On fastfetch, the GPU is listed as llvmpipe, which seems to indicate software rendering. That might be why classicube refused to run. I saw that on both your Powermac and iMac
Which is kind of odd, given they have ATI/AMD graphics cards, that should in theory have completly open source drives in the mainline kernel. Could at least be potentially fixable. Might also explain why more advanced sessions like KDE and the likes failed as well. Something is definitively screwy in the graphics stack there.
@@autarchprinceps Linux GPU drivers in the kernel are just interfaces between the hardware and the API to userspace, the Mesa library includes the actual drivers that generate code for the GPU to run. Mesa dropped support for the old AMD drivers(Pre-Terascale) into the Mesa Amber branch.
Another modern Linux distribution that supports almost every CPU architecture the sun is T2 SDE Linux. You should try it out some day, if you can understand it.
I would love to see a port of Haiku OS for PPC and PPC64 in the future. From what I know, there was PPC support in BeOS. We could revive machines like the old BeBox with it
Some of the problems might be related to the fact they're all running off llvmpipe(software rendering), except the one running off the live image(?!), rather than the proper graphics. Some packages responsible for the graphic drives might have been missing from the installation but were available on the live image
@@zarkeh3013 Wider hardware support mostly, you normally want a single image to run on as many devices as possible so you include as many drivers as possible, graphics, networking, input devices, etc. But when installing to a machine you just need a few of them, like a desktop machine with a wired network connection doesn't need any wireless drivers nor any trackpad ones. Not including something required is probably an issue in installer's auto detection of the needed packages
"Fun Linux Problems" on G4's nearly always are ATI related.... the disk issue I cant fathom out.... I'll try fiddling with my Ali 17'' G4 and report back. May the farce be with you!
The ATi cards are fine. They're not the problem. The problem is that in the Linux kernel and in Mesa a lot of stuff isn't really maintained, especially as the migration to dri2 left a bunch of older graphics cards in the dumpster fire of history. We're actually trying to get Rage support back, so that early G3s and the like are viable; but there's also a number of weird issues that come with having been the Correct architecture instead of simply the Popular architecture ;) I for one would love to see, by the way, an Intel Arc GPU on a Quad G5 or similar POWER machine (maybe a Talos II?) for the absolute shitpost.
I was there when Adelie was a thing for the first time, way before any sort of graphical installers where we compiled everything from tty, it was so based and it worked pretty well, I daily drove it for a bit, but unfortunately, I couldn't do pulseaudio on it at the time, which posed issue with some of the software that I used
Ah, so the Adelie Linux PPC experience continues. At some point I'll pull out my PowerMac G5 and try again, but I think I'll wait a while longer! Great video as always!
I remember when my work got a new G4 with that monitor.. I always loved it. It looked SO cool and so advanced -- especially for the time! It was WAY out of my price range -- I was still rockin' my AMD64 with XP and a CRT at home. I remember wanting that whole setup *so* bad. Excellent video as always!
Man; how long has PCBWay been a sponsor?? You guys are practically synonymous with each other to the point when you have a different sponsor I’m like “Wait, who??”
I love Ti books more than most people, but a tank? They are without a doubt the most fragile laptop design I’ve ever used. Never had one that didn’t crack, break or fail under normal use
I have a G5 quad running Sorbet Leopard (found that thanks to you) and I’m thinking about dual booting this to get a bit more longevity out of the quad beast. Thanks for another great video!
@@JimmyDoresHairDye Linux and nvidia have never worked together, finding drivers will be pretty much impossible, especially on the much more niche powerpc proscessor.
It's great that the Mate desktop environment is the one that works. Because that's the low-end one, that runs well on low-spec computers and old PCs. So that's perfect! Now When will we boot a PowerPC distro on a Wii!
This is a good video to cleanse my heart. TH-cam just recommended me a video where a guy shreds a Powermac G3 for its gold content. Seeing that title and thumbnail put me in a bad mood...
Segmentation fault might have to do with the GPU. Browser trying to tap into VRAM and not finding any. It's a memory allocation error. So, GPU error seems my first guess...
I'd be interested to know what dmesg has to say about the hard drive issue. The ATI/PCI issues are normal. I've had those with every Mac to some degree, but the HD thing is very odd.
As long as hobbyist developers continue supporting PowerPCs it won't be dead on Linux. Problem is that it's kind of lacking in that department if I recall correctly. Would prefer if AmigaOS was opensourced instead for PowerPCs personally.
It is remarkable that any of this even boots, installs, or whatnot... It is just such a small passion project for weirdos like us. I was sad to see the G5 couldn't do something with it, that would have been amazing considering all these years.
You know what would be fun? RISC-V boards to fit into old Apple cases and keep those old Macs alive that way. RISC-V in a Mac mini chassis would be pretty bad-ass, especially with the drive options it would allow you. Pity there would not be much of a market for it.
@@ericwood3709 I doubt the mobo or psu or anything else in the case would be unusable. You're killing and throwing out parts for people who want to preserve the machines as is. Go buy your meme case on ali or 3d print it. Stop breaking something just to make a pc you'll never touch.
I want to add new electronics to old 17” MacBook Pros. Such beautiful screens and keyboards but too slow now and borderline RAM. A new CPU, RAM, and SSD would be amazing.
Thanks for the update, Sean. I couldn’t get Beta5 to install on ppc 32 bit even with manual installs, and it appears Beta6 is no better. Guess I’ll continue to stick with Gentoo!
I'd bet money that graphics drivers or lack there of are the primary reason for most of the non disk related issues. You might try replacing the mesa package with the mesa-amber version or for the G5 installing a graphics card that's supported by the version of mesa included with Adelie (24.3.0-r0).
Don't need to have linux to download and burn to CD. Just download the ISO file you want, then download and install imgburn (free), or, I think windows 10? can now burn it directly to a CD, see below, I 've not tried, it, I use imgburn. You can NOT just normally burn the ISO as a file to the CD, it has to be burned as an image. To burn an ISO file to a CD in Windows 10, insert a blank CD into your drive, right-click the ISO file, select "Burn disc image," choose the correct burner, and click "Burn." The process will create a copy of the ISO on the CD, making it usable for installation or other purposes.
@@JimmyDoresHairDye That's tough. Don't know if PowerPC Macs will boot from a usb drive but if so, you can use Rufus under windows to image the iso to a usb drive, then boot from that.
I have Debian 8 (I think the last major distro w/ PPC support) on my G4 Mac mini and never tried any of the newer ‘experimental’ options. I wonder why the Open Firmware boot fix is needed when older major distros didn’t???
Haiku has been in development for like 25 years and it still does not even have hardware accelerated graphics. Obscure stuff just doesn't have a chance in software development.
Love your video's dude! i was wondering, what software do you use to burn the Linux image files to a CD/DVD burnable? i've been getting errors left and right trying to install linux on a 2004 EMAC, and the stack of burnables is running dry as is!
Last time i tried to install a linux on my G5, the windfarm drivers were so rubbish that either it was a noisy mess, or it limited the cpu clock so that the fans never needed to spin up. Have they sorted that?
Would a MacBook Air 2020 (intel) support Ubuntu or amyorher distro? And if I get the RAM and SSD upgraded would it still work? I know it's not upgradable. But technically the SSD and RAM be replaced by soldering on new chips.
Do you not have any Mac mini G4s to toy around with for projects like this? I love them. Minis of all generations are so useful, especially for the size.
The error messages popping up in the console when ArcticFox crashes seem to point missing Firefox Weave support code in the pure-JS Promises implementation. I'm guessing whichever source code was used for that build hadn't been fully tested for removed Firefox Weave support.
Fault segmentations normally deal with memory issues. So either Firefox couldn't load the google completely in to memory, or more than likely the memory paging routines in Adelie , Firefox, or Both still have paging issues for loading stuff in and out of memory. Sure hope the resolve it though.It looks like a really good project to keep PPC hardware out of landfills. :)
You installed the wrong version of Mesa, Mesa Amber is for very old GPUs like the ones in PowerPC macs. Mesa dropped support for the old pre-HD2000 GPUs a few years ago so you have to install Mesa Amber to run ancient GPUs now.
Does it finally support the Radeon 128 video card? (Blue and White G3 tower with newer chip that initially was a problem in the first ones.) Obviously it is still beta, so a few crashes are to be expected.
With how much you enjoy ClassicCube I do wonder what you'd think of Luanti (formerly Minetest). Open source Minecraft-esque game engine with Lua scripting.
I managed to re-install the original Mac OS onto a PowerBook G4 laptop. Haven't tried Adélie (French: pronounced AH-day-lee) on it yet, but might. Won't load most sites anyways as it is far outdated for updates.
There is 0.00% chance you are not pronouncing MATE and Ma-te while saying ad-a-lee whilst the E literally has the accent. There is no way that isn't a troll. Well done, I hope.
I've had that same hard disk configuration fail on G4 on all revisions so far. Two different computers, two different drives in each. Manual and GUI install - it just doesn't want to do it for me 😞
I've been genuinely surprised both times that the wheel of SSDs didn't fall apart when spun.
the wheel is simple mechanism, its more difficult with the reading head...
it's not a deskstar, that's why
He’s so aggressive with the spin
It's held together with pure jank.
it's a power pc wheel, holding on for dear life.
On fastfetch, the GPU is listed as llvmpipe, which seems to indicate software rendering. That might be why classicube refused to run. I saw that on both your Powermac and iMac
Yep, my gut was saying no hardware acceleration as an issue
Which is kind of odd, given they have ATI/AMD graphics cards, that should in theory have completly open source drives in the mainline kernel. Could at least be potentially fixable. Might also explain why more advanced sessions like KDE and the likes failed as well. Something is definitively screwy in the graphics stack there.
@@autarchprinceps The drivers might not be enabled, and the drivers might make endianness-assumptions
@@sundhaug92 I don't think they do, one might just need to install mesa
@@autarchprinceps Linux GPU drivers in the kernel are just interfaces between the hardware and the API to userspace, the Mesa library includes the actual drivers that generate code for the GPU to run. Mesa dropped support for the old AMD drivers(Pre-Terascale) into the Mesa Amber branch.
Linux on PowerPC is dead I think, now let me take a long sip of water and open up TH-cam
For the record, Gentoo Linux has supported Linux on PowerPC for over 20 years.
@@terrydaktyllus1320And they probably will until Gen Alpha takes over and it becomes irrelevant, a moment which I fear, so, so much…
Wheel of SSDs fucking killed me. I actually can't breathe. I thought one was gonna fall off
Another modern Linux distribution that supports almost every CPU architecture the sun is T2 SDE Linux. You should try it out some day, if you can understand it.
least xenia-pilled linux user
I would love to see a port of Haiku OS for PPC and PPC64 in the future. From what I know, there was PPC support in BeOS. We could revive machines like the old BeBox with it
The project maintainers have said it is in their list of goals - it's just too niche right now, they want to get it running on x86 first
Wheel of SSD's is the most Druaga1 thing I've ever seen 🤣 love it shaun !
i miss my smoker
Fellow Philadelphian here... I appreciated hearing "wooder cooled"!!
I still have PTSD running Linux on PS3 and it breaking as PPC support went out the window on Ubuntu 😂
Some of the problems might be related to the fact they're all running off llvmpipe(software rendering), except the one running off the live image(?!), rather than the proper graphics. Some packages responsible for the graphic drives might have been missing from the installation but were available on the live image
I never understood why a live environment has packages the installation doesn't.
@@zarkeh3013 Wider hardware support mostly, you normally want a single image to run on as many devices as possible so you include as many drivers as possible, graphics, networking, input devices, etc. But when installing to a machine you just need a few of them, like a desktop machine with a wired network connection doesn't need any wireless drivers nor any trackpad ones. Not including something required is probably an issue in installer's auto detection of the needed packages
"Fun Linux Problems" on G4's nearly always are ATI related.... the disk issue I cant fathom out.... I'll try fiddling with my Ali 17'' G4 and report back. May the farce be with you!
It's almost like ATI cards are shite.
ATI (before AMD bought them) was actually worse than nv, the Nvidia Linux driver at the time.
The ATi cards are fine. They're not the problem.
The problem is that in the Linux kernel and in Mesa a lot of stuff isn't really maintained, especially as the migration to dri2 left a bunch of older graphics cards in the dumpster fire of history.
We're actually trying to get Rage support back, so that early G3s and the like are viable; but there's also a number of weird issues that come with having been the Correct architecture instead of simply the Popular architecture ;)
I for one would love to see, by the way, an Intel Arc GPU on a Quad G5 or similar POWER machine (maybe a Talos II?) for the absolute shitpost.
I was there when Adelie was a thing for the first time, way before any sort of graphical installers where we compiled everything from tty, it was so based and it worked pretty well, I daily drove it for a bit, but unfortunately, I couldn't do pulseaudio on it at the time, which posed issue with some of the software that I used
Ah, so the Adelie Linux PPC experience continues. At some point I'll pull out my PowerMac G5 and try again, but I think I'll wait a while longer! Great video as always!
I remember when my work got a new G4 with that monitor.. I always loved it. It looked SO cool and so advanced -- especially for the time! It was WAY out of my price range -- I was still rockin' my AMD64 with XP and a CRT at home. I remember wanting that whole setup *so* bad. Excellent video as always!
When are you going to compile Gentoo on one of these beasts. Shenanigans is guaranteed.
Man; how long has PCBWay been a sponsor?? You guys are practically synonymous with each other to the point when you have a different sponsor I’m like “Wait, who??”
I'm enjoying these totally normal Linux on PPC shenanigans.
Also, I completely miss my Titanium PowerBook. That thing was a freaking TANK.
I love Ti books more than most people, but a tank? They are without a doubt the most fragile laptop design I’ve ever used. Never had one that didn’t crack, break or fail under normal use
@ heh. Mine kept just trucking on.
I have a G5 quad running Sorbet Leopard (found that thanks to you) and I’m thinking about dual booting this to get a bit more longevity out of the quad beast.
Thanks for another great video!
ditch the nvidia gpu though in linux at least
@@amdintelxsniperx Why is that?
@@JimmyDoresHairDye Linux and nvidia have never worked together, finding drivers will be pretty much impossible, especially on the much more niche powerpc proscessor.
@@oscartrim-wilson I appreciate the info. Thank you.
Love the fact that the wheel of SSDs is a spinning disk.
Even if Linux drops support for big-endian PowerPC, at least NetBSD and OpenBSD still support it!
Wheel of SSDs,
Turn, turn, turn.
Give us the storage
Of least concern.
The Wheel of SSDs is such a stupid idea, but it's so funny
as long as there is a bored nerd it will never die
I appreciate the jankness that is the wheel of SSDs
It's great that the Mate desktop environment is the one that works. Because that's the low-end one, that runs well on low-spec computers and old PCs. So that's perfect!
Now
When will we boot a PowerPC distro on a Wii!
NetBSD works on the Wii
druaga1 would be proud of your SSD choosing method
my favorite channel
The built in VGA graphics GPU is at fault for most of your crashes. The old ide controller would be the other for the 32bit systems
Great Channel ! I love action retro
This is a good video to cleanse my heart. TH-cam just recommended me a video where a guy shreds a Powermac G3 for its gold content. Seeing that title and thumbnail put me in a bad mood...
id legit go off if i could get my hands on a g5 quad
Segmentation fault might have to do with the GPU. Browser trying to tap into VRAM and not finding any. It's a memory allocation error. So, GPU error seems my first guess...
always nice when these older units still get love, sad when less and less distros support older hardware.
I respect your use of comic sans. Xoxo keep up the good work. Love your videos.
Why is there no GPU acceleration??
Feliz navidad y feliz año nuevo para todos!!!🎉
I'd be interested to know what dmesg has to say about the hard drive issue. The ATI/PCI issues are normal. I've had those with every Mac to some degree, but the HD thing is very odd.
As long as hobbyist developers continue supporting PowerPCs it won't be dead on Linux. Problem is that it's kind of lacking in that department if I recall correctly. Would prefer if AmigaOS was opensourced instead for PowerPCs personally.
It is remarkable that any of this even boots, installs, or whatnot... It is just such a small passion project for weirdos like us. I was sad to see the G5 couldn't do something with it, that would have been amazing considering all these years.
You know what would be fun? RISC-V boards to fit into old Apple cases and keep those old Macs alive that way. RISC-V in a Mac mini chassis would be pretty bad-ass, especially with the drive options it would allow you. Pity there would not be much of a market for it.
Please stop butchering computers
@@somacruz8272 One could always reuse cases from computers that have failed.
@@ericwood3709 I doubt the mobo or psu or anything else in the case would be unusable. You're killing and throwing out parts for people who want to preserve the machines as is. Go buy your meme case on ali or 3d print it. Stop breaking something just to make a pc you'll never touch.
@@somacruz8272I think you may be on the wrong channel
I want to add new electronics to old 17” MacBook Pros. Such beautiful screens and keyboards but too slow now and borderline RAM. A new CPU, RAM, and SSD would be amazing.
ALRIGHT WII U TIME TO INSTALL LINUX :D
Do you guys recommend I run my 2019 iMac, which has a slooooow HD, from an external NVMe in a casing using Thunderbolt 3?
Thanks for the update, Sean. I couldn’t get Beta5 to install on ppc 32 bit even with manual installs, and it appears Beta6 is no better. Guess I’ll continue to stick with Gentoo!
same here - i have several G4s and none will do it... always fail on the hard drive configuration
Dude I love your videos! But...I miss your evil twin who used to show up and look disapprovingly at you.
Sean is so used to using G3s that he called the 970 a 750 haha
Linux on PowerPC still works! And not everything crashed.
Love them shenanigans
The Wheel of Jank is fantastic.
I'd bet money that graphics drivers or lack there of are the primary reason for most of the non disk related issues. You might try replacing the mesa package with the mesa-amber version or for the G5 installing a graphics card that's supported by the version of mesa included with Adelie (24.3.0-r0).
I had the first TI powerbook G4. that a great Mac!
It's finally the year of the PowerPC desktop.
Open BSD has great power PC support
BSD 😂
Here is the door 🚪
Get out of here
that's good, FreeBSD just abandoned support and never had Bluetooth or Wifi support
OpenBSD being an Operating System that has literally nothing on it out of the box and requires hours of setup on just to Google something
I seem to remember he already did a PPC OpenBSD video
@@megatronskneecap That's not true at all. OpenBSD's installer is a series of simple questions and you can just use defaults for almost all of them
Do you have any interest in another Mac G5? If so, let me know. :)
Could you do an install walkthrough for someone without a burner or a preexisting install of Linux on their computer?
Don't need to have linux to download and burn to CD. Just download the ISO file you want, then download and install imgburn (free), or, I think windows 10? can now burn it directly to a CD, see below, I 've not tried, it, I use imgburn. You can NOT just normally burn the ISO as a file to the CD, it has to be burned as an image.
To burn an ISO file to a CD in Windows 10, insert a blank CD into your drive, right-click the ISO file, select "Burn disc image," choose the correct burner, and click "Burn." The process will create a copy of the ISO on the CD, making it usable for installation or other purposes.
@@richardwernst Thank you. Unfortunately none of my computers have a working burner.
@@JimmyDoresHairDye That's tough. Don't know if PowerPC Macs will boot from a usb drive but if so, you can use Rufus under windows to image the iso to a usb drive, then boot from that.
With Pantheon desktop would be cherry on top.
Now try compiling Gentoo-prefix in Adélie 🤓
It works pretty well, actually.
I wonder how NetBSD works on these computers
NetBSD and OpenBSD work just fine on my iBook G4
Yet another PowerPC amazing video
Hey ActionRetro, can you install Hannah Montana Linux on a 2010 Macbook Air?
Check out T2 Linux. It runs on everything.
Time to check out the Pegasos 1 and 2 :) Even the Efika 5200 :)
hmm i have a few PowerPC Macs around, i might try this out myself!
Happy christmas
I installed Yellow Dog Linux on Power PC years ago. Try yellow dog Linux
He already did, the support for YDL was dropped in 2012 or 2013 if I remember
always forget that linux still actually exists for PPC
Linux still exists for m68k.
Well this is it. Linux on G5 Mac is gonna be the last to ringing in for the best.
So When will we see Haiku for PowerPC?
I have Debian 8 (I think the last major distro w/ PPC support) on my G4 Mac mini and never tried any of the newer ‘experimental’ options. I wonder why the Open Firmware boot fix is needed when older major distros didn’t???
its 2025 soon and no one can make a stable linux build for ppc . everyone should pool together and make a good build
Haiku has been in development for like 25 years and it still does not even have hardware accelerated graphics.
Obscure stuff just doesn't have a chance in software development.
Love your video's dude! i was wondering, what software do you use to burn the Linux image files to a CD/DVD burnable? i've been getting errors left and right trying to install linux on a 2004 EMAC, and the stack of burnables is running dry as is!
Last time i tried to install a linux on my G5, the windfarm drivers were so rubbish that either it was a noisy mess, or it limited the cpu clock so that the fans never needed to spin up. Have they sorted that?
Would a MacBook Air 2020 (intel) support Ubuntu or amyorher distro? And if I get the RAM and SSD upgraded would it still work?
I know it's not upgradable. But technically the SSD and RAM be replaced by soldering on new chips.
There are also AntiX, Slax, Q4OS, and Debian releases that you can check out. Still wished I have kept that eMac running YellowDog Linux.
Do you not have any Mac mini G4s to toy around with for projects like this? I love them. Minis of all generations are so useful, especially for the size.
What is a segmentation fault?
My Battletech-addled mind gave me a very different mental image when talking about Linux running on a PPC.
The error messages popping up in the console when ArcticFox crashes seem to point missing Firefox Weave support code in the pure-JS Promises implementation. I'm guessing whichever source code was used for that build hadn't been fully tested for removed Firefox Weave support.
Hmmm i think I've done 5 pcbway reads now and no swag...
Fault segmentations normally deal with memory issues. So either Firefox couldn't load the google completely in to memory, or more than likely the memory paging routines in Adelie , Firefox, or Both still have paging issues for loading stuff in and out of memory. Sure hope the resolve it though.It looks like a really good project to keep PPC hardware out of landfills. :)
You installed the wrong version of Mesa, Mesa Amber is for very old GPUs like the ones in PowerPC macs. Mesa dropped support for the old pre-HD2000 GPUs a few years ago so you have to install Mesa Amber to run ancient GPUs now.
I’m trying this tonight - my PowerMac G5has sat there cold and alone for far too long
Install gentoo or m2
Does it finally support the Radeon 128 video card? (Blue and White G3 tower with newer chip that initially was a problem in the first ones.) Obviously it is still beta, so a few crashes are to be expected.
on both 64bit machines, it was using the software llvmpipe as gpu, maybe that was the problem. can the g5 support some ATI gpus?
FireWire SSD adelie Linux boot drive?
Personally I would use instead original OS from its period of time with software from that years while add as much as possible RAM to computer.
With how much you enjoy ClassicCube I do wonder what you'd think of Luanti (formerly Minetest). Open source Minecraft-esque game engine with Lua scripting.
you might need an earlier kernel for better old hardware support. 5.15 i believe is the cutoff for quite alot of older stuff ..
To make the Wheel of SSDs really showbiz, shouldn't you be wearing a swimming costume when you operate it?
A PowerMac G5, nice
what about t2 linux?
Is this just for Mac PowerPCs, or will it run on other things? I think the xBox360 and Wii are both PowerPC based...
They are, but that doesn't mean they can run Linux. NetBSD does run on the Wii however
Oh! I guess the Firefox Start Page’s JS code crashes just like Google does in both browsers. But the Arctic Fox start page is still the old version.
I love that you’re getting your moneys worth out of the garbage wheel of SSDs 😂
I managed to re-install the original Mac OS onto a PowerBook G4 laptop. Haven't tried Adélie (French: pronounced AH-day-lee) on it yet, but might. Won't load most sites anyways as it is far outdated for updates.
My eMac G4 smokes with delight
Funny how, once, Google was preferred because it was simpler than the others.
Did you try the mobile Google page, Sean?
There is 0.00% chance you are not pronouncing MATE and Ma-te while saying ad-a-lee whilst the E literally has the accent. There is no way that isn't a troll. Well done, I hope.
"POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!!"
Edit
Google probably crashes them becouse of the data collection bs
I've had that same hard disk configuration fail on G4 on all revisions so far. Two different computers, two different drives in each. Manual and GUI install - it just doesn't want to do it for me 😞
Needs to be a special SSD that runs its own trim command, as these systems don't support it. Something like that