About 40 years ago my father in law had a large amount of cash. He was partially disabled so had my daughter climb up into his attic and stash it. A couple of her cousins were present at the time. When he sent her up to retrieve it, it was gone. When more than one person knows something, it's no longer a secret.
As Fox Mulder of X-files said "Trust no one". 40 years ago is one thing. Today?? You tell ONE person, might as well as leased a billboard stating "Hey, I have gold and here's where to find it, and here's the dates and times I won't be home!"
That was dumb to have all those people around and to trust someone like that to stash it in his house. He would have been better off keeping it in a bank or credit union.
The saying “loose lips sinks ships” is still appropriate today as it was during WW2. No one can steal from you if they don’t know about it. Thanks for the video 2is1.
The problem with loose lips is that they tend to belong to loved ones who don't have an appreciation for the risk associated with having a large cache at home. That's why I prefer a Depository. Yes, the amount they buy silver eagles for is less than what others are paying on eBay, but the peace of mind is priceless. And that brings to mind the fact that when the SHTF, getting any price online is liable to be a non issue. Of course, if that's the case, then you run the real risk of getting robbed on the way home from the Depository. Again, when the SHTF, getting ANYTHING shipped is liable to be a non starter (ie. Covid, when the whole world came to a stop). It's enough to keep someone needlessly worrying. Therefore, spreading it around at home and amongst different locations makes the most sense to me. JMHO
@@barbaradimascio4623 Exactly. However you can hide it very well not likely to be found at a random burglary. But that of course come with the risk that should you die and no one else knows anything about then your relatives don't get any benefit from it and it sits there till the house is demolished or something needs to be rebuild and then the new owners get a true treasure.
@@MoonShadowsFarm If some one knows you have gold they will find it regardless. Burying it in the backyad protects against robbers who don't know you have it and protects it from the elements and house fires.
I have been robbed in the past. It was by someone who was in my house, and was jealous of my stuff. I have a home that is somewhat ordinary looking from the street, but it is nicely upgraded inside. It is filled with high-end art, furnishings, etc. Once this person was in my home, he learned of the nice things inside, and he decided it was worth the risk to steal it. It leaves a scar, to be a victim. It is very hard for me to want nice things in my home, as the envy from others puts honest people at risk. My point is this. $100,000 is very safe in your home if you do not tell anyone about it. Keep it out of sight. Do not advertise your wealth,. Oh, another thing, police can care less about helping a rich person reclaim their stolen items. The officer that I spoke with hated rich people, and said that anyone who can afford to own nice things, can afford to have them stolen.
It depends on who knows about it. If it's in a safe that's discretely located in the home and you don't brag about it, then it's probably safer than paper gold or vaulted gold if there's a SHTF scenario.
I installed a TL 15 minute Gun safe, bolted to floor, Rino brand… USA made. Fire rated for 45 minutes. I expect an expert could crack it open 10 minutes…. Mostly for fire protection. Will keep un-professional thieves out of my tiny 4 ounces of gold. And I got a noisy dog!
I had a friend of mine about 10 years ago that was murdered along with his wife and stepson the wife survived long enough to tell the police who did it. They were slashed to death left to bleed to death on the floor of their own home. It all started when Bill started bragging about the amount of gold coins that he had in a safe in his office. He owned a house moving company and his employees knew that he had a lot of gold in that safe. One evening about 9:00 one of his employees paid him a visit told him he needed to discuss something with him that was very important. Bill invited him into his office the man pulled a knife told Bill to open the safe bill did not open the safe he was stabbed to death multiple times, that's when his son come walking in and he was also stabbed multiple times Bill's wife was upstairs had no idea what was going on but heard a noise and went downstairs and they cut her pretty badly and left her to die. Turns out there were four of them that targeted there place. They took the entire safe and drove about 30 miles away to a remote location. The safe was found the next day but there was nothing in it. Bill's wife survived long enough in the hospital to give the police the names of all four a robbed and took their life. I consider her a hero she held on just long enough and now all four of those men their former employees have been locked up and will remain locked up for life. Very very sad story. None of this would have had to happen if Bill would have kept his gold in a safety deposit box or some other means that wouldn't be just sitting there. A safe that is visible is about the worst place you can keep anything valuable. The safe tells the thief exactly where the valuables are and some are willing to go to any length to get it. My dad always said keep your money in the bank. I know now that he was correct or at least keep it somewhere where it's not visible.
A safe is also a good distraction…especially if bolted down WELL. Even leave some "snacks" in it. So if they get into it they will feel like they scored.
Great topic and great vid. Another way to think about this topic would be to put it in terms of time. When you purchase a safe, you are purchasing time. Therefore, if you can buy a nicer safe, or hide the safe, this equals more time. Anything that can be done to slow someone down gives you the benefit.
In all seriousness, even if a private vault were right next door, there is still counter-party risk, whether it be vault-owner related or more likely, government ordered confiscation during a “vault holiday”.
2 is 1 and 1 is none. When 2 people know where your stash is there is one chance of losing it to thieves... when 1 person (yourself) knows where your stash is there is no chance of losing it
Suggestion: Live in the hood. Home burglaries are near zero for a reason. Bars on windows, double layered security doors, everyone has a gun and nobody thinks you have anything worth stealing
ALL safes commonly available can be broken into. The rating of a safe is based upon how long it would take for a person to pry it open with the tools available on scene.
Just ordered a TL-30x6 yesterday. Good rule of thumb for safes is how much you plan to store should dictate how much you spend. If you plan on 50k of "stuff" then you need to look at a proper safe that can be insured for that amount, check with your insurance to see what is required to meet their requirements for insurance. Spent 3 months shopping and researching but it is necessary to understand all the details of a proper safe. Of course don't tell anyone.
Years ago, I had a neighbor who took out special insurance on some valuables she had. A week later her home was broken into and the valuables stolen. It was never proven that the insurance company leaked information but, you know...hmmm.
It’s quite fun looking at safes and finding out about the different ratings,like TL and TRTL and what not,kinda like buying diamonds,it’s fun when you know what all the numbers mean. I have a cool antique safe that’s the size of a dishwasher but it weighs 2000 pounds so I’m not worried about anyone hauling it out.
1. You are Not a Dummy 2. I appreciate all you are willing to share. You were the first PM TH-camr I subscribed to. Never miss an episode. PS. TY for the sticker a couple years back. It’s on my safe!
When insulating my attic, I found a tiny "room" where my furnace exhaust goes from the basement to the roof. I don't have anything currently in there because it's difficult to access but over the years I've kept things I didn't want found in there. In my youth, I kept my "stash" in the shower curtain rod. It flexed enough to easily remove and I had privacy when accessing my things.
Suggestion: By a used safe that is fairly difficult to open. Fill it with concrete so it weighs 200+ pounds and permanently seal the door shut. Chances are a thief will struggle to remove it and leave the premises with a smile on his face. Option: Add a tracking device so the police will be able to find him.
A typical jewelry safe - especially those from actual jewelry stores - maybe about 2 feet high - can make a nice end table - putting a table cloth over it and putting stuff on it like all other tables, makes it look like everything else in your house and draws little to no attention...but not letting anyone know what you have and certainly where you have it is still the best way to keep your stuff safe.
At my location I built a 15x10 vault. Solid filled concrete cinder block walls, and a concrete ceiling with a vault door, and inside of it a safe. It’s not impenetrable, but it keeps people honest.
Hiding spots are awesome .might take time but behind finished sheetrock . Expecting to keep it there for years and years unless you want an exoensive repair to add behind insulation bolted to interior wall up high... brick outer foundation
Remember the FBI raided a vault service, ignored the warrant and took all the innocent gold, jewels etc. People are suing them for return, but that is very expensive. Never use an off site storage facility.
A good option is a floor safe. This is recessed under the flooring and done right it is very difficult to discern the access point from anywhere else on the floor.
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@@2is1gold you're welcome! I will admit that I have purchased 11 Tri ounces of gold since I've been watching your videos, what do you think about Scottsdale goldbars?
Great point on not hiding it in electrical boxes or paint cans, because you're absolutely right, somebody will throw them away or an electrician will go into the box. Same thing with hiding them at a family members house. If they hire a contractor for some reason, they might find your stash :)
The only issue is access. You can only get in it when the bank allows you to. The claims that you cannot store gold or cash in safety deposit boxes is not true. There is no federal law banning that, though a bank can make rules on what you are allowed to store in their vault.
My best friend had a contractor pour a 12x12 concrete slab in his backyard. Nothing notable to him, just a small job. Then he installed a Rubbermaid shed and cut a hole in the floor. The dugout area underneath is 6x6x6 with another layer of concrete on the floor and timber walls. He stacks metal in sealed 5 gallon buckets. When the floor is in place and the mower, pressure washer, etc are in there it looks just like any other shed.
Thank you, this is valuable info! 👍🏻 Years ago, there was a pseudo documentary series called “It Takes A Thief” wherein 2 reformed burglars would scope a house, then get the homeowners’ permission to “break in” after the cameras had been set up to film the carnage. It was terrifying to see what pro thieves could grab in under 10 minutes. On another note, I am bemused at comments from gun owners who are determined to protect their safes. This plan only works if you live alone! 😱 If you have a spouse or child threatened by a thug with a gun or knife, you are gonna open that safe. Much to be considered here! I think your “layers” concept is on-point for best security.
One of the things I learnt fairly early on was that buying coins is essentially collecting, and you like having your collections close to you because they are pretty, shiny and you want to play with them and cuddle, and lick... I prefer bars... They are plain, ugly... they are what they are, nothing more nothing less. They are cheap and there is absolutely no emotional attachment to them. You are then happy to keep the "investment" in a vault. I live in Australia and my preference is the Singapore Freeport. Away from government jurisdiction.
ps those walmart safes are awesome diversions lol I keep one in every closet with some fun fakes coins and fake cash inside with a note to the thief :) Its funny to me to think they will break their back hauling them off only to find my surprises inside later...Im almost sad I havent been robbed yet lmao
The problem with glass break detection is over sensitivity. A storm with rain and winds could set it off. Any vibration like someone knocking on the window or bouncing a tennis ball off it sets off the alarm. So the window doesn't have to break to set off the alarm.
What gold and silver? I lost mine years ago in that unfortunate boating accident! Good vid. And I hope no one’s actually using those “book safes.” The worst mistake we can make is assuming thieves don’t educate themselves on hidden storage methods.
That reminds me of Black Bush Skit. “What is it that people say you invaded the Middle East for oil? Huh? What? Who said anything about oil? Bitch. You cookin’”
I've wanted to do this video. Glad you did it first. I'm off the hook. It is comforting to know that no matter what or when, you can see what's going on inside and outside the home. I'm the same way and get those push notifications - and while it does have its limitations, whether hardwired or wireless, cameras are certainly better than nothing. Dogs? Even better. I appreciate the common-sense approach to security rather than the neanderthal, knuckle-dragging "I'd pump him full of lead" type testosterone comments from people who have likely never been on the barrel side of a firearm yet alone trained correctly to prepare for such a situation.
Absolutely. Nobody should want to be tested in that situation and most would fail. There’s plenty of practical layers anyone can add without getting into cowboy territory. Cheers, Vert!
BTW: Be sure to protect you "SAFE" from fire by using a water buffer designed to boil off in the event of a fire. Water boils at 100 degrees C and anything inside of a safe protected by that fact of physics (including paper) should be fine. In many metal safes - this can be as simple as a 12-40 oz beverage can sized container of water with a wax plug sealing a small hole in the top of the can. When temperatures in the safe exceed the wax's melting point - the seal will disintegrate allowing the water to boil when it reaches 100C. The inside of the safe will remain at 100C as long as the can contains boiling water. In many fires - this will be long enough to protect the innards of the safe as the structure around it burns away. Paper kindles at 230 degrees C so keeping the safe at 100C by using boiling water as a "refrigerant" makes complete sense.
I’m not sure if I have mentioned this on your channel but I have had several safes in my day and a couple years ago I bought a custom safe from a company called sturdy safe. I found that they offered the most steel for the money! I was blown away at how well made their safes are! If anyone is looking, check them out. 🤠
Good advice. I am more than average interested in safes and have done a lot of research into every aspect of what makes a safe safe. Sturdy ticks off most of the boxes of what a safe should be, at least if you are considering the price. If money is no option, look into Graffunder. A TL15 rating is also a good minimum level to be considered a true safe. Sturdy's are not TL-rated, but they would with no doubt pass the test if they tried. Sadly a lot of people are douped by boxstore "safes" with shiny paint and huge locking bolts, but in reality they only get a tin can with a strong looking door.
If you are worried about protecting your gold and silver, why not insure it too. I have bought fairly reasonable insurance. It costs me $350/yr for every $100K. It also includes collector coins and even covers losses due to fire or water damage but you must maintain a precise inventory and purchase receipts are always good to prove ownership.
Uncle got 100 year old safe for $150 not yet in use. Holy smokes no one makes them like that anymore. Four feet tall and takes two large men to move it on steel wheels! Mechanism and tolerances are like a Swiss watch. Will be built into a concrete wall.
Have any of you heard the story from Southern California, where a vault company was raided by cops and all the boxes contents taken. Many people never got their items back. These people paid monthly to ultimately have their things stolen.
I can well appreciate you hesitations discussing this topic, which is one I’ve given much thought to. Your ideas and thoughts in this video are good and well thought-out. Thank you.
Always find your videos interesting and informative. I know it’s a uncomfortable topic to be talking about on the Internet, I feel it is a very important one I appreciate your braveryThank you so much God bless you and yours.
Storage services are a tall hurdle. I’m sure they are honest and trustworthy. I simply can’t be sure the service will always be in control of the their own situation if things went south in their region. It’s a mental issue….for me. I realize things could go south in *my* region. But, being the basket case that I am, I prefer to go down with my own ship. I may even go down while they remain afloat. However, peace of mind works better for me when I feel I have more control and access than the services allow. To each his own though. C’est la vie. Statistically, they are very safe.
Yep, if you’re more comfortable keeping them in your personal domain, that’s the way to go. I like a split, but it took me a while to get there. Cheers!
@@2is1gold splitting the baskets sounds rational. Maybe my faith will grow with time as well if the current madness ever retreats. Would definitely take baby steps toward an eventual split. Another option, at my age, is to begin familial distribution, as that is the ultimate destination anyway.
I live in europe and I have little bit different perspective. I'm going to store part of my gold in swiss bank storage. This is cost ca. 200usd per year.
I know telling “good guys” about your stashes is not a great idea, but having a note locked up somewhere with the stashes listed would not be a bad thing. One day you may up and croak and your family has to go on an Easter egg hunt of the century to hopefully find it all 🙂 In my grandfathers case, he got too old to remember where everything was as we were moving them to downsize homes. I was finding $100’s in old boots headed for the dump and 10oz silver bars and rounds up in the attic. Like to think we got it all but I have a feeling the new owners have a few free gifts stashed in the walls of that house….
You just get a very thick safe and you bolt it to the floor in a good hiding space like under the stairs or in the wall or in corner of closet somewhere.
Don’t put all your apples in one place. The top of the kitchen shelves is a great spot if layed flat on top. Under your kitchen cabinets behind the baseboards. Under you attic insulation. Stainless steel silverware? Why not real silverware? Most people use stainless steel, they’d never think the silverware drawer could be holding a small fortune. A little here and a little there. You don’t want it all in your safe. Personally, mine isn’t in any of those places. Another idea is to purchase fake bars, and they make some pretty realistic ones that are very cheap. Even your ventilation. Let the thief think he hit the jackpot by finding your stash of fake metals. He’ll gather it up thinking he cleaned you out. Use your imagination.
No ones worried about their $30-70k vehicles in the driveway??? haha I get it maybe a bit harder to steal cars BUT they are already outside so id say its on the same playing field as gold inside...But what do I know right lol Maybe people dont care since they have car insurance but no precious metal coverage or collectors insurance?
Cars are harder to fence and insurance is harder to get on gold holdings, but I’m with you. Lots of people walk around with more expensive jewelry. Cheers!
Cars aren't fungible. Coins are. A dude walks into a gold dealer and sells a couple of Buffalos, there's no way to prove that those Buffalos were stolen.
I know it’s cliche but If you don’t hold it you don’t own it. Those storage companies can be forced to turn over all assets at any time. Ask the older generations…they remember
@@claymccartney8388 Ummm. If you owe child support, I'm not sure that's all that unreasonable. You have a responsibility to take care of your children, legally and morally.
Creatively hiding $100,000 in gold coins (lets just say 50 coins) at a home is probably very easy for the average person who isn't broadcasting the fact that they have it. The problem is deciding if you want 50 separate creative locations, possibly forgetting about where they are later, and quickly retrieving them should the need arise to quickly abandon the house during an emergency evac.
It's socially acceptable to leave $80k cars in a driveway or Walmart parking lot, but taking secure, self storage of precious metals can be viewed as reckless. Crazy.
And two completely different things. Go to a Pawn shop and try to get market value for a stolen car, Gold on the other hand is easy to get cash for spot anywhere.
The typical home security wireless camera runs on a very common frequency. I found that out when I had a reverse camera in my car, and wired it separately from the viewer/screen. With the camera off, and the viewer on, if I got within range of someone's wireless camera, I'd pick up that camera in the viewer. Even though its more work, hard wired security cameras are the way to go.
@@2is1gold Hacking a wifi is very very easy. I had a friend who used to do it for fun, just to piss of his neighbours he would shut down tv's and change passwords in the nearby houses in the streets
Queue the "lost my stack in a boating accident" comments. Dang it man, been working on this topic, now I'll look like the copy cat haha. Really enjoy your videos and the no nonsense advice you give. This is such an important topic for stackers. It's like having an expensive firearm but purchasing the cheapest scope for it. Your storage container needs to match the metals you're storing. And yes, the typical "safe" won't do. Great job
It's an important topic to consider for sure. I just feel better not keeping anything at home. Spread across a couple of different vaults I can sleep at night 😴
About ten years ago our friends watched a video that shared how to put all their precious metals/money into a black PVC pipe seal both ends and then put that pipe inside a larger drainage pipe in your backyard. "Modify this to fit your situation". It worked amazingly for over ten years. However, the house was sold and it wasn't until last year that the friend's old memory clicked in to remind them that they had left that pipe full of their precious metals. They went back to ask the new owners if they could retrieve it only to find out that the place had been demolished and a parking lot was there now. No one knows what happened to the PVC pipe. Very true story.
Do you not think that Vaults will be confiscated when our government decides it wants to get rid of any threat to their CBDC? I did not hear you address this issue.
PS Ive heard of some old school guys who literally keep black powder on the inside walls of their safes in case someone tried to hack into them they will have a small explosion to kill or maim the thief...Seems extreme but I still love the idea lol
Not a good idea at all. That would be considered an explosive booby trap and regulated by the BATFE. If someone did break in to the safe, it exploded and the thief injured or killed, the owner of the house would be in a shit storm. Felony.
@@drbones3rd Its not a booby trap since you have no intention of cutting into the side of your safe your simply keeping it out of the reach of children and other people, you can literally have the containers on the shelf on each side...Like I said sounds extreme but people certainly do that...I wouldn't feel all that safe hacking into a safe knowing that...but then again im not a desperate drug addict or scumbag thief so maybe they dont think that way...Plus coming home to your home that's been robbed it also a shitstorm pick your proffered flavor... lol
@@cutlerylover good point. Unless the thief is using an acetylene torch, the gun powder would not do much. Most safes can be accessed quickly from the sides with a grinding wheel that are sold at any box store. Best thing I did was just add an independent alarm system to my safe with motion mercury switches.
@@drbones3rd Every situation is different when people talk about breaking into safes im not thinking about the pros in rich neighborhoods Im more focused on the drug addicts with crow bars and maybe an angle grinder...But there's no way to really protect your stuff its all deterrents and anything can be broken into by someone...
Enter front gate and front door because it’s never locked, go to the first room on the right down the mud room, look left on top of the desk. You will see a clear tube with red cap. You have now found my gold. Enjoy!
I always think back to how Walt and Gus tried to hide cash and stuff on Breaking Bad. Eventually, given enough time, everything was easily discoverable, because the cops knew what they had. Time is your enemy when trying to hide and protect your hard earned savings.
About 40 years ago my father in law had a large amount of cash. He was partially disabled so had my daughter climb up into his attic and stash it. A couple of her cousins were present at the time. When he sent her up to retrieve it, it was gone. When more than one person knows something, it's no longer a secret.
As Fox Mulder of X-files said "Trust no one". 40 years ago is one thing. Today?? You tell ONE person, might as well as leased a billboard stating "Hey, I have gold and here's where to find it, and here's the dates and times I won't be home!"
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That was just asking to get robbed.
That was dumb to have all those people around and to trust someone like that to stash it in his house. He would have been better off keeping it in a bank or credit union.
Or the field mice have it shredded and packed into a side wall.
The saying “loose lips sinks ships” is still appropriate today as it was during WW2. No one can steal from you if they don’t know about it. Thanks for the video 2is1.
Very true!
The problem with loose lips is that they tend to belong to loved ones who don't have an appreciation for the risk associated with having a large cache at home. That's why I prefer a Depository. Yes, the amount they buy silver eagles for is less than what others are paying on eBay, but the peace of mind is priceless.
And that brings to mind the fact that when the SHTF, getting any price online is liable to be a non issue. Of course, if that's the case, then you run the real risk of getting robbed on the way home from the Depository. Again, when the SHTF, getting ANYTHING shipped is liable to be a non starter (ie. Covid, when the whole world came to a stop).
It's enough to keep someone needlessly worrying. Therefore, spreading it around at home and amongst different locations makes the most sense to me. JMHO
Exactly! A stackers worst enemy is their own mouth. If you want to keep it then don't blag about it. Act as if you have nothing at all.
sure they can. random break-in
@@barbaradimascio4623 Exactly. However you can hide it very well not likely to be found at a random burglary. But that of course come with the risk that should you die and no one else knows anything about then your relatives don't get any benefit from it and it sits there till the house is demolished or something needs to be rebuild and then the new owners get a true treasure.
Burying it in the back yard has worked for many people for generations.
Probably the best option. It would be safe from fires and tornadoes
@@DS-tt9vz But not metal detectors unless you bury it 6+ feet down I've read.
@@MoonShadowsFarm If some one knows you have gold they will find it regardless. Burying it in the backyad protects against robbers who don't know you have it and protects it from the elements and house fires.
@@Karim-ik5ij I doubt it. They would have a problem finding it on my 9 acres.
@@MoonShadowsFarm Lucky! 9 acres!
I have a dog installed. Unfortunately she's More likely to slow a burglar just by demanding to be petted.
Ha!
Tha dangers to their eczema due to the dog licking them is brutal. 😂😂😂
Same here. If a burglar gave her food she would show anyone where my valuables are.
"I don't keep $100k of gold at home". *Has roughly $22k on camera alone.*
22k HAHA (why wasn't I buying )
Over $40k CAD in value today. 💪🏻
I have been robbed in the past. It was by someone who was in my house, and was jealous of my stuff. I have a home that is somewhat ordinary looking from the street, but it is nicely upgraded inside. It is filled with high-end art, furnishings, etc. Once this person was in my home, he learned of the nice things inside, and he decided it was worth the risk to steal it. It leaves a scar, to be a victim. It is very hard for me to want nice things in my home, as the envy from others puts honest people at risk. My point is this. $100,000 is very safe in your home if you do not tell anyone about it. Keep it out of sight. Do not advertise your wealth,. Oh, another thing, police can care less about helping a rich person reclaim their stolen items. The officer that I spoke with hated rich people, and said that anyone who can afford to own nice things, can afford to have them stolen.
We do our best to give the impression that we have nothing of value in our home. No guns, money, etc.
What a dick cop
It depends on who knows about it. If it's in a safe that's discretely located in the home and you don't brag about it, then it's probably safer than paper gold or vaulted gold if there's a SHTF scenario.
*laughs in tweaker with an angle grinder*
I installed a TL 15 minute Gun safe, bolted to floor, Rino brand… USA made. Fire rated for 45 minutes. I expect an expert could crack it open 10 minutes…. Mostly for fire protection. Will keep un-professional thieves out of my tiny 4 ounces of gold. And I got a noisy dog!
I had a friend of mine about 10 years ago that was murdered along with his wife and stepson the wife survived long enough to tell the police who did it. They were slashed to death left to bleed to death on the floor of their own home. It all started when Bill started bragging about the amount of gold coins that he had in a safe in his office. He owned a house moving company and his employees knew that he had a lot of gold in that safe. One evening about 9:00 one of his employees paid him a visit told him he needed to discuss something with him that was very important. Bill invited him into his office the man pulled a knife told Bill to open the safe bill did not open the safe he was stabbed to death multiple times, that's when his son come walking in and he was also stabbed multiple times Bill's wife was upstairs had no idea what was going on but heard a noise and went downstairs and they cut her pretty badly and left her to die. Turns out there were four of them that targeted there place. They took the entire safe and drove about 30 miles away to a remote location. The safe was found the next day but there was nothing in it. Bill's wife survived long enough in the hospital to give the police the names of all four a robbed and took their life. I consider her a hero she held on just long enough and now all four of those men their former employees have been locked up and will remain locked up for life. Very very sad story. None of this would have had to happen if Bill would have kept his gold in a safety deposit box or some other means that wouldn't be just sitting there. A safe that is visible is about the worst place you can keep anything valuable. The safe tells the thief exactly where the valuables are and some are willing to go to any length to get it. My dad always said keep your money in the bank. I know now that he was correct or at least keep it somewhere where it's not visible.
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Terrible story.
Banks aren’t safe either. Especially from the FBI and other Federal agencies. They’re crooks also.
@@2is1gold terrible story with a greatly important lesson
Keep your money in the bank until your government decides to freeze your accounts and steal it all, like they recently did in Canada.
A safe is also a good distraction…especially if bolted down WELL. Even leave some "snacks" in it. So if they get into it they will feel like they scored.
Ha!
You and I share the same security mindset in many ways. Great video.
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Great topic and great vid. Another way to think about this topic would be to put it in terms of time. When you purchase a safe, you are purchasing time. Therefore, if you can buy a nicer safe, or hide the safe, this equals more time. Anything that can be done to slow someone down gives you the benefit.
In all seriousness, even if a private vault were right next door, there is still counter-party risk, whether it be vault-owner related or more likely, government ordered confiscation during a “vault holiday”.
That’s why I think some gold paper is a-okay.
Yeah, pros and cons for sure. Cheers!
Sorry, a vault what?
@@eno88 why a new Vault, from VaultTec, of course!
@@eno88 vault holiday = mandatory closure similar to a bank holiday
Anonymity is a great advantage. Strive to be the gray man in all things. Great discussion, as always!
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Careful. Security through obscurity is no security at all.
2 is 1 and 1 is none. When 2 people know where your stash is there is one chance of losing it to thieves...
when 1 person (yourself) knows where your stash is there is no chance of losing it
Ha, well put.
Suggestion: Live in the hood. Home burglaries are near zero for a reason. Bars on windows, double layered security doors, everyone has a gun and nobody thinks you have anything worth stealing
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And you have wonderful neighbors....
We earned wealth to get out of the ghetto.
That's what Jeffrey Dahmer did. People mind their business and don't snitch.
ALL safes commonly available can be broken into. The rating of a safe is based upon how long it would take for a person to pry it open with the tools available on scene.
Just ordered a TL-30x6 yesterday. Good rule of thumb for safes is how much you plan to store should dictate how much you spend. If you plan on 50k of "stuff" then you need to look at a proper safe that can be insured for that amount, check with your insurance to see what is required to meet their requirements for insurance. Spent 3 months shopping and researching but it is necessary to understand all the details of a proper safe.
Of course don't tell anyone.
Yeah, good info. My insurance company has requirements as well, but they feel outdated. Cheers!
Years ago, I had a neighbor who took out special insurance on some valuables she had. A week later her home was broken into and the valuables stolen. It was never proven that the insurance company leaked information but, you know...hmmm.
It’s quite fun looking at safes and finding out about the different ratings,like TL and TRTL and what not,kinda like buying diamonds,it’s fun when you know what all the numbers mean. I have a cool antique safe that’s the size of a dishwasher but it weighs 2000 pounds so I’m not worried about anyone hauling it out.
You just did.
What brand did you finally purchase?
1. You are Not a Dummy
2. I appreciate all you are willing to share.
You were the first PM TH-camr I subscribed to. Never miss an episode. PS. TY for the sticker a couple years back. It’s on my safe!
Fantastic. Thanks!
When insulating my attic, I found a tiny "room" where my furnace exhaust goes from the basement to the roof. I don't have anything currently in there because it's difficult to access but over the years I've kept things I didn't want found in there.
In my youth, I kept my "stash" in the shower curtain rod. It flexed enough to easily remove and I had privacy when accessing my things.
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until you come home from school one day to find out your mom trashed the old rod.
Suggestion: By a used safe that is fairly difficult to open. Fill it with concrete so it weighs 200+ pounds and permanently seal the door shut. Chances are a thief will struggle to remove it and leave the premises with a smile on his face. Option: Add a tracking device so the police will be able to find him.
Forget the tracking device, C4 will do just fine 😎
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“Permanently seal the door shut”
What if you need to access your own gold?
@A Fridge Too Far, I think they mean to use this as a decoy safe.
@@afridgetoofar1818 Hopefully the gold is stored elsewhere and that is just a decoy to waste the burglar's time.
Good morning from Texas. Great intel. Kudos on the Pelican… my go to item. Have a blessed day!
Thanks, Tim!
A typical jewelry safe - especially those from actual jewelry stores - maybe about 2 feet high - can make a nice end table - putting a table cloth over it and putting stuff on it like all other tables, makes it look like everything else in your house and draws little to no attention...but not letting anyone know what you have and certainly where you have it is still the best way to keep your stuff safe.
Solid plan.
Put it up on the internet so that the thieves can educate themselves further. Nice.
@@ruanbouwer3746 just a suggestion
@@ruanbouwer3746 yes - poor choice on my part.
You have a nice end table.
At my location I built a 15x10 vault. Solid filled concrete cinder block walls, and a concrete ceiling with a vault door, and inside of it a safe. It’s not impenetrable, but it keeps people honest.
Me too!
It’s not about a secure safe. EVER ! That’s the visible target for a thief. It’s about the hiding place .
It’s about executing burglars caught in the act.
How about a gigantic safe burglars wear themselves out on, when really its buried in a smaller safe underneath the big one.
And burying em in the backyard and no one ever knew they were there except you.@@busterbiloxi3833
Learn how to do 'perfection' wall board repair .... etc. Use a cheap safe as deflective 'bait'.
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One of my fave videos of yours so far. Keep doing what you’re doing!
Thanks!!
That’s funny. I’ve just looked at a tl 15 safe yesterday.
Thanks for the informative video 😎.
Ronny
That’s the way to go. Cheers!
Hiding spots are awesome .might take time but behind finished sheetrock . Expecting to keep it there for years and years unless you want an exoensive repair to add behind insulation bolted to interior wall up high... brick outer foundation
Remember the FBI raided a vault service, ignored the warrant and took all the innocent gold, jewels etc. People are suing them for return, but that is very expensive. Never use an off site storage facility.
Source?
@@livinthedream7714 Look up US Private Vaults in Beverly Hills. FBI took over 80 million in assets from safety deposit boxes.
I support the FBI.
This is a well discussed and ongoing case. Happened in California. US vault. Google it.
Bury it on Mom's farm 10 miles outside of town...dont ever let her know
A good option is a floor safe. This is recessed under the flooring and done right it is very difficult to discern the access point from anywhere else on the floor.
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The introduction to your videos is excellent, I love the segway. I told a total of 7 of my friends to start watching your videos and they all subscribed, greetings from Tennessee
Hey, thanks!!
@@2is1gold you're welcome! I will admit that I have purchased 11 Tri ounces of gold since I've been watching your videos, what do you think about Scottsdale goldbars?
@@2is1gold your videos are elegant in presentation and afterwards I'll go hunting for another piece 😄
Great point on not hiding it in electrical boxes or paint cans, because you're absolutely right, somebody will throw them away or an electrician will go into the box.
Same thing with hiding them at a family members house. If they hire a contractor for some reason, they might find your stash :)
The spouse doing you a favor (or they can't stand the mess) and throws out the cans
Can you please address some of the issues with a bank safety deposit box…. many thanks and much appreciated
The only issue is access. You can only get in it when the bank allows you to. The claims that you cannot store gold or cash in safety deposit boxes is not true. There is no federal law banning that, though a bank can make rules on what you are allowed to store in their vault.
"First rule about gold ownership is that you don't talk about gold ownership" - Spoken like a a true Tyler Durden
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I see a lot of new gold collectors on social media, that means a lot of you guys been breaking the first two rules!!! 🤣🤙
Do not bastardize my rules.
My best friend had a contractor pour a 12x12 concrete slab in his backyard. Nothing notable to him, just a small job. Then he installed a Rubbermaid shed and cut a hole in the floor. The dugout area underneath is 6x6x6 with another layer of concrete on the floor and timber walls. He stacks metal in sealed 5 gallon buckets. When the floor is in place and the mower, pressure washer, etc are in there it looks just like any other shed.
Thank you, this is valuable info! 👍🏻 Years ago, there was a pseudo documentary series called “It Takes A Thief” wherein 2 reformed burglars would scope a house, then get the homeowners’ permission to “break in” after the cameras had been set up to film the carnage. It was terrifying to see what pro thieves could grab in under 10 minutes. On another note, I am bemused at comments from gun owners who are determined to protect their safes. This plan only works if you live alone! 😱 If you have a spouse or child threatened by a thug with a gun or knife, you are gonna open that safe. Much to be considered here! I think your “layers” concept is on-point for best security.
why hold the physical, the risk factor seems very high? Why not buy / hold it digitally.
One of the things I learnt fairly early on was that buying coins is essentially collecting, and you like having your collections close to you because they are pretty, shiny and you want to play with them and cuddle, and lick... I prefer bars... They are plain, ugly... they are what they are, nothing more nothing less. They are cheap and there is absolutely no emotional attachment to them. You are then happy to keep the "investment" in a vault. I live in Australia and my preference is the Singapore Freeport. Away from government jurisdiction.
Makes sense. Cheers!
ps those walmart safes are awesome diversions lol I keep one in every closet with some fun fakes coins and fake cash inside with a note to the thief :) Its funny to me to think they will break their back hauling them off only to find my surprises inside later...Im almost sad I havent been robbed yet lmao
I love your idea. I believe in digging a hole
You sandbaggin SOB! :)
Ha!
I might or might not have a dummy safe myself.....
@@Th3DavidPugh then dig a hole
When my great grandfather passed away , We found 120 One ounce gold coins in the bottom of a cat litter box.
Wow.
The first rule of Gold Club is NEVER talk about GOLD CLUB!
All great advice! I pretty much use all of those… Wonderful video amigo!
Thank you, sir!
The problem with glass break detection is over sensitivity. A storm with rain and winds could set it off. Any vibration like someone knocking on the window or bouncing a tennis ball off it sets off the alarm. So the window doesn't have to break to set off the alarm.
Cat knocked a ceramic cup off my kitchen counter, set off the kitchen glass break alarm.
What gold and silver? I lost mine years ago in that unfortunate boating accident! Good vid. And I hope no one’s actually using those “book safes.” The worst mistake we can make is assuming thieves don’t educate themselves on hidden storage methods.
Yup, unfortunate boating accident...precious metals and guns!
can someone explain this joke xd
That reminds me of Black Bush Skit.
“What is it that people say you invaded the Middle East for oil? Huh? What? Who said anything about oil? Bitch. You cookin’”
@@dapperdan8085 - Guns? No clue what you’re talking about! 😉 Ammo? Whaaaaat? 🤣
Yeah, books are the first place I’d look! 😄
I sent mine to a Nigerian Prince, (I forget his name), who is holding it for me with 50% interest compounded daily! Talk about a deal!
Ha!
Talk about lucky! I found the love of my life and she’s the hottest babe ever only two days after winning big in the lottery! Pure luck!
Send me his number,he called once but I lost it and I want in on the deal 🥴
Too many people actually fall for these scams. It's sad.
Bolt your safe to the ceiling that will throw them off.
Ha!
I've wanted to do this video. Glad you did it first. I'm off the hook. It is comforting to know that no matter what or when, you can see what's going on inside and outside the home. I'm the same way and get those push notifications - and while it does have its limitations, whether hardwired or wireless, cameras are certainly better than nothing. Dogs? Even better. I appreciate the common-sense approach to security rather than the neanderthal, knuckle-dragging "I'd pump him full of lead" type testosterone comments from people who have likely never been on the barrel side of a firearm yet alone trained correctly to prepare for such a situation.
Absolutely. Nobody should want to be tested in that situation and most would fail. There’s plenty of practical layers anyone can add without getting into cowboy territory. Cheers, Vert!
Are you suggesting the tools to defend one's property are not an important part of the security layers?
@@mybad8805 no, not at all. What do you think I am suggesting?
BTW: Be sure to protect you "SAFE" from fire by using a water buffer designed to boil off in the event of a fire. Water boils at 100 degrees C and anything inside of a safe protected by that fact of physics (including paper) should be fine. In many metal safes - this can be as simple as a 12-40 oz beverage can sized container of water with a wax plug sealing a small hole in the top of the can. When temperatures in the safe exceed the wax's melting point - the seal will disintegrate allowing the water to boil when it reaches 100C. The inside of the safe will remain at 100C as long as the can contains boiling water. In many fires - this will be long enough to protect the innards of the safe as the structure around it burns away. Paper kindles at 230 degrees C so keeping the safe at 100C by using boiling water as a "refrigerant" makes complete sense.
Very smart
Very nice idea! If making a water jacket for the safe it could be nice to add a rust inhibitor so the it doesn't corrode and floor your contents.
but melted gold is still gold...
This is not how physics work... Water steam can get hotter and hotter. If you want to protect something it has to be INSIDE the water.
I’m not sure if I have mentioned this on your channel but I have had several safes in my day and a couple years ago I bought a custom safe from a company called sturdy safe. I found that they offered the most steel for the money! I was blown away at how well made their safes are! If anyone is looking, check them out. 🤠
Thanks!
Good advice. I am more than average interested in safes and have done a lot of research into every aspect of what makes a safe safe. Sturdy ticks off most of the boxes of what a safe should be, at least if you are considering the price. If money is no option, look into Graffunder. A TL15 rating is also a good minimum level to be considered a true safe. Sturdy's are not TL-rated, but they would with no doubt pass the test if they tried. Sadly a lot of people are douped by boxstore "safes" with shiny paint and huge locking bolts, but in reality they only get a tin can with a strong looking door.
No safe is any safer than your willingness to open it when a gun is pointed at your children's or your wife's head.
If you are worried about protecting your gold and silver, why not insure it too. I have bought fairly reasonable insurance. It costs me $350/yr for every $100K. It also includes collector coins and even covers losses due to fire or water damage but you must maintain a precise inventory and purchase receipts are always good to prove ownership.
Interesting!!
Uncle got 100 year old safe for $150 not yet in use. Holy smokes no one makes them like that anymore. Four feet tall and takes two large men to move it on steel wheels! Mechanism and tolerances are like a Swiss watch. Will be built into a concrete wall.
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Problem with hiding is if you pass. Happened to someone I know. Lost diamonds and cash.
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Have any of you heard the story from Southern California, where a vault company was raided by cops and all the boxes contents taken. Many people never got their items back.
These people paid monthly to ultimately have their things stolen.
That wasn’t a vault. That was like a strip mall safe deposit box facility. A depository is completely different. Cheers!
Tough shit. Cry me a river. Those people were criminals and bastards.
Greatest danger is the people in the know. I know a few cases when relatives and coworkers are the reasons for stealing
Money makes people do crazy things. Some people even kill for money.
I can well appreciate you hesitations discussing this topic, which is one I’ve given much thought to. Your ideas and thoughts in this video are good and well thought-out. Thank you.
Thanks!
Always find your videos interesting and informative. I know it’s a uncomfortable topic to be talking about on the Internet, I feel it is a very important one I appreciate your braveryThank you so much God bless you and yours.
Thanks!
Storage services are a tall hurdle. I’m sure they are honest and trustworthy. I simply can’t be sure the service will always be in control of the their own situation if things went south in their region. It’s a mental issue….for me. I realize things could go south in *my* region. But, being the basket case that I am, I prefer to go down with my own ship. I may even go down while they remain afloat. However, peace of mind works better for me when I feel I have more control and access than the services allow. To each his own though. C’est la vie. Statistically, they are very safe.
Yep, if you’re more comfortable keeping them in your personal domain, that’s the way to go. I like a split, but it took me a while to get there. Cheers!
@@2is1gold splitting the baskets sounds rational. Maybe my faith will grow with time as well if the current madness ever retreats. Would definitely take baby steps toward an eventual split. Another option, at my age, is to begin familial distribution, as that is the ultimate destination anyway.
Your region is a trailer park filled with trailer trash.
There are so many great spots ; I wouldn't even disclose my ideas
one important thing is to not get deliveries to your house, no matter how nondescript the packages seem.
Why not?
@@purethccheck because the postal worker or neighbors may be able to tell that it is precious metals you are receiving.
Very important topic, thanks for weighing in.
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When the SHTF burglar alarms and security cameras aren’t going to cut the mustard unfortunately.
There are additional ways to ensure security. Cheers!
Yes….but we can’t talk about it unfortunately
I live in europe and I have little bit different perspective.
I'm going to store part of my gold in swiss bank storage.
This is cost ca. 200usd per year.
I completely get it. Cheers!
I know telling “good guys” about your stashes is not a great idea, but having a note locked up somewhere with the stashes listed would not be a bad thing. One day you may up and croak and your family has to go on an Easter egg hunt of the century to hopefully find it all 🙂 In my grandfathers case, he got too old to remember where everything was as we were moving them to downsize homes. I was finding $100’s in old boots headed for the dump and 10oz silver bars and rounds up in the attic. Like to think we got it all but I have a feeling the new owners have a few free gifts stashed in the walls of that house….
I think that’s very common. My lawyer has a document with details. Nobody else would know where to look.
@@2is1gold We had the same thing with my parents and I know there were hidden valuables we never found.
Excellent shit.
Perhaps a refresher?
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I’ll be leaving the job of showcasing your entire inventory up to you. I trust my safe, but the first line of defense is discretion-
For sure. Don’t do what I do. 😄
…..quietly collecting add revenue-
You just get a very thick safe and you bolt it to the floor in a good hiding space like under the stairs or in the wall or in corner of closet somewhere.
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Don’t put all your apples in one place. The top of the kitchen shelves is a great spot if layed flat on top. Under your kitchen cabinets behind the baseboards. Under you attic insulation. Stainless steel silverware? Why not real silverware? Most people use stainless steel, they’d never think the silverware drawer could be holding a small fortune. A little here and a little there. You don’t want it all in your safe. Personally, mine isn’t in any of those places. Another idea is to purchase fake bars, and they make some pretty realistic ones that are very cheap. Even your ventilation. Let the thief think he hit the jackpot by finding your stash of fake metals. He’ll gather it up thinking he cleaned you out. Use your imagination.
Precisely why I consider lead a precious metal.
No ones worried about their $30-70k vehicles in the driveway??? haha I get it maybe a bit harder to steal cars BUT they are already outside so id say its on the same playing field as gold inside...But what do I know right lol Maybe people dont care since they have car insurance but no precious metal coverage or collectors insurance?
Taking out insurance on an investment is just going to eat into your gains every year
Cars are harder to fence and insurance is harder to get on gold holdings, but I’m with you. Lots of people walk around with more expensive jewelry. Cheers!
Cars aren't fungible. Coins are. A dude walks into a gold dealer and sells a couple of Buffalos, there's no way to prove that those Buffalos were stolen.
That`s not a apples to apples comparison
@@2is1gold You can get insurance for a security deposit box. They don't ask what is in them, just the amount you want to insure.
I have a $50 strongbox hidden under the floorboards. As nobody knows I have gold at home thats enough.
Bwahaha. Most definitely safest at home. Not only is everyone in town scared of me, but if someone entered my home they'd never be found again
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If you put it in the bank they will take it
I know it’s cliche but If you don’t hold it you don’t own it. Those storage companies can be forced to turn over all assets at any time. Ask the older generations…they remember
Yeah, pros and cons. I split it up and vet the vault. Cheers!
Lehtos Law channel has some great examples of that recently.
A judge can seize contents if child support is missed. Imagine ur family left u coins and ur out of work. Never trust anyone but urself
@@claymccartney8388 Ummm. If you owe child support, I'm not sure that's all that unreasonable. You have a responsibility to take care of your children, legally and morally.
@@ljhcmh614 ummm no. My ex who never paid a penny in 15 yrs of me raising the kids gets custody and now wants to hook me.
Those Walmart Sentry safes bolt to the floor. In the corner in the back end of a tight closet on the second floor, much better than a cereal box.
Bolted down and hidden improves their effectiveness dramatically. Cheers!
Creatively hiding $100,000 in gold coins (lets just say 50 coins) at a home is probably very easy for the average person who isn't broadcasting the fact that they have it. The problem is deciding if you want 50 separate creative locations, possibly forgetting about where they are later, and quickly retrieving them should the need arise to quickly abandon the house during an emergency evac.
I’ve misplaced coins for months before. It’s a whole thing.
What if your house burns down? Bye bye $100,000 gold coins.
@@afridgetoofar1818 Gold is a metal, it's not paper.
@@MacTX Doesn’t matter. You’re coins are now melted and buried in a giant pile of ash. Bye bye coins 👋
Excellent information
Thanks!
It's socially acceptable to leave $80k cars in a driveway or Walmart parking lot, but taking secure, self storage of precious metals can be viewed as reckless. Crazy.
20k rings or watches are fine, but hiding and securing some gold seems reckless. I don’t get it either.
And two completely different things. Go to a Pawn shop and try to get market value for a stolen car, Gold on the other hand is easy to get cash for spot anywhere.
@@redoz9768 It's about the overall liability of the car in comparison vs. just the theft scenario.
@@TrevForPresident most cars of any value are fully insured, plus they have ID numbers which identify them. Unlike most privately held Gold.
well said buddy
I need to look into external storage. I’m starting to feel itchy.
I get it. There’s a point where the itch is for good reason.
nothing is more itchy than external storage
The typical home security wireless camera runs on a very common frequency. I found that out when I had a reverse camera in my car, and wired it separately from the viewer/screen. With the camera off, and the viewer on, if I got within range of someone's wireless camera, I'd pick up that camera in the viewer. Even though its more work, hard wired security cameras are the way to go.
Siri, Alexa or that damned nosey toaster could be watching too.
You have to be on the wifi network to access the feed for the type I have.
@@2is1gold Hacking a wifi is very very easy.
I had a friend who used to do it for fun, just to piss of his neighbours he would shut down tv's and change passwords in the nearby houses in the streets
Yeah don't buy security cameras from walmart.
@@Hughleikany insights? I have a beef against society 😂
Great topic to cover. Thanks!
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Don’t we all store it on old boats on deep lakes?
This is the way.
Be careful, boat’s looking a little rickety.
I've got mine in a deep well. 😁
Great job, thank you for the informnation
I store over 250k at my house it’s called home equity
Harder to steal.
Not sure why algorithm is referring old videos
Huh. I must not be putting out enough content. Need to get the minions working harder.
Queue the "lost my stack in a boating accident" comments. Dang it man, been working on this topic, now I'll look like the copy cat haha. Really enjoy your videos and the no nonsense advice you give. This is such an important topic for stackers. It's like having an expensive firearm but purchasing the cheapest scope for it. Your storage container needs to match the metals you're storing. And yes, the typical "safe" won't do. Great job
There is no such thing as copycat topics. Hit it with great abandon! I feel like I only scratched the surface. Cheers!
Your logic is on point. 👏💯👏
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It's an important topic to consider for sure. I just feel better not keeping anything at home. Spread across a couple of different vaults I can sleep at night 😴
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Just consider what you would do if you lost contact with the people storing it for you due to a disaster, etc
have at least 1 cache for that what if
A heavy duty safe is a given, driveway alarm, dogs, handguns, shotgun, AR, body armor with multiple personnel on site 24/7.
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About ten years ago our friends watched a video that shared how to put all their precious metals/money into a black PVC pipe seal both ends and then put that pipe inside a larger drainage pipe in your backyard. "Modify this to fit your situation". It worked amazingly for over ten years. However, the house was sold and it wasn't until last year that the friend's old memory clicked in to remind them that they had left that pipe full of their precious metals. They went back to ask the new owners if they could retrieve it only to find out that the place had been demolished and a parking lot was there now. No one knows what happened to the PVC pipe. Very true story.
Oh no!!! 😱
0% chance this is a true story. Maybe possible if the owner died.
@@mblind3821 im with you. No one forgets about their precious metals
@@SilverandCigars Biden would. 🤣🤣
@@bc_usa Biden would forget them in his Corvette, which he keeps telling us is very safe.
Do you not think that Vaults will be confiscated when our government decides it wants to get rid of any threat to their CBDC? I did not hear you address this issue.
PS Ive heard of some old school guys who literally keep black powder on the inside walls of their safes in case someone tried to hack into them they will have a small explosion to kill or maim the thief...Seems extreme but I still love the idea lol
Not a good idea at all. That would be considered an explosive booby trap and regulated by the BATFE. If someone did break in to the safe, it exploded and the thief injured or killed, the owner of the house would be in a shit storm. Felony.
@@drbones3rd Not really, its normal to have black powder in a gun safe with your black powder gun ;) No felony at all just a sad accident...
@@drbones3rd Its not a booby trap since you have no intention of cutting into the side of your safe your simply keeping it out of the reach of children and other people, you can literally have the containers on the shelf on each side...Like I said sounds extreme but people certainly do that...I wouldn't feel all that safe hacking into a safe knowing that...but then again im not a desperate drug addict or scumbag thief so maybe they dont think that way...Plus coming home to your home that's been robbed it also a shitstorm pick your proffered flavor... lol
@@cutlerylover good point. Unless the thief is using an acetylene torch, the gun powder would not do much. Most safes can be accessed quickly from the sides with a grinding wheel that are sold at any box store. Best thing I did was just add an independent alarm system to my safe with motion mercury switches.
@@drbones3rd Every situation is different when people talk about breaking into safes im not thinking about the pros in rich neighborhoods Im more focused on the drug addicts with crow bars and maybe an angle grinder...But there's no way to really protect your stuff its all deterrents and anything can be broken into by someone...
Anyone can hide anything.
A decoy is a good idea too.
If a thief holds it, you don’t own it.
Ha!
Good one Heist.😉
Joke's on you, I have the RECEIPTS! Muhaha.
Hahaha
Enter front gate and front door because it’s never locked, go to the first room on the right down the mud room, look left on top of the desk. You will see a clear tube with red cap. You have now found my gold. Enjoy!
Ha.
I think safes are a bad idea, unless they're very well hidden. I can think plenty of ways someone could make you open your safes for them.
I always think back to how Walt and Gus tried to hide cash and stuff on Breaking Bad. Eventually, given enough time, everything was easily discoverable, because the cops knew what they had. Time is your enemy when trying to hide and protect your hard earned savings.
‘Blow’ is another one. “We’re going to need a bigger house.” 😄
@@2is1gold "Your honor, it was just a few plants over an invisible line!"
Solid info and solid advice!
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