I would love to see an episode on the podcast with with Richard Rapport! Would be nice to hear what he has to say about modern chess and how much more difficult it is to find new ideas and how he used to find previous ideas of his and etc.
Winning the candidates is the biggest challenge. Taking down Gukesh in a 14 game match is a piece of cake for Fabi. He's as strong as Magnus in classical. (Unless Gukesh improves to reach 2800-2820 and Fabi declines in the next two years.)
Ha ha we saw that gukesh literally kicked fabis ass in two Olympiads in a row 😂.if fabi is magnus level why did he choke in last round and gukesh won candidates?.Fabi is still slightly better but not at all easy for him to defeat gukesh.@anuraglamichhane1733
@@anuraglamichhane1733 Gukesh was 18 and won candidates, and also gold twice in a row in Olympiad on board 1. Considering his age next 2 years he is only going to grow stronger. Fabi on the other hand is past his peak. Apart from Magnus, dont think anybody is a favorite against Gukesh. The gap between the rest among top 5 is not that big. Fabi is definitely the strongest right now, but the gap aint significant enough to call anyone a favorite. Much less, 2 years later.
@@kunalsingh4418 Oh come on Fabi is CLEARLY a favorite. He's peak 2850+ (Third best in history) is still 2800+. Guki struggled against a declined 2720 ding. Only from a biased nationalistic sentiment is Gukesh a favourite.
At 40 min: It should also be noted, that it's possible for someone like Fabi to play many cheaters, even if few people are cheating. That is because Titled Tuesday uses a Swiss system where players are paired based on the amount of points they scored so far. So even if only 2% of players are cheating in any given Titled Tuesday (obviously more have cheated over their lifetimes) those will be the 2% who perform very well and are likely to get paired against someone like Fabi. And with 800 players even 2% are 16 players. Everyone could be correct here. It could be, that many players have cheated in the past, that few cheat in any given event and that top players are still constantly facing cheaters.
Great point, assuming there’s 2% cheaters, and assuming cheaters win every round and Fabi wins every round. Then he would have a 2% chance of facing a cheater the first round, 4% round 2, 8% round 3, and so on. Obviously these are big assumptions. Cheaters are sophisticated enough to only use assistance on occasional games, for occasional moves, in order to avoid detection, therefore this type of cheating does not guarantee a win. But under these assumptions, he’s pretty much guaranteed to play a cheater every titled Tuesday.
@@Micleprechuani think the chances may rise faster because of draws. So let's say in each round 40% of players win, 40% lose and 20% draw. Fabi and the cheaters win the first 3 rounds. So there is a 2% chance in round 1, a 5% chance in round 2, a 12.5% chance in round 3 and then by round 4 there is allready an almost 30% chance. And obviously there are 11 rounds and we're talking about the probabilities of just any individual round. The chances for the whole tournament will be incredibly high. Obviously this is extreme, since cheaters will not win every game, if they're not stupid. On the other hand it does make sense to win the first couple of rounds against unknown players in order to get a decent score to begin with without anyone geting suspicious about any of those games.
@@MartinMaier-g5t . Correct. People take an overly simplistic approach when they estimate the probability of facing cheaters. They forget to take into account that cheaters play many games so even if cheaters only make up 2% of the pool the probability of facing a cheater is much higher than 2% especially in closed events where the probability of facing cheaters rises as both the cheaters and the top players score wins and rise to the top of the event together.
one of the reasons for a lack of solution to the cheating problem, is that the punishment for getting caught is not severe enough. its shocking 11/top 100 pro's have been caught and still play. Lifetime bans, you cheat, you forfeit your career.
those are just ones who've been banned. then you have 2 specific players i have in mind who idk if they were banned but they did admit to cheating against 'cheaters' (booted up the engine midgame to interrogate the alleged cheater lol). so brings it up to 13 with KNOWN cases
The thing Fabi touches on near the end is the biggest problem with cheating: at most levels, like 2200 and above (and that's conservative), having an alert when your opponent blunders would raise your win rate substantially (and the higher your level, the bigger the win rate increase from that). You could cheat that way *without ever receiving a candidate move or being suggested a line*. You only need to know "big eval swing," and as long as you're not stupid enough to pause / think for a uniform amount of time every time that happens, you *will* see a huge bump in your results, undetectably. It will simply look like instincts and the moves will only reflect your actual skill level (so no weird stockfish lines).
57:09 It was basically like if Fabiano Caruana had showed up to an event, but the intonation was different, and he said: "I'm not Fabiano Caruana, I'm Fabiano Marihuana."
Anti cheating measure that works: have offline playing strength measurement for the top players - require this for titled tuesday if you want to enter. You go to a chess strength skill measurement booth and play and solve puzzles for a certain amount of time - this unique dataset is used to check against your performance online and OTB to detect anormalities in playing patterns. Combine this with data from OTB events where you are somewhat certain the anti-cheat measures have worked to prevent cheating.
I personally think the most funny aspect of the fake name incident is that the guy faked his name in order to pose as a peasant and win basically the national peasants sports festival 🤣
Fabi, hope this reaches you! Your commentary with Danny and Robert during the WCC was amazing. You guys nailed a balance of serious analysis and humor. I still go back to the clip where "everyone" saw a possible tactic, but Danny had you explain why it didn't work so "the audience" could see what you definitely all saw. It'd be awesome to see the three of you together again for the next WCC (if you're not the Challenger, that is!)
On the topic of false positives at 35:39. It’s really hard to collect accurate data on cases of false positive cheat detection, because the only person who can know for sure, is the person who was falsely detected as a cheater.
@@arnontzori, but this doesn't account for smart cheaters. The problem that they're talking about is with professional players who will know to cheat in a better way and also less frequently to the average joe.
For Hikaru if it doesn't lead to a world championship or a huge money payout he is financially better off just streaming. Magnus just doesn't care anymore. He has multiple businesses he is involved in, just got married, has absolutely nothing to prove, doesn't need the money, and no longer enjoys classical anyway. So don't expect either of them to ever play tata steel ever again.
14:35 No Vidit is not married yet.. he has wedding planned in April. Why is everyone confused 😂😂 You will see a lot of contentfrom chessbase India when he gets married😂😂😂
A lot is made of how long and exhausting this tournament is for the players. But it's much shorter than major tournaments of the past, like the famous 1971 Alekhine Memorial with 18 players won by Karpov and Stein, or the many Soviet championships that also had 18 players. Also all these cheating schemes with the glasses in playing halls involve electromagnetic transmissions, which can be blocked by enclosing the playing area in a Faraday Cage (it's easier to do than it sounds).
I don't think a Faraday Cage prevents electromagnetic transmissions within the cage itself. It is designed to be a barrier between the inside and the outside of the cage. If all the cheating hardware is contained in the glasses, a Faraday Cage wouldn't help.
I agree with you how much longer the tournaments of the past were. Imagine playing a 25 round double round robin. That is how grandmaster Ron Henley earned his title. Older tournaments had one difference and that difference was the adjournment. However one could argue that an adjournment is energy consuming and tiring. Not only were they longer In addition, it is also plausible that the competitors were in much worse shape physically. Many were smokers and had horrible dietary habits. After Fischer, many of today's players understand the need for physical activity and better diet.
Problem is that there are money prizes in tournaments, and people who depend on that money for survival. Makes it obvious that professional players have to find every advantage possible. And it's very hard to beat cheaters without cheating. Make your own conclusions.
The problem is as Fabi stated, it may come to a point you don't know what to do. As a fact that can be stated there will always always considerable percentage of people in all levels trying to cheat ,and the only thing stopping them is just they don't have the chance and if they have it they will cheat for sure. A funny story, I used to organize friendly blitz university tournament every week with symbolic gifts, and during covid it became online, I said I will cancel the gifts so no one tries to cheat, then there was always cheater, then I canceled the rating and made it casual games, also always some players cheating even though they get absolutely nothing. So imagine if there were money prizes, I think there should be strict scanning in OTB tournaments maybe even random checks during playing. as i am sure a lot will try it, specially in open tournaments its very easy to use.
Listening from India 🇮🇳 to listen to Fabi love to Fabi. Yes they got paid(vishy n Gukesh) for it of course. All the best to Fabi for wijk and zee title.
Fabi's cringiest, most ridiculous ads weren't those: It was the ones where he was interested in cryptocurrency. He might as well try to sell us on the can't-miss value of the Stafford gambit
It's a pity that a lot of the top players don't wanna play classical chess. This year's tata steel line up though strong, is definitely an A- or a B+ Okay Magnus gets a pass because he has mentioned his thoughts on classical and Naka is just shit scared of losing his 2800 rating so he doesn't play. Definitely feel like FIDE should come up with a Rating Decay or something where if you don't play a single classical game or a min no of classical games for 6 months or something then it's like a -10 from your current rating. We have too many players in the top 20 who need to justify if they are even worthy of their rating since they have not really tested themselves in classical.
Agreed. But still the lineup is superb. Just imagine the year is 2030 and all these young players in Masters and Challengers would be Around 23-26 age group and would have developed significantly. This Tata Steel round simply reflects how the future Chess world would look like.
Truth is the online joke of chess players condemn Kramnik because deep down they are scared shite he's right! Your content is excellent at exposing this huge problem plaguing our beautiful sport...thx C-Squared and my second favorite player of all time ( after Kramnik) Fabiano Caruana!
I don't think anyone is actually scared of kramnik. Yes he calls out alot of people who do cheat but he also accuses people of cheating who simply just outplayed him. He seen as a washed up insane man who is still somewhat capable at playing chess rather than a formidable force of law and order lol.
Wow, German chess fed. canning an interviewer for asking about "Ding Chillin'" memes? I'm guessing people who make decisions over there are age 50+ only.
He probably just doesn't want to be directly involved in any drama that follows through after. And let's say there is a situation where someone mentioned isn't a cheater or there isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that they have cheated. It ruins fabi's credibility and he could end up in legal battles over defamation of character if they decide to sue. In a perfect world you would be right.
@TheUnknownWarrior the thing is he mentioned that they are confirmed cheaters, banned in certain platforms. If they were caught, why protect their reputation?
Ok, on the one hand cheating is so serious in general, on the other hand when Kramnik accuses someone specific then he is called crazy. I actually support him, but I'm in minority.
Continuity is underrated in chess at the moment, IMO. When this post pandemic boom eventually winds down chess will need its ‘spine’ if that makes any sense. For mine traditional Classical tournaments like this are absolutely the heart and soul of the game. Best of luck for Tata Fabi!
The one thing I'd say is that I think its not an unreasonable assumption also that at least some of the people who got caught cheaing wouldn't cheat in prize money events. I imagine theres a big difference in a lot of peoples minds between cheating when it matters and cheating because your tilted or whatever
57:05 I read about that fake name, truly the Carlos Magnussen of fake names. And I think he had to do that because it was part of a game/sports meet for people living in rural regions only.
The biggest threat to the game of Chess is... Math. Because Chess is a game with fixed rules and no random it's only a matter of time before some genius figures out how to solve it using math. The problem is how do you integrate math with Chess? That's the multi-million dollar question. When it gets solved you should be able to apply a mathematical formula to the board (based on the pieces and their positions) to get the highest value move. The highest value move being the correct move to play.
So GM Kramnik is not so crazy after all..... If Fabi's assumption is correct. Every player playing in every Titled Tuesday. Is almost guaranteed to be paired against at least one cheating Titled Tuesday player.
Fabi, you have one issue applying your set of assumptions about cheating to reach your conclusion. You note that charitably 10/100 of the top 100 players have ever been caught cheating. But then you say that this implies that 10% of the players in a titled tuesday event are cheating. The big issue with your logic is that someone who has cheated once is not necessarily cheating in every event they play. In fact, you can assume that those 10 top 100 players probably only cheated in a handful of events ever, having played something like 100+ money events. I just wanted to clarify that if you think there are 50 people in a TT event who have ever cheated or ever will cheat, it doesn't mean that they are going to be cheating in this specific TT event. You would have to divide out their cheating across all events. Maybe they cheat 0.5%-1% of all events? Hard to estimate. But that implies that maybe 2-5 players in a given TT could be cheating. This number approaches the 3% benchmark of cheating that other people have noted. As always, love this podcast. And 3% of cheating in a money event is clearly too high anyway.
Cheaters don't cheat in only 0.5%-1% of the events they play. That's just not in a cheater's nature. If someone is willing to cheat, and finally decides to do it, and then realizes he got away with it, he's not going to wait 100-200 more tournaments before he does it again. He'll just keep doing it, only restraining himself as much as he thinks he needs to to keep from getting caught. Virtually every cheater who has ever come clean and told his cheating story has described it pretty much this way.
true but there's obvious flaws in that style of playing such as players just simply forgetting where some of their pieces are and then stumbling into blunders. Which is especially likely when they end up in complex positions where they need to calculate different move variations etc. Just seems impractical in a competitive setting
Cricket had a massive problem with cheating and match fixing, even to the point national captains were compromised. It would not be surprising if a similar problem is happening in chess, there is so much money in gambling (particularly in India).
People can play chess without glasses. You'd have to have very bad eyesight not to be able to distinguish between the pieces. Online, make the screen bigger and have accessibility options for those requiring help.
The Nijat Abasov principle, his best result is generally considered as much luck as skill to finish 4th in the 2023 World Cup and qualifying for the candidates. All the time he spent learning chess to be better than all but 50-100 people on the planet and he gets pretty much nothing out of it. The risk vs reward to cheat to beat Anish and Vidit in that tournament is absurdly in favor of cheating other than self discipline/respect. The $50k prize money for 4th in the World Cup and 24.5k Euros for 3.5 points in the Candidates vastly exceeds his career earnings from all other chess events. Being banned at 28 (at the time of the 2023 World Cup) is largely meaningless, there is no possible meaningful punishment since chess tournaments don't offer meaningful rewards to the 50th-100th best male player in the world without extreme amounts of luck. I have no reason to think Abasov cheated but other than his own principles there was very little reason for him not to cheat.
And then who using glasses to see will get an advantage 😂 Yeeeears of hearing ppl that the ones with glasses are smarter, now there is a reason Niemann will f.p days to get thoose glasses 😂
@@TheUnknownWarrior as we can see, fixing draws in professional chess is not even considered as something bad, which is ridiculous to me. And now even fixing Blitz Champtionship title is OK to players and FIDE.
I dont understadn whyy christian thinks galsses are a threat to online.I mean if you want to cheat ,as more than thousands of person do in a onth,you can do it simply by looking at an engine next toyou or in another tab essentially glasses are essentialy the same it is still the same engine not some kind of an engine which works differently.İf you are concerned about elite level chesscom events like champions chess tour intercolleges and wahtnot ı am pretty sure you can just ask players to show the brand of thier glasses as there is not that many players in those events
Tbf, many online chess events nowadays require you to have multiple cameras, so these glasses make it a lot easier to broadcast your game to someone and listen to suggestions without looking suspicious. But if you try hard enough, you can always cheat online anyway.
The people with the most to lose may be the best cheaters. How can you beat cheaters on a consistent basis to get to the top? I know Magnus is not cheating and I doubt Fabi is cheating but how do these people consistently beat cheaters?
I've seen people beat cheaters in blitz and low-rapid games by playing only to avoid exchanges, to get the game to the point where the cheater runs out of time to transfer moves between engine and board. I think that only works online though, where the cheater has minimal chess knowledge and the legit player KNOWS the other is cheating toward the beginning of the game.
34:00 didn't love Christian talking over Fabi while he was trying to count, seemed a little rude and was a little annoying to listen to at the very least.
I play on a low level . and I’m sure 3out of five is cheating. i play on the 1200-1300 And they have around 90 in accurecy. Its almost impossible to advance :(
I would love to see an episode on the podcast with with Richard Rapport! Would be nice to hear what he has to say about modern chess and how much more difficult it is to find new ideas and how he used to find previous ideas of his and etc.
yes, me too would love seeing him as a guest!!!
I agree
Yes!!
This is a great idea
Still rooting for Fabi to bring the championship back to the US. Huge fan of the channel.
Legend has it that a guy named Hans will be the first American world chess champion.
Winning the candidates is the biggest challenge. Taking down Gukesh in a 14 game match is a piece of cake for Fabi. He's as strong as Magnus in classical. (Unless Gukesh improves to reach 2800-2820 and Fabi declines in the next two years.)
Ha ha we saw that gukesh literally kicked fabis ass in two Olympiads in a row 😂.if fabi is magnus level why did he choke in last round and gukesh won candidates?.Fabi is still slightly better but not at all easy for him to defeat gukesh.@anuraglamichhane1733
@@anuraglamichhane1733 Gukesh was 18 and won candidates, and also gold twice in a row in Olympiad on board 1. Considering his age next 2 years he is only going to grow stronger. Fabi on the other hand is past his peak. Apart from Magnus, dont think anybody is a favorite against Gukesh. The gap between the rest among top 5 is not that big. Fabi is definitely the strongest right now, but the gap aint significant enough to call anyone a favorite. Much less, 2 years later.
@@kunalsingh4418 Oh come on Fabi is CLEARLY a favorite. He's peak 2850+ (Third best in history) is still 2800+. Guki struggled against a declined 2720 ding. Only from a biased nationalistic sentiment is Gukesh a favourite.
Always really refreshing to see Fabi's transparency on the cheating problem.
"Ding plays a world championship now and again and chills the rest of the time" superb from Fabi
Much needed new C Squared podacst. Let's go Fabi at Tata Steel!
you know it
At 40 min: It should also be noted, that it's possible for someone like Fabi to play many cheaters, even if few people are cheating. That is because Titled Tuesday uses a Swiss system where players are paired based on the amount of points they scored so far. So even if only 2% of players are cheating in any given Titled Tuesday (obviously more have cheated over their lifetimes) those will be the 2% who perform very well and are likely to get paired against someone like Fabi. And with 800 players even 2% are 16 players.
Everyone could be correct here. It could be, that many players have cheated in the past, that few cheat in any given event and that top players are still constantly facing cheaters.
Great point
Great analysis well said
Great point, assuming there’s 2% cheaters, and assuming cheaters win every round and Fabi wins every round. Then he would have a 2% chance of facing a cheater the first round, 4% round 2, 8% round 3, and so on. Obviously these are big assumptions. Cheaters are sophisticated enough to only use assistance on occasional games, for occasional moves, in order to avoid detection, therefore this type of cheating does not guarantee a win.
But under these assumptions, he’s pretty much guaranteed to play a cheater every titled Tuesday.
@@Micleprechuani think the chances may rise faster because of draws.
So let's say in each round 40% of players win, 40% lose and 20% draw. Fabi and the cheaters win the first 3 rounds.
So there is a 2% chance in round 1, a 5% chance in round 2, a 12.5% chance in round 3 and then by round 4 there is allready an almost 30% chance. And obviously there are 11 rounds and we're talking about the probabilities of just any individual round. The chances for the whole tournament will be incredibly high.
Obviously this is extreme, since cheaters will not win every game, if they're not stupid. On the other hand it does make sense to win the first couple of rounds against unknown players in order to get a decent score to begin with without anyone geting suspicious about any of those games.
@@MartinMaier-g5t . Correct. People take an overly simplistic approach when they estimate the probability of facing cheaters. They forget to take into account that cheaters play many games so even if cheaters only make up 2% of the pool the probability of facing a cheater is much higher than 2% especially in closed events where the probability of facing cheaters rises as both the cheaters and the top players score wins and rise to the top of the event together.
I am an English teacher from Brazil and I showed Ding Chillimg to my students!
we got a past and a reigning world champion saying skibidi before GTA VI crazy
one of the reasons for a lack of solution to the cheating problem, is that the punishment for getting caught is not severe enough. its shocking 11/top 100 pro's have been caught and still play. Lifetime bans, you cheat, you forfeit your career.
11 confirmed cheaters in the top 100 is crazy.
confimed 11 but its clearly more than 11 :)
those are just ones who've been banned. then you have 2 specific players i have in mind who idk if they were banned but they did admit to cheating against 'cheaters' (booted up the engine midgame to interrogate the alleged cheater lol). so brings it up to 13 with KNOWN cases
I think it's not top 100; it's top 100 at different times, so it's less than 11.
@@boxofcans461 it's the current top 100, we just watched him pull up the list and count the names.
Plot twist: He was counting himself.
Next thing you know is fide will have to provide glasses for every prescription just to stop cheaters
At which point someone will figure out how to put the cheating hardware in a shirt button.
The thing Fabi touches on near the end is the biggest problem with cheating: at most levels, like 2200 and above (and that's conservative), having an alert when your opponent blunders would raise your win rate substantially (and the higher your level, the bigger the win rate increase from that). You could cheat that way *without ever receiving a candidate move or being suggested a line*. You only need to know "big eval swing," and as long as you're not stupid enough to pause / think for a uniform amount of time every time that happens, you *will* see a huge bump in your results, undetectably. It will simply look like instincts and the moves will only reflect your actual skill level (so no weird stockfish lines).
57:09 It was basically like if Fabiano Caruana had showed up to an event, but the intonation was different, and he said:
"I'm not Fabiano Caruana, I'm Fabiano Marihuana."
Anti cheating measure that works: have offline playing strength measurement for the top players - require this for titled tuesday if you want to enter. You go to a chess strength skill measurement booth and play and solve puzzles for a certain amount of time - this unique dataset is used to check against your performance online and OTB to detect anormalities in playing patterns. Combine this with data from OTB events where you are somewhat certain the anti-cheat measures have worked to prevent cheating.
I personally think the most funny aspect of the fake name incident is that the guy faked his name in order to pose as a peasant and win basically the national peasants sports festival 🤣
Fabi, hope this reaches you! Your commentary with Danny and Robert during the WCC was amazing. You guys nailed a balance of serious analysis and humor. I still go back to the clip where "everyone" saw a possible tactic, but Danny had you explain why it didn't work so "the audience" could see what you definitely all saw. It'd be awesome to see the three of you together again for the next WCC (if you're not the Challenger, that is!)
Fabi feeling lonely 18:58
Everybody else is playing rapid and/or blitz constantly whiles he's playing classical
On the topic of false positives at 35:39. It’s really hard to collect accurate data on cases of false positive cheat detection, because the only person who can know for sure, is the person who was falsely detected as a cheater.
You test vs a control, just like you would any test. Take a group of people, tell some of them to cheat, see how many you catch and how long it takes
@@arnontzori, but this doesn't account for smart cheaters. The problem that they're talking about is with professional players who will know to cheat in a better way and also less frequently to the average joe.
For Hikaru if it doesn't lead to a world championship or a huge money payout he is financially better off just streaming. Magnus just doesn't care anymore. He has multiple businesses he is involved in, just got married, has absolutely nothing to prove, doesn't need the money, and no longer enjoys classical anyway. So don't expect either of them to ever play tata steel ever again.
It´s interesting that Kramnik is wearing glasses.
O_O.....interesting
Just an observation, right?
And Fabii too...
not accusing...
To me is clear
14:35 No Vidit is not married yet.. he has wedding planned in April. Why is everyone confused 😂😂 You will see a lot of contentfrom chessbase India when he gets married😂😂😂
Probably because of the ceremonies at Vishy's place
@@MorphysinceC.E can you even read?
A lot is made of how long and exhausting this tournament is for the players. But it's much shorter than major tournaments of the past, like the famous 1971 Alekhine Memorial with 18 players won by Karpov and Stein, or the many Soviet championships that also had 18 players. Also all these cheating schemes with the glasses in playing halls involve electromagnetic transmissions, which can be blocked by enclosing the playing area in a Faraday Cage (it's easier to do than it sounds).
I don't think a Faraday Cage prevents electromagnetic transmissions within the cage itself. It is designed to be a barrier between the inside and the outside of the cage. If all the cheating hardware is contained in the glasses, a Faraday Cage wouldn't help.
I agree with you how much longer the tournaments of the past were. Imagine playing a 25 round double round robin. That is how grandmaster Ron Henley earned his title. Older tournaments had one difference and that difference was the adjournment. However one could argue that an adjournment is energy consuming and tiring. Not only were they longer In addition, it is also plausible that the competitors were in much worse shape physically. Many were smokers and had horrible dietary habits. After Fischer, many of today's players understand the need for physical activity and better diet.
Welcome to Wijk aan Zee, THE NETHERLANDS.
28:00 it was actually when you did that WC commentary and we got to know you as a person that I became a Fabi fan!!
I was going to say the same thing! Those skits made me a fan of Fabi. I'm happy he did them even though he didn't get paid extra for it lol.
Not seeing Ian, wesley, levon and mvl is weird tbh 😢
Problem is that there are money prizes in tournaments, and people who depend on that money for survival. Makes it obvious that professional players have to find every advantage possible. And it's very hard to beat cheaters without cheating. Make your own conclusions.
I don’t think many players livelihoods are relying on titled Tuesday money (which isn’t much at all), either way it’s disrespectful
I would certainly hope the security teams are already monitoring for wireless devices in the playing room.
The problem is as Fabi stated, it may come to a point you don't know what to do. As a fact that can be stated there will always always considerable percentage of people in all levels trying to cheat ,and the only thing stopping them is just they don't have the chance and if they have it they will cheat for sure. A funny story, I used to organize friendly blitz university tournament every week with symbolic gifts, and during covid it became online, I said I will cancel the gifts so no one tries to cheat, then there was always cheater, then I canceled the rating and made it casual games, also always some players cheating even though they get absolutely nothing. So imagine if there were money prizes, I think there should be strict scanning in OTB tournaments maybe even random checks during playing. as i am sure a lot will try it, specially in open tournaments its very easy to use.
At that point what you realize is that chess is not so important.
Listening from India 🇮🇳 to listen to Fabi love to Fabi. Yes they got paid(vishy n Gukesh) for it of course. All the best to Fabi for wijk and zee title.
11 out of 100. WTF. I thought they were 4 or 5
0:02 in and already love Fabi's unfocused cam. Plz don't ever change 😂
Fabi's cringiest, most ridiculous ads weren't those: It was the ones where he was interested in cryptocurrency. He might as well try to sell us on the can't-miss value of the Stafford gambit
Wait what?
Best chess podcast hands down 💪🏻
Everybody knows that the biggest threat to chess is blue Jeans...
It's a pity that a lot of the top players don't wanna play classical chess. This year's tata steel line up though strong, is definitely an A- or a B+
Okay Magnus gets a pass because he has mentioned his thoughts on classical and Naka is just shit scared of losing his 2800 rating so he doesn't play.
Definitely feel like FIDE should come up with a Rating Decay or something where if you don't play a single classical game or a min no of classical games for 6 months or something then it's like a -10 from your current rating. We have too many players in the top 20 who need to justify if they are even worthy of their rating since they have not really tested themselves in classical.
Agreed. But still the lineup is superb. Just imagine the year is 2030 and all these young players in Masters and Challengers would be Around 23-26 age group and would have developed significantly.
This Tata Steel round simply reflects how the future Chess world would look like.
Fabi, you have huge respect from mine, u are a real professional.
Respect and Good Luck in Wijk Ann Zee!
Truth is the online joke of chess players condemn Kramnik because deep down they are scared shite he's right!
Your content is excellent at exposing this huge problem plaguing our beautiful sport...thx C-Squared and my second favorite player of all time ( after Kramnik) Fabiano Caruana!
I don't think anyone is actually scared of kramnik. Yes he calls out alot of people who do cheat but he also accuses people of cheating who simply just outplayed him. He seen as a washed up insane man who is still somewhat capable at playing chess rather than a formidable force of law and order lol.
28:01 you guys haven't seen his Subway ad!!!!
Best of luck in Wijk aan Zee
Thanks!
Casual flex by Fabi at 10:55
Wow, German chess fed. canning an interviewer for asking about "Ding Chillin'" memes? I'm guessing people who make decisions over there are age 50+ only.
Is that the position at 6:36? How the hell did Nigel manage to lose that?
It would be good to hear Fabi's analysis of that first(?) game with Magnus.
hillarious that the AI cheater glasses are probably more reliable than the DGT boards
I don't understand why everyone is so scared of telling the names of cheaters. Especially considering that Caruana has said he is sure about those 11.
He probably just doesn't want to be directly involved in any drama that follows through after. And let's say there is a situation where someone mentioned isn't a cheater or there isn't sufficient evidence to suggest that they have cheated. It ruins fabi's credibility and he could end up in legal battles over defamation of character if they decide to sue. In a perfect world you would be right.
@TheUnknownWarrior the thing is he mentioned that they are confirmed cheaters, banned in certain platforms. If they were caught, why protect their reputation?
Fabi speaking about how he miss playing Magnus, Hikaru and the others in these classical tournaments is sad. Maybe we truly are in the endgame 😢
This is top stuff. Greatly appreciated and motivating
Ok, on the one hand cheating is so serious in general, on the other hand when Kramnik accuses someone specific then he is called crazy. I actually support him, but I'm in minority.
I don't think fabi has seen the subway ad
Yeah but this one is way funnier😂
Continuity is underrated in chess at the moment, IMO. When this post pandemic boom eventually winds down chess will need its ‘spine’ if that makes any sense. For mine traditional Classical tournaments like this are absolutely the heart and soul of the game.
Best of luck for Tata Fabi!
the massive boom in people getting into chess is already over
Caruana's subtle PC slander is pure gold ❤❤❤
10% of players willing to cheat and/or having cheated before doesn’t mean that cheating occurs in 10% of games.
so, instead of making a Berlin-draw or something like that Gukesh is sacking a knight in his first game...
This cheating nightmare doesn't end. It only gets worse.
Hey Hans, what about your contact lenses? Great piece of technology!
The one thing I'd say is that I think its not an unreasonable assumption also that at least some of the people who got caught cheaing wouldn't cheat in prize money events. I imagine theres a big difference in a lot of peoples minds between cheating when it matters and cheating because your tilted or whatever
80 and maybe 100 titled players cheating???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!?!?? in one event??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? sport is dooomed.
57:05 I read about that fake name, truly the Carlos Magnussen of fake names. And I think he had to do that because it was part of a game/sports meet for people living in rural regions only.
You have to assume that Chinese authorities acted in good faith. This might be a bold assumption.
That ad is quite good, i dont know why finding mistakes in every thing, i enjoyed it the most
Professional online chess is doomed 43:04
good channel. subscribed
Keep up the great work
20:00 Damn that’s a shame that she got sacked. I thought her question was great and Ding’s response was hilarious 😂
The biggest threat to the game of Chess is... Math.
Because Chess is a game with fixed rules and no random it's only a matter of time before some genius figures out how to solve it using math. The problem is how do you integrate math with Chess? That's the multi-million dollar question.
When it gets solved you should be able to apply a mathematical formula to the board (based on the pieces and their positions) to get the highest value move. The highest value move being the correct move to play.
That might be the biggest mathematical break through in all of history, considering the possible number of chess games is 10^120.
Where can we see the list?
fabi now can beat magnus in classical
So GM Kramnik is not so crazy after all..... If Fabi's assumption is correct. Every player playing in every Titled Tuesday. Is almost guaranteed to be paired against at least one cheating Titled Tuesday player.
when you abuse the report button with every chance u get ur bound to get it right eventually 😅
@@TheUnknownWarrior It looks like the only ones being abused is the honest Titled Tuesday chess players.
Players should play completely naked. Would help with the ratings as well and no more worrying about wearing jeans.
It would definitely NOT help with the ratings.
Don't forget Leinier, he's in his 40s
They did not recognise the best chinese player in the world.
Well, Well, Well...
Not sure whether I would still call it the Wimbledon of Chess. Norway Chess seems stronger nowadays
Why Alireza Firouzja is not in Tata Steel 2025? Was he not invited or he just declined?
Scared
Haven't you seen Subway ad with Anand?
Time for Fabi to put on Lens :)
I am 100% chess purist... Wijk is my absolute favorite chess event along with the Sinquefield Cup... I hate Norway chess format.
Myntra the brand Vishy & Gukesh were advertising for is owned by Walmart, so yeah, they would have made good money.
Fabi, you have one issue applying your set of assumptions about cheating to reach your conclusion. You note that charitably 10/100 of the top 100 players have ever been caught cheating. But then you say that this implies that 10% of the players in a titled tuesday event are cheating. The big issue with your logic is that someone who has cheated once is not necessarily cheating in every event they play. In fact, you can assume that those 10 top 100 players probably only cheated in a handful of events ever, having played something like 100+ money events.
I just wanted to clarify that if you think there are 50 people in a TT event who have ever cheated or ever will cheat, it doesn't mean that they are going to be cheating in this specific TT event. You would have to divide out their cheating across all events. Maybe they cheat 0.5%-1% of all events? Hard to estimate. But that implies that maybe 2-5 players in a given TT could be cheating. This number approaches the 3% benchmark of cheating that other people have noted.
As always, love this podcast. And 3% of cheating in a money event is clearly too high anyway.
The problem with statistics is that the assumptions are often wrong. If you keep working at it maybe one day you'll have a reasonable estimate.
Cheaters don't cheat in only 0.5%-1% of the events they play. That's just not in a cheater's nature. If someone is willing to cheat, and finally decides to do it, and then realizes he got away with it, he's not going to wait 100-200 more tournaments before he does it again. He'll just keep doing it, only restraining himself as much as he thinks he needs to to keep from getting caught. Virtually every cheater who has ever come clean and told his cheating story has described it pretty much this way.
@MrSupernova111 exactly some people tend to look at one set of data and arrive at some completely absurd conclusion
Magnus Carlsen vs. Magnus Carlson world championship match is gonna be lit
I would love to see Magnus Carlson appearing in the Candidates if he qualifies through World Cup. 57:10
Lets go fabiiii🎉
Blindfold chess solves cheating problem.
true but there's obvious flaws in that style of playing such as players just simply forgetting where some of their pieces are and then stumbling into blunders. Which is especially likely when they end up in complex positions where they need to calculate different move variations etc. Just seems impractical in a competitive setting
Ban glasses 🤷♂️ There are contact lenses
Cricket had a massive problem with cheating and match fixing, even to the point national captains were compromised. It would not be surprising if a similar problem is happening in chess, there is so much money in gambling (particularly in India).
#10 seed?! How?
Why are you not naming names of the know cheaters? Why do they deserve anonymity?
C-2 (B-2) dropped another bomb
People can play chess without glasses. You'd have to have very bad eyesight not to be able to distinguish between the pieces. Online, make the screen bigger and have accessibility options for those requiring help.
If you have a bad eye sight and wear glasses regularly, it would feel really uncomfortable without them
How do you know they're wearing glasses online?
@@weevil601face cam?
The Nijat Abasov principle, his best result is generally considered as much luck as skill to finish 4th in the 2023 World Cup and qualifying for the candidates. All the time he spent learning chess to be better than all but 50-100 people on the planet and he gets pretty much nothing out of it. The risk vs reward to cheat to beat Anish and Vidit in that tournament is absurdly in favor of cheating other than self discipline/respect. The $50k prize money for 4th in the World Cup and 24.5k Euros for 3.5 points in the Candidates vastly exceeds his career earnings from all other chess events. Being banned at 28 (at the time of the 2023 World Cup) is largely meaningless, there is no possible meaningful punishment since chess tournaments don't offer meaningful rewards to the 50th-100th best male player in the world without extreme amounts of luck. I have no reason to think Abasov cheated but other than his own principles there was very little reason for him not to cheat.
Vincent last in the tournament!
And then who using glasses to see will get an advantage 😂
Yeeeears of hearing ppl that the ones with glasses are smarter, now there is a reason
Niemann will f.p days to get thoose glasses 😂
No. The biggest threat to chess is match fixing and fixed draws as well.
Mutually agreed draws have always existed in chess. Match fixing is just cheating in a different guise.
match fixing is a threat in every sport tbh. You just have to hope the athletes have the sportsmanship to play geniuely to win
@@TheUnknownWarrior as we can see, fixing draws in professional chess is not even considered as something bad, which is ridiculous to me. And now even fixing Blitz Champtionship title is OK to players and FIDE.
I dont understadn whyy christian thinks galsses are a threat to online.I mean if you want to cheat ,as more than thousands of person do in a onth,you can do it simply by looking at an engine next toyou or in another tab essentially glasses are essentialy the same it is still the same engine not some kind of an engine which works differently.İf you are concerned about elite level chesscom events like champions chess tour intercolleges and wahtnot ı am pretty sure you can just ask players to show the brand of thier glasses as there is not that many players in those events
Tbf, many online chess events nowadays require you to have multiple cameras, so these glasses make it a lot easier to broadcast your game to someone and listen to suggestions without looking suspicious. But if you try hard enough, you can always cheat online anyway.
The people with the most to lose may be the best cheaters. How can you beat cheaters on a consistent basis to get to the top? I know Magnus is not cheating and I doubt Fabi is cheating but how do these people consistently beat cheaters?
Maybe coz the cheaters dont cheat always and maybe they cheat based on who their opponents are
I've seen people beat cheaters in blitz and low-rapid games by playing only to avoid exchanges, to get the game to the point where the cheater runs out of time to transfer moves between engine and board. I think that only works online though, where the cheater has minimal chess knowledge and the legit player KNOWS the other is cheating toward the beginning of the game.
fabi has a bomb on hit neck 💀
34:00 didn't love Christian talking over Fabi while he was trying to count, seemed a little rude and was a little annoying to listen to at the very least.
Yes this ! Cristian if you see this you’re doing great but please stop interrupting Fabi it’s so annoying when you do it
Invite Kramnik
Just a note - vidit didn't got married.
Fabi, you are my favourite player. Why dont you accept Hans's challenges? You have such a good score against him.
I play on a low level . and I’m sure 3out of five is cheating. i play on the 1200-1300 And they have around 90 in accurecy. Its almost impossible to advance :(