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  • @Alvin-we3mt
    @Alvin-we3mt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've been a ham for nearly 35 years, and I still learn more from Peter's videos than any other source. He makes learning painless.

  • @radiohamd3402
    @radiohamd3402 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good precisions on harmonics corrections and capacitor necessary! Thanks

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are welcome!

  • @se2702
    @se2702 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice Mr. Waters. Good information presented in a pleasant and professional manner. Outro music was nice too!

  • @dennisbauer3315
    @dennisbauer3315 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you Peter, another wonderful EFHW video, loved the music. A most pleasant Christmas to you, and family, and all your supporters, also. 73 from VK4JDJ

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many thanks and Happy Christmas to you.

  • @rjy8960
    @rjy8960 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Also put a high value resistor across the series cap to prevent static buildup in the DC isolated length of wire. Happy Christmas, all.

  • @thomashardy9994
    @thomashardy9994 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really enjoy these informative videos about wire antennas. I’ve been intending to erect a commercial EFHW 80 meter that I acquired a few months ago, but something has always prevented me going forward. Hopefully , I’ve gained enough knowledge to tackle this job with confidence and can understand the pitfalls. Thank you so much, and Merry Christmas.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Go for it! Happy Christmas and thanks for your support.

  • @mikesmith5139
    @mikesmith5139 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Peter. An excellent and very informative video. I love your musical performance at the end! Happy Christmas! Mike, M0MTJ

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Mike. Happy Christmas to you

    • @mikesmith5139
      @mikesmith5139 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks again Peter. One more thing.....You briefly mentioned the Yaesu FT-710. I'd love to see more of your thoughts about this new transceiver. Perhaps over the festive break? ✨️ 😊 🎉

  • @davem0udb
    @davem0udb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video, Merry Christmas Peter

  • @jonmcadams5401
    @jonmcadams5401 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Peter! I've had success using a 71' stealth non resonant end fed sloper, 9:1 unun, 50' LMR 240 coax, common mode choke at transceiver on all HF bands including WARC bands for QRP & 100 watt SSB DX, & 80/40 SSB nets. Antenna tuner is needed on 160 - 40.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. Happy Christmas. 73 Peter

  • @M7XCB
    @M7XCB ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've made lots of different end fed half antennas all works very well I've not done the 36:1 yet I will make it after new year it will be very interesting see how it performed for me. It been pleasure watching your videos this year I've learned some off things as we never stop learning with ham radio. Have good Christmas Peter.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And all the very best to you. Thanks for your support.

  • @clivedavies3
    @clivedavies3 ปีที่แล้ว

    merry christmas peter ive enjoyed watching all your videos and learnt a lot 73s from M7CLI

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, you too!. Happy Christmas.

  • @Marty48034
    @Marty48034 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your vids. So much wisdom. Appreciated! (Love the planes on the wall too.)

  • @keithmckinzie5926
    @keithmckinzie5926 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My first radio was purchased from Waters and Stanton back in the early 90's it was an FT- 290R. They were very helpful then as there videos are now some 30 years later.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for sharing

  • @ErikTheVikingMechanic
    @ErikTheVikingMechanic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great website it works well :)
    EFHW 20m long sloper is my best antenna. All of EU is easy and the USA and Australia when conditions are good QRP 10W.
    4m long counterpoise just hanging down side of the house

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for sharing. Sounds great.

  • @Paul-q3f8j
    @Paul-q3f8j ปีที่แล้ว

    My fun starts just after Christmas Peter, 80ft long garden45 ft wide & a Clansman150ft wire aerial, we bought this house with a huge garden, my wife said this garden should satisfy your hobby and her gardening hobby in retirement, I have had success, with end fed's sitting on top of the fence, so experiments will take place that is assured, if this fails I have 16 forty foot high trees, stealth all the way, Thank you for the video's Merry Christmas to you & Yours 73 Paul

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      What a great Christmas present!

  • @brian.7966
    @brian.7966 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use a 40-meter antenna end-fed 49 to 1 transformer in my 36 feet of garden. I ended up feeding it at the bottom of the garden, swr was well within 1.5 and lower. I do use a counterpoise which runs along the fence. I also use a coil for 80 meters. again swr well within 1.5. I did try putting the transformer as suggested by Peter at the House end fitted just under the eves, but all I got from that was SWR off the scale on all bands and the noise level well above the normal. It works very well in fact, the best antenna for my situation. The transformer is just off the ground, runs up a 25-foot fibreglass pole then runs up to my main mast and then on the the main chimney stack. Thank you, Peter.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds a good installation. Can't think why you had the problem feeding from the house end. Did you install a line isolator at the transceiver end?

    • @brian.7966
      @brian.7966 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thank you for your reply, yes I did put an isolator at the transceiver end.@@watersstanton

    • @brucecollins7216
      @brucecollins7216 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brian.7966 But did you Earth ground the far opposite end?

  • @vlfreak
    @vlfreak ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great and informative vid, peter! I run a EFHW for 40m in my yard at only ~6m or so in rough inverted L config, it works a treat for local and international contacts. Home shack is an FT 710AESS, which ive owned for just over 12 months now, a fantastic radio for beginner or advanced users, with plenty of features and latest technology at a reasonable cost
    I also run similar out portable, config depends on location and available facilitys, using an FT891 (another great unit!)
    Merry Xmas and happy New year from Downunder, Joel vk2moe

  • @charlieoscar09
    @charlieoscar09 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thankyou for the video and all you did in 2023 for the community 😊

  • @darylnd
    @darylnd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Highly informative, as always, Peter! I love your style.
    My challenge with the EFHW comes down to a question of where to string 67' of wire without getting in other people's way. I'm 100% portable because my QTH, both by its physical design and by its location in the city, is hopeless foe radio: blanketed by tall buildings, overhead power lines and other sources of interference everywhere. Most of the open space here in Silicon Valley is pretty popular and it can be hard to avoid the footpaths with the wire, but I do frequently chat with people who are curious about what I'm doing or who know what I'm doing.
    The 40-10 EFHW has been my sole HF antenna until now. I've just received the Hustler 20m and 40m Resonators, 54" mast, and a Tram triple magnet mount. I'll be testing them tomorrow, prior to a road trip on which I'll have several opportunities for POTA activations. Hustler advertise the mast itself as resonant on 6m. The EFHW will be in my kit, as well. Radio is the IC-705.
    Merry Christmas to you and yours! 73 de AE6DD, Daryl, California

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Daryl, great to hear from you. Yes a big problem in cities. You can load an EFHW and I will try and prepare a video sometime in the future.

    • @billryland6199
      @billryland6199 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't live in a city.

    • @darylnd
      @darylnd ปีที่แล้ว

      @@billryland6199 That sums it up, doesn't it?

  • @adyg6ad73
    @adyg6ad73 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I spoke to Brian last month on 20m SSB morning grey line. Just after 08:00 UTC. A lovely surprise to hear his call come back to my CQ 😊

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes I can imagine! He was on 40m CW again this morning, but only about 549.

  • @kc8wvg
    @kc8wvg ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks again for another informative video, Peter. I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas and a happy new year. KC8WVG 73'S

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, you too! Take care 73 Peter.

  • @blugoose86
    @blugoose86 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Christmas to you and yours also. Thank you de KA9TII

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Happy holidays! Thanks for your support from across the Pond.

    • @blugoose86
      @blugoose86 ปีที่แล้ว

      I really like the way it feels like I'm in the same room with you when you explain stuff to me. Thanks again.

  • @danielsteele7544
    @danielsteele7544 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just love u PETER.THANKS FOR EVERYTHING..WE ARE THE SAME IN SO MANY WAYS.THE GREATEST GENERATION.KD9MSF LAKE STATION INDIANA USA.LOVE THE GREAT INSTRUCTION AND THE PIANO MUSIC.I REALLY LOVED THE SPY COVERAGE FROM WW2 AWHILE BACK.IM A RETIRED ELECTRICAL TECH WITH 44 YEARS SERVICE AND HAVE JUST NOW FOUND TIME TO ENJOY HAM RADIO. LIKE THE SPITFIRE PICTURE ON UR WALL,WE OWE THEM SO MUCH..

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great to hear from you and thanks for your support. Yes the Spitfire is something special. 73 Peter.

  • @hamradiofun453
    @hamradiofun453 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Peter, I really appreciate you taking the time to give use some good information to chew on. 👍
    I pray all the best for you and yours for the new year and a very merry Christmas.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many thanks for those nice wishes. And the same to you.

  • @presidentspilot
    @presidentspilot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Peter!! You are such a pleasure to watch and learn!! Always British 'CLASS' on display, here!! Have a GREAT Christmas, Sir!! I am looking forward to many more videos from you in the future!

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      That is very kind of you. Have a great Christmas. 73 Peter.

  • @mi0lpo
    @mi0lpo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Merry Christmas Peter

  • @gogglet72
    @gogglet72 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video Peter. Very interesting information. Merry Christmas from m7dqo

  • @derekvargason
    @derekvargason ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I definitely need to learn the patience side of this hobby even though I’ve been having a blast. We get some high winds here in Alaska and before winter hit I took down my crude fan dipole to upgrade it and preserve it for next year. I’ve since gone to a chameleon endfed half wave they say is 160-10 but at only 125ish feet it’s really only an 80-10 witch suits me fine since I’m only a tech that it studying for general and extra. On this antenna I’ve set it up in a sloper going north to south, and a sloper the other direction south to north. Now I have all of the antenna at 35-30 feet in the air and still don’t get half the signals of my dipole at the same hight but ends sloping to the ground. None the less enjoy your videos and I’ve been having a fun time on 10m when it opens for me

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Antennas sometime defy logic. My dipole always outperforms my vertical . In the end, go for what works best for you! Thanks for your support. 73 Peter.

  • @dennisjoiner3717
    @dennisjoiner3717 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Though I'm in the United States I sure enjoy your channel. I'd love to be able to pop into one of your stores. I assume you have more than one. I've gone back to a 9:1 End Fed so I can get on Top Band. On 80 meters it's almost as good as my 135' Doublet. Oh, the End Fed is 117' long in an Inverted V over a Maple Tree. Merry Christmas and thanks for your wisdom.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many thanks for sharing. Happy Christmas to you.

  • @davidportch8837
    @davidportch8837 ปีที่แล้ว

    another really useful video Peter - I really appreciate all of your posts and learn all the time from them... Merry Christmas to you and the family...Dave G0KPZ

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many thanks Dave. Happy Christmas to you.

  • @andy2E0JIU
    @andy2E0JIU ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video peter 👍 hope you n family have a happy xmas n thanks for all your help and advice on your channel

  • @rfshortwaves
    @rfshortwaves ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Christmas and New Year to you

  • @Steve-GM0HUU
    @Steve-GM0HUU ปีที่แล้ว

    👍Good video, thanks Peter.

  • @pieterdutoit9642
    @pieterdutoit9642 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Peter, many thank on all it is very good and enjoyable, Pieter (zl1pdt) NZ

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Pieter, nice to hear from you..73 Peter.

  • @CamilleCullen-ow6qj
    @CamilleCullen-ow6qj 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great info, many thanks!!! Robert K5TPC

  • @wildbill1
    @wildbill1 ปีที่แล้ว

    With a 80m EFHW cut the wire in half and connect a capacitor of xxx value. the value will depend on where you want it resonant. i used a 270pf capacitor and it made it resonant around 3.900 ssb.your mileage may vary. thanks for the video pete.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have not trued the 80m version but the drawing from CQ magazine showed to cut the antenna at around 32% which would result in a different harmonic result. If your version works then great. All the best for Christmas.

  • @AlvinMcManus
    @AlvinMcManus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am using the 75' of coax as my counterpoise with a choke at the radio. Good SWR from 40-10. 17 is a little wonky though but still tunable with internal ATU on FT-710 and the G90.

  • @jimdavis5230
    @jimdavis5230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A half wave centre fed doublet cut for 80M and fed with ladder line is much simpler and works on all HF bands superbly. All you need is a 1 to 1 current balun or a balanced antenna tuner and away you go. No earth required and no RF in the shack.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But you do need to buy an ATU and balanced linedangling down the middle of the garden. An EFHW has none of that and for portable operation can be run out in minutes. Horse for courses I guess.

  • @ratsstuff1952
    @ratsstuff1952 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 20m long Resonant EFHW from UK Antenna's and it works well - i have 81 countries for my DXCC so far. Feed end atops a 8m steel scaffold pole and the other a metre over the chimney on my house. Fed with 213 with 10 clip on ferrites. It is as good as my old 13m vert, 40m full wave loop and various mono band dipoles. SWR is good on 40, 20, 15 and 10m bands.
    I use a TS590 and, if i used a cheap 'Max' chinese atu i can work 17, 12 and 80m bands If, like me, the wife has finally had enough and you are limited to one, reasonably stealthy, hf antenna you could do a lot worse.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Many thanks for sharing. Hap New Year.

  • @wshanney
    @wshanney ปีที่แล้ว

    The end fed half wave can also be considered the extreme case of an offset fed dipole. The actual transformer value only changes the amount of counterpoise a little. Merry Christmas from CA....W6QR

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes indeed. Have a great Christmas break and thanks for your input and support. 73 Peter.

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, that's the way I look at it, a very off-centre fed dipole.

  • @AlvinMcManus
    @AlvinMcManus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wouldn't mind winding my own except I have a tough time soldering the input to the SO239 without melting the insulation. What gauge wire do you recommend?

  • @radiotec76
    @radiotec76 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve got an 80 meter end-fed half-wave crossing over the roof of my house and a homebrew 49:1 unun, not a kit, because I enjoy building my own gear.

  • @Robert-ow7sz
    @Robert-ow7sz 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good interesting and useful discussion. Better than watching a 1940s BW movie. 😂

  • @redjohn20001
    @redjohn20001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video Peter you have nicely summed up the finer points of the EFHW antenna. I see some TH-camrs experimenting with a core of a slightly different form factor to get increased efficiency. What are your thoughts on that? Also would it be possible to wind the transformer with tapping points to give access to the different ratios in one transformer?

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A switched option would require both primary and secondary changes. Could be problem with losses. Check MM0OPX channel for core performance. He has done a lortof work on this.

    • @redjohn20001
      @redjohn20001 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking along the lines of a 8 to 1 unun taping of at 16, 15, 14, 13 turns on the winding to the antenna.

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@redjohn20001 Yes, some people have done that, with different screw terminals at different taps. Colin (MM0OOX) reckons a 56:1 with the fat core is best for him.

  • @dougdaniels
    @dougdaniels ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interested in your comments on EFHWs as I have three, two at home and one for POTA. Is a line isolator the same as a choke?

  • @ianharling9569
    @ianharling9569 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Home made L match and 160ft of wire is all I have ever used with a good ground and have worked the world.
    Merry Christmas and 73
    Ian G7HFS/PA3IKH

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s true Ham Radio. Happy Christmas to you also.

  • @ekbanjosworld4926
    @ekbanjosworld4926 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your videos, their all excellent!!! Very well presented!!! Thanks, but no thanks! I don't celebrate the PAGAN holidays!!!

  • @bodstrup
    @bodstrup 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is “Tap up 2 turns “ ?? Can you show a diagram please ?

  • @VeteranInThePhilippines-uy6uc
    @VeteranInThePhilippines-uy6uc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do your fiberglass poles have carbon fiber in them ?

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’r have details of the compound. They are very strong and non-conductive .

  • @donaldfriend8418
    @donaldfriend8418 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Would love to make a contact with you one day. 73 de NY3Z

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s my pleasure. Nice call sign. Happy Christmas. 73 Peter.

  • @shanerorko8076
    @shanerorko8076 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doesn't the counterpoise essentially act like a section of the half wave? Thus making it essentially an off centre dipole with a balun feed?
    Thanks.
    Shane VK1NME.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      No. Any change in feeder length or counterpoise added, has no effect on resonance. Thanks foe watching.

  • @maddog222333
    @maddog222333 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The comment about how the location of the feed point of an end fed antenna with respect to the ground and other objects changing the impedance at the feed point and thus the type of unun needed, reminds us that there is no “one size fits all” in antenna construction.

  • @Dan-56
    @Dan-56 ปีที่แล้ว

    Merry Christmas Peter 🎄! As an operator who does a lot of portable work, mainly SSB with 5-20w, I’ve throughly enjoyed your videos on simple antennas and antenna theory. Looking forward to more in the new year. 73 de WD4DB

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Happy holidays! Many thanks. 73 Peter

  • @Rubedo777
    @Rubedo777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been away from ham radio for 25yrs + Re educating myself because it’s changed so much. Un Uns Baluns windings…. bursts my head, because I’m not clever but my mind asks…ok, put that here, an X, on the EFHW… and it works… ok, why does it work? How does it work? The maths has to be easy to follow and the explanation in English not Greek. Btw, antennas are my thing but the sciences are not… I’d like to understand but somethings don’t gel… practical science and engineering, then see IF it I works… if not, why not… fix it!
    I’ve been watching your channel for some time and enjoy the subjects also your presentation, I’ve learned a lot from watching… un uns baluns ….. I’ll just have to try harder. Believe it or not my call sign starts G0…. How did I pass the license exam ? sheer brute determination and desire back then. Thank you.
    73

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great to hear from you and welcome back. Thanks for your support. Happy Christmas.

  • @KeepEvery1Guessing
    @KeepEvery1Guessing ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually, if that core that you dropped only broke into a few big pieces (rather than shattering into dust), you can glue it back together, and probably not notice the difference. After all, it5 was just powder glued together in the first place.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes you are right but unfortunately one of the pieces got thrown away in a clean up!

  • @RobertMacCready
    @RobertMacCready 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Off Center Fed (OCF) antennas are very convenient and they allow multiple bands of operation with a simple wire antenna which is fed off center.
    Not sure why this OCF dipole is not in the discussion. Plus, you don't end up "zapping" all your little furry friends in the area of your antenna.

  • @radioguy19510
    @radioguy19510 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you ship to Spain yet?

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As far as I Know we now can. I am working remotely at the moment and we are closed for Christmas. Send an email to Sales with what you are thinking of getting and they should get straight back to you.

    • @radioguy19510
      @radioguy19510 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@watersstanton Thank you.

  • @JohnR_ytbe
    @JohnR_ytbe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1300 miles was where to where?

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Should be 13000!

    • @JohnR_ytbe
      @JohnR_ytbe ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watersstanton ahh much more impressive!

  • @brianfields4479
    @brianfields4479 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well we'll, you embarrass me hi .yes simple ants and the greyline can produce great contacts, exactly as we had. 73.

  • @Andrew-bl2vo
    @Andrew-bl2vo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surprised to see lot's of 710's on the second hand market, what's? It's problems ?

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There is no problem as far as I know.

  • @redjohn20001
    @redjohn20001 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Peter. Using a capacitor to correct for the band slippage on an EFHW antenna. If you used coax as the capacitor and wired it length ways, that is the first part of the antenna wires to the centre of the coax and the remaining part of the antenna wires to the outer shield but at the other end of the coax effectively placing the coax in line and part of the antenna. Would this conceivably work?

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes in theory it should. Coax is a good way of inserting a capacitor. I have pondered this idea but it is something that needs to be tested as there would be interaction between overall length, length of coax and capacity needed. I guess a bit of cut and try. But it should work. Maybe I will try it sometime.

  • @billryland6199
    @billryland6199 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just do not connect the primary and secondary together. Connect the counterpoise to the low end of the secondary winding. No more common mode current.

    • @watersstanton
      @watersstanton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Then it is no longer an EFHw, but a W3EDP. which in turn is an OCF.