Homemade Abrasive Paste for Woodturners, Formula and Preparation
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En este video preparo pasta abrasiva para torneros de madera.
**In this video I prepare woodturners abrasive paste**
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I have a very similar process. I use diatomaceous earth, same thing we give our goats and the same thing as Tripoli but not from the Tripoli mines. I mix in a Tupperware floating in the hot water. It stays in the Tupperware and I use it from that container. Replenish as needed. I have not seen one of your videos in ages and realized that even though I have been subscribed, I had not clicked on the flag, Hope to catch up with you now. Cheers Jim Montana wood Art.
Hi my friend! Thank you so much for the comment! Yes, the bell is a good idea, I have been posting a bunch since the one you commented. Yes, diatomaceous earth is the name of the material, they called it Tripoli, because the big deposits found near the Lybian city. But in Home Depot, Lowes and other hardware stores you can find it in the pesticides section, because they use it as a mechanical insecticide, although it is totally organic and inoucuous for the human being. That is the beauty of this paste, the three elements, the diatomaceous earth, the mineral oil and the beeswax are food safe, so it is a great finish for kitchen ware. I am really glad you liked it! Cheers and keep yourself and your loved ones healthy and safe! Daniel
Hello Mr Vilarino. Today I followed your recipe (scaled down) for abrasive paste and I have just finished stiring it so the tripoli will remain in the suspension without dropping to the bottom. In 30 minutes I will be going to the shed to try it out. Thank you so much for your video and professionalism.
Hi Anthony! Sounds great! Let me know how did it work! Cheers! Daniel
Excellent Daniel. I will be making some myself for my woodturning. Incidentally, I am also expecting a parcel today and when your doorbell rang, I paused the video thinking it was my doorbell. I found out it wasn't when I answered the door and no one was there. many thanks.
Hi Dave! Thank you very much for your comments! Ha, ha, ha ,ha, Yes, I realized that the dorbell was caught up in the video, lol! I wish you the best with the paste, it has given me a lot of good finishes! Cheers! Daniel
Amigo, mi nombre es Humberto, yo estoy empezando a trabajar con el torno pero he visto tus videos y los encuentro muy importantes y de gran ayuda, saludos desde Canadá.
Hola Humberto! Se agradece, mi estimado amigo, que hayas visto el video y los comentarios. Me alegra mucho que los videos sean de ayuda! Espero que tú y los tuyos estén bien de salud y cuidándose mucho! Un gran abrazo! Daniel
Daniel i just came across your video, it popped up on my home pages. Perhaps because i wanted and did make beeswax paste/polish. Very interesting video and ah you tells what its used for. I make soap and appreciate this process and care to detail very much.
Thank you from An Australian older woman who is finding ways to keep mentally stimulated.😊
Thank you very much, my friend, I am glad you enjoyed the video! I am a woodturner and use this paste very often. I am also a chemical engineer, and chemistry, is very similar to cooking (I love cooking as well, hahahaha!) so in this video I got a bit away from my typical wood turning videos, the good thing is that the paste can be used for many applications. It is always important to keep yourself motivated, physically and mentally, so kudos to you! Cheers! Daniel
Thank you for sharing your wonderful recipe and using the metric system, almost universal, beats the old imperial systems! 👍👍🇦🇺🔭
Hi my friend! My pleasure! Cheers! Daniel
Daniel - thank you for this video and recipe. I used it and it worked just like you said. I’m a new wood turner and this is improving my finishing process. I used this to help me finish a black walnut/poplar pot. What a beautiful reveal of the wood. I’d share a pic but unfortunately the pot broke on the lathe just before I stopped polishing. I saved some of the pieces, and adored the beauty. I think I’ll make a coaster or a candle holder out of what’s left. Thank you again
Hi Gary! I am sorry that the pot broke, that is something that happens some times and it may be disappointing when you are almost at the end of a piece. But do not despair, the ones you finish will give you great satisfaction. I am sorry that it took me a while to answer your comment, I was in bad shape due to surgery and now that I began posting videos again, I am trying to catch up with old comments. I am glad the paste worked nicely. Cheers! Daniel
Thank you for this Daniel :) I've been making a very similar paste for a few years and it works really well. I use Rottenstone, Beeswax, Mineral oil and Bicarbonate of Soda. I will try your recipe soon, it looks great :) ॐ
Hi my friend! Yes, rottenstone also works well. I have a cylinder of it, but it is a bit darker, and that is the reason I have been using this tripoli that is lighter in color. It sure works nicely. Thanks for your comments! Cheers! Daniel
Now I understand :) I will try to get some tripoli and try it. Thank you Daniel :)
Good video. Try using a silicone food scraper and you will be able to get all of the mixture out of your bucket.
Hi my friend! Thank you very much for the tip, for watching the video and for the comment! Cheers! Daniel
Very nice thank you for sharing this with us
Hi Nicholas! Thank you so much, my dear friend, for watching the video and for your nice comments. Take care of yourself and be healthy! Daniel
Hello Daniel! I've made the abrasive paste from your original video and will forever be thankful to you. I use it on wood, acrylics, and CA finishes for pens & shaving brush handles. It eliminates the need for most of the micromesh pads which saves time and money, and at a fraction of the cost the brand name products sell for. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Jay! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your kind comment! I am glad the paste has been working well for you! Cheers! Daniel
Hello there, how do you use this paste with CA finish? Do you use it after sanding and before applying CA or do you use it to sand the CA itself?
I use it on the CA itself, after the first 2 MicroMesh pads then I polish with Novus 3&2, no need to use the other MM pads. You could probably replace the MM completely by wetsanding up to 1200grit. I always let the CA fully cure for at least 24 hours before sanding & polishing.
Hello Daniel. Really great instructions.
I know it is old video, but new for me, as I am getting into woodturning.
I am wondering if I could use linseed oil or even boiled linseed oil instead of mineral oil.
¡Muchas gracias!
Hi dear friend! Thank you very much for your comments. Yes, you could use probably both. The reason I use mineral oil is because it is transparent, does not add color to the wood and it is edible. If you use linseed oil and it is raw, not treated, it may take a long time to polimerize and the surface may remain oily for several days. But still should be food safe. However, if you use boiled linseed oil, be careful because they put in it catalizers that are metallic and can be toxic. That is the reason I use the friction polish recipe just for decorative items or for the external part of food containers. The recipe of this paste is food safe as it is, so if you modify something you have to make sure you are using a compound that is not dangerous. You can also replace the beeswax and use instead carnauba wax, which will give more shine and will last longer, or even a mixture of beeswax and carnauba. And carnauba is also foodsafe. Cheers! Daniel
Great presentation. Very informative and interesting. I needed this. Thank you for your wonderful presentation and your work to teach well.
Hi Sylvie! Thank you so much, my dear friend, for watching the video and for your nice comments. Take care of yourself and be healthy! Daniel
good job, i will try this
Hi Mike! Thank you very much my friend! Cheers! Daniel
Hola Daniel, muchas gracias para la buena explication y partir el receto. Voy a intentar de hacerlo - Saludos de Alemania
Hola Gunther! Muchas gracias, amigo mío, por ver el video y por comentar. Un gran abrazo! Daniel
Great video, Daniel! I made my own batch of abrasive paste and it seems to work ok. I did notice the mineral oil in the paste tends to darken woods like walnut. I have not tried on light woods yet.
While using the paste, I suggest wearing latex or nitrile gloves to avoid the oily feel on hands.
To change the smell of the paste, I used eucalyptus essential oil. It has a very pleasant aroma. Other essential oils could be used, as well.
Thanks for sharing the video and the recipe for the paste!!!
Hasta la vista, compadre!
Hi my friend! Thank you very much for watching the video and sharing your experiences. Always, when you apply some finish to sanded wood, it will darken a bit the color. It is just the sort of wetting effect. Although you can use the nitrile gloves, the components of the paste are not toxic. So if it is just for convenience, no problem. I think next time I make them I will get some essential oils to do that, the essence is pretty neutral as it is compared to other commercial products, but it will not hurt to make it smell nice LOL! Cheers! Daniel
Excellent video Daniel! Love how you explained each step and the ingredients. No mistaking how to make this paste and for a beginner wood Turner like me this is valuable and a huge money saver. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video!!
Dear Shawn! Thank you very much, my friend, for your kind comments and for watching the video! This paste has been, indeed, a real money saver for me and the results it produces are fantastic. Cheers! Daniel
Un grand merci pour cette recette bien présentée.
Hi my friend! Thank you very much for your kind comment! Cheers! Daniel
Thank you for sharing this information I don’t know why triple E is I will research it and find out again thank you very much
Hi Randy! Many thanks, my dear friend, for watching this video and for your comments! Triple E, is a paste basically made with Tripoli (Diatomaceous Earth) Actually, if you say Triple "E" and Tripoli, the phonetic is pretty similar, hahahaha! I guess that is the reason they call it like that. I suspect that instead of mineral oil, they use another solvent in their composition, because the smell is really strong. I hope you and your loved ones are keeping yourselves safe and in good health! Cheers! Daniel
Gracias Don Daniel por compartir el arte del torno e aprendido mucho soy Hernán de costarica este video de la cera es muy lindo pero me preguntó que si tienes un producto para tomar cafe.te o chocolate calientes cuando voy a una feria la gente me pregunta por un jarro para tomar los líquidos calientes gracias por compartir
Hola Hernán! Muchas gracias, querido amigo, por ver el video y por comentar. Por lo general, los recipientes que se usan para cocina (ensaladeras, cucharas, etc.) de madera, llevan terminación de cera de abeja o aceite mineral. Esto quiere decir que la parte que está en contacto con la comida o el líquido, no va a tener una terminación muy brillosa. El exterior lo podés terminar con lo que quieras pues no está en contacto con el alimento. En Argentina se hacen muchos mates (que son para yerba y agua caliente) en madera de roble y algarrobo. Hasta donde sé, no le dan mayor terminación que el lijado, del lado interno. El tema con la cera de abeja es que tiene una temperatura de fusión relativamente baja y a los pocos cafés que tomes, se la llevó totalmente el líquido, por lo que el efecto es como si no le hubieses puesto nada. Esta pasta abrasiva que hago, es usable en cosas que entran en contacto con alimentos, pero de nuevo el tema es que el calor va a derretir la cera y llevársela en la bebida (no va a enfermar a la persona que tome el líquido, quizás le cambie un poco el gusto a la bebida al principio, pero al poco tiempo la cera se fué y lo que queda es madera pelada. Por eso lo importante es el tipo de madera. Si son maderas como el roble y el algarrobo que usualmente se usan para este tipo de accesorios, no hay problema. Un abrazo fuerte! Daniel
@@DanielVilarino muchas gracias por la información pura vida
Daniel, great video, many thanks!
I made a batch up and am very happy with it. I have given some away and my friends are happy too.
I may make up a big batch and take it to give away at my woodturning club.
Do you have a view on how to make a lighter colour abrasive paste like the new Yorkshire grit?
I have a pent turner friend who says that this one can leave a slight stain to the wood. He says the new Yorkshire grit is better.
I assume it must be the Tripoli powder that causes the paste to become brown in colour. What could we replace it with to make a cream coloured one ?
Great work and many many thanks 😁👍🏻. I now have 3.5kg of it for about £15
Hi DIYJase! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your comments! And my apologies for the delay in answering, I have been a bit absent for the past months due to health issues and work issues. Hopefully, I will be able to get back to the lathe and the videos soon! I made a previous video to this one with the formula. Glynn Senior saw it and asked me if I minded if he took the formula and used to create his own abrasive paste. My intention was not to make money so I said sure, go ahead. And he ended up creating Yorkshire Grit. Now, I do not know exactly what type of abrasive he used, but I suspect it is microcrystalline wax and perhaps some synthetic abrasive which are white or clear in color. Of course there is a cost difference there. I use white wax pellets rather than the regular beeswax because the latter is a bit darker. Tripoli powder is also known as diatomaceous earth. You can find it in several tones. The one I buy at Home Depot is light beige. You have to be careful because some distributors sell rottenstone as diatomaceous earth and rottenstone is pretty dark. Cheers! Daniel
Hola Daniel, excellent videos. Can you tell me if tripoly is the same as rottenstone?
Hi Moises! Thank you for your comment my friend! Although there are some sites online that indicate they are the same, including an article by wikipedia, I do not believe they are. It seems that tripoli, also known as diatomaceous earth, is finer than rottenstone. Also, the coloration of the powder is very different. Rottenstone is almost black, while tripoli is light beige to light brown. Diatomaceous earth or Tripoli, diatomite or kieselgur/kieselguhr is a naturally occurring, soft, siliceous sedimentary rock that has been crumbled into a fine white to off-white powder. It has a particle size ranging from less than 3 μm to more than 1 mm, but typically 10 to 200 μm. Diatomaceous earth consists of fossilized remains of diatoms, a type of hard-shelled protist. While rottenstone may have some similar components, it has undergone a weathering process that is what makes it look like rotten stone, and has other components that give it the darker aspect and characteristics. Both are used as a polishing compound. Cheers! Daniel
@@DanielVilarino Thank you for your prompt and thorough replay. Wood turning is one of my hobbies and I learned a lot from your videos. Un abrazo.
Hi Daniel Can I use pumice Powder for this?
Hi Trev! Thank you so much, my dear friend, for your comments! Yes, you can use pumice, but there are several degrees of pumice, F, FF, FFF and FFFF. The one marked as FFFF is the thinner one. And still is coarser than diatomaceous earth (Tripoli), so the paste will be a little more aggressive. Also, pumice has a darker color and if used in light color woods that are porous, it can get in the porous and give some stains to the wood. It should not be a problem with darker color woods or with woods that are more compact. Cheers! And keep yourself and your loved ones healthy! Daniel
I used your recipe for this paste. Ordered beeswax from China - but it was dark, rather than the yellow/white I'm used to in Canada/US. The result was a dark grey/brown paste. It seems to work, but would I get better results using higher quality beeswax?
Hi Robert! Thank you my friend for watching the video and for the comments. Regarding the paste, I would say it all depends, as long as it does not stain your work, the color of the paste should not matter. The way I use it is to sand up to 400 or 600 grit, then apply the paste, rotate and use paper towel to distribute it and make it work, then rotate faster for a while, all the time working the paste on the wood, and then begin to remove any excess with clean paper towels until the paper comes out clean, at that point, really, there should not be much paste remaining in the wood. Now, if you work with lightly colored woods, like maple, ash, etc. and you notice the color changing substantially because of the paste application, you should probably try to find a lighter one with less impurities. I hope this helps! Cheers! Daniel
@@DanielVilarino Thanks, Daniel, you know your stuff. Your comments will help me in the future. Bob ( from Newfoundland, Canada)
Thank you, Daniel. Another excellent video!
Hi Paul! thank you, my dear friend, for the comment! Cheers! Daniel
Great presentation Daniel, thanks. Is it possible to use Carnauba Wax and Aluminium Oxide using the same process for French Polishing final stage, or is your paste fine enough for this?
Can’t wait to give it a go, thanks again, very informative.
Hi Martin! Thank you so much for your comments my friend. You definitively can use Aluminum Oxide substituting the Tripoli with it and get a paste that will have a finer grit. So far, I never had need for a finer paste than this one, this gives a really nice finish, although not that shiny and typically I finish the pieces with friction polish after the abrasive paste, anyway. I do not know about the Carnauba wax, it has a melting point higher than the beeswax so it is a matter of experimenting and see what happens. My guess is that it should work fine, just will take you a bit longer to melt it in the double boiler method. And perhaps the proportion of mineral oil to carnauba wax has to be modified depending on how creamy or solid you want the paste. Cheers! Daniel
Daniel Vilarino No problem, thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I’ll make up a batch of your polish first and try it on the Shellac. You’re correct, I may not need anything finer and just need to experiment. You have provided a very good basis for me to start from. Thanks again. All the best.
Thank you Daniel! This was very helpful!
Hi my friend! I am glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers! Daniel
Thanks for this! I did a single batch with can similar in size to those you use. I set the can in a skillet to melt the wax, carefully added and stirred the ingredients until melted/mixed. Then removed can and stirred until cooled. This has cut 80% of my sanding on stoppers, pens and crochet hooks. I haven't turned a bowl yet to try it on. I also used the food-safe diatomaceous earth from Amazon that you linked to.
Hi Rick! Thank you for your comment my friend! I hope the paste gives you excellent results. It has worked beautifully for me! Cheers! Daniel
enjoyed your demo i will give it a try thanks for sharing
Hi Sheehy! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your comments! And my apologies for the delay in answering, I have been a bit absent for the past months due to health issues and work issues. Hopefully, I will be able to get back to the lathe and the videos soon! I hope the paste will be as useful to you as it has for me! Cheers! Daniel
Love this video, made myself a batch, worked perfectly, the guys at The Men;s Shed love it. Cheers
Hi Darryl! Thank you so much, my dear friend, for your kind comments. I am glad it worked well! Cheers! Daniel
Thanks Daniel!
We use a cheap small crockpot ($9.95usd). It takes a little longer, but there's less risk of a fire. You also don't need to clean the kitchen after 😀
Hi my friend! That sounds like a good option! Cheers! Daniel
Buenos días, no sé que es eso que llaman Trípoli, pregunto, se podrá usar talco?, polvo de mármol?, cáscara de huevos pulverizados?, gracias.
Hola Luis! Aprecio mucho, querido amigo, que hayas visto el video y dejado un comentario! Al trípoli también se le conoce como tierra de diatomeas o tierra de diatomáceas. Es un mineral que se obtiene de depósitos de microorganismos microscópicos fosilizados que tienen la característica de dejar caparazones que son muy abrasivos. Como una de las minas más importantes está en Tripoli, Libia, se le conoce también por ese nombre. Se puede usar polvo fino de piedra pómez (FFFF) pero la cera quedará un poco más abrasiva. Las cáscaras de huevo tienen un pequeño efecto, muy suave, abrasivo. Lo mismo con el polvo de mármol. Un abrazo muy fuerte! Daniel
Thanks Daniel, I have tried this and it is really good and very cheap. I also swapped the stone for carnauba wax and this made a fantastic microcrystalline finishing wax.
Hi Graham! Thank you very much, my friend, for watching the video and for the kind comments. I have to try the carnauba version. I have some at home and it would make a nice food safe finish. Cheers! Daniel
So, are you removing the beeswax as well or just the tripoli? Does it make it too hard with the carnauba wax and the beeswax?
Very well done, Daniel. I’m going to make a batch right away! Thanks.
Hi Tom! Thank you my friend! I hope it gives you the same good results that it gives me! Cheers! Daniel
Excellent tutorial.
Hi Nathan! Thank you so much my dear friend! Cheers! Daniel
Hi Daniel. New turner, new visitor and new subscriber. Great idea for making an abrasive paste for finishing. It's interesting to note that diatomaceous earth is sometimes used by beekeepers to kill ants around their hives. It gets between their exoskeleton joints, cuts through, and they basically bleed to death. It's also good for killing fleas and other hard-shelled insects but completely safe for humans. Wouldn't want it in my eyes or nose though. So it's best to wear protection 😬
Hi Don! Thank you very much for your comments and for subscribing to the channel! Welcome! Yes, it is innocuous to the human being and domestic animals (as long as you well say, not inhaled or in the eyes) but a real killer for pests. That's the reason I use it for this paste, so if you finish something with it, because all the components are food safe, you can use it for placing food on dishes or bowls. It will require somehow a periodical maintenance though. Cheers! Daniel
Daniel Vilarino Daniel, thank you for this and all your informative videos, I have enjoyed all of them, keep up the good works. I have a question, what size are the tins and where did you order them?
Hi Ed! Thank you, my friend, for your kind comments. I have tins of 4 ounces and 8 ounces. I got them through amazon.com. If you do a search for 8 oz tins with lids, you will get a bunch of vendors and options, with threaded lids, with pressure lids, then you can search as well for other sizes. Cheers! Daniel
Love it. Sand and finish up with homemade sanding paste.
Hi Tom! Thank you very much for watching the video and for the comment! Cheers! Daniel
Excellent instructions.
Hi Clive! Thank you very much my friend. Cheers! Daniel
Daniel, this was a great video. I really enjoy your videos. They are very instructive and entertaining. Please have a safe and enjoyable trip to Argentina. Will look forward to you sharing your experiences.
Hi Bill! Thank you so much, my dear friend, for your kind comments and for watching the video and also for the good wishes for the trip! Cheers! Daniel
Yet another brilliant video from you. Thank you.
Hi Peter! Thank you, my friend, for a very kind comment! Cheers! Daniel
Amazing i will be making some it will save me a fortune thank you for posting this video
Hi Phil! Thank you, my friend, for the comments! That's the idea, to save a few bucks, cheers! Daniel
Thanks for the info. I think I will try a batch of both and see what happens. Thanks again.
Sure thing! Let me know how it goes. Cheers! Daniel
Thanks Daniel. Another enjoyable and informative video.
Cheers,
Ben (UK)
Hi Ben! Thank you very much for watching the video and for the comment! Cheers! Daniel
Daniel I got the mineral oil and the bees wax. But the last ingredient I couldn’t make out what it was. Could u please send it through this message process so I could read it? Sorry for not being able to make it out. Thank you!
Dear Zetus Kid!
The other component is Tripoli powder, also known as diatomaceous earth. You can find it in Home Depot.
www.homedepot.com/p/Harris-64-oz-4-lb-Diatomaceous-Earth-Food-Grade-100-with-Powder-Duster-Applicator-DE-FG4P/302451952
You can also look for it in amazon.com using in the search diatomaceous earth food grade.
The advantage of it being food grade is that both the bees wax and the mineral oil are food safe, if the tripoli powder is also food safe, you got yourself a paste that will give a finish to bowls and other items that will be non toxic.
I hope this helps. Cheers! Daniel
Thank you.. as a old man I have turned for 45 years.. I wonder if your tripoli is like volcanic ash..grid is between 4 to 8000.. it’s finer than pumice..again than you for your efforts☺️👍😁
Hi Terry! Actually, Tripoli is also known as diatomaceous earth. It is not the same as volcanic ash. You can find it in Home Depot as Diatomaceous Earth or get it from amazon.com. Cheers! Daniel
Daniel,
Thank you for you prior reply. If I can ask another question: Have you considered adding pumice or making a more coarse paste with pumice?
Thanks
Hi Robert,
Yes, my friend, you can use pumice, but if you do, use the FFFF grade otherwise it will be too coarse. I generally sand up to 400 or 600 anyway, so I have been using the one with Tripoli, the effect is like sanding up to the range of between 1000 and 2000 grit. Pumice probably will leave you between 400 and 600. Best regards, Daniel
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Thanks Daniel, I’ve ordered the diatamatious & bees wax. Thanks.
Hi Danial do you think instead of using mineral oil you could use BLO boiled linseed oil and would it make a difference? Or half mineral oil and half BLO?
Hi my friend! I am not sure if the BLO will stay liquid in the paste for too long. BLO in contact with air begins to polymerize. Eventually, that would render the paste unusable. Mineral oil never polymerizes, so is perfect to keep the paste, well, a paste. That's why if you apply BLO to wood, after a while the surface will have a coat, shiny, that you can polish, and will last a long time (depending the use of the piece, but if it is decorative, I would say forever), while if you apply mineral oil the protection is only for a short period of time, because eventually will get out of there, it does not adhere to the wood. The paste has three components, the mineral oil is a transport mechanism to keep it a paste, the diatomaceous earth (Tripoli) is the abrasive and the beeswax, provides the counterbalancing point to the mineral oil, so that is not that liquid and also provides some level of protection to the wood. I hope this helps. Best regards, Daniel
Daniel Vilarino Thanks explains a lot!
Fantastic my friend . This will save me a lot of money 💰
Great video, very informative. And, let me say, you have a beautiful home. I will definitely be giving this a try. Thank you for sharing.
Hi Mark! Thank you, my friend, for watching the video and for the comments! I will pass your other comment to my wife, she is the one responsible for decorating the home, she will love it! Cheers! Daniel
Hola! Great presentation as usual but what is the advantage of your paste over using the Beal buffing system .... Tripoli, White Diamond and Carnuba wax. Thanks .. Montana Wood Art.
Hi Cracker Jack! Thank you for watching the video and for the comments. The Beal buffing system is a full fledged finishing system, from the tripoli initial abrasion, to the white diamond finer abrasion and the Carnauba final layers of finish. The abrassive paste can give you a sort of satin finish, but it will not protect the wood the way the carnauba wax will. That's why most of the time I follow up with friction polish. I would say that the advantage is that it does not require all the set up you have to do with the Beal system, putting the wheels, etc. And you just apply it directly on the lathe where the piece is already holded. In the Beal you have to be extra careful of not getting the piece grabbed and shot off your hands. One nice thing of this paste, also, is that if you leave it there, the finish is food safe. Like everything, you get some advantages and some disadvantages, Tripoli leaves the surface very nice, but white diamond works even further on the surface the Tripoli left. By the way, you can do the same paste replacing the tripoli by Aluminum Oxide powder for a finer abrasive paste, sort of the next step in the process, And you could then apply carnauba wax to complete the finish. Cheers! Daniel
Thanks Daniel for your comprehensive answer. I watch all your videos and enjoy your accent, which takes me back to the days I worked in Spain. I agree with you about holding the work piece as I have lost a couple of pieces by catches on the Beal buffing wheels. I think Ill take your recipe but do half with Tripoli and half with Aluminum Oxide. Montana Wood Art.
@@crackerjack3359 Thank you for watching the videos. I have been trying to shake the accent off, and even after been in the US for the past 27 years, it seems impossible to me, lol, so I gave up, as long as you guys understand what I said, I am happy!! Remember that Aluminum oxide is a white powder, so if you are using the mixture on dark, porous, woods, it may give you some trouble in getting in the pores and contrasting with the dark color. Otherwise, should work fine. Cheers! Daniel
Hi Daniel. I moved to the US 35 years ago and I am still easily recognized as a Yorkshire man because of my strong accent too. Variety is after all, the spice of life.
@@crackerjack3359 Absolutely my friend! Cheers mate! Daniel
Enjoyed your video. I think I will give it a try.
Daniel: Great job! Does the Tripoli break down as object turns to a point where it no longer abrades, and just sort of disappears?
Hi Ned! Thank you, my dear friend, for your kind comments. I apologize if I have been a bit late in answering your comments. Unfortunately, since mid 2018, I have been suffering several health issues (major surgery, back problems, etc.) that have kept me away from the workshop, video editing, and answering your comments. I am trying to get healthy again to come back to these activities that I enjoy so much and re connect with the community. Now, going to your question, Tripoli does not break down too much, and you will need to use paper to remove any excess of abrasive paste from the bowl. Cheers! Daniel
I have a 12 oz box of grey rottenstone. Is this the same as what you are using and/or do you think this would work . I would probably only make 12 - 16 oz.
Hi David! Thank you, my friend, for watching the video and for the comments. Rottenstone is not the same as Tripoli, although rottenstone may, sometimes have a little of Tripoli in the mix. Rottenstone is weathered limestone that looks like it is crumbling apart (since that the name rotten) and contains a source of silica, which may or may not be tripoli, but can be also amorphous silica or crystalline silica. Tripoli are the fossilized shells of diatomaceous algae. Tripoli is also known as diatomaceous earth. Since close to Tripoli in Lybia there are large deposit hence the name, but can be found in other parts of the World. For some reason I cannot understand some companies, specially Behlen, sells rottenstone as Tripoli. While Tripoli has a light beige color, rottenstone goes from dark grey to almost black. Although both are abrasive, the problem I find with rottenstone for the paste is that can get into the grain of porous light colored woods leaving the wood looking like dirty. Otherwise, they should operate the same way, the same goes for pumice, although pumice has a coarser grain. Let me know if you have any other comments or questions. Cheers! Daniel
Thankyou very much for this video Daniel.I will definitely be making some of this!😀
Take care my friend,Keith
Hi Keith! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your kind comments! I hope you like the paste, I have been working with this formula for years and never failed me! Cheers! Daniel
Thanks for that mate. I'm going to make some tomorrow.
Hi Noel! Thank you, my friend, for watching the video and for the comments. Good luck for the preparation! Cheers! Daniel
It worked a treat Daniel, thanks again mate.
I am so glad to hear that my friend! Cheers mate! Daniel
Very informative, thanks much for the info. I gave subscribed.
Hi Thomas! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your kind comments and welcome to the channel! Cheers! Daniel
Daniel! I finally got around to making this paste and applying it to my first ever segmented turning! I gotta say it turned out really nice. I do have some questions though as to how it compares to yorkshire grit. I feel like yorkshire grit is better at being a sanding paste as it doesn't leave behind anything after it's polished and wiped off while this paste will leave behind a coating of the beeswax. Do you think they're both intended to be used in the same way?
Hi Ron! I am glad, my friend, that you were able to make the paste. Glynn Senior contacted me when he saw my first video about the homemade paste. He asked me if I minded if he used a similar formula to develop his paste (Yorkshire Grit). I do not know, 100% the composition of Yorkshire Grit, but I think it has a similar composition to my homemade paste with, perhaps, some variation on the type of abrasive he uses. I heard several times from their advertisement, that the paste keeps breaking down to finer and finer particles. My guess that is the micro-crystalline wax. I am not sure if their paste uses any other abrasive. The homemade paste you need to use clean paper to remove the excess. The wax it may leave behind does not interfere with any other finishing I have used, except the CA glue finish. And I suspect the Yorkshire Grit will have the same issue. The homemade paste is a finish in itself, but not a very persistent one. The homemade paste, if you use a dark wood, for example, you will see that does a great abrasive job, you will see that the paper you are using takes on the wood color as a consequence of microscopic wood particles left there from the abrasion. But, without knowing exactly Yorkshire's Grit composition it would be difficult for me to compare. All the above are just assumptions based on my experience as a Chemical Engineer. Best regards, Daniel
Voy a hacer mi propio seguimiento de tu receta. Pero dado que vivo en el desierto cerca de muchas compañías mineras, me pregunto si puedo encontrar polvos locales y baratos para usar. Muchas Gracias!
I'm going to make my own following your recipe. But since I live in the desert near many mining companies, I'm wondering if I can find local and cheap powders to use. Thank you!
Hola Dame Pasty! Muchas gracias por los comentarios y por ver el video. La receta funciona realmente muy bien. El polvo de piedra pómez tamizado a lo más fino que se pueda es un buen sustituto. Un fuerte abrazo! Daniel
Great video Daniel, I'll try and source the ingredients and have a go some time especially if the wife has gone out for the day because the last time I used her kitchen, I used the microwave to dry some wood and it started to smolder ! henceforth old Bram was banned from the kitchen and had to buy a new microwave................She did forgive me eventually and does laugh about it now :)
Take care, Bram
Hi my dear friend! Yes, I know what you mean, last time I used the microwave it did not burn but still left a nice heated wood smell in the kitchen for several days :). I think I will tell my wife I will buy her a new microwave if she let me the old one for my workshop :) Cheers! Daniel
Great Vid Daniel must try it any idea what the grit would be 1200 ? just out of interest
Hi Tony! That, my friend, is a really good question, and I do not have a definitive answer. That said, the result of the surface after applying the paste is similar to a grit around 1200, so you were right on the bulk part. Cheers! Daniel
Thanks Daniel! I will give this a try. I hope you are having a great recovery! Just subscribed. Thank you for doing videos in two languages. Very helpful!!! I’ll be watching more videos soon.
Ron
Hi Ron! Sorry for the late answer to your comment! I am glad you liked it! Cheers! Daniel
Which is Better - Diatomaceous earth or Tripoli?
Hi Jeramiah, Thank you, my friend, for the comment. Tripoli is Diatomaceous earth. They are the same thing. Large deposits are found in Lybia, close to Tripoli, and thus the name. But they can be mined also in others parts of the world. Cheers!
Hi Daniel always worth waiting on your videos coming out, you make it look simple, even tho I can't boil an egg I shall try this.cheers my friend Ross
Hi Ross! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your kind comment. I, actually, being a chemical engineer by education, love cooking, so I really enjoyed this one! Cheers! Daniel
Daniel! It's been awhile! Good to see your post. Informative as always.
Hi Don! Yes, indeed, my friend! I have been kind of busy preparing for the Symposium but also with some health problems that kept me from the workshop and from editing. But hopefully they might be solving themselves. Cheers! Daniel
As good as good gets! Question: Have you ever tried automotive rubbing compound (diluted)?
Hi James! Thank you very much, my friend, for the comment and for the information. No, I have never tried rubbing compound. I will see if I can get my hands on some. Cheers! Daniel
Great video. Thanks for the info.
Hi Mark! Thank you very much, my friend, for the comment! Cheers! Daniel
Again Daniel a very well presented and intuitive video thank you my friend! Enjoy Mendoza :-)
Hi Russ! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for watching the video and for the kind comment! Cheers! Daniel
Hello Daniel from the UK when you make up the next batch could pour the mix into the tins just before the mix goes thick that way you could save the mix that stayed in the big pot, just a thought Daniel either way it is a lovely paste and I really enjoy all of your videos you are so relaxed.
Hi Roger! Thank you, my friend, for watching the video and for the comments. Yes, I though about doing something like that but the deal was that then I would have to stir 12 small cans. I though even of doing some sort of system in the lathe to keep several cans rotating while the paste is forming. At the end my wife suggested the idea of the big bucket and worked fine, I just should have put a itty bitty extra of everything to get the full 48 ounces. In any case, I will produce more soon I bet, so no problem. Thank you for the suggestion! Cheers! Daniel
Can i use boiled linseed oil instead of mineral oil?
Hi my friend! Thank you for watching the video. The homemade abrasive paste is a nontoxic finish or complement of the sanding process. I have never tried to replace the mineral oil by boiled linseed oil, because the BLO has catalyzers that may be toxic. Otherwise, I do not see any reason why you cannot replace one by the other. The BLO is a fast drying oil (naturally and even more so because of he catalyzers). The mineral oil tends to remain a bit wetter. In the paste its function is more transport and wax dissolvent than finish. The BLO probably would add the paste a more finishing characteristic. Cheers! Daniel
@@DanielVilarino i have home made blo and its food safe.The reason is that i cant find mineral oil in my country.
Hello Daniel, new subscriber here. Love your videos! I have a question on whether this paste could work under CA glue finish. If I sand to 400 or 600 then use this to sand further, can I then apply CA finish on top of it or will it react somehow with the CA?
Hi Ron! Thank you for watching the video and for the comments and welcome to my TH-cam channel!! I generally do not sand so fine to apply CA glue finish, so I do not apply the paste as a final step. The CA glue will generate its own plastic film, and then you will have to use micromesh to give it the nice shinny effect. So there is no need for the abrasive paste, and, besides the wax in the paste could interfere a little, although never caused me problems when applying friction polish. Hope this helps! Cheers! Daniel
Thank you so much, Daniel, for a very interesting video. For a moment I thought you were making a video on cooking:) Have a great trip to Argentina.
Ha, ha, ha, ha! Yes, I like cooking, but it was just a way to star the video. Maybe in a future I can combine a woodturning with a cooking video! Thank you, my friend, for the comment! Cheers! Daniel
Awesome video, I’ve made some myself and with your permission I’d like to link to your video? Kind regards, Colin
Hi Colin! Thank you, my dear friend, for your comments! My apologies for getting back to you so late. I have been recovering from my surgery and I did not spend too much time sitting on the computer. I am just catching up with old comments and messages. I do not have any problems about linking the video in yours, thank you! Cheers! Daniel
Daniel Vilarino I’m glad you are getting better. Thank you, I made the paste and love it. I’ll soon be uploading a video including this along with some gifts for friends.
Thanks for the video. How do you apply your paste?
Hi Arcady Genkin! Thank you very much, my dear friend, for your comments! And my apologies for the delay in answering, I have been a bit absent for the past months due to health issues and work issues. Hopefully, I will be able to get back to the lathe and the videos soon! Regarding your question, I sand through the grits up to 400, then apply the paste rotating slowly, evenly in the surface, then I accelerate the lathe and let it work for a while applying pressure. Finally, I remove all the excess until the paper towels come out clean. Cheers! Daniel
Nice! How does that compare to the yorkshire grit?
Hi Willem, thank you for the comment my friend. I spoke with Glyn Senior when I first published the formula. He based Yorkshire grit in my original homemade abrasive paste formula, the same I presented in this video, with a few modifications. I believe he probably used micro-crystalline wax in his formula. Now, I never used Yorkshire Grit, so I could not tell you for a fact how it compares, but I would venture to say that they should work similarly. Cheers! Daniel
I use yorkshire grit a lot. Love the stuff. Making something myself would be a cost saver mostly. The grit is using rottenstone which is darker in color, so that might be an issue on lighter woods, havent tested that though.
Daniel, how about using diatomaceous earth instead of
tripoli powder?
Hi Michael! Thank you very much, dear friend, for watching the video and for the comment! The Tripoli powder and the diatomaceous earth are exactly the same thing. So, yes, please use that. Cheers! Daniel
Daniel, for your information, you can buy diatomaceous earth at your local pool store for a fraction of what Tripoli costs on eBay or Amazon.
It's my understanding that the pool version of DE contains other ingredients and is not food safe...
What grit of aluminum oxide would be a good replacement for Tripoli?
HI Zarra! Thank you for your comment my friend. Aluminum oxide comes in a large range of grits reaching almost 500,000 which is, indeed extremely fine. Tripoli powder is considered to be between 800 and 1000 grit. So, you will have to find an aluminum oxide of about 1000 grit to be at the same level. One thing to consider is that aluminum oxide is white and so, you have to be specially careful when applying it to porous dark woods like black walnut, because it may stain the wood. I hope this helps! Cheers! Daniel
Thank You.
Hi my friend, my apologies for answering after so much time. Last year was a tough one for me in health issues and now I am trying to catch up with old comments. I am glad you liked the video. Cheers! Daniel
daniel where do you get the tripoli,,
Hi Jeff! I got it from Home Depot, the label is Diatomaceous Earth and it is in the section of insecticides cause it is used as an organic insecticide since it is not toxic but kill ants mechanically by abrassion. Best regards, Daniel
My husband is having a hard time understanding what he is saying that's in the little brown bag. Can someone please help us out? Thank you.
@@MarySmith-wt5hu Hi Mary, Thank you for your question, the powder in the bag is known as Tripoli, also as diatomaceous earth. It is an abrasive powder used many times in organic agriculture as a mechanical insecticide, non toxic. Cheers! Daniel
Hi Daniel, que buena video. Saludos de mi canal
Hi Andreas! Thank you so much my friend! Cheers! Daniel
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Muchas gracias, apreciado amigo, por ver el video y por el comentario. Un gran abrazo! Daniel
I’m chasing the ingredients and am coming up dry for Tripoli. I’ll keep looking but if you would be so kind as to give me a source, I’d appreciate it.
Michael Hunter amazon... diatamatious earth... same thing. Get the food grade it is white
Greg Dowden thanks. I finally found the Tripoli, yours is much cheaper! Neat!
Michael Hunter I contacted hi last year for this recipe and had a hard time finding it. After some research found out that it is d.e. it's sometime called Tripoli because that is one of the places it is mined. I Love this stuff and use it on most ofmy work. I bought a large glass jar with lid from dollar tree and made may batch in it. I changed the formula a little after I used it the first time and I just put my glass jar back in the boiling water, remelted it and added what I needed. As soon as it was done I put it in the freezer for about 30 minutes. Good luck
Hi Michael! Thank you my friend for watching the video. Where do you live? If it is is USA, go to the Home Depot and ask for Diatomaceous Earth, it should be in the section for insecticides (it is an organic insecticide) that, my friend, is tripoli powder. Do not get nervous because it is in that section, the insecticide function is because of its abrasion. You can get food safe diatomaceous earth in amazon.com. Check this link>
www.amazon.com/Diatomaceous-Earth-Food-Grade-10/dp/B00025H2PY/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1509659669&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=Food+safe+diatomaceous+earth&psc=1
10 pounds at 20 dollars is really cheap. Let me know how that goes. Cheers! Daniel
Hi Greg! Thank you my friend. Yes, Diatomaceous Earth is the same thing. Here is a good link for a 10 pound bag for 20 dollars:
www.amazon.com/Diatomaceous-Earth-Food-Grade-10/dp/B00025H2PY/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1509659669&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=Food+safe+diatomaceous+earth&psc=1
Cheers! Daniel
Ahh! EEE, I get it.
Ha, ha, ha, ha! Yes, they did a nice word play triple e sounds like tripoli. Do not tell anybody, but this homemade formula smells much nicer ha, ha, ha, ha! Cheers my friend! Daniel
A question was posted yesterday (11/1/17) on the Penturner's forum . The subject mentioned 'homemade ultrashine' but the question is really about homemade TripleEEE or abrasive paste. The question related to staining caused by the abrasive paste. Here's a link to the discussion: www.penturners.org/forum/f28/homemade-ultrashine-grrrrr-151221/
Hi Louie, Thank you, my friend for letting me know about this. Yes, rottenstone and tripoli are not the same thing, although Behlen sells the rottenstone as tripoli they are different compounds and the color is really different. The rottenstone is dark grey, almost black. The Tripoli is diatomaceous earth and it should be very light tan color, that is why it works so well on wood. I never, ever had problems with my formula and I used it from holly to ebony. Cheers, Daniel
I Agree Daniel I went to my local Woodcraft store and bought a pound of "Rottenstone Tripoli" packaged by Behlen but it was a very dark grey. I went ahead and tried it and It did a beautiful job of smoothing the Ash I was testing it on but left the dark grey residue in the coarse in the coarse grain of the wood. I need to find some of the stuff that you use. Could you post a link if you purchased it online? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Daniel!
Hi my friend! You can get it from the Home Depot and also from amazon.com. Look for Diatomaceous Earth. In the Home Depot it is where you find the insecticides since Tripoli is used as a natural organic insecticide. It is not harmful for the human being or domestic animals but because of its abrasive properties kill ants and other insects.
www.homedepot.com/p/Harris-64-oz-4-lb-Diatomaceous-Earth-Food-Grade-100-with-Powder-Duster-Applicator-DE-FG4P/302451952
Here goes a link for a ten pound bag in amazon.com for just 20 bucks:
www.amazon.com/Diatomaceous-Earth-Food-Grade-10/dp/B00025H2PY/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1516711517&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=diatomaceous+earth+food+grade&psc=1
I holpe this helps! Cheers! Daniel
Thanks so much for your prompt response Daniel. This is exactly what I was looking for.
do you sell it
Hi Jeff! If you can send me an e-mail at dvilarino@oas.org . Best regards, Daniel
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Hi Alan! Thank you very much my friend! Cheers! Daniel
Tripoli is also sold as Rottenstone
Hi, yes, and that is a typical missconception. The rottenstone or rotten stone is usually weathered limestone mixed with diatomaceous, amorphous, or crystalline silica. Tripoli is diatomaceous earth. Diatomaceous earth consists of fossilized remains of diatoms, a type of hard-shelled protist (chrysophytes), in other words the fossilized shells of prehistoric microscopic algae. The color of rottenstone is dark grey while the tripoli is regularly a light beige. The problem with rottenstone is that sometime can stain lighted colored wood. Thank you for your comment! Cheers! Daniel
The rotten stone I bought is grey black and colors the wood. I've since bought cream colored actual Tripoli from a source in England
Hi Steve! Thank you for your comment my friend! Yes, rottenstone is complicated. The actual Tripoli, in my opinion works better for wood. Cheers! Daniel
Hi Daniel, sorry an bit late for the reply. But, thank you for that information.