Access is the single biggest hurdle to getting recreational hunter buy in to managing deer numbers in the Ruahines. Heaps of deer there now, verging on what we hunted in the early 70's, but about 65% of the access we had in the early 70's has been frittered away by poor management by DoC and LINZ. Money spent on organising legal access is a one off cost, whereas heli shooting is a continual drain on DoC's operational budget...
Can't agree more! Getting landowners on board with "responsible" hunters is the key to making deer numbers manageable is key. Getting keen men and women into remote areas is workable. If landowners gave up the idea of "my land" "my deer" , the greater animal management could be better off for all. I recall in 90's and 2000's TB was the biggest problem now "TB" is no longer the issue! The push of TB is not the greatest issue until it happens again.
Good explanation on the LoS vs TBR, the other thing to remember is the bullet still travels 200m so that’s what you correct for the wind effect-125m for drop & 200m for wind drift
Nice one Muzz, good to see you’re still out and about 👍 Bugger about the planned cull but that’s a direct result of hunters not shooting hinds and focusing only on stags, part of it is access but it’s not the crux of the issue.
Yeah mate, they need knocking back, no doubt about that. Hopefully the "Ruahine Deer Working Group" comes up with something that can improve the situation for all involved. (haha)
G’day. New to hunting here within the last 12 months or so. I’ve been on 5-6 hunts in the Ruahines so far and havnt seen anything yet. Maybe I need to head in deeper I guess? I seen you lads quite far in. Or is that the norm? Great video, and thanks for the explanation of the shooting up/down hill. Have had that issue before a few years back where I had a huge miss and had no idea why.
Hey mate, a big walk isn't always the norm but tops hunting over spring and summer is often a very good way of finding animals and getting to the tops requires a walk. River/slip hunting is another good way to locate animals, walk the river to a clearing/slip setup and wait out the evening, walk out in the dark or stay the night and watch it on first light as well.
That’s awesome. Thanks for those tips. That gives me something to work on. Appreciate that greatly. I’ll see how we go. I havnt done an overnighter yet.
Great work boys absolutely right about taking hinds the mentality of shooting spikers as a meat animal never makes sense as unknown potential being snuffed out - ok to take a cull type stag of poor quality No market for feral ( or farm venison) makes WARO not very economical so the reality is search+destroy Long term a solution working with recreational hunters has to be the way forward BUT not just working with NZDA only/ select groups at the exclusion of others Yeah those long hauls back up with meat on board wishing there was a nice ice cold beer back on the ridge top!!!😵💫😉
Great video, been to a couple other Ruahine bivs, but Toka is still on the to do list. How would one find out more about the Ruahine Deer Working group? Like Yax I’m BOP based, I love hunting the Ruahine but it’s a long drive so want to keep up to date with what’s going on.
Awesome vid mate. Love the ballistic lesson. I hunt the ruahine…..did you day there is a helo cull in the new year…? I also understand there are a couple of 1080 drops on at present? Cheers Dave
Yeah mate, Had a email a few weeks back. Pretty much DOC is looking into how to increase WARO effectiveness and doing a DOC led aerial operation this summer. They also talk about NZDA led Management hunts, so that sounds great but leaves a lot of hunters out of the loop. They want to establish a Ruahine deer working group, once again sounds good but will see how that plays out and who is actually involved. Think the 1080 is further north but im not all over that.
@@Muzz308 thanks mate. I am planning a fly in Nov north western ruahine. The chopper pilot warned me about the 1080 drop but said he will find out more and drop me where the 1080 ain’t. Good info about the WARO. Thanks
He’s back! Good shit! 👍
Good vid guys. It’s been a while. Wonderful bit of the world up there. Thanks. Take it easy
Great to see you guys again. Excellent Vid and info once again ! Cheers
Good stuff guys! Gotta love the Ruahines thanks for putting the effort in to share the clip!
Another great vid, good to see ya back again
Bloody good way to explain the LOS vs TBR
Access is the single biggest hurdle to getting recreational hunter buy in to managing deer numbers in the Ruahines. Heaps of deer there now, verging on what we hunted in the early 70's, but about 65% of the access we had in the early 70's has been frittered away by poor management by DoC and LINZ. Money spent on organising legal access is a one off cost, whereas heli shooting is a continual drain on DoC's operational budget...
Can't agree more! Getting landowners on board with "responsible" hunters is the key to making deer numbers manageable is key. Getting keen men and women into remote areas is workable. If landowners gave up the idea of "my land" "my deer" , the greater animal management could be better off for all. I recall in 90's and 2000's TB was the biggest problem now "TB" is no longer the issue! The push of TB is not the greatest issue until it happens again.
Good work!!
Excellent video and great hunting skills on the tops!!
Good explanation on the LoS vs TBR, the other thing to remember is the bullet still travels 200m so that’s what you correct for the wind effect-125m for drop & 200m for wind drift
Yeah, good point mate.
Nice one Muzz, good to see you’re still out and about 👍
Bugger about the planned cull but that’s a direct result of hunters not shooting hinds and focusing only on stags, part of it is access but it’s not the crux of the issue.
Yeah mate, they need knocking back, no doubt about that. Hopefully the "Ruahine Deer Working Group" comes up with something that can improve the situation for all involved. (haha)
Mean vid boys and that country sure makes you work for it. Chur
G’day. New to hunting here within the last 12 months or so. I’ve been on 5-6 hunts in the Ruahines so far and havnt seen anything yet. Maybe I need to head in deeper I guess? I seen you lads quite far in. Or is that the norm? Great video, and thanks for the explanation of the shooting up/down hill. Have had that issue before a few years back where I had a huge miss and had no idea why.
Hey mate, a big walk isn't always the norm but tops hunting over spring and summer is often a very good way of finding animals and getting to the tops requires a walk. River/slip hunting is another good way to locate animals, walk the river to a clearing/slip setup and wait out the evening, walk out in the dark or stay the night and watch it on first light as well.
That’s awesome. Thanks for those tips. That gives me something to work on. Appreciate that greatly. I’ll see how we go. I havnt done an overnighter yet.
Spent a few nights in toka, the fog just never cleared for us. The dehy farts in there are a memory for me 🤣
Stoked to see another 308 vid up. Was wondering just the other day if you guys would make any more. Mean.
another great clip the haters are going to hit u on how the beers arrived up there lol
Great work boys absolutely right about taking hinds the mentality of shooting spikers as a meat animal never makes sense as unknown potential being snuffed out - ok to take a cull type stag of poor quality
No market for feral ( or farm venison) makes WARO not very economical so the reality is search+destroy
Long term a solution working with recreational hunters has to be the way forward BUT not just working with NZDA only/ select groups at the exclusion of others
Yeah those long hauls back up with meat on board wishing there was a nice ice cold beer back on the ridge top!!!😵💫😉
Nice one Muzz been a while good to see your still alive!
Haha yeah mate still alive.
👍
Great video, been to a couple other Ruahine bivs, but Toka is still on the to do list.
How would one find out more about the Ruahine Deer Working group? Like Yax I’m
BOP based, I love hunting the Ruahine but it’s a long drive so want to keep up to date with what’s going on.
@@KawekaJC unsure how I got on the mailing list mate. Ruahine user group and Ruahine range hunters are good FB sites to keep up to date with.
Awesome vid mate. Love the ballistic lesson. I hunt the ruahine…..did you day there is a helo cull in the new year…? I also understand there are a couple of 1080 drops on at present? Cheers Dave
Yeah mate, Had a email a few weeks back. Pretty much DOC is looking into how to increase WARO effectiveness and doing a DOC led aerial operation this summer. They also talk about NZDA led Management hunts, so that sounds great but leaves a lot of hunters out of the loop. They want to establish a Ruahine deer working group, once again sounds good but will see how that plays out and who is actually involved. Think the 1080 is further north but im not all over that.
@@Muzz308 thanks mate. I am planning a fly in Nov north western ruahine. The chopper pilot warned me about the 1080 drop but said he will find out more and drop me where the 1080 ain’t. Good info about the WARO. Thanks
Nice vid mate, haven't been to up there for 15 years . No deer up there back then, but seems a few around now days