Low Vs High bottom brackets - Can you teach an old dog new tricks?

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  • Last week Alex Shovlin suggested I bring the GT and an older lower frame to see if my claims of being able to ride the older one are accurate.
    Can't say this video has gone smoothly but I'm definitely finding the differences between the two bikes pretty interesting!
    Thanks so much for watching!
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  • @feedbackzaloop
    @feedbackzaloop หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Honestly was more worried with where the stem landed. Trully balls of steel to backflip and carry on like nothing happened!

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That wouldn’t have been a comedy nut crush for you lot 😂😵

  • @MrPlum1282
    @MrPlum1282 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    10/10 for the dismount, Ali! Glad you saved it! 👊🏻

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks very much 😁

  • @justincouper2652
    @justincouper2652 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Wow. Best thumbnail ever. How could we not click on it!! So glad you were ok that could have been really bad for your spine.

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I actually have three thumbnails being shown/tested but it sounds like there’s an obvious winner already!

    • @Jackofafewtrades
      @Jackofafewtrades หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I'm very curious what this compelling thumbnail was! The one I saw was so ordinary I don't even remember what it was lol. Might've been you standing between the bikes? What was the spicy one??

  • @dansacco1964
    @dansacco1964 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Backflip save has to be in the top 10 saves ever! The slowmo is priceless. You almost look bored upside down waiting for the right time to kick your legs over. I'm really enjoying the geo analysis and back to back compares. So many of us seldom if ever get to try different trials bikes so its nice to learn about how the differences change the riding. The first time I ever saw a comp trials bike in person was 3 years ago.

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I look directly at the camera at one point 😂

  • @Tweaks
    @Tweaks หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    pucker factor 1000, nice recovery, just like a cat.

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I took some notes from the cute thief

    • @sapinva
      @sapinva หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ali Cat

  • @qualm43
    @qualm43 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Ok, that is the best wipeout I've seen in a long time LOOOOOOOOL

  • @tees_trials
    @tees_trials หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Impeccable pecker tap to backward somersault 👌
    My apologies for causing so much mechanical anxiety 😅
    You’re a shining example of resilience and tenacity!
    Keep up the fine work 💪
    Thoroughly enjoyed this one, great anorak viewing Thalastair

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I’m bringing a hacksaw to your steerertube at the weekends comp!

  • @davidbryanttrucking
    @davidbryanttrucking หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Dude. 10 out of 10 for that dismount. Holy crap. But please tell us you have a check in system with your old lady or your buds while you're out there by yourself. That could have been horrific. Thank God you're so good at gaps your bike can disintegrate underneath you and you still make it. 😬

    • @winterwatson6437
      @winterwatson6437 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      check in system is always smart-i gotta get better about that

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I thiiiink she knew where I was, maybe

    • @ifitrollsrideit530
      @ifitrollsrideit530 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@winterwatson6437 I need to upgrade my phone to one with satellite SOS. I'm not much for upgrading but that seems to be something worth having if you like to ride in the middle of no where.

  • @AndreasRavnestad
    @AndreasRavnestad หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Welp, my heart. That clip is destined to go viral :)

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gonna pop in on insta tomorrow so we’ll soon see!

  • @gazbailey4816
    @gazbailey4816 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is all well and good, but could we just have a half an hour b-roll video of the GT... Probably my favourite looking bike I've seen!
    Well done not breaking your back on the fork snap! People have died from less serious situations than that!! You really know how to fall off gracefully. A true skill!

  • @petesturtevant7642
    @petesturtevant7642 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ali, that thumbnail was crazy but the actual video was totally insane. How are you still alive? 😮

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I take notes from the cute thief on how to land on my feet, can’t always do it but it worked well this time!

  • @shoebshaik5673
    @shoebshaik5673 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the amount of hard work you put into your videos is just astounding...kudos to you sir. and a 10/10 on the landing.

  • @tinman7551
    @tinman7551 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was terrifying. I’m very happy that you’re okay 😮

  • @aznwierdone
    @aznwierdone หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Holy crap that was insane. I wasn't expecting that bar to come off. It looked so unbelievably scary, glad you're alright!

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Scary enough for me to make an embarrassing noise 😂

    • @aznwierdone
      @aznwierdone หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stay safe! Or as safe as you can with unforeseen mechanicals!

  • @remipouliquen5422
    @remipouliquen5422 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Holy crap Ali, nice save !

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks very much!

  • @myvornamemynachname220
    @myvornamemynachname220 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even if I was able to stop time in that moment and think about whats the best way to defuse this situation, I would not be able to come up with this great idea and especially with this great execution. 10/10

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ve been taking cat lessons

  • @livefree6639
    @livefree6639 หลายเดือนก่อน

    that falling on ur back really scared me bro. plz be safe and healthy. very informative video.

  • @lightningslim
    @lightningslim หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    "Never in the realm of TH-cam cycling has so much been saved by a swift flick and an adept arm maneuver." ;)

  • @sir_damex
    @sir_damex หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was the best save ever!👏🏻

  • @AbsoluteTwoddle85
    @AbsoluteTwoddle85 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even though I knew what was coming, i completely forgot about it during the course of the video so it still really made me jump! God knows what it must have been like for you! There's no way of bracing yourself for that, when you have absolutely no warning that something's about to fail catastrophically! Glad you were able to get away with that one unscathed!

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I probably forgot about it 5 times when editing and also jumped 😂😂

  • @stephanez8036
    @stephanez8036 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    jeeez , you handled that chrash like a champion ! i was worry for you riding so far away from any hospital

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kiiiinda sketchy trying this stuff on my own isn’t it!

    • @stephanez8036
      @stephanez8036 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ali_Clarkson well i also worry for you when i see you using old stuff and mostly fork with short steering tube !! keep it safe, sending you positiv vibes from overseas !

  • @petertaylor3150
    @petertaylor3150 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keiran is an awesome rider. Met him at Radfest this weekend. He's also a top bloke and makes great coffee!

  • @richardmiddleton7770
    @richardmiddleton7770 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With so much leverage with the long stems and forward bars, I'd be tempted to press a piece of solid aluminium into the steerer tube where the stem clamps and further down past the top bearing. You can drill and tap it to M6 so it also acts as the steerer tube bung for the top cap/bearing pre-loader.

  • @2Swift4u
    @2Swift4u หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a feeling Ali is going to go viral with that crash! lol... I'm glad you got out of that safely

  • @redhatfactory
    @redhatfactory หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was impressive! The landing and getting right back at it. Wow

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks very much :)

  • @HEREONOUTBAILEY
    @HEREONOUTBAILEY หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Literally thought that was you lying in a hospital bed at the end of the video! 🤣

  • @hegyimutymuty
    @hegyimutymuty หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the snapping sound of that headtube sounded so scary ;__; :DD

  • @desmation
    @desmation หลายเดือนก่อน

    Points Scored: 3,506,333,802,489
    Best Leading Role in One of the Gnarliest Trials Crashes Ever caught on video.
    Best Leading Role in One of the best Walk-Aways from a Trials Crash.
    Best Supporting Role in Stunt Props.

  • @jonlavigne3270
    @jonlavigne3270 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This took me two days to watch. But it was great, hope you can fet part 2 out. I don't even ride trials, but I can see how that would be hard on forks.

  • @alimantado373
    @alimantado373 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:09 😮😮 Viral short for sure.
    Im glad you didnt hurt your back. 10/10 survival.

  • @3rdWorldNola
    @3rdWorldNola หลายเดือนก่อน

    For BMX, lots of street frames now have higher BB for grind clearance. Low bb is stability for old dudes.
    Some say high bb is like a skateboard. Low bb is more in the bike then on top.

  • @nathanclair3495
    @nathanclair3495 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You handle disappointment and frustration well, I would have been ready to sell all my bikes after this string of mechanicals!

  • @pacmant3371
    @pacmant3371 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That save was unreal. The slowmo really made it something else.
    Ps if you want to sell that control I'd be extremely interested. It's a dream frame of mine

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      There’s a couple on eBay right now!

  • @smudek1
    @smudek1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn, that crash looked scary, glad you're alright. Steer tube break it's the worst nightmare. Great content as always, cheers 💪👊

  • @csaba5415
    @csaba5415 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My god my heart skipped a beat as I thought that was it: spine. Take care of yourself. This seemed absolutely terrible but I am relieved you saved it so amazingly. 10/10 for style though, intended or not 😊.

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ve got the judges on my side it appears 😁

  • @xzcion
    @xzcion หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    7/10 premonition of fork breakage.
    1/10 commitment to keeping hold of the bike (probably for the best).
    10/10 clarity and control of the dismount.
    10)10 for spectacularly if the dismount.
    8/10 overall.

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      8/10 seems fair :)

  • @canardweb
    @canardweb หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I know this is part of the theme of your channel but I think you should ride one bike more. As you said, muscle memory is key so getting to "know" one bike will definitely help you riding it better. Also I reckon BB height is relative to how you want to ride. To simplify: new type of riding with hook techniques, less rolling and more static moves: high BB, but old school riding, more rolling moves, wheel placement and obviously taps: low BB . Pick your own!
    But you know all that, don't you?
    Nice save by the way!

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      But how can I choose just one? 😂

    • @canardweb
      @canardweb หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ali_Clarkson I must admit that's the hard part. I have chosen one for the last 10 years and it's a Crewkerz Jealousy. Never had a bad day with it.

  • @Emz_Jhaye
    @Emz_Jhaye หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was scary!!! And that bar/stem came off!!! Glad youre alright after that. 😎🚴 Like a cat, nothing happened here. 😸

  • @SeraphXS
    @SeraphXS หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bad luck on the forks/headset man, like I said in the last video, when ya going to something old with wild geometries, gotta give ya self some time to practise how it rides, before ya try pushing for high/wide jumps :D

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ain’t nobody got time to practice 😂

    • @SeraphXS
      @SeraphXS หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ali_Clarkson psh! but technically, every time you ride, you're practising :D

  • @TheKennoway
    @TheKennoway หลายเดือนก่อน

    Some riding in there wow , glad you are ok Ali ❤️

  • @tharunshiv
    @tharunshiv หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was the best landing I've seen, i expected a way worse ending to that crash 😂

  • @sirmez9597
    @sirmez9597 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lucky lucky lucky man, that fear noise was real!

  • @cendaracing
    @cendaracing หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have to admit that you have a beautiful trial spot in an abandoned quarry. We have a very similar, I would say almost the same looking abandoned quarry, not far from our weekend cabin. 👍 I usually go there on foot or by mountain bike, but I plan to take my Jitsie bike there and try to ride a little trial style. 😁
    Otherwise, the back flip at 7:10 of the video was very nice. Artistic impression 10/10 definitely!

  • @mattgies
    @mattgies หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like CT was proud of you for landing on your feet.

  • @mister.kosmos
    @mister.kosmos หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    would love to see second half on something like pallets where you can measure jump differences

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ve been thinking the same! I think I’ll take it to a local trials training place that has boxes etc, would be a good test there

  • @Yennxfer
    @Yennxfer หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quite a scary fall, glad you didn't get hurt.

  • @Pedalnatrilha
    @Pedalnatrilha หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tomei um susto com a bike quebrando e o tombo! Espero que não tenha machucado! Abraços do Brasil!

  • @deeranfoxworthy6069
    @deeranfoxworthy6069 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Title should be can you teach an old CAT new tricks. With a recovery backflip like that, the cute thief isn't the only one with those reflexes.

  • @darrenoleary762
    @darrenoleary762 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bet you’re good with pogo sticks
    Nice job
    You make it look easy

  • @ashleytombs
    @ashleytombs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Welcome higher or lower with your host Ali Clarkson definitely shows my age 😂😂. Interesting higher BB will suit some moves and lower BB will suit other
    marks for the flip 9.5 legs need to be straighter on the landing😂😂 Plus the last clip from Kieron wow

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Straighter legs…got it 👍🏻

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ashleytombs I was dead serious 🙃

    • @ashleytombs
      @ashleytombs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ali_Clarkson oh my bad sorry if I offended you

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ashleytombs (I’m never serious)

    • @ashleytombs
      @ashleytombs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ali_Clarkson Trolled by one of my favorite TH-camrs no words

  • @vtownjester
    @vtownjester หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    For as bad as that was, it went as good as it could!

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And I’m glad it did 😁

  • @Eagle71-vs3dd
    @Eagle71-vs3dd หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think GT is more technical and comfort but i m only apasiónate biker ...Each one with a diferent style...Enjoy It

  • @KevinSmithStrikeman
    @KevinSmithStrikeman หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great vid Ali man!

  • @YanDoroshenko
    @YanDoroshenko หลายเดือนก่อน

    8.9 for the backflip. Hand flailing can be improved, but otherwise - pretty solid performance.

  • @xssonlineltd4212
    @xssonlineltd4212 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can have adapters made for the hydraulic set to adapt normal vbrakes

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or make your own like I did with the back of the Echo 👍🏻

  • @malcyj56
    @malcyj56 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A snapped chain once gifted me a horrible concussion! Full load, full sprint, snap, weight transfer otb. Munted.

  • @Sunspot-19
    @Sunspot-19 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ali, while I like a high BB, if it can be called that... My FS bike is designed to drop to 0 drop BB under rider weight. My trials bike is a KOXX Red Sky stock at +35. Would take getting used to a +60 or higher drop since I haven't ridden one but think it may be very unusual.
    Carthy Bars!!

    • @Sunspot-19
      @Sunspot-19 หลายเดือนก่อน

      7:20?? ALIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey now...

  • @erikklumpp3464
    @erikklumpp3464 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man glad you’re okay 😅

  • @Costa518
    @Costa518 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice saveeee

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks 🤘🏻

  • @ExplosiveNotes
    @ExplosiveNotes หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crash style score: 11/10 because you're human. If you'd be a cat, you'd have some work to do on the "yes, this is exactly how I inteded to to do it" just after crash phase. On a serious note, I'm really glad, that the result of the crash is not that scary as the thumbnail.

  • @xyrius
    @xyrius หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice backflip! :D But seriously it's not a really good idea to ride alone. You were very lucky, but in a worst case scenerio it's realy suck if there's noone around to ask for help, call the ambulance, etc.

  • @draggonhedd
    @draggonhedd หลายเดือนก่อน

    Holy shit i was not expecting that.... Glad you're OK.
    also,. what ever happened to your custom forks? They still kicking around? Be cool if those made another appearance on a bike at some point. You think one of em would have been good on one of these bikes?

  • @nvtrials194
    @nvtrials194 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good god, that was a fortunate landing

  • @kczcb4697
    @kczcb4697 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As the North Korean judge I give dismount a 5.5. Bent your knees and too much splash. Glad you’re ok honestly

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A fair score!

  • @pympin87
    @pympin87 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    you'll have to remind the cute thief to only steal new chains from now on

  • @ConnorSinclair420
    @ConnorSinclair420 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a bmx punk, Mods look so much funner than the double penny farthing bikes. If they went with 451mm rims for 20" that's be perfect and no one would call it a kids bike.

  • @ShredBikesPetKitties
    @ShredBikesPetKitties หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love that shirt! I think I have seen it before.

  • @direcaodefensiva6780
    @direcaodefensiva6780 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Impressionante!

  • @TheKennoway
    @TheKennoway หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow some effort ❤️

  • @thingsstuff
    @thingsstuff หลายเดือนก่อน

    no no no no no.... yes yes yes! jezus what a landing!

  • @LLkgy113
    @LLkgy113 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Holy s***t! This thumbnail is crazy

  • @smgarrettify
    @smgarrettify หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    10/10

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      😺

    • @smgarrettify
      @smgarrettify หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😹 20 year old forks, glad your part feline 🐈

  • @HDJess
    @HDJess หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How do you feel about disk brakes? They still work if you bend the rim a bit, compared to v-brakes.

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Disc brakes are good, nice and quiet with good modulation and fairly reliable.
      The issue with comp style trials is that they’re not as precise as a rim brake, even with tight spokes there’s always going to be a little flex and movement and with the wheel being stopped at the hub this movement is magnified by the time it gets to the tyre so even with locked brakes there can be an inch of movement at the tyre…with trials sometimes needing to be millimetre accurate any excess movement can be the difference between making a move and not.
      Also discs are heavier than rim brakes and more prone to damage, especially when hopping sideways.

    • @HDJess
      @HDJess หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Ali_Clarkson that makes sense. Never though about the movement before, but then I can't do what you do on bikes anyway 🙂

  • @OddlyTugs
    @OddlyTugs หลายเดือนก่อน

    10/10 wow

  • @Sunesha
    @Sunesha หลายเดือนก่อน

    u guys should almost have som reverse mullet going =) as bias on back wheel

  • @James-gm4lv
    @James-gm4lv หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man chain snaps freak me out!!

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too 😵‍💫

  • @Metal-Possum
    @Metal-Possum หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When are Inspired going to make a comp bike? :D

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They almost did a few years ago under the Trialtech name!

  • @rinky_dinky
    @rinky_dinky หลายเดือนก่อน

    are trials specific pedals grip superior to higher end mtb pedals ?

  • @UndCon
    @UndCon หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rough times.

  • @olik136
    @olik136 หลายเดือนก่อน

    to me the 20" comp bike people always look like they are using a pogo stick- they probably don't even need spinning tires for half the moves

  • @De4thInc4rn4te16
    @De4thInc4rn4te16 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    go buy a lottery ticket! and that was a solid 10 on the bail

    • @Ali_Clarkson
      @Ali_Clarkson  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha I probably should!

  • @spinnymclittlelegs101
    @spinnymclittlelegs101 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11teen points

  • @samuelt321
    @samuelt321 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10

  • @jakebraisher007
    @jakebraisher007 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Who else jumped out of there skin when the fork snapped 😂

  • @Moodlesstimes
    @Moodlesstimes หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    10/10 BS!!!

  • @indrekpart277
    @indrekpart277 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just do what you know and like. Progress from those instead.

  • @nickepps1746
    @nickepps1746 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s just not happening today. 😢

  • @oreocarlton3343
    @oreocarlton3343 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yo😮😮😮

  • @YanDoroshenko
    @YanDoroshenko หลายเดือนก่อน

    Once you get your confidence up the rest of the body parts will follow.

  • @teguhpriyatno9766
    @teguhpriyatno9766 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are u ok ...Ali ?

  • @tonymighalls9667
    @tonymighalls9667 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Spine of steel! 😅

  • @sapinva
    @sapinva หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too much back wheel control. Five words I've said... never.

  • @wibblywobblyidiotvision
    @wibblywobblyidiotvision หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn that could have been nasty