Lol..its the total opposite, the confusing philosophies that kept people stuck in other religions started getting debunked thanks to the internet and people are accepting islam faster than ever before!
@@Hassan-fc2tsIts going up and down. Converts are concurrent to amounts of people openly apostatizing, and some leave after a few years and were not counted in some of the studies as it only counted raised muslims who left. Probably a lot more apostates in private due to threats of death and having their lives destroyed.
@@Hassan-fc2ts didle a minor like that pdf heretic of a prophet you have than. We know the man from his works. A pdf womanizer hedonist is never from God Almighty
bro this concept completely contradicts christianity way more. Since your god can be a human and is a tri entity. not one inseparable being. So I dont know why your so proud of yourself commenting here
@@Huran1 Your statement misunderstands the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Christianity teaches that God is one inseparable being with a single, undivided essence, existing as three distinct persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These persons are not separate entities but share the same divine nature. Jesus, the Son, is fully God and fully human, but this does not divide God's essence. The Trinity is one God, not three separate gods or beings.
@@Huran1Your telling us why God; a powerful, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, being but you find it hard to believe he can be a man without normal means. Yet believe he can be a burning bush while having different body parts. The Trinity is complicated because our God is literally BEYOND infinity and eternity. Yes it’s difficult, but if simple Homo sapiens are able to comprehend our brains are printed exactly like the universe, then it is unreasonable to believe that humans CAN’T understand the Trinity, we CAN but there is so much discuss.
@TacoTuesday4 dude what? A lot of statistics say that financial losses for Christianity is the most, christians have a lot of apostates, almost all atheists are ex christians what are u talking about
@@TacoTuesday4 yall say this when every census from almost every country (that has widespread and easily accessible internet) over the past few years show islam gaining about 2+ million a year and christianity losing 8+ million a year. The only places that christianity is gaining are basically third world countries that have limited to no access to internet. Not only that but all of you are inept in your logic as the argument in this video would also go against all denominations of christianity and judasim. Add to the fact that the last part proves the argument wrong and for some reason the linked reference was a discord screenshot that doesn't even work anymore. Almost every video of this guys is a gross misinterpretation of Islam or a straight up lie. I've been "debunking" him in all the comments and its the same. You guys somehow think you're more educated when you guys can't even tell me what the pillars of faith are for islam, and thats for all you ex-muslims/"i studied islam for years" who somehow practiced it for decades and can't even tell me basic things about islam. All you guys do is take hadiths, interpret it yourselves, and make up a new meaning. But what can you expect, you guys do it to your own scriptures so why not do it to others right? Please come at me with all you got, I have no problem wasting hours debating you guys.😁
@@aubry980all this yapping and doesn’t realise Islam is entrenched within one ethnic group which is growing in the developed world because they are fleeing their own countries they destroyed. With a vast number of islams followers not knowing anything other than family tradition, never thinking for themselves. When they do they quickly throw off Islam
We Atharis reject the notion that Allah possesses separable parts or any part-whole relationship. While composition implies separable parts forming a whole, we maintain that Allah’s attributes, though real and distinct, are not separable from His essence. Abstract descriptors, by definition, differ from the concrete subjects they describe, and Allah’s attributes are abstract descriptors of His essence. This distinction among His attributes does not introduce composition, so rejecting Absolute Divine Simplicity does not imply that Allah is composed in any sense.
Please you may read the entire discussion below to know the real truth about Christianity and Islam. >>> Based on the Bible, FAITHFUL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESES agreed with "ISLAM" THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD! (Very interesting, so just read and learn below:) "Yes, Yes, Yes, It Is “Very Obvious” That We As Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses “Deny” That Jesus is God!! But, Why? Because, Jesus himself “denied” that he is God, and we “believe” Jesus when he tells the Jewish religious leaders who he really is, and they accused him of “blasphemy” for telling them the truth about who he really is. So, Jesus, had the opportunity to set the record straight, once and for all time, as to whether he is God, or not!! Now , the question becomes this: Who, did Jesus tell the Jewish religious leaders that he is? Well, to get the answer, we must go to (John 10:36) in the Bible, this Bible Scripture has Jesus asking why they are calling it “blasphemy,” when he tells them who he really is. John 10:36, (New Living Translation) has Jesus asking them this question, it reads: [“Why do you call it “blasphemy” when I say I am the “Son of God?” After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.”] Yes, Jesus himself says that he is the “Son of God,” and thus he “denied” that he is God. In fact, the Jewish religious leaders had Jesus put to death, because he said that he is the “Son of God.” And, here is the Scriptural Proof: John 19:5, 7, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads: (5) [“When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, ‘Here is the man!”] (7) [“The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to it he “must die,” because he claimed to be the “Son of God.”] So, now, the thought provoking questions are these: Who, are we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses supposed to believe? Jesus, when he says that he is the “Son of God,”? Or, the people, who are saying that “Jesus is God”? We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” and we “refuse” to believe the people who say that Jesus is God!! Why? Because, to believe that Jesus is God, would be calling “Jesus a liar” at (John 10:36) where Jesus says that he is the “Son of God.” And, here is the Scriptural reason, why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” when he says that he is the “Son of God,” at (John 10:36): 1 Peter 2:22, (Contemporary English Version) reads: [“Christ did not sin or ever tell a lie.”] So, Jesus, “did not lie” when he said that he is the “Son of God” as shown above, at (John 10:36)!! Will, you believe Jesus in his own words, that he is the “Son of God”? We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses do!! Clearly, it has been Scripturaly proven, by Jesus own words, that he isn't God, Jesus says that he is the “Son of God,” right? So, who is God, according to the Bible, and God himself? Deuteronomy 4:35, (The Bible In Living English) answers the question, who is God? It reads: [“You have been shown, so that you may know, that “Jehovah is God,” there is “no other” besides him.”] So , the above Bible Scripture shows us that “Jehovah is God,” and that there is “no other” besides him, right? And, this next Bible Scripture has Jehovah God himself, in his own words, confirming that besides him, there is no God. Isaiah 45:5, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads: [“I am “Jehovah,” and there is none else; besides me there is no God.”]… So, when Jehovah God says:“Besides me there is no God,” it is a true statement, he “did not lie.” Jehovah God “cannot” lie, it is impossible, and here is the Scriptural Proof: Hebrews 6:18, (English Standard Version) confirms this, it reads: [“So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is “impossible” for God to lie.”] So, the absolute truth from the Bible, is that “Jehovah is God,” and Jesus is the “Son of God,” yes, the Son of Jehovah God. And, as far as any Bible Scriptures that show Jesus is divine, or angels are divine, or whether a human being is divine, being called divine “does not” mean that you are God!! So, what does being called “divine” mean? Well, I googled, “What does it mean if someone calls you divine”? And, here is the information that came up from the, American English- Collins Dictionary, it reads: [“Devoted to God, religious, supremely great, good.”]… So, to be called “divine,” means that you are devoted to God, and as shown above by means of the Bible, “Jehovah is God,” and there are many examples of angels, and humans, being devoted to God in the Bible. Jesus, is also devoted to his Father, Jehovah God, he was sent to earth by Jehovah God, to do his will. And, here is the Scriptural Proof: John 6:35, 38, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads: (35) [“Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.”] (38) [“For I have come down from heaven “not” to do my will but to do the will of him who “sent” me.”] So, again, to be called divine, “does not mean” that you are God, thee God, God Almighty, those titles belong to Jehovah God only!! And, here is the Scriptural Proof: Genesis 17:1, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads: [“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, “Jehovah” appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am “God Almighty.”]… Yes, Jehovah God is “thee” God, God Almighty, and besides him there is no God!! So, here is something to think about: If, Jesus was “God in the flesh,” as billions of people have been “misled” into believing, that would mean that people “saw” God, right? So, how do you explain this Bible Scripture: 1 John 4:12, (New International Version) reads: [“No one has “ever seen” God, if we love one another God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”] Yes, the above Bible Scripture, shows us that “No one has ever seen God,” right ? So, how could Jesus have been God, or “God in the flesh,” when people saw Jesus, and the Bible clearly shows us that “No one has ever seen God”? How? Think, about that. And, all of the above, is the Scriptural reasons why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses obviously deny that Jesus is God, and why Jesus himself denies that he is God, at (John 10:36) quoted above."
Allah in the Quran makes no sense. Bro really gave a gospel to Mosses and Jesus knowin they would get corrupted. Waited 600 years to correct them and sent an angel to Muhhamd instead of going himself, then didnt give Muhammad any visible miracles while giving Mosses and Jesus visible miracles
Don't repeat lies, open the Quran, read the Quran to know the truth. Jesus and Moses legalized slavery and allowed the buying and selling of people, but Muhammad and the Quran do not contain the buying and selling of one person by another. There is no origin for the books of the Old or New Testament, all of them are lost origins. Do you know who wrote the Book of Genesis? Exodus? Deuteronomy? When? Luke? In what year? You don't know, no one knows, but every Muslim knows that the Quran was written by Muhammad and compiled into a Mushaf in the year 11 AH.
@Frazier16 Why would yahweh choose one race of people, speak only to them, and help them commit genocide against others? Why not guide the other nations too? Because it is a tribal war god. In Islam, God has spoken to all nations via prophets. He doesn't condemn people without giving them a chance. People corrupt teachings because they do evil. Then a new prophet comes and corrects them. Mohammad is the last of them, and the revelation is completed. It will not change. If someone claims to be a prophet, we don't believe him because it is ended. People believed Mohammad without him showing any magic tricks. He didn't need it. When his son died, a solar eclipse occured. He rejected people's attempt to correlate these two things saying "son and moon doesn't eclipse for anyone".
@Frazier16 Yahweh hammered the idea of one god to jews heads for a thousand years and suddenly decided he has a son which is also god. His spirit is god too. Forbade human sacrifice but sacrificed his son. Mohammad didn't need any miracles. Even if he had, it would be worthless to us because we can't see them happen.
Bro Islam is so toxic online, they either mock us or make the most stupid acoustic arguments. Really bad, I hope they find the truth we have. Also the insufferable dawah channels where someone has to get “destroyed” every 5 mins… is that how they remain faithful or something???
@@MystoGun650it’s the A mocking. And B terrible arguments such as “Christians think 1+1+1=1!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK HOW STUPID THEY ARE” no Christian thinks this, either interact with how we perceive God and stop making strawmans to knock down or leave
I recommend Sam shamoun, zakaria botrot, David wood, Rob Christian, nabi Asli, godlogic, nabeel qureshi, Christian Prince, Dr Jay smith investigating Islam.
@d0ga012 He is one of the most renowned biblical scholars. He was a fundamentalist evangelical turned atheist. Because non of this christianity stuff makes sense.
The entire idea of a God having to just be in order to be God is a really good explanation for God’s real name “God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am...” Exodus 3:14 NLT God is saying that not only is He eternal, but He just “is”. As in, the reason He exists, is because He does.
Which is deeply ironic, given that I would imagine that most non-Christians, including most Muslims, might be scratching their heads wondering how a 'triune God' who literally incarnated in the figure of Jesus Christ could ever be described as 'simple', after all it took numerous church councils to even come up with an 'official line' on the subject, that was then hotly contested for centuries after
@@Mass-dn1vunotice how your first inclination is to call them a liar or question their understanding of Islam 😂 Maybe let’s just assume that he is telling the truth and that he came to this decision not in ignorance? when you assume people are liars and stupid I don’t think we get very far.
@@TCM1231I have never seen someone leaving Islam for christianity. No one moves from one God to three. People who leave Islam leave religion all together.
@@ConfusedG2382 can God make himself cease to exist? Can God get rid of his powers to the point of never getting them back, effectively getting rid of God? The answer to both of these is no, and it shows that being all powerful automatically makes you unable to get rid of your power. It’s a contradiction to being all powerful if you are able to limit your power.
same. ik some islamic apologists will probably try to respond and "refute" him like they did with the original aquinas vid, but i could care less. this is just cool to see
I had a lovely muslim bloke who came in to repair our carpet that was saying that Jesus never actually died and is still alive! We had a good chat, but it was so interesting hearing him trying to argue against Jesus' divinity and the Trinity. God bless.
Then jesus pleaded "if it's possible, take the cup away" and fell to his face on the ground well, everything is possible for God, so? why are christians defending jesus's abusive father soo much? God isn't abusive, jesus was saved unscathed from the cross by God
I’m absolutely curious how the other side would present their case. Growing up as a Muslim, I was never exposed to rigorous thinking on God. Only now within the Catholic Church that I find clarity on who He is. Christ’s peace be with us all.
As an ex Muslim turning to Christ this channel clears up a lot and is very educational. I studied Islam in a well established Islamic institute to be an Islamic scholar, yet when I tried to say the attributes of Allah shows Allah has parts the teachers would respond with don’t ask those questions Allah knows best, even though we studied the theological difference between Islamic scholarship (that discuss this topic and show Allah is composite but Muslims fail to see how a composite god cannot be the true god)
@Sanctus, as a Athari, we affirm the attributes are predictions to his essence that conform to the essences ability’s and descriptions. When we say Allah has a hand, they are intrinsic predicting his essence having the ability to hold/ grab (and however he choose to predict) things. So if we made a distinction between Allah hand and his knowledge, the distinction would be by virtue that the his essence has the distinct ability to hold/ grab and to know all; which would be distinct abilities in reality and not parts.
2 principles important principles of the ash’ari/maturidi school is Al-Wahdaniyya (oneness) in essence, attributes, and actions. The other to note is mukhalifatu lil-hawadith (opposition to that which is created). These principles of theology give the true scholars lens to interpret the Islamic texts. The concept of a hand or shin found in the Quran or hadith are simply metaphorical or rhetorical tools to get a point across. An example such as ‘Allahs hands are over their hands’ in the 48th chapter in the Quran can be akin to saying Allahs power is over their power.
I love this channel so much. I’ve been having this thought for a long time and even Christian apologist don’t talk about it so much. This seems like the first time someone is pointing this out. The fact that someone has a simple and logic idea of “God” that is easily understandable to men doesn’t necessarily make it true. Anyone could have come up with that idea without any divine inspiration. What we’re sure of is the fact that God is not human or his creation. So why must his nature follow the logic of this world?
The idea's discussed in the first half of this video are truly brilliant and necessary for our understanding of God. The ideas credited to Aquinas though, can actually all be traced back to Avicenna, and his "Proof of The Truthful" (which today has evolved into 'the contingency argument'). Avicenna was a Muslim Philosopher/Theologian/Doctor who came up with this argument in an Islamic framework. You did an excellent job detailing the contingency argument, it's just that you've misinterpreted the Hadith at the end. It actually corroborates what you had been saying that whole time, and is basically explaining the "It's not that god is contingent on his power, it is that we can only understand his infiniteness through our human lens" argument that you had said earlier. Here's a good 15 minute youtube video about Avicenna's 'Proof of the Truthful' for those of us who don't feel like reading ancient Arabic manuscripts: th-cam.com/video/SLsElgfhZtM/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps!
Great video! Would like to point out that there is a very popular Islamic school called the Ashari school who have a similar conception of God to the Christian conception and reject the conception given by Ibn Taymiyyah (who is basically the poster boy of modern day salafism).
you're claiming that the Islamic conception of God implies a composite being, but this is not the Islamic position as it's stated in the quran "God is absolutely one, unique, and indivisible", sure, scholars like Ibn Taymiyyah, do acknowledge that God has attributes but it strongly maintains that these attributes do not imply any division or composition within God's essence. When Muslims say that Allah is "The Merciful" or "The All-Powerful," they are not implying that mercy or power is a separate entity within God but rather that these are aspects of how God's essence is manifest in relation to His creation.
Please you may read the entire discussion below to know the real truth about Christianity and Islam. >>> Based on the Bible, FAITHFUL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESES agreed with "ISLAM" THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD! (Very interesting, so just read and learn below:) "Yes, Yes, Yes, It Is “Very Obvious” That We As Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses “Deny” That Jesus is God!! But, Why? Because, Jesus himself “denied” that he is God, and we “believe” Jesus when he tells the Jewish religious leaders who he really is, and they accused him of “blasphemy” for telling them the truth about who he really is. So, Jesus, had the opportunity to set the record straight, once and for all time, as to whether he is God, or not!! Now , the question becomes this: Who, did Jesus tell the Jewish religious leaders that he is? Well, to get the answer, we must go to (John 10:36) in the Bible, this Bible Scripture has Jesus asking why they are calling it “blasphemy,” when he tells them who he really is. John 10:36, (New Living Translation) has Jesus asking them this question, it reads: [“Why do you call it “blasphemy” when I say I am the “Son of God?” After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.”] Yes, Jesus himself says that he is the “Son of God,” and thus he “denied” that he is God. In fact, the Jewish religious leaders had Jesus put to death, because he said that he is the “Son of God.” And, here is the Scriptural Proof: John 19:5, 7, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads: (5) [“When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, ‘Here is the man!”] (7) [“The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to it he “must die,” because he claimed to be the “Son of God.”] So, now, the thought provoking questions are these: Who, are we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses supposed to believe? Jesus, when he says that he is the “Son of God,”? Or, the people, who are saying that “Jesus is God”? We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” and we “refuse” to believe the people who say that Jesus is God!! Why? Because, to believe that Jesus is God, would be calling “Jesus a liar” at (John 10:36) where Jesus says that he is the “Son of God.” And, here is the Scriptural reason, why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” when he says that he is the “Son of God,” at (John 10:36): 1 Peter 2:22, (Contemporary English Version) reads: [“Christ did not sin or ever tell a lie.”] So, Jesus, “did not lie” when he said that he is the “Son of God” as shown above, at (John 10:36)!! Will, you believe Jesus in his own words, that he is the “Son of God”? We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses do!! Clearly, it has been Scripturaly proven, by Jesus own words, that he isn't God, Jesus says that he is the “Son of God,” right? So, who is God, according to the Bible, and God himself? Deuteronomy 4:35, (The Bible In Living English) answers the question, who is God? It reads: [“You have been shown, so that you may know, that “Jehovah is God,” there is “no other” besides him.”] So , the above Bible Scripture shows us that “Jehovah is God,” and that there is “no other” besides him, right? And, this next Bible Scripture has Jehovah God himself, in his own words, confirming that besides him, there is no God. Isaiah 45:5, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads: [“I am “Jehovah,” and there is none else; besides me there is no God.”]… So, when Jehovah God says:“Besides me there is no God,” it is a true statement, he “did not lie.” Jehovah God “cannot” lie, it is impossible, and here is the Scriptural Proof: Hebrews 6:18, (English Standard Version) confirms this, it reads: [“So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is “impossible” for God to lie.”] So, the absolute truth from the Bible, is that “Jehovah is God,” and Jesus is the “Son of God,” yes, the Son of Jehovah God. And, as far as any Bible Scriptures that show Jesus is divine, or angels are divine, or whether a human being is divine, being called divine “does not” mean that you are God!! So, what does being called “divine” mean? Well, I googled, “What does it mean if someone calls you divine”? And, here is the information that came up from the, American English- Collins Dictionary, it reads: [“Devoted to God, religious, supremely great, good.”]… So, to be called “divine,” means that you are devoted to God, and as shown above by means of the Bible, “Jehovah is God,” and there are many examples of angels, and humans, being devoted to God in the Bible. Jesus, is also devoted to his Father, Jehovah God, he was sent to earth by Jehovah God, to do his will. And, here is the Scriptural Proof: John 6:35, 38, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads: (35) [“Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.”] (38) [“For I have come down from heaven “not” to do my will but to do the will of him who “sent” me.”] So, again, to be called divine, “does not mean” that you are God, thee God, God Almighty, those titles belong to Jehovah God only!! And, here is the Scriptural Proof: Genesis 17:1, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads: [“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, “Jehovah” appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am “God Almighty.”]… Yes, Jehovah God is “thee” God, God Almighty, and besides him there is no God!! So, here is something to think about: If, Jesus was “God in the flesh,” as billions of people have been “misled” into believing, that would mean that people “saw” God, right? So, how do you explain this Bible Scripture: 1 John 4:12, (New International Version) reads: [“No one has “ever seen” God, if we love one another God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”] Yes, the above Bible Scripture, shows us that “No one has ever seen God,” right ? So, how could Jesus have been God, or “God in the flesh,” when people saw Jesus, and the Bible clearly shows us that “No one has ever seen God”? How? Think, about that. And, all of the above, is the Scriptural reasons why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses obviously deny that Jesus is God, and why Jesus himself denies that he is God, at (John 10:36) quoted above."
@@esmaildidato8360 Your entire argument is debunked in the very beginning, when you affirm that Jesus had to opportunity to affirm he is God, and yet he didn’t. Your incoherence here begins by assuming that Jesus could just simply say “I am God” which isn’t true since the Jewish conception of God at that time, was the idea of God the Father, they believed he was bodyless, infinite and eternal, and that no one had ever seen the face of God without perishing, which is why prophets only saw him through manifestations, such as the burning bush. If Jesus claimed to be that, it would be wrong, since he ISN’T the Father, and he did have a body in which his essence inhabited, that was generated in Mary’s womb through the power of the Holy Spirit. He claimed to be “the Son of God” because he indeed is, he is eternally begotten from the Father, so he is God, he is the Word become flesh, and the Word is eternal because it’s not distinct from the Father (John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.”). Saying this would basically be denying other claims made by Jesus such as “The Father and I are One” or “before Abraham was I AM”, which can’t be misunderstood since being one with the Father implies he is God alongside the Father, and “I AM” is a title given only to God (Exodus 3:13-14 “13 Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.”[a][b] And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”), so saying that while NOT BEING GOD, would be blasphemy.
They just feel good to destroy a strawman. Any unbiased person knows that Unity is what define Islam. Just look at their biggoted comments saying stupid slogan like "Allah the moon god", "without lie islam die", etc. I mean, I am muslim, I can explain the differant theologies, sotoriologies and christologies they have, I can put myself into their shoes, and try to conceive how they think. I can also disagree on thing sich as Trinity, since I do bot deem it necessary, but i won't dismiss their argument and say christianity is Stupid, as they do woth islam.
They deceive you, they lie to you. If you open the Quran, you will find many verses that say that the sun and the moon are creations of God. Do not believe the lies
@@johncena12366the word Allah like the word God is non specific, unless capitalised, Like how water is water, whether we use the English word for it or another language, the water will still be water regardless
Lloyd de Jongh has been working previously on training an AI to scan every islamic texts and research in order to show the plethora of contradictions these contain.
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That description of a simple thing being separated in the mind into a rainbow of parts sounds like a really good description of the trope I've seen from time to time where a character goes into another character's mind and sees versions of the host character fighting with each other over what they really want or desire then after a while they ask which one is the real one only to get the response "we all are"
I think your whole argument can be used to refute Christianity. Your whole video can be summarized as follows: There is a difference between what a being is composed of an it’s existence but the two need to combine to make it real. The two however (composition and existence) are not the whole being. The composition of a being is made up of parts which needs to join together to form the being. This makes it dependent as the composite parts are dependent on being formed, combining and on each other. As God is not dependent and uncaused He cannot be made of parts. So in the trinity not a composite of three parts? Can one exists without the other. Can the Holy father exists without the son? Then you argue that the attributes of God, such as All Powerful, does not necessarily mean that God is All powerful but rather it exists only in nature and not in reality. So in essence the attributes of God are just in our minds and are not a true manifestation of His abilities. So Jesus was not merciful but rather he only exists in our intellect as merciful. You then quote ibn Tamiyyah and then draw the total opposite conclusion from his quotes by concluding that Gods attributes are separable from His essence. What he said was the Attributes of God are part of His nature just as being kind or benevolent is part of someone’s nature. He is not made of Kindness or Benevolence . You seem to confuse composition with attributes.
The Trinity is not a composition of three parts but rather an expression of His divine simplicity. In order to really start to understand the Trinity you have to read Aquinas on the Trinity and the early Church Fathers. God is His essence and existence, and since God made us in His "image and likeness" this could only mean that He has a mind like us, that has both an intellect and will. The first act of the intellect is to know, and since God has existed for all time He would instantly know and perfectly understand Himself, His own mind. This knowledge of Himself is expressed in the Divine Word, which we know as the Son who became Man in Jesus. And since He also has a will, the first act of the will is to love and of course He would instantly love Himself and the Word which spirates the Holy Spirit. So the Trinity is better understood as the Father perfectly knowing and loving Himself for all eternity, generating the Son and spirating the Spirit respectively. The Persons in God do not make Him a composite being, but rather show His divine simplicity, His eternity, by showing that He is Love and Knowledge and Wisdom.
@@angelaguayo6072 Aquinas definition of the trinity is a single divine essence or nature in 3 distinct persons. The distinction between the 3 persons (father, son and holy spirit) is a relational one with the son begotten from the father and the spirit proceeding from the father and son. This whole concept is against our understanding of what it means to be a God. I reiterate that you confuse the attributes of God with what he is composed of. If we talk of Unity of essence being His composition then it implies that the Father and the Son is composed of the same substances. The son had bones, and blood and mucus so the Father must have the same. If they both have the same then they both dependent on the substances that produce blood and bones ( iron and calcium) which makes them dependent. If you say the son came in the form of man, then this makes the son fallible as men are fallible. This is against the concept of a God as God is infallible. If we talk about the relational aspect, Aquinas view is that the son is begotten from the Father and the spirit proceeds from the father and son. This means the Father was present and the son originated later and the spirit came into being after the former 2. This makes the son and spirit non-eternal as there was a time where there was only a father and no son or Holy Spirit. If you say I am misunderstanding what essence mean and that it relates not to what God is composed of but what He fundamentally is then my argument is again you conflict composition with attributes. God is All-knowing, All-powerful, eternal, etc. These are His attributes but we don’t know what He is composed of.
Alhamdulillah. I was a Muslim before, and after watching this video, I remain a Muslim. Alhamdulillah. My faith is only for the one true God, Allah SWT.
The truth is coming from a. Pedo prophet? No it’s not. Christ is your God and judge,of the holy trinity which God is. Convert to the truth for your own good
multiplicity cannot come/emanate from simplicity,and the co existent of multiple identities is logically entailed in them,an example is space being relative to motion which means that the existence of space entails the existence of physical energy and time. Multiplicity is fundamental
Could you articulate the reason why an entity cannot compose itself? You could present a similar argument against divine simplicity: that every simplified being requires a simplifier. The claim that the objects in the universe are inseparable is highly controversial. Theories of eternal inflation would disagree, while some might agree with the notion of inseparability. Proponents of eternal inflation might argue that the universe is not composed of discrete objects. How would you respond to that?
The creator is simply regurgitating metaphysical arguments. These things have no evidence backing them. Considering he is a Catholic, he will most likely try to explain using an argument made by Aquinas or some other figure similar to him. If so, it's no doubt that these explanations will already have rebuttals written. Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of philosophy, especially metaphysics, so I may not be truly understanding the reasoning behind your question.
Apologies if this is a silly question, but is not the case that expressions like «the hand of God», «the face of God», «the muscle of God» etc are only anthropomorphic metaphorical expressions we also see frequently in the Bible? We Christians do not think of them as meaning literally that God has a face, a muscle and so on, so perhaps those are not meant to be taken at face value in the Islamic tradition either? The second point I do not quite follow is about the composite's dependence on parts, in that parts precede the whole. For instance, when a human is conceived, he already has a physical body, but it does not yet have arms, legs, eyes and so on, which develop only later. Does the whole not precede parts here?
Its because they don't have an argument against Islam that they resort to these philosophical word plays that no one believes to avert from the trinity. It's a strawman. They make up their own arguments and then debunk them. Any sincere person can see right through it
@@Antking001 salafi muslims actually believe these attributes of allah are real unlike christians. christians believe these physical attributes are metaphorical. With the definition he gave of a composite being if allahs attributes are real but are not allah he is a composite being. Christians believe each attribute of god, the different persons of the trinity are god.
@masoq4702 You need to read more instead of relying on Christian apologists. Christianity doesn't have an argument, nor can it divert the topic from the trinity
3:07 This begs the question: why can't the complete being ever be anterior to its parts? because of how we build things in the real world? Seems naïve. Also, what prevents the muslim from not taking the passage as literal?
Your claim that Allah is a composite being only holds if His attributes are seen as having their own ontological existences and could exist apart from Him, but since we affirm that the attributes are essential qualities (not parts) of His essence, the composition argument doesn't apply. As for the dependence argument, if you argue that Allah’s essential attributes make Him dependent, then by that same logic, your own God must be dependent on His attributes, which contradicts your belief in God’s independence. Furthermore, essential attributes do not imply dependence on something external. Just as you would not claim God’s goodness makes Him dependent, the same applies to Allah.
a composite being is not dependent on its attributes, for example your finger is one of your attributes, if you lose a finger do you cease to be yourself? The christian Gods attributes are god themselves however allahs attributes are not and are separate from his essence
As a Muslim scholar, I respectfully disagree with the arguments presented against the Islamic concept of God. The Islamic understanding of Allah's attributes is more nuanced than portrayed here. Some key points to consider: Divine Simplicity: While Islamic theology doesn't use the term "Divine Simplicity" as used in Christian scholasticism, the concept of Allah's unity (tawhid) is fundamental. Allah is considered absolutely one, indivisible, and without parts. Attributes of Allah: In Islamic theology, Allah's attributes are not seen as separate parts or additions to His essence. They are understood as aspects of His perfect, indivisible nature. Transcendence: Islamic theology emphasizes Allah's transcendence (tanzih) - He is utterly beyond creation and human comprehension. This makes it problematic to apply human logic or philosophical constructs too rigidly to His nature. Essence and Attributes: The relationship between Allah's essence and attributes has been a subject of theological discussion in Islam. Many scholars view them as neither identical nor separate, but as aspects of His indivisible unity. Anthropomorphic Descriptions: Quranic verses or hadiths that seem to attribute physical characteristics to Allah are generally interpreted metaphorically or understood as beyond human comprehension. Incomparability: The Quran states "There is nothing like unto Him" (42:11), emphasizing Allah's uniqueness and incomparability to creation. Dependence: Islamic theology firmly holds that Allah is not dependent on anything. His attributes are not seen as making Him dependent, but as essential aspects of His perfect nature. In conclusion, while the Islamic concept of God may differ from the Thomistic understanding of Divine Simplicity, it maintains a strong emphasis on God's unity, transcendence, and independence from creation. The apparent complexity in describing Allah's attributes is more a limitation of human language and understanding than a reflection of any compositeness in the Divine nature.
you dislike jesus so much, muslims cant stop saying jesus lied, and they dont keep the commandments of moses. muslims shows they hate jesus by not wanting to read his words. (aka, surah 3:45, jesus is the word of god, the messiah. words of god cannot be corrupted, so open the bible!)
the problem is that you are pretending to refute ‘the God of Islam’ while surely knowing fully that beloved Aquinas took the essence-existence distinction and the corresponding contingency argument from Avicenna, and very many muslim philosophers accepted divine simplicity without any Trinitarian qualifications.
@@zuhayranjumul5201 I don't have to make an argument, all abdool practises revolve around carnal pleasures for men, I know this because I know many abdools personally
It’s told that Tommaso di Aquino had a supernatural experience, a vision of the Lord Jesus who told him: "Bene scripsisti de me, Thoma!" (latin for "You wrote correctly about me")
Not a Muslim or trying to defend Islam, but The Old Testament describes a God who walks and takes on different physical forms (burning bush, cloud, walks woth people etc). I get that the NT retcons the OT, but you are refuting the God concept of the OT.
I'm a layman but attributes do not fall into parts as attributes are the information that approve of something fitting a defination. If I say a "red apple" that apple has to be red and also an apple biologically otherwise it cannot be a "red apple". Similarly when we talk about God we approve of certain qualities such as omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence etc. because the definition of God depends upon those attributes. These attributes are not the actual essence of Allah Subhana wa Ta'ala as teh human mind cannot comprehend Him. there is a saheeh hadith about the Prophet Alaihis Salaam asking Allah SWT "I ask you by the names u have revealed and those u have not". All the qualities that Allah has, all of them we do not know. We only know some of them which differentiate between God and Not-God. For example, His attribute Al-Khaaliq (The Creator) means that He alone has created Al-Makhluq (The Creation). The Creator and Creation is a seperation between God and Not-God. this was only my understanding of the Islamic viewpoint, coming from a Muslim. I do not possess the time nor intellect to debate theology. May Allah guide us.
Dude, he disagrees with the fact that god lacking power disqualifies him from being god, u notice that in all of his point, Christianity's logic seems to be more used by him and that other guy, when they're objecting Islam, idk how does that make sense tbh
Why do Muslims use Arabic to describe certain things or events? You use it for describing "The Creator" and "The Creation." I can understand the Creator for it would point to Allah but I don't understand why you would use it for Creation. Would you mind explaining it to me?
@@Just_A_Response In Arabic morphology there are specific structures for different verb patterns. For example a verb has a 3 letter root (most of the time). The creation verb or "to create" is خ ل ق (Kha-La-Qa or khalaq.). The one who creates will be Khaaliq or Creator which is made by adding an Alif (or aleph) after the first letter or خالق. The one on which the verb is done is made by adding Meem or Mem to the start and then Vao or Vav after the 2nd letter so it will be مخلوق (Makhluq) or the Creation. Arabic is one of, if not the most dense and deep languages of all time. Arabic morphology describes an incredible relation between verbs and their conjugation. When we use words like Creator or Creation we are talking about theological terms that have very specific meaning in Arabic. "Making something" has a lot of words for in Arabic, but those specific Arabic terms have a specific type of meaning. This is the reason we use those Arabic terms Also, we protect our religion, it's Scripture and it's understanding. These people don't understand Greek properly or even Hebrew, let alone Aramaic which E'esa or Jesus peace be upon him spoke. We try to refrain from that and understand the Scripture in the tongue it came down.
@@abdullahhussain9675 If I understand you correctly the verbs are linked to the person, object or thing which performs the action. So if "John is running" it's just that, but if God (or Allah) is performing that action it's "God is Running." Correct?
NO, because God the Holy Trinity exists outside of our physical world, and it is virtually impossible to describe Him because of that. We have no frame of reference. Try describing the totality of the Grand Canyon (the vista, the colours, the terrain) to someone who has been blind from birth. That is the issue everyone runs into. How do you describe or explain an nth dimensional being using 4-dimensional concepts?
Lmao. Create a God in your mind, who is ontologically not comprehensible by human mind in his essence and attributes and the relation to each other, based on mere assumptions, speculations and name this method “reason” like Ancient pagan Greeks. This is not the God of the Prophets in the Old Testament nor the God to whom Jesus (God’s peace and blessings on him) prayed to. Rather this is a fake God of the Philosophers. This is not the speech of a Christian who claims to follow Jesus (God’s peace and blessings on him) who describes himself as following and fulfilling The Old Testament and who was sent to Israelites. This is rather the speech of a Neoplatonist Greek who worships his Henologist or Apophatic fake God.
+ You literally worship a human embodiment like pagans. Even worse than original pagans. Most pagans would worship statues whom they believed that they are tied to ghosts who have an interference right to the creator God or have received powers by the creator God. Only the most decadent and worse kind of pagans would worship a human embodiment as God. And the most schizophrenic part is that you ascribe this belief to a man who was raised among the Israelites who were known to be the most harshest rejectors of any image of God. Forget about human embodiment and you ascribe this belief to him despite that he never stated such a belief explicitly in your very own sources.
The quranic god is 1 being 1 person who would lack the ability to express and experience love/relationship until he created another being. However, if he then has to create another being, “a lesser being” he would be completely and utterly dependent on this lesser being. A god who lacks the ability to love and is dependent on another in order to express love, is no god at all. The blessed Holy Trinity is 1 Being who is 3 Eternal Persons who lacks nothing and is dependent on no one. Holy set apart and completely unlike any other being which every other being is 1 being 1 person who is dependent on God ✝️
You are wrong! This video is just the half side! Let me tell you what Islam actually tells about God! First listen! Allah/God -> We are told about attributes of God in Islam! We are told that he isn’t a Physical Being and God doesn’t depend upon anything! His point was God depends upon his attributes like Islam said and using word “parts” to achieve a certain Agenda! As Quran said! That humans are incapable of understanding how God looks or how God is all-seeing, all-knowing, self-Existing, uncreated and etc! Humans just can’t imagine it! We are just told these attributes of God and we don’t necessitate that God is a male or female and etc! Quran: “Say, God is One and Unique and there is nothing like him” We believe God is omnipotent, All-Knowing, and Eternal and etc without having a physical body but as a single being! Now does for seeing? God needs eye or what? We Muslims don’t make any assumptions about this for what we are told and cause we can’t imagine it! What we will imagine is 100% wrong case therefore causing the trouble of doing sin! All these attributes are of God! They can’t be separated from God is another claim of Islam! These attributes are of God for eternity! It’s a stupid question then to ask that can God end his omnipotence? -> They can’t be separated from God! God is Eternal so can God die? -> These are stupid questions because they make no sense! Next cause we don’t necessitate God is made up of parts but he is a Single Being -> God is independent with these attributes and God is nothing like anything in creation! Next point is about hands! I have heard another about God having face and hand! But the one he mentioned is what I would say that this Hadis (word of prophet Muhammad) isn’t that much authentic, for you don’t know Quran is 100% preserved correctly and we have matching till the manuscripts of prophet time! While Hadis are passed orally and some are made by people so Hadis may or may not be word of prophet Muhammad Even if I accept after this Prophet mentioned God have face or hands. The hands and face being talked is just describing that God has these features! Now are they like of humans? No, nothing you imagine or have seen will be like them! Like Quran already tells! So, God hands and face refers to that God have a certain feature which is the feature of God as single being! And this feature cannot be separated from God like Quran already told! Therefore, I refute this video. And idk why Christian’s are making claims that this disprove Islam! Don’t you think so they have so much hatred for Muslims for no reasons? Like Without lies Islam dies! And these question make more sense in Christianity point then Islam cause we can easily doge these cause that’s just a despair attempt of making Quran false but this will work in case of Christianity cause Christianity have 3 100% Gods in 1 being! And can be separated as well! And they each have free will! Now if each one of them wants different colour of a human skin (anyone), they will have dispute cause they have free will! And now this will be the thing that actually limit the Power of God on omnipotence and raise question! Would you agree?
@@AbdulRehman-o2z4p btw you didn't refute his comment, and we don't believe the persons of the Trinity have three will, they have one will since if we believe that they have three wills that wouldn't make them three but one God
@@Eztefen If they don’t have 3 will therefore, neither father, nor Jesus or Holy Spirit are able to make any choice -> Lost the ability to think rather some other being Unkown make choices Not even asking that are these 3 100% God as separate and even as one and not to mention Father is greater than I -> Father > Jesus -> Therefore Jesus can’t be God Next Jesus and Holy Spirit were on Earth. Father was idk -> Therefore your triune God didn’t existed and Yet, they don’t have wills therefore God isn’t even a Living being in Christianity according to You -> Rather he can speak and make choices of his will? Also how God could Exist when neither Jesus nor Holy Spirit nor Gather were One? And if he doesn’t need them to be his parts -> Rather these 3 are just added complexity to one God
@@Eztefen Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa (The Women) O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
But Muslim theologians (muta’kallimun) and mystics do think that God is absolutely simple. One only has to read Ghazali or Ibn Arabi to realise that. There are some Muslims, such as the Salafiyah , who do think that God has parts but they couldn’t tell you exactly what that means
@@ayaanhashmi5325Ashari school doesnt affirm divine simplicity bruh. It accepts attributes, just represents the literal attributes like Allah's "Hands" as just a metaphor for another attribute. And his "honing" on the athari creed was embarrasing, he misrepresented it horribly
@@Hxzaifaaa The Qiyas they use to justify the metaphor thing is negative theology, god doesn't have a hand, a mouth, ears ect. It's divine simplicity. Asharis do affirm divine simplicity.
There are so many wrong things about this video, like for an example claiming Islam is wrong because some Muslim scholars have different opinion about nature of God? You refuted those Islamic scholars, not Islam itself. Also God can't be defined by ANYTHING in Creation including our feeble philosophy because that would be equating imperfect Creation to Perfect Creator. Whatever we THINK God is like is only a delusion of what God ACTUALLY is no matter how we define it
I agree that there are Islamic schools which have a much better theology than the standard Sunni Muslims. Especially if you look it Salafis, you see a very flawed ontological understanding of God, while the Mutazilla have a much better ontology.
But by that logic if the Quran is so perfect why would there be different opinions of Islamic scholars on very fundamental issues. Also just saying that a “god can’t be defined by anything” isn’t anything new. Even Hindus explained exactly what you call Allah millennia before Islam or Christianity. They also make more sense with the concept of Brahman than Allah as a god.
@@lincabe321 If God didn't bother to describe the nature of His own self in His book, why would I inquire about His nature? God and His prophet are the only authority in Islam. Prophet and his companions never talked about God's nature and nor did God inform us about His own self that means God is transcendent, cannot be grasped by human beings. Later, those scholars who were influenced by the Greek philosophy asked these questions about the nature of God which lead to disagreements between them. Same applies to Biblical scholars, God nowhere describes His own nature in Bible. It's only muslim, Christian and Jewish scholars who were themselves involved in these discourses. God never described Himself. In fact, He condemns doing so in one place in the Quran. God says, "It is He who has revealed to you this Book which has verses that are muḥkam (Established/Clear), they are the foundation of the Book and some others that are mutashābihāt (Analogical). Then those whose hearts are perverted always go after the mutashābihāt from among it in order to create dissension and in order to know their reality even though no one except God knows their reality. On the other hand, those who are well grounded in this knowledge say, “We believe in them, all this is from our Lord.” And no one will be reminded except those of understanding." Quran 3:7 Mutashābihāt include topics like the nature of God, the nature of the soul, angels and eschatological concepts such as the descriptions of heaven and hell, we cannot see but we believe because God informs us about them. After believing in God through the arguments He provides in His book for His existence, it's reasonable to accept all the unseen things He tells us about. These things are unseen, but they are not unreasonable when God speaks of them. God, for our understanding in His book just gives us a simple analogy about many metaphysical things, for example soul, He at one place in the Quran compares it with a breath which He breathes into flesh to make it human and after giving this analogy He says you have been given but little knowledge. "They ask you ''O Prophet'' about the spirit. Say, it's nature is known only to my Lord, and you ''O humanity'' have been given but little knowledge." Quran 17:85 In behavioral sciences (Psychoanalysis), we study the behavior or the characteristics of human psyche but can't really describe the nature of soul (what it's made of) because it's metaphysical. The nature of God's own self is also a metaphysical concept and when it comes to describing His own nature, God says ليس كمثله شيء There is nothing like Him in the universe which you know of and can compare to Him in order to understand His nature. This cannot be applied to His creation in the way it's applied to God. Creation can easily be compared in order to understand the nature of creation like different living organisms. We just have no idea about the nature of God!
@@johncena12366 Maybe it has to do with the fact that he married a 6 year old girl, owned sex slaves and massacred innocent people for not following him? Even if Muhammad was somehow correct in his theology, he was still an objectively terrible person and shouldn't be looked up to by anyone - let alone millions of Muslims.
I find the doctrine of Existential Inertia quite compelling: composite objects will continue existing in the absence of anything which can destroy their structure. Hence, to explain the continued existence of composite objects, we don't need to appeal to some continuous, sustaining/composing cause. Even if God is a composite being, he wouldn't need a sustaining cause. God was never composed and there exists no entity which can destroy its parts.
Daym bro, everything you discussed here was discussed by ibn sinna prior to the guy you mentioned in your video way before that, and he didn't just describe it, he was the first guy to even put this concept before the public eye.😂 keep grinning dude and yeah I'm totally upto any debate and I will destroy your faith if you challenge me and your faith too
Christian God throughout the whole bible -old and new testaments- has many distinct attributes and acts that cannot indicate a simple God. God pass over egypt (exo, 12, 13) the lord is a man of war and has nostrils and has a great arm (exo, 15, 3-7) and God decent onto sinai (exo, 19, 16) God has hand, and has back parts as it was explicitly said at (exo, 13, 22/23). Etc So, This simple god that Aquinas is talking about, is not the Christian God, but Aristotle’s unmoved mover. Dear Christians, please don’t let a greek heathen philosopher dictate to you how you perceive your own God.
Love the difference between the comments on the converting Islam and converting Christians. Like why can’t we be happy? I’m Catholic and honestly we don’t need people to pretend to believe or join. Weeding out the bad and inviting those that willingly want to follow.
Personally, the idea of the trinity seems more illogical than the idea that God is composed of parts. Since people can justify the trinity by saying that our minds can’t comprehend it, you can justify God having body parts the same way.
Positive mysteries arent the same as negative mysteries, and this is just a tu quoque fallacy which deems both religious erroneous, even though your statement on the Trinity is false
Thinkers and scholars of the Western world agreed 😂 that the pillars of the new Christianity Which was brought by the Jew "Saul" or "Paul" (he is really smart) Influenced by pagan religions 😂😂😂 that were prevalent before Christ 😂😂😂 peace be upon him 😎 We are talking about thinkers who were born into Christian families and studied in Christian schools 😎😂😂😂😂
@@johncena12366 If Christianity doesn’t make any sense to you then why are the Hadiths (Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi) specifically plagiarizing from Matthew 25:31-46 which was written hundreds of years before then? You say it makes more sense, but it’s been proven that the Quran has taken stories from the Torah, Gospel, and old Pagan traditions combining them all. If you’re going to say it makes more sense then at least give us one example of why it does. No sensible person is just going to take your word for it.
Holy crap two minutes in and he just described the exact construction of a sentient being in Buddhism. In fact, they have a principle called dependent origination, and anything that is dependently originated is not the whole. Understanding that one is dependently originated allows one to see that they do not exist without relationship to everything. Therefore, they are everything because there is no self independent of others. Because of this, any singular self independent of others is empty, and emptiness is the nature of the singular, of the whole. I am a Christian and I also identify with Buddhism. I am very much convinced they are the same in that there is an algebraic transformation between them. That is to say that the difference between them is a matter of perception, not a matter of essence.
Finally, a video refuting real Islamic theology. Not some Evangelical vs. some practically Protestant Muslim, but a real Catholic refuting real Islam. And ofc the biggest brained person ever, St. Thomas Aquinas.
I’m not understanding how what was mentioned earlier in the video about God having the attribute of omnipotence as a mentally constructed “part” of his singular/simple nature rather than it being a true part of him in the sense that there is a reality from which he is composed contradicts any of what Ibn Taymiyya said on the subject of divine attributes presented later in the video.
Where is the proof outside of the Quran that the message Jesus was preaching was corrupted? The earliest non-biblical texts show a Church teaching much of what both Catholics and Orthodox hold today.
@@ElessarofGondor You don't need the Quran to know that the Bible is corrupted (as a result of missing texts, later additions, unknown authors etc). Also, looking at the modern day Gospel, it's obvious that not everything Jesus said was written down.
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Best video I made so far 🤝🏼☦️
I agree
@@Diom_des God bless you ☦️🙏🏼
not really
@@zzzui-c9zWhy?
@@TheChrisf95I think the video went good tbh
The internet is the worst thing happened to Islam
Lol..its the total opposite, the confusing philosophies that kept people stuck in other religions started getting debunked thanks to the internet and people are accepting islam faster than ever before!
Exactly 💯
@@Hassan-fc2tsIts going up and down. Converts are concurrent to amounts of people openly apostatizing, and some leave after a few years and were not counted in some of the studies as it only counted raised muslims who left. Probably a lot more apostates in private due to threats of death and having their lives destroyed.
@@Hassan-fc2ts didle a minor like that pdf heretic of a prophet you have than. We know the man from his works. A pdf womanizer hedonist is never from God Almighty
@@Hassan-fc2ts lol yeah right, in you dreams
I left islam and converted to ✝️ last year
No regrets
bro this concept completely contradicts christianity way more. Since your god can be a human and is a tri entity. not one inseparable being. So I dont know why your so proud of yourself commenting here
@@Huran1 fr 😭😭😭
@@Huran1if a God can not be a human then you’re God is not the God of all power. Christ was fully God and fully man, showing his ultimate power. 😂
@@Huran1 Your statement misunderstands the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Christianity teaches that God is one inseparable being with a single, undivided essence, existing as three distinct persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These persons are not separate entities but share the same divine nature. Jesus, the Son, is fully God and fully human, but this does not divide God's essence. The Trinity is one God, not three separate gods or beings.
@@Huran1Your telling us why God; a powerful, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, being but you find it hard to believe he can be a man without normal means. Yet believe he can be a burning bush while having different body parts. The Trinity is complicated because our God is literally BEYOND infinity and eternity. Yes it’s difficult, but if simple Homo sapiens are able to comprehend our brains are printed exactly like the universe, then it is unreasonable to believe that humans CAN’T understand the Trinity, we CAN but there is so much discuss.
The internet is having a field day on Islam.
I love it. It’s crumbling. This is a major win for people that fall for its lies and for everyone else that deals with its oppression and violence.
@TacoTuesday4 dude what? A lot of statistics say that financial losses for Christianity is the most, christians have a lot of apostates, almost all atheists are ex christians what are u talking about
@@TacoTuesday4 yall say this when every census from almost every country (that has widespread and easily accessible internet) over the past few years show islam gaining about 2+ million a year and christianity losing 8+ million a year. The only places that christianity is gaining are basically third world countries that have limited to no access to internet. Not only that but all of you are inept in your logic as the argument in this video would also go against all denominations of christianity and judasim. Add to the fact that the last part proves the argument wrong and for some reason the linked reference was a discord screenshot that doesn't even work anymore. Almost every video of this guys is a gross misinterpretation of Islam or a straight up lie. I've been "debunking" him in all the comments and its the same. You guys somehow think you're more educated when you guys can't even tell me what the pillars of faith are for islam, and thats for all you ex-muslims/"i studied islam for years" who somehow practiced it for decades and can't even tell me basic things about islam. All you guys do is take hadiths, interpret it yourselves, and make up a new meaning. But what can you expect, you guys do it to your own scriptures so why not do it to others right? Please come at me with all you got, I have no problem wasting hours debating you guys.😁
@@aubry980all this yapping and doesn’t realise Islam is entrenched within one ethnic group which is growing in the developed world because they are fleeing their own countries they destroyed. With a vast number of islams followers not knowing anything other than family tradition, never thinking for themselves. When they do they quickly throw off Islam
@@TacoTuesday4where you seeing crumbling?!? 🤣🤣
Without lies, Islam dies
it dies even with lies
Paul said, “Why do you call me a liar? I glorify God with my lie. But Islam taught us to be honest and to say the truth.”
@@ibrahimelmasry-z3k taqiyya alert.
@@ibrahimelmasry-z3k What?
@@ibrahimelmasry-z3k you tweaking so hard. Lord bless you
"no body is in motion unless it be put in motion" - St. Thomas Aquinas
Aquinas is one of the Goat philosophers of Catholicism, i say that as a non christian.
We Atharis reject the notion that Allah possesses separable parts or any part-whole relationship. While composition implies separable parts forming a whole, we maintain that Allah’s attributes, though real and distinct, are not separable from His essence. Abstract descriptors, by definition, differ from the concrete subjects they describe, and Allah’s attributes are abstract descriptors of His essence. This distinction among His attributes does not introduce composition, so rejecting Absolute Divine Simplicity does not imply that Allah is composed in any sense.
@@obijack08 Making distinctions in God means he is composed of these things.
Lo and behold, Newton also scientifically proved this, that's why Christianity is the TRUTH, baby!
@@JasbethRodriguez
how do you know about God?
GLORY BE TO THE FATHER, TO THE SON, AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. HALLELUJAH. AMEN.
Please you may read the entire discussion below to know the real truth about Christianity and Islam. >>>
Based on the Bible, FAITHFUL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESES agreed with "ISLAM" THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD! (Very interesting, so just read and learn below:)
"Yes, Yes, Yes, It Is “Very Obvious” That We As Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses “Deny” That Jesus is God!!
But, Why?
Because, Jesus himself “denied” that he is God, and we “believe” Jesus when he tells the Jewish religious leaders who he really is, and they accused him of “blasphemy” for telling them the truth about who he really is.
So, Jesus, had the opportunity to set the record straight, once and for all time, as to whether he is God, or not!!
Now , the question becomes this:
Who, did Jesus tell the Jewish religious leaders that he is?
Well, to get the answer, we must go to (John 10:36) in the Bible, this Bible Scripture has Jesus asking why they are calling it “blasphemy,” when he tells them who he really is.
John 10:36, (New Living Translation) has Jesus asking them this question, it reads:
[“Why do you call it “blasphemy” when I say I am the “Son of God?” After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.”]
Yes, Jesus himself says that he is the “Son of God,” and thus he “denied” that he is God.
In fact, the Jewish religious leaders had Jesus put to death, because he said that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 19:5, 7, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(5) [“When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, ‘Here is the man!”]
(7) [“The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to it he “must die,” because he claimed to be the “Son of God.”]
So, now, the thought provoking questions are these:
Who, are we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses supposed to believe?
Jesus, when he says that he is the “Son of God,”?
Or, the people, who are saying that “Jesus is God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” and we “refuse” to believe the people who say that Jesus is God!!
Why?
Because, to believe that Jesus is God, would be calling “Jesus a liar” at (John 10:36) where Jesus says that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural reason, why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” when he says that he is the “Son of God,” at (John 10:36):
1 Peter 2:22, (Contemporary English Version) reads:
[“Christ did not sin or ever tell a lie.”]
So, Jesus, “did not lie” when he said that he is the “Son of God” as shown above, at (John 10:36)!!
Will, you believe Jesus in his own words, that he is the “Son of God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses do!!
Clearly, it has been Scripturaly proven, by Jesus own words, that he isn't God, Jesus says that he is the “Son of God,” right?
So, who is God, according to the Bible, and God himself?
Deuteronomy 4:35, (The Bible In Living English) answers the question, who is God? It reads:
[“You have been shown, so that you may know, that “Jehovah is God,” there is “no other” besides him.”]
So , the above Bible Scripture shows us that “Jehovah is God,” and that there is “no other” besides him, right?
And, this next Bible Scripture has Jehovah God himself, in his own words, confirming that besides him, there is no God.
Isaiah 45:5, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“I am “Jehovah,” and there is none else; besides me there is no God.”]…
So, when Jehovah God says:“Besides me there is no God,” it is a true statement, he “did not lie.”
Jehovah God “cannot” lie, it is impossible, and here is the Scriptural Proof:
Hebrews 6:18, (English Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is “impossible” for God to lie.”]
So, the absolute truth from the Bible, is that “Jehovah is God,” and Jesus is the “Son of God,” yes, the Son of Jehovah God.
And, as far as any Bible Scriptures that show Jesus is divine, or angels are divine, or whether a human being is divine, being called divine “does not” mean that you are God!!
So, what does being called “divine” mean?
Well, I googled,
“What does it mean if someone calls you divine”?
And, here is the information that came up from the, American English- Collins Dictionary, it reads:
[“Devoted to God, religious, supremely great, good.”]…
So, to be called “divine,” means that you are devoted to God, and as shown above by means of the Bible, “Jehovah is God,” and there are many examples of angels, and humans, being devoted to God in the Bible.
Jesus, is also devoted to his Father, Jehovah God, he was sent to earth by Jehovah God, to do his will.
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 6:35, 38, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(35) [“Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.”]
(38) [“For I have come down from heaven “not” to do my will but to do the will of him who “sent” me.”]
So, again, to be called divine, “does not mean” that you are God, thee God, God Almighty, those titles belong to Jehovah God only!!
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
Genesis 17:1, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, “Jehovah” appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am “God Almighty.”]…
Yes, Jehovah God is “thee” God, God Almighty, and besides him there is no God!!
So, here is something to think about:
If, Jesus was “God in the flesh,” as billions of people have been “misled” into believing, that would mean that people “saw” God, right?
So, how do you explain this Bible Scripture:
1 John 4:12, (New International Version) reads:
[“No one has “ever seen” God, if we love one another God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”]
Yes, the above Bible Scripture, shows us that “No one has ever seen God,” right ?
So, how could Jesus have been God, or “God in the flesh,” when people saw Jesus, and the Bible clearly shows us that “No one has ever seen God”?
How?
Think, about that.
And, all of the above, is the Scriptural reasons why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses obviously deny that Jesus is God, and why Jesus himself denies that he is God, at (John 10:36) quoted above."
Was Christ sexist? All his apostles were men.
As it was in the beginning, forever shall be, world without end. Amen!
“Yes Santus Apologetics” we all say in unison.
glazing
@@Lizard1008 lol
Allah in the Quran makes no sense. Bro really gave a gospel to Mosses and Jesus knowin they would get corrupted. Waited 600 years to correct them and sent an angel to Muhhamd instead of going himself, then didnt give Muhammad any visible miracles while giving Mosses and Jesus visible miracles
Don't repeat lies, open the Quran, read the Quran to know the truth. Jesus and Moses legalized slavery and allowed the buying and selling of people, but Muhammad and the Quran do not contain the buying and selling of one person by another. There is no origin for the books of the Old or New Testament, all of them are lost origins. Do you know who wrote the Book of Genesis? Exodus? Deuteronomy? When? Luke? In what year? You don't know, no one knows, but every Muslim knows that the Quran was written by Muhammad and compiled into a Mushaf in the year 11 AH.
so it makes sense for God to eat and take a 💩 like jesus demonstrated?
I ain't worshiping your 💩
@Frazier16 Why would yahweh choose one race of people, speak only to them, and help them commit genocide against others? Why not guide the other nations too? Because it is a tribal war god. In Islam, God has spoken to all nations via prophets. He doesn't condemn people without giving them a chance. People corrupt teachings because they do evil. Then a new prophet comes and corrects them. Mohammad is the last of them, and the revelation is completed. It will not change. If someone claims to be a prophet, we don't believe him because it is ended. People believed Mohammad without him showing any magic tricks. He didn't need it. When his son died, a solar eclipse occured. He rejected people's attempt to correlate these two things saying "son and moon doesn't eclipse for anyone".
@Frazier16 Yahweh hammered the idea of one god to jews heads for a thousand years and suddenly decided he has a son which is also god. His spirit is god too. Forbade human sacrifice but sacrificed his son. Mohammad didn't need any miracles. Even if he had, it would be worthless to us because we can't see them happen.
@@leafw3b Christianity is a pile of lies and superstitions that clash with logic.
Bro Islam is so toxic online, they either mock us or make the most stupid acoustic arguments. Really bad, I hope they find the truth we have.
Also the insufferable dawah channels where someone has to get “destroyed” every 5 mins… is that how they remain faithful or something???
So islam is toxic just because the dawah TH-camrs win arguments against stubborn dogmatic Christian apologist. 😅
@@MystoGun650 they never win any argument bro, they just employ silly muslim tactics like avoiding and attacking without answering any questions.
@@nandinooNo. We debunked your religion on a daily basis, Christianity is doomed.
@@MystoGun650it’s the A mocking. And B terrible arguments such as “Christians think 1+1+1=1!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK HOW STUPID THEY ARE” no Christian thinks this, either interact with how we perceive God and stop making strawmans to knock down or leave
@@MystoGun650I’m going to assume you didn’t watch Sam Shamoun and Jay Dyer’s full debate with Daniel Haqiqitue and Ajiz?
I recommend Sam shamoun, zakaria botrot, David wood, Rob Christian, nabi Asli, godlogic, nabeel qureshi, Christian Prince, Dr Jay smith investigating Islam.
@edwardchege2623 I recommend Nietzsche, Bertrand Russel, and Bart Ehrman for investigating Christianity.
@@johncena12366”Bart Ehrman” 😂😂😂😂😂
@@johncena12366 Bart Ehrman the cherry picker 🗣Bro should be a farmer 😂
You forget to mention apostate prophet
@d0ga012 He is one of the most renowned biblical scholars. He was a fundamentalist evangelical turned atheist. Because non of this christianity stuff makes sense.
0:04 that's saint-Bavo's cathedral! the one i go pray at! fancy seeing my cathedral on a youtube video!
Not even Catholic or Christian, but great video refuting the hypocrisy.
Catholics are Christian,just to clarify.
Catholics are Christian.
Catholic = Universal
Christian = Follower of Jesus or little Christ
But I’m glad you enjoyed 👍🏾
catholic is christian
I really love these types of videos. The editing is excellent, very educational etc.
Jesus Christ is the only true God ☦️
Why ? Because you're christain😂
And the Father?
@@uthman2281Christ and the father are one
@@uthman2281 I'm and father are One ☦️🙏
@@LionOf.Christread further Jesus prays that he and his disciples become one “just like he and the father are one”
The entire idea of a God having to just be in order to be God is a really good explanation for God’s real name
“God replied to Moses, “I Am Who I Am...”
Exodus 3:14 NLT
God is saying that not only is He eternal, but He just “is”. As in, the reason He exists, is because He does.
You can't be a Christian and not accept divine simplicity
No you cannot.
Which is deeply ironic, given that I would imagine that most non-Christians, including most Muslims, might be scratching their heads wondering how a 'triune God' who literally incarnated in the figure of Jesus Christ could ever be described as 'simple', after all it took numerous church councils to even come up with an 'official line' on the subject, that was then hotly contested for centuries after
Divine simplicity is not subscribed to in the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith tradition though.
@@kevinjanghj they do
@@kevinjanghjThey do. It is just that we dont consider the Palamite energy vs essence distinction as rejection of divine simplicity
From a ex-muslim now follower of our Lord Christ thanks for the video !
Muslim from where? Curious what led you to christianity
How many rakah in wudhu
@@Mass-dn1vunotice how your first inclination is to call them a liar or question their understanding of Islam 😂
Maybe let’s just assume that he is telling the truth and that he came to this decision not in ignorance? when you assume people are liars and stupid I don’t think we get very far.
God bless you☦️
@@TCM1231I have never seen someone leaving Islam for christianity. No one moves from one God to three. People who leave Islam leave religion all together.
This channel is top quality. Keep up the good work.
“No! You’re wrong because this is all just pagan philosophy!”
- Muhammad (probably)
“No! You’re wrong because God is not a man, as taught by all prophets, so worship God alone” -Muhammed (Actually)
@@La_Fata_Ila_AliIf God cannot possibly be man and divine at the same time, how must he be all powerful?
@@ConfusedG2382 can God make himself cease to exist? Can God get rid of his powers to the point of never getting them back, effectively getting rid of God?
The answer to both of these is no, and it shows that being all powerful automatically makes you unable to get rid of your power. It’s a contradiction to being all powerful if you are able to limit your power.
@@La_Fata_Ila_Aliyou kinda just invalidated a few theological doctrines
@@NathanAtkinson-nl3ge how so
Bro never fails to increase my IQ by leaps and bounds 🗣️🗣️🗣️W video keep It up
because surely we should start our theology with aristolelian philosophical assumptions about what God is and not divine revelation
@@Justin-tk1wr in part, yes
I find it funny watching holes being poked in infallible ideas.
@@DM5550Z then you should start watching Jay Dyer thank me later :)
r/iamverysmart
I am enjoying these video analysing islam from the presepective of great minds of the past. Good job , keep it up ! We will be here to support you!
same. ik some islamic apologists will probably try to respond and "refute" him like they did with the original aquinas vid, but i could care less. this is just cool to see
Really enjoy your videos
I had a lovely muslim bloke who came in to repair our carpet that was saying that Jesus never actually died and is still alive!
We had a good chat, but it was so interesting hearing him trying to argue against Jesus' divinity and the Trinity.
God bless.
Then jesus pleaded
"if it's possible, take the cup away" and fell to his face on the ground
well, everything is possible for God, so?
why are christians defending jesus's abusive father soo much?
God isn't abusive, jesus was saved unscathed from the cross by God
@@aiya5777Muslims believe Jesus will die in his second coming what are you talking about?
@@pixarfreak1 what Are You talking about?
I'm not referring to the second coming part
@@galaxxy09 Jesus died the first time, am muslim. He won't come back.
@@johncena12366untrue, Allah said in the Quran: {إذ قال الله يا عيسى إني متوفيك ورافعك إلي ومطهرك من الذين كفروا
I’m absolutely curious how the other side would present their case. Growing up as a Muslim, I was never exposed to rigorous thinking on God. Only now within the Catholic Church that I find clarity on who He is. Christ’s peace be with us all.
The philosophical failure of each, every, any religion - is in direct proportion to the number of philosophers murdered by each.
As an ex Muslim turning to Christ this channel clears up a lot and is very educational. I studied Islam in a well established Islamic institute to be an Islamic scholar, yet when I tried to say the attributes of Allah shows Allah has parts the teachers would respond with don’t ask those questions Allah knows best, even though we studied the theological difference between Islamic scholarship (that discuss this topic and show Allah is composite but Muslims fail to see how a composite god cannot be the true god)
If you are an ex-muslim tell me the name of the salah that young people do when they’re in love and ask God for help in their affairs
@@AM-pr3gc "Studied" Islam but doesn't know there are various philosophical schools of theology, not one.
Islam is wank, but I'm calling bs here. You're so obviously not who you say you are.
@@johncena12366jealous that we had more Philosophy and Theology
Than your "Philosophy" And "Theology"
Both Judism and Christianity state nobody has seen God (The Father) but Islam says he has 2 right hands one shin 2 feet etc
Thats only some sunni sects iirc.
That’s not true. Jesus said told Philip in John 14:9 “If you have seen me, you have seen the father”.
Meaning that Jesus is God and he and the father share the divine essence
No
And didn't Moses see God's back in Exodus or Leviticus?
@Sanctus, as a Athari, we affirm the attributes are predictions to his essence that conform to the essences ability’s and descriptions. When we say Allah has a hand, they are intrinsic predicting his essence having the ability to hold/ grab (and however he choose to predict) things. So if we made a distinction between Allah hand and his knowledge, the distinction would be by virtue that the his essence has the distinct ability to hold/ grab and to know all; which would be distinct abilities in reality and not parts.
2 principles important principles of the ash’ari/maturidi school is Al-Wahdaniyya (oneness) in essence, attributes, and actions. The other to note is mukhalifatu lil-hawadith (opposition to that which is created). These principles of theology give the true scholars lens to interpret the Islamic texts.
The concept of a hand or shin found in the Quran or hadith are simply metaphorical or rhetorical tools to get a point across. An example such as ‘Allahs hands are over their hands’ in the 48th chapter in the Quran can be akin to saying Allahs power is over their power.
Let your followers know that the man you quote took inspiration from great theological minds such as Al Ghazali and Ibn Rushd (Averroes)
I love this channel so much. I’ve been having this thought for a long time and even Christian apologist don’t talk about it so much. This seems like the first time someone is pointing this out.
The fact that someone has a simple and logic idea of “God” that is easily understandable to men doesn’t necessarily make it true. Anyone could have come up with that idea without any divine inspiration. What we’re sure of is the fact that God is not human or his creation. So why must his nature follow the logic of this world?
Christ is Based
The idea's discussed in the first half of this video are truly brilliant and necessary for our understanding of God. The ideas credited to Aquinas though, can actually all be traced back to Avicenna, and his "Proof of The Truthful" (which today has evolved into 'the contingency argument'). Avicenna was a Muslim Philosopher/Theologian/Doctor who came up with this argument in an Islamic framework.
You did an excellent job detailing the contingency argument, it's just that you've misinterpreted the Hadith at the end. It actually corroborates what you had been saying that whole time, and is basically explaining the "It's not that god is contingent on his power, it is that we can only understand his infiniteness through our human lens" argument that you had said earlier.
Here's a good 15 minute youtube video about Avicenna's 'Proof of the Truthful' for those of us who don't feel like reading ancient Arabic manuscripts:
th-cam.com/video/SLsElgfhZtM/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps!
will u response if someone makes a wannabe "debunk" to this?
My boy Aquinas tagged in Old Uncles Plato and Aristotle for this one.
I was ur first view and like Nice video by the way!
Great video! Would like to point out that there is a very popular Islamic school called the Ashari school who have a similar conception of God to the Christian conception and reject the conception given by Ibn Taymiyyah (who is basically the poster boy of modern day salafism).
you're claiming that the Islamic conception of God implies a composite being, but this is not the Islamic position as it's stated in the quran "God is absolutely one, unique, and indivisible", sure, scholars like Ibn Taymiyyah, do acknowledge that God has attributes but it strongly maintains that these attributes do not imply any division or composition within God's essence. When Muslims say that Allah is "The Merciful" or "The All-Powerful," they are not implying that mercy or power is a separate entity within God but rather that these are aspects of how God's essence is manifest in relation to His creation.
Qur'an 5:64, 68:42, 52, 48. Doesn’t sound indivisible and unique to me… at least not under of what you call monotheism, since you deny the trinity
Please you may read the entire discussion below to know the real truth about Christianity and Islam. >>>
Based on the Bible, FAITHFUL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSESES agreed with "ISLAM" THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD! (Very interesting, so just read and learn below:)
"Yes, Yes, Yes, It Is “Very Obvious” That We As Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses “Deny” That Jesus is God!!
But, Why?
Because, Jesus himself “denied” that he is God, and we “believe” Jesus when he tells the Jewish religious leaders who he really is, and they accused him of “blasphemy” for telling them the truth about who he really is.
So, Jesus, had the opportunity to set the record straight, once and for all time, as to whether he is God, or not!!
Now , the question becomes this:
Who, did Jesus tell the Jewish religious leaders that he is?
Well, to get the answer, we must go to (John 10:36) in the Bible, this Bible Scripture has Jesus asking why they are calling it “blasphemy,” when he tells them who he really is.
John 10:36, (New Living Translation) has Jesus asking them this question, it reads:
[“Why do you call it “blasphemy” when I say I am the “Son of God?” After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.”]
Yes, Jesus himself says that he is the “Son of God,” and thus he “denied” that he is God.
In fact, the Jewish religious leaders had Jesus put to death, because he said that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 19:5, 7, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(5) [“When Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilate said to them, ‘Here is the man!”]
(7) [“The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to it he “must die,” because he claimed to be the “Son of God.”]
So, now, the thought provoking questions are these:
Who, are we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses supposed to believe?
Jesus, when he says that he is the “Son of God,”?
Or, the people, who are saying that “Jesus is God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” and we “refuse” to believe the people who say that Jesus is God!!
Why?
Because, to believe that Jesus is God, would be calling “Jesus a liar” at (John 10:36) where Jesus says that he is the “Son of God.”
And, here is the Scriptural reason, why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses, “believe Jesus,” when he says that he is the “Son of God,” at (John 10:36):
1 Peter 2:22, (Contemporary English Version) reads:
[“Christ did not sin or ever tell a lie.”]
So, Jesus, “did not lie” when he said that he is the “Son of God” as shown above, at (John 10:36)!!
Will, you believe Jesus in his own words, that he is the “Son of God”?
We, as faithful Jehovah's witnesses do!!
Clearly, it has been Scripturaly proven, by Jesus own words, that he isn't God, Jesus says that he is the “Son of God,” right?
So, who is God, according to the Bible, and God himself?
Deuteronomy 4:35, (The Bible In Living English) answers the question, who is God? It reads:
[“You have been shown, so that you may know, that “Jehovah is God,” there is “no other” besides him.”]
So , the above Bible Scripture shows us that “Jehovah is God,” and that there is “no other” besides him, right?
And, this next Bible Scripture has Jehovah God himself, in his own words, confirming that besides him, there is no God.
Isaiah 45:5, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“I am “Jehovah,” and there is none else; besides me there is no God.”]…
So, when Jehovah God says:“Besides me there is no God,” it is a true statement, he “did not lie.”
Jehovah God “cannot” lie, it is impossible, and here is the Scriptural Proof:
Hebrews 6:18, (English Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is “impossible” for God to lie.”]
So, the absolute truth from the Bible, is that “Jehovah is God,” and Jesus is the “Son of God,” yes, the Son of Jehovah God.
And, as far as any Bible Scriptures that show Jesus is divine, or angels are divine, or whether a human being is divine, being called divine “does not” mean that you are God!!
So, what does being called “divine” mean?
Well, I googled,
“What does it mean if someone calls you divine”?
And, here is the information that came up from the, American English- Collins Dictionary, it reads:
[“Devoted to God, religious, supremely great, good.”]…
So, to be called “divine,” means that you are devoted to God, and as shown above by means of the Bible, “Jehovah is God,” and there are many examples of angels, and humans, being devoted to God in the Bible.
Jesus, is also devoted to his Father, Jehovah God, he was sent to earth by Jehovah God, to do his will.
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
John 6:35, 38, (New International Version) confirms this, it reads:
(35) [“Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.”]
(38) [“For I have come down from heaven “not” to do my will but to do the will of him who “sent” me.”]
So, again, to be called divine, “does not mean” that you are God, thee God, God Almighty, those titles belong to Jehovah God only!!
And, here is the Scriptural Proof:
Genesis 17:1, (American Standard Version) confirms this, it reads:
[“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, “Jehovah” appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am “God Almighty.”]…
Yes, Jehovah God is “thee” God, God Almighty, and besides him there is no God!!
So, here is something to think about:
If, Jesus was “God in the flesh,” as billions of people have been “misled” into believing, that would mean that people “saw” God, right?
So, how do you explain this Bible Scripture:
1 John 4:12, (New International Version) reads:
[“No one has “ever seen” God, if we love one another God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.”]
Yes, the above Bible Scripture, shows us that “No one has ever seen God,” right ?
So, how could Jesus have been God, or “God in the flesh,” when people saw Jesus, and the Bible clearly shows us that “No one has ever seen God”?
How?
Think, about that.
And, all of the above, is the Scriptural reasons why we as faithful Jehovah's witnesses obviously deny that Jesus is God, and why Jesus himself denies that he is God, at (John 10:36) quoted above."
@@esmaildidato8360 Your entire argument is debunked in the very beginning, when you affirm that Jesus had to opportunity to affirm he is God, and yet he didn’t. Your incoherence here begins by assuming that Jesus could just simply say “I am God” which isn’t true since the Jewish conception of God at that time, was the idea of God the Father, they believed he was bodyless, infinite and eternal, and that no one had ever seen the face of God without perishing, which is why prophets only saw him through manifestations, such as the burning bush. If Jesus claimed to be that, it would be wrong, since he ISN’T the Father, and he did have a body in which his essence inhabited, that was generated in Mary’s womb through the power of the Holy Spirit. He claimed to be “the Son of God” because he indeed is, he is eternally begotten from the Father, so he is God, he is the Word become flesh, and the Word is eternal because it’s not distinct from the Father (John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.”). Saying this would basically be denying other claims made by Jesus such as “The Father and I are One” or “before Abraham was I AM”, which can’t be misunderstood since being one with the Father implies he is God alongside the Father, and “I AM” is a title given only to God (Exodus 3:13-14 “13 Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.”[a][b] And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”), so saying that while NOT BEING GOD, would be blasphemy.
@@d0ga012 You do understand what metaphor and allegory is, right?
They just feel good to destroy a strawman. Any unbiased person knows that Unity is what define Islam.
Just look at their biggoted comments saying stupid slogan like "Allah the moon god", "without lie islam die", etc.
I mean, I am muslim, I can explain the differant theologies, sotoriologies and christologies they have, I can put myself into their shoes, and try to conceive how they think. I can also disagree on thing sich as Trinity, since I do bot deem it necessary, but i won't dismiss their argument and say christianity is Stupid, as they do woth islam.
This is a fantastic channel! Well done.
ALLAH IS THE MOON GOD OF PAGAN ARABIC TRIBES
They deceive you, they lie to you. If you open the Quran, you will find many verses that say that the sun and the moon are creations of God. Do not believe the lies
Then why do Christian Arabs pray to Allah?
@@johncena12366the word Allah like the word God is non specific, unless capitalised,
Like how water is water, whether we use the English word for it or another language, the water will still be water regardless
@@johncena12366A real Christian Arab will only say ilah instead of Allah, because ALLAH OF THE QURAN is a monster pretending to be god.
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They don't, they pray to Yahweh!
Lloyd de Jongh has been working previously on training an AI to scan every islamic texts and research in order to show the plethora of contradictions these contain.
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That description of a simple thing being separated in the mind into a rainbow of parts sounds like a really good description of the trope I've seen from time to time where a character goes into another character's mind and sees versions of the host character fighting with each other over what they really want or desire then after a while they ask which one is the real one only to get the response "we all are"
Graciously waiting for the syfetalk guy to start ranting about this
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Yo bro could u make a video defending that the theology of Paul is the same as the early apostles?
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Testify on YT does a good job of that I believe he has several videos on this exact topic
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Hello Sanctus, could you please explain to me what/who became incarnate on Catholic theology?
The Trinity is “divine simplicity”?
what's the source for the quotes in 7:48 and 8:09
I think your whole argument can be used to refute Christianity.
Your whole video can be summarized as follows:
There is a difference between what a being is composed of an it’s existence but the two need to combine to make it real. The two however (composition and existence) are not the whole being.
The composition of a being is made up of parts which needs to join together to form the being. This makes it dependent as the composite parts are dependent on being formed, combining and on each other. As God is not dependent and uncaused He cannot be made of parts.
So in the trinity not a composite of three parts? Can one exists without the other. Can the Holy father exists without the son?
Then you argue that the attributes of God, such as All Powerful, does not necessarily mean that God is All powerful but rather it exists only in nature and not in reality. So in essence the attributes of God are just in our minds and are not a true manifestation of His abilities. So Jesus was not merciful but rather he only exists in our intellect as merciful.
You then quote ibn Tamiyyah and then draw the total opposite conclusion from his quotes by concluding that Gods attributes are separable from His essence. What he said was the Attributes of God are part of His nature just as being kind or benevolent is part of someone’s nature. He is not made of Kindness or Benevolence . You seem to confuse composition with attributes.
The butchering and strawmanning of Imam Ibn Tamiyyah was enough for me to not take this dude seriously
The Trinity is not a composition of three parts but rather an expression of His divine simplicity. In order to really start to understand the Trinity you have to read Aquinas on the Trinity and the early Church Fathers. God is His essence and existence, and since God made us in His "image and likeness" this could only mean that He has a mind like us, that has both an intellect and will. The first act of the intellect is to know, and since God has existed for all time He would instantly know and perfectly understand Himself, His own mind. This knowledge of Himself is expressed in the Divine Word, which we know as the Son who became Man in Jesus. And since He also has a will, the first act of the will is to love and of course He would instantly love Himself and the Word which spirates the Holy Spirit. So the Trinity is better understood as the Father perfectly knowing and loving Himself for all eternity, generating the Son and spirating the Spirit respectively. The Persons in God do not make Him a composite being, but rather show His divine simplicity, His eternity, by showing that He is Love and Knowledge and Wisdom.
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Aquinas definition of the trinity is a single divine essence or nature in 3 distinct persons. The distinction between the 3 persons (father, son and holy spirit) is a relational one with the son begotten from the father and the spirit proceeding from the father and son. This whole concept is against our understanding of what it means to be a God.
I reiterate that you confuse the attributes of God with what he is composed of. If we talk of Unity of essence being His composition then it implies that the Father and the Son is composed of the same substances. The son had bones, and blood and mucus so the Father must have the same. If they both have the same then they both dependent on the substances that produce blood and bones ( iron and calcium) which makes them dependent. If you say the son came in the form of man, then this makes the son fallible as men are fallible. This is against the concept of a God as God is infallible.
If we talk about the relational aspect, Aquinas view is that the son is begotten from the Father and the spirit proceeds from the father and son. This means the Father was present and the son originated later and the spirit came into being after the former 2. This makes the son and spirit non-eternal as there was a time where there was only a father and no son or Holy Spirit.
If you say I am misunderstanding what essence mean and that it relates not to what God is composed of but what He fundamentally is then my argument is again you conflict composition with attributes. God is All-knowing, All-powerful, eternal, etc. These are His attributes but we don’t know what He is composed of.
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Alhamdulillah. I was a Muslim before, and after watching this video, I remain a Muslim. Alhamdulillah. My faith is only for the one true God, Allah SWT.
You mean a "god" who claimed to be the best of deceivers and liars and also having pdf file for a prophet ????😂 😂😂good for you buddy
@@libturdfanai Thank you, Alhamdulillah. Keep laughing at what you don't know. Because what you are laughing at now, that's the truth.
The truth is coming from a. Pedo prophet? No it’s not.
Christ is your God and judge,of the holy trinity which God is. Convert to the truth for your own good
@@horrorwtf3803is creator an eternal attribute of Allah?
@@joshuaparsons887 yes
multiplicity cannot come/emanate from simplicity,and the co existent of multiple identities is logically entailed in them,an example is space being relative to motion which means that the existence of space entails the existence of physical energy and time. Multiplicity is fundamental
Could you articulate the reason why an entity cannot compose itself? You could present a similar argument against divine simplicity: that every simplified being requires a simplifier.
The claim that the objects in the universe are inseparable is highly controversial. Theories of eternal inflation would disagree, while some might agree with the notion of inseparability. Proponents of eternal inflation might argue that the universe is not composed of discrete objects. How would you respond to that?
The creator is simply regurgitating metaphysical arguments. These things have no evidence backing them. Considering he is a Catholic, he will most likely try to explain using an argument made by Aquinas or some other figure similar to him. If so, it's no doubt that these explanations will already have rebuttals written.
Admittedly, I'm not a big fan of philosophy, especially metaphysics, so I may not be truly understanding the reasoning behind your question.
@@MohammedHussain-d1e I agree with you; the argument of composition is unsound
@@zzzui-c9z God is not “simplified” is just is simple, his essence is his existence, so God couldn’t have not existed, he had too.
@@SanctusApologetics Sure, why can't God exist as a composed being which is self-composing?
Good video on an important topic !
Apologies if this is a silly question, but is not the case that expressions like «the hand of God», «the face of God», «the muscle of God» etc are only anthropomorphic metaphorical expressions we also see frequently in the Bible? We Christians do not think of them as meaning literally that God has a face, a muscle and so on, so perhaps those are not meant to be taken at face value in the Islamic tradition either?
The second point I do not quite follow is about the composite's dependence on parts, in that parts precede the whole. For instance, when a human is conceived, he already has a physical body, but it does not yet have arms, legs, eyes and so on, which develop only later. Does the whole not precede parts here?
Its because they don't have an argument against Islam that they resort to these philosophical word plays that no one believes to avert from the trinity. It's a strawman. They make up their own arguments and then debunk them. Any sincere person can see right through it
@@Antking001 salafi muslims actually believe these attributes of allah are real unlike christians. christians believe these physical attributes are metaphorical. With the definition he gave of a composite being if allahs attributes are real but are not allah he is a composite being. Christians believe each attribute of god, the different persons of the trinity are god.
to be composite mean there is something that united them which cannot be true of allah if allah has no god
@masoq4702 You need to read more instead of relying on Christian apologists. Christianity doesn't have an argument, nor can it divert the topic from the trinity
3:07 This begs the question: why can't the complete being ever be anterior to its parts? because of how we build things in the real world?
Seems naïve.
Also, what prevents the muslim from not taking the passage as literal?
Your claim that Allah is a composite being only holds if His attributes are seen as having their own ontological existences and could exist apart from Him, but since we affirm that the attributes are essential qualities (not parts) of His essence, the composition argument doesn't apply. As for the dependence argument, if you argue that Allah’s essential attributes make Him dependent, then by that same logic, your own God must be dependent on His attributes, which contradicts your belief in God’s independence. Furthermore, essential attributes do not imply dependence on something external. Just as you would not claim God’s goodness makes Him dependent, the same applies to Allah.
a composite being is not dependent on its attributes, for example your finger is one of your attributes, if you lose a finger do you cease to be yourself? The christian Gods attributes are god themselves however allahs attributes are not and are separate from his essence
As a Muslim scholar, I respectfully disagree with the arguments presented against the Islamic concept of God. The Islamic understanding of Allah's attributes is more nuanced than portrayed here. Some key points to consider:
Divine Simplicity: While Islamic theology doesn't use the term "Divine Simplicity" as used in Christian scholasticism, the concept of Allah's unity (tawhid) is fundamental. Allah is considered absolutely one, indivisible, and without parts.
Attributes of Allah: In Islamic theology, Allah's attributes are not seen as separate parts or additions to His essence. They are understood as aspects of His perfect, indivisible nature.
Transcendence: Islamic theology emphasizes Allah's transcendence (tanzih) - He is utterly beyond creation and human comprehension. This makes it problematic to apply human logic or philosophical constructs too rigidly to His nature.
Essence and Attributes: The relationship between Allah's essence and attributes has been a subject of theological discussion in Islam. Many scholars view them as neither identical nor separate, but as aspects of His indivisible unity.
Anthropomorphic Descriptions: Quranic verses or hadiths that seem to attribute physical characteristics to Allah are generally interpreted metaphorically or understood as beyond human comprehension.
Incomparability: The Quran states "There is nothing like unto Him" (42:11), emphasizing Allah's uniqueness and incomparability to creation.
Dependence: Islamic theology firmly holds that Allah is not dependent on anything. His attributes are not seen as making Him dependent, but as essential aspects of His perfect nature.
In conclusion, while the Islamic concept of God may differ from the Thomistic understanding of Divine Simplicity, it maintains a strong emphasis on God's unity, transcendence, and independence from creation. The apparent complexity in describing Allah's attributes is more a limitation of human language and understanding than a reflection of any compositeness in the Divine nature.
Great breakdown!
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you dislike jesus so much, muslims cant stop saying jesus lied, and they dont keep the commandments of moses.
muslims shows they hate jesus by not wanting to read his words. (aka, surah 3:45, jesus is the word of god, the messiah. words of god cannot be corrupted, so open the bible!)
Thank yoi for your video ! But does this mean that the distinction between the persons of the trinity is only virtual ? It seems not
the problem is that you are pretending to refute ‘the God of Islam’ while surely knowing fully that beloved Aquinas took the essence-existence distinction and the corresponding contingency argument from Avicenna, and very many muslim philosophers accepted divine simplicity without any Trinitarian qualifications.
Muslim philosophers also think 9 is adult, there is nothing in Is lame that is redeemable
@@universalflamethrower6342 that's just cope for you
@@zuhayranjumul5201 no it is not, it is a sad practise in abdool circles
@@universalflamethrower6342 you're argument against thomas Aquinas using philosophy from avicenna/ibn sina is "nooo abdool bad aisha nine noo".
@@zuhayranjumul5201 I don't have to make an argument, all abdool practises revolve around carnal pleasures for men, I know this because I know many abdools personally
It’s told that Tommaso di Aquino had a supernatural experience, a vision of the Lord Jesus who told him: "Bene scripsisti de me, Thoma!" (latin for "You wrote correctly about me")
Not a Muslim or trying to defend Islam, but The Old Testament describes a God who walks and takes on different physical forms (burning bush, cloud, walks woth people etc). I get that the NT retcons the OT, but you are refuting the God concept of the OT.
Pretty much every argument Christians make against Islam can just as well apply to God in the OT. They just pretend the OT doesn't exist.
You actually took it there...
I'm a layman but attributes do not fall into parts as attributes are the information that approve of something fitting a defination. If I say a "red apple" that apple has to be red and also an apple biologically otherwise it cannot be a "red apple". Similarly when we talk about God we approve of certain qualities such as omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence etc. because the definition of God depends upon those attributes.
These attributes are not the actual essence of Allah Subhana wa Ta'ala as teh human mind cannot comprehend Him. there is a saheeh hadith about the Prophet Alaihis Salaam asking Allah SWT "I ask you by the names u have revealed and those u have not". All the qualities that Allah has, all of them we do not know. We only know some of them which differentiate between God and Not-God.
For example, His attribute Al-Khaaliq (The Creator) means that He alone has created Al-Makhluq (The Creation). The Creator and Creation is a seperation between God and Not-God.
this was only my understanding of the Islamic viewpoint, coming from a Muslim. I do not possess the time nor intellect to debate theology. May Allah guide us.
Dude, he disagrees with the fact that god lacking power disqualifies him from being god, u notice that in all of his point, Christianity's logic seems to be more used by him and that other guy, when they're objecting Islam, idk how does that make sense tbh
@@omw-1425 Sorry didn't understand properly could you rephrase?
Why do Muslims use Arabic to describe certain things or events? You use it for describing "The Creator" and "The Creation." I can understand the Creator for it would point to Allah but I don't understand why you would use it for Creation. Would you mind explaining it to me?
@@Just_A_Response In Arabic morphology there are specific structures for different verb patterns. For example a verb has a 3 letter root (most of the time). The creation verb or "to create" is خ ل ق (Kha-La-Qa or khalaq.). The one who creates will be Khaaliq or Creator which is made by adding an Alif (or aleph) after the first letter or خالق. The one on which the verb is done is made by adding Meem or Mem to the start and then Vao or Vav after the 2nd letter so it will be مخلوق (Makhluq) or the Creation.
Arabic is one of, if not the most dense and deep languages of all time. Arabic morphology describes an incredible relation between verbs and their conjugation.
When we use words like Creator or Creation we are talking about theological terms that have very specific meaning in Arabic. "Making something" has a lot of words for in Arabic, but those specific Arabic terms have a specific type of meaning. This is the reason we use those Arabic terms
Also, we protect our religion, it's Scripture and it's understanding. These people don't understand Greek properly or even Hebrew, let alone Aramaic which E'esa or Jesus peace be upon him spoke. We try to refrain from that and understand the Scripture in the tongue it came down.
@@abdullahhussain9675 If I understand you correctly the verbs are linked to the person, object or thing which performs the action. So if "John is running" it's just that, but if God (or Allah) is performing that action it's "God is Running." Correct?
Just ignore the Christian Trinity whenever we say God is Simple. Because we say so or because it's a divine mystery that's not suppose to make sense.
NO, because God the Holy Trinity exists outside of our physical world, and it is virtually impossible to describe Him because of that. We have no frame of reference. Try describing the totality of the Grand Canyon (the vista, the colours, the terrain) to someone who has been blind from birth. That is the issue everyone runs into. How do you describe or explain an nth dimensional being using 4-dimensional concepts?
Lmao.
Create a God in your mind, who is ontologically not comprehensible by human mind in his essence and attributes and the relation to each other, based on mere assumptions, speculations and name this method “reason” like Ancient pagan Greeks.
This is not the God of the Prophets in the Old Testament nor the God to whom Jesus (God’s peace and blessings on him) prayed to. Rather this is a fake God of the Philosophers.
This is not the speech of a Christian who claims to follow Jesus (God’s peace and blessings on him) who describes himself as following and fulfilling The Old Testament and who was sent to Israelites.
This is rather the speech of a Neoplatonist Greek who worships his Henologist or Apophatic fake God.
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You literally worship a human embodiment like pagans. Even worse than original pagans. Most pagans would worship statues whom they believed that they are tied to ghosts who have an interference right to the creator God or have received powers by the creator God. Only the most decadent and worse kind of pagans would worship a human embodiment as God.
And the most schizophrenic part is that you ascribe this belief to a man who was raised among the Israelites who were known to be the most harshest rejectors of any image of God. Forget about human embodiment and you ascribe this belief to him despite that he never stated such a belief explicitly in your very own sources.
The quranic god is 1 being 1 person who would lack the ability to express and experience love/relationship until he created another being. However, if he then has to create another being, “a lesser being” he would be completely and utterly dependent on this lesser being. A god who lacks the ability to love and is dependent on another in order to express love, is no god at all. The blessed Holy Trinity is 1 Being who is 3 Eternal Persons who lacks nothing and is dependent on no one. Holy set apart and completely unlike any other being which every other being is 1 being 1 person who is dependent on God ✝️
You are wrong! This video is just the half side! Let me tell you what Islam actually tells about God!
First listen! Allah/God -> We are told about attributes of God in Islam! We are told that he isn’t a Physical Being and God doesn’t depend upon anything! His point was God depends upon his attributes like Islam said and using word “parts” to achieve a certain Agenda! As Quran said! That humans are incapable of understanding how God looks or how God is all-seeing, all-knowing, self-Existing, uncreated and etc! Humans just can’t imagine it! We are just told these attributes of God and we don’t necessitate that God is a male or female and etc!
Quran: “Say, God is One and Unique and there is nothing like him”
We believe God is omnipotent, All-Knowing, and Eternal and etc without having a physical body but as a single being! Now does for seeing? God needs eye or what? We Muslims don’t make any assumptions about this for what we are told and cause we can’t imagine it! What we will imagine is 100% wrong case therefore causing the trouble of doing sin!
All these attributes are of God! They can’t be separated from God is another claim of Islam! These attributes are of God for eternity! It’s a stupid question then to ask that can God end his omnipotence? -> They can’t be separated from God! God is Eternal so can God die? -> These are stupid questions because they make no sense!
Next cause we don’t necessitate God is made up of parts but he is a Single Being -> God is independent with these attributes and God is nothing like anything in creation!
Next point is about hands! I have heard another about God having face and hand! But the one he mentioned is what I would say that this Hadis (word of prophet Muhammad) isn’t that much authentic, for you don’t know Quran is 100% preserved correctly and we have matching till the manuscripts of prophet time! While Hadis are passed orally and some are made by people so Hadis may or may not be word of prophet Muhammad
Even if I accept after this Prophet mentioned God have face or hands. The hands and face being talked is just describing that God has these features! Now are they like of humans? No, nothing you imagine or have seen will be like them! Like Quran already tells! So, God hands and face refers to that God have a certain feature which is the feature of God as single being! And this feature cannot be separated from God like Quran already told!
Therefore, I refute this video. And idk why Christian’s are making claims that this disprove Islam! Don’t you think so they have so much hatred for Muslims for no reasons? Like Without lies Islam dies! And these question make more sense in Christianity point then Islam cause we can easily doge these cause that’s just a despair attempt of making Quran false but this will work in case of Christianity cause Christianity have 3 100% Gods in 1 being! And can be separated as well! And they each have free will! Now if each one of them wants different colour of a human skin (anyone), they will have dispute cause they have free will! And now this will be the thing that actually limit the Power of God on omnipotence and raise question!
Would you agree?
@@AbdulRehman-o2z4p btw you didn't refute his comment, and we don't believe the persons of the Trinity have three will, they have one will since if we believe that they have three wills that wouldn't make them three but one God
@@Eztefen If they don’t have 3 will therefore, neither father, nor Jesus or Holy Spirit are able to make any choice -> Lost the ability to think rather some other being Unkown make choices
Not even asking that are these 3 100% God as separate and even as one and not to mention Father is greater than I -> Father > Jesus -> Therefore Jesus can’t be God
Next Jesus and Holy Spirit were on Earth. Father was idk -> Therefore your triune God didn’t existed and Yet, they don’t have wills therefore God isn’t even a Living being in Christianity according to You -> Rather he can speak and make choices of his will?
Also how God could Exist when neither Jesus nor Holy Spirit nor Gather were One? And if he doesn’t need them to be his parts -> Rather these 3 are just added complexity to one God
@@Eztefen Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa (The Women)
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
Ashhadu Allah ilaha illallah wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu..❤❤
Truth always surfaces once interpreted correctly.
But Muslim theologians (muta’kallimun) and mystics do think that God is absolutely simple. One only has to read Ghazali or Ibn Arabi to realise that. There are some Muslims, such as the Salafiyah , who do think that God has parts but they couldn’t tell you exactly what that means
The author of this video honed in on the athari school of theology in islam ignoring the majority school which is ashari and affirms divine simplicity
@@ayaanhashmi5325Ashari school doesnt affirm divine simplicity bruh. It accepts attributes, just represents the literal attributes like Allah's "Hands" as just a metaphor for another attribute.
And his "honing" on the athari creed was embarrasing, he misrepresented it horribly
@@Hxzaifaaa The Qiyas they use to justify the metaphor thing is negative theology, god doesn't have a hand, a mouth, ears ect. It's divine simplicity. Asharis do affirm divine simplicity.
@@Hxzaifaaa Yeah I agree the athari creed doesn't ask how it just affirms what god affirms for himself and don't draw analogies to creation
what i got from this video is that most philosophy is linguistic pedantry using circular reasoning to defend a pre-established view
There are so many wrong things about this video, like for an example claiming Islam is wrong because some Muslim scholars have different opinion about nature of God? You refuted those Islamic scholars, not Islam itself.
Also God can't be defined by ANYTHING in Creation including our feeble philosophy because that would be equating imperfect Creation to Perfect Creator. Whatever we THINK God is like is only a delusion of what God ACTUALLY is no matter how we define it
I agree that there are Islamic schools which have a much better theology than the standard Sunni Muslims. Especially if you look it Salafis, you see a very flawed ontological understanding of God, while the Mutazilla have a much better ontology.
Exactly, there is nothing similar to Him and that's all we know.
But by that logic if the Quran is so perfect why would there be different opinions of Islamic scholars on very fundamental issues. Also just saying that a “god can’t be defined by anything” isn’t anything new. Even Hindus explained exactly what you call Allah millennia before Islam or Christianity. They also make more sense with the concept of Brahman than Allah as a god.
@@pzbur”Nothing similar to him” also can be applied to his creation. What exactly makes this god distinct?
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If God didn't bother to describe the nature of His own self in His book, why would I inquire about His nature? God and His prophet are the only authority in Islam. Prophet and his companions never talked about God's nature and nor did God inform us about His own self that means God is transcendent, cannot be grasped by human beings. Later, those scholars who were influenced by the Greek philosophy asked these questions about the nature of God which lead to disagreements between them.
Same applies to Biblical scholars, God nowhere describes His own nature in Bible. It's only muslim, Christian and Jewish scholars who were themselves involved in these discourses. God never described Himself. In fact, He condemns doing so in one place in the Quran.
God says, "It is He who has revealed to you this Book which has verses that are muḥkam (Established/Clear), they are the foundation of the Book and some others that are mutashābihāt (Analogical). Then those whose hearts are perverted always go after the mutashābihāt from among it in order to create dissension and in order to know their reality even though no one except God knows their reality. On the other hand, those who are well grounded in this knowledge say, “We believe in them, all this is from our Lord.” And no one will be reminded except those of understanding." Quran 3:7
Mutashābihāt include topics like the nature of God, the nature of the soul, angels and eschatological concepts such as the descriptions of heaven and hell, we cannot see but we believe because God informs us about them. After believing in God through the arguments He provides in His book for His existence, it's reasonable to accept all the unseen things He tells us about. These things are unseen, but they are not unreasonable when God speaks of them.
God, for our understanding in His book just gives us a simple analogy about many metaphysical things, for example soul, He at one place in the Quran compares it with a breath which He breathes into flesh to make it human and after giving this analogy He says you have been given but little knowledge.
"They ask you ''O Prophet'' about the spirit. Say, it's nature is known only to my Lord, and you ''O humanity'' have been given but little knowledge." Quran 17:85
In behavioral sciences (Psychoanalysis), we study the behavior or the characteristics of human psyche but can't really describe the nature of soul (what it's made of) because it's metaphysical.
The nature of God's own self is also a metaphysical concept and when it comes to describing His own nature, God says ليس كمثله شيء There is nothing like Him in the universe which you know of and can compare to Him in order to understand His nature.
This cannot be applied to His creation in the way it's applied to God. Creation can easily be compared in order to understand the nature of creation like different living organisms.
We just have no idea about the nature of God!
Man this is some deep classic explanation I don't get it😂😂😂 but stop it I love it❤❤❤
smartest christian:
Islam's God coexists with the creation whereas he God of the Bible brought the creation into existence from or out of nothing.
Who told you that? God is the creator of everything. Open the Quran and read it yourself. Don't let them deceive you.
God is creator of all amen ✝️no Mohammaden lies!
@@bikesrcool_1958 Christ is a pile of lies Jesus is actually a devil who came to deceive you and lead you away from the path of God Jesus is a devil
@@bikesrcool_1958Mohammad hated idolatry and called people to worship the God of Abraham. Why do you hate him so much?
@@johncena12366 Maybe it has to do with the fact that he married a 6 year old girl, owned sex slaves and massacred innocent people for not following him? Even if Muhammad was somehow correct in his theology, he was still an objectively terrible person and shouldn't be looked up to by anyone - let alone millions of Muslims.
I find the doctrine of Existential Inertia quite compelling: composite objects will continue existing in the absence of anything which can destroy their structure. Hence, to explain the continued existence of composite objects, we don't need to appeal to some continuous, sustaining/composing cause. Even if God is a composite being, he wouldn't need a sustaining cause. God was never composed and there exists no entity which can destroy its parts.
Daym bro, everything you discussed here was discussed by ibn sinna prior to the guy you mentioned in your video way before that, and he didn't just describe it, he was the first guy to even put this concept before the public eye.😂 keep grinning dude and yeah I'm totally upto any debate and I will destroy your faith if you challenge me and your faith too
Watch some Sam Shamoun
@@Vincenzo-wn1or that guy is delusional as fuck, he cant even debate before an Islamic scholar,
God is just God in Islam his attributes or names are things he adopted for himself. Quran 6:54.
I left atheism and accepted Islam, Best decision to ever for me. Alhamduillah
From trash to sewage 🤡
@@SithStudynot the best way to attract them to us.
Alhamdulillah ❤
Complete opposite for me! I was raised as a Muslim, but found Christ. The devils hold has withdrawn
@@sairaplaxs632 Who is the current caliph?
This is something that the knight archetype just scratches his head about. Just tell me what is a righteous battle and what is not.
Christian God throughout the whole bible -old and new testaments- has many distinct attributes and acts that cannot indicate a simple God.
God pass over egypt (exo, 12, 13) the lord is a man of war and has nostrils and has a great arm (exo, 15, 3-7) and God decent onto sinai (exo, 19, 16) God has hand, and has back parts as it was explicitly said at (exo, 13, 22/23). Etc
So, This simple god that Aquinas is talking about, is not the Christian God, but Aristotle’s unmoved mover.
Dear Christians, please don’t let a greek heathen philosopher dictate to you how you perceive your own God.
Muh pagan philosopher🤦
Love the difference between the comments on the converting Islam and converting Christians. Like why can’t we be happy? I’m Catholic and honestly we don’t need people to pretend to believe or join. Weeding out the bad and inviting those that willingly want to follow.
Muslim apologists getting ready to make 100s of fallacies and lies responding to this vid
that's what they do
You’re just coping this is so easy to refute 😂
@@legendaryadam yall always say that, plus you liked your own comment
@@jhfghgh4606 Do you not see the vast amount of syllogisms in the comment section? Do you wanna see it get refuted in a discord aswell?
@@legendaryadamI see vast amounts of coping… been scrolling for about 20 minutes now 😊
Personally, the idea of the trinity seems more illogical than the idea that God is composed of parts. Since people can justify the trinity by saying that our minds can’t comprehend it, you can justify God having body parts the same way.
Positive mysteries arent the same as negative mysteries, and this is just a tu quoque fallacy which deems both religious erroneous, even though your statement on the Trinity is false
Circular reasoning used to cast doubt on the base of the argument. Islam is good at that type of argument as they always lie
Ex Muslim seeker here! Great video!
Thinkers and scholars of the Western world agreed 😂 that the pillars of the new Christianity Which was brought by the Jew "Saul" or "Paul" (he is really smart) Influenced by pagan religions 😂😂😂 that were prevalent before Christ 😂😂😂 peace be upon him 😎
We are talking about thinkers who were born into Christian families and studied in Christian schools 😎😂😂😂😂
Ibn Taymiyya Is not a normative scholar
He was forgotten about until he was revived for a 18th century Saudi reform movement
there are diffrent sects in islam like ismailiya that doesnt believe in those hadiths nor regarde ibn taymiya as a serious scholar .
Yes, but even without the Hadiths there are several other areas in Islam that make no sense, or have any continuity with Judaism or Christianity.
@Joshua39-w7j Like what? Hadith are not canon. There are a lot of made up stuff. If you can't base your doctrine from the Quran, it is baseless.
@@Joshua39-w7j Still makes more sense than the mess of judeo christianity.
@@johncena12366 If Christianity doesn’t make any sense to you then why are the Hadiths (Hadith 18, 40 Hadith Qudsi) specifically plagiarizing from Matthew 25:31-46 which was written hundreds of years before then?
You say it makes more sense, but it’s been proven that the Quran has taken stories from the Torah, Gospel, and old Pagan traditions combining them all. If you’re going to say it makes more sense then at least give us one example of why it does. No sensible person is just going to take your word for it.
Holy crap two minutes in and he just described the exact construction of a sentient being in Buddhism. In fact, they have a principle called dependent origination, and anything that is dependently originated is not the whole. Understanding that one is dependently originated allows one to see that they do not exist without relationship to everything. Therefore, they are everything because there is no self independent of others. Because of this, any singular self independent of others is empty, and emptiness is the nature of the singular, of the whole. I am a Christian and I also identify with Buddhism. I am very much convinced they are the same in that there is an algebraic transformation between them. That is to say that the difference between them is a matter of perception, not a matter of essence.
honestly, I'm proud to be a Muslim
Same ❤❤❤
Muhammad is actually a bad person 😢
Homosexuals are proud to be homosexuals
YESHUA AKBAR ALL PRAISES TO LORD JESUS THE ONE TRUE GOD ✝️❤️💪🏾
@@macewindu5804 Trinity is idolatry
@@johncena12366 and stone licking isn't?
@@catholicumbra beat me to it 😂😂😂✝️❤️🙏🏾
Finally, a video refuting real Islamic theology. Not some Evangelical vs. some practically Protestant Muslim, but a real Catholic refuting real Islam. And ofc the biggest brained person ever, St. Thomas Aquinas.
Yeah me and Sanctus wanted to actually bring real scholars into this conversation
It only addresses a fringe theology and even gets that wrong
I’m not understanding how what was mentioned earlier in the video about God having the attribute of omnipotence as a mentally constructed “part” of his singular/simple nature rather than it being a true part of him in the sense that there is a reality from which he is composed contradicts any of what Ibn Taymiyya said on the subject of divine attributes presented later in the video.
I was a muslim before watching this video... and I am still one after watching it ☠️
debate Christian prince bro just call him on his TH-cam channel and debate bro don't run away bro debate
@@efrencruz8327 Christian Prince 💀☠️
@@Blade2323B debate bro just call him don't run away bro debate
@efrencruz8327 Since when debating changed anyones religious views? It is a decision you should make by yourself.
@@johncena12366 lol debate christian prince bro don't throw away your book cowards
does this argument debunk eed?
Allah Is Only God ☝️
ISA A.S Is Prophet Of Allah
Where is the proof outside of the Quran that the message Jesus was preaching was corrupted? The earliest non-biblical texts show a Church teaching much of what both Catholics and Orthodox hold today.
@@ElessarofGondor You don't need the Quran to know that the Bible is corrupted (as a result of missing texts, later additions, unknown authors etc). Also, looking at the modern day Gospel, it's obvious that not everything Jesus said was written down.
Who is Isa?
@@theologyroomthat's exactly why Catholics and Orthodox don't rely on scripture alone.
Not according to Isaiah chapter14
Its funny that this video critiques the Athari school based on philosophy when Atharis reject philosophy