Brushed vs. brushless motor best for an RC Crawler
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I'm quite known for smoothness in brushless too :) I've had smooth starting brushless motors since 2006, but there was a gap after Quark shut down where controllers didn't quite cut it until about 2 years ago. It doesn't quite match my higher end brushed, but any of my brushless motors combined with a mamba X will even start slower than the AXE.
Thank you for this. Holmes is legendary with our audience. You have pushed the category with no-compromise products.
I have full belief that if the Mamba X was in stock anywhere... I would've ended up with that and one of your motors instead of my two trucks with Axe systems. That being said, I do like the Axe systems. When upgrade time comes, I'll be looking again at HH and your brushless systems. I only purchase your brushed motors as it stands.
I have ordered a HH Crawlmaster 12t for my TRX-4 Sport with Hobbywing WP1080 esc. Hope this combo works well. 🙂
I’ve already had two axe systems mess up. I gave both of them to my local dealer (Dixieland rc) for a 1080 and a Holmes motor. You have great stuff, use to have a brxl and a crawlmaster pro and sold them. Still going strong. And looking forward to exocaged rc’s review of the 400 he has gotten from you the other day. Thank you for the great products. And I’ll stick with hobbywing just for racing.
I'm going to take your word for it and do that combo on my wraith 1.9. I have the hobbywing fusion 1800kv in a rig and a axe550 2700kv in another. My bomber has a mamba x crawler setup and for my wraith I want to do something HH.
Just wanted to say that your demonstration of the hobbywing axe system maintaining the speed like that is what made me decide to get that for my crawler! Thank you!
I have a mamba x system that I’ve had for 3-4 years, has been in 3 cars and still is running perfect 👍
Keep these coming. I am learning so much and enjoy the way you share. Thank you
Castle has the brushless sensored game hands down. Love that combo smooth and how one gent said it can move by the mm.
Having done Brushless in several vehicles now, I am sold on them.. so long as they are sensored. The tough choice here is to really justify nearly doubling, or more, the value of the Redcat Scout. Even doing the SW4 and low kv 6 pole like the TenShock still is quite a bit to put into the rig. Of course if the Scout turns out that it is a durable platform (we already know its a really capable trail truck with good crawling) which we can't decide for at least another 6 months, then I say we got one heck of a deal on the truck and worth the investment to switch to brushless. No point in doing it if the rig can't handle it without even more money for upgrades.
I'm fairly new to your videos and they're very informative and straight to the point without the bs about how every car is great. Love how your honest about stuff. As for this video,I tried several of my friends brushless crawlers and imo they're just ok. They even joke with me due to the fact I'm still using brushed motors and nimh batteries but my crawlers are dialed and majority of the time mine out perform their brushless stuff,lol. It's all about driving skill and how dialed you can get your rig,lol
Great video and explain, hi from Costa Rica 🇨🇷🇨🇷🇨🇷🇨🇷🤜🏻🤛🏻 ,like always you make everything soo easy to understand
I like your delivery and presentation style. Great info
Thank you !
Now I understand why the Titan 21T has three armatures.
I can see subscribing to your channel was the right move.
Thank you I really like your outlook and the way you break things down I am from Lansing Michigan started the hobby three years ago not very mechanically inclined not that I don't know l am just lazy 😉but you make it so easy to understand everything and that's probably my biggest problem not understanding
Awesome video good topic. I see it like this I'll run brushed till I burn it out then go to a brushless set up best of both worlds to me👍.
thanks for the video. just getting to crawilng trying to learn all I can
Running HH puller pro v2 with mamba x. Programmed it just like HH did, low spd control is awesome, my friends who drove stock crawlers were in awe!
Love your vids. Feel like I’m in school learning . Love the vids . That’s for your knowledge.
We should all be learning every day.
Thank you ... awesome explanation I was clueless about brushed n brushless ... i wanna go back to my RC after 10 years lol
It seems like it’s been a long day in the studio. Thanks for working so hard . Go get some rest my man.
Thanx again for a no bullshit straight up great info video. I wish more of the channels out there could just say it like it is instead of trying to sell something most of the time.
Not everyone has a ton of money to pur in the hobby, so it's good to know that there are cheaper mods that make a huge difference.
Thanx again🙂👍
Right on. That is exactly our goal. Not everything is personal preference and not everything is great. Insight and understanding is key then one can decide if the application and timing is right for a vehicle or an upgrade purchase.
Great information. I like them both.
Excellent break down and explanation.
I admit that my traxxas esc lasted about a week.. Went to my local hobby shop and got a stock hpi venture esc for 10 bucks and have been running that system with no problems for over a year. And I'm totally submerging my trx4 in water and mud and it's still running strong... The secret is cleaning it after every run... by taking my air compressor and cleaning all the water off it, if you let it sit covered in water and mud it's just not going to last
I have to say that your channel it’s awesome and best way to explain to the new “rc people” very clean talk and deep to the point!!! I like your channel ... you should have more support!! “ subscribe “ thank you for this video.
I installed a Mamba X and a Holmes Hobbies Revolver motor (sensorless) in my TRX-4. With the programming capability of the Mamba X, that thing can crawl amazingly slow and maintain consistent speed. And what a torque monster. Love it. Nice video.
Thank you. Love the insight.
I've run the castle creations crawler in my TRX4 for some time and it gives the ability to move forwards by the mm, literally by the mm as it's sensored. However it costs nearly $200, so I think a lot of people would struggle to justify adding that to a $300 crawler like the gen8. Particularly if you're switching from nimh to lipo at the same time - add in a new charger and batteries and that's another $100-200 on top. You have to look at it as a long term investment. That said the gen8 as stock seems very, very jerky when compared to my brushless TRX4. It's not bad it's just the castle setup is so good.
Exactly, exactly!! Thank you for expressing clearly.
It's not a magic upgrade like a tires or a powerful servo but it can pay good, long-term dividends after the easy/obvious upgrades are done.
I did the same with the Monster X/1900kv Slate and 9 tooth pinion.. what a creeper. But I agree, we will have to wait a bit to see how the parts hold up initially on the Scout to decide if its worth it to switch. Without a pinion change, I think the HW Axe FOC is probably going to be the best setup for the Scout, it might be a bit slow for punch and for top end, but my other brushless crawlers I lower the punch anyway, I'm not trying to drag race them.
@Game Bred Duramax I agree, however Driftomaniacs did not specify what kv motor he installed, he did say its the crawler motor so unless he installed a 2300+ kv motor he may only be just barely faster than stock brushed.
I use the Slate 1900 and pinioned to 9t, use a 2s and the guys running stock pinion/spur with 7cell nimh outrun me. Just because its brushless doesn't mean its faster.
For the Scout, probably going to have to go with at least a 2850kv to keep up with a full TRX-4.
Driftomaniac Pretty sure that I once heard Holmes Hobbies say that, with the right brushless setup you can have a smoother startup and lower crawl speed than most brushed motors.. I find that statement to be very true.
@@TerraQuestRC yes you can , its just gonna cost 3 times the amount than a nice brushed setup. ... so just gotta think abour price to performance ratio if its worth it for you or that particular rig... i have like 8 rigs i cant justify spending the money on a brushless in my crawler that is strictly A CRAWLER . I already have a bomber and a wraith both with mamba x and one with a castle slate , and one with a puller pro. I can tune the mamba x punch , drag, startup power, etc etc and play with pinion size to get it to crawl slower than my dedicated crawler. But i rather have those as go fast rock race , bouncer type rigs. If some day i run out of other crap to buy for all my rc i would throw a brushless setup in my crawler. If i had only one or two rigs , yes its worth it to invest in a good brushless for your crawler. If you got 9 rigs so you whole family can play and dont wan a spend 20 grand setting up all of them up completly tricked out then youre fine with a decent speed controller like a sidewinder and a cheap holmes trailmaster brushed motor. I just wish the sidewinder had drag brake curve like the mamba x does and it would be perfect for brushed. But i cant justify $150 vs $70 for a esc just for drag brake curve.
This combo is looking better and better with the mamba x slate motor combo being backordered everywhere
Good explanation .Nice video.
Thank you. Hard subject to tackle so we try to break down the real value of brushless
I been enjoying holmes hobbies brushed motors. The cheap ones. Brushless is next for sure.
i use the 21 turn trial master sport in my slash and rustler. great motors for $20 I put the 27 turn in my TRX 4 bronco with a 9 tooth pinion. crawling by the millimeter. go super slow with tons of torque and still plenty of trial speed in high range.
Great explanation “ not quite slam dunk “ love it!”
Appreciate the compliment. We try to give practical advise
great informative video, well done!
We tried to break it down.
I'm really glad I watched this video.
My man, I love your videos. I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks and keep it coming! :) P.S. You are responsible for me buying a TRX4 😅
i have one of these holm hobbies systems in my trx4 and oh my goodness did it wake it up and the crawler control is unbelievable best investment i made
Nice. what was the old motor/esc?
When you like me have a crawler with worm drive brushless is a must!
I have a Holmes Hobbies Revolver S Stubby that I purchased some eight years ago.
this was my first upgrade Mamba X and Holmes Hobbies Revolver 1800 KV it is great and the sound is amazing to hear add 4s and with in 20 minutes striped spur gear ...
What vehicle?
TRX 4 Tactical Unit
Excellent, informative, Thank you.
thank you!!
I put a $20 holmes hobby trial master sport 27 turn in my TRX 4 bronco. they have bearings on both ends of the shaft and last forever in the TRX 4. $20 best brushed motor for the money. holmes hobby trial master sport 27 turn or 21 turn. I put a 21 turn in my rustler and it is awesome. such a smooth brushed motor.
Smart man I’ve learned so much from him
Right on. We try to make sense of it in practical terms.
Think I'm going to get a Tamiya CR motor for my mountain rider, my next crawler will go full brushless. Good video btw 👍
So glad I watched this video because I want to get a crawler.
Picked up a Sidewinder4 and its perfect for low speed control with a sensorless motor. Using a Tenshock 1750 crawler motor and the slow speed start up is near perfect. SW4 is the reason..newest software for crawling.
Sidewinder4 is also perfect with the Holmes Revolver
One thing great with brushless is upgradeable firmware
great info. Pretty sure I killed my OEM Titan motor on my last outing. Trying to decide if I want a Holmeshobbies Trail master, spend more and go torque master, or spend even more and go brushless. Have not really done many other upgrades to the trx4 so far.
I have a sidewinder 3 esc so about to go brushless for the first time on my scx10
Thanks that was helpful . Good vid .
Appreciate it. Not an easy subject since it involves a lot of money. And no one seems to talk about its true benefits.
Great video as always ! I am thinking about changing the Enduro Sendero motor and the main reason is because my son find it very slow when trailing compared to the Bronco TRX4 Bronco (in 2nd gear). In your opinion, will the Hobbywing Axe help getting a trailing speed on the Enduro similar to the Bronco even though it is a single gear setup ? Thanks !
Great video. Can you tell me what wheels are on that chassis?
Nice video. 👍😎👍
Going brushless in my TRX-4, I was wondering what you would recommend for the setup. I want to crawl, but also have a frail runner.
Good reviews:)
Gracie
I'm sort of in a dilemma at this time, I trx4 burned up its ESC. I have turned my TRX 4 sport into a defender. just was wanting your opinion should I go with a hobbywing 1080 ESC or go with a hobbywing axe brushless? My truck with all of the scale parts weights a little less than10 lb.
Good Stuff brother,,
Thank you! Tough subject to break down to the nitty gritty
Do you believe the tekin RX4 and 412HD is a good combo for the punch and the slow controlled crawl? Or is another setup better in your opinion?
I got a tx6 it ate the 550 motor in less than an hour in mud ordered an axe system I hope it will do way better
Something about the mechanical nature of a brushed motor as always been appealing to me in crawlers.
For sure, the brushes always dragged and gave more control. Some new technology is closing the gap.
@@RCReviewChannel I agree, and I fear I will soon abandon brushed motors.
Brushless motors are cheap for my DIY quadcopters. I buy them 4 at a time, each with their own separate ESCs (don't trust all-in-one types due to the electronic noise). Even my huge 4215 motors are cheap at S15 each.
I don't understand why it's so bloody expensive for crawlers. A 2100kv one typically goes for what... $100? That much for just 1 motor! On the other hand, an okay 45T or 55T brushed motor can be had for just $20 thereabouts, and because you're crawling at low speeds you're not likely to wear out the brushes anytime soon..
Thank you
Did you mean brushed at 4:07? Either way, great video! There's a lot of great information on it!
Great video! I'm new to this my partner on the job just got me hooked. HA Now 2k in I'm just now trying to actually know what I'm doing! You are a great help! So now I'm a sub. and got my partner to sub too. Keep up the good work. PS: not really feeling putting holes in my hi end tires.
Literally my thought process 😆😆
Hi! A very very good Video! I am not an RC expert, in Electronics to... It is very helpfull, to understand... THANKS A LOT!!! Thumbs up! 😎 😉 😁 👍
Good vid!
Thank you.
Hi great video.
A quick question how do I come about using a brushless motor and integrated BEC at 7.4v and still use my micro servers from my TRX4 Defender.
Maybe you could help me make that decision.
I was thinking in using the Hobbywing AXE 540L 2800kV. Is this power adequate for crawling and trail? I don't to add too much speed to the vehicle. I prefer playing slow and technical.
Also I would like to upgrade to the Savoy SW-1210SG you recommended on another video. How do I setup the BEC from the esc and still keep the micro servos at 6v?
Thanks for any help you may give.
I know it’s been some time , I just got my first DB II , what 4th option outrunner ? Any may answer I saw one in a Cross rig but no spoken English
I’m using a HW AXE 2300KV Brushless combo in mine TRX4 and my RAWbuilders kit
You will be floored by the control.
This guy talks like a college teacher. Easy to understand
Interesting video, thanks! An old friend of mine has a RC tugboat with a 12V brushed motor which is still going strong after 28 years of hard work! He has had to replace couplings and propshaft bearings twice in all those years, but the motor is as strong as ever! I have small size brushed Industrial motors which are cheap, extremely long lasting, totally silent and have a kv rating of approx. 166. That provides all the scope you could wish for in slow speed modulation! That said, I do see the benefits of a system like the Axe.
What would be a good brushed motor and esc combo?
Brushed motors will do just fine and even better than brushless motors under water, dirt can get into a brushed motor but some motor clean can fix that. Also not all brushless motors are 100% sealed. I’ve opened up many in my day and I just find sand and mud in them. I’d honestly stay brushed because they’re just so cheap to replace.
Like he states, if you are looking for the ultimate in punch, longterm reliability, and smoothness, brushless is the way to go. But it's expensive and you don't get everything you want in one package. I'm literally on the fence with my TRX4 about this, cause I like the lighting it has and want to add more, but I also want a bit more speed for trail usage without having to go to a two speed transmission. I've thought about a Holmes Hobbies Trailmaster 21 turn, but not sure if the overall vehicle speed would be enough for my liking.
Great video, Had my trx 4 Defender on 3s lipo submerged once last weekend only for a few seconds once it came out seems slower at top end even with fully charged battery. Thinking to replace motor with a brushed motor. I would like to go a little faster as I trail (dont really crawl) what motor would you recommend? Thanks keep up the great work!
this one for sure! snp.link/63abdc15
great video as always.... Ive been looking at them extensively ..... Im torn between The Axe and the mamba x. Which one would you choose if it was you?
Axe! Simply have no need for massive speed or punch.
@@RCReviewChannel thanks for the detailed video yet again!
Can you please explain sensored vs sensorless motor and watch you are required to change to support them in your rc crawler
sensored brushless means the motor knows where it is in each rotation cycle. That translates to better low speed and braking control. This is very important for crawlers. High speed bashers don't need this too much.
I like this guy, he knows what his talking about
When you described that special software they used to control the motor, you basically described exactly how stepper motors work. And to be honest I don't know why stepper motors haven't made it into the RC crawler world yet
Right on, thank you for the share. Where are those motors used?
@@RCReviewChannel cnc type machines, 3d printers and so on.
Holmes revolver motors with sw4 or mamba x has killer low end control. Handles better than most brushed motors with those two esc. Mind you using any other esc for that motor you won't get near the same low end control as far as I am aware. Also it's quite a bit cheaper than a censored brushless setup as well.
Links to the brushless motors you're talking about would be awesome!
Will do.
I put a surpass hobby 4276 2200kv with a hobbywing EZRUN max10 into my Element Enduro Trail walker 16T pinion and 57t steel integy spur. It was a rought fit cause the motor mounting holes where hard to fit but it did lol. It's got alot my torque n gained maybe 10 more miles an hour. But it hesitates at low throttle like crawling it cogs ect... So I'm taking it back out n gonna try a 3660 3300kv just for fun. which I'm losing power but it may end up doing better who knows lol.. but I'm most likely going back to stock until I pick up a new sensored motor.
Hobbywing now has waterproof brushless motor I think it's called Xerun Axe R2. Now I know the ESC is not water proof, but brushed system's ESC is probably not good with water anyways. Newbie here so I am not sure about ESCs, and I don't put my crawlers through water anyways.
My Axe system failed and I can't find a replacement motor. They only want to sell me the combo but my ESC is just fine.
i have a Mamba esc and a 1900kv on 4s my main problem is the gearbox from the TRX6, i have to switch to the sport version
Ive killed 2 bruhsed motors this week
I tow other trucks out long distances
I also go through snow 7inches deep
Cool video. Can these run on NiMH?
I think so ;)
How would it react to towing up to 10 pounds? I made a trailer for my maxx which works really well but my brushed motor doesn’t like it very much even with a fan. After some time you can start to smell it lol.
The Mamba X is far more adjustable than the Axe, has the 3rd channel aux control and mixed with a Holmes Hobby Puller Pro, starts up at 100rpm lower than the Axe. It's more expensive but pretty much superior in every single way.
I was into cars since the first Associated RC-10. Got out of the hobby for a while then got into RC aircraft where EVERYTHING is brushless. Now I'm looking at cars/trucks again and I'm shocked there are still brushed motors. I don't care if with crawlers it is not as big a deal, RC gear is relatively cheap now. I'll never run brushed again. I'd take that brand new brushed motor out and replace it with brushless.
I’m thinking of buying Traxxas 6*6 G63 and it’s my first RC Car, would you please advise me what brushless should I go with? I don’t care about the money though, it’s all about the pros you mentioned here.
Hobbywing axe
The polarity of the brushes is constant. It's the electromagnet that rotates it's contacts with the brushes to switch it's polarity inside of the static constant polarity of the exterior magnets.
The brushless motor rotates the outer magnets around the fixed central electromagnet with electronics to switch the center polarity.
Just not worth going brushless for me in crawlers it's just not needed a brushed motor works much better than most brushless systems for power across the RPM range and smoothness..
I agree
I went with the torquemaster 550 27T and it has power on tap. I love it. I can clear my tires out with a quick throttle wack no problem and not get up to a sketchy speed doing it.
Do you still feel this way about brushless over brushed
Do you think this will work well on a traxxas summit 1/10th? It’s heavier that a trx4. ...
May work for low speed, not so much for high.. that is a 775 with 5mm shaft your talking about replacing with a 540 sized motor. Smallest I think you can get away with for moving that monster is a 550 sized can.
Ok,thanks for the info!
Man! It sure was nice of RedCat to throw in that phone stand (5thwheel) with every Gen8. I see you've been putting them to work. Looks better on the desk than the back of the Scout too! 😆 keep it up dude! Love your videos! - @seattle_scale_4x4
Memory foam good for sumptin!
Good info
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Do you have to program the ecs. On a brushless motor.
No, since they all come with a default program. For customization and top performance, programming is available on brushless ESCs.
hi sir,what brushless motor and ESC can you recommend for trx4? thank you..
Get this one : Hobbywing Axe: amzn.to/2tQ4Hll
video is here th-cam.com/video/RlhurrBYdf4/w-d-xo.html
@@RCReviewChannel thank you so much,,all the best sir
So just a heads up guys Holmes hobbies just created a new low geared 18 tooth brushless motor but it's 150 bare without the esc,receiver, so, I have a Traxxas velvoline motor the full esc and 7 channel reciever and know just the esc and the motor are over 170 dollars just a heads up,but if you just want to keep doing brushed they only will run about fifteen hours and the brushes go bad but a good one is about thirty dollars a piece it's up to you.
Modify a bigger motor mount to install dewalt motor or 775 motor instead of brushless. I used to break in a brushed motor on my e revo submerged to a water.
I buy the AXE because i need the waterproofing .every brushed motor i use struggle in longer submerged rides because this i buy the AXE set. Show me a strong waterresistant brushed and i am back at brushed.My runs are 95% rocky rivers.
Waterproofing is a great benefit of brushless. Brushed really isn't made for it with those big vent holes for water and dirt to get in the brushes.
Crawlers are awesome because they look way cooler when they are slow
Although the brushless motors can get wet, they can rust on the inside and it can be very tricky and annoying to clean them
I replaced brush motor 4-5 times it hates mud and weight the replacement cost was gonna be more at the end
Yes unless it's a sensored brushless cause a brushless alone is brute force