to increase the accuracy you have to: 1. calibrate the probe stylus center 2. probe a known diameter datum, for example 30.001mm, only probing the center of it and setting the center as x0 y0 3. jog to x0 y0, then probe the datum again but this time subtract the probed diameter from the known diameter and you have the exact probing diameter of the stylus (for example the physical probe diameter at work is 3.000mm but the diameter in the control is 2.984mm). keep in mind to set a feedrate you feel comfortable with and then always use this this feedrate when probing, either x y or z. to calibrate the z height of the probe (this is what we do at work), we first get a datum tool, then calibrate the toolsetter to this datum tool and then measure the length of a brand new endmill. Then put something in the vise to slightly kiss with the endmill, preferrably steel because plastic may warp during cutting. Then cut maximum 0.1mm from the top and set Z0. when you get the touchprobe, jog it over the cut surface and probe with the predefined feedrate on it and set the probe length. (should be a positive value) if there is something wrong tell me :) ja moin, hab gerade ein anderes video von dir gesehen :D
At first glance the points stated above are correct, although they do not relate to the point of this video. I had pointed out that adjusting the "run out" of the probe is a bit of a pain in the a**. The experiments in this video merely demonstrate the repeatability of triggering the probe, not measurement uncertainty of measuring dimensions.
Was struggling to get the probe tab in the main gmoccapy window (always had to go to user tabs). Thanks to your config, this is all sorted out now, thanks!
Do you mean the machine table? That’s just a regular en-aw5083 15mm piece of aluminium. I drilled it using the machine and have mounted it to the extrusions underneath. It has been lightly flattened using a small 20mm face mill.
Hi, I cannot access the probe for the time being. Further, I’m not super pumped about assisting the reverse engineering of other products. I thus kindly suggest to get in touch with Vers.by yourself.
Out of curiosity what value of pull up/down resistor are you using? Lower resistance equals a larger current which is harder to get interference on (remember to stay within the spec of the receiver)
@@svenkrause3433 Considering 2k7 is as low as they recommend 5-24V (maybe one could go lower if the supply voltage isn't 24V (would confirm with vers.by first)) I suppose there isn't much to be gained there. A opto coupler could be used, they are (usually) slow so glitches don't get though them easily... but they are slow so accuracy will suffer... Using twisted pairs (maybe "borrow" some from an Ethernet cable) to reduce magnetic coupling. Shielding the steppers/servo cables if they are not already. Routing the probe cables away from noisy cables / motors. Using a separate power supply for the receiver in case the noise is coupled though the power supply. I think that was it for generic noise reduction ideas... maybe ask vers.by for help MinistryofBrokenEndMills makes them/him seem nice and helpful
Hallo, Super Video, auch die anderen sind sehr gut erklärt und informativ! Wie ist dein Fazit des Tasters? Bist du zufällig bei Facebook oder Instagram? Grüße Paul
Hallo Paul, toll, dass die Videos gefallen. Fazit ist immer noch positiv, wenngleich inzwischen diverse andere Taster auf dem Markt sind. FB und Insta meide ich allerdings.
Ich treibe mich bisweilen auf dem discord von Sebastian End herum. Einfach dort Fragen stellen, da gibt es genug andere, welche gerne helfen und auch ich sehe so ziemlich alle Themen.
to increase the accuracy you have to:
1. calibrate the probe stylus center
2. probe a known diameter datum, for example 30.001mm, only probing the center of it and setting the center as x0 y0
3. jog to x0 y0, then probe the datum again but this time subtract the probed diameter from the known diameter and you have the exact probing diameter of the stylus (for example the physical probe diameter at work is 3.000mm but the diameter in the control is 2.984mm).
keep in mind to set a feedrate you feel comfortable with and then always use this this feedrate when probing, either x y or z.
to calibrate the z height of the probe (this is what we do at work), we first get a datum tool, then calibrate the toolsetter to this datum tool and then measure the length of a brand new endmill.
Then put something in the vise to slightly kiss with the endmill, preferrably steel because plastic may warp during cutting. Then cut maximum 0.1mm from the top and set Z0.
when you get the touchprobe, jog it over the cut surface and probe with the predefined feedrate on it and set the probe length. (should be a positive value)
if there is something wrong tell me :)
ja moin, hab gerade ein anderes video von dir gesehen :D
At first glance the points stated above are correct, although they do not relate to the point of this video. I had pointed out that adjusting the "run out" of the probe is a bit of a pain in the a**. The experiments in this video merely demonstrate the repeatability of triggering the probe, not measurement uncertainty of measuring dimensions.
Great overview about this fascinating piece of cnc probe! Thank you very much...
Great video. Thanks for taking the time, making this.
Was struggling to get the probe tab in the main gmoccapy window (always had to go to user tabs). Thanks to your config, this is all sorted out now, thanks!
Glad to have been of help:)
Chinezium grade...LOVE IT
6mm shank size... it even fits into ER11 collets!
Great video! Where did you get your aluminum bench-top mount plate for your mill? It's gorgeous!
Do you mean the machine table? That’s just a regular en-aw5083 15mm piece of aluminium. I drilled it using the machine and have mounted it to the extrusions underneath. It has been lightly flattened using a small 20mm face mill.
Hello. Can you share some pictures with the pcb board of the probe touch ? I am very interested what chip they used for the RF radio transceiver...
Hi, I cannot access the probe for the time being. Further, I’m not super pumped about assisting the reverse engineering of other products. I thus kindly suggest to get in touch with Vers.by yourself.
Did you have problems with a probe triggering during the jog or between moves during measurements? I have....🙈
Happily, I have not had that. Sorry, can’t help there😞
Out of curiosity what value of pull up/down resistor are you using?
Lower resistance equals a larger current which is harder to get interference on (remember to stay within the spec of the receiver)
@@TalpaDK I use a 3k3 Resistor...😉
@@svenkrause3433 Considering 2k7 is as low as they recommend 5-24V (maybe one could go lower if the supply voltage isn't 24V (would confirm with vers.by first)) I suppose there isn't much to be gained there.
A opto coupler could be used, they are (usually) slow so glitches don't get though them easily... but they are slow so accuracy will suffer...
Using twisted pairs (maybe "borrow" some from an Ethernet cable) to reduce magnetic coupling.
Shielding the steppers/servo cables if they are not already.
Routing the probe cables away from noisy cables / motors.
Using a separate power supply for the receiver in case the noise is coupled though the power supply.
I think that was it for generic noise reduction ideas... maybe ask vers.by for help MinistryofBrokenEndMills makes them/him seem nice and helpful
Hello! Congratulations for the video. Could you please tell where can I buy this probe setter?
Please check the manufacturers website at Vers.by
@@MinistryofBrokenEndMills thanks for your prompt reply but, this link does not work/valid.
Strange, is this better:
vers.by/en/
Otherwise: type Vers touch probe into a search engine of your choice.
Do you also have a link to the probe itshelf? May i overlooked it
Sure: vers.by/en/blog/user-guides/vers-wlr
I think they have sinc ereleased a wireless rechargable verison.
Well done!
which closed loop steppers do you have?
At the time the machine used JMC iHSV57 180W "servos" on X and Y and JMC iHSS on Z.
thanks for good vdo
is it possible to buy it from ebay?
I am not the seller nor is it a paid for video. I do not know, please contact Vers.by
Sehr gutes Video. Abonniert. :-)
Hallo, Super Video, auch die anderen sind sehr gut erklärt und informativ! Wie ist dein Fazit des Tasters? Bist du zufällig bei Facebook oder Instagram? Grüße Paul
Hallo Paul, toll, dass die Videos gefallen. Fazit ist immer noch positiv, wenngleich inzwischen diverse andere Taster auf dem Markt sind. FB und Insta meide ich allerdings.
@@MinistryofBrokenEndMills Servus, gibt es sonst einen weg Kontakt zu dir aufzunehmen, ich hätte da evtl ein paar fragen?! Grüsse Paul
Ich treibe mich bisweilen auf dem discord von Sebastian End herum. Einfach dort Fragen stellen, da gibt es genug andere, welche gerne helfen und auch ich sehe so ziemlich alle Themen.
So this means that you may become the ministryofbrokenprobetips
My count is currently at one... The probe is currently safe though since I have sold the machine to build something different.
@@MinistryofBrokenEndMills Are you in CNC spane und chaos on discord? What is your name there?
To bad you can't hook that to a haas mini...sell a shit load.