Someone kindly sanity checked the data and corrected it all in this spread sheet (huuuge thank you to magician) Please see corrected data in this spread sheet. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18qiYAuiFK810Ydkmor98ADd200yfhdKGlK0pX7_Wjf0/edit#gid=0
Not much anyone can say really Jon about this video other than it is absolutely what we all love to see, fantastic. Thank you for all the hard work that went into making it 👍
Thanks John! another great comparison - On top of my huge range of detailing products (which should last me about 30 yrs, ! ! i now have yet another to try. (TAC systems shinee wax - thanks for the easy link and discount code) I do love buying and trying out new products). My mrs shakes her head and looks to the sky whenever new detailing stuff arrives in the post - although her car gets the same (well almost) treatment as mine. all the v. best, Andy
Just wanted to say that I think your videos are great. Taught me a lot about detailing I didn't know. Very informative tests you do. Some very good ideas you come up with for the tests. Love watching them. Keep going and power to you. Thanks for putting so much of your own time in to the videos. Much appreciated.
been using Shinee wax for a few months now, it is great! I often use it as post wash detailer and the gloss is great and it rarely leaves any marks on the paint, super easy to work with too! just keep away from direct sun/hot panels and it'll leave a very deep and glossy shine.
This was a great video! I would LOVE to see a updated version of this with more/newer sealants and waxes.....use the winner of this one in the next one, include NV Lustre, maybe some Scholls products, some others.
Thank you for doing these tests, in my experience, a lot of the SiO2 quick detailers and Beadmaker are shiny BUT they do not darken the paint color for that "wet look" the way polymer sealants or carnauba wax based products do.
A bonkers amount of effort Jon, 5* review. I've just watched another QD vid you did and Shinee was a winner there. A trend? I've also been looking at a few vids of WoWos QD and it seems to be getting some praise.
Would the Gyeon not be the best choice simply from an ease of application stand point? Seems like it's a simple spray on and wipe off as as drying aid whereas the Shinee has to be wiped on with an applicator and then wiped off.
Excellent comparison, informed and interesting. Well done that person!For me, without a shadow of doubt , Simoniz Quickshine Detailer is head, shoulders and feather cap above anything else. It’s absolutely brilliant. Detailing sceptics will be won over. Trust me on this. Wilko’s is selling 500ml bottles for £4.50, the cheapest price in the country. If that wasn’t enough to convince you it’s now been reduced down to £2.25. That’s virtually free.! They even gave you a full refund if not satisfied. You couldn’t get vexed if you wanted too!The product was recommended to me from a passionate, knowledgeable local car detailer. Happy Days!
Secret tip: if you ever get your hand on ODK Echo, HB Sauce Montan Madness, and/or Wax-Planet Obsidian or Assassin, try and test them. By far the best waxes I tried when it comes to anvisible i crease in finish. Not sure if that really is „gloss“ or just a change in light reflections, but would be really good candidates. Thanks for the test, very thourough and conclusive!
I applied CarPro Lite a couple of weeks ago after a 1 step with Sonax PF and I think I preferred the look of the car before I did it, wanted a solid base so still happy I did it. Bouncers is still a class product for me as I loved the way it made my car look and it’s good for dusty summer weather.
Fantastic!! I have been playing around with several combinations of products and while it’s extremely intensive the only way I have been able to consistently reach higher 90’s on the gloss meeter was with a base coating of CQuartz UK 3.0, followed by Geyon Can Coat, then Angel Wax High Gloss, then finish with P21s Concourse paste wax. It’s always a several day process but the outcome is worth it! Paste wax never lasts long over a coating but it gives it that warm glow that just can’t be recreated with a coating
Jon, you really put gloss readings into perspective with your work; Job well done. You showed mathematically, how good and how close each of these products really is to each other. Especially since the difference between the top and bottom products on the list was just 5 points; let me explain. We have to remember the human eye can’t even see the difference in gloss when the change is less than 8-10-points from the baseline reading. So, looking at Griots, for example, the total of six readings changed by 6 points, so when you divide the 6-point total by the 6 tests, you end up with a net change in the gloss of 1-point; basically, it’s invisible to us. When you look at your top test, TAC systems, which had 12 points from six tests, and then divide by six, the average is only 2 points from the baseline. The top product was +2 and the lowest was -3. I love it because we all feel the product after we put it on our cars to gauge the slickness, but we still can’t see the difference in the gloss. Basically, you can’t go wrong with any of these for gloss and it comes down to personal preference. On the opposite side of the coin is durability and that we have learned is very different in the products you displayed. And finally, the cost can now be weighted greater in our decision process because the products are, for all intents and purposes the same to the human eye. In this business you have to be real about expenses and the products you choose will reflect on your reputation which is how we get loyal customers and referrals. So, since the products are all about the same in gloss, durability, is what will or will not protect your reputation and bring back repeat business and it is the cost of the product that will keep you in business.
Maybe carpro lite performed so bad, because it was not fully cured. The label says 48 hours to cure. What you think Jon? Although was an excellent review! I'll certainly will get the Gyeon QD after this, since is the only one of the top 5 we have access here in Brasil. Looking forward to test myself too!
Hi Jon, So the next test could be old school waxes V Shinee wax. I have a good selection if you are still interested. I would also like to add that i really like Vonixx Blend. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
I can vouch for the Shinee spray wax! That stuff is absolutely incredible. I have never tried a TAC product I didn't like.. This was awesome, you put some serious hours into this, big thank you! 👍👌✌
John great video and detailed analysis and the I love have one of those meters but they are pricey . Like see you due this with cermanica and graphene coatings. RSPEC readings will give you best data on how good the paint will look. Love the spreadsheet John ❤👍
Nothing from Bilt Hamber? Was surprised by the Autoglym UHD so thanks for the test. Also you usually do a VFM comparison with regards to price, how come you didn’t do it here? Would have been a good test cos I know the autoglym is very pricey but I’m not aware of any other prices. Thanks again and keep em coming. Getting proper bored now 😬
I was looking for this comment. Bilt Hamber is setting the benchmark in many areas such as performance for value and still beats some of the more expensive brands. Maybe John has been accused of being buyers towards BH so he took the product out of the test. I would really like to see how either the double speed wax or maybe spray wax would hold up against the other brands in this video. (John I hope you read this 😉)
i agree ceramics are not as glossy on application but it seems within a few days the gloss massively increases...I throughly belive that lite-weight ceramics need to be washed off, and remove the "dried out" product. I would be really curious if you did a small mini test about this on a small square panel, gloss before, after, and then after a shampoo wash. I think the gloss will increase after a shampoo wash jon, would be very curious.
Hi Jon. Which one brand is better? Angelwax or Tac System? I mean overall... They two have huge range of products and people rate them highly. If You have to choose only one, which one it will be? Thank's. P.S I'm a professional detailer for more than 15 years now and I really love your videos, tests, reviews... Very informative and useful!
first up you get unique formulations in house from both brands. Angelwax have some great value products. Angelwax also have like the high end engima range , and superb abrasives. TAC have influenced detailing more than most people realise, if you you make every product they have sold to other brands light up and glow green, half of everyones garage would be glowing.. They supply a big chunk of the brands ceramic coatings as well as one of the first to engineer in house other Si02 products like ceramic waxes and Si02 sprays etc.. Im a big fan of TAC. I like the idea of buying from a manufacturer... only problem is they dont have like the support network and the marketting... They are still in "supplier" mode rather than really pushing their brand forward. I can never make up my mind which brand TAC, Carpro or Gyeon to use because all 3 are so good. The downside of the korean brands though is the price. All 3 of these companies put some high price tags on their detergents and cleaning products though.
Hi John - thanks for the video and all the effort going in to help us mortals. ;) It would have been great to have seen Bilt Hamber in there, particularly Finis Wax. Cheers keep up the great work.
Superb video. Appreciate the effotrt imvolved. I have been using Dodo Juice finishing products for a while, Future Armour (Spray Sealant) & occasionaly topped up with Basics Detailing Spray. Happy with the results on a Red 2013 BMW 116i
Im using Bouncers SIO2 right now and really like it BUT Im working with a silver car mostly and its always a pig to get any real depth on that colour . Use it on the lads orange 208 and its massive gloss improvements . Ive thought about Beadmaker as a replacement once its used up but the price was kinda putting me off it for the amount you get . Top video as ever …...…… Happy isolation shave as well
Jon, why don't you retest the three with high gloss reading on a different panel, then it will take any doubt that's lurking in the back of your mind and give an overall clearer result.
Quick question. I have this ceramic coating called ISM coat 2.0 from kamikaze. After applying it do I have to wax the car at all? Is waxing contraindicated after applying it?
I think you need a way to include the starting gloss measurement as a modifier for the calculation. The higher the original gloss the result is weighted up
I'm after some advice please. I'm getting my first DA and wondering which cutting compound to use. The black roof on my Mini is pretty badly marred, not scratched. There are loads of marks, nothing I can feel with my nail. Thanks in advance.
My mentor always said that the gloss is in the paint not the product. That is true but anything water based should give more gloss than solvent based as solvents can effect gloss negatively. Silica based products give a higher film build than silicones/waxes so more gloss/colour richness but many product types work well. You do great videos Jon. Always fun to wafch.
@@ForensicDetailing spot on mate. My thoughts are that polish gets the paint as good as it can be naturally and the sealants, waxes, gloss enhancing glazes plus coating as well take it a little further than polishes can due to acrylics pdms siloxanes, t1 grade carnauba and resins in these supplementary products. Im all clear no covid 19 after being tested this week. Phew. Stay safe yourself. Check out my podcast with the rag company soon, i hope that it is helpful and interesting to all detailers and enthusiasts. I dont consider myself a guru, just passionate
Great test. Based on you tests could I substitute Tac System Shinee Wax for the Turtle Wax Spray Coating? Is or will it compatible? I have a fresh layer of Turtle Wax Polish & Wax on the car?
short answer is yes although, shinee wax is like a detail spray/spray wax.. Turtle wax ceramic spray coating is like a durable SI02 spray sealant so you can juice more durability out of the SI02 problem with barebones prep.
Just bought Tac Systems Shinee Wax off the back of your review. I love D&D Si edition gloss so hoping this’ll top that. Look forward to some good weather so I can give it a whirl
I know it would be a lot of work but have you considered swapping test panels to see if products that were used on a low gloss panel still gave the same improvement when used on a high gloss panel and vice versa? Stay safe.
Hi John, quick question from another video. I recently purchased waxed plant 8 below and used it today. Mine was no where near as foamy as yours in the video, I used 90mls in a 1 litre snow foam as recommended by yourself in the video, am I doing something wrong? Or are there other factors involved such as pressure washer? I have the K4 compared to your K7.... could the pressure be the answer? Would really appreciate your help mate! Thanks
Amazing job as always. Recently I’ve tried a few different combinations on my vehicles. I used angelwax regenerate the. Egnima AIO topped with egnima wax. I was absolutely blown away. Did it on a black 2006 Yukon. Dripping wet! Ran out of time but will tip with ti22 tomorrow. Egnima was a little sticky. Other combinations are jescar power lock plus and Colinite 845. NOw that is slick and beautiful. Again amazing job!
Having purchased Shinee Wax after seeing your results I can say it is indeed very easy to use and very shiny, however since applying it I have had nothing but water ring marks every time it rains. These are hard to remove so I wont be using it anymore sadly.
Excellent work as always Dad! Appreciate the time you take to do this. WOWO’s showstopper is supposed to be a pure gloss booster for car shows - if you ever get the chance. 😘
Very interesting test and very thorough, however my question is this, can the naked eye see any real difference in any of these products? Keep up the great reviews and tests.
@@rixZR2 10 is what the average person needs.. for instance to look at paint and say "wow that's shiny.." versus just another car on the road.. generally above 90 units.. 5+ is about what it takes to intentionally look at two otherwise identical surfaces side by side and see a difference.. 👍✌
I know everyone raves about Beadmaker but I found it to be the worst product I've tried so far. I've never seen a comparison with Gtechniq products, I'd LOVE to see how they fair in the gloss race. I find them the easiest to work with and just gloss second to none.
How does tac wax work In terms or protection, I feel when I've done a full detail removing the swirls etc, then applying a wax it gives me a lair of protection as it is thick but with a spray wax I don't see how it can protect your paint as well as a wax will, also how would the gloss levels change if at all if u applied the HD wax then tac wax over the top???
Did you let the graphine and ceramic products cure? They will lose gloss if you didn't let them cure because the gloss comes with time. I've seen the graphine gain crazy amounts of gloss on gloss reading after a day or two of cure
I don't know how you could do it, but have you thought about doing this test with low pre readings? Would be interested to see what products can breath some life into dull paint.
I have seen great results ( almost 10 GU added) with Turtle Wax Ceramic Spray. I started using it on my car. Really easiest application ever and great result!
Bet the ceramics would have done better if they were cured. I am assuming but I don't think he let them cure at all. From apex detailing, the graphine really gains lots of gloss after a day or two of cure time.
I'm confused by this test. Using the mean scores, Shinee Wax increased gloss by a total of 3.96 gloss units. From what I have read, only a change of 5 gloss units is perceptible to the human eye. Based on this, the gloss added by Shinee wax isn't perceptible. Am I missing something here?
from a gloss perspective. if I took a car with high gloss from having good condition paint (high physical gloss). and I apply shinee wax to one side or one half. You will not be able to tell which side I applied shinee wax to. so yes you are kind of correct. its a long discussion though.
@@ForensicDetailing I'm very curious to learn more. Could you do a video on when a quick detailer becomes perceptible? This would be very interesting and original. Thanks for you channel and time. It's much appreciated!
How long after the application of the ceramic coatings you measure the gloss? As you probably know, most of the ceramic coatings take a couple of days to fully cure, unless UV light is used. Only after full cure they reach their maximum gloss. What are your observations?
I normally wait 24 hours. Ive done longer tests over 7 days its doesnt normally make any difference in terms of gloss readings. most of these products lower gloss on highly refined finishes.
Carnuba turtle wax paste for £5, is the only product I’ve used that’s actually given the warm depth and shine. Every other spray doesn’t come close. My black Carnuba wax’d car looked better than my mates Ceramic coated car
Am I missing something, I've bought tac systems shinee wax to use after my regular maintenance wash. I've carbon black bmw paint and it leaves a horrid streaky mess that's near impossible to remove. Am I doing something wrong or have I just got a bad bottle. Mines pale yellow in colour should it be bright yellow instead?
Thanks I'll check it out and see if I'm overlooking something, I had such high hopes after having incredible results with their one step master paint sealant.
Shinee Wax... does this act as an LSP, or would it be better as an LSP top up for maintenance washes? I protect my car with Bilt Hamber Double Speed Wax which I reapply every 6 months or. After I've maintenance washed the car, I spray Auto Glym Aqua wax onto the wet car before drying it. Would this Shinee Wax work for that?
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks. I'm probably asking the scope of an entire video here, but what are the purpose of QD sprays? I don't have the patience or energy to detail my car often, so I only clean off old wax and reapply once or twice a year. Anything I put on I want to last.
I don't know if I got this right. Most readings stayed virtually the same pre and post. We're used to seeing 10+ gloss units in general when this test is carried out with Graphene adding loads more and hitting 100 when Brian tested it. I was expecting the likes of DDsi would bring the panel at least to mid 90s. Totally confused. Was it the machine that was wrong? Guess most readings are taken at normally taken at 60 degrees not 20, was that the issue here?
this machine does not have like a setting of 20 or 60 it just snaps both for every reading. gloss comparisons are generally not comparable. for example my red peril wont reach of 89-90 units of 20 degreee measured gloss but its lovely to look at. My scrap panel outside will measure 90 gloss if you buff it quickly with anything really. These test panels are gloss black with no metallic fleck, with soft paint systems. one thing also is 60 deg gloss meters loose accuracy when the readings go higher than around 70 gu.
I'd like to do a question... In the video dont talk about the durability of jetseal... now (10-10-2020) can you tell us something more about the durability of this product ? (Chemical Guys Jet seal?). I am looking for information about this feature (durability) of the JeatSeal but it is difficult to dive into the internet and find accurate and secure information.
@@ForensicDetailing Fantastic video. Thanks a lot. Your job is gold for the fanatic of detail in all the planet. Is fantastic. The job of one person is useful for thousands of us... Thanks again from Spain.
Interesting test Jon. Surprised the Done & Dusted didn't do better though. I'd like to see some of the new Wowos products tested at some point, what with them all being revamped recently.
It is *insane* on top of a quality coating's cool bright gloss.. adds some of the warm glow of natural wax and a dripping wet gloss. You will *not* be disappointed there. It is short lived though, a few weeks/washes, but it's worth it. I break it out to top show cars and my high end packages right before they leave.
Great Video. Your approach to take 3 readings for each product left little to no room for error. But, I feel the glossiest pre test panel did some injustice to the applied products.
Nice video Jon!! One I have been waiting for...I actually found Tac Systems Shinee wax to be nice but had some problems with buffing it out on a Moonlight covered car...not sure why but it was sticky..dont know is it down to putting too much on or what...
Someone kindly sanity checked the data and corrected it all in this spread sheet (huuuge thank you to magician) Please see corrected data in this spread sheet.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18qiYAuiFK810Ydkmor98ADd200yfhdKGlK0pX7_Wjf0/edit#gid=0
Have you ever mixed a product from scratch?
Yeah I was about to ask the same.
There are some interesting homemade wax videos he has made. He shows you how to make a good wax, you just need to invest in all the raw material.
@@carbonconnection2480 Yes he has made his hair fall out
The file is no longer available :(
What a complete, intense comparison, your truely one of the best in the business👍👍
Some serious work gone into creating this jon,full respect and thankyou!
Not much anyone can say really Jon about this video other than it is absolutely what we all love to see, fantastic. Thank you for all the hard work that went into making it 👍
Thank you for doing this test. I know it's a lot of work, and I appreciate it.
Thanks John! another great comparison - On top of my huge range of detailing products (which should last me about 30 yrs, ! ! i now have yet another to try. (TAC systems shinee wax - thanks for the easy link and discount code) I do love buying and trying out new products). My mrs shakes her head and looks to the sky whenever new detailing stuff arrives in the post - although her car gets the same (well almost) treatment as mine. all the v. best, Andy
Just wanted to say that I think your videos are great. Taught me a lot about detailing I didn't know. Very informative tests you do. Some very good ideas you come up with for the tests. Love watching them. Keep going and power to you. Thanks for putting so much of your own time in to the videos. Much appreciated.
Awesome, thank you!
been using Shinee wax for a few months now, it is great! I often use it as post wash detailer and the gloss is great and it rarely leaves any marks on the paint, super easy to work with too! just keep away from direct sun/hot panels and it'll leave a very deep and glossy shine.
How is the longevity. Jw if this is very temporary like days or a few weeks.
John, you are the true forensic lab-type. R-spec! I am very impressed with all of this. And the making of your own waxes! Fabulous my friend!
This was a great video! I would LOVE to see a updated version of this with more/newer sealants and waxes.....use the winner of this one in the next one, include NV Lustre, maybe some Scholls products, some others.
Thank you for doing these tests, in my experience, a lot of the SiO2 quick detailers and Beadmaker are shiny BUT they do not darken the paint color for that "wet look" the way polymer sealants or carnauba wax based products do.
Great video! I used Shinee wax today on my car for the first time and it’s unbelievable how beautiful my car looks!
it does but a good shine on as well. most products do but im convince this and the gyeon detail spray are like shine monsters.
A bonkers amount of effort Jon, 5* review. I've just watched another QD vid you did and Shinee was a winner there. A trend?
I've also been looking at a few vids of WoWos QD and it seems to be getting some praise.
If you took price and ease of application into consideration which product would you use jon?
Looking smart John 👍, brilliant video as always, I’ve learnt a lot from you mate
Really great video!! Balanced and in depth with no waffle. Well done and thank you!
After I saw the title , the first product which came to my mind was the shinee wax 👍🏻
Would the Gyeon not be the best choice simply from an ease of application stand point? Seems like it's a simple spray on and wipe off as as drying aid whereas the Shinee has to be wiped on with an applicator and then wiped off.
Excellent comparison, informed and interesting. Well done
that person!For me, without a shadow of doubt , Simoniz Quickshine
Detailer is head, shoulders and feather cap above anything else. It’s absolutely
brilliant. Detailing sceptics will be won over. Trust me on this.
Wilko’s is selling 500ml bottles for £4.50, the cheapest
price in the country. If that wasn’t enough to convince you it’s now been
reduced down to £2.25. That’s virtually free.! They even gave you a full refund
if not satisfied. You couldn’t get vexed
if you wanted too!The product was recommended to me from a passionate, knowledgeable
local car detailer.
Happy Days!
Secret tip: if you ever get your hand on ODK Echo, HB Sauce Montan Madness, and/or Wax-Planet Obsidian or Assassin, try and test them. By far the best waxes I tried when it comes to anvisible i crease in finish. Not sure if that really is „gloss“ or just a change in light reflections, but would be really good candidates. Thanks for the test, very thourough and conclusive!
I applied CarPro Lite a couple of weeks ago after a 1 step with Sonax PF and I think I preferred the look of the car before I did it, wanted a solid base so still happy I did it.
Bouncers is still a class product for me as I loved the way it made my car look and it’s good for dusty summer weather.
Fantastic!! I have been playing around with several combinations of products and while it’s extremely intensive the only way I have been able to consistently reach higher 90’s on the gloss meeter was with a base coating of CQuartz UK 3.0, followed by Geyon Can Coat, then Angel Wax High Gloss, then finish with P21s Concourse paste wax. It’s always a several day process but the outcome is worth it! Paste wax never lasts long over a coating but it gives it that warm glow that just can’t be recreated with a coating
Jon, you really put gloss readings into perspective with your work; Job well done. You showed mathematically, how good and how close each of these products really is to each other. Especially since the difference between the top and bottom products on the list was just 5 points; let me explain. We have to remember the human eye can’t even see the difference in gloss when the change is less than 8-10-points from the baseline reading. So, looking at Griots, for example, the total of six readings changed by 6 points, so when you divide the 6-point total by the 6 tests, you end up with a net change in the gloss of 1-point; basically, it’s invisible to us. When you look at your top test, TAC systems, which had 12 points from six tests, and then divide by six, the average is only 2 points from the baseline. The top product was +2 and the lowest was -3. I love it because we all feel the product after we put it on our cars to gauge the slickness, but we still can’t see the difference in the gloss. Basically, you can’t go wrong with any of these for gloss and it comes down to personal preference. On the opposite side of the coin is durability and that we have learned is very different in the products you displayed. And finally, the cost can now be weighted greater in our decision process because the products are, for all intents and purposes the same to the human eye. In this business you have to be real about expenses and the products you choose will reflect on your reputation which is how we get loyal customers and referrals. So, since the products are all about the same in gloss, durability, is what will or will not protect your reputation and bring back repeat business and it is the cost of the product that will keep you in business.
I use Gyeon's Ceramic Detailer and am really impressed with its slickness and gloss.
You really have the most amazing product reviews. I appreciate you and all the work you put into this.
thanks Joey
Maybe carpro lite performed so bad, because it was not fully cured. The label says 48 hours to cure. What you think Jon?
Although was an excellent review! I'll certainly will get the Gyeon QD after this, since is the only one of the top 5 we have access here in Brasil. Looking forward to test myself too!
its possible, but I think ceramics generally struggle to add gloss on high gloss.
Hi Jon, So the next test could be old school waxes V Shinee wax. I have a good selection if you are still interested. I would also like to add that i really like Vonixx Blend.
Keep up the good work and stay safe.
I love your testing methodology, Jon, from a retired physicist.
I can vouch for the Shinee spray wax! That stuff is absolutely incredible. I have never tried a TAC product I didn't like..
This was awesome, you put some serious hours into this, big thank you! 👍👌✌
Will it give Any better gloss than meguiars wax ?
Great video and comprehensive comparison! My two favorites for gloss are:
Tac Systems 1 Step Master
and Infinity Wax Primo Wax
Cheers
Thank you Sir!! Excellent attention to detail I love the deep dive on all the products I love the technical nerdy data.
I’m always learning something, thanks for taking the time to do the testing 👍
John great video and detailed analysis and the I love have one of those meters but they are pricey . Like see you due this with cermanica and graphene coatings. RSPEC readings will give you best data on how good the paint will look. Love the spreadsheet John ❤👍
Solid video. When I saw the notebook, damn. That's what makes you videos very unique and objective
What make and model gloss meter do you have? I'm looking at the Landtek gm-6, but yours takes more readings I think. How do you like your gloss meter?
Fantastic video Jon, thank you so much for all of your work and efforts! 🤩😉😊👌🏻🙏🏻
Nothing from Bilt Hamber? Was surprised by the Autoglym UHD so thanks for the test.
Also you usually do a VFM comparison with regards to price, how come you didn’t do it here? Would have been a good test cos I know the autoglym is very pricey but I’m not aware of any other prices.
Thanks again and keep em coming. Getting proper bored now 😬
I was looking for this comment. Bilt Hamber is setting the benchmark in many areas such as performance for value and still beats some of the more expensive brands. Maybe John has been accused of being buyers towards BH so he took the product out of the test. I would really like to see how either the double speed wax or maybe spray wax would hold up against the other brands in this video. (John I hope you read this 😉)
Awesome stuff Jon mine arrived yesterday and used it today, by far the best I’ve used thanks as ever
i agree ceramics are not as glossy on application but it seems within a few days the gloss massively increases...I throughly belive that lite-weight ceramics need to be washed off, and remove the "dried out" product. I would be really curious if you did a small mini test about this on a small square panel, gloss before, after, and then after a shampoo wash. I think the gloss will increase after a shampoo wash jon, would be very curious.
Hi Jon. Which one brand is better? Angelwax or Tac System? I mean overall... They two have huge range of products and people rate them highly. If You have to choose only one, which one it will be?
Thank's.
P.S I'm a professional detailer for more than 15 years now and I really love your videos, tests, reviews... Very informative and useful!
first up you get unique formulations in house from both brands. Angelwax have some great value products. Angelwax also have like the high end engima range , and superb abrasives.
TAC have influenced detailing more than most people realise, if you you make every product they have sold to other brands light up and glow green, half of everyones garage would be glowing.. They supply a big chunk of the brands ceramic coatings as well as one of the first to engineer in house other Si02 products like ceramic waxes and Si02 sprays etc.. Im a big fan of TAC. I like the idea of buying from a manufacturer... only problem is they dont have like the support network and the marketting... They are still in "supplier" mode rather than really pushing their brand forward. I can never make up my mind which brand TAC, Carpro or Gyeon to use because all 3 are so good. The downside of the korean brands though is the price. All 3 of these companies put some high price tags on their detergents and cleaning products though.
What happened to your previous year's (2016) winner - original Done & Dusted...?
You are fucking class Jon ! What a channel, absolute diamond and content is golden
I wonder which result you would get by using the Menzerna Power lock ultimate protection.
The slickness of this sealant is incredible.
Give em a try
Hi John - thanks for the video and all the effort going in to help us mortals. ;) It would have been great to have seen Bilt Hamber in there, particularly Finis Wax. Cheers keep up the great work.
Superb video. Appreciate the effotrt imvolved. I have been using Dodo Juice finishing products for a while, Future Armour (Spray Sealant) & occasionaly topped up with Basics Detailing Spray. Happy with the results on a Red 2013 BMW 116i
Im using Bouncers SIO2 right now and really like it BUT Im working with a silver car mostly and its always a pig to get any real depth on that colour . Use it on the lads orange 208 and its massive gloss improvements . Ive thought about Beadmaker as a replacement once its used up but the price was kinda putting me off it for the amount you get . Top video as ever …...…… Happy isolation shave as well
Thanks a lot for your work. It's pure gold your job. I can see results and to obtain conclusions with your cientifics tests.
Jon, why don't you retest the three with high gloss reading on a different panel, then it will take any doubt that's lurking in the back of your mind and give an overall clearer result.
millions of backlog of products to test constantly. got to cover new ground and later we sort of revist things..
@@ForensicDetailing Millions Jon, you must be a busy lad , lol ?
Quick question. I have this ceramic coating called ISM coat 2.0 from kamikaze. After applying it do I have to wax the car at all? Is waxing contraindicated after applying it?
Another great video as always! Thanks for all your hard work!
I think you need a way to include the starting gloss measurement as a modifier for the calculation. The higher the original gloss the result is weighted up
Absolutely love your channel. Can I apply Sonax BSD with TAC shinee wax? BSD had insane bleeding and shinee wax offers the best gloss
only one thing can be on top though my friend
What's your opinion on this shine armour stuff that's being touted all over the place at the minute Jon?
Thanks for introducing me to Gyeon Quick Detailer... superb product, love it.
You're doing great work here. Thanks!
I'm after some advice please.
I'm getting my first DA and wondering which cutting compound to use.
The black roof on my Mini is pretty badly marred, not scratched. There are loads of marks, nothing I can feel with my nail.
Thanks in advance.
My mentor always said that the gloss is in the paint not the product. That is true but anything water based should give more gloss than solvent based as solvents can effect gloss negatively. Silica based products give a higher film build than silicones/waxes so more gloss/colour richness but many product types work well. You do great videos Jon. Always fun to wafch.
the physical or natural gloss of the clearcoat is the main thing isnt it. cant beat a good polish :) stay safe mate great to hear from you.
@@ForensicDetailing spot on mate. My thoughts are that polish gets the paint as good as it can be naturally and the sealants, waxes, gloss enhancing glazes plus coating as well take it a little further than polishes can due to acrylics pdms siloxanes, t1 grade carnauba and resins in these supplementary products. Im all clear no covid 19 after being tested this week. Phew. Stay safe yourself. Check out my podcast with the rag company soon, i hope that it is helpful and interesting to all detailers and enthusiasts. I dont consider myself a guru, just passionate
Shinee Wax is definitely on my wish list now! It looks to be a fantastic summer product for when you’re more interested in gloss👌🏻
Interesting that you didn't include Sonax BSD in your test? And Zaino Z6?
Lockdown hair cut... I got the same thing going. 😂
Lockdown weight gain too...
Great test. Based on you tests could I substitute Tac System Shinee Wax for the Turtle Wax Spray Coating? Is or will it compatible? I have a fresh layer of Turtle Wax Polish & Wax on the car?
short answer is yes although, shinee wax is like a detail spray/spray wax.. Turtle wax ceramic spray coating is like a durable SI02 spray sealant so you can juice more durability out of the SI02 problem with barebones prep.
Just bought Tac Systems Shinee Wax off the back of your review. I love D&D Si edition gloss so hoping this’ll top that. Look forward to some good weather so I can give it a whirl
I know it would be a lot of work but have you considered swapping test panels to see if products that were used on a low gloss panel still gave the same improvement when used on a high gloss panel and vice versa?
Stay safe.
you have to polish the panels to remove the products fully and then you scramble up all the gloss values.
Hi John, quick question from another video. I recently purchased waxed plant 8 below and used it today. Mine was no where near as foamy as yours in the video, I used 90mls in a 1 litre snow foam as recommended by yourself in the video, am I doing something wrong? Or are there other factors involved such as pressure washer? I have the K4 compared to your K7.... could the pressure be the answer? Would really appreciate your help mate! Thanks
yes mate have a watch of how to get thick snow foam on the unplugged channel.. But my K7 makes really thick foam.
Forensic Detailing Channel cheers John, just to make sure I am using the correct dilution, 90mls Wax plant in an 1 litre foam lance?
What product do you use or recommend that you prefer over Jescar Powerlock?
I tend to recomend tAC moonlight.
Amazing job as always. Recently I’ve tried a few different combinations on my vehicles. I used angelwax regenerate the. Egnima AIO topped with egnima wax. I was absolutely blown away. Did it on a black 2006 Yukon. Dripping wet! Ran out of time but will tip with ti22 tomorrow. Egnima was a little sticky.
Other combinations are jescar power lock plus and Colinite 845. NOw that is slick and beautiful.
Again amazing job!
Having purchased Shinee Wax after seeing your results I can say it is indeed very easy to use and very shiny, however since applying it I have had nothing but water ring marks every time it rains. These are hard to remove so I wont be using it anymore sadly.
Jon you look so much better clean shaven!
Stay healthy and thanks for the vids.
Jon great video. My car has been ceramic coated for 1 year. Could I use this as a topper over my ceramic coating?
Not only can you but you def should. It will greatly extend the life of the coating
Excellent work as always Dad! Appreciate the time you take to do this. WOWO’s showstopper is supposed to be a pure gloss booster for car shows - if you ever get the chance. 😘
Wowo is appearing around here as well. I can’t take another carecare maker, there’s just too many to check out 😄
Very interesting test and very thorough, however my question is this, can the naked eye see any real difference in any of these products? Keep up the great reviews and tests.
It takes a difference of around 10 gloss units to visually see..
@@jdisdetermined I thought is was 5 gloss units to the naked eye? 10 units make 95% of most gloss test irrelevant
@@jdisdetermined or around ten beers
@@rixZR2 10 is what the average person needs.. for instance to look at paint and say "wow that's shiny.." versus just another car on the road.. generally above 90 units.. 5+ is about what it takes to intentionally look at two otherwise identical surfaces side by side and see a difference.. 👍✌
I know everyone raves about Beadmaker but I found it to be the worst product I've tried so far. I've never seen a comparison with Gtechniq products, I'd LOVE to see how they fair in the gloss race. I find them the easiest to work with and just gloss second to none.
i wouldnt touch beadmaker, or any P&S (PIECE & SHIT)
David C that’s funny, I wasted 20 bucks on a gallon and the small spray bottle I just want to use that up it sucks!
Levi White I’ll pay you a 20 to ship that to me
my silver metallic car glows with Beadmaker over a traditional sealant (Powerlock+, Wolfgang)
How does tac wax work In terms or protection, I feel when I've done a full detail removing the swirls etc, then applying a wax it gives me a lair of protection as it is thick but with a spray wax I don't see how it can protect your paint as well as a wax will, also how would the gloss levels change if at all if u applied the HD wax then tac wax over the top???
Did you let the graphine and ceramic products cure? They will lose gloss if you didn't let them cure because the gloss comes with time. I've seen the graphine gain crazy amounts of gloss on gloss reading after a day or two of cure
Does that mean, that if you had a high gloss reading then added a ceramic coating, the gloss reading would drop?
Hi how does the autoglym UHD compare to the meguires ceramic liquid wax ?
After using autoglym super resin polish
@Jon, is polish angel high gloss worth $70 and how much better (adding gloss) would it be than shinee wax ?
would have to test to answer this but polished angel are a interesting brand worth checking their stuff.. pricey yes but i think its good.
Spot on video once again Jon, top quality content. Thanks you very much mate. 👌👏
I don't know how you could do it, but have you thought about doing this test with low pre readings? Would be interested to see what products can breath some life into dull paint.
i found if i follow the beadmaker direction and do 2 layer , it will do boost it a bit more!
Good and thanks for the test m8!!
I have seen great results ( almost 10 GU added) with Turtle Wax Ceramic Spray. I started using it on my car. Really easiest application ever and great result!
Bet the ceramics would have done better if they were cured. I am assuming but I don't think he let them cure at all. From apex detailing, the graphine really gains lots of gloss after a day or two of cure time.
I'm confused by this test. Using the mean scores, Shinee Wax increased gloss by a total of 3.96 gloss units. From what I have read, only a change of 5 gloss units is perceptible to the human eye. Based on this, the gloss added by Shinee wax isn't perceptible. Am I missing something here?
from a gloss perspective. if I took a car with high gloss from having good condition paint (high physical gloss). and I apply shinee wax to one side or one half. You will not be able to tell which side I applied shinee wax to. so yes you are kind of correct. its a long discussion though.
@@ForensicDetailing I'm very curious to learn more. Could you do a video on when a quick detailer becomes perceptible? This would be very interesting and original. Thanks for you channel and time. It's much appreciated!
My eyes are my gloss meter. 🤣 I totally appreciate the time & effort you put into your videos. 👏🏻
Is that with or without the specs?
How long after the application of the ceramic coatings you measure the gloss? As you probably know, most of the ceramic coatings take a couple of days to fully cure, unless UV light is used. Only after full cure they reach their maximum gloss. What are your observations?
I normally wait 24 hours. Ive done longer tests over 7 days its doesnt normally make any difference in terms of gloss readings. most of these products lower gloss on highly refined finishes.
@@ForensicDetailing I see, thanks.
I love all your gadgets. Been looking for a gloss meter. Just found a nice microscopy camera. Great work!
Nice set of FLex polishers in the background. As the Das6 Pro's are out of stock can you recommend a similar budget beginners DA polisher please?
Carnuba turtle wax paste for £5, is the only product I’ve used that’s actually given the warm depth and shine. Every other spray doesn’t come close. My black Carnuba wax’d car looked better than my mates Ceramic coated car
Jon tested the hell out of that, excellent, thanks
I use Maguire's ultimate compound and I'm wondering what's a little bit more aggressive than this ?
Great test comparison, I’ve used the Gyeon QD and it’s amazing for the price
Am I missing something, I've bought tac systems shinee wax to use after my regular maintenance wash. I've carbon black bmw paint and it leaves a horrid streaky mess that's near impossible to remove. Am I doing something wrong or have I just got a bad bottle. Mines pale yellow in colour should it be bright yellow instead?
Its impossible to know mate but maybe this can help.
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Thanks I'll check it out and see if I'm overlooking something, I had such high hopes after having incredible results with their one step master paint sealant.
Shinee Wax... does this act as an LSP, or would it be better as an LSP top up for maintenance washes? I protect my car with Bilt Hamber Double Speed Wax which I reapply every 6 months or. After I've maintenance washed the car, I spray Auto Glym Aqua wax onto the wet car before drying it. Would this Shinee Wax work for that?
its a detail spray.. no durability but adds lots of gloss on application.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks. I'm probably asking the scope of an entire video here, but what are the purpose of QD sprays? I don't have the patience or energy to detail my car often, so I only clean off old wax and reapply once or twice a year. Anything I put on I want to last.
I don't know if I got this right. Most readings stayed virtually the same pre and post. We're used to seeing 10+ gloss units in general when this test is carried out with Graphene adding loads more and hitting 100 when Brian tested it. I was expecting the likes of DDsi would bring the panel at least to mid 90s. Totally confused. Was it the machine that was wrong? Guess most readings are taken at normally taken at 60 degrees not 20, was that the issue here?
this machine does not have like a setting of 20 or 60 it just snaps both for every reading. gloss comparisons are generally not comparable. for example my red peril wont reach of 89-90 units of 20 degreee measured gloss but its lovely to look at. My scrap panel outside will measure 90 gloss if you buff it quickly with anything really.
These test panels are gloss black with no metallic fleck, with soft paint systems.
one thing also is 60 deg gloss meters loose accuracy when the readings go higher than around 70 gu.
I use carpro reload on carpro lite.
The paint looks 👌👌
Thank you for your hard work and great information!!!!!
I'd like to do a question... In the video dont talk about the durability of jetseal... now (10-10-2020) can you tell us something more about the durability of this product ? (Chemical Guys Jet seal?). I am looking for information about this feature (durability) of the JeatSeal but it is difficult to dive into the internet and find accurate and secure information.
I can help here IVe been doing a long term test on the product. see here>
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@@ForensicDetailing Fantastic video. Thanks a lot. Your job is gold for the fanatic of detail in all the planet. Is fantastic. The job of one person is useful for thousands of us... Thanks again from Spain.
Interesting test Jon. Surprised the Done & Dusted didn't do better though. I'd like to see some of the new Wowos products tested at some point, what with them all being revamped recently.
Great video, John. Would adding Shinee as a topper on coating to give an added boast be advisable?
yes mate exactly that and its made by a coating manufacturer so should be good with ceramics.
It is *insane* on top of a quality coating's cool bright gloss.. adds some of the warm glow of natural wax and a dripping wet gloss. You will *not* be disappointed there. It is short lived though, a few weeks/washes, but it's worth it. I break it out to top show cars and my high end packages right before they leave.
Great Video. Your approach to take 3 readings for each product left little to no room for error.
But, I feel the glossiest pre test panel did some injustice to the applied products.
Nice video Jon!! One I have been waiting for...I actually found Tac Systems Shinee wax to be nice but had some problems with buffing it out on a Moonlight covered car...not sure why but it was sticky..dont know is it down to putting too much on or what...
not sure mate, was it hot?
@@ForensicDetailing no Jon! I think it was too cold actually. You know Helsinki Spring :(