Judge knows for the fact that the documents were furnished to the defence and now the defence are playing delay tactics. There's nothing more to be defended .Guilty verdict loading
Judge Ratha Mokgoatleng, i hope this finds you well. I used to hold you in high regard and respect you when you were first introduced to this case, but now I have a view of contempt and utter disgust at your conduct as a presiding officer, and you really bring the name as well as what the judiciary stands for into disrepute. Your conduct doesn't resonate with that of a fair, respectable and impartial judge. You are disgusting, and your level of bias and favouritism is shouting out loud. I hope your conscience is clear after this trial. Sies
I have never thought that one day I will use such words as THIS JUDGE IS USELESS AND DISRESPECTFUL.. He is in actual fact, an embarrassment to the African people at large
no man the Judge must reprimand Mr Baloyi he cant say he has forgotten, you cant be bringing discoveries each day. Thats why people are petitioning the JP
The requests are always done verbally now how come he wants a letter request. RATHA must be fair to both sides. He has to be neutral and not make it obvious that he stands with the state
It's purely administrative. Judge should allow reasonable time for consulting and stuff. Yes! We want an expedited trial but not in a rushed manner. Judge should give all counsel time to prepare. Matter should have been postponed to Friday or even Monday
Did you notice how the judge stopped Mngomezulu from putting his grievances on record. Mngomezulu wants 2014 205's for the people who were in that Spaza house which are relevant to this case not this irrelevant nonsense that is being cooked. The judge diverted and now he wants written requests after all this time. We are being played for fools here.
Iyooo the state really wastes time. How many years back then Ratha when you consulted on holidays? Why can’t the state bring all necessary documents that were used because they are legal
This judge always wants to blame the defence, the prosecution admits he received receipt of the requested documents but he just wants to blame it on the defence advocates.This judge is not going to rule fairly. 😢
His judgment about the acceptance of the so called confession is bias. He ignored lot of inconsistency, contradictions and lies from Gininda and the company. This guy was hired by cover up syndicates to sentenced this five guys and Kelly will not be included
@@ThokoMashiane if we're being impartial it could also be that the disk was corrupted (on purpose) hence unable to open because it can't be that all their laptops are outdated, that would be a very alarming coincidence! don't you think.
Last days he said adv.Mshololo should have flagged monthly that she hasn't been furnished with certain documents Now the story has changed to letters 😢
What does the NPA have to say about the incompetence of the state prosecutor in this trial???? Unnecessary delays and irrelevant witnesses! Justice delayed is justice denied!
@@Mbali-ho6bw Yes he mentioned Batohi. She was the one that decided not to bring doc 375 to trial. She needs to get her act together. This trial is an embarrassment to our justice system! She is silent about this circus trial.
What the state prosecutor is doing is an insult to the people of South Africa and Ratha is busy covering the state prosecutor this shows exactly that they do consult before coming to court
Ratha don't protect your guy. He's a liar just like a lot of you. He hasn't forgotten anything. His lies catches up with him. By the way your jokes are boring
I have never seen such confusion from the state side. The coocking fif nit go well. Thats why there's confusion. The judge even went further to say Mr Baloyi firgot, shoooooo,,,, haikhona Ratha Lets wait and see when evilvare persished
Hay Shem the judge cannot even hide it from defending the state.. I thought today was the day of handing over everything that was requested now.. he is asking the defence did you write a letter , maybe he forgot but the state did not say that.... Arrg 💔💔💔
Ntanzi looks like he's lost a lot of weight. He looks drained, man. I find it very hard to even look at him. I wish i could make this right for him. Wafa umntanomfazi efela izono zabanye abantu
To those calling themselves Team Baloyi let me remind you that the world is watching this circus. The favorite in court isn't reprimanded if he causes delays but the judge always have something to say with the defence.
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Lol defence wants raw section 205 and they will cry that can't see them imagine they are being simplified for them and they still couldn't read it .Baloyi went to simplify them further for the defence but still
Ratha a very incompetent Judge it shows that this is a promotion any fool Advocate can be a Judge there is no School for this his behavior is embarrassing
@@True_crime_justiceIt seems like they came to trial but they were not ready. They keep bringing evidence in trickles. So ABSA has now responded🙄🙄. Justice delayed is justice denied..Yoh!
Guys let's make-up our minds to make affidavit to remove ratha to this case is our taxes money to get closure and for Meyiwas family I'm sick as if is my son please the state team is blind even mlambo ramphosa and mafias police i don't want to talk about cele so we must stand up tomorrow is your son or you pls pra for Adv Tefo and Ntazi they target
PETITION is the way to go against this Judge He is undermining the defense and also allows Baloyi to cut Conners. The winter be any justice in this case.
This judge is something,today he is asking the defence is the have made a written request for information that they have been requesting from the defense in his presence
Documents are not being provided because they are still cooking them, same as the bank statements, this will never be FAIR trial, the judge i siding with state prosecutor, ive never seen such nonsense 😢😢😢
Mngomezulu is quite correct all these tactics by the state and the judge will mount to unfair trail. Furthermore the defense is getting tired of this and they are becoming badly on daily basis.
Sies!!! even the interpreter can see that this case is cooked and doesn't want to be part of this nonsense anymore. this is a disgrace. The so called judge is allowing Baloyi to mislead the court and to withhold important information from the defence, even when they keep on asking for the information. RATHA should step down as well.
Now the defence must write a letter to request each & every missing documents and the state must write back to confirm the receipt of the letter as well as the letter to confirm the provision of the outstanding docs. CIRCUS!!!😩🤧
Ntanzi should become state witness the rest are serving big heavy sentences except him.He is the first time offender .Should they be sentenced the looser will be Ntanzi only the rest have nothing to loose or win .Win or loose is the same
No court today guys Vaseline was the 1 who needed more time to "compile" his evidence as always 😂😂For a case they investigated in 2014 but yet new evidence is introduced always..as for Mr 1738 Ratata fusek
Maybe he has forgotten Ratha defending baloi,the state started with the trial when investigations are not completed,baloi and gininda are cooking this case
It has begun. My grandson had a story about Senzo and a few paragraphs about the case. They had to read and answer questions. This is already included in SA history
Mshololo are yoiu ready for Zandi Khumalo she is coming again and this time she is ready to roast you, she will dress you down clear get ready, she is nononsense
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The jugde is not furious about the state submitted the documents late. When Advocate Mngomezulu is not feeling well he throws tantrums. It is not fare
Fair
Judge knows for the fact that the documents were furnished to the defence and now the defence are playing delay tactics. There's nothing more to be defended .Guilty verdict loading
Judge Ratha Mokgoatleng, i hope this finds you well. I used to hold you in high regard and respect you when you were first introduced to this case, but now I have a view of contempt and utter disgust at your conduct as a presiding officer, and you really bring the name as well as what the judiciary stands for into disrepute. Your conduct doesn't resonate with that of a fair, respectable and impartial judge. You are disgusting, and your level of bias and favouritism is shouting out loud. I hope your conscience is clear after this trial. Sies
I have never thought that one day I will use such words as THIS JUDGE IS USELESS AND DISRESPECTFUL.. He is in actual fact, an embarrassment to the African people at large
Mina if there was a person am willing to be jailed for is Ratha after kicking him
@@khethelokhumalo5127 🤣😂🤣😂... That makes the two of us
@@khethelokhumalo5127😂😂😂😂
He has been useless and disrespectful for long time luv 😂😂😂
It's very strange that the judge is not reprimanding the state his biasness shows so clearly
no man the Judge must reprimand Mr Baloyi he cant say he has forgotten, you cant be bringing discoveries each day. Thats why people are petitioning the JP
Yoooh im so emotional. What a humble gentleman this intrepreter, even thanking the accused
Meaning that even the court members can see that there is something not fair to these accused.
Indeed he's a humble guy
Not the judge making an excuse for Baloyi 😢" He maybe forgot" then comes up with written requests stories yhu yhu yhu Baloyi is the real fav ke sana!
.. L
Even Thursday these documents won't be available just because it's FAKE 😢
The requests are always done verbally now how come he wants a letter request. RATHA must be fair to both sides. He has to be neutral and not make it obvious that he stands with the state
Biased Judge how Baloyi forgets something that has been asked several times
Please judge you cannot answer on behalf of mr baloyi
I lost my confidence in the NPA when Their witness implicated a person not in the accused dock.
Baloyi and Ratha thinks that this is a joke. Friendship e ya bone is frustrating me.
Etena nna friendshinyana eo
In his presence they raised these issues and he does nothing , this judge is bias.
It's purely administrative. Judge should allow reasonable time for consulting and stuff. Yes! We want an expedited trial but not in a rushed manner. Judge should give all counsel time to prepare. Matter should have been postponed to Friday or even Monday
Did you notice how the judge stopped Mngomezulu from putting his grievances on record. Mngomezulu wants 2014 205's for the people who were in that Spaza house which are relevant to this case not this irrelevant nonsense that is being cooked. The judge diverted and now he wants written requests after all this time. We are being played for fools here.
Isile u jugde
Oh I'm with you there, the judge is a silver fox
Dont make it obviuos Judge Ratha that you stressing. This judge know the defence doens have these documents. Mnxm this judge is a joke
Mngomezulu uyalwa🤞🤞👍I like him
Iyooo the state really wastes time. How many years back then Ratha when you consulted on holidays? Why can’t the state bring all necessary documents that were used because they are legal
Baloyi is cooking them with Gininda
How many times defence lawyers wasted our time and Mngomezulu if he got bhabhalazi he doesn't show up 😢
@brianluthuli4662 You don't really watch the proceedings. You're one of those who comment based on snippets and rumors.
@@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637His new really in this case Baloyi did these ever since mngomezulu was not even there
Congratulations to the interpreter who got a better job 😆😆😆
This judge always wants to blame the defence, the prosecution admits he received receipt of the requested documents but he just wants to blame it on the defence advocates.This judge is not going to rule fairly. 😢
He has no shame saying Baloyi may have forgotten. How can Baloyi forget! Is this case not a priority! Yoh shlobo!
His judgment about the acceptance of the so called confession is bias. He ignored lot of inconsistency, contradictions and lies from Gininda and the company. This guy was hired by cover up syndicates to sentenced this five guys and Kelly will not be included
Defence got these documents last year on CD but because their laptops are outdated they can't open it, not to say it's new evidence
@@ThokoMashiane if we're being impartial it could also be that the disk was corrupted (on purpose) hence unable to open because it can't be that all their laptops are outdated, that would be a very alarming coincidence! don't you think.
@@MlondiMso they couldn’t inform them last year that the disc was corrupt?
They also don't know the name of the Kernel in 2014 Mngomezulu must remind them nonsense
It is really unfair Ntanzi and Sibiya were arrested in 2020 and denied bail but the state is yet to furnish Defence with all the documents.
Baloi ke Moloi guys
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tota
Last days he said adv.Mshololo should have flagged monthly that she hasn't been furnished with certain documents
Now the story has changed to letters 😢
Ubufakazi bakhona bunhlakanhlaka ,indaba yalama docket ayinqwaba kwi case eyodwa
What does the NPA have to say about the incompetence of the state prosecutor in this trial???? Unnecessary delays and irrelevant witnesses! Justice delayed is justice denied!
Nothing did you hear when Ratha mentioning Batoi I the knew she is involved#head of NPA
@@Mbali-ho6bw Yes he mentioned Batohi. She was the one that decided not to bring doc 375 to trial. She needs to get her act together. This trial is an embarrassment to our justice system! She is silent about this circus trial.
What the state prosecutor is doing is an insult to the people of South Africa and Ratha is busy covering the state prosecutor this shows exactly that they do consult before coming to court
I wish Adv Mngomezulu can stand up and finish his address. The judge disrupted..
This is not the document that are related to the 2014 case
This Trial will never be fair.....
Ratha don't protect your guy. He's a liar just like a lot of you. He hasn't forgotten anything. His lies catches up with him. By the way your jokes are boring
I have never seen such confusion from the state side. The coocking fif nit go well. Thats why there's confusion. The judge even went further to say Mr Baloyi firgot, shoooooo,,,, haikhona Ratha
Lets wait and see when evilvare persished
Hay Shem the judge cannot even hide it from defending the state.. I thought today was the day of handing over everything that was requested now.. he is asking the defence did you write a letter , maybe he forgot but the state did not say that.... Arrg 💔💔💔
I heard the judge critique them both but Nina Hai
@@thetad1242 what critique did the judge made against the state?
Ntanzi looks like he's lost a lot of weight. He looks drained, man. I find it very hard to even look at him. I wish i could make this right for him. Wafa umntanomfazi efela izono zabanye abantu
I saw him too,maye kininda ngeke alibone izulu 😢
💔💔💔
Kaxi kwenzakalani shame😢
Eish... He is not fine💔😢
He's drained by lying from the beginning of this case😂😂
Iyoooo I liked this interpreter he knows his story,what a big loose not having him anymore
Why is he going?
To those calling themselves Team Baloyi let me remind you that the world is watching this circus. The favorite in court isn't reprimanded if he causes delays but the judge always have something to say with the defence.
We are team Senzo.
If the 5 accused are guilty let it be.
We have very dumb team Senzo indeed@@thabangletsoalo585
guys those who have signed petitions, please complete the step by opening your email and select yes i have signed the petition. this si to verify and count your signature.
What is the petition for?
@@luciankuna6673 review of judge’ conduct in this trial
I have completed
@@Wisy_4 even verified from your email?
Which petition
The blame always goes to the defence.
Did you hear him say "Baloyi may have forgotten"...The look Mngomezulu's face is of utter shock and disgust
Why don't they ask in writing? Lazy defence
Thank you Mshololo you need it from service provider
Section 205 is still being Cooked
Lol defence wants raw section 205 and they will cry that can't see them imagine they are being simplified for them and they still couldn't read it .Baloyi went to simplify them further for the defence but still
Ratha a very incompetent Judge it shows that this is a promotion any fool Advocate can be a Judge there is no School for this his behavior is embarrassing
This is really unfair to the accused
How many years has the state had to get their act together😡
@@True_crime_justiceIt seems like they came to trial but they were not ready. They keep bringing evidence in trickles. So ABSA has now responded🙄🙄. Justice delayed is justice denied..Yoh!
Why is the state always late in giving the defense documents? Are they not prepared?
The state cannot provide these documents simply because everything was done illegally.
Judge m not happy about the way u conducted this case very unfar, u should reprimand Baloyi,they wasted our time😢
The state is delaying the case ...wy cnt thy replace adv baloyi n sibanda...
Guys let's make-up our minds to make affidavit to remove ratha to this case is our taxes money to get closure and for Meyiwas family I'm sick as if is my son please the state team is blind even mlambo ramphosa and mafias police i don't want to talk about cele so we must stand up tomorrow is your son or you pls pra for Adv Tefo and Ntazi they target
PETITION is the way to go against this Judge
He is undermining the defense and also allows Baloyi to cut Conners.
The winter be any justice in this case.
What is the duty of NPA or they too are promised envelopes?
This judge is something,today he is asking the defence is the have made a written request for information that they have been requesting from the defense in his presence
On top of that, everything is recorded.
And that's not the documents they should beg for, they should have been furnished with before the trial resumes.
All these requests are on record.
The judge is always protecting Baloyi.
Now we speaking about letters 😡
Documents are not being provided because they are still cooking them, same as the bank statements, this will never be FAIR trial, the judge i siding with state prosecutor, ive never seen such nonsense 😢😢😢
Lonto ujaji uyathanda ubiza abameli ngo hallo nxaa
It's the utmost DISRESPECT by this APARTHEID JUDGE, Mr 50yrs Experience
Nokujula izandla shows indelelo nokunyatsa....MxM
Isdina sodwa ngathi ukhuluma no mkakhe or ingane zakhe tjuuuu Bathong
Very rude lo jaji
It surprises me ukuthi some cannot see how disrespectful this judge is
Mngomezulu is quite correct all these tactics by the state and the judge will mount to unfair trail.
Furthermore the defense is getting tired of this and they are becoming badly on daily basis.
The Judge is not even ashamed he is doing whatever it takes to protect Baloyi
Why the judge diverting Mngomenzulu?....
Can we have people in power help us with the Gogo jaji🚮
Baloyi is such a time waster😢
The accused will go down 😭if the judge will be dis Bias.The Judge is representing the state
Thank you Mr Jonas and your voice will be solely missed
That's not Jonas Bt the other humbled guy .Jonas akayindawo😅
@@nomawethumqina3270 oh great and we wish him luck in his future endeavors. #Justice for Senzo
@@nomawethumqina3270aooh it was no Jonas?? but I cud sense that he feels for the accused wth this unfair trial
Sies!!! even the interpreter can see that this case is cooked and doesn't want to be part of this nonsense anymore. this is a disgrace. The so called judge is allowing Baloyi to mislead the court and to withhold important information from the defence, even when they keep on asking for the information. RATHA should step down as well.
He even thanked the accused 😢
@@noziphokhumalo6090 yes, that’s a clear indication that he was in this for justice. He gave up.
Nje
Ratha is the best judge ever I don't care what people thinks of him that's my own opinion
On behalf of the people: We also don't care what you think 😂. In our humble opinion ofcourse. 😅
Sithini lesilima
I agree of you he is the best for framing people that why they terminate his retirement. Look how he blames defense for Baloy's delays😂😂😂
@@nkanyisontuli714😅😅😅😅😅❤
@@nomusamasina3872😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Now the defence must write a letter to request each & every missing documents and the state must write back to confirm the receipt of the letter as well as the letter to confirm the provision of the outstanding docs. CIRCUS!!!😩🤧
Baloyi is always wasting time with his delay tactics
Baloi Baloi Baloi Baloi give the defence what they want
Baloyi enjoys protection from the judge and doesn’t care….nonsense judge really
The confusion that is in the South African courts is shocking 😮
Wemame Vaseline always coming to the rescue of his sidekick
They can play delay tactics but at the end they will face the mighty hand of the law.
These people are dragging this case. It’s one thing after the other . Either the lawyer is absent or documents are not ready . Like Really !!!!! 🤔
The judge is impartial and inconsistent
Baloyi can forget, defence must not forget. Mmhhh
Did you write a letter or was it verbal? Because maybe he has forgotten. 😅
Ntanzi should become state witness the rest are serving big heavy sentences except him.He is the first time offender .Should they be sentenced the looser will be Ntanzi only the rest have nothing to loose or win .Win or loose is the same
Ratha and Baloyi are busy digging their own graves one day is one day bazovuna abakulimayo
I dont hear anything wrong about what Ratha said yooh guys
It's ok not to,we won't all be smart😊
Yes you didn't thank The Judge😂😂😂😂😂
Ratha is answering for Baloi "maybe he forgot "
As the court pleases my Lord
This judge is conflicted. He is in the same league with the previous judge, though his style is different.
No court today guys Vaseline was the 1 who needed more time to "compile" his evidence as always 😂😂For a case they investigated in 2014 but yet new evidence is introduced always..as for Mr 1738 Ratata fusek
The Judge has interest in this case because he is a friend to Chicco
The tables are upside down Mr bolls 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Their food still need a lot of spices, that's why they don't stop cooking
Maybe he has forgotten Ratha defending baloi,the state started with the trial when investigations are not completed,baloi and gininda are cooking this case
Defense knows that the case is gone and now wants to kill the trial by accusing biasness and unfairness
Gone to where?
The numerous request are on record.
This trial is not fair to the accused
Was there fairness when they murdered other people?
Why he must thanks the judge? this madala he thinks he is smart nx
@peggyshabangu yes he looks tired too
Kodwake akusekude phambili besicela uChicco no Kelly kanye no brother inlaw kaSenzo koshayisana izitimela😂😂😂
Sekuseduze khona uma ijudge selithi mhlampe uBaloyi ukhohliwe😂😂
Patrick mthethwa is sergant not a colonel? Hear how baloyi wants to derail from what is needed, croock of this times
Mndeni wakaSenzo ngeke ukwazi ukusula lelicala elingayindawo
I wish ibinguJonas lo uhambayo,bendiyithanda letoliki,he is so talented 😂😂😂
Bendimthanda kakhulu ke lobaba .than uJonas ubuye aphaphe njengoRatha lowo
Nam kakhulu bengimthanda
Me too 😢
Why everyday new evidence new evidence what kind of case is this,I wonder if this is allowed in terms of law, hhay Lo Baloi ndini nobubi mnxim
This is a case study in law school
It has begun. My grandson had a story about Senzo and a few paragraphs about the case. They had to read and answer questions. This is already included in SA history
Don’t use this fake trail as case study or else you won’t get clients 😮
Does the judge care about the Meyiwa family's
Lo judge is shady 😮 What does he mean by, "You are all in the same boat... to China?"
Ningasiletheli utolika othithizayo please
Mshololo are yoiu ready for Zandi Khumalo she is coming again and this time she is ready to roast you, she will dress you down clear get ready, she is nononsense
Kahlekahle ubani owadubula uSenzo uLongwe noma uKelly or izigebengu ithini into ngempela