lets be honest, he probably has it in him already but just building up slowly since he hasnt touched conventional in a bit he has said on his IG though that he plans only 840-850 max because sumo is his main pull
@@headbandog7058 I see this sumo works your quads thing thrown around all the time, its totally wrong unless you're narrow sumo with really low hips. The sumo deadlift is primarily moved by the hips and hamstrings. 765@220 sumo deadlifter whose trained several 800+ lb sumo deadlifters.
@@dbzfanatic278 How long did you train it for? With sumo, you put yourself into a very unfamiliar position, while still being quite strong. It's a recipe for pain if you go hard off the bat, just like doing heavy dips too early. Unless you slowly build up from a lower weight, you can't really know if you're capable of doing it successfully or not.
you forgot to add that it’s been 5+ years since he last trained conventional and the way he’s progressing already, i wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gonna be doing a 900lbs single in 2 months
that dudes pull from the floor is nit exactly "slow" or "grindy," but once he gets to just below his knees, its already locked out. his speed is crazyyyyy!!
This is the thing. All the time we see high level sumo pullers still pulling massive numbers conventional. But you almost NEVER see a conventional puller pull high numbers on sumo. Why? Because sumo is more technical, so when sumo pullers switch, the lift becomes easier to do even if the ROM is increased. Sumo pullers can do both, but conventional pullers are limited to just one due to hip weakness and immobility. basically, pull sumo.
I don't think that's the takeaway you should have. You should pull which one you're better suited for and feels easier to lift more weight. These guys picked sumo to pull more weight and because it worked for their leverages, but if they were better at conventional they would have chosen it.
Conventional lifters lift conventional and that's It. Take Strongman for example, why would they train Sumo at all?. BTW Rauno Heinla, a conventional deadlifter is 1KG apart from his best sumo to his best conventional and he wants to pull something Big sumo just for the sake of it, just fucking around with It.
Congratulations for him on 370kg, he is currently 117,5kg from hes Sumo record will be really intressting to see IF he can hit same weight on Conventional and how long time it will take. But Lifting Vault i hope you keep us updated.
Because people don't understand how biomechanics work with respect to a high school level of physics. They think sumo is an easier movement and cheating because the ROM of the bar is less (even though the ROM around joints is nearly triple that of conventional). If people could use all 2 of their brain cells, they'd use one brain cell to pull conventional and the other brain cell to pull sumo. That alone would yield a third brain cell. Most people are sheep and get insecure from people stronger than them, especially if it's not conventional. I get tired of explaining why they're the same difficulty to idiots. Although you can argue sumo is a more difficult lift. If your feet aren't perfectly spaced, angled and with proper back tightness and bracing, it won't leave the ground. That can't be said about conventional. Not only is it way harder to get off the ground, but we still get stuck at the knees like conventional AND the lockout can be just as hard or harder depending on if you like shoulders over or behind the bar at the beginning.
Conventional builds the lockout better then any assistance . It’s pure triple extension . His sumo will benefit directly . He should push it in off season , save his hips. Amazing ! Don’t neglect the conventional! It builds better then anything
@@knightkill123 you forgot about the neck my friend ;) your lifting will improve once you’ve recognised this . This tells me you do not recruit maximally . The foot is automatic , leave it alone . Ankle extension… please
@@peeterl.2016 I'm talking about in powerlifting bro. Nobody would lift conventional and power lifting if sumo was easier. There are a lot of athletes that lift less in sumo than conventional. I am one of them. My hips don't open up far enough to nail a sumo stance properly. Many people can't due to how the femur connects to the hip. But go off
literally 260 lbs away from the other stance, that is mind boggling and shows how much of a mechanical advantage you get from being a smallish guy going ultra wide on a stupid kabuki bar... it is literally a freaking block pull at this point. I do not like seeing these 4 inches ROM deadlifts for a WR the exact same way I hate seeing all the Hyper-Arch 2 inch bench presses... it is OBVIOUSLY bullshit and there needs to be a rule to limit stance width in regard to your height or something like that so that ROM doesn't effectively disappear ffs (just like they are doing for bench going forward next year, and how there's a depth call on squats) oh and that Kabuki bar, who the fuck green-lit this absurdity? PL is a joke because of the amount of variation between comps and orgs, cant we just all agree on ONE descent dl bar and all just stick to that? also IPF stop it with the dumb-ass stiff-bar tho it goes the other way around too.
''Everyone'' I'm sorry mate but i see more people enjoying sumo than people hating on it. Even on the vote on the channel here you see how 76% has nothing against sumo. 54.435 votes total.
Please stop doing this sumo vs conventional fighting and provocative act with ur channel, it's really distasteful. People will have their own opinions.
@@farbeyonddriven8001 so he will be hitting 500kg soon then with some training. No chance because it’s a joke of a lift. He’s strong sure but not that level of strong.
It's not about experience but about your anatomy and leverages. My sumo can't even match my squat while my conventional is about 15% stronger than my max squat. I tried to switch to sumo but it was messing up my hips' joints.
@@rfn In my case it's all about anatomy. My left hip has limited mobility compared to my right hip (it's not a problem in every day situations). When I do sumo the weight itself forces my left hip to move beyond its natural range of motion. In other words... it's damaging my joint. Besides, I don't feel like sumo fits me. No matter of my stance I have to bent my knees to the extent where I technically do a squat.
He's a great deadlifter no doubt about that, but he is still 250+ off his sumo. People can argue all they want that he's only just started training conventional, but it's not the same as transitioning from conventional to sumo. Sumo has mobility and technical aspects that makes it take longer for conventional pullers to transition. Any sumo puller should be able to transition to conventional quite quickly because it is an easier lift to execute (but still a harder lift to pull weight with). You should be able to get a conventional deadlift form almost immediately, contrary to when you transition to sumo. Even if he continues with conventional training, he probably tops out around 900 without going up in strength for both stances. There continues to be the argument about whether sumo makes it easier to move weight or not, and all the evidence just continues to show that it is. Every single person on this channel so far used to prove sumo pullers are strong, still sees 10% or more gains from doing sumo.
Dont really understand why people freak out when a sumo deadlifter hits a conventional PR. Obviously it wont be near there sumo pr. Its like they are trying to prove sumo isn’t “cheating”….but then they still deadlift less when they do conventional.
Look at how much happier he is when he does the actual lift I'm glad that all these sumo pullers are starting to realize they are wasting their time trying to set a new world record in sumo no place do 600 kilos it's still a cheat lift and you know it is which is why it's not as satisfying I can't wait till they do to sumo what they did to that crazy 2 inch arched bench so I don't have to see a new record every day with froggy stance lol
@Heath that's what I was going to say about this guy until he actually did an actual lift I don't count sumo as an actual lift I'm assuming you do it's a cheat lift it only has between 30 to 60% range of motion depending upon how close you put your feet to the plates in my opinion is not a complete lift nor does it use the same muscle groups as a conventional or full range of motion deadlift. as far as I'm concerned it's pretty much a leg press, so however much you can leg press you can deadlift if you do sumo it doesn't use the back or posterior chain at all to do sumo, for that reason I don't call it a deadlift it's an accessory to deadlift or leg day that's about it. to be honest the rules in powerlifting have been so ridiculous that it's allowed crazy lifts like this and the archedbench 2-in lift which finally got taken out lol my only hope for the sport in the future is that they take out sumo as well so then you can't see 150 lb people deadlifting 700 lb which obviously they can only do sumo since it is a cheat lift. They will also get 100% range of motion on the lift making it a complete lift just as they're doing with the bench now just as with the squat where they go to depth, I feel like with a deadlift they should do the same obviously from that comment you don't feel the same but that's just how I feel there's nothing on this planet that everyone is going to agree on but I think we can all agree that 100% range of motion on a lift is more of a lift than 30 to 60% range of motion and is way more impressive nothing anyone can say could change that fact because they are just simply wrong LOL 🎯🙅🧢💯
Danny is an incredible deadlifter, i'm sure we will see a 400kg+ conventional deadlift from him soon
He is an incredible steroid abuser
lets be honest, he probably has it in him already but just building up slowly since he hasnt touched conventional in a bit
he has said on his IG though that he plans only 840-850 max because sumo is his main pull
For sure. Sumo is gonna hit quads a bit more and conventional is gonna hit back a bit more. Both will help each other
@@headbandog7058 I see this sumo works your quads thing thrown around all the time, its totally wrong unless you're narrow sumo with really low hips. The sumo deadlift is primarily moved by the hips and hamstrings.
765@220 sumo deadlifter whose trained several 800+ lb sumo deadlifters.
I think by not limiting yourself in one style, you strengthen another .
Sumo does not transfer well to conventional
The opposite can work
Not like weve seen Jamal or Cailer who primarily train sumo also pull 900+ conventional or anything.
Definitely no carryover
Nah i tried sumo and hurt myself. switched back to conventional and no pain ever again. 5'10" with long arms. some of us arent built for sumo
@@amrsa2091 video says otherwise
@@dbzfanatic278 How long did you train it for? With sumo, you put yourself into a very unfamiliar position, while still being quite strong. It's a recipe for pain if you go hard off the bat, just like doing heavy dips too early. Unless you slowly build up from a lower weight, you can't really know if you're capable of doing it successfully or not.
I love how he always smiles when he is pushing a heavy deadlift
you forgot to add that it’s been 5+ years since he last trained conventional and the way he’s progressing already, i wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gonna be doing a 900lbs single in 2 months
cope
his deadlift face is so happy lol
His form with conventional looks flawless.
900+ with a peak
that dudes pull from the floor is nit exactly "slow" or "grindy," but once he gets to just below his knees, its already locked out. his speed is crazyyyyy!!
He doesnt ever rip it off the floor. He just pulls smoothly
The guy has a good deadlifting anatomy.
Danny is one of the nicest guys around, hard not to root for him!
Heard a fun interview of Dan on the Massenomics podcast, they have had all the top powerlifters and strongmen 340 episodes and counting
I believe he can reach 420 kg in the conventional, I hope this will come true
blaze it
Man is strong however he pulls
This is the thing. All the time we see high level sumo pullers still pulling massive numbers conventional. But you almost NEVER see a conventional puller pull high numbers on sumo. Why? Because sumo is more technical, so when sumo pullers switch, the lift becomes easier to do even if the ROM is increased. Sumo pullers can do both, but conventional pullers are limited to just one due to hip weakness and immobility. basically, pull sumo.
I don't think that's the takeaway you should have. You should pull which one you're better suited for and feels easier to lift more weight. These guys picked sumo to pull more weight and because it worked for their leverages, but if they were better at conventional they would have chosen it.
Conventional lifters lift conventional and that's It. Take Strongman for example, why would they train Sumo at all?. BTW Rauno Heinla, a conventional deadlifter is 1KG apart from his best sumo to his best conventional and he wants to pull something Big sumo just for the sake of it, just fucking around with It.
Only women should pull Sumo.
Congratulations for him on 370kg, he is currently 117,5kg from hes Sumo record will be really intressting to see IF he can hit same weight on Conventional and how long time it will take.
But Lifting Vault i hope you keep us updated.
I doubt he will ever push for a 1 rep max on conv dead cos he doesn't go to that level during training
He cant, just because he has better leverages for sumo
Nope
His grip is incredible regardless of stance. How many people in the world can dl 500 kg without straps regardless of stance?
@@Asiansxsymbol When did he deadlift 500kg?
He is Armstrong from metal gear rising
Yes, Kabuki Sumo adds ~20%
yo but only Kabuki noodle sumo, my sumo is exactly the same as my conventional on a stiff bar. maybe 5 - 10 kg difference
Julius lankila lifted unofficial deadlift wr in the 17year olds. He lifted 318kg
Check the bar to see if he squeezed indentations into it.
Both hands are overhand grip too?
Legs are insane
why is there "sumo world record holder" instead of "All time RAW world record holder" ?
bait the dweebs
Because people don't understand how biomechanics work with respect to a high school level of physics. They think sumo is an easier movement and cheating because the ROM of the bar is less (even though the ROM around joints is nearly triple that of conventional).
If people could use all 2 of their brain cells, they'd use one brain cell to pull conventional and the other brain cell to pull sumo. That alone would yield a third brain cell. Most people are sheep and get insecure from people stronger than them, especially if it's not conventional. I get tired of explaining why they're the same difficulty to idiots. Although you can argue sumo is a more difficult lift. If your feet aren't perfectly spaced, angled and with proper back tightness and bracing, it won't leave the ground. That can't be said about conventional. Not only is it way harder to get off the ground, but we still get stuck at the knees like conventional AND the lockout can be just as hard or harder depending on if you like shoulders over or behind the bar at the beginning.
@@thejourneyman8890 bEcUz pHySiCs
@@thejourneyman8890 then go beyond childrens physics to understand that conventional is far more challenging
@@soonahero and far more for people who have gross motor skills.
dude, those are some long arms... that's peak DL genetics
what brand of shoes does he wear?
Now he's Deadlifting! Awesome 370 there!
Does anyone know a lifter with more grip strength than Danny here?
Conventional builds the lockout better then any assistance . It’s pure triple extension .
His sumo will benefit directly .
He should push it in off season , save his hips. Amazing !
Don’t neglect the conventional! It builds better then anything
For me better for lockout is stiff leg/romanian deadlift
Do u even know what triple extension is lol
@@Kus519 knee hip neck .
@@hansneggs ankles, knees & hips actually......
@@knightkill123 you forgot about the neck my friend ;)
your lifting will improve once you’ve recognised this . This tells me you do not recruit maximally .
The foot is automatic , leave it alone .
Ankle extension… please
people are getting stronger day by day
Seems like he uses quads more during Deadlift than Hamstrings.
That really didn’t look to hard he’s got 900 pretty soon
He's built to DEADLIFT
all these ppl hitting prs with little to no effort. Meanwhile i almost die when i hit a pr
Who knew conventional requires a longer ROM. I sure as hell didn't.........
Why does bro smile when he is deadlifting lol. I am red as a tomato and have a look of murder on my face.
Julius Lankila deadlifted 318kg very recently, like couple days ago. Its an unofficial world record, i think he deserves getting featured here
bros 5'3💀
how much do i have to pull at 17yo for you to feature me? :D
The bar.
200 kg maybe would be good at 17 to be featured. Just my opinion.
@@Nirsterkur i did 318kg
@@punttijulle Incredible! You must contact him.
@@Nirsterkur 🤘🤘
Tree hundred and seventy is cool. Only 258 pounds away.
Tren harder! Deadlift goes up
@David A 😁
Still someone saying sumo is harder than conventional ?
For some people it is, otherwise everyone would pull sumo
@@mrdune5479 Strongman doesn't allow sumo. And strength wise sumo is easier, nothing to argue over it.
@@peeterl.2016 I'm talking about in powerlifting bro. Nobody would lift conventional and power lifting if sumo was easier. There are a lot of athletes that lift less in sumo than conventional. I am one of them. My hips don't open up far enough to nail a sumo stance properly. Many people can't due to how the femur connects to the hip. But go off
@@mrdune5479 not everyone’s a cheater. Even if sumo is better for all, some would pull conventional
This looks easy
Even if he pulls 881, that is literally 200 pounds less than his sumo. But sumo isn’t easier? Lol.
He has incredible grip. Both stances require incredible grip to lift heavy.
It's hook grip.
@@EVO6- no shit! I really thought he was pulling 400 kg+ double overhand
Meeeeh, Still flexible bar.
literally 260 lbs away from the other stance, that is mind boggling and shows how much of a mechanical advantage you get from being a smallish guy going ultra wide on a stupid kabuki bar... it is literally a freaking block pull at this point. I do not like seeing these 4 inches ROM deadlifts for a WR the exact same way I hate seeing all the Hyper-Arch 2 inch bench presses... it is OBVIOUSLY bullshit and there needs to be a rule to limit stance width in regard to your height or something like that so that ROM doesn't effectively disappear ffs (just like they are doing for bench going forward next year, and how there's a depth call on squats) oh and that Kabuki bar, who the fuck green-lit this absurdity? PL is a joke because of the amount of variation between comps and orgs, cant we just all agree on ONE descent dl bar and all just stick to that? also IPF stop it with the dumb-ass stiff-bar tho it goes the other way around too.
His left quad is lower than his kneecap. Just his genetics to wear shorts is amazing.
Just noticed that!
Yeah, it's not.
he went from beta to male
everybody has the right of change for the better
This is why everyone hates sumo. There's more than a 200lb discrepancy between sumo and his deadlift
''Everyone''
I'm sorry mate but i see more people enjoying sumo than people hating on it. Even on the vote on the channel here you see how 76% has nothing against sumo. 54.435 votes total.
Bro hasn't lifted conv in years and hes just casually pulling 800s. Keep being mad he lifts more than your dream total 💀
370kg double overhand..
Please stop doing this sumo vs conventional fighting and provocative act with ur channel, it's really distasteful. People will have their own opinions.
Honestly, I just watched the video again and I don't see anything provocative in the video or title
No where near his sumo. Shows how much of a joke sumo is.
Tell that to his face, your comment is a joke
That's because he doesn't train it. Even Eddie Hall stated himself that he can't pull more with sumo.
you are the only joke here
@@farbeyonddriven8001 so he will be hitting 500kg soon then with some training. No chance because it’s a joke of a lift. He’s strong sure but not that level of strong.
@@farbeyonddriven8001 Eddie, maybe, can't, but most people can. Conventional is a brute force test, so doesn't require much specific training.
That’s crazy that he’s natural
Joke?
he will struggle to go beyond low 400s, shows you sumo is around 100lb-200lb benefit depending on the experience of the lifter
It's not about experience but about your anatomy and leverages. My sumo can't even match my squat while my conventional is about 15% stronger than my max squat. I tried to switch to sumo but it was messing up my hips' joints.
its his first conventional pull after 6 years of not training it smooth brain
@@dctPL just takes some time to get used too. You cant switch either way and exspect to pull the same instantly.
If sumo was easier for everybody then nobody would lift conventional...
@@rfn In my case it's all about anatomy. My left hip has limited mobility compared to my right hip (it's not a problem in every day situations). When I do sumo the weight itself forces my left hip to move beyond its natural range of motion. In other words... it's damaging my joint. Besides, I don't feel like sumo fits me. No matter of my stance I have to bent my knees to the extent where I technically do a squat.
He's a great deadlifter no doubt about that, but he is still 250+ off his sumo. People can argue all they want that he's only just started training conventional, but it's not the same as transitioning from conventional to sumo. Sumo has mobility and technical aspects that makes it take longer for conventional pullers to transition. Any sumo puller should be able to transition to conventional quite quickly because it is an easier lift to execute (but still a harder lift to pull weight with). You should be able to get a conventional deadlift form almost immediately, contrary to when you transition to sumo. Even if he continues with conventional training, he probably tops out around 900 without going up in strength for both stances. There continues to be the argument about whether sumo makes it easier to move weight or not, and all the evidence just continues to show that it is. Every single person on this channel so far used to prove sumo pullers are strong, still sees 10% or more gains from doing sumo.
Even if he pulls 400kg conventional, that's a 90kg difference! Sumo is just fake!
are you that delusional? this is his first conventional in 5 years.
@@saraxx6132 did you bring your rattle with all that crying CLOWN baby
Dont really understand why people freak out when a sumo deadlifter hits a conventional PR. Obviously it wont be near there sumo pr. Its like they are trying to prove sumo isn’t “cheating”….but then they still deadlift less when they do conventional.
Mate, these are world class athletes, not youtube commenters.
Nothing Danny does is done trying to prove anyone wrong.
@@gitnjur he’s referring to the channel owner
@@gitnjur
Idiot. I was referring to the channel like the other guy said. Obviously danny doesnt care.
Look at how much happier he is when he does the actual lift I'm glad that all these sumo pullers are starting to realize they are wasting their time trying to set a new world record in sumo no place do 600 kilos it's still a cheat lift and you know it is which is why it's not as satisfying I can't wait till they do to sumo what they did to that crazy 2 inch arched bench so I don't have to see a new record every day with froggy stance lol
You are a noob lifter, clearly.
@Heath that's what I was going to say about this guy until he actually did an actual lift I don't count sumo as an actual lift I'm assuming you do it's a cheat lift it only has between 30 to 60% range of motion depending upon how close you put your feet to the plates in my opinion is not a complete lift nor does it use the same muscle groups as a conventional or full range of motion deadlift. as far as I'm concerned it's pretty much a leg press, so however much you can leg press you can deadlift if you do sumo it doesn't use the back or posterior chain at all to do sumo, for that reason I don't call it a deadlift it's an accessory to deadlift or leg day that's about it. to be honest the rules in powerlifting have been so ridiculous that it's allowed crazy lifts like this and the archedbench 2-in lift which finally got taken out lol my only hope for the sport in the future is that they take out sumo as well so then you can't see 150 lb people deadlifting 700 lb which obviously they can only do sumo since it is a cheat lift. They will also get 100% range of motion on the lift making it a complete lift just as they're doing with the bench now just as with the squat where they go to depth, I feel like with a deadlift they should do the same obviously from that comment you don't feel the same but that's just how I feel there's nothing on this planet that everyone is going to agree on but I think we can all agree that 100% range of motion on a lift is more of a lift than 30 to 60% range of motion and is way more impressive nothing anyone can say could change that fact because they are just simply wrong LOL 🎯🙅🧢💯
He'll never get close to his sumo numbers, conventional is simply harder because of the increases distance you have to move the weight.
That is @kubaki
so its settled, sumo can add up to 100kg +.
Or it can lower your lift. Depends on the person
he forgot to add that this is his first time training conventional in 5+ years