I always thought so. I mean I don´t believe he could do such a thing. And on Malachor he doesn´t explode. The HK50s can explode but not to that extend.
GOTO is such an interesting character. He's a Droid, but his motives are far more grandiose and thought provoking than any other droid you see in Star Wars. It's actually refreshing to see such a multifaceted schemer in a game all about questioning everything you know about The Jedi, The Sith, the Republic, and everything in between.
G0-T0 is not malicious, but he is pragmatic to the point of sociopathy. His perspective is not an organic's; He will calculate what will offer the best outcome, according to his programming, which will sometimes bring positive immediate results, but more often will see strife with direction until his calculations pan out. As he says, he is programmed to care about the Republic, as frustrating as he finds it. It does not mean he has to care about the lives of every individual - or, indeed, *any* individual - within it. If he is perceived as cruel, it is a cruelty without spite. He just does what he works out to be necessary.
This video is invaluable to me in my own research. Excellent work. It makes me wonder: if this was Goto’s plan, would it have abandoned it in favor of letting the Exile stabilize the galaxy?
I believe so. Preserving the Republic could also mean preserving the political structure of the Republic. But then again, G0-T0 wouldn't mind the Sith taking control either. So perhaps his programming only preserves the name, the designation. But if it's the former then it would make sense that this is a last resort and it might not be intended to last forever.
@@PapitoQinn Could also be that the goal isn't to preserve the exact structures nor the name, but rather the position that is taken by the republic, a unifying force to ensure relative peace and unity in the galaxy.
This is the KOTOR 2 lore fix I need, straight into my veins. Your videos are superb. Did you record the foorage of GO-T0 snooping around the HK factory yourself? Or is that hidden in the game somewhere
A quick note on the end of the video-of course there are examples of a benevolent dictator, or at least those who become necessary ones for the benefit of the country. Turkey’s Ataturk is an example. However as a society we cannot depend on such people-we must look to ourselves to improve collectively. This is why republics and democracies must be maintained. Constantly looking for a savior or great leader in this herd mentality leads to stagnation and a very malevolent dictator using this weakness as an opportunity to gain power.
Dictatorships are objectively better during a crisis. There are fewer people arguing about what should be done as that decision is restricted to the dictator. So it's not at all surprising that G0-T0 would have considered taking over the republic and turning it into a much more stable and responsive system of governance as a last resort.
Since I never took the time to visit the droid planet this is an intriguing conversation to me. If G0-T0 were to succeed in the ending of the game I wonder how it would have panned out. I wasn't aware that he was the one controlling the HK-50s since I never went to the droid planet but it puts a whole new perspective on the game.
It could also be that G0T0 is hunting down force users so he can find Revan since he also knows about the HK factory and could mess up G0T0's plans. His information war isn't full-proof if someone out there knows what he's doing.
@@PapitoQinn both of you could be correct, for the most part, at the same time. G0T0 could be hunting force users down in hopes he could find Revan… to bring him back to lead.
Nice vid. I think Pedro of Brazil is an ideal example of a benevolent dictator. Marcus Aurelius another. The problem is more likely you get a bad roll of the dice. A Nero, a caligula, stalin. Great men who are qualified to manage the world are always in short supply and even less in positions of power.
Thank you and yes, that's where I tend to lean towards as well. The likelihood that you will get a benevolent dictator is so miniscule that it's largely best avoided.
The philosophical part you had there, near the end... that's actually a very interesting discussion to have, really. History's full of examples concerning dictatorships and republics. Parts of a whole without any unity. This whole video in general was a very interesting turn from some of your usual stuff. I'm looking forward to the next video with great interest.
I utterly disagree with this entire theory (or rather, combo of theories), and would likewise point out that it is logistically impossible for the factory to be on Telos (for an ironic reason). This isn't just because Telos military base was one of the parts of the game finished early on in KotOR 2's development (meaning the HK Factory would have been on the planet in the original game had it been intended to be there), but also because the timelines do not add up - the HK-50 droids were active before G0-T0 went rogue (the droids have been hunting for apparently the last 5 years, while G0-T0 only went rogue within the last year). Further, Telos was under Republic control after Malak's bombardment - there was never a chance for Revan to make nor reconfigure the military bases there. For the logistic issue of Telos: the military base you are in has a broken HK-50 there, yes. However, if it was the factory, the reactor would have already been active when the Exile got there (since it was already producing HK-50 units before the Exile got there); further, if it WERE the HK-50 Factory, they would have been swarming us en-masse before we reached the shuttle (rather than somehow arriving "too late", despite - going by this theory - them literally being just any number of floors below where the players were on top of presumably having control over the facility's functions). For my own theory (and headcanon), I point to the cut droid planet M4-78. There is the only place I could see the HK-50 planet existing, as it would explain why no one knew where the HK-50 units were being created nor where they were getting their resources and advanced equipment. This planet, going from what has been recovered of it, was supposed to be an artificial planet created by the Rakata or one of their rivals (possibly as some sort of prototype, sufficient Star Forge that didn't need the Force). I'd hold that Revan, given that he didn't want to use the Star Forge to its fullest because of its corrupting effects, had looked for an alternative during his time as the dark lord and found it in M4-78 - he was said to have a special affinity for machines after all, and what better factory than one that could sustain itself and keep itself secret, obeying your orders flawlessly? He'd have given the planet's droids the order to construct the HK Factory, to make lesser, disposable versions of his lost HK-47 droid in order to undermine the Republic and reduce the casualties of his troops on top of overwhelming enemy forces. Unfortunately, he was never able to set it up to do anything other than begin production, as the Jedi crippled & captured him not long after (leading to KotOR 1). Malak nor any Sith would have known, as Darth Revan would have kept it as one of his many secrets (especially considering how Malak hated his HK-47 droid). How would it have been activated again? Not by G0-T0 (though he'd likely be trying to find where they were produced), but by Atris (who was the historian studying the Mandalorian & Jedi Civil Wars to try and end the failures of the Jedi teachings, and would have found the oddities in Revan's travels before G0-T0 would have had the chance - especially with the help of the Force). She did have the mindset of a Sith, whether she liked it or not, and I can see her giving the droids the direction to kill or capture Force users as a test (both to try & hunt the Sith as well as use the logic of "no true Jedi would fall to a droid"). As for G0-T0, I actually believe he wants the Republic to fall, so that he is no longer bound to serve it. He is openly disgusted with the Republic, "liking" it only because his programming forces him to like it. He is to the Republic what Kreia is to the Force - an agent under its control that wants to be free of it, and will twist the idea of "saving" it to try & achieve that. G0-T0 will do whatever it takes to stop people from saving the Republic - prevent fuel from getting to Telos, justifying it as preventing long-term damage by the hutts; prevent the Exile from stopping the Sith by allowing some weak language in the bounty to convince people that killing her would suffice for the reward, and when that fails he tries to keep her trapped on his ship so that she can't continue her journey; finally (perhaps after figuring out some of the Force stuff on a basic level), trying to keep Malachor V intact so that its echo could deafen the Jedi & the Sith (silencing the 'annoying religious branches' & making it so there isn't something outside of his ability to detect - if that meant most living beings were going to die, oh well. That'd just mean less paperwork). He'd kill the Republic if he could, his programming just prevents him from doing it directly. That, I'd say, is why he works with the HK-50s, and why the HK-50 on Peragus didn't simply take you back to Nar Shadaa on the Ebon Hawk before you awoke - he was just trying to keep you there until you died. After all, the HK droids can lie & misdirect as well.
Your last point about how G0-T0 might loath the Republic like Kreia loaths the Force is excellent. Especially given Hanharr further helps make that a central theme in KotOR2.
This always seemed very likely to me. I felt like g0t0's story was dropped in favor of giving other characters little slices of the limelight in the final act.
I haven't watched the video yet, but could you please do a video on Dantooine's settlers vs. mercenaries? Azkul, the leader of the mercenaries, was an agent of the Exchange, but the Exchange's boss is none other than G0-T0 himself, so why would he order the destabilization of an entire planet by killing the Administrator who was a supporter of the Republic? Or maybe Dantooine never mattered to G0-T0/The Exchange at all, and they were only there to capture Jedi, and Azkul just happened to attack the settlers there? That thing never made that much sense to me. 😅
I could try looking into that. I could simply be that G0-T0 suspected that Jedi would return to Dantooine and so wants a presence to capture them. Force users, like I said in the video you haven't seen yet, are far too unpredictable for G0-T0. So much so that losing Dantooine is well worth it. Considering what Dantooine has, it's not that big a boon to the Republic's economy. But I'll see what I can do. If you've seen the video now, what did you think?
Yes, I watched the video now, and I think G0-T0's plan was too simplistic. Why would you need to incite war in Republic-friendly worlds if they're peaceful and prosperous worlds? Sure, war can bring profit short-term, but long-term the stabilization of the economy is more beneficial, as there are actual workers that facilitate production in factories/jobs. If they die in a war, they obviously can't... Then again, maybe it was the only way to lessen the burden of the Republic by making worlds detach from its ecosystem. It still sounds brutal tho, and needs thorough research on the planet before attempting something like this IMO. And now I don't trust droids, and IRL you made me doubt the current trends of using A.I. 😅 Who knows what their real purpose and agendas are, only the creator knows, while we are left in the dark. Btw, G0-T0 still rewards you for stabilizing Dantooine, and I don't think he gives it by the nature of his good heart lol. But Dantooine was never a strategic importance by G0-T0's calculations, that's for sure.
@@GK-dw1fo Because G0-T0 wants the Republic to crash & burn. His programming just doesn't let him do anything in opposition to it directly/'intentionally'.
For me the factory is part of the game. Doesn´t matter for me what they did and I´m completely NOT interested in TOR. What game is this anyway... 😎 Before I saw the end did I hear it right that there was Deus Ex music in the background?
@@PapitoQinn He's always picking on poor little remote. That, and he's fat. Oh yeah and there's the whole kidnapping me against my will thing. But mostly the first two.
G0-T0's threat to blow up the Ebon Hawk with a proton bomb in its chassis is obviously a bluff now. Maybe he got the idea for it from the HK-50s.
He might have. His entire bluff relies *highly* on the facade of Goto being an organic.
I always thought so. I mean I don´t believe he could do such a thing. And on Malachor he doesn´t explode.
The HK50s can explode but not to that extend.
GOTO is such an interesting character. He's a Droid, but his motives are far more grandiose and thought provoking than any other droid you see in Star Wars. It's actually refreshing to see such a multifaceted schemer in a game all about questioning everything you know about The Jedi, The Sith, the Republic, and everything in between.
G0-T0 is not malicious, but he is pragmatic to the point of sociopathy. His perspective is not an organic's; He will calculate what will offer the best outcome, according to his programming, which will sometimes bring positive immediate results, but more often will see strife with direction until his calculations pan out.
As he says, he is programmed to care about the Republic, as frustrating as he finds it. It does not mean he has to care about the lives of every individual - or, indeed, *any* individual - within it.
If he is perceived as cruel, it is a cruelty without spite. He just does what he works out to be necessary.
GO-TO actually made an tactical error that he didn't see until HK-47 brought two or three to malachor 5 and confronted him.
This video is invaluable to me in my own research. Excellent work. It makes me wonder: if this was Goto’s plan, would it have abandoned it in favor of letting the Exile stabilize the galaxy?
I believe so. Preserving the Republic could also mean preserving the political structure of the Republic. But then again, G0-T0 wouldn't mind the Sith taking control either. So perhaps his programming only preserves the name, the designation. But if it's the former then it would make sense that this is a last resort and it might not be intended to last forever.
@@PapitoQinn Could also be that the goal isn't to preserve the exact structures nor the name, but rather the position that is taken by the republic, a unifying force to ensure relative peace and unity in the galaxy.
I definitely like the more philosophical turn this video took. Brilliant video! Keep at it!
Thank you. Keep supporting me and I will keep at it.
Tie to Deus Ex was also very insightful. Looking forward to more videos
This is the KOTOR 2 lore fix I need, straight into my veins. Your videos are superb.
Did you record the foorage of GO-T0 snooping around the HK factory yourself? Or is that hidden in the game somewhere
I recorded those myself, yes. The one with Revan too. I use the save editor to switch character's appearance.
@@PapitoQinn really adds to the videos, I love it, please keep making content
@@vanillachinchilla1858 I will as long as I'm supported for it.
A quick note on the end of the video-of course there are examples of a benevolent dictator, or at least those who become necessary ones for the benefit of the country. Turkey’s Ataturk is an example. However as a society we cannot depend on such people-we must look to ourselves to improve collectively. This is why republics and democracies must be maintained. Constantly looking for a savior or great leader in this herd mentality leads to stagnation and a very malevolent dictator using this weakness as an opportunity to gain power.
Would be fun to see the HK factory line video.
Also would be interesting to see a what if GOTO Succeeded.
I'll have it out by Friday.
Dictatorships are objectively better during a crisis. There are fewer people arguing about what should be done as that decision is restricted to the dictator. So it's not at all surprising that G0-T0 would have considered taking over the republic and turning it into a much more stable and responsive system of governance as a last resort.
Since I never took the time to visit the droid planet this is an intriguing conversation to me. If G0-T0 were to succeed in the ending of the game I wonder how it would have panned out. I wasn't aware that he was the one controlling the HK-50s since I never went to the droid planet but it puts a whole new perspective on the game.
You don't have to go to the droid planet. I never went there either. The factory is on Telos.
@@PapitoQinn You should have. And also make video about it :)
Yo these videos are fire papito.
The fact that the narrative in these games is so deep continues to astound.
Enjoyed the tie to new Vegas, great observations overall.
It could also be that G0T0 is hunting down force users so he can find Revan since he also knows about the HK factory and could mess up G0T0's plans. His information war isn't full-proof if someone out there knows what he's doing.
Based on what he says about Revan would lead me to believe that he would want Revan to return and take control of the Republic.
@@PapitoQinn both of you could be correct, for the most part, at the same time. G0T0 could be hunting force users down in hopes he could find Revan… to bring him back to lead.
Nice vid. I think Pedro of Brazil is an ideal example of a benevolent dictator. Marcus Aurelius another. The problem is more likely you get a bad roll of the dice. A Nero, a caligula, stalin. Great men who are qualified to manage the world are always in short supply and even less in positions of power.
Thank you and yes, that's where I tend to lean towards as well. The likelihood that you will get a benevolent dictator is so miniscule that it's largely best avoided.
Good video. GO-TO is pretty overlooked;.
Also a good amount of "Delfa!" in this video. Can never have too much of the good old Ithroian "Delfa!"
See, to my ears it's "Gilfa"
@@PapitoQinn Huh, you're right, it does sound like "Gilfa". I dread any Dark Side Ithorian unleashing the power of an angry "Gilfa"
The philosophical part you had there, near the end... that's actually a very interesting discussion to have, really. History's full of examples concerning dictatorships and republics. Parts of a whole without any unity.
This whole video in general was a very interesting turn from some of your usual stuff. I'm looking forward to the next video with great interest.
I utterly disagree with this entire theory (or rather, combo of theories), and would likewise point out that it is logistically impossible for the factory to be on Telos (for an ironic reason). This isn't just because Telos military base was one of the parts of the game finished early on in KotOR 2's development (meaning the HK Factory would have been on the planet in the original game had it been intended to be there), but also because the timelines do not add up - the HK-50 droids were active before G0-T0 went rogue (the droids have been hunting for apparently the last 5 years, while G0-T0 only went rogue within the last year). Further, Telos was under Republic control after Malak's bombardment - there was never a chance for Revan to make nor reconfigure the military bases there.
For the logistic issue of Telos: the military base you are in has a broken HK-50 there, yes. However, if it was the factory, the reactor would have already been active when the Exile got there (since it was already producing HK-50 units before the Exile got there); further, if it WERE the HK-50 Factory, they would have been swarming us en-masse before we reached the shuttle (rather than somehow arriving "too late", despite - going by this theory - them literally being just any number of floors below where the players were on top of presumably having control over the facility's functions).
For my own theory (and headcanon), I point to the cut droid planet M4-78. There is the only place I could see the HK-50 planet existing, as it would explain why no one knew where the HK-50 units were being created nor where they were getting their resources and advanced equipment. This planet, going from what has been recovered of it, was supposed to be an artificial planet created by the Rakata or one of their rivals (possibly as some sort of prototype, sufficient Star Forge that didn't need the Force).
I'd hold that Revan, given that he didn't want to use the Star Forge to its fullest because of its corrupting effects, had looked for an alternative during his time as the dark lord and found it in M4-78 - he was said to have a special affinity for machines after all, and what better factory than one that could sustain itself and keep itself secret, obeying your orders flawlessly? He'd have given the planet's droids the order to construct the HK Factory, to make lesser, disposable versions of his lost HK-47 droid in order to undermine the Republic and reduce the casualties of his troops on top of overwhelming enemy forces. Unfortunately, he was never able to set it up to do anything other than begin production, as the Jedi crippled & captured him not long after (leading to KotOR 1). Malak nor any Sith would have known, as Darth Revan would have kept it as one of his many secrets (especially considering how Malak hated his HK-47 droid).
How would it have been activated again? Not by G0-T0 (though he'd likely be trying to find where they were produced), but by Atris (who was the historian studying the Mandalorian & Jedi Civil Wars to try and end the failures of the Jedi teachings, and would have found the oddities in Revan's travels before G0-T0 would have had the chance - especially with the help of the Force). She did have the mindset of a Sith, whether she liked it or not, and I can see her giving the droids the direction to kill or capture Force users as a test (both to try & hunt the Sith as well as use the logic of "no true Jedi would fall to a droid").
As for G0-T0, I actually believe he wants the Republic to fall, so that he is no longer bound to serve it. He is openly disgusted with the Republic, "liking" it only because his programming forces him to like it. He is to the Republic what Kreia is to the Force - an agent under its control that wants to be free of it, and will twist the idea of "saving" it to try & achieve that. G0-T0 will do whatever it takes to stop people from saving the Republic - prevent fuel from getting to Telos, justifying it as preventing long-term damage by the hutts; prevent the Exile from stopping the Sith by allowing some weak language in the bounty to convince people that killing her would suffice for the reward, and when that fails he tries to keep her trapped on his ship so that she can't continue her journey; finally (perhaps after figuring out some of the Force stuff on a basic level), trying to keep Malachor V intact so that its echo could deafen the Jedi & the Sith (silencing the 'annoying religious branches' & making it so there isn't something outside of his ability to detect - if that meant most living beings were going to die, oh well. That'd just mean less paperwork). He'd kill the Republic if he could, his programming just prevents him from doing it directly. That, I'd say, is why he works with the HK-50s, and why the HK-50 on Peragus didn't simply take you back to Nar Shadaa on the Ebon Hawk before you awoke - he was just trying to keep you there until you died. After all, the HK droids can lie & misdirect as well.
Your last point about how G0-T0 might loath the Republic like Kreia loaths the Force is excellent. Especially given Hanharr further helps make that a central theme in KotOR2.
This always seemed very likely to me. I felt like g0t0's story was dropped in favor of giving other characters little slices of the limelight in the final act.
I haven't watched the video yet, but could you please do a video on Dantooine's settlers vs. mercenaries?
Azkul, the leader of the mercenaries, was an agent of the Exchange, but the Exchange's boss is none other than G0-T0 himself, so why would he order the destabilization of an entire planet by killing the Administrator who was a supporter of the Republic? Or maybe Dantooine never mattered to G0-T0/The Exchange at all, and they were only there to capture Jedi, and Azkul just happened to attack the settlers there?
That thing never made that much sense to me. 😅
I could try looking into that. I could simply be that G0-T0 suspected that Jedi would return to Dantooine and so wants a presence to capture them. Force users, like I said in the video you haven't seen yet, are far too unpredictable for G0-T0. So much so that losing Dantooine is well worth it. Considering what Dantooine has, it's not that big a boon to the Republic's economy. But I'll see what I can do. If you've seen the video now, what did you think?
Yes, I watched the video now, and I think G0-T0's plan was too simplistic.
Why would you need to incite war in Republic-friendly worlds if they're peaceful and prosperous worlds? Sure, war can bring profit short-term, but long-term the stabilization of the economy is more beneficial, as there are actual workers that facilitate production in factories/jobs. If they die in a war, they obviously can't... Then again, maybe it was the only way to lessen the burden of the Republic by making worlds detach from its ecosystem. It still sounds brutal tho, and needs thorough research on the planet before attempting something like this IMO.
And now I don't trust droids, and IRL you made me doubt the current trends of using A.I. 😅 Who knows what their real purpose and agendas are, only the creator knows, while we are left in the dark.
Btw, G0-T0 still rewards you for stabilizing Dantooine, and I don't think he gives it by the nature of his good heart lol. But Dantooine was never a strategic importance by G0-T0's calculations, that's for sure.
@@GK-dw1fo
Because G0-T0 wants the Republic to crash & burn. His programming just doesn't let him do anything in opposition to it directly/'intentionally'.
Great vid!
Thank you very much! I mean that for both the compliment and the tip!
I do love the deus ex ambience music
In a nutshell, necessity, in Revan's eyes, knows no laws and bounds.
By the way, am I hearing the Deus Ex: Human Revolution OST on the background?
I used one track from Human Revolution. The rest are from Deus Ex Mankind Divided. But hey, close enough.
Yes, more theories!!
4:40 I never really understood this scene. Why did Kreia just randomly walk up to T3 and electrocute him?
I never understood that either
Papito I have a question but it has nothing to do with the video .What did Kreia mean when she said she held the galaxy by its throat?
She meant that she was in a position of immense manipulative power. Any scenario she could think up, she could have made reality.
@@PapitoQinn okay , thanks for the answer ☺ have a nice day
You too!
How do you make use of G0-T0 in the game, guys? When do you choose (or suggest) to take him with you on the party?
Immédiate like.
Technicly the republic in star war is jsut a loose federation amquerading as a republic. The masquerade is to rpevent scecession.
For me the factory is part of the game. Doesn´t matter for me what they did and I´m completely NOT interested in TOR. What game is this anyway... 😎
Before I saw the end did I hear it right that there was Deus Ex music in the background?
Yeah I used a lot of Mankind Divided OST in this one.
@@PapitoQinn Haha, listen to I think this specific one since a few days. Never played it tho.
Alright. I hate GOTO slightly less now.
Why did you hate him before?
@@PapitoQinn He's always picking on poor little remote. That, and he's fat. Oh yeah and there's the whole kidnapping me against my will thing. But mostly the first two.
@@chazaktyler I'll probably make a video at some point explaining why he did what he did with the remote. Because he kind of has a point there too.
@@PapitoQinn alright GOTO apologist, I look forward to it.
Republicans and democrates are ehading teh same direction. A good dictator choose his opposition carefully.