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Sadly in our country, most people thinks a flop movie is a bad movie, and a hit movie is a good movie 😒😒.
Perfectly put.
That is just not true.
I'm just tired of "Sadly in our country......" statements. It's such a cliché.
Sadly in our country @@Dragon123Slayer
@@Dragon123Slayer Sadly in our country😊😊😊😊
Why Korbin is always right and Rick only argues on stupid things
Cause Korbin is instinctive and Rick fakes it
Rick is a pseudo intellectual while Korbin understand his limts yet willing to learn. Many ppl are like Ricks in this world.
12th Fail was a sleeper hit!! It did collect more than 65 Crores on a Budget of 20 Crores...
12th Fail is successful not as a distinct movie or character portrayal but because of the subject matter it touched upon, When opening of 368 posts of peons gets 2.3 million application. These applicants are the box office collection of 12th Fail.
12,th fail is coaching propaganda of vikas divyakirti
I love how Korbin is the more realistic one is this argument, but I guess Rick's is such an artist 😊 He thinks everybody is or should be one 😅. That is lovely, keep the hope ❤.
Jammy is a chamcha of bollywood
Jammy is a bootlicker of bollywood
such an artist?? lol what has he done?
@Fe-ironman a lot actually, and I meant he has the soul of an artist which is very rare
Nobody cares if bollywood is not well. Bollywood is cursed.
The audiences failed them, imagine a very good movie like Swades, Paheli didn't get a good response from the audiences
We as audience didn't fail them. Times change. We are living in a much faster changing world. Working, spending time with family and friends, traffic etc consume most of our time. So, we started looking for movies that provide entertainment only..for relief. These heavy hearted, message oriented, experimental films can be appreciated only by ardent movie lovers not normal people. Take Hollywood as example..compare 60s,70s & 80s movies with present movies. You can clearly see the difference. Indian film industry is also heading that way. It's sad..but it's inevitable. Don't worry..this will become the new norm.
And what about guzaarish?
@AzadRathore-ow7qe i agree wth u
Khamoshi and phir Milenge were brilliant movies, but tanked at the box office
@@gautamb0927
Although I agree to your point, but I would like to take this opportunity to highlight another important aspect of this, do you know that the thought provoking content actually provides you more relief than the Masala entertainers? People think watching a star studded Blockbuster movie will provide them relief from the daily hectic routine whereas in reality, the content which provides you relatable feeling, which motivates you or provides you a way out or a solution is actually the one that helps you out with the said problem. For example watching “The Lunchbox” provided me with a relief and sense of motivation that it is never too late to make a change in your life, you can still find a true companion even if you are old.
Just for comparisons sake, because Korbin mentioned it in the video. Here is a breakdown of what 12th Fail, arguably the years best movie, did in the box office in comparison to some of the biggies.
12 Fail: 66 Cr Worldwide
Pathan: 1052 cr Worldwide
Jawan: 1182 cr worldwide
Animal: 915 Cr Worldwide
Now compare the budget as well. I don't think the makers of 12th Fail were aiming for such BO returns as well
You're literally proving his point of people saying if it's not earned huge money it's a flop film😂
@@nikhil4141 I'm not trying to prove anything. Korbin was wondering how much 12th Fail did, and so I just posted the numbers. I didn't say it's a flop film. Far from it
@@walisaidi4049 okk
I am just happy for the fact that 12th Fail made more than 3 times of its production budget!! The reason I am happy is that People will understand that still if you make a Movie that is directly from the heart and without any songs or masala can still work at BO and get all the love and admiration of people all over...❤❤
Great discussion.... I think Hrithik is the best example of trying to keep doing movies which has the artistic genius along with how to serve them to a mass audience.... He tries to combine both, actors like Salman n srk just start overacting in mass films
Lol!
I would say Aamir khan is great example for that. Hrithik definitely wants to do the same too but he isn't been able to completely unfortunately
why do these so called "experts" expect all sort of things only from Bollywood ?? what about other film industries in India??
Bcs South films have balanced masala and good cinema too and audience wacth all such movies.
More than movies credit goes to the audience.
@@anonymous891 lol , south is mix of four industries telugu and kannada are full on entertainment cinema , malayalam is parallel cinema type and tamil moves with balance , infact bollywood is most balanced industry in india in giving variety of movies
@@anonymous891 i don't like Indian movies I watch movies for time pass
@@anonymous891 I don't like movies specially Indian mainstream
I think Rick’s take on this is so bad.😂
On the most basic level, the only use of a movie is ENTERTAINMENT. You think people care if you’re doing it for the money or for your passion? They only watch movies that they find entertaining. The only reason you’re an artist is because people who watch you, acknowledge you as an artist. You’re in the entertainment industry. You shouldn’t be doing movies just for yourself. Your first priority should always be the audience and entertaining them. They’re not gonna do you a favor by buying tickets to watch movies you do for yourself if it’s not entertaining. I sing really well in my bathroom too, that doesn’t make me a playback singer. Your talent as an actor holds no intrinsic value. It only gets a value when the audience watch you and acknowledge you as an actor. No one is born an artist. You’re only an artist if you can entertain people.
Truly, I hate Rick everytime he's being blind of Hollywood's box office obsession as well.
Well atleast self reflect on what u say. People who think movie is only for entertainment are first of all the ones who have least knowledge of cinema (wacth Newton of Rajkumar Rao once). And there are great director who do movies for themselves like christopher Nolan. And no artist can make a movie for audience it will flop eventually u can only make it out of ur passion and for urself.
@@anonymous891What are you even saying? Movies ARE only for entertainment. The whole movie industry exists for the sole purpose of entertaining people. That was why it was created in the first place. People should always be their top priority. if not, most of those actors would end up being homeless. Some of them can't do anything other than being an actor. Chirstopher Nolan's movies make atleast a billion in the box office. Nolan made those movies knowing people would love them. Every director should make movies to entertain. If your are gonna make movies for yourself, do it. But stop crying when people don't watch it and it doesn't make any money.
Average mind will never understand. Stop arguing with idiots. They will always be average.@@anonymous891
@@madhuumashankar5783 its ok i cant argue with people who just argue senselessly and telling nolan makes movie for people tells how much knowledge u have about cinema. it makes billions there bcs people are more mature there then here.
Salman's AIDS movie (Phir milenge I think) is criminally underrated. His performance was very good in it.
That's so true..
I've seen mindless fellow Indians arguing over movies and everytime, there are idiots who say 'this film sucks . It was a massive flop lol'....
"Ye movie toh flop hai"
" Ho gaya na flop".
I'm like ... Wtf ?!😅
Do we gain anything if a movie is hit? Do we lose anything if a movie is flop?
Does 'flop' have to do anything with a movie being 'good'?
What's more sad is these aren't teenagers. They're adults.
Typical Indian audience response. Quality never mattered to them. Only 'success'.
Bad movies are more likely to flop than good movies. Most of the flopped movies are disasters.
The OTT which was supposed to "save" artistry, has become a double edge sword.
Content films are now meant for OTT release.
Only mass films will succeed in theaters
Unlike you or Rick&Korbin most people have a life outside theatres and cannot go and watch every movie which releases. We have to rely on "hype" stardom reviews and box office collection to choose to dedicate our precious 3hrs.
@@osiris1102 For a moment I might even understand hype and stardom if you're interested in particular stars or whatever, word of mouth as well if you'd like someone else's opinion before committing your time and money, but what do box office collections have to do with it? They don't tell you at all how good a movie is and the audience didn't produce the film so doesn't need to make its money back.
Ghoomer, Jhund, Mrs Chatterjee vs Norway, Anek, there are many offbeat subjects being made. Audiences are not supporting them in big numbers nor are channels like OSR.
End of all debates, Satyajit Ray said it 40 years ago and it still holds true, "Indian audience is fairly backward, fairly unsophisticated". It all boils down to what the audience wants to see, and unfortunately for the Indian audience, no matter how many PhDs one holds, most will still have the taste of truck labourers on desi daaru.
Wow.! what a bigoted thinking from a person who has no idea about the people of Bharat.
@@ProjeetKSrivastavaOk so saying "Bharat" and trying to de-alienate me, like I am this western ideology driven person(for saying India not Bharat). Stop these mind games. I would appreciate a good movie on "Ramayan" and "Mahabharat" more than anything.
The difference is I donot get swayed away like you watching Tictok edits of "Rocky vaaiiiii" and claim it to be the pinnacle of movie making.
That was 40 years ago.in today's era many malayalam Tamil films re better than Hollywood.Its just that u are servants of Hollywood that u don't appreciate ur own cinema
That's was 40 years ago.in today's time Malayalam and tamil cinema are better than Hollywood crap.If that was not case how come RRR nominated in main categories of Hollywood awarss
@@PaulAllen6304 I just want you to know that if people don't like certain movie of your choice, it doesn't mean they're not educated. It might be possible that those movies were actually not good.
Just chill buddy, no need to jump the gun and get to conclusion without doing enough study about people.
I just did the same by commenting and calling you a "bigot", same logic bro.
We as indian audiences failed when movies like FAN flopped , i think it was SRK best after CHAK DE INDIA ...
Its not Bollywood who are afraid of taking risk, its the indian audiences especially HINDI majoriry dont give a shit about cinema ,they will only watch the movie if there is so called masala in it .
Few exceptions are thee like 12th Fail !!
It's the entirety of the country dude.
Why do you think we have so many massy films now?
That trend obviously came for the south.
What a stupid trend to adopt!
I'll never understand why a movie like Pushpa , Animal , Jawan, Salaar earns so much.
Agree , The trend started from south but they never stopped experimenting and adopting new stories
KANTARA ,HANUMAN are examples that south audiences accept both masala and movies like these ... I can bet north audiences will never accept movies like HANUMAN if it was made in Bollywood
HINDI AUDIENCES are in a phase of evolving but Bollywood is ironically all about making money only
Rick the dumb guy hated fan and korbin Singh didn't like it much either. 😂😮😢😅😊❤ But I love it
Its completely there choice and point of view if they like a movie or not : Thats nothing to redicule about
@@awsomearpitthen why the hell you're rediculing the people who speak Hindi language, it's there wish they want to watch a movie or not. Please look into your own double standards.
As always Rick has a painfully pretentious view of the film business. You simply CAN NOT just make films for YOURSELF, it has to be FOR an audience. If you want your film to be JUST for art, make the damn thing on your own dime & keep it in a closet. Films are for me a way to entertain & bring joy to peoples lives. The only semi "compromise" is after you've made a handful films for the audience ONLY THEN you make something for yourself. As they say, "one for me & one for them" that's the best approach. SRK said it best, "first make the money then become a philosopher, one can not be creative in poverty"
Highly disagree... U shud be willing to make films for urself and ur expressions...that's how RRR was done . If u keep adhering to audience, ur not taking risks...and no originality. I wud never watch a movie a filmaker has made keeping audience in mind, rather I wud watch a movie where filmaker has made for himself.
@@adiddevil RRR WAS made keeping an audience in mind. It was an extremely commercial masala entertainer. One can NOT make films just for an audience of one i.e. themselves. Making a film with your own convictions is different than from making a film for oneself, I think you are confusing the two.
@adiddevil IMAGINE RRR without the 2main leads.
Would it have been as accepted?? No chance.
Because the movie was carried by NTR and ramcharan
100% agree with you here. He goes into denial when this fact is presented. Ofcourse there will be few exceptions when the people are creating a film for themselves and it also resonates with the audience, which results in a huge box office number. But, you can't always assume that will be the case for all your films. You do have to keep the audience in mind or else who are you making this movie for? This industry, especially in India is very unpredictable. Not all mass movies will be a box office success, and not every artistic movie will be like 12th Fail. You do have to consider what the audience wants. Also, as Rick said, I don't agree that Hollywood isn't like that. They also aim for huge blockbusters with mindless movies like the Fast franchise. And then there are artistic movies which are just meant for the OTT. I hope Rick can be rational about this and not just believe what HE wants. Good argument Korbin. Lots of love
@@randomhuman97 I am neither a fan of Bahubali nor RRR. But have to disagree with you. RRR was a pan indian hit not because of its two superstars (hindi film audience had no idea of their star status) but because of the director's vision and never before seen action sequences in any Bollywood films.
Even Hollywood has turned the tide on the basis of what the audience wants for many years now!! I don't see, bloodsport, Airforce 1, Con Air, Goodwill Hunting, Scent of a woman, Silence of the lambs kinda great movies anymore. All that is left of Hollywood is just marvel comic super hero movies and everything from stan lee!! All that is catering to the younger audience!!! Because franchises come with these movies and that is good business!!!
Hollywood is garbage industry
It is a very damaging trait of Indian society that has led to the box office obsession. People from very early on in their lives are taught that what is socially acceptable is greater than an individual's own critical opinion. So hence what is not admired by the collective of millions of people, in this case not showered with box office, is instantly branded as silliness. This percolates to various other aspects too not just cinema. Societal norms, the huge lacking of innovation. Because we are forever taught to follow the lead, to only jump into the water if someone has tested it for you. I hope our future generations grow to be more individualistic for the better.
For me as a movie lover and watcher and expectation of reviews from critics and audiences I want commercial and parallel cinema to co exist both be loved and making money and appreciated on the metrics relevant to them so not looking for mass action scene in 12th fail or expecting thespianatic muscles of Lunchbox level in Pathaan, both need to be loved, amitabh bachhan and naseeruddin shah both were necessary to the industry in what they did
So I hate people hating on commercial action films looking for logic, also hate that people dont support when "stars" take risks and deem it bad and hate everything confined to box office and also say bollywood only remakes and then not support their good original films
Dunki was a risk and you guys didn't like it. The countries biggest star and director had the guts to treat a sensitive subject like illegal immigration, and try to make it somewhat entertaining but the critics were split and audiences found it too confronting to rewatch. Compare DUNKI's box office collections with the other two films SRK did, Jawan and Pathan. Jawan and Pathan broke records and set the screens on fire. While Dunki was just average in terms of box office. So based on that response, will SRK take another risk or instead opt to do a masala like Dhoom 4? lol
Dunki was a boring movie with a mediocre premise.
I think the model might become doing commercial movies for the big screen and doing more artistic ones for OTT platforms. Or alternatively, like SRK did in 2023... 2 action movies, and then go for a social comedy / drama.
Dunki was not a risk at all.. it was made by Hirani and everyone knew what kind of films he makes... which r pure commercial movies.
Dunki was not a financial risk. It was a Hirani film and all Hirani films have done financially well. So it was probably the safest bet of all films he did last year.
Yeah, imagine calling a Rajkumar Hirani movie a financial risk 🤡🤡
SRK fanboys really smoking more stuff than he and his son does. 😂😂
Rick please stop, Korbin is correct 😂. Your arguments are emotionally charged instead of factually correct.
I really can’t understand the perception of Indian audience. A movie like Gadar 2 minted 500+cr from India and a movie like Fighter is struggling to get 200cr.
If you wanna know then watch pratik borade's review of Gadar 2 and Fighter.
@@Priya_Chathurvedi_abc Pratik borade?? That sanghi extreme right wing guy?
@@ajof45 Did you watch his videos? Did you understand what went wrong with Fighter?
@@Priya_Chathurvedi_abc I have seen that hack guy Pratik Borade.I tried to have a discussion with him about Pink film. He just wanted to be holier than thou and talk about hamari bhartiya sanskriti without knowing anything about it. I don't want such a guy to tell me what to watch Thanks. I will miss some good movies.
@@Priya_Chathurvedi_abc He was bogged by the women drinking in the movie. I actually would have liked to see a prostitute say NO and then there's a Court case. But it will never happen in India. He had no answer to this.
You haven't seen Akshay's iv where iver asked about big box office collection & he said don't put BO pressure on me. I want to do such social movies like Padman, OMG, Mission Raniganj. Don't demotivate me by putting BO as the measurement of success.
Swades' failure - to this day I am still disgusted with the audiences! nice moves SRK! doing films like Pathaan and Jawan, coz they make big blockbusters! that's what the audience wants!😙
2004 had many wonderful films flop needlessly.
Khakee, raincoat, swades, even lakshya was a big hit, in DVD sales, not the box office . . Why??
I agree, Indian audience is very obsessed with collection of movies, the latest fad being 1000 crore club, that's how we judge the success of a movie
You know what Rick!😂😂 I have something gooood for ya! Elevative artistry on STEROIDS! aka Indian Soap Operas! I want you to review one of em...most probably one of the famous ones! Come on Rick! You can do it!!😂🙈
When it did took the risks, the audience weren't in favour of them.
Fault lies on the audience not the filmmakers that's the fact
@@sk_270-z do you think american audience have good taste? 😂
@@raja-jl9os they like the cringe tamil content but hate some underrated indian movies
@@sk_270-z do you like star wars and Hollywood blockbuster?
@@raja-jl9os I'd ask you the same thing?
Money-At the end of the day a person needs to pay their bills.Actors always start out with good intentions but when flim after film doesn't work inspite of being rich in content,talent and elevated artistry, you(here an actor)are being termed as losers at the box office,washed out ,as having poor choices for films because producers don't make their money etc ,Good n even great actors will do subpar movies.All the actors /actresses we love have been called a failure at one point,Actors known for only acting don't have lucrative roles anymore( eg Vidya Balan and here folks will say she still has huge talent but doesn't need to do stuff because of her producer husband)All actors do care about their craft at some point but it's always better for them if a film makes a whole lot more than what producers put in..And Hollywood does have the same issues but this is more noticeable in Indian film industries because of the way films work,how huge our stars(and paparazzi)can get,how badly they can put themselves in a rut and fall...etc Parallel cinema existed for this reason-to explore their artistic side and even if it fails the Money lost won't be in the levels of what would happen in the commercial film space.Ultimately how successful you are depends on your box office value too..Vicky Kaushal does these amazing movies nowadays but even he would admit that he would be happy if at least one of those movies make enormous income at the box office. If you pay close attention it's the same in Hollywood too,you are only as great as your last movie.Artistry matters but for a working actor Money matters too (Here the way people treat their actors matter as well because they do treat them better when they have had a successful run at the box office.)A great director like LJP Sir has to personally attend interviews and make his movie seem meaningful to the audience because of how dismally most of them especially reviewers are talking about it which means if this goes on it will not make the money they imagined it would possibly make at the box office and therefore He is making a last attempt to salvage what he can to make his movie financially viable.
*every producer,production house are investing their tons of money to earn more..noone is here to do charity by investing their money..every actor,director,producer wants to be recognized by lots of people & wants to earn lots of money so box office collection should be the first priority..btw,rick and korbin are reacting indian content because they know that indians are most on youtube..they will get more views by reacting indian content.so everyone wants more attention*
I don't get it. What's wrong with an OTT release of a film? If you have pumped in a lot of money into stuff that will look great on big screen liek a big star, or VFX or whatever, then go release it on the big screen. Why can't I watch a cozy heartfelt him at home, sipping something warm in the comfort of my home where I can pause and resume at will and watch when I feel like going? Cinema going and watching something with friends on a big screen needs a big screen kind of visuals.
How many people have access to ott vs how many people can go to theatre. Lower class masses don't have large access to ott
@@swatisaini6447 and lower class masses will watch something like pathaan they are not throwing their money to satisfy some artist
Hrithik Roshan is the perfect blend of a superstar and superb actor I guess.
I really hope he makes a good film in between fighter and war 2. A small budget, content film.
No he's just a guy who likes to show his nipples a lot.. Weird mofo
to be fair, in terms of Acting Akshay kumar, Ajay devgan and SRK are far above Hrithik Roshan, Hrithik is good but not that good
Are you being sarcastic? Hrithik is a below average actor at best
@@maidamudassar4860 If Hrithik Roshan is below average then most Indian superstars are shit including the Khans then.
The most stupidest statement from rick - "you are not artist if your motivation of performing art is money driven or audience choice driven" . Woww bro.. You have to say something but you chose to say this.
It doesnt matter bro what u r performing for, it can be for urself or your audience but if u r freaking awesome in performing something you are an artist. Yeah artsist have different choices. Some like to perform what they want to show and some likes to perform what audience want.
Rick irritates me so much
art cant thrive without money
What I have observed over the last few years is that some Indian people are a bit narrow-minded about people of their legends or history (no offense!).
I remember very well the hatred of some Indians, political groups etc towards the film "Padmaavat". Bhansali and Padukone were threatened (with violence and death), Bhansali had to change the title and subsequently cover Padmavati's belly in the Ghoomar dance scene. And for what? For narrow-minded, overly proud people who didn't appreciate a director like Bhansali bringing this story to the big screen. It is not even entirely clear whether this queen actually existed. And keep in mind that Bhansali made clear that the film was based on the poem and he in no way claimed to be historically accurate. (As a European, I would be overjoyed and thankful if an artist like Bhansali made a film of my history!) Anyway, when the film was out, the whole world asked: What was the problem? What was all the fuss about?
And now that he is about to release “Heeramandi - The Diamond Bazaar”, the comments from the whiners and haters are piling up. Don't want to see a film about the life of a prostitute? Or about courtesans? Then don't do it and let others enjoy his films ✌
Rick, If an argument with Korbin doesn't end within 2 minutes you should concede by default. Korbin is always right.
Not always...I've seen him making the dumbest arguments with rick .
Agree
You can react to SRK's speech and interaction at Indian of the year awards. A good one I believe.
Also do react to "The man who tried " SRK edit. Long awaited one.
I get where Rick is coming from and he has valid points, but some of the stuff he says is dead wrong. Poor Things is number 68 in terms of US box office in 2023, nowhere near the top 20. 14 of the top 20 at the US box office are franchise films, and one of the others is a concert film. There's only 5 originals, and you could probably make the argument that Wonka isn't original either.
Coda never even got a wide theatrical release in the US so I don't know what he's on about with that. It got an oscar boost in the form of a spike in viewership on streaming but not at the box office since it wasn't even playing.
I understand what Rick is saying, agree to certain extent but Barbie's boxoffice success is not because of it's artistry. But because it's politically affiliated to the Western or in way a world's left wing ideology view.. They promoted it so aggressively across all platforms, so is Greta Gerwig too made sure it was of that kind deliberately. She wasn't pushing any artistry out of her film. But made sure it looked, and jibed very well to be listed among those.
Most of the Oscars listing is chosen based on what fits their political ideology and many filmmakers make film to feed/back that kind of political affiliation, just like how mass/bollywood or any Indian industry looks to feed mass audience for entertainment sake. So are the films listed, picked, made for Oscars is strongly aligned, affiliated to feed a political ideology of Western world view as well.
Don't believe it? Even Parasite was made on the same lines.
Lets not go too far for Parasite, try to understand about India's RRR.
Now think of it why was RRR picked and it's song got award, not the film. It's not because it's the best of artistry from India. It truly isn't which people got to accept the fact. Oscars committee knew this pretty well. And they can't give a mass commercial film an Oscars or else they got to answer their own kind like that of Marvel or DC too.
RRR worked well in US because they had a common "FUp" against Brit's narrative, a favoring to 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution to bear arms, It presents a kind of weak gay love sort of which western audience assumed initially and later reverted back to calling it Bromance, it had American story structure format which worked for general American audience to come in, it also reminded them of their own nationalist propaganda films of old Western films or to the likes of CItizen cane or even Top Gun Maverik kind. It also helped for spreading OTT in India and America as well as Broadway business in America, so is why they aggressively pushed it.
Fun part shall I tell you guys. RRR's song *_Naatu Naatu_* isn't really that good song to even win Oscars. The reality is, if one understands artistry, it's *_Komuram Bheemudo_* song which genuinely should have own Oscars if going for that. Reason is, the song is the central/core aspect which makes Ram's Character change. The lyrics, the singing, the story Bheem sings in that song is more attuned to the artistry of the whole movie, the story's arc right falls there. The lyrics, singing is incredibly beautiful. So if Oscars genuinely valued artistry of RRR for songs, it should have been for that Komuram Bheemudo Song.. Not Naatu Naatu..
So they gave Naatu Naatu song Oscars is because of their own need to market the film for the event, it more favored the thoughtlessness of Americans towards film's subject matter. Most Americans themselves and even Indians by large are less aware of artistic nuances of that Komuram Bheemudo song aligned to the story, than that of Naatu Naatu.. So..... Oscars for Naatu Naatu was politically and financially motivated too. Not artistically....
So when you say Barbie made billion $. It's not because of it's artistry. Infact most of the films picked in Oscars or Venice or Cannes film awards aren't picked based on artistry alone. It's more based on how and what favors a political ideology and what could be easily favoring it narrative to be sold, and mind you most of those filmmakers who are coming up there too are of same kind, making films of such nature itself.
So truly speaking there is no ARTISTRY up there which we claim these film festivals or any country getting them a billion $ profit. It's just pure business affiliated to a political propaganda.. Just like how Stalin and Hitler times films were used to share a propaganda narrative. Same template is what is used, taught in American film schools too. (just in case if you don't know)
Just like, take Ukraine Russia war, if Ukraine was winning somehow to the likes of Western world's interest, this Ukrainian film "Mariupol" would easily win Oscars. Same the case would be for any movie from Israel too. I'm just saying how American films, Oscars and these film festivals chose promote films works.
Just like how Chinese too have their own film festivals and made a society around film collections and in a way collects communist ideals, realism as their choice of best films. Same like how Kerala's Malayalam films too aggressively promote realism as because of their ages of affiliation too. It's just how it, you know.
To come to point, in all these, *"Artistry never won awards or made profits!"*
26:54 because Tenet was released in the pandemic 2020
I don’t know how true this is but you guys would love to know there are rumors that producers and directors are refusing to back up Ranveer films these days cause his last few films flopped that’s just the reality of these actors not only audience but creators will dump you like a hot potato if couple films don’t do well. You can’t really blame these actors for choosing shitty films that make money to make a living cause that’s unfortunately what’s actor’s capacity is judged on. It’s unfortunate but it’s the reality of Indian actors/actresses.
Actually very evident with the case with Varun Dhawan off late .
Arjun Kapoor laughing in the corner.
Raja and Rani ki prem kahani was flop?
@@Ayushkothari131Nope
I'd agree and disagree at the same time.
I think the onus is on superstars like SRK , Salman , Akshay, Amir etc.
They have earned so much in their career. Srk is literally the 2 nd or 3rd richest actor in the world.
And they will continue to earn for decades more through ads and sponsorships.
They CAN afford to take risks and make quality content. Let it flop. If there's anyone who can afford to let it flop, it's them.
It can even be on OTT.
They can adopt OTT as a space to experiment and the big screen for the 'blockbuster' movies.
If there's an encouraging viewership, we could experience a shift if the type of movies in a decade.
Then the younger actors can continue for there.
There's absolutely no reason for these guys to be in a stupid Spy universe or make massy films.
It’s definitely more the audience that needs to change to support more and more of films like 12th fail so it gives stars the confidence to go out of the box. They can’t keep experimenting and go bankrupt if audiences don’t support
Korbin is right. In hollywood its also same because only big action, mass films are box office success and movies with big actors or directors
Indian people enjoy hollywood action
Salman's line at the beginning of the video really got me 2:21-2:29🤣🤣
firstly rick is prejudiced..and secondly he cant accept anything which contradicts his opinion..calling himself an artist is like living in a fantansy world...i love korbin...he has evolved..and rick has confined himeslf in opinion that he thinks is artistic.
Problem with the most movies portrayed as fantastic artistic movie is the propaganda peddled with the help of art which is not agreed by the people of Bharat.
You should start some videos on debates. I love when you two have different opinions on a thing, I got to see two different opposite perspectives. Love you two ❤
Money was never important to me only artistry matters to me that's why I was an Uber driver earlier - RICK..........
India is not US ..... people in India have to work 10 times harder to make the same amount of money they make in the US.....
Indian cinema needs to care about Money because we don't have unlimited budget like Hollywood
How Indonesia can make better action movie compare to Hollywood and Indian 😂
25:49 Rick is totally wrong here
I am talking about tamil song listeners of tamil people. Once there was a big drop in 70s in listening tamil songs even though there were great music directors like MSV who had played a great role in composing evergreen songs in 60s. What happened was the people started listening hindi songs. Songs of Bobbie, Yathon ki bharat, Julie, sholay, nagin, aradhana, etc were popular among tamils. After the entry of Ilayaraja on mid of 70s everything changed. The songs he created were very different and new to the listeners. They stopped hearing Bollywood songs started listening to his songs. Machchana pathingala, the first movie song was more popularized amongst. He continued producing songs and fulfilled their desire.
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Some say that audience failed them. We as audience didn't fail them. Times change. We are living in a much faster changing world. Working, spending time with family and friends, traffic etc consume most of our time & tire us. So, we start looking for movies that provide entertainment only..for relief. These heavy hearted, message oriented, experimental films can be appreciated only by ardent movie lovers not normal people. Take Hollywood as example..compare 60s,70s & 80s movies with present movies. You can clearly see the difference. Indian film industry is also heading that way. It's sad..but it's inevitable. Don't worry..this will become the new norm.
I respect Rick having strong opinions but damn, the delusion sometimes 😂
I think the biggest reason these films didn't get much attention is because instead of portraying the problem these characters face the always focus on love stories like in case of zero instead of portraying the problem these people facing they show the love story between srk and anushka
25:48 Yes it is Rick. The highest grossing Hollywood movies last year were Barbie and Super Mario Bros. Not what you'd call great cinema. A steaming pile of dogshit called Jurassic World Dominion made a billion dollars in 2022.
25:39 You can't DEMAND that the movies you liked be on the top-grossing list. People will see what they wanna see, not what they hear some random guys on YT claim is 'art'. While I'm not saying Pathaan and Jawan are the greatest films ever made (far from it; I dislike those two movies quite a bit, especially the latter), but they gave their respective audiences what they wanted. Most people came out of the theatre satisfied. Palatable entertainment for 2.5 hours. That's what they'd signed up for, and that's what they got.
Oppenheimer made millions too justify now!! (Don't tell me it was not a good cinema)
@@anonymous891 Got a brain? I'm not saying only bad movies make money in Hollywood. Oppenheimer was great and I loved it. What I'm saying is that bad movies can make money in Hollywood, too, not just in India. It is completely normal for good small movies to not make as much money as even bad big budgeted movies. That's my argument.
@@Dragon123Slayer thanks for clarifying!! but my comment didnt mean just that what u should see is that people maker even good cinema blockbuster in there unlike us
@@anonymous891 But we make good blockbusters too, don't we? RRR from 2022 was a pretty classy action film, with great characterisations all round. If you're willing to accept that we make different KINDS of movies.
@@Dragon123Slayer i totally agree RRR was amazing and all round entertaining film. And i am not saying we dont make different kind of movies especially just consider malyalam films for example but what i am saying is such movies gradually get under the pile when people start neglecting it although have to say since the ott came people have started noticing such movies even in india. i guess its a gradual change.
AK vs AK was good concept, I guess.
Khakee is awsome , can be a fun watchalong too
Coda did 2.2 M$ on a 10M$
Hollywood isnt much better in this regard.
Focus on box office collection started with Aamir Khan. It was Ghazini which collected 100cr and publicised it.
Yes Rick, I do understand the frustration you have about Laal Singh Chaddha but a large number of audience had an issue with the authentic accent which you had in Rocky and Rani inspite of the actors being hardcore Bengalis also few acting choices taken by Aamir, were some of the problems audience had though I loved the movie.
Agreed. Lal Singh Chadda was really bad.
Laal Singh Chaddha was a Bang average film..And I painfully say that as an Avid Amir Khan Fan!!!
No way that Film anyway deserves to have a Production Budget of > 200 Cr...
Just think About it only if the portrayal of Amir apart from the climax of the movie would have been charming nd decent and with a Production Budget of 50 Cr...
That Film would have surely ranked in 150 Cr and gained a Superhit Status! But instead what we got was a Very lame adaptation of Forrest Gump with an annoying lead performance and hence it did not even reach 100 Cr..
@@drprathamprakash1408 Surprisingly Aamir was a major reason for the movie being unsuccessful.. His forced accent and weird face expressions just didn't work, unlike for Tom Hanks in original where it elevated the film
Lal singh chaddha was a flop just because of the "Boycott Gang"
@@viditkumar8819 I don't agree...Look at Pathaan!!! It's nowhere a great film..Great choro it's not even that good!!
Boycott movement was on its peak in Jan 2023 as well..but since it was an SRK return after 5 years almost and an Action packed masala Film it grossed 1000+ crores on boxofficd
Fighter is latest victim to people’s perception.
Poor Things better be the top film of this year! I EFFIN LOVE IT! 😆😆😆
The tension in the end was high between both of them 😂 i could feel it
MY NAME IS KHAN WAS A SUPER HIT NOT A FLOP
I am sorry, Rick is really being delusional in last 10 minutes, Bro Korbin is facts wise bang on!!
I wholeheartedly disagree with you Rick. You need money to survive in the real world. Your definition of 'artist' will starve in the real world. To satisfy your artistic cravings, you need to have a corpus of funds as backup which you earn from commercial and mindless movies. No disrespect there as well. Everyone from Nawaz to Irrtan have done it. End of the day everything in the world is business, no matter how much you say that you love reacting to Indian content, you will stop doing it once the views stop pouring in. I won't shame you for that as well. I understand the nature of the yt business. Just because some wants to make a film that people will want to see does not make them any less of an artist. All I ask is to not be a hypocrite.
The film Salman Khan is talking about is "Phir Milenge" he played an Hiv-AIDS patient. The film was not popular, but i saw it and loved it. Indian audience cries for change, but serious films dont get seen in India. Only big commercial films
Wow...can you please debate more😅😂😂😂😂😂
Box office trend started with Amir Khan with first 100cr in gujni 200cr in 3idiots and 300cr in dangal, that was the time audiance started talking about the money before gujni there was no talk about the box office of the film in audiance.
My name is khan wasnt underrated
i agree with rick on artists thinking what the audience wants rather than thinking what they wanna convey
*every producer,production house are investing their tons of money to earn more..noone is here to do charity by investing their money..every actor,director,producer wants to be recognized by lots of people & wants to earn lots of money so box office collection should be the first priority..btw,rick and korbin are reacting indian content because they know that indians are most on youtube..they will get more views by reacting indian content.so everyone wants more attention*
When christopher Nolan directed movie following producers agreed to give him money for memento and now u see where he has come that shows how mature audience are and how mature we are yet to be. U are ryt bcs that's unfortunate fact but tht doesn't make it rut
Akshay did many social messages movies. He is an allrounder actor ❤
With due respect, it makes no sense...every other producer wants to earn money. The so called artist hopes that what he has envisioned will be loved by all and will generate money whereas the others think of the people first and then invest on the project.
I know like 10 people that saw Everything Everywhere because of Michelle Yeoh and Action. Not because of A24 and "content" they just heard some buzz about it being a wild action movie
I agree to Korbin's thoughts in the end. It's true that entertainment value draws more people than artistic value.
How do you define a good movie? I think that is very subjective. Just because a movie is big budget, doesnt mean it is a bad film and also because a movie stars certain actors like nawaaz, kalki, radhika apte and naseer it becomes a good movie. *12th fail* worked even when it didnt have a star on the other hand *thugs of hindustan* flopped because it didnt click on the whole as a movie, irrespective of the stars. I can name 100 of cringe movies which stars your favorite actors if you want the list. Movie making as you guys have often mentioned, is very collabrative art form. A story or music or the actor, any of it can click for an audience to make it a succesful film. But the bitter truth is bad movies of popular stars get highlighted more because they are watched by many while a movie starring pankaj tripathi (main atal hoo) will not be trashed as badly. Your channel reviewed Lage raho munna bhai and called it a bad movie, but for us it Indians, it was an inspiring tale. People trashed rocky or raani ki prem kahani, Laal singh chaddha..but you guys loved it. I personally didn't like RRR or even Natu Natu song which some how bagged academy. But surely some people loved it enough to call it a great song. With such a diverse diaspora to cater, every movie made by indian actor is a risk. I dont agree that our actors are not taking enough risks and not trying to do good movie.
I don't like movies 😂
Enjoying them argue 🤣
Why does OSR react to videos where they have no knowledge about cinema. Amitabh has been taking risks like Jhund, Black, Paa etc for over 25 years now. Abhishek did films like Ghoomer. Rani Mukerji did Mrs. Chattetjee vs Norway. Vidhu Vinod Chopra did 12th Fail. Ayeshman Khuranna does several risky films like Anek. Clearly this video is not in touch with films today. Instead of reacting to silly videos, they should react to a film like Ghoomer or Mrs Chatterjee vs Norway.
Clearly someone hates TRP lol. Ofc the actors you mentioned took risks too. Perhaps he forgot to mention them or couldn't mention all the actors in one video. He didn't say ki inke alawa aur kisi actor ne risks nhi liya. Then he talked about Bollywood in general. It's understood that one can't include all actors.
@@shaily191TRP make awful videos and have little knowledge of cinema. There are many more examples of recent films where top stars take risks.
@@AshokSingh-wu1dl Well that's your opinion. They don't seem awful at all to me and his subscribers who watch. His and Social channels are the ones who make unbiased videos on movies. Baki toh shayad aivai hai
Oh Rick is soooo delusional if he thinks Poor Things is coming ANYWHERE close to top 20 this year
I guess one reason that hollywood mainstream actors also star in movies that showcase storytelling and their acting alongw the massy box office ones is because they get their due in both. you hope for an oscar award or nomination for the former and in the latter they'll get the money, when it comes to bollywood, stars are the ones who bring a certain footfall or money when they have a film, there is no credit given to them for the acting and movies that they pick. there are no equivalents to an oscar here in bollywood, not that oscar is the end all of determining talent but it still has got the name. wish the national awards for our films got the same respect.
Korbin is 100% correct. Rick does not know the ground reality somehow.
That's what people probably said to filmmakers like christopher Nolan when he made memento to make movie for audience and now we know where he has come lol.
@@anonymous891 i am not telling Rick should be this or that, i am merely telling he does not know the ground reality. That's it.
@@donsrkpoorna no i got it. But i think in terms of what really makes an artist unique is in what rick said unfortunately yes in india its hard
I agree with rick. Its upsetting that people only show up to the cinemas to watching big action movie and wont show up to watch smaller films. I hope lapatta ladies does well.
In 2000s mostly rom com movies are blockbuster 🤣
Bollywood is basically runs by families. Its like nepotism at its peek. They were used with the larger than life, big production plastic stuffs. They are busy with imitating hollywood type stuffs and busy with remaking other industries great works into shits. But there are directors who doing great works in bollywood. People are there not following their typical shits. Now. This era is doing the trend of mass big scale movies. In bollywood, and other industries people are not into character oriented films, they looking just the stardom, fanism shits. Typical people need commercial mass shits. Showing the six pack and muscles of actors. Directors and writers are making movies for actor. Not for the sake of characters or films. They were not ready to change the perspectives. They will get huge money, for doing big films. Imitating and copying other stuffs and changing it to their own typical shit and destroying it.
True Bollywood is scared movie like Mission Raniganj got so poor box office that now Akshay Kumar needs to make big action movie. Mission Raniganj was so good but it has some okayish cgi.
Well the film industry is essentially a business so catering to the audience is their first priority and it should be. The problem is filmakers kinda underestimate the audience. When movies like OMG 2, Drishyam 2, Andhadun , Kantara etc can be successful it means audience does not just watch only mass movies but the movies which are interesting and they can connect with. Even if audience just watch a certain kind of movies then filmakers can atleast add some creativity in those movies if they want to. Bollywood doesn't even make movies like RRR, KGF, Hanuman and they have the audacity to blame all on audience.
Andhadhun released generations ago. Don't include it here
RRR is a pretty generic story dude
You must watch
Deepa mehta trilogy
Water , Earth ,fire
Heaven on earth
Pinjar
Maachis
Zubeidaa
Dasvadaniya
The last lear
Jane b do yaaro
Bheja fry
Just FYI, Poor Things is not even in top100.. 😂😂
It ranks #104 in terms of box-office collections
Sooraj Barjatya said Uunchai was unlike any Rajshri film and made without box office consideration. Rick and Korbin are discussing films without seeing most of the risky films being made today.
I want Amir to accept his age and do films accordingly. Only he can do that. After Dangal I thought he has started doing that
Rick is right. Adding a bit of salt makes sweet tea so much better. Just a hint of salt, not too much.
I still dont understand how SRK movies like Asoka, Swades, Paheli etc didnt do well
Also, the video it’s a bit misleading in that most of the main stream actors of the 90’s mentioned have a very low percentage of risky movies.Each one has probably acted in more than 120 movies out of maybe two or three were risks,out of which one or two worked.That cannot be generalized as risk taking. Since the post emergency separation of Hindi movie industry into commercial(dumbing down audiences)and art cinema(agitate audiences),for reasons too complicated to mention here,glitzy Bollywood has always been risk-averse.And continues to be today.That is why it’s such a pleasure to watch old Hrishikesh Mukherjee movies of the 60’s and early 70’s with commercially viable stars like Sanjeev kumar,Dharmendra,Sharmila Tagore,Uttar kumar,Suchitra Sen or even Rajesh Khanna or Vinod Khanna.They had more freedom of expression as they did not need to fit into any slots.Nawazuddin cannot not pull off Anubhav or Seeta aur Geeta and Ranveer Singh cannot pull of a Naya din Nayi raat.They were products of a different era filmmaking.Though there is an effort to bridge that gap again,thankfully.
Jaanwar is so good. Akshay kumar comedy movie bhagam bhag, namstey london, singh is kinng, reaction please.
Salman was backing SLB and acting in Khamoshi when srk and Aamir were running after boxoffice masala films.
SRK yes but Aamir did movies like1947 Earth during that time.
I totally agree with Korbin on this 😂. Sometimes Rick just argues for the sake of arguing. Much love to both ❤of you
I think the main reason is..Bollywood industry makes a lot of bad films just for the sake of making it... also they are lots of propaganda involved in those movies... this has made Indian audience to be more careful and prefer watching movies only if their trailers or reviews or box office numbers are good.
It's entirely the Bollywood industry mistake. They encourage unnecessary propaganda in their art. Choreographers have become directors now...come onnn.
This bullshit needs to end.
Hrithik roshan has taken the most risks without thinking about stardom be it lakshya,mission kashmir,fiza,guzaarish,zindagi na milegi dobara,super 30,kaabil and even latest fighter(a genre which is very new to indian audience as mass audience will not like it bcoz it is a class movie of technicality)😢😢😢😢
It will take another generation or so until Indian Viewers will start appreciating good content. They are at the moment still learning what actually a good content is. You cannot blame producers and makers all the time, it’s supply and demand based process, Indian viewers demand “Masala” and they get it in abundance. I have seen people claiming that it is the opposite case that the content makers need to provide good quality content and people will watch it, NO it’s a big lie, there have been numerous good movies show cased even last year in cinemas, but no one bothered going to watch them.
Korbin is right. Audiences r getting or will get tired of such big commercial action movies .
Its a spectrum. You can be cognizant of what people want to see and still maintain some artistic integrity. It doesn't have to be one or the other. A two hour movie consists of many many scenes and even more decisions. You can make some decisions that you think people will appreciate and make some that are purely for your own pleasure. A movie can contain multitudes. And to me, that's what Barbie is. It's doing some cool, artistic things, but it is also pandering to an audience. It might've not set out to make a billion dollars, but it was still a tentpole film. And not to mention, that if you are making a movie for the critics, the Oscars, the Cannes Festival, that still an audience you are trying to appeal to, and there are still benefits that come with winning the approval of that particular niche. So, that's not art? A movie, unlike many other artforms, requires a lot of money to be made and is usually meant for an audience. So, you need at least some consideration to what an audience might want.
The salt part on the tea is actually true
When you do 50-60 movies there will be few movies which will be Good but one has understand how much important role does the director plays
Well an Indian chai with a bit salt is good for throat!!
Just bcz u are american it doesnt mean u r akways right.film industry is itself a buisness.for artist there is parallrl snd indie cinema.same is there in usa same is there in india and everywhere.how many indie films get nominated for oscar devoid of stars just purely based on merit.answer is zero