CULTURE SHOCK #3 | "RUDE" ITALIAN HABITS EXPLAINED | Kaija Love

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  • @filipporubino4163
    @filipporubino4163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    In order:
    1) it's true, in italian restaurants "the customer is NOT always right". But those are simply suggestions, at least nowadays they are much more flexible, due to allergies, vegetarians, vegans, etc...
    2) we Italians have a very different concept of "invasion of personal space" (some don't even know what it is!): a little brush or a light bump is nothing for us. 3) everything you said is true. Italy can be hell for shy or timid people, here you always need to fight for your own. And it's true that gaps in speaking are hardly found. So, in friendly and informal contexts, interrupting is not considered rude (depending HOW, of course). I'll tell you more: if in a conversation you're always silent, the other one may think you're not interested. :-) we're weird, maybe, but that's the way we are!!

    • @iota-09
      @iota-09 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Correct, and, at least in my experience, in pizzerie usually the owners will always like to try things out and if they're not too busy, making modifications to a pizza or something will be pretty common, though that is almost always unaccepted in restaurants.
      I've worked, or at least "lived" in restaurants pretty much my whole life and there's a few reasons why:
      First and foremost, as she said too: culture, we got our dishes following precise recipes and the chefs WILL BE proud of them, changing a recipe out of a client's it's just... No, that's just not how it works, if that's the way you wanna go, make your own dish at home, when entering a restaurant you're asking for a service and that service includes the chef's expertise, and unless you got reasons to not eat certain foods, they won't make modifications(usually will just ask to choose something else)
      And yes, if the reason is lame like "i only eat organic food(without even knowing what organic is though as of course you aren't in the kitchen lol) the cooks WILL hate you foe that, especially if it's constant requests on a busy night.
      I remember last time i worked on a new year's eve day during a "cenone di capodanno" event, there was one guy who always asked the chefs to change... I think it was the oil? We had to cook everything on a separate stove just for the guy even though we had only 5/7 fires and were cooking for literally one or two hundred people at once, my father was quite pissed at the guy ngl.
      That said, another reason which ties with what i just said is because kitchens tend to be extremely busy, there may not be all that many stoves and ovens and keeping the recipes fixed helps the workflow.
      Lastly, although this largely depends on the restaurant, some dishes are pre-made, i.e. in my family's restaurant we had "polipetti affogati", "totani e patate" "seppie e fagioli" and other side dishes which were cooked before opening hour and just simply couldn't be modified because they were supposed to just be given as is, maybe heated, but not modified.
      That being said, in pizzerie this usually all tends to be not the case as pizza is usually made on-the-spot, so modifications there are fine, just make sure you're on good terms with the pizzeria and to not make basically a new pizza from scratch, start from the most similar base you see on the menu, the least ingredients you change, the better both for the chef and you.

    • @iota-09
      @iota-09 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also yeah on that third point, Italy is hell for shy people, but it's like a limbo of uncertainty and obscurity for people with certain condition.
      To put into perspective, when i got diagnosed with ASD, in my diagnosis papers there was a lot of emphasis on "lack of expressiveness (especially body language), poor lexicon, lack of eye contact or excessive eye contact" and stuff like that... But i'm pretty sure i wasn't acting all too different from how kaija did in this video, aside from ete contact mind you and my lexicon is kinda messed up due to how i hardly ever speak but write a lot in english.
      Still, i wonder how those papers would have looked like if i was in the us or someplace like that... Maybe they would have had a harder time noticing my troubles with socialization?
      I guess that also does explain how there were times i was oblivious to why people thought i was being rude, disinterested or just in general not pleasant to speak with...

    • @x_mau9355
      @x_mau9355 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      1) yeah! However if you have so many annoying allergies you can also stay home. EDIT or you eat home before and in the restaurant you can only drink still water and look other people eating.

    • @ShadowlordDio
      @ShadowlordDio ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@iota-09 is worse for us Argentinians that are Italian grandsons because our granparents and parents evolved in social skills due to multicultural (mostly european countries immigrants here in Argentina) so we spect same warmth and happines and well manners towards costumers and tourist we are used in our country and we also spect the same cordiality or italian parents and granparents used to have and that humility but is a shock to arrive to Rome and also north of italy and find lots of old grumpy people and brute rude mannered people always looking at you like if they hate you or dont want you to chat with them or lose their precious time when asking for directions or food .. and is worse in corrpted state places like comunas where burocracy is all outdated with no digital info and you have to ask please too many times for some old lady to send an email to an embassy and if he or she gets bothered they dont do it for months just to do wrong against you. they also hate immigrants even if my parents are italian i dont know the language much i prefer english and spanish of course and italians hate it like if their language is universal or something. they ignore the latin is their roots and italian is just a deformation and vulgar way of the true roman latin language. and they also hate to admit Argentinian pizzas are better LAMO. last one is a joke. dont get mad hahaha. as my grandpa used to say.. : en italia te discuten a muerte pero nunca pelean , cuando vine a argentina me di cuenta que discutir a un desconocido implica terminar con varios dientes menos, por eso los italianos debimos adaptarnos a ser mas educados y menos torpes brutos o bruscos. Mucho le falt al italiano que no viajò para darse cuenta que el mundo no gira alrededor de su pueblo

    • @iota-09
      @iota-09 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShadowlordDio ah note that italians don't hate english, it's just that we suck at it, last i checked we had one of the lowest amounts of english speakers in our country compared to europe as well as one of the highest levels of functional illiterates.
      they simply don't know any better.

  • @GH-nn6jt
    @GH-nn6jt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Please you Italians, don’t change for anything in the world.

  • @elebab1
    @elebab1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just wanted to say that as an Italian I really really appreciated your pov and the way you talked about it in a very respectful and kind way. Also not related but you look very pretty

  • @dailtes
    @dailtes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    as an Italian, I find rude not to say sorry when bumping into someone. I always say it even in a rush, maybe waving a hand.

  • @Hastdupech8509
    @Hastdupech8509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When we learn English teachers often repeat to say please much more often then we'd do in Italian. I definitely agree that in English please's, excuse me's and sorry's are much more used to the point that sometimes I think that's just an exaggeration, but as you said, it's just different cultures, we just have to get used to it

    • @ShadowlordDio
      @ShadowlordDio ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i am from argentina with italian family. in fact italians lack the politeness of other countries due to their culture being stuck in rude ways from ancient times and not evolving to reach peace with foreigners. my italian uncle lived for 40 years in Argentina and when we traveles to Rome we asked for a coffee in a place and roman guy was rude askinf "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" and said we shouldnt be asking for a cofee at 11 am. you must ot be from here... my uncle ITALIAN said, "firstly, say hello, what do you need sir?, secondly, you dont have the autorithy to tell me what to drink or eat and in what hour of the day, thirdly i am paying for what i want and you should just work without opinon, and finally as an italian i now know what tourists suffer when they come to my country. then we left and the guy said some insults to my old uncle so i took him by the neck and told him that in my country we dont forgive irrespectful pricks and he started to apologize etc. my uncle laughing...said this romans are allwords and get scared of being punched. we left the place and some tourists were clapping hands and leaving too

    • @gabrielesantucci6189
      @gabrielesantucci6189 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ShadowlordDio Tu vedi troppi films!!! Ahahahah 🤣

  • @caseycamachoperez7774
    @caseycamachoperez7774 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Most Italians are good people but I’ve never met so many blatantly disrespectful people in any country like I’ve encountered in Italy
    I once tried to check into a hotel and they said to call them so that they can unlock the front door. I don’t speak Italian but I tried to speak to them in 4 languages (English, Spanish, German, Mandarin) and they hung up on me because I don’t speak Italian

  • @flowerfairy1950
    @flowerfairy1950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When we lived on Magnetic Island, Queensland we used to eat at a pizzeria run by an aurhentic Italian who refused point blank to change any pizza or food as presented. NEVER pineapple (which we would NEVER eat on Pizza anyway).

    • @DaveJ6515
      @DaveJ6515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ... and all those artificial ingredients that never belonged on a pizza in the first place ... (Frank Zappa)

    • @tjaspire
      @tjaspire 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love pineapple on pizza! It is sweet and savory.

  • @nutritionistamandalane6485
    @nutritionistamandalane6485 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember last time I was in Rome, I was on the train and said 'permesso' to get past people so I could get off and everyone turned and looked at me so it was obvious to me that must have been weird to say? 😅

    • @tic-tacdrin-drinn1505
      @tic-tacdrin-drinn1505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why do you think that it was weird from people to look at you? They were just considering the situation. Would you have preferred to be ignored? Saying "permesso" was the right thing to do.

  • @queenofwands2965
    @queenofwands2965 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Totally understand your experiences. I'm from India and visited Italy as a solo traveller in 2018 summer. I experienced a slight bit of rudeness in Florence cafes which was new to me since in India ppl are very warm. I found an indian restaurant and stuck to it mostly. My worst experience was in Rome in a bus where I faced racism from an old lady. There were some Aussies too on that bus who came to my rescue🙂. No hard feelings Italy is a beautiful country but social behaviour can be a dampener🙏

    • @mauropatrizi6846
      @mauropatrizi6846 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I am from Rome. Sorry for people who never learnt how to be in the world. There are many who think the world spins around them. Thank you for visiting my country.

    • @ilcontegianuarius7544
      @ilcontegianuarius7544 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Abbi pazienza, ma le persone anziane non sono succubi del politicamente corretto.

    • @Laurelin70
      @Laurelin70 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ilcontegianuarius7544 Il politicamente corretto non c'entra niente. Si tratta di essere educati e rispettosi verso tutti, di qualunque colore, etnia, genere o assenza dello stesso, età, ecc.

  • @jorehir
    @jorehir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    1 - Prople just don't want you to eat shit in their restaurants.
    2 - Some might not care about bumping into you and saying sorry, but most do. I see no difference with the Anglo countries i've been in.
    3 - Totally true. That's something Italians should defintely work on.

  • @stefanolucchini5492
    @stefanolucchini5492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Maybe we are too proud of our heritage, in terms of arts and culture we outshine any country in the western culture. Having said that, we are also overacting, loud, rowdy and overconfident verging on rudeness, I was born and raised here and still find it difficult to put up with my fellow country people...

    • @sublita
      @sublita 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mi sembra presuntuoso dire che in arte e cultura eclissiamo gli altri paesi occidentali. Anche perché io noto in realtà un degrado e sporco pazzesco nel nostro paese e quando vado in vacanza, scelgo in genere l'estero per la cura estetica maggiore degli ambienti, strade, parchi, edifici, ecc

    • @stefanolucchini5492
      @stefanolucchini5492 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sublita C'era un ministro che diceva che l'Italia possedeva il 70 % del patrimonio culturale occidentale, non so fino a che punto sia vero ma a prescindere dalla statistica è generalmente tenuto male ed in degrado. La mia osservazione riguardava soli gli aspetti comportamentali, per il resto anche io preferisco andare all'estero dove c'è una maggiore educazione ed il patrimonio artistico, poco o tanto che sia, viene valorizzato meglio.

    • @sublita
      @sublita 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stefanolucchini5492 esattamente! Questa cosa che hai scritto ora la sottoscrivo al 100%. Per farti un esempio: una casa bellissima, costruita anche solo 30 anni fa, se non mantenuta e lasciata andare non sarà più considerata tale. Lo stesso ragionamento vale per le antichità quando non restaurate o non valorizzate, essendo immerse in un contesto di palazzine anni '60 fatiscenti, strade rotte cinte da erbacce e tutto ciò che ha deturpato il nostro paese. Pensando di vivere per sempre dei fasti che furono e dei "punti forti" abbiamo trascurato il resto che costituisce, purtroppo, gran parte del territorio. E un giudizio va dato sull'aspetto complessivo, non solo sulle cose belle

    • @giulianoilfilosofo7927
      @giulianoilfilosofo7927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sublita Non so che Paesi tu abbia visitato o da quale parte del nostro Paese tu provenga, ma Francamente mi Sembra l'opposto, il nostro paese e' molto meglio tenuto di gran parte dei nostri vicini Europei, esci dal centro di Parigi o di Londra o di Berlino e ti renderai conto di che cosa e' veramente il degrado. Oltretutto e' un fatto che l'Italia sia un paese superiore agli equivalenti occidentali sotto l'aspetto storico, artistico e culturale, e anche loro lo riconoscono. Basta leggere un libro, non Serve farne un dibattito. Poi se sei una di quelle persone che Si scandalizza per una busta per terra in una grande citta' o perche' la spazzatura viene raccolta In ritardo, ti Consiglio un corso accelerato di vita in Cina per un anno, o una passeggiata per le strade di Manhattan il primo mattino quando ai Lati delle strade ci sono letteralmente montagne di spazzatura che vengono rimosse. Ovviamente ci sono i casi disperati Tipo Alcune aree periferiche di Roma e Milano o Alcune citta' del meridione. Ma non mi Sembra vi sia questa grande differenza tra il lerciume di Barcellona o Amsterdam e il lerciume di Roma, dove mi sono trasferito da poco.

    • @sublita
      @sublita 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@giulianoilfilosofo7927 se non vedi l'orrore delle palazzine anni 70 che ci circondano con tanto di reti di contenimento dei balconi in ogni strada, marciapiedi rotti pieni di sterpaglie e roba arrugginita ovunque, anche tralasciando il discorso spazzatura, beh, ti consiglio una visita dall'ottico. Il sud è tutto così, non so dove vivi tu. Tieni presente che ho molto senso estetico sia sul verde che sugli edifici,ho visitato le città più belle del mondo e so distinguere il bello dal brutto

  • @antonioumberto7617
    @antonioumberto7617 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Believe me, nobody is going to hate you in Italy...you are way too gorgeous

  • @smitthone
    @smitthone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    sorry, no vegemite on pizza. Forbidden.

  • @wheres_bears1378
    @wheres_bears1378 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Italians in Italy are rude I have been there many times because I have relatives there, massive difference to the Italian migrants that came to Australia back in the day

  • @dinartlk780
    @dinartlk780 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    But i am from Sri Lanka.. Italy people so great and very nice country

  • @i4gotchai4gotcha57
    @i4gotchai4gotcha57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Born and living in Italy, but never heard suggestions about beer insead of wine with pizza

  • @Neveriano
    @Neveriano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Da italiano ti posso dire che da fastidio anche a me quando mi parlano sopra.... è una cosa che odio, dovremmo cambiare da quel punto di vista.

  • @hrisiatanasova3622
    @hrisiatanasova3622 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hiii, I am planing to go to Italy and i am very worried that as my Italian is very basic I might not find friends I really hope you can tell me about your experience.

    • @antonioanania6960
      @antonioanania6960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hellow I'm Italian. We Italian are very friendly and very curios about other people's experience. Don't worry...you'll find friends!
      Important thing: DON'T SAY, NEVER SAY, PINAPPLE PIZZA IS GOOD.Its a trauma for us! ahahhahahhah

    • @Hastdupech8509
      @Hastdupech8509 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The Italians will be quite proud of you learning our language, not many do it and we can't afford to be as snobby as the inhabitants of the capital city of some certain transalpine baguette-loving country. Hope you'll come and enjoy your time here as this covid stuff is over!

    • @maddalenapierini4203
      @maddalenapierini4203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The important thing is that you try! Italians do appreciate when someone puts real effort to learn their language! You're gonna have fun, you're gonna have friends💜 at first it's gonna be challenging but it's completely normal! Come out of your comfort zone! You won't regret it 💪🏼🍀

    • @ilcontegianuarius7544
      @ilcontegianuarius7544 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Se vieni come turista sei la benvenuta.

    • @tjaspire
      @tjaspire 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can't wait to go home. Italians are unfriendly. Which is a shame, because I had always dreamed of coming here. Don't plan on coming back.

  • @andreaorofalo
    @andreaorofalo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Italian rudeness is surely relative: if you are from Australia you would notice that very easily. If you are from China or Czech Republic maybe you won't. So we can say that it depends from the place you come from. Waiter or waitress: most of the time, they won't treat you as you may expect. Some time they will even treat you...bad! Again: if I am in Rome and I am having dinner in a local rough trattoria...well, that's actually what I expect and I even appreciate it (!). Maybe in Milan in a very fashionable restaurant...it would be out of place. For sure italy doens't offer international neutral soulless service standards. Or maybe is beginning to do that...we'll see. Great video by the way! Thank you for sharing your very interesting views!

    • @tjaspire
      @tjaspire 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not relative. I also feel the same way, and I am not an Aussie. Even offending potential customers. Glad to get out of here!

  • @andyczack6652
    @andyczack6652 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do agree about 2 out of 3 (first and last). About the apology for rubbing shoulders, not so much. I mean, if I step on your foot or literally bump into you, i'm definitely going to apologise to you, about the rubbing shoulders, it really depends on the situation: if, say, the passage is narrow , or perhaps a small sidewalk or something the likes, we might rub shoulders and maybe we both didn't really mind or gave too much weight doing that (not implying anything here, *wink *wink), we simply didn't make it a big deal, although I do understand it's very cultural (for Italians, contact with other ppl is not so much startling, compared to other cultures I guess). Oh, and that is true, before this world-wide Corona virus situation, ofc. At present, we are much more aware about distancing :D

  • @ShadowlordDio
    @ShadowlordDio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i am from argentina with italian family. in fact italians lack the politeness of other countries due to their culture being stuck in rude ways from ancient times and not evolving to reach peace with foreigners. my italian uncle lived for 40 years in Argentina and when we traveles to Rome we asked for a coffee in a place and roman guy was rude askinf "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" and said we shouldnt be asking for a cofee at 11 am. you must ot be from here... my uncle ITALIAN said, "firstly, say hello, what do you need sir?, secondly, you dont have the autorithy to tell me what to drink or eat and in what hour of the day, thirdly i am paying for what i want and you should just work without opinon, and finally as an italian i now know what tourists suffer when they come to my country. then we left and the guy said some insults to my old uncle so i took him by the neck and told him that in my country we dont forgive irrespectful pricks and he started to apologize etc. my uncle laughing...said this romans are allwords and get scared of being punched. we left the place and some tourists were clapping hands and leaving too

  • @al_just_al2195
    @al_just_al2195 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    women walk behind a man when on the street

    • @Laurelin70
      @Laurelin70 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't say bulls*it.

  • @spartanwarrior706
    @spartanwarrior706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    italians just do everything better

    • @earlmyname4257
      @earlmyname4257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sometimes

    • @earlmyname4257
      @earlmyname4257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately we are very ignorant as well. 1st in Europe for n of people not studying!!! And maybe that s why they seems rude.

    • @spartanwarrior706
      @spartanwarrior706 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@earlmyname4257 we are the best at being ignorant as well

    • @earlmyname4257
      @earlmyname4257 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@spartanwarrior706 true

    • @francescoflore4521
      @francescoflore4521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@earlmyname4257 Si vede che viaggi poco.

  • @kallekalleidos8215
    @kallekalleidos8215 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    carino anche questo video :)in questo momento l'Italia parla e gesticola commossa e felice è appena arrivata la notizia della liberazione di Silvia Romano la ragazza milanese rapita nel 2018 in Kenya i balconi a Milano stanno sorridendo :)

    • @kaijalove
      @kaijalove  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Che bello!!