1963 Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray vs. 2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - Generation Gap: Corvettes
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This week on Generation Gap, Matt and Davin face a tough decision between the undeniable classic style and rarity of the 1963 Split Window Corvette and the modern convenience and power of the 2007 Corvette Z06. Which would you choose?
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This is really stupid, Old School will always win, why? Because a mint classic car will always be 100 times more interesting than modern cars, because you see 100 million 90's to 2000's Corvettes/Miatas on the road, when's the last time you see a split window corvette on your way to the groceries or a Thunderbird?
I was just thinking that
Yup... Whats next? Jag E-Type vs F-Type? Just plain stupid...
Maybe add a "budget" to this and it gets interesting...
In the future it will be the same for the 2007 one.
True
I have never seen a split in person..... good point...
WOW, Love all the clueless trolls in the comments. GM and quality don't go together? Explain that to my 1998 suburban with 200,000+ miles.. I swear some people are just so clueless......
My dad's astro van has 236000 miles on it and It towed a hitch camper
1963 Corvette Split window all the way. The style it has is undeniable. The Z06 is cool, but as soon as the next generation comes out, the previouse generation becomes in a way, obsolete. Youll have to wait 50+ years for someone to appreciate it again, where as the stingray already stood the test of time, something that cant be said about other vettes.
Well said
The c6 corvette is made of plastic and it looks like it. The interior is a bit bland, but at least the power is good. The 1963 Corvette is the greatest Corvette model year of all time, so how can they compare?
***** Wow, you can't say anything on the internet nowadays without some kid raging out because you have a different opinion. The body is not made of any sort of aluminium, that's the chassis. Carbon fibre is also a plastic composite. I've worked with the material before, the main constituents are carbon weave and plastic based resin, which is the only material that gives carbon fibre its solid quality. The interior is not leather, it's again a plastic based vinyl which simulates leather, and the rest is cheap plastic. And to answer your question, clearly you give a fuck if you went out of your way to reply with such an angry comment. Something to learn on the internet at your age is that using angry words in your comment doesn't make you any more intimidating on someone else's screen, "that just shows how stupid people like you are" to quote you perfectly.
A bit bland? Fucking shit
123MRWAZZUP It's bad, but on the topic of mid naughties american muscle, the dodge viper interior is much worse.
Alfred Munkenbeck Wrong comment. All cars good! No worst!!!
Fiberglass*
Never before have I ever been more torn between two beautiful machines
I paused and started laughing a bit too loud when he said "Stopping is overrated". That was the most hilarious thing I've heard in years, hands down.
"This episode we are talking Corvette's".....Of course you are because MotorTrend is proudly sponsored by GM.....
LOL!
Corvettes aren't even that good it's just that they act like fast cars and the only good one is probably the ZR1
HHZL123 "Good" isn't really a measure of speed in the Corvette's case, they just look badass and sound mean. That's an objective they've upheld since the C1.
At least, they sponsor classic cars. Here in France, Citroen, Renault, Peugeot don't give any single f*ck about what they produced even 15 years ago...
***** Largely because they haven't produced anything interesting in the last 15 years. Citroen still talks about the DS as the car equivalent of the baby Jesus.
Love both, but split window all day.......
We're just watching the " development " of a piece of shit over 44 years.
david's comment on a-to-b transportation!!! nailed it! get the bus!! and clean up the roads for us that want to enjoy driving!
the 63 is just so damn Iconic. its a head turner, you see a newer vette and its just another car. granted it does win in the performance department hands down, but the styling is very plain jane.
I agree one of the best looking Corvettes made.
Lets be serious here. The Chevrolet Corvette from 1963 through 1979 was a muscle car, 1954 theough 1962, and 1980 through the present day, it is a sports car. Everyone (mostly) loves the muscle car version of the Chevrolet Corvette! Like this comment if you agree!
No car with IRS will be a muscle car in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. The corvette was never a muscle car, just sounds like one, but outperforms in handing do to the IRS, the new ones are only getting more complex.
very true, when Chevy brought the Vette back in '84 handling was increased significantly, I always laugh when motor trend compares the Vette to the Mustang as the Camaro is a direct competitor.
Great comment, but I personally prefer a classier car all day. In this case for Corvette 1953-1982 all the way. I will say that 1978-1982 ESPECIALLY 1980-1982 are "IFFY" based on BODYWORK but would still take those years over ANY C4 vette, even the "ZR1"
in my opinion definitely a better episode than the first. the host seemed to have more fun doing this show than the last
"No car should be only about A to B transportation." - Wise man!
I like this show because both presenters are polite and civilized. Well done!
When someone says they have a Corvette the last question on my mind is " Id it a split window?" The first thing on my mind is... What generation? The Next question is... What have you done to it?
This show is growing on me. I like how on this episide they both agree the old and new Corvettes are Superior Vehicles!!!!
These generation gap series are boring. At least make them fun. Please
If you don't like them, don't watch them. I'm really enjoying these episodes and I've seen comments of other people saying the same thing.
I agree with you this show is boring as hell.... Why they have these guys idk, the round table talks were way more interesting to hear about what the editors at motor trend and hotrod thought about topics in the industry.
the concept of the show is interesting, the hosts are the problem
Why oh why didn't you compare the classic sting ray with the NEW STING RAY!?
The Z06 is better.
1963 was a good year, that's when Bill M. first designed the back end for the future 1971 Riviera......gotta love it!!!
As awesome as modern cars are you need more people like Matt or was it David - who will preserve and cherish this older classic cars and keep them running and bring them back to their former glory
The 63 is my favorite vette. That said, the Z06 is just pure bad ass!
I know the newer one would be a hell of a lot faster but man, that 63's got so much style man. Love the split window. If I could have either I think I would prefer to rumble around in the 60's vette!
Now if it was Stingray vs the new Stingray it would be more of a fight..
I'm a proud owner of a 2014 C7 Torch Red Stingray. I've always appreciated Corvette for what it was-just not enough though to purchase one (until the C7's came out). But I've always said, "Give me a '63 Split Window and I can die a happy man."
Rtvoll+ I had a 93 silverado with the 350, single cab, stepside bed, smurf blue, and got itself 284,000 miles as a work truck. Those 90's silverados really are bullet proof.
My favorite year corvette is probably either 58 or 62. Simply beautiful cars.
Jenna Jamison is putting out more videos than M.T., and she's retired
the split window corvette is the most beautifull one they ever made. for me, there is no question how is better.
i cant believe some people removed there split window.
The nostalgic 63 split window coupe takes the cake. The Z06 is so much faster/maneuverable, there's no question about it the Z06 is the best. Perhaps in fifty years or so the Z06 will be looked upon as a classic. Which one do i like best? I can't choose.
Motor Trend, please do not cancel this show, you don't even have to get new hosts. Give them ideas and let them know if they don't develop some chemistry quick and make the show exciting, then kindly put them back behind a computer writing articles instead of in front of a camera.
This video is MUCH better than the first one. Theyre doing less little nit picky stupid complaining. It also feels like theyre more connected. So hopefully it just keeps getting better.
As much as i am a Corvette guy, I would definitely choose the 63 Split Window for numerous reasons and they are as stated below :
1. The 63 is very popular and iconic that it started it all
2. Better built than the Z06, You feel that you have a car built by high end materials against the plastic Z06
3. As seen in the video how the 63 shakes when it idling just makes you feel you are riding a Muscle car
4. And not mentioning how many very special options were available to the C2 like the Big Tank & the L88 & choose between a 3 or 4 speed which isn't available on today's Vette's feels a bit num.
The Z06 :
1. I do like it as well for its NA with 505 Hp and that exhaust note is very cool
2. Love the rear fat tires
3. And i also dig how wide it is with those muscular body lines
4. Reasonably priced as well, But i hate the plastic interior and the rear bumper
5. As much as its modern i would like to see some options at an extra cost to make it look more appealing and an example of which is to have the rear plastic diffuser in Carbon Fiber as well as the front splitter.
6. I also like the fact the Z06 is nimble and closer to the ground but hey were in 2007 when it was released so you kinda understand.
7. The only fact the is the best for the Z06 and i am sure everyone will agree on is that now that the C7/Z07 came out the Z06 is started to go down in prices were you can go and grab a beauty for almost less than half the original cost compared to the 63 Split window reaching 6 Figures !
1963 Corvette Stingray all the way, its history and its very rare and a wonderful piece of engineering.
Ok....ok....maybe I over stepped the mark a little with my post.....That 63 is drop dead gorgeous.
i cant choose between two absolutely awesome cars, this is so not fair
Then I'll chose for you, the 63 is better.
Recently sold a 63 fulie, red convertible. ....drove like a truck, hot and difficult to tune. ..but it looks beautiful when parked....have 2008 Z06, yellow, loaded. ...perfect American sports car.....but the old 63 fulie cost twice as much. ...In 30 years I think even 3 to 5 times as much. ...One for show and one for go.......
52 dislikes? Am I the only person who just enjoyed watching this??
Love them both! BUT, nothing beats an American classic. It's a whole different feeling.
Of couse its the 63 that takes it away, I mean come on who cares if you cant see out from the back, its a Corvette, you leave everyone in the dust with that!
That 1963 Vette is a work of art, I would love to stare at it all day in my garage!
I'd rather have the c6 but I admire the split window!
Not these 2 guys again...
The Stingray from 63 is a beast!!!
I usually like the old ones but, going fast is looking good.
The 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray is the best looking Corvette but the Z06 is the perfect package ... impossible to make a choice :x
This the thing I dread as the cars we drool over today(Z06, ZL1, CTS-V, M3, M5, AMGs, GTRs, GT3s, 458s, etc.). What happens when all the CPU and software becomes obsolete? It's not like an older classic, where rebuilding a carb or replacing points on the dist is still an easy proposition. Time will make the way cars are built very different in the not so distant future. Technology will render many things obsolete in an older CPU controlled vehicle. Perhaps the future of classic car restorers will be making and refurbishing outdated CPUs for certain classics, leaving other not so collectible models out in the cold.
If an engine or powertrain is popular enough among enthusiasts, there's going to be an aftermarket for it. There are companies that make CPUs for fairly recent car engines, as the stock ones can't take much tuning. Something as common as the Chevy small block is likely one of the engines that'll be well supported in the future.
As for reliability, electronics have no moving parts. Unless they have bad electrolytic capacitors inside (a big plague of it around 2000), there's likely nothing else to go bad with age. Provided there's no flood damage, some idiot miswiring stuff, or some idiot jump starting the car wrong, the CPU is likely to outlast mechanical parts of that car in terms of functioning as intended.
If you can't find the ECU/CPU for an older car, it's possible to use something like MegaSquirt. The problem in that case has to do with state regulations regarding emissions, not one of getting the car to run.
Maybe if we're lucky a future version of a "generic/tunable" ECU will support OBD-II or whatever standard will be current at the time?
I suppose the only real problem remaining for electronics may be the BCU, particularly if you want to keep a car in stock form. Those things control dashboards, door chimes, factory stereo, power door locks, etc. and tend to be fairly specific to the model, trim level, and even certain RPO codes.
Corvette is Corvette no matter what and those tow cars stands out of the bunch. Love them both.
Z06 for the win
The Split-window is my favorite car of all time. I wouldn't mind owning the z06 either though.
The 1963 Corvette Stingray Convertible wins. It is iconic not only as a car but as TV star on Route 66.
Not fair! Split window stingray is soo cool and sooo rare.
The categories for comparison are stacked in favor of the older car, how can you feel nostalgia in something new?
I think we should change the name from Motor Trend to Make the Old People Happy.
You got that right.
1963... because I have the body to one of them... waiting for a few thousand more considering it needs to be restored. Bought it off of my uncle, executor of my other uncle who has wanted to restore it since the 1980s, but he passed away.
Hunter Smith don't get me wrong though. I'd definitely take the c6 too.
63 corvette split window is my absolute favorite chevy
Hands down the mopar was my personal winner but the whole game could've changed if you had the M3 GTR.
Split windows I love them. Mustangs are nice to not todays mustangs but the older ones
Also one year only on C2 Corvettes' are the instruments, with the angled needles in the gauges. And a vast improvement over the C1 kingpin front suspension.
Two guys down the road from me have them. One has a red Z06 and another has a 1966 Sting Ray (along with a 1960 Corvette)
It all depends on what you want. If you want to go fast, it's the Z06. If you want to look good, get the sting ray.
I have a 2013 C6Z. I wouldn't trade it for anything else right now...except for maybe a McLaren 720p...The Z06 is super fast, extremely practical, and the parts prices are 1/3 to 1/5 that of a German car. For example, brake pads & rotors for all 4 wheels? About $700 delivered via RockAuto. AC condenser? $199 via the dealer.. New front rim (base Q10) is $520 with core return. Again, not cheap. But, compared to other 200 mph super cars? Very reasonable. And, I've got over 60K on mine and it's been, so far, as reliable as the best from Asia..Can't say enough good things about this car. It's totally underrated....imo...
I'm watching the ad before the video and already I'd take the 63 Split..
C6: For The Power, Going To The Track.
C2: Taking A Nice Cruise By The Beach.
Tough Decision For Me.
would be nice to have the '63 for a sunday cruiser, and the Z06 for a everyday driver.
This video is way better then the first!
2:38 o.O it still beggars belief that a 7L V8 can be considered a 'small block'. Yes I know they come from a small block casting, etc. but last I heard 7L wasn't small.
Small in size, not in power!
Now if only the 427 LS-7 was actually affordable... hah!
Sorry MT guys. When I think iconic Corvette, I think Z06. It's development comes directly from the C5-R and the C6-R that relentlessly won race after race so much so that no one wanted to race against them in the ALMS, and they were forced to drop down a level, just to find other cars to race against. The Z06 has better brakes, acceleration, handling, and more efficient. I do like the classic Stingray, but the ultimate iconic Corvette is the zed-ought-six (Z06).
I think personally that the best cars were built from the early 30's to the late 60's also 63' corvette is by far my favorvite muscle car ever made
keep going with these.... Car lovers dont care what car's as long as we talk about Cars.
Put the 63 body on the Z06 chassis and you got the best of the same worlds.
Looks and performance. The Z06 looks good, but there's nothing like a 60's Stingray
Matt should have brought a ZR1 instead.
Still wouldn't have won
that was a pretty good episode. i would go with the 63 as well. i love the z, but i would never tire of seeing the 63's silhouette in my garage.
It's tough to beat the old school. I agree with the result.
I was all excited to see the 63' vs. 2014 but alas, that is not the case
The 67 427 would of been a better car to compare to the zo6. Because that's were they got the idea of the zo6 from the 67 427. Good show
Get the Carbon package for the Z06 and the Centennial Edition pack for it too.
my question is on how many of the trolls on here commenting actually own a corvette? I grew up in the 4th gen I have a 4th gen. I love it, its a blast im sure the new Ferrari inspired ones are too I haven't driven one yet but each generation of cars brings a different feeling and excitement to drive. regulations have killed the styling of cars today that's a fact, but if corvettes suck so bad why is everyone using it as a benchmark to beat?
I really enjoy this series!
i miss the days of tuning a car with a timing light, dwell meter and a screw driver. but my 2008 smart only needed 10 oil changes, 3 spark plugs and one air filter and no tune ups in 57K miles. got 50+ MPGs driving 14 miles in 40 minutes (crappy rush hour traffic) how any car can go a mile on a shot glass of gas is beyond me!
Matt really reminds me of Randy from Trailer Park Boys.
I thought it was great. To have two great Corvettes. And have them with many years of different technology. Beween the two of them.Talking about any Corvette, makes me feel great.
I feel like the main reason The old hot rod always wins is due to the fact that there are ALOT of roadkill fans on this channel. (Me being one myself) I may be wrong, just my assumption.
Gotta go with the '63 and absolutely nothing to do with it being my birth year either. :)
As an owner of a 2007 Z06, I'm a *little* bias. But regardless of that, I always thought the C2 was kinda overrated. Sure, it looks good, but it doesn't look "sports car good". It doesn't look fast or nimble, like it wants you to hop in and do something stupidly fun. It looks more like it wants take a trip to the supermarket, then come back home for some more sunbathing. All show and no go. Sorry, that's just how I feel.
Now if it was a 1969 Stingray, that would be a different story. Especially if it had the ZL1 package. As far as looks go, the C3 was definitely my favorite design, though the C7 runs a very close second.
You gotta apply a little generational thinking. In 1963 Americans drove big, heavy, slow cars. The C2 was light, it had IRS, in 66' you could get disc brakes, and the Hi Po 327 was powerful for the period. Back then this was THE American canyon carver. It was this or you went to England or Italy and most people really didn't trust those care because they didn't know anything about them. Hell, some people thought IRS was stupid!
I agree with DH Bennett, you're looking at the C2 with 21st century eyes.
It isn't about that the C6 lost even though it's a 100 times better in every performance category. It's because the C2 is truly legendary. The people who owned one back in the day, the men who raced them, the movies, TV shows and songs that showcased them. Any Corvette has a tough act to follow because the C2 was and still is the Corvette which made it into a world class competitor. It's the Corvette that started all the imagine enjoyed by the model today. as DH stated, 1st with IRS, 1st with 4 wheel disc, introduced big block power to consumers and was the 1st Corvette to offer hardtop or roadster versions. When Chevy got serious with making the Corvette a true world class sportscar and racing hero, the C2 was in the thick of it all. That's something that can never be taken away from it's legacy.
Lol try to get parts for the 63 vette! I would own the 2007 and i would just buy more parts, cheaper, and funner
Finding parts for any corvette back to the 50's is as easy as google searching the 1,500 companies that build them. But that's not the point. The car is THE car. I actually posted on someone else's tread that the 07' is a better buy. Regardless, the C2 is ENDLESSLY cooler.
DH Bennett
The same applies to the C3, yet it still managed to look the part(even when it was putting up some truly pathetic numbers in certain model years). I respect the fact that the C2 was the first "real" Corvette, and for its time it was magnificence personified. But, in my opinion, park one next to a C3 and it'll disappear. I can appreciate "classical beauty" and all that, but I like my sports cars to look like sports cars.
Let me put it this way. If I wanted a collector's item to sit in a climate controlled garage and show off a car show every now and then, I'd go for the C2. But for a classic that I would actually want to drive, C3 all the way.
Z06 for driving, '63 for looking at.
On the livability category, why were 2 absurdly huge points missing?...
1. The Z06 has a trunk that opens. I repeat it has a trunk that opens while the split window does not. How could this point be overlooked?
2. The tuning segment was a pretty good argument that could have gone on. On the one hand, you don't need special equipment to tune the stingray. It's pretty much the same tuning technique for any old small block. It's extremely simple yet, the Z06 can also be argued is simple. Just buy a computer program and you can tune however you want with the touch a button. Despite the obvious efficiency difference, the argument for tuning ease could really go either way.
On top of this, bringing a split window isn't fair. The split window is the most iconic vette and wins hands down. They could have brought any other stingray from the same model generation to have a better comparison. You say the Z06 was the most powerful vette up to that time, why not then bring the most powerful stringray from its same model generation?
I'll take the Z06 on a track, but the Sting Ray to live with everyday. I just feel really sorry for someone 30 years from now who owns the Z06 when its ECM or some other electronics go Tango Uniform.
This is much improved over Episode 1. Keep 'em coming!
Thanks Erik! I have hope for the future of computerized cars simply because we are seeing more and more open source computing platforms in mainstream devices. In thirty years, I could see you plugging in some cell phone sized device with a completely custom engine management system on board when you go to drive your Z06. - Matt
***** That is a good thing to hope for. I'd like to see the aftermarket making programmable ECUs with custom or swappable plugs for modern computerized cars.
I'd also like to see new car OEMs using open source/open standards computer systems like the powerful Arduino platform to car engine management systems, but I don't hold my breath for an OEM designing obsolesence out of their cars :) I know I would, but that's me. I would build a car with the expectation that it will be driven pretty much indefinitely.
you would live with a carb everyday? I guess you'v never done that before. after a few months you'll be begging for your FI back
Handsom B Wonderful I have experience with carburetors. My 1965 T-bird has one. No big deal. Roadkill's Frieburger and Finnegan had a carbureted smallblock Ford all the way up to Alaska in stupid-cold weather and, yeah, it was hard to start, but it wasn't a huge problem.
I don't mind fiddling a little to make something work. Carburetors are a pain, sure, but they aren't unlivable.
Erik Warnes Total non issue, the aftermarket for the LSx engines are almost as huge as the '55-92 small block, hell, you can even run a carb setup on one or go with a complete aftermarket EFI setup, MSD makes a near plug and play system that has the ECM in the fuel rails.
Has the be the '63 split window, it's too iconic, when will the old car not lose? Never.
I must agree with a statement made in roadkill 'If you can't strike up a conversation at the gas pump with your fellow man about your car your doing something wrong'
If it wasn't for that the new car would win hands down. Having said that I prefer the Z06 because at the end of the day I want a drivers car.
Collectability would play to the C6 Z06 as well, because it's the last naturally-aspirated Z06, with that wounderful 7.0l Ls7 V8... I love the old, but rather own the new
As much as I love the looks of the '63 split window, my heart tells me Z06. It's all about that LS-3!
LS-7?
Sorry, forgot the new c7 gets the ls9, not ls7. My bad!
You're wrong too the c7 gets the LT-1
;_;
Should drag race the two vehicles in future episodes.
"Hello this is generation gap , our first episode was shit, so we've decided to make second one even worse" Motor Trend , get rid of this bullshit !!!
Such horrible chemistry between the two, hard to watch
I would like to see some of the rationale included about how this one vs that one stack up against its competition of their respective day.
i also want to see some track action, like a '68 GT40 vs the Ford GT!
that rear window looks cool period
I'd be convinced but I fell asleep 8 minutes ago.
C pillar, that really was pretty good.
I love corvettes. Have one. Love it. The 2007 is a great corvette. Mine is a TPI '85 Corvette, computers have a place, I get the original small block rumble,but it starts when its cold and gets great mileage. it also has 230,000 miles. However, for sheer style and beauty you just cant beat the 1963..
I bet this happens every time: old car is more interesting, characterful, better looking but the new car is safer, more reliable and better when compared by stats alone