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Hey man, thanks for these videos. If you read this I was wondering if you could make a video on the Longyou Caves sometime? Thanks! Few interesting links below although I dunno about the machining and psuedoscience narrative but very interesting place nonetheless: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674775515300950 www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/longyoucaves.html www.heritagedaily.com/2020/08/the-mystery-of-the-longyou-caves/134874 www.atlasobscura.com/places/longyou-caves
The advancement of ship rigging technology is what allowed these massive weights to be moved around with relative ease, by rolling them on Lebanese cedar which has a crushing strength of 6090 pounds per square inch. Multiple crews would work in parallel on a single stone using a combination of hitch knots, crude wooden gears, capstans or massive wooden transmission wheels driven by people walking inside of them like a hamster wheel. The Oxford Handbook of Engineering and Technology in the Classical World will shed some more insight on the technology, which was *adopted* in those times from rediscovered pre-history. Just look at the amazing works of Ismail al-Jazari. Watch this video, it explains everything, just scale it all up to fit the job. th-cam.com/video/FkEguRSvW30/w-d-xo.html
As for cutting out this stones, yes it's only limestone but they likely make the process much faster using acids derived from fermentation of iron pyrite or even just simple vinegar concentrated via various means, like distilling it from copper acetate. I'll remind you of a research paper I pointed you to a couple years ago: On the reddish glittery mud the Inca used for perfecting their stone masonry Cheers Matt!
@@AncientArchitects @ 01:55 you say you are open to new ideas and theories, yet i keep kindly trying to point out you are pronouncing Ptolemaic wrong. Its P'TOLEMAIC, I praise your videos but you're doing my OCD in now lol, heres how say it Ptolemy and Ptolemaic th-cam.com/video/Fz4Jjax2rWc/w-d-xo.html please.....pleeeeeease 😂😂
@@theRhinsRanger Yeah, I had already recorded this video a couple of days ago! I might always say "tolemaic" now to wind you up! Haha. No, I'm not that cruel.
you've uncovered something amazing here Matt , how have massive items like this simply been ignored by the mainstream , why is no one talking about them . It would be interesting to get a close up of the process involved in the excavation , are there scoop marks like the ones at the unfinished obelisk at Aswan , did they use hammers and chisels or pounding stones for the extraction ,and what made them stop so abruptly half way through the job . More fascinating stuff to ponder on , you're putting some incredible effort in just lately , i'm loving the recent line of videos ,great one again , Thanks for the video .
Incredible finds, aside from binge watching all of Brien Foerster’s videos I love watching your videos because they delve deeper into the enigmatic structures around the world, keep up the great work man!
Brien foersters videos are amazing, he shows so much megalithic stuff that you would never normally see, but take his commentary with a grain of salt, and keep in mind the possibility of the use of geopolymers
Hi Matt, great video I was interested in the unfinished stone columns you briefly mentioned in the vid and was wondering if you have any more information on them or could do a video on how they made perfectly round stone columns... there doesn’t seem to be much out there on the methods they used, and I find it really fascinating, thanks
Shape the block to your desired depth, width and height. As you cut underneath the giant stone block use enough good rope to hold that segment and continue chiseling away beneath the block to seperate it. Once the block is seperated from its foundation, using a well constructed pully system you can stand that block up or move it onto a bunch of logs to pull it to where you want it to be, it may be easier to have strong wooden logs placed underneath once the stone block is raised to just above ground level.
Always fascinating to see your work. I think it would be a big accomplishment for the channel to be involved with getting these sites protected. Let me know how I can help!
Some questions: 1. Did the Ptolemaics build things in solid stone, or, did they build them in sections (like the sectional columns)? 2. Absent proof, we really don't know that the original blocks were previously cut out, and the Ptolemaics simply took advantage of the near-finished state, do we? 3. What does the "graffiti" etc actually say? (NOTE: the mere "presence" of writing isn't an indicator of actual age) 4. Interesting to note that the Ptolemaics chose to work in sandstone, instead of granite. If they could, seemingly easily, work in granite, why stop that process? 5. Are there any other Ptolemaic works that were simply abandoned for the purposes of comparison?
Great video Matt. Certainly no LAHT required here, just a large and experienced labour force with a great knowledge of mechanical advantage and expert stonemasonry that's been built up over the centuries (as is clearly evident from their ship sailing skills and temple construction) and some hardened 'arsenical' copper which the Egyptians had plentiful access to and were also able to recycle (and not the soft pure copper you see constantly promoted by certain individuals who clearly have a very limited understanding of the MOH scale, and are also far too deeply invested in cherry picking a particular narrative over finding the actual truth).
If all that's required to do work of this magnitude is 'just a large and experienced labour force with a great knowledge of mechanical advantage and expert stonemasonry that's been built up over the centuries' I wonder why it all seems to have come to a halt 2000+years ago and no other civilization has apparently carved and freed such astonishing weights and dimensions from the bedrock since. I see people, 'experts' saying things like, 'oh yeah it's really easy with ship rigging tech' - but I never see anyone actually duplicating the feats the ancients regularly employed in carving, freeing from the bedrock, erecting, and/or building with on a regular basis. Makes me think that maybe some of these folks don't have it all figured out after all
@@LarryPerkins78 Like yourself, I once believed such assumptions, but I always like to keep an open mind on these subjects. I feel catastrophism has regularly played a large role in reshaping our history, but at the same time doing some deeper research rather than simply believing everything the likes of Brian Forester and co say is often the key. All this focus on Egypt and the claims of the LAHT theorists as opposed to uncovering and acknowledging all the amazing achievements in granite since their civilization I find extremely concerning. If one continues to see scale as an obstacle, then the truth will remain hidden. th-cam.com/video/JZXeQkQVs1o/w-d-xo.html
The flame jet technology leaves behind scoop marks when used in a granite quarry. This is similar to the scoop marks seen around the rough cutting of these obelisks.
This video leads to two major questions: 1.) Why did they suddenly stop? Maybe they were caught having no valid construction permit or what? and 2.) Why didn't Zahi Hawass do anything about it? These blocks are way larger than those in Baalbeck and should be known all over the world.
thank goodness they left these behind...i watched this yesterday, n going over it again.... so much to take in... i've been going over all these.... now i want to go see them.............. this is not the first video i seen this in....the aswan monolith... i thought it was the only one... except now 4 the new ones ur showing that i never seen b4....
Instead of Enormous slabs carved from and still lying in their source quarry - Wouldn't it be interesting if one or more of them were actually a door covering an entrance to an entire wonderful world beneath? This is NOT a theory, just a what-if to think about for minds that enjoy using their imagination. ... Another GREAT Video Matt! Cheers! ... - paul
@@jaylynn3346 My name is Jay Lynn - "What do I want to be when I grow up?" . . .- - - "I want to be a Disgusting Troll that EVERYONE hates because I hate myself." "Oh, the Joy!"
the deep 'foot' cut at one corner looks somewhat distinctive. The one Corner appears to have a excessively long cut extending out past the work possibly as a way to get down and underneath on a slope. Might have Mechanical properties related to the work or processes and seems like a early/primary/initiate step in the excavation. The 'Track' showing on the started obelisk's sides looks like a interesting quarrying feature, almost like they were also extracting blocks as they went (100s of stones, 1 project).
Thanks Matt. The reason those monster stones haven't been moved is that they can't be moved. It's as simple as that. The point of engineering is to find out when something fails or when it cannot be made any better. At the 3:40 min mark you talk about the Egyptians making those interesting shapes, three different approaches being "cut by hand." You don't know that. How? With copper? They didn't have Iron? No way that Cleopatra's kin did that. Not even the Romans could lift those things. If I were going to make an obelisk today, and I just might, I'd start with a straight cedar log (a pole) and build the forms around it and pour away. I'd be willing to bet a Dr. Pepper that if you bored into the Colossi at Memnon you'd find a 500 year old cedar tree, straight as an arrow and still smelling good. But I regress . . . Those designs at the 3:40 mark make me think that was a skunk works for engineers. And now to the final point sure to elicit howls of derision even from the Youngbloods. Nobody cut those with copper either. Can you even fit a kid in there? That leaves acid (chemistry), heat or lasers. First things first - rule out the impossible which has the merit of increasing the signal to noise ratio by dramatically lowering the denominator. They didn't have lasers -- coherent light is a real trick and I think we can rule it out. That leaves chemistry and concentrated sunlight. Where do you think the word Chemistry comes from? Why do you think the biblical On was called Heliopolis (city of the sun) by the Greeks? That's not only where the great Imhotep hung out but even Manetho near the end of days. I don't know much about acid but I do know plenty about concentrated sunlight. I think Hathor's lens is the most likely answer. The engineers were learning what they could and couldn't do with their science project, ie, lenses that can achieve just about any temperature you want. I have melted steel like butter with it. They were better at this than I am. Why do you think Hathor is called the mother of Horus? She must have been a badass. Why is Serabit on Sinai known as the High Place of Burning? It wasn't to collect moonlight for heaven's sake. Moonshine maybe.
Wow! Its like coming to a carpenter’s or sculptor’s workshop and seeing the work in progress or abandoned works. So interesting! I’d love to visit these kinds of sites. Looking forward to your next video of that stone cylindrical columns.
Very interesting to see the very same machine tool marks at the sides of the obelisk at time stamp 2:13 Just like Tina in her channel Curious Being explained these same tool marks can be seen on the giant monoliths in Baalbeck/Lebanon, Yongshan/China and also in the Osirion/Egypt. The very same tool marks that can be seen in todays quarries and mines, made by circular excavation machines. That would also explain how they were able to cut stone in those very narrow trenches... by using machines and not stone balls and copper chisels. And machines to lift those 2000-3000t blocks which we can not do today.
Matt, these kerf marks can be found in Yangshan quarry in China as well as temples in Cambodia and India such as the Kailasa temple. Derinkuyu and Petra on the list too...You’re telling me they all figured out how to chisel or pick axe by hand the exact same way separately? With long, sweeping, regular arcs? It looks like the stone was literally worked with a rake. I can’t imagine a technique with hand tools that can carve stone with such efficiency and regularity.
They (the Ptolemic) could not and would not carve such a large stone with no means of getting it out to the public. If they started this project, it was purely political with no plans of getting it up. it's either a political stunt or they did not do it.
The pair of obelisks most likely had different sizes because they were to be placed in proximity to each other but at different elevations so they would appear to be the same height.
I'd love to read the studies (if they exist) on the method used to quary these and any examination of techniques and tooling marks left on the quaried stone. It would inform us of the types of tools and techniques employed. Personally I don't want to argue over their age or who did it, but it would be interesting to have some ideas or hypothesis. If it transpires to be done in the Ptolemeic period, then that opens more questions about what happened to the knowledge involved in doing this, why and how they planned to move blocks of stone in excess of 1200 metric tonnes
So, that would 'prove' there existed some form on ancient hig-tech....perhaps not as ancient as some people may feel, but ancient nonetheless. Ancient is one of words that is never accurately defined as how long ago it means...could ne 1000years or 100,000years....!
I think they wanted to imitate the older granite stuff but since they didn't have the tools, they used softer limestone, that is/was also available nearby instead of hundreds of miles away. The trenches are not straight and you can clearly see the toolmarks, which look completely different to the ones around the unfinished obelisk in Aswan. Maybe the emperor said it must be possible, but they didn't get further than this (which is still bloody impressive!). Or they did in fact quarry such massive blocks, but then there should be some limestone obelisks and statues of this size left somewhere to be seen. But there isn't, right?
The flame jet technology leaves behind scoop marks when used in a granite quarry. This is similar to the scoop marks seen in this location in creating the rough cutting of an obelisk.
@@manbearpig710 the Crater is dated to 50k years old according to latest news, even if it was 10k it wouldnt affect africa that much, we know people back then very extremely primitive, didnt do agriculture and lived in small tribes the stone is from ptolemaic times anyway, please educate yourself and stop spreading such false information, as i said, give proofs backed by scientific papers, not random theories
@@trader2137 you're assuming that the current narrative of our remote past is accurate. There is more than plenty empirical archeological data that makes it necessity to empirically reexamine our timelines with multidisciplinary state of the art techniques and for lack of better term open source. Also our current paradigm is predicated on many assumptions of the time and fall into circular logic as in "there's no way that there were in remote antiquity sophisticated civilizations capable of works of masonry that are not possible even with today's technology, it would be known in academia and it's not known because there's no way there were such civilizations" often times those in academia and science are as evangelical to their held worldview that one would almost call it faith based. Time will reveal our past is FAR FAR more complicated and nonlinear than most are capable of conceptualizing. But don't listen to me I'm just a another crazy conspiracy theorist.
@@luisca92 conspiracy theorist - exactlt, especially after hearing this: "masonry that are not possible even with today's technology" which is extremely absurd sentence, and yeah, people like those theorists are 'faith' based, because in 99.9% of the times they dont even have evidence/arguments to back their claims up - they work similarly to flat earth believers, do you have proofs that current scientific narrative is invalid? no you dont...
Wow! 2 years ago and I just found the video! ☹Yes. For sure make the video of how they shaped the columns in the quarry. Is that photo from Minya, also. I'm going to see if they allow one to go to those quarries near Minya. I want to see the drawing of the king carved into the stone. Was that real, or photo shopped? Keep up the good work! 👍
I’ve been thinking about this since you uploaded it, great research always love your analytical point of view, but have you considered this could be evidence of known Egyptian history trying to copy previous technology and failing rather than an abandoned project
Lol @4:00 cat faces. My partner and I at work, when we fill out some important paperwork that we know is going on permanent record and we'll see it again in a few years, we try to sneak a little cat face on it. It's very connecting to know that people were doing that thousands of years ago
The obelisk appearing at 5:46 revealed its crust and a whitish crumb. It means it was not built with a solid stone; rather it was built with cement concrete as crust and other materials as its crumb.
Very interesting video. It's nice to see some new things now and then. I wonder if there are any examples in the quarry of similarly huge stones actually having been removed? Those columns are likewise very impressive and something I had never seen before. Thanks!
I think if we remove the small brick appearing at 4:41, we might find out whether the obelisk was a solid stone or a cement concrete. If the brick had made dents on the obelisk and on the platform, it will be sure evidence for cement concrete. (I suspect that the platform on the left of the obelisk served as location for workmen to mix cement to make concrete. Therefore it might be soft all the time. When the brick happened to be dropped there, it would sure have created some dent.)
What really intrigues me, is that this find is from the Ptolemaic age. So close to our own time, and not from some predynastic age clouded in mythological preconceptions =)
It seems odd that they didn't work on the existing edge of the plateau or butte...mesa, shelf? Whatever that is I'm looking at. It would be chipping away at a mountain but it still seems like it would be easier than plucking a huge stone from the middle of a huger stone. Inconceivable! It's difficult to get a perspective of size. It's just mind boggling from the start. That's no small amount of work done so they fully intended to raise the thing apparently. It's truly amazing.
I wouldnt think in terms of popping it out, more in terms of removing blocks from the nile site to free one side... probably and logicly you start with your largest bling before building the 'simple' temple.. so they would need a lot of limestone building stones, so all the material you would need to quarry in freeing up of the colossus/obelisk wouldnt go to waste ;) I think they chose those spots based on fissures (close to an edge carries more fissure risk I think to remember from long ago in class, Matt as a geologist would certainly be able to tell us more on that) and also elevation (as clearly seen by the inclined obelisk quarry) to easy the moving: sliding to nile comp to 'popping' it up ;) just my 2c here
I may be wrong but the tool marks are not the same as the other famous obelisk. Even if we agree on chisels, as the tool used this one seems to have a different method used to cut the rock away.
Another great video, thank you Sir! The more I think about the unfinished obelisks etc worldwide (Egypt, China, Lebanon), the more I come to the conclusion that something happened and made the work stop. Could have been a worldwide cataclysm. Why did the ancients build such large structures of very hard material (Baalbek, Giza etc.) and we don’t? Obviously because they had the technology, logistics etc and we don’t. Were they more advanced than us? Most probably, yes. Regarding the Ptolemaic writings on the structures - the most simple answer is that during that period the people who found it tried to finish them but failed or maybe just made those writings a la “Kilroy was here”...
You can cut this type of limestone or even Granite with a hard quartz based sand used as the cutting abrasive. Copper saw will cut Limestone but not Granite. But the quartz sand with added water will cut Granite. One you have a inch or so cut depth you tap into the cut groove wooden wedges then wet soak the wooden wedges with water and when the wedges dry out they expand and split the stone.
Wonderful research, Thankyou! Wether the megalithic builders lived a million years ago or only three thousand years ago it makes no difference, in both cases their work remains but not their tools, perhaps we should focus on the possibility of our ‘loss of ability’.
Pickaxes or chisels, Science Against Myths channel did a 1hr report on Baalbek that explains the similar kerf marks you find there, here's the link to the exact time they talk about the tool marks: th-cam.com/video/b4j2cIygxQE/w-d-xo.html
It would be helpful to find the sites where large obelisks have been removed. The old sites may have clues about how they were moved from their origins. Were they lifted, were they slid out through a horizontal channel? The grooves along the sides of the excavation are interesting, obviously cut for a purpose.
Obelisk: what I find extraordinary is the LIMESTONE for a structally critical component: separation, transport and erection: granite has far greater internal structural integrity - I cannot imagine a slender limestone column not being prone to fracture.
Those scallops at the bottom of the trench around the obelisk were not made with pounding rocks. The width of each scallop is the width of the high pressure blasting wand that cut the rock. Not chisels or pounding stones or other silly methods, but high tech, high pressure abrasive water most likely.
Yes. As I say in the video, obelisks in dynastic history are granite. Many many many statues were limestone though - I’d say the majority. But there is a reason for the shift in Ptolemaic times - maybe it was cost and efficiency related 🤷♂️
I'd like to see some oligarch fund a project to finish the obelisk, build a canal and move it to some prominent spot and erect it. A modern finish to an ancient unfinished project.
I'm curious about any materials that could have been used to lift the stones. Specifically, something that would be smaller when dried-out; then, when a liquid is added, would swell many times in size and lift the stone off of the lower support columns. - Idk. Just thinkin out-loud. ✌
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Hey man, thanks for these videos. If you read this I was wondering if you could make a video on the Longyou Caves sometime? Thanks! Few interesting links below although I dunno about the machining and psuedoscience narrative but very interesting place nonetheless:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674775515300950
www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/longyoucaves.html
www.heritagedaily.com/2020/08/the-mystery-of-the-longyou-caves/134874
www.atlasobscura.com/places/longyou-caves
The advancement of ship rigging technology is what allowed these massive weights to be moved around with relative ease, by rolling them on Lebanese cedar which has a crushing strength of 6090 pounds per square inch. Multiple crews would work in parallel on a single stone using a combination of hitch knots, crude wooden gears, capstans or massive wooden transmission wheels driven by people walking inside of them like a hamster wheel. The Oxford Handbook of Engineering and Technology in the Classical World will shed some more insight on the technology, which was *adopted* in those times from rediscovered pre-history. Just look at the amazing works of Ismail al-Jazari. Watch this video, it explains everything, just scale it all up to fit the job. th-cam.com/video/FkEguRSvW30/w-d-xo.html
As for cutting out this stones, yes it's only limestone but they likely make the process much faster using acids derived from fermentation of iron pyrite or even just simple vinegar concentrated via various means, like distilling it from copper acetate. I'll remind you of a research paper I pointed you to a couple years ago: On the reddish glittery mud the Inca used for perfecting their stone masonry
Cheers Matt!
@@cosmiccrunch8591 the hyperlink isn't letting me click the video.. can yu repost this hyperlink
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I’m trying to find new things all the time. I have some other interesting things coming up! Thanks.
@@AncientArchitects @ 01:55 you say you are open to new ideas and theories, yet i keep kindly trying to point out you are pronouncing Ptolemaic wrong. Its P'TOLEMAIC, I praise your videos but you're doing my OCD in now lol, heres how say it Ptolemy and Ptolemaic th-cam.com/video/Fz4Jjax2rWc/w-d-xo.html please.....pleeeeeease 😂😂
@@AncientArchitects lol i just seen your reply to me 😂😂😂 no worries fella, just a bit of banter
@@theRhinsRanger Yeah, I had already recorded this video a couple of days ago! I might always say "tolemaic" now to wind you up! Haha. No, I'm not that cruel.
Oh goodness me. I don't know how to pronounce things save for how I hear them here.
you've uncovered something amazing here Matt , how have massive items like this simply been ignored by the mainstream , why is no one talking about them .
It would be interesting to get a close up of the process involved in the excavation , are there scoop marks like the ones at the unfinished obelisk at Aswan , did they use hammers and chisels or pounding stones for the extraction ,and what made them stop so abruptly half way through the job .
More fascinating stuff to ponder on , you're putting some incredible effort in just lately , i'm loving the recent line of videos ,great one again , Thanks for the video .
Incredible finds, aside from binge watching all of Brien Foerster’s videos I love watching your videos because they delve deeper into the enigmatic structures around the world, keep up the great work man!
Brien foersters videos are amazing, he shows so much megalithic stuff that you would never normally see, but take his commentary with a grain of salt, and keep in mind the possibility of the use of geopolymers
Ryan Botting or check out scientist against myth... they show us the actual stone cutting and carving methods
You should check out Ben channel, UnChartedX.
@@bermonz yes that channel is great
Thank you Ancient Architects, you are a favour to humanity with all your work.
Can't wait for your video on the unfinished column.
Just awesome Matt! Thank you!
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@@AncientArchitects 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏💗 there must be a lot of unfinished monuments in that quarry!
Hi Matt, great video I was interested in the unfinished stone columns you briefly mentioned in the vid and was wondering if you have any more information on them or could do a video on how they made perfectly round stone columns... there doesn’t seem to be much out there on the methods they used, and I find it really fascinating,
thanks
Very straight toolmarks, and they keep coming up. Ancient machinery? Praveen mohan showed evidense of lathing of pillars for example.
Shape the block to your desired depth, width and height. As you cut underneath the giant stone block use enough good rope to hold that segment and continue chiseling away beneath the block to seperate it. Once the block is seperated from its foundation, using a well constructed pully system you can stand that block up or move it onto a bunch of logs to pull it to where you want it to be, it may be easier to have strong wooden logs placed underneath once the stone block is raised to just above ground level.
The blocks are all high up so they would have certainly exploited gravity to move it towards the Nile river!
Apparently they couldn't lift this block, do you agree with me?
Congratulations, excellent video. Thank you
Always amazing content and always well delivered!
Exciting to see that there is much more to discover and learn from!
Your work is fantastic Matt ! Great video
Always fascinating to see your work. I think it would be a big accomplishment for the channel to be involved with getting these sites protected. Let me know how I can help!
Some questions:
1. Did the Ptolemaics build things in solid stone, or, did they build them in sections (like the sectional columns)?
2. Absent proof, we really don't know that the original blocks were previously cut out, and the Ptolemaics simply took advantage of the near-finished state, do we?
3. What does the "graffiti" etc actually say? (NOTE: the mere "presence" of writing isn't an indicator of actual age)
4. Interesting to note that the Ptolemaics chose to work in sandstone, instead of granite. If they could, seemingly easily, work in granite, why stop that process?
5. Are there any other Ptolemaic works that were simply abandoned for the purposes of comparison?
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Thank you for that. Appreciated
You Rock Man! Keep em' coming.
Great video Matt. Certainly no LAHT required here, just a large and experienced labour force with a great knowledge of mechanical advantage and expert stonemasonry that's been built up over the centuries (as is clearly evident from their ship sailing skills and temple construction) and some hardened 'arsenical' copper which the Egyptians had plentiful access to and were also able to recycle (and not the soft pure copper you see constantly promoted by certain individuals who clearly have a very limited understanding of the MOH scale, and are also far too deeply invested in cherry picking a particular narrative over finding the actual truth).
They had iron in ptolemaic Egypt.
If all that's required to do work of this magnitude is
'just a large and experienced labour force with a great knowledge of mechanical advantage and expert stonemasonry that's been built up over the centuries'
I wonder why it all seems to have come to a halt 2000+years ago and no other civilization has apparently carved and freed such astonishing weights and dimensions from the bedrock since.
I see people, 'experts' saying things like, 'oh yeah it's really easy with ship rigging tech' - but I never see anyone actually duplicating the feats the ancients regularly employed in carving, freeing from the bedrock, erecting, and/or building with on a regular basis. Makes me think that maybe some of these folks don't have it all figured out after all
@@LarryPerkins78 Like yourself, I once believed such assumptions, but I always like to keep an open mind on these subjects. I feel catastrophism has regularly played a large role in reshaping our history, but at the same time doing some deeper research rather than simply believing everything the likes of Brian Forester and co say is often the key. All this focus on Egypt and the claims of the LAHT theorists as opposed to uncovering and acknowledging all the amazing achievements in granite since their civilization I find extremely concerning. If one continues to see scale as an obstacle, then the truth will remain hidden. th-cam.com/video/JZXeQkQVs1o/w-d-xo.html
@@Donnie-Dark-X you used to believe what assumptions?
The flame jet technology leaves behind scoop marks when used in a granite quarry.
This is similar to the scoop marks seen around the rough cutting of these obelisks.
I'D LOVE TO FIND OUT MORE ON THAT COLUMN UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THAT COULD B ALOT OF OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED
I’ll do a video on the column. Fascinating!
@@AncientArchitects Yes, please!
@@luisaparodi8571 same!!
Yes!!!
I just google earthed them, fascinating to see them on the map
I really enjoyed this episode. I am really curious about those unfinished columns.
This video leads to two major questions: 1.) Why did they suddenly stop? Maybe they were caught having no valid construction permit or what? and 2.) Why didn't Zahi Hawass do anything about it? These blocks are way larger than those in Baalbeck and should be known all over the world.
The stone column cutting sounds fascinating.
thank goodness they left these behind...i watched this yesterday, n going over it again....
so much to take in...
i've been going over all these....
now i want to go see them..............
this is not the first video i seen this in....the aswan monolith...
i thought it was the only one...
except now 4 the new ones ur showing that i never seen b4....
Always the best content ❤️💯
Cheers
Excellent work, Matt!
Thanks Matt 👍👍💜
Thank you
Yes please on a pillar video
Excellent. Suprised they found Limestone that size without cracks right through somewhere
Great video - keep em coming.
Instead of Enormous slabs carved from and still lying in their source quarry - Wouldn't it be interesting if one or more of them were actually a door covering an entrance to an entire wonderful world beneath?
This is NOT a theory, just a what-if to think about for minds that enjoy using their imagination.
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Another GREAT Video Matt! Cheers!
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the deep 'foot' cut at one corner looks somewhat distinctive. The one Corner appears to have a excessively long cut extending out past the work possibly as a way to get down and underneath on a slope. Might have Mechanical properties related to the work or processes and seems like a early/primary/initiate step in the excavation. The 'Track' showing on the started obelisk's sides looks like a interesting quarrying feature, almost like they were also extracting blocks as they went (100s of stones, 1 project).
Wow .. first time I’m seeing these images 😃 I subbed, we need to get you 250k more
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Thanks Matt. The reason those monster stones haven't been moved is that they can't be moved. It's as simple as that. The point of engineering is to find out when something fails or when it cannot be made any better. At the 3:40 min mark you talk about the Egyptians making those interesting shapes, three different approaches being "cut by hand." You don't know that.
How? With copper? They didn't have Iron? No way that Cleopatra's kin did that. Not even the Romans could lift those things. If I were going to make an obelisk today, and I just might, I'd start with a straight cedar log (a pole) and build the forms around it and pour away. I'd be willing to bet a Dr. Pepper that if you bored into the Colossi at Memnon you'd find a 500 year old cedar tree, straight as an arrow and still smelling good. But I regress . . .
Those designs at the 3:40 mark make me think that was a skunk works for engineers. And now to the final point sure to elicit howls of derision even from the Youngbloods. Nobody cut those with copper either. Can you even fit a kid in there? That leaves acid (chemistry), heat or lasers. First things first - rule out the impossible which has the merit of increasing the signal to noise ratio by dramatically lowering the denominator.
They didn't have lasers -- coherent light is a real trick and I think we can rule it out. That leaves
chemistry and concentrated sunlight. Where do you think the word Chemistry comes from? Why do you think the biblical On was called Heliopolis (city of the sun) by the Greeks? That's not only where the great Imhotep hung out but even Manetho near the end of days.
I don't know much about acid but I do know plenty about concentrated sunlight. I think Hathor's lens is the most likely answer. The engineers were learning what they could and couldn't do with their science project, ie, lenses that can achieve just about any temperature you want. I have melted steel like butter with it. They were better at this than I am. Why do you think Hathor is called the mother of Horus? She must have been a badass. Why is Serabit on Sinai known as the High Place of Burning? It wasn't to collect moonlight for heaven's sake. Moonshine maybe.
Wow! Its like coming to a carpenter’s or sculptor’s workshop and seeing the work in progress or abandoned works. So interesting! I’d love to visit these kinds of sites. Looking forward to your next video of that stone cylindrical columns.
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Very interesting to see the very same machine tool marks at the sides of the obelisk at time stamp 2:13
Just like Tina in her channel Curious Being explained these same tool marks can be seen on the giant monoliths in Baalbeck/Lebanon, Yongshan/China and also in the Osirion/Egypt. The very same tool marks that can be seen in todays quarries and mines, made by circular excavation machines. That would also explain how they were able to cut stone in those very narrow trenches... by using machines and not stone balls and copper chisels. And machines to lift those 2000-3000t blocks which we can not do today.
If anything, this shows that the same culture that built Baalbek was working here too at the same time.
Looking at the marks they are not using the same tools
No evidence of Bast cult at Lebanon, as far as I know.
Wooooow!!! I'm amazed!!!!!
I was too.
Well done & thank you.
Matt, these kerf marks can be found in Yangshan quarry in China as well as temples in Cambodia and India such as the Kailasa temple. Derinkuyu and Petra on the list too...You’re telling me they all figured out how to chisel or pick axe by hand the exact same way separately? With long, sweeping, regular arcs? It looks like the stone was literally worked with a rake. I can’t imagine a technique with hand tools that can carve stone with such efficiency and regularity.
They made these cuts to troll future generations 😂
They (the Ptolemic) could not and would not carve such a large stone with no means of getting it out to the public. If they started this project, it was purely political with no plans of getting it up. it's either a political stunt or they did not do it.
I like Matt, he open to new ideas and admitting when he's wrong
Great video
Thank you so much .
The pair of obelisks most likely had different sizes because they were to be placed in proximity to each other but at different elevations so they would appear to be the same height.
Tekhenu made from Limestone ? Obelisks are normal made of Aswan granite.
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I'd love to read the studies (if they exist) on the method used to quary these and any examination of techniques and tooling marks left on the quaried stone. It would inform us of the types of tools and techniques employed.
Personally I don't want to argue over their age or who did it, but it would be interesting to have some ideas or hypothesis.
If it transpires to be done in the Ptolemeic period, then that opens more questions about what happened to the knowledge involved in doing this, why and how they planned to move blocks of stone in excess of 1200 metric tonnes
So, that would 'prove' there existed some form on ancient hig-tech....perhaps not as ancient as some people may feel, but ancient nonetheless. Ancient is one of words that is never accurately defined as how long ago it means...could ne 1000years or 100,000years....!
@@RicardoPetrazzi Heres a good video on Baalbek: th-cam.com/video/b4j2cIygxQE/w-d-xo.html
@@jcie1210mk3 I gave it try, maybe I wasnlt in the mood but i found the first 5mins Very patronising, urgh...
I think they wanted to imitate the older granite stuff but since they didn't have the tools, they used softer limestone, that is/was also available nearby instead of hundreds of miles away. The trenches are not straight and you can clearly see the toolmarks, which look completely different to the ones around the unfinished obelisk in Aswan. Maybe the emperor said it must be possible, but they didn't get further than this (which is still bloody impressive!). Or they did in fact quarry such massive blocks, but then there should be some limestone obelisks and statues of this size left somewhere to be seen. But there isn't, right?
you found the GOLDEN quarry of Minya!
there you go, thank me later.
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You are a treasure yourself. Keep it up.
Awesome thanks
The flame jet technology leaves behind scoop marks when used in a granite quarry.
This is similar to the scoop marks seen in this location in creating the rough cutting of an obelisk.
It appears that to the stone workers it was just a normal day until it wasn't and the cataclysm swept them away.
what cataclysm? give proofs... rational way would be lack of funds to finish this thing...
@@manbearpig710 the Crater is dated to 50k years old according to latest news, even if it was 10k it wouldnt affect africa that much, we know people back then very extremely primitive, didnt do agriculture and lived in small tribes the stone is from ptolemaic times anyway, please educate yourself and stop spreading such false information, as i said, give proofs backed by scientific papers, not random theories
@@manbearpig710 also oldest copper chisels ever found were dated to around 4.5k bc
@@trader2137 you're assuming that the current narrative of our remote past is accurate. There is more than plenty empirical archeological data that makes it necessity to empirically reexamine our timelines with multidisciplinary state of the art techniques and for lack of better term open source. Also our current paradigm is predicated on many assumptions of the time and fall into circular logic as in "there's no way that there were in remote antiquity sophisticated civilizations capable of works of masonry that are not possible even with today's technology, it would be known in academia and it's not known because there's no way there were such civilizations" often times those in academia and science are as evangelical to their held worldview that one would almost call it faith based. Time will reveal our past is FAR FAR more complicated and nonlinear than most are capable of conceptualizing. But don't listen to me I'm just a another crazy conspiracy theorist.
@@luisca92 conspiracy theorist - exactlt, especially after hearing this: "masonry that are not possible even with today's technology" which is extremely absurd sentence, and yeah, people like those theorists are 'faith' based, because in 99.9% of the times they dont even have evidence/arguments to back their claims up - they work similarly to flat earth believers,
do you have proofs that current scientific narrative is invalid? no you dont...
9:20,... What a great picture, wonderful perspective.
Excellent
Wow! 2 years ago and I just found the video! ☹Yes. For sure make the video of how they shaped the columns in the quarry. Is that photo from Minya, also. I'm going to see if they allow one to go to those quarries near Minya. I want to see the drawing of the king carved into the stone. Was that real, or photo shopped? Keep up the good work! 👍
Love this channel so interesting
You've been busy, very busy :)
I’ve been thinking about this since you uploaded it, great research always love your analytical point of view, but have you considered this could be evidence of known Egyptian history trying to copy previous technology and failing rather than an abandoned project
Do you believe the Egyptians built the pyramids or were just squatting? Remember reading that in one of Hancock’s books. Interesting hypothesis.
Lol @4:00 cat faces. My partner and I at work, when we fill out some important paperwork that we know is going on permanent record and we'll see it again in a few years, we try to sneak a little cat face on it. It's very connecting to know that people were doing that thousands of years ago
Totally awesome. Need to be protected asap
The obelisk appearing at 5:46 revealed its crust and a whitish crumb. It means it was not built with a solid stone; rather it was built with cement concrete as crust and other materials as its crumb.
Very interesting video. It's nice to see some new things now and then. I wonder if there are any examples in the quarry of similarly huge stones actually having been removed? Those columns are likewise very impressive and something I had never seen before. Thanks!
What were the columns made from? Limestone as well? Still interesting to see how they did it. It's the transportation that is the kicker.
I think if we remove the small brick appearing at 4:41, we might find out whether the obelisk was a solid stone or a cement concrete. If the brick had made dents on the obelisk and on the platform, it will be sure evidence for cement concrete. (I suspect that the platform on the left of the obelisk served as location for workmen to mix cement to make concrete. Therefore it might be soft all the time. When the brick happened to be dropped there, it would sure have created some dent.)
Work on this obelisk began around the same time GRRM started writing The Winds of Winter, another abandoned project.
Good God! How many did they make. Great channel!!!!
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What really intrigues me, is that this find is from the Ptolemaic age. So close to our own time, and not from some predynastic age clouded in mythological preconceptions =)
It seems odd that they didn't work on the existing edge of the plateau or butte...mesa, shelf? Whatever that is I'm looking at. It would be chipping away at a mountain but it still seems like it would be easier than plucking a huge stone from the middle of a huger stone. Inconceivable! It's difficult to get a perspective of size. It's just mind boggling from the start. That's no small amount of work done so they fully intended to raise the thing apparently. It's truly amazing.
I wouldnt think in terms of popping it out, more in terms of removing blocks from the nile site to free one side... probably and logicly you start with your largest bling before building the 'simple' temple.. so they would need a lot of limestone building stones, so all the material you would need to quarry in freeing up of the colossus/obelisk wouldnt go to waste ;)
I think they chose those spots based on fissures (close to an edge carries more fissure risk I think to remember from long ago in class, Matt as a geologist would certainly be able to tell us more on that) and also elevation (as clearly seen by the inclined obelisk quarry) to easy the moving: sliding to nile comp to 'popping' it up ;)
just my 2c here
I may be wrong but the tool marks are not the same as the other famous obelisk. Even if we agree on chisels, as the tool used this one seems to have a different method used to cut the rock away.
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Another great video, thank you Sir!
The more I think about the unfinished obelisks etc worldwide (Egypt, China, Lebanon), the more I come to the conclusion that something happened and made the work stop. Could have been a worldwide cataclysm. Why did the ancients build such large structures of very hard material (Baalbek, Giza etc.) and we don’t? Obviously because they had the technology, logistics etc and we don’t. Were they more advanced than us? Most probably, yes.
Regarding the Ptolemaic writings on the structures - the most simple answer is that during that period the people who found it tried to finish them but failed or maybe just made those writings a la “Kilroy was here”...
9:12 Stop the video there: The sand filled trench in the upper left ... I would check there as well.
Very interesting! But I'm still curious to know how they cut the stones and how they moved them.
You can cut this type of limestone or even Granite with a hard quartz based sand used as the cutting abrasive. Copper saw will cut Limestone but not Granite. But the quartz sand with added water will cut Granite. One you have a inch or so cut depth you tap into the cut groove wooden wedges then wet soak the wooden wedges with water and when the wedges dry out they expand and split the stone.
Wonderful research, Thankyou! Wether the megalithic builders lived a million years ago or only three thousand years ago it makes no difference, in both cases their work remains but not their tools, perhaps we should focus on the possibility of our ‘loss of ability’.
Interesting.....
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AA has a tiger by the tail. Please keep swinging. Fascinating.
Again the kerf marks! What chisel method or tool would leave such long arcs at such a regular patterns?!
Pickaxes or chisels, Science Against Myths channel did a 1hr report on Baalbek that explains the similar kerf marks you find there, here's the link to the exact time they talk about the tool marks: th-cam.com/video/b4j2cIygxQE/w-d-xo.html
They are fascinating….
Very interesting stuff.
Perhaps we should petition Dr Hawass.
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It would be helpful to find the sites where large obelisks have been removed. The old sites may have clues about how they were moved from their origins. Were they lifted, were they slid out through a horizontal channel? The grooves along the sides of the excavation are interesting, obviously cut for a purpose.
Oh the string lines are not just for line of sight but it’s shadow will show roundness and then measured like a sun dial
Obelisk: what I find extraordinary is the LIMESTONE for a structally critical component: separation, transport and erection: granite has far greater internal structural integrity - I cannot imagine a slender limestone column not being prone to fracture.
@10:35 is it possible that the cliff edges were quarried in layered sections..
May I know the title of the paper (or book?) shown at time 10:40? Thank you!
Those scallops at the bottom of the trench around the obelisk were not made with pounding rocks. The width of each scallop is the width of the high pressure blasting wand that cut the rock. Not chisels or pounding stones or other silly methods, but high tech, high pressure abrasive water most likely.
Which hughe statues or obelisks are made of lime stone? I am only aware of granite ones....
Yes. As I say in the video, obelisks in dynastic history are granite. Many many many statues were limestone though - I’d say the majority. But there is a reason for the shift in Ptolemaic times - maybe it was cost and efficiency related 🤷♂️
Unfinished obelisks dominate my life.
I'd like to see some oligarch fund a project to finish the obelisk, build a canal and move it to some prominent spot and erect it. A modern finish to an ancient unfinished project.
Ok, but only after we get a settlement on Mars.
I'm curious about any materials that could have been used to lift the stones.
Specifically, something that would be smaller when dried-out; then, when a liquid is added, would swell many times in size and lift the stone off of the lower support columns.
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Idk.
Just thinkin out-loud.
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Here is wishing they dio protect the site.
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