Sermon: Jesus, Weapons, & War Pt. 2
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- Pastor Jeff Durbin teaches a second message on Jesus, Weapons, and War. Our air-conditioning was broken so it's a record shorter message. He answers questions related to martyrdom and self-defense and just-war theory. We pray it blesses you!
Here's a link to Pastor Doug's talk on Just-war Theory.
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This is absolute gold when it comes to navigating these issues. Early in my Christian Life I bought into the, "Christian" pacifism position. I was single at that time and once I maried my wife and had children the love I have for them lit a fire in me to do everything I could to protect them and to seek out the biblical understanding of when physical violence is righteous. Pastor Jeff is handling the word of God perfectly, using the full counsel of God and using categories instead of broad-sweeping, dangerous ideologies.🙏
Jews owning a sword was against Roman law. That's why many in the crowd carried clubs. Jesus not only told them to buy the best fighting tool, He told them to do it in violation of "arms control."
Based
Solid. Sound teaching. Thank The Lord for His truth and speaking it through you Jeff. Thank you for being faithful to the text. May God lead and guide you and protect you and your ministry from the world and the evil one. In Jesus Name! Amen.
Well done Sir. Well done.
May God bless you for standing up for the truth.
AWESOME true Biblical preaching! AMEN! SDG!
Thank you so much for this, Pastor Jeff. It means so much to me. As I have sat and wondered when to apply these laws and where. Thank you. God bless you and this came right on time.
Heathen were never givin the law or ordered to keep it whats wrong with you
@@kenmcfaren8440 excuse you? Scripture is clear that the law is even written on the hearts and consciences of the gentiles. God commands ALL men EVERYWHERE to repent. Maybe try reading the Bible more thoroughly before you attempt ad hominem attacks on your brethren.
@@kenmcfaren8440 Ken, the law is written on everyone's heart\ from the beginning.
Excellent message! I just watched this one after seeing Part 1.
I appreciate that scriptures were used in context throughout the sermon!
Thank you for turning the volume up at about 33. Please do this on every message. Tks.
Equalizer with Denzel Washington is a good film with Christian themes of justice
Very good Jay. I agree.
Let's see how long before TH-cam takes this down. ☺ Making sense, thank you.
Not yet, thank Yahweh.
It will never be taken down.
Thank you Lord for this message.
A Pastor I can stand behind 🙏 Where is this church I might move there.
"Yea Jeff"! "Amen"! Please keep teaching Gods Word! We "need" people like you and Apologia to try and bring souls to God! "Thank you so much for what you all do"!❤🙏's
Thank you. God bless.
Amen Brother Amen 🙏 IGY6
I personally love long summons
Get your Armalite and NASB and carry on with the Gospel.
Great sermon and completely agree with what was said. Side note...I don't think Peter missed at all. If you were swinging a sword at someone's head and hit them in the side of the head...you may cut their ear off. We don't know if the dude to really lit up by this blow, only that he lost an ear and Jesus healed him. I imagine Peter's sword may have been a little dull as he was not a soldier. I could totally see this happening just the way it's written.
Wow mind-blowing ❤
great sermon brother!!
Exodus 21
26 “When a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave and destroys it, he must let the slave go free in compensation for his eye. 27 If he knocks out the tooth of his male or female slave, he must let the slave go free in compensation for his tooth.
Nice!
Such excellent teaching.
Lies
Ken Mcfaren what did he lie about?
@@ForwardTalk everything the messiah's return for example nonisraelites are going to fight Christ not be saved by him as its written
(Revelation 19:19) and I saw the beast and "the kings of the earth" and "their armies" gathered together TO MAKE WAR against him that sat on the horse and against his army
(Isaiah 34:1-2) come near ye nations and hearken ye ppl let the earth hear n all that be therein for the "indignation" of the LORD is upon all nations and his "fury" upon all "THEIR ARMIES" he hath utterly destroyed them he hath delivered them to the slaughter their slain also shall be cast out and their stink shall come up out of their carcases and the mountains shall be melted with their blood
(Joel 3:2,9-12) proclaim ye this among the gentiles "prepare WAR" assemble urselves and come all ye heathen and gather urselves together round about let the heathen be wakened and come up to the valley of jehoshaphat for there will i sit to JUDGE all the heathen round about
(Obadiah 1:15-17) for the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen as thou has done it shall be done unto thee thy reward shall return upon thine own head(16) they shall be as thou they had not been (17) but upon MT ZION shall be deliverance and the house of jacob shall posses their possesions
(Jeremiah 46:27-28) fear thou not O jacob my servant and be not dismayed O israel I will "save" thee from afar off and "thy seed" from the land of their captivity and none shall make him afraid(28) I will make a "FULL END" of all the nations whither I have driven thee but i will not make a full end of thee
So if you want to be consistent here Moses is saying if a thief breaks into your house at night then you are not guilty of bloodshed but if a thief breaks into your home after sunrise you are guilty of bloodshed
Exodus 21
22 “When men get in a fight and hit a pregnant woman so that her children are born prematurely[m] but there is no injury, the one who hit her must be fined as the woman’s husband demands from him, and he must pay according to judicial assessment. 23 If there is an injury, then you must give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, bruise for bruise, wound for wound.
Defend ourselves when necessary but why we have to think and be prepared to kill others when we can just defend ourselves without killing others? The predisposition of some people’s mind on how they’ll act and react and do when they (if ever) are in a life threatening situation. Why always thinking of killing others and not and never thinking of how to just survive if possible and if not if we die we go to heaven as promised by God. People fear death and whys that aren’t them sure about their salvation??
Outstanding as usual
Good to hear. Can you talk about this as it pertains to government? Rom13?
Romans 13 is proscriptive, not descriptive. Generally, the .gov is God's servant to punish evil and praise good. Stealing property, extortion, illicit taxes and wage stealing, mandates outside the scope of government, murder, oppression, destruction of good, rewarding of evil, these are contrary to God. That .gov that does these evils forfeits it's roll as God's servant and becomes a really well financed gang of criminals. Such government is owned no allegiance and must be replaced in order for one to "do justly" or "do righteousnes" toward your neighbors. Quietly watching State crimes being done to others is not loving.
Pastor Jeff never disappoints.
So how does Pastor Jeff handle the feds in today's world and their plan of disarming the populace? Same as violent burglars?
great question
I think a good case could be made that killing somebody who is trying to rape another person is loving towards the person you killed, though it's obviously not enough reason on its own or even close to the primary reason you should employ lethal force in such circumstances. Similarly, you could make a good case that execution of a murderer or rapist is a loving act towards them, especially if you offer a small period of reflection between sentencing and execution (less than a week, probably, more than a few minutes)
YHWH demands their execution. He announced stoning, a method that included the whole town in denouncing the evildoer and "casting stones." Also, it appeared to the Jewish sense of frugality: the stones are free.
@@johnwurfel2862 Yes. Capital punishment was the chosen punishment for rape, kidnap, murder, and several other crimes (though I'll point out that murder was given to the 'avenger of blood'- a kinsman, not the public).
Exodus 21
20 “When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod, and the slave dies under his abuse,[i] the owner must be punished.[j] 21 However, if the slave can stand up after a day or two, the owner should not be punished[k] because he is his owner’s property.[l]
Well this is what Exodus 22 actually says about theft
Laws about Theft
22 [a]“When a man steals an ox or a sheep and butchers it or sells it, he must repay five cattle for the ox or four sheep for the sheep. 2 [b]If a thief is caught in the act of breaking in, and he is beaten to death, no one is guilty of bloodshed. 3 But if this happens after sunrise,[c] there is guilt of bloodshed. A thief must make full restitution. If he is unable, he is to be sold because of his theft. 4 If what was stolen-whether ox, donkey, or sheep-is actually found alive in his possession, he must repay double.
very good message
In fact the Bible says the opposite if someone comes and beats you up and you don’t die they shall not be put to death the Bible says if someone beats another person and they die they must die but if they live they must pay restitution to that person and provide for them
Heck Moses says if a man punches a pregnant woman and the baby doesn’t die or has no injuries he is exempt from death he shall not die but pay a fine
Exodus 21
35 “When a man’s ox injures his neighbor’s ox and it dies, they must sell the live ox and divide its proceeds; they must also divide the dead animal. 36 If, however, it is known that the ox was in the habit of goring, yet its owner has not restrained it, he must compensate fully, ox for ox; the dead animal will become his.
Instead of taking a beating for Jesus, flee persecution (Matthew 10)
Jeff, how would you deal with violence towards yourself at an baby mill protest?
"i Hate my Enemies with a Perfect Hatred!'
God also loves His enemies (cf. Psa 145:9). Don't be selective in your doctrine.
What if the state comes to take my guns. I wish pastor Jeff would address gun control and confiscation. Am I justified to defend if the atf raids my house?
Read the Bible you donk
You ask a great question. I'd like to hear him on this as well.
@@TV-zn7br how loving and polite of you.... Watch your mouth.
@@leviwilliams9601 I’ve said worst
@@TV-zn7br And you, like everyone, will have to make an account to God for every idle word.
So there really is no mention of self defense in fact exodus 21 is saying if am man beats another man to the point of death he shall die but if a man beats another man but he lives he shall not be punished but is liable to help the man
How do we know that Jesus didn’t tell them to buy swords so he would be counted amongst the transgressors? Serious question…
“And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.”
Luke 22:35-38 KJV
“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?”
Matthew 26:52-54 KJV
Exodus 21
18 “When men quarrel and one strikes the other with a stone or his fist, and the injured man does not die but is confined to bed, 19 if he can later get up and walk around outside leaning on his staff, then the one who struck him will be exempt from punishment. Nevertheless, he must pay for his lost work time[h] and provide for his complete recovery.
We gotta keep in mind that the Holy Spirit prophesied after the old testament by Jesus, and by John in the book of Revelation.
In 1 Corinthians 12:10 prophesy is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Paul exhorts in 1 Corinthians 31-33:
"31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
And John wrote in 1 John 4:1
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
So to sum it up, yes prophets still do exist and prophesy, but it is our job to try them to find whether thay are of God or of the Antichrist. There is no 3rd option.
Exodus 21
33 “When a man uncovers a pit or digs a pit, and does not cover it, and an ox or a donkey falls into it, 34 the owner of the pit must give compensation; he must pay money to its owner, but the dead animal will become his.
Surely forgiveness in some cases isn't love.
If you forgive the man who rapes your daughter, you aren't showing your daughter love.
AND to add to that, surely God doesn't love a victim if he forgives the attacker, either.
And you can't love someone who does awful, awful things.
Luke 6
29 If anyone hits you on the cheek, offer the other also. And if anyone takes away your coat, don’t hold back your shirt either. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and from one who takes your things, don’t ask for them back.
Contrast this with the 164 jihad verses in the Quran.
I think half of Jeff’s sermon got cut off
Definitely not his normal hour plus! Can't imagine no ac in AZ!
And John 18 has nothing to do with self defense it’s prophecy Jesus was fulfilling prophecy has nothing to do with self defense the term bloodshed in the Bible is in term of the person actually dying if the person doesn’t die the man who beat him also does not die
Say with thought of speaking to Jesus ...
Just sayn
No one knows what you're 'just sayn'. That comment was incoherent.
WOAWWW As a christian I have never found a pastor who find his way to twist and misunderstand God´s word. First this pastor is saying after last supper Peter went to buy a sword. He had not time for that. There is no mention in the bible that disciples left after supper (except Judas), atually most likely they satyed next to Jesus, specially Peter. Most likely Peter was the one with one of the swords. And actually Jesus didn´t tell them literally to buy a sword, he was making an example to understand they will face tribulation (murdering for believing in God). If he meant to go and buy a sword for self-defense, when apostles said ¨we have 2 swords¨Jesus would be saying: Good, that´s what I meant¨, but Jesus rebuked them ¨it´s enough¨, it doesn´t say ¨they are enough¨, it means rebuking, like stop you don´t understand.Peter didn´t go to buy a sword he likely had one of thos swords and used and Jesus again, rebuked him. Jesus it´s not talking about capital punishment it´s talking about if you use weapons you will die by weapons. There are not evidence Peter or other apostles defend there self within his final days upon violence, they were killed as martyrs. You will never find Apostle Paul asking Timothy to bring him a sword or advising Corinthians to buy a sword.
@Joel Roy if you examine the scripture Jesus says exactly why he asked them to buy swords. “To fulfill scripture that they would be numbered with transgressors” two swords were enough to fulfill that prophecy (Luke 22;36-37)
Again...where is your diaper? Remember, because science.
the beard
Ok.. what makes killing human traffickers (which I believe is a very godly act) any different than killing abortion ‘DoCtOrS’? Same motive, same protection of human life, same Biblical principle (remember, human trafficking IS legal in many places-God’s perfect standards cannot be subject to the conditions of man’s arbitrary standards)
Why aren’t you blowing up abortion clinics, Jeff??
And don’t say because you aren’t a proper authority. You are a living son of God almighty who will help to judge angels one day-if you’re not a proper authority, there is no proper authority among men.
Christians believe in a fair trial. They deserve the death penelty, by an Authorized court if found guilty. Jesus taught us this when the religious elite tried stoning a women without bringing anyone to prove the event happened. They just wanted mob justice. Christians do not believe in mob justice.
When did the human traffickers get a trial? When did the Taliban get a trial? If you saw a person killing a child in front of you, would you wait for a trial to act? Did King Eglon get a trial before Ehud gutted him? No. You can’t use that argument (though I’m not saying it’s a bad argument in general, it just doesn’t work here)
@@readtruth6670 I am not a regular law enforcer, as stated by Paul. I will stop evil to the best of my will within reason.
That’s admirable, but the world has lost all reason. The Church is called to suffer. Glory to God.
So many misuses of scripture to validate a presupposition.
Jesus does not teach in “categories” there are no exceptions in his commands. He actually obliterates categories.
Hebrew women were commended for preserving life not lying.
There are no examples of righteous use of the sword by any apostle.
You contradict yourself when you say gospel message is spread in peace but Jesus meant for them to go out with real swords. Which is it?
Jesus taught the fullness of the law. Which was for Gods people not to kill, not to commit adultery in our minds, to commit murder in our hearts by hating. Jesus taught us what true perfection in keeping the law was.
Love ya Jeff but your arguments are weak and come from deductions and reasonings from a presupposition, not a direct teaching from Jesus or apostles about a right to self defense.
“Just War Theory” is subjective to suit mans sinful nature and actually contradicts Jesus’s commands”
Being peaceful does not mean you can not defend yourself. Period.
@Joel Roy In response to your first point that “good and evil are parallels”; I’m not sure parallels is the right word. Maybe “relative“ or “subjective” to the situation. Jeff in his message here calls them “categories' ' and that Christian Pacifism is a “category error”. You used several examples 1. Good and evil spirits; this was not a particularly good example. Yes God does use evil to accomplish his sovereign will and judgement. However he still judges those acts of evil. The example you gave of Ahab and his prophets as an example God sent an evil Spirit. Not his own spirit. And that spirit will be judged for that sin. Nebuchadnezzar was used as “God's servant” to judge Israel however he was then judged for that very thing. Committing a sinful act because God directed it doesn’t excuse it/us from judgement. It’s still a sinful act.
The other examples you used “jealousy, music” I would even add divorce and boasting as sins that aren’t sin in other contexts. They have exceptions. Divorce is sin unless in cases of infidelity. Boasting in myself is sin but boasting in God is not. Jealousy/coveting is a sin but God’s jealousy for our love is not. These exceptions are clearly laid out and written about in teachings of Christ and the apostles.
However Jesus’s command to love our enemies is clearly supported over and over again in the gospels and epistles. There are no exceptions. (Jeff tries to say that Luke 22 is the exception but handles that passage horribly) Violence is never supported in the New Testament. Romans 13 warns that the government will use the sword but does not advocate that Christians should take part in that.
Your point that there is a “difference between killing and murder” is a very common distinction. Jeff called these different “categories”. By this definition or catagory, killing an enemy is perfectly acceptable. Jesus makes no such distinction, no exceptions to the command to love our enemies.
I always find this exception, that violence in self-defense is good unless it is in response to persecution, then it’s not, to be a little humorous . If this is true then if someone threatens me or my family I must first clarify their motives. “ Are you attacking me for religious reasons? Because if not, I’m going to kill you, however if it’s because of religious persecution then you get to live”. Seriously!? Again I will repeat Jesus nor apostles give any such exception to justify taking life. Your example of what you would do if threatened (shoot legs first) are not based on scripture but your own justification. When we kill we disobey the command of Jesus to love our enemy and deny Christ has Lordship in our lives. It denies Christ just as much as saying ”I never knew him”
Your example of Ananias and Sapphira is quite a stretch to justify killing another human being. 1. Their deaths were not at the hand of Peter. God did that. 2. He is perfectly justified in doing so, we are not. 3. This doesn’t justify us killing people who lie to the Holy Spirit. ”Vengeance belongs to the Lord”
@Joel Roy You are correct, carrying weapons is not evil. Like you said weapons are not in and of themselves evil. I have weapons because I hunt. Some enjoy target shooting as a sport. There’s nothing in scripture that commands we not have weapons. You make a good point about not having them if the government forbids them. We must submit to the government if it’s laws do not violate God’s commands. Many would argue against that but I believe that this is consistent with scripture.
Based on Jesus’s command to love our enemies no I don’t believe it is consistent to serve in the military as a combatant as well as police. Now I understand the arguments for public safety, protection of the innocent and emotionally it is a “hard pill to swallow”. But we can not break one command of Jesus to fulfill another. For example; We don’t steal I order to give to the poor. I just can not find any justification for participating in the army or law enforcement, anywhere in message of the gospel under Jesus’s commands.
I also recognize this is a theology that is in the minority within the Christian church. However I have not found anyone who can justify killing of any kind using Jesus or the apostles teachings.
I think I answered your other question about the sword fulfilling prophecy in another thread.
@Joel Roy thanks for the conversation. Blessings
@@duaneeby6150 Appreciate your arguments. If you are able to preserve life (and perhaps many lives in the context of say, a school shooter) by using lethal force, but do not do it and many others die, how do you reconcile that? Or if an intruder were to murder your family, and you just stand there but could have stopped it? Are we not to love the innocents as well? I would say more than the murderer? Is not that our first responsibility? In a kill or they will be killed situation? I can love my enemy and still use lethal force to stop them, because I am called to love my family as well. I can be sorry to have to use lethal force, it does not mean I do not love the lost person. But my 1st order of business would be to show my love for innocent people who will be killed too, by protecting them from the evil person bent on murder.
I'm pretty much against the claims of Durbin. I've seen many videos from him that I was completely against and see them just as his own presupposition. Even a few things here in this video,...I would either not care [since it isn't an issue I'd want to speak on], or wouldn't agree with [because it is just a faith belief].
Having said that, I am for "using a weapon for personal self defense". What? An agnostic/atheist agreeing with a Christian? Sure! Not every atheist [actually, I'm more agnostic in my worldview] is "left wing radicalized". I'm pretty much middle of the road on most topics. Some topics I will be more "left" on.....others, I'll be more "right" on. Self defense and gun rights? I'm more "right" on.
Well have fun with the wishy washiness of the left right paradigm which is simply an illusion of choice of secularism. Relying on the truth would be much more beneficial.
@@Omegha94zip So you think a person has to be "always right wing" or "always left wing"? Rather dichotomous, don't you think? The "truth", if it is proven to actually be factual, has no political agenda. It really doesn't have _any_ agenda. It is just factual.
You are lying by telling the sheep to kill another human being
God had people groups, made in his image, killed in the Old Testament
In Ecclesiastes 3 king Solomon writes there is a time for war. We as Christians can not exclude the Old Testament from our theology
Is it that simple though? I am questioning everything to find out what to believe. You shall not murder of course. Different than killing. Killing in defense of a person being killed, is different, or no? Someone is going to be murdered let's say. You can stop it. You don't. You let someone get murdered. Life taken. Now your'e complicit in a life taken. Perhaps you could say you didn't do the murder so you are not responsible. But if you could have prevented the murder, do you bear no responsibility?
A man sporting worldly tattoos in a v-neck t-shirt preaching from the pulpit. Behold the embarrassing state of the Christian Church today. Just shameful.
Simply Satan exposing himself and the church is the israelites nit a mixture of heathen ethnicities
I'm not certain if Jeff has a worldy agenda, but I don"t believe his wisdom comes from God.
@@Lee-xn8by your correct he's an agent of satan
@@Lee-xn8by You have prove?
...please don't just say things. Back up your statements with the Bible or don't speak. Please....
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2 Corinthians 10:4
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal,(steel swords ,knifes and guns } but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
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Words from God, 1 timothy 3:16. The scriptures above are God breathed.
How do you solve that contradictions? Simplec Galatians 4:24. It’s ALL ALLEGORY.
God doesn’t condone killing another made in His Image. When you kill another human, you are killing God. Sleep on that one you hypocrite
Exodus 22:2
This is literal