Thanks for the critiques and breakdown! Much appreciated. We have both really been practicing footwork and the third shot drop. We played against some outstanding 4.0 players a week or so ago and felt that punishment when we just slightly missed our drop or the drive was too high. Taught me a lot about the motion of a drop. 300 third shot drop practice shots coming up this week!
You're welcome. Just a note. When you or Scott hit a successful third shot drop, you have got to move forward. From what I saw in the game I posted, Scott did not move forward after doing so. If he doesn't, it's a blown opportunity. Best of luck.
Sadly, there's lots of sandbagging at Nationals. I don't think you guys stand much of a chance at 3.5 on a National level, but I hope you guys have fun. Its an awesome tournament! Post videos!!!
To answer the question posed ... no. Blue and Kid looked like 2 players who met for the first time on this court. Rob & Scott, I recommend some lessons with a coach who can help you with your teamwork and shot selection. (You're clearly working on stacking. Good! A good coach could help you two raise your game a lot.) Rob, you take your paddle back too far on your forehands. (You have a pretty good FH; it would be much better if your backswing never got behind your L hip.) Scott, when you're serving from the R court, stand closer to the Center Line. It will help you get into position more quickly ... and it will help Rob get into position better, too. Look at 10-9: Blue served to you, Scott. You hit a nice deep return and you came in to the NVZ! You and Rob won that point immediately. Rory, I'd say Rob's and Scott's comeback was due to two things. They DID hit more balls to Blue ... AND Kid was (IMO) over-playing to try and make up for Blue's deficiencies.
Rory, About 4:52, you say Scott put a slice-spin, aka side-spin, on the ball. They are two different things. Hard to tell with the camera but that looked like a side-spin to me. A side-spinning ball, especially with a high arc and little pace, will kick hard, opposite the paddle swing. A slice is an back-spinning ball. A side-spin ball has a curved flight path and it drops faster than a under-spinning ball. A slice (under-spin) hangs in the air.
I've watched them play numerous times over the course of a year. This is what they've got. Rob thanked me for pointing out what they can improve upon. Sorry to see you think my evaluation was inaccurate.
I've been playing for 3 months and I think it's pretty clear what many of the errors are. I feel like I play like the kid a lot trying to overcompensate for an out of position partner.
Very good analysis Rory. Honestly, the guy in blue looked like a right hander playing left handed. Didn't seem natural. If Rob is the guy I remember, I would say he has improved quite a bit but not a 3.5 yet. I never thought he could be but now am not so sure.
Mental errors are unforced errors . In requires no shot making skill to advance 100 % of the time up to the NVZ every time the circumstances exist allowing you to do so . Those that volunteerily fail to do so , like the guy in blue shirt are know in my book as " Base Line Campers , " and I find them very annoying to play with . And more often than not , when you point out their repeated refusal to advance and how you can never win that way , they just get mad . So I avoid teaming up with them , and when I play against them , I punish them with put-away shots at their feet....OVER & OVER & OVER again . And they still refuse to change ! But atleast I get to practice my put away shots , which is kinda a lot of fun .
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I am learning quite a bit from this channel. I figured that if you point it out to them that they would move up to the NVZ. I did not expect them to be mad. I know from playing lots of tennis, that many players are afraid of being at the net, they don't like the speed of play and feel safer in the backcourt and are willing to lose just to feel safer.
@cashmason374 when they are afraid of the Speed-Up game @ the NVZ line , I point out to them , that they will get accustomed to the ball speed @ the NVZ line over time . Eventually, they might even consider the ball speed there as slow motion speed. But they'll never get there if they never try . Maybe they should try Shuffle Board or Boccee Ball instead. These are 2 of the most strategically challenging games I've ever played and you don't need fast reactions either, plus , they'd make lotsa friends....just like Pickle-Ball!
I suggested they sign up at the 3.0 level. I was told their rating would not allow them to do so, so they're having to play at the 3.5 level. I'm not sure how they got raided at the 3.5 level.
We'll have to see. I do think they know what they're getting themselves into. I don't know how much they are expecting to medal. They may be playing just for the experience. Thanks for watching.
I dont see them medaling at 3.5 Nationals... I'd be surprised if they won any matches at all... but they have this pick-a-part, and a whole month to drill so they may surprise us, doubtful but hey. Lol
Rob, scott, Blue shirt are 3's black shirt is 3.25. A 3.5 would be correcting his partner, no one seemed to be able to bring their partner up to speed and if you cant do that, then you really are just as good as your partner.
yep, kid in black better player. There is no chance of winning a metal at US Open. most qualifiers have won a gold metal in state and regional tournaments. Not to mention, there will be 4.0 players in their bracket and tournement pressure.
The player in blue has terrible body mechanics. Most of the time his paddle was at his side and he kept hitting up on the ball. I’d agree the young kid was a better player. Decent not great. And you mentioned Scott’s downfall (hanging back).
Thanks for the critiques and breakdown! Much appreciated. We have both really been practicing footwork and the third shot drop. We played against some outstanding 4.0 players a week or so ago and felt that punishment when we just slightly missed our drop or the drive was too high. Taught me a lot about the motion of a drop. 300 third shot drop practice shots coming up this week!
You're welcome. Just a note. When you or Scott hit a successful third shot drop, you have got to move forward. From what I saw in the game I posted, Scott did not move forward after doing so. If he doesn't, it's a blown opportunity. Best of luck.
Sadly, there's lots of sandbagging at Nationals. I don't think you guys stand much of a chance at 3.5 on a National level, but I hope you guys have fun. Its an awesome tournament! Post videos!!!
To answer the question posed ... no.
Blue and Kid looked like 2 players who met for the first time on this court.
Rob & Scott, I recommend some lessons with a coach who can help you with your teamwork and shot selection. (You're clearly working on stacking. Good! A good coach could help you two raise your game a lot.)
Rob, you take your paddle back too far on your forehands. (You have a pretty good FH; it would be much better if your backswing never got behind your L hip.)
Scott, when you're serving from the R court, stand closer to the Center Line. It will help you get into position more quickly ... and it will help Rob get into position better, too. Look at 10-9: Blue served to you, Scott. You hit a nice deep return and you came in to the NVZ! You and Rob won that point immediately.
Rory, I'd say Rob's and Scott's comeback was due to two things. They DID hit more balls to Blue ... AND Kid was (IMO) over-playing to try and make up for Blue's deficiencies.
Very nice observations. And, nice of you giving Rob and Scott pointers. May help them get better. Thanks for watching.
Rory,
About 4:52, you say Scott put a slice-spin, aka side-spin, on the ball.
They are two different things.
Hard to tell with the camera but that looked like a side-spin to me. A side-spinning ball, especially with a high arc and little pace, will kick hard, opposite the paddle swing.
A slice is an back-spinning ball.
A side-spin ball has a curved flight path and it drops faster than a under-spinning ball.
A slice (under-spin) hangs in the air.
I think I meant to say slice spin. Thanks.
I love how everyone knows everything from 1 10pm game. Keep up the accurate work 😊
I've watched them play numerous times over the course of a year. This is what they've got. Rob thanked me for pointing out what they can improve upon. Sorry to see you think my evaluation was inaccurate.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I was referring more to the gallery, not your commentary
I've been playing for 3 months and I think it's pretty clear what many of the errors are. I feel like I play like the kid a lot trying to overcompensate for an out of position partner.
at 1:23 does the ball not have to bounce in the non-kitchen area first?
Nope. It doesn't. As long as it's in the court, it's good. Except, on the serve. If a serve lands in the kitchen it is not good. Thanks for asking.
Only on a serve. All other shots can land in the kitchen.
spot-on analysis, Rori. They will get crushed if they both don't get up to the NVZ!
Yes, at that level, they will be in trouble. Thanks for watching.
I think the only player out there that might be 3.5 is the kid in black
I agree with that. I do think Rob is somewhere between 3.0 and 35. So, give him a 3.25. Thanks for watching.
I agree...poor Rob and Scott...hope they have fun, though.
I think he is definitely 3.5. He looked bad at times because he was constantly covering for his partner who was always out of position.
Very good analysis Rory. Honestly, the guy in blue looked like a right hander playing left handed. Didn't seem natural. If Rob is the guy I remember, I would say he has improved quite a bit but not a 3.5 yet. I never thought he could be but now am not so sure.
He seems to be working on it. Thanks for watching.
I play almost similarly to the young scholar in black, with a little more aggression especially with high volley
I consider myself a 3.35 tho haha
Thanks for watching.
Mental errors are unforced errors . In requires no shot making skill to advance 100 % of the time up to the NVZ every time the circumstances exist allowing you to do so . Those that volunteerily fail to do so , like the guy in blue shirt are know in my book as " Base Line Campers , " and I find them very annoying to play with . And more often than not , when you point out their repeated refusal to advance and how you can never win that way , they just get mad . So I avoid teaming up with them , and when I play against them , I punish them with put-away shots at their feet....OVER & OVER & OVER again . And they still refuse to change ! But atleast I get to practice my put away shots , which is kinda a lot of fun .
This is so spot on. In rec play, when I get teamed up with someone who will not move up and gets mad when I suggest they do, is no fun.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I am learning quite a bit from this channel. I figured that if you point it out to them that they would move up to the NVZ. I did not expect them to be mad. I know from playing lots of tennis, that many players are afraid of being at the net, they don't like the speed of play and feel safer in the backcourt and are willing to lose just to feel safer.
@cashmason374 when they are afraid of the Speed-Up game @ the NVZ line , I point out to them , that they will get accustomed to the ball speed @ the NVZ line over time . Eventually, they might even consider the ball speed there as slow motion speed. But they'll never get there if they never try . Maybe they should try Shuffle Board or Boccee Ball instead. These are 2 of the most strategically challenging games I've ever played and you don't need fast reactions either, plus , they'd make lotsa friends....just like Pickle-Ball!
I concur with previous comments, only the young man in black is close to a real 3.5. Scott and Rob will get bounced early in a US Open 3.5 category.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion.
Worked on getting to the kitchen line faster and more consistently! Check out my last 4.0+ match video and let me know if you see improvement 😮
I'll give it a look. Thanks.
These guys should look into playing in a 3.0 tournament.
I suggested they sign up at the 3.0 level. I was told their rating would not allow them to do so, so they're having to play at the 3.5 level. I'm not sure how they got raided at the 3.5 level.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 yeah. Dupr seems to be way off. A lot of 3.9 players out there now who aren’t really.
Good video and breakdown. No chance Rob and Scott will win a metal at 3.5.
We'll have to see. I do think they know what they're getting themselves into. I don't know how much they are expecting to medal. They may be playing just for the experience. Thanks for watching.
These players will struggle in a 3.5 tournament they need to consider playing at the 3.0 level.
I think they will struggle at a 3.0 tournament.
I dont see them medaling at 3.5 Nationals... I'd be surprised if they won any matches at all... but they have this pick-a-part, and a whole month to drill so they may surprise us, doubtful but hey. Lol
Haha! Rob responded by saying he was going to hit 300 third shot drops over the next few days. Thanks for watching.
They need to practice deep serves. Every one of their serves is mid court. Not 3.5 play.
If they hit serve that are not deep, it could cause them problems.
Rob, scott, Blue shirt are 3's black shirt is 3.25. A 3.5 would be correcting his partner, no one seemed to be able to bring their partner up to speed and if you cant do that, then you really are just as good as your partner.
I think that's a fair assessment. Thanks for watching.
Honestly, they probably won’t win a game at 3.5 in the US Open.
You could be right. Sometimes teams in those tournaments play down because they are forced to. Thanks for watching.
yep, kid in black better player. There is no chance of winning a metal at US Open. most qualifiers have won a gold metal in state and regional tournaments. Not to mention, there will be 4.0 players in their bracket and tournement pressure.
Yes. Some players will be playing down.
These guys will get killed by real 3.5 players. They are just 3.0!
I think you may be right. Thanks for watching.
The player in blue has terrible body mechanics. Most of the time his paddle was at his side and he kept hitting up on the ball.
I’d agree the young kid was a better player. Decent not great. And you mentioned Scott’s downfall (hanging back).
Thanks for your comments and thanks for watching.