26:10 they are NOT confused. They are choosing "WHITE" as their race and "Latin" as their ethnicity. They don't chose "Black" and "Latin". That's the choice they are making.
I choose Black and Cuban all the time. My family has been proudly Afro(Mali Empire) Cubans for generations. Even without DNA tests we knew who we were. No one in my family has ever claimed to be anything but Black.
In my experience most Puerto Ricans would not consider themselves either black or white. Many identify more with black people than with white people, but most just want to be considered Puerto Rican, without being forced to choose.
@@Fahima90 that's correct, but it doesn't change what I'm saying. Puerto Ricans by and large, just like blacks from most other countries (DR, Colombia, Jamaica, etc) want to be identified by their country, not their race. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying they view it differently than American black people do.
I watched your program and I think what's happening with many views is that there is a pan africanism movement presuming to believe that most Puerto Ricans are black and they're not. I find that woke American blacks are trying to impose their culture and the race definition onto our island and that is highly inaccurate. We dont need external views racializing our society. We don't have the same racial problems that exist in the USA. Puerto Rican people was at home regardless of white, mixed, mestizo, Taino and African influences are united
I'm german and Puerto rican and when I was a little kid in the 1970s if you had one drop of non-white blood, not black Just non white blood Then you were considered to be black. If you seen me, With really light skin. But when I was a kid my mom and dad couldn't get married because it's illegal in the United States According to the federal government. AND most white people In the southern states still feel that way. The only reason Why some of them deal with it? It's because they're outnumbered by black and brown people In the world. But the people in the South.They don't want nobody that aint white if you went into a KKk meeting even if you look like you had real light skin as soon as they hear An accent or you speaking spanish Or If you have skin That's not pale white. They're not gonna accept you no matter what. And I live in the north Minnesota where they accept most people. But.they'll still talk behind your back!
@@09robinhood better question is, why are you going into a KKK meeting knowing good and well. If you are not lily white, you're not accepted. Plus, what does that say about that person coming from a diverse background. Going to a clan meeting looking to be accepted by hateful racist people.
No one pressumes "most Puerto Rican people are Black", absolutely no one. Secondly, you are highly delusional if you think that everybody on the Island of PR, are looked at and treated the same. Nor do they feel the same about the culture and heritage of the mixture of people on the island. A lot of PR's claim their Blackness, no matter the lightness or darkness of their skin tones. And yes, y'all have and still have remnants of that old Slave history on your Island. You have colorism, racism, and classism. So please stop trying to act as if the plight of colonization did not and does not affect how people are seen and represented in PR. Nextly, you might want to do some research on what the true authentic meaning behind "woke" is. Because what you're trying to pawn it off as, is straight Trumpism. The delusions of harmony and being united as one. While still maintaining a level of separation from the "other" in your country. I don't understand is, that everybody has a problem with being associated with Blackness, but no problem with consuming everything coming from Black culture. What really boggles my mind is that y'all have no problem whatsoever. Clinging on to this idea of whiteness and wanting to be as closely associated with whiteness as possible. Associating and accepting an identity of your Colonizers. You're okay with being a part of a people who were, kidnappers, r@pist, enslavers, murderers and thieves. But not with the people who were oppressed and overcame all of this adversity. Hmm, says a whole lot about who you are and the values you hold dear.
The 2010 and 2020 Census form allowed Puerto Ricans to identify anyway they want. Puerto Rican is given as an option for Hispanic. The forms then asks for your race. You can write in your race if you don't like the options they give. In 2010, 75% of Puerto Ricans identified as white. In 2020 the number dropped to 17%. So lets not rewrite history and act like Puerto Ricans weren't mostly identifying as white as recently as 2010.
NOT allowed, were forced to. I had an augment in front of my house with a Caucasian census worker because I refused to identify as white on form. She stated that that was the ONLY OPTION. I refused adamantly. I told her to look at me do I look white to her. She told me that she would have to declare me as refusing to comply. I told her write whatever you want just don’t write white.
It comes down to re- education after centuries of being mis- educated. It may have taken a while but I'm happy to see that many of my Afro- Latino brethren have started declining the colonialist tea.
Im Latino and anytime in school that any documentation regarding race, I was forced to put white, I remember being confused and asking my teacher why and she said it was the proper classification for Latinos in the US Cencus, I felt very uncomfortable and didn’t want to cause any problems but after a while I just put other because it’s weird, even when I got a ticket couple years back the police officer wrote White Male on the paperwork, The problem is Latinos don’t fit the out dated black or white narrative in America, we are a mixed people with Indigenous, African and European blood. We are mixed, back in the day mixed wasn’t an option on the census but I think now they have added more options.
Some Puerto Ricans,Dominicanos,Cubans don't know the difference between nationality and race.I've experienced racism in these households until they found out that I was of Panamainian descent and then I was received with open arms and these people were darker than I was
In the U.S., Caribbeans have similar experiences. They may be perceived as “black” until their accent and name gives them away. And then they get asked questions such as “is you black?” To which the person will likely reply (proudly) with their nationality. From that point they are no longer perceived as “black” unless they start to become a threat by being more successful and dispelling certain stereotypes. When this starts happening, they become just another “black” person who happens to speak Spanish per se. And like crabs in a bucket the term “black” is used to once again forgo nationality and distinct cultures to try to bring a person or group-mentally and physically-to the bottom.
Black folks must realize as Dr. John Henrik Clark said, "we have no friends." I have absolutely nothing against Puerto Ricans or any Latino groups for that matter, but they've all decided to make that distinction that they weren't Black. Nowadays, they are gloming onto hip hop for its cultural and financial significance, but we all know the truth. I wish them all the best, but as a member of the global family of African descendants, we should only be concerned with our own issues. Time has proven time and again that there is no real Black and Brown coalition. Call it what it is and move on.
Brother, I know how easy it is to feel pessimistic, but freedom and liberation are intersectional and indivisible so Black struggles are intrinsically linked to popular struggles all over the world. Black people actually do have many friends. The Palestinian People are one good example. Also, I personally know many Hispanic people who are allies and friends of Black people and their struggles for justice, as well as people from all different walks of life. Sadly, they get drowned out by the voices of white supremacy both within and outside the POC communities.
It's interesting to watch how direct and unambiguous these ladies were right up til Lamont started asking about the concept of "Blackness" in Puerto Rican society - lol. Everyone dances around it, but admitting how despised the you-know-what community is worldwide is still taboo. Latin Americans, regardless of where they come from, don't want to be affiliated with our community any more than anyone else does. There are outliers, for sure, but the behavior of the majority is as clear as day. lol
@@el-Cu9432 No, but we've heard many people from New York admitting the r*c*sm of Latinos during the formulation of hip hop in the Bronx and elsewhere. And those were FBA and Puerto Ricans admitting that. Also, even apart from hip hop, there are Latinos all over the Internet admitting Anti-B r*c*sm in their communities. I think we're done needing any more evidence at this time.
@@el-Cu9432, lol-I know what your societies look like. I know how colorism plays a role in your politics, education (higher and lower), corporate makeup, etc. It's not difficult to see... at all.
@christintinet6336 I totally agree 💯 ‼️ The Brown people are strong in their fight to not be aligned or even fully accept Black people. Yes they're a few who are Allies, but the large majority are moreso in step with white people
She lies a lot and we here don't think as she, she is blatantly lying and we will not be free as she says, unless the usa wants to get rid of us, otherwise not.
(I apologize for the long text) Puerto Rico didn’t get “white washed”. The Original people where Tainos when Spaniards (white Europeans) arrived to the Island in 1492. Tainos weren’t white or black they were Arawakan Indians from South America. Black Africans got introduced to the Island as slaves in 1513. Since then we been mixing. Yes, there is black Puerto Ricans and also white Puerto Ricans but we all share European, African and Taino DNA. We don’t put our skin color first like in USA. It doesn’t matter the color of our skin, we are Puerto Rican. The darkest Puerto Rican and the whitest share the same culture. It’s not like the USA were black people and whites have different cultures instead of calling themselves Americans first. USA didn’t white washed Puerto Rico they arrived in 1898 and we were mixing between whites, black and Tainos since hundreds of years before that. We don’t deny our Taino and black African ancestry. But that doesn’t mean we’re not proud of our white ancestors. Without those three our Puerto Rican culture would not exist. Asking a Puerto Rican to embrace 1 race is asking him to deny the other races that make him Puerto Rican. There is white people, blonde, blues eyes in my family and also black. When a Puerto Rican or Dominican say they’re not black it means we dont identify with African American Culture and most of us are too mixed to embrace 1 race. I tracked my family(father side) to Spain, and Portugal to the 8 century. A lot of my ancestors where Spaniards soldiers (white Conquistadors) and my first ancestor arrived with Juan Ponce de Leon and was in the foundation of Caparra (Puerto Rico first Spaniard capital) in the 1500’s. My Great Grandpa was a Black Puerto Rican and I loved him and both of my parents are white and Im mixed with with most European features than African. The first time I learned about racism and skin color division was when I arrived to USA when I was 8 years old. My DNA test results: Portugal: 19% Benin & Togo: 18% Spain: 14% Senegal: 11% cameroon congo & western bantu peoples: 8% Taino: 6% Nigeria: 4% France: 4% Marfil Coast and Ghana: 3% Northern Africa: 3% Basque Country: 2% Scotland: 2% Ireland: 2% Egyptian: 1% Yucatán peninsula native: 1% South American native: 1% Edit: United States needs to Solve their race problems instead of taking that to others countries were it has never been an issue. I’m proud of all my European, Taino and African ancestry)
Don't delineate your culture just acknowledge your blackness. In the US we know you're not a black American culturally we know your lineage is different. But if you look like me and say your not black and I'm categorized as black in this country most people take that as rejecting your blackness. It's really not as complicated as you think. I'm 36% European and 64% African but culturally I'm American and Racially in the US I'm black.
As sad as this dialogue is. We are STILL HERE. WE LIKE THE INDIGENOUS COPPER COLOURED MELINATED SWARTHY AMERICAN INDIANS OF TURTLE 🐢 ISLAND 🏝️, HAVE BEEN MIS CLASSIFIED AND RENAMED. THROUGH PAPER ILLUMINATION. NOT KNOWING WE ARE ALL ONE FAMILY! AND WE ARE ALL ONE FAMILY!
Singapore is a small country, smaller than Puerto Rico, and they are free. Of course, Puerto Rico can be free. The health care system in Puerto Rico was free until they had to privatized it at the behest of the United States so that private insurance companies could come in and now is a disaster. In the constitution of Puerto Rico, there was a section guaranteeing accessible health care to everyone, and the US forced Puerto Rico to erase it. Colonies exist to make their colonizers rich, not the other way around.
@@Rayjack-m9o There is no such thing as free. You simply remove the middle man, like here in Spain, which is what the Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño proposes, and the money from the coffers goes directly to the doctors and the patients. By the way, that is not mutually exclusive to having a private medical insurance. We have both here and it is feasible because when private insurance has to compete with the state, prices drop a lot, and people end up choosing either based on immediate or long term needs. I pay with public medical insurance through my taxes and my employer pays me my private medical insurance. Easy peexy lemon squeezy.
PR can't be free with the corruption that white Puerto Ricans in the govt perpetuate. I say it like that because they make it clear that politics in Puerto Rico has a color and its white.
@josephLindor-ki7op Well, l am African Americans, born, raised, and came of age in Harlem during that period. There were African Americans, Caribbeans, and Puerto Ricans who created Hip Hop. No one who wasn't even born yet, from another place and time is going to tell me what I lived.
So much disinformation in this video. To say that until 1993, Puerto Ricans wouldn’t know about Africans being enslaved is absolutely FALSE. I was born and raised in the island, graduated high school in PR, we absolutely learned that once the taínos were mostly exterminated the Spanish HAD to import African slaves for their labor. This is the problem. These people may have fancy titles or degrees but they’re absolutely uninformed. So many inaccuracies. You need to fact check these people.
Wow! That we don’t know we are part African???? My goodness! I can guarantee there is no PuertoRican born and raised on the island that doesn’t know that. That is taught EVERYWHERE all the way from elementary school to high school in every single school, public or private.
the Spanish did not "exterminate" the indigenous, that is part of the anti spanish black legend pushed by anglo countries. Many of the indigenous died because they did not have immunity to common diseases found in Europe.
Cuba was a colony however, Puerto Rico became a province of Spain in 1897. It had its own currency and had representation in the Spanish Government. It is interesting how, these so called “imaginary historians” create a narratives to please the ignorant masses. And as they speak, they confuse the public by leaving out chronological events, thus contributing to more confusion and negative opinions.
@@kamargee9680 Prove it. PR was the most loyal oversea province to Spain; almost 400 years. When the British had Florida (for 20 years - 1760's-1780's), it offered Florida in exchange for Puerto Rico, and Spain refused. There was a revolution in Cuba, not Puerto Rico. And it was the Spanish settlers in Puerto Rico, with Ponce de Leon, that tried to settle Florida in 1521(today, Continental U.S.), but were unsuccessful after a few months. These Puerto Rican settlers were recruited in Havana (1521-1522, after the death of Ponce) and sent to help Cortes invade Mexico and establish first settlement there.
Pierto Rico was a province of Spain since 1809, a Puerto Rican congressman signed the Spanish constitution in 1812 and became the first Vice President of the Spanish Congress, his name Ramon Power y Giralt. Puerto Rico also became Spain's first Autonomy in 1897. By 1898 Puerto Rico had 15 congressmen and 2 senators representing all the regions of Puerto Rico in the Spanish Congress.
As a Haitian, I agree but sometimes the "mixed" identity is used as a soft denial of blackness. I'm fully aware of anti-blackness sentiment through Latin America. If people don't want to identify as black, leave them alone. I LOVE BEING BLACK....
@@restlesman It is perfectly normal to feel better around people with the same ethnic, national, social and educational background as us. That's being human, and totally unrelated to racism.
@@restlesman But Boricuas aren't denying our African lineage. On the contrary, we celebrate it and still practice our Bomba dance and other traditions. So what denial??? We just don't live by American constructs of what color is or is not.
@rogerbrooks8266 We both had the opportunity to do work with Sallie O'Brian of Cuba in Focus; co-hosted Under the Learning Tree with the late Kamou Kalfoni, in addition to being a line producer for Wake Up Call, the morning show co-hosted by Bernard White and Amy Goodman.
@@Fahima90 you really bring back memories by digging down in the crates as they say. . I remember Wake Up Call , which was my listening show in the morning going to work , and of course Sally O’Brien and Bernard White, they are pillars of WBAI radio. I remember when I used to listen to Bernard’s show “ Emanations” , which aired on Sunday and Ms O’Brien, I’m seeing her face now, I believe her show Cuba In Focus was on a Thursday, it’s been so long I can’t remember . I don’t hear her anymore. Is she still around. As you know Amy is doing “ Democracy Now”. I’m not Familiar with the Learning Tree,I guess I missed that one. My condolences to Mr. Kalfoni. I did some volunteer work during fund raisers with my son years ago .We must of past each other…….pGreat minds think alike…… what’s going on in SA. One of my laces to visit.
I’m 100% Boricua. I respect the independentistas and value their ideals. In addition to Dr. Albizua Campos I’ll include cancel Rios and Maribras. My DNA is largely Portugual, Spain and Taino. I have some west African. I’ve traveled in Latin America and noticed that Caribbean blacks have greater visibility. 👍
I have nothing against Puerto Ricans personally at all, as most of them have treated me with kindness and respect. I can’t say that for the other Latino like Salvadoran and Mexicans(largely Mestizos) who have shown me as a black American (in my experience) to be extremely racist . People can identify as whatever they want, but they need to make a decision and stick with it. Don’t straddle the fence and decide to be black when it benefits you, then go back to another side when it’s convenient. Stand ten toes down with whatever/whoever you are and own it. That’s all I’m saying.
Agreed! They have a lot of racism towards blacks. Compete with blacks for jobs and check white on applications. I personally believe the heart of the Latino community and culture are the black Latinos. All the dancing and foods is high jacked by paler skinned Latinos.
It’s very hard to decide who you are when you are a mix of many! I’m like 60% European, 21% black and 19% indigenous (like many other Puerto Ricans) but I look indigenous with white skin. So, you tell me, racially speaking, what am I?
@@Mimi-ht6xr It’s all the same. That food is similar to Jamaican cuisine. Upper class black Americans don’t speak Ebonics. lol There are black attorneys, nurses, doctors, politicians, professors, judges, theologians, police officers, etc. Get over yourself!
@@maranon100 There are so many Latino groups all over the internet, including Puerto Ricans, admitting Anti-B r*c*sm, aka colorism, exists. These are just every day people. Google r*c*sm in PR and see the results pop up like popcorn. This post is not leading anyone to that conclusion. The practices in PR are.
So happy to see and hear this program on my beloved island Puerto Rico. Thank you for having these two wonderful women to speak on the various issues that inhabit the island. My hero was Albizu Campos. Adios
What is "blackness" and who gets to define it? This conversation is all wrong. Marc you are looking at "blackness" from the lens of an American. People from islands like Puerto Rico have their own view on what is "blackness" and how they self-identify that is not dependent on the mainland experience of black Americans. Puerto Ricans may not identify as black because that's a purely mainland identification, not because they are ashamed of their African roots. Puerto Ricans are still very closely related to their African ancestry. I would say closer than black people in the mainland, not of any fault of their own but because their African identify was stripped away. But this brings us back to my question. What is "blackness" and who gets to define it? If it's the American experience and identity then that's not universal. Dominicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Haitians, Jamaicans, etc..., may have a different understanding of "blackness" and you can't dismisses it because it's not the American version.
Blackness and African are not the same thing, i agree with you the the American construct of black as a catch all for nonwhite is the problem!!! We have to be careful of blurring of terms like race and ethnicity. These are games of white supremacy. As an African that is not multiracial, I support mixed or multi racial peoples right to self identity. It is profoundly important to respect that, we however have to careful not to let white supremacy put its foot on the scale.
@@KwameInnisPR's understand the lens of black and white. Thats why they PR's who look like these woman mark white down for race. When they get to America they seem to understand white and blackness just fine. I found that out along time ago. They say one thing and when you check the paperwork. It's says White for race. As for Africans and Blackness. The only group who understands Blkness are SAcan's.
Maybe some of those same Black Americans have much more of a say so than many have even considered. It's not always cut and dry, but regional inter-Americas slavery records were not always kept, and these DNA results are often times revealing things that superficiality angles with no further deeper study fail to uncover: Chromosomes do not recognize ethnicity and nationality, but the clustering of triangulated polynucleotides and relational sequences it does, and both groups of people can share that truth in regards to relativity.
We are Gods chosen in the bible. Why do you think they're obsessed? They saw hebrew/canaan writings on the Island that tell us who they are. IT'S THAT YOU DON'T KKNOW WHO YOU ARE. Our people worship a bottle of Rum more than GOD !!!!! READ THE BIBLE AND SEE WHO THE GODS CHOSEN ARE.
First of all, no disrespect to ms. Clemente but nobody on the island uses the term "afro-latino", afro-boricua maybe, but that's about it, and for those that swear that we are sooo racist and soo "anti-black", understand that in PR we have been preserving our African heritage longer than the United States has even existed, oh and not to mention that Juneteenth is recognized in Puerto Rico, yep, look it up, there's no "erasing" of blackness, there's a threat of erasing our identity as puertoricans with gentrification, we're dealing with the U.S. Karens telling beach goers to "get off their property!" because they think they own the shoreline in front of their houses which by law that's not true at all, that's a problem, it's not about race.
Hello Ramon, pls have someone help you with your English grammar. Your message comes from the heart and I am in agreement. However, your important message loses its ''punch'' because of run on sentence problems, etc, etc. You are basically well expressed . But we all need to improve our communications' skills. Good luck, sir.
@bkallday2998 You tried to pull a fast one. Reggie Jackson's father (Martinez Jackson) being half PR doesn't make Reggie Jackson PR. His mother is African American btw.
Hey Marc, it’s important to stop using the term “mainland Americans” in the context of Puerto Rico (Boriquén). The reasons are twofold, first because we are not “Americans” in the US sense, and second because the US is NOT our mainland. Our islands are our mainland, and we are our own mainlanders. US Americans have no relation to us nor our islands. They are colonizers here, plain and simple.
Y’all thing is lighting the race all ya grandparents wanted to be excepted by colonizers. I grew up with cousins who half Puerto Rican an it was evident they grandma didn’t like black kids. I’ve never been around a black elder who gave off that type of energy. Nobody cares about what’s going on in Puerto Rico but Ricans who live there. An Puerto Ricans even lying about hip hop 😂 when came late an contributed nothing, everything about rap is black American roots an dna. Only thing y’all contributed is y’all mommas an aunties to dope boy’s 😂
Then turn in your passport and stop accepting aid from the USA. That we aren't Americans but we want to have passports and beg Americans for aid is CRAZY! PR most entitled and confused people on the planet
Puerto Rico should get its independence and join BRICS +. This way, we preserve our Hispanic Culture, ethnicity and language. We are not Anglo Americans and many do not want to be. Many are wanting to return to the Spanish Province it use to be (now, Spain & EU). At least we can preserve our culture and language with them.
Do you live on the island? Do you realize how corrupt the govt is? It's horrific. The island being on its own with these buzzards in govt in control with utterly destroy the island
this conversation would be very different if you have it with Black feminist collectives based in the archipelago. Puerto Rican experiences are extremely different in you're Black, non-Black, PR born, US born, Spanish speaking, English speaking, bilingual, poor, wealthy, etc. I was a bit shocked by the statement about identifying more with the US than with the rest of latin america, something many Puerto Ricans would deny, because many consider themselves more Latin-American than in any relationship with the US. for many Puerto Ricans the US is just a foreign oppressor. Puerto Rico is at the same time part of the Caribbean, part of Latin America, an occupied colony of the US, a former Spanish colony. Many Puerto Ricans are part of the African diaspora, many identify as indigenous. Some identify as afro-indigenous, others as white (and benefit as such). Blackness is definitely an issue in Puerto Rico, that while "celebrated" in the forms of customs, music, and food remains a marginalizing factor when it comes to politics and economy. Loiza (Aldea) was abandoned by central government for decades. The poor urban areas of the capital, where I grew up and my grandparents come from, are super racialized. It takes just a little effort to watch how white supremacy is rampant on local TV. Go to any high class private school and you will notice the lack of Black people. Racism towards our Black Caribbean siblings is part of the local imaginary, by design. Spanish colonial ideology was racist. US colonial ideology is racist too. That's more than 500 years of white supremacist ideology. In PR we learn the history of the US, but the history of Haiti is not part of the school curriculum, even if Haiti has more to do with our struggles for liberation than that of the colonial US empire. Black Puerto Ricans have always been part of our struggles for emancipation in and beyond PR, just think of Arturo Alfonso Schomburg during the Harlem Renaissance, or the great abolitionist Martin Sostre in Buffalo, NY, or the great nationalist Pedro Albizu Campo, killed by the CIA, but who, during an incredible life became a consultant in the drafting of the constitution of the Irish Free State.
Not true, The Spanish Crown allowed mixed marriages since early 16th century. Puerto Rican society was fully integrated into one thanks to Spain., that is why the Puerto Rican is mixed raced (dna studies :70% iberian, 20% subsaharian 10% indigenous) Hispanic societies are integrated, the US society is the opposite of any Hispanic society, US is segregated because the british did not allow racial integration and mixed marriages, finally the US legally allowed it in all states in 1967 ( see Loving Vs. Virginia- Supreme Court Case).
We are Puerto Ricans , slavery was abolish in P.R. in 1873. About 15% of the population is black or Mullato. The rest are white or mix with Tainos.There are towns in Island that the majority of Puerto Rican are white specially in the mountains. We accept who we are , we see each other as Puerto Ricans.We are not going to denied white Puerto Ricans because some people in states wants to push blackness on every body. The majority of Puerto Ricans are white and the majority of black Puerto Ricans are found in Loiza and Ponce.We see each other as family no matter what color we are.
I don't think anybody is asking your to deny "whiteness"....as a Haitian, the most African black on this side of the world, I know blackness is something racially ambigious people are always running away from. Denying whiteness was not what was being convey in this conversation. Don't worry, you'll make it into white heaven
That’s not true. Where are you getting this from. Always trying to deny what you are. This crap is killing me. Pick up a book. When you deny yourself, you deny history. My god.
1873? More like 1898 due the Spanish American War. The Spanish King tried to stop the trade n ownership in the Lesser Antilles and going west but the Spanish nobles in the Caribbean and North and South America (around 1820-50) said fk that. British outlawed trade/ownership of all slaves in the late 1700s in their colonies and the UK. During the war of 1812 the British invaded America with Brigades of Africans soldiers and sailors (no Black Americans) So the order of slave abolishment England (King orders) Spain(king orders) USA(war)
Cuando yo llegue a USA en el 1993 tenia 10 años de edad a mi no me hacia sentido porque me desian Hispanic or hispano. Porque yo no soy de España yo soy de Borinquen y por eso es que yo me considero Boricua. (PuertoRiqueño). Y yo me desia a pues so yo soy hispano Hispanic pues ellos son Ingleses. Osea la gente de orogen Afriano y Europeo. Pero siempre supue que tenia cultura y etencia Taina Afriakana y Española porque eso lo aprendi en la historia en PR. Ahora lo que pasa es eso de identificarse de ser Negro o ser blanco es algo de USA. Mis padres nunca me dijero que yo soy Blanco o Negro siempre me desian que soy Boricua. Ahora a todos lados que voy la gente me dicen Cano y cuando yo era niño detestaba eso pero ya me acostrumbre. Ahora mi familia somos mezcaldo y todos nos tratamos iguales hay blancos y negros o nativos pero yo era siego a eso cuando vivia en PR. De color mi mama es negrita y mi papa es Blankito. Pero somos Boricuas. Ahora aka en USA yo eh pasado problemas con gente por ser Boricua aka en la escuela y el trabajo con gente de origen Eurpepo y gente de orogen Africano.
@@cdiz765 Depende. La cultura es también gastronomía, bailes, la música, el arte en general, y los caribeños tenemos herencia en esos renglones tanto de África como de España. De dónde cree que son los tambores que originaron la conga, la tambora, el bongó, el pandero? Igualmente la gastronomía caribeña tiene mucho de Africa, tanto así, que los platos típicos o populares de otros lugares del Caribe de población principalmente negra como Jamaica es bien parecida a la de Cuba, PR y RD.
Boy, what a wonderful and informative interview with these two very intelligent and smart ladies who have a deep and penetrating knowledge of the subject of Puerto Rico past, present, and future. I learned something that I didn't know very much about. Thank you all.
Barely black people in PR, just tanned people due the extreme sun rays. Basically we are white, less than 10 percent of people here is black, that is a fact.
I don't know that it is shame as much as it is the lack of need to identify as black. We're looking at this through an American lens. Because of our history in the US, black Americans (for the most part) don't identify with any country. So we call ourselves black. Everywhere else, including DR, PR, Colombia, even Jamaica, the black people there consider themselves of that country. They call themselves Puerto Rican, Colombian, Jamaican, etc... not black. We can't expect black people in other countries to feel the same way we do, when their history is not the same.
From that debate you can see how important history narrative must be explained from a viewpoint point of natives to bring more details. Rosa Clement has a clear understanding of that topic that Danielle Clealand who just studies those topics as a scholar. The funny thing in the western world is that scholars are given more importance with their biases misunderstanding of real history. Rosa Clement should have been given more time to express herself.
I knew Rosa would know what PR should do! I Love you and your no-nonsense attitude! CALL OUT THE FAKE! THAT’S HOW WORK GETS DONE. No politicking for you ! Love it! ❤❤❤
If they want to identify as just Rican let them. No need to impose America’s black vs white rhetoric. Some may be colorist and that should be addressed I haven’t heard no good argument from these ladies against statehood. As Americans they could demand things from the US
La Lupe is Cuban, born in Santiago de Cuba. The photo you had of her was with Benny More a famous Cuban singer. Afro Cubans created salsa music from Son, Cha Cha, etc.... It is very easy to Google that Lupe is a proud Cubana from Santiago de Cuba.
The British, the Spanish and later the usa. All were claiming land for their empires. All the islands suffered the same fate. The British and the Spanish was battling for control of newly found lands to conquer. This was all under dum DIVERSAS. One of the 1st places was Nassau Bahamas which had the so called Maroon people ( african and natives both labeled by the conquers. Look at show called BLACK SAILS. season 3 and 4. They just basically too the people land because they had a army with ships. They would setup a governor and govern the people's land and write in their books they were salvage and needed to be governed by the so call civilized world. This was under papal bulls . It was a land grab. This WAS THE INQUISITION
Not too long ago in the US, if you had one drop of black blood, you were considered to be black. I think the opposite applies in Hispanic nations, so the Europeans defined us then and continue to define our humanity and interactions today.
@@marclamonthillofficialI see a lots of culture vultures are out to steal AA brother's invention. you and i and hip hop heads knows it's an AA invention. the nerve
Mark wants to imposed American black culture on a Hispanic culture. We are rooted in Hispanidad and feel at home in Spanish speaking countries and Spain. We would be lost in African nations and we do not speak Swagili.
CORNY BUT I CANT GET MAD CUZ MOST PEOPLE INCLUDING PUERTO RICANS DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN REALLY GOING ON ALL THESE YEARS! HOWEVER, THIS IS HOW MESSED UP EUROPEANS HAVE ALL OF US… PUERTO RICO HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST AND HEAVIEST AFRICAN (specifically YORUBAN/NIGERIAN) PRESENCE IN EVERYTHING THEY ARE AND DO YET WERE CONDITIONED TO NOT SEE IT FOR CENTURIES… AND IF THEY THEMSELVES DON’T SEE IT, IT’S NO WONDER THE WORLD DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS TRUTH!!!….
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AND OTHER YT/LATINO/HISPANICS/SPANISH PEOPLE!!! A LOT OF US ARE EXTREMELY PROUD OF BEING OF AFRICAN DESCENT!!!! AAAND CUBANS, DOMINICANS, AND PUERTO RICANS ARE NOT LATINO/HISPANIC/SPANISH, WE’RE AFRO-CARIBBEAN, DUMBY!!!!! 😂 SMH
Puerto Rico didn’t help create hip hop, they actually joined the movement late, they didn’t start break dancing almost until the early 80s, and they involvement in soul, rock, blues, sick, and jazz are almost non existent in black culture
@jkashdamoneyman5870 Of course, they did not create Hip Hop culture, which is an extension of Black American culture. There's nothing Latin or Caribbean about Hip Hop. Yet they come on here trying to spew unity while attempting to perpetrate a most divisive move. Respect your own heritage and respect that of other people. Without that, there is no unity.
@drexreflects Kool Herc is on record, i.e., video, admitting that he assimilated to Black American culture. He also admitted that Hip Hop actually began 2- to-3 years before 1973. In addition, he admitted that he observed Black Americans waiting for the break portion of the record to do break dancing, which inspired him to create his Merry Go Round technique. He also admitted that he was not influenced by Jamaican sound system but by Black American DJs whom he calls by name. Hip Hop is a Black American, aka FBA, genre. Herc was functioning in an existing culture. He did not import Hip Hop from Jamaica, as it was not in Jamaica but in America before he joined the culture. No one brought a whole culture to Black American neighborhoods. We've had the most musical culture for centuries. Herc did not create Hip Hop culture. He innovated the extension of breakbeats. Therefore, he is a contributor. Many of these other people claiming to be contributors are merely participants. Nevertheless, the culture is Black American, with the elements being compiled by urban Black youth in NY from existing FBA Culture. Hip Hop is synonymous with the term "sampling." It pretty much capitalized on what already existed in those early days, not just the rapping but the other elements as well.
@@randted Your oringal comment said theres NOTHING Carribean about hip-hop. While it's true that hip hop emerged as a distinct cultural phenomenon in urban Black American communities, its roots and evolution have been shaped by diverse cultural influences beyond the United States. Scholars and cultural historians point to several key contributions from African and Caribbean musical traditions that have significantly impacted the development of hip hop: Rhythmic Influences: African rhythmic traditions, characterized by complex polyrhythms and percussive elements, have profoundly influenced hip hop's beat-making and rhythmic patterns. These influences are evident in the use of drum breaks and syncopated beats that define hip hop production techniques. Oral Tradition and Storytelling: Hip hop's lyrical tradition draws from African and Caribbean oral storytelling practices, where rhyming, wordplay, and narrative techniques have deep cultural roots. This aspect of hip hop reflects a broader continuum of African diasporic cultural expression. Sound System Culture: While DJ Kool Herc, a pivotal figure in hip hop's early days, was influenced by Black American DJs, the concept of sound system culture and its impact on DJ techniques originated in Jamaica. Sound system culture emphasized the importance of DJs in selecting and playing music for community gatherings, influencing how DJs like Herc approached their craft in New York City. Reggae and Dancehall Influence: Artists like DJ Kool Herc incorporated reggae and dancehall records into their DJ sets, contributing to the fusion of Caribbean musical styles with American funk, soul, and disco that characterized early hip hop music. Global Cultural Exchange: Hip hop's global spread has led to cross-cultural collaborations and exchanges that continue to shape the genre. Artists and producers from Africa, the Caribbean, and beyond have integrated their cultural perspectives and musical traditions into hip hop, enriching its creative diversity. Sources such as "Can't Stop Won't Stop: A History of the Hip-Hop Generation" by Jeff Chang, which discusses hip hop's multicultural roots and influences, and "Rap Music and Street Consciousness" by Cheryl L. Keyes, which explores the global impact of hip hop culture, provide insights into how diverse cultural elements have contributed to the evolution of hip hop as a global phenomenon. These perspectives underscore the dynamic and inclusive nature of hip hop culture, rooted in African American experiences while embracing influences from across the African diaspora and beyond.
_During the November 3, 2020 general elections, Puerto Rico held a statehood referendum asking one question._ *Should Puerto Rico be admitted immediately into the Union as a State?* _The results showed that 52 percent of Puerto Rico voters answered yes. Which means nearly 48% voted no._ _Therefore, would it not be prudent to have citizens, elected officials, & celebrities whose families were born & raised on the island - for centuries - to play a part in this discussion? Let's include the 52% & 48% into this matter._ _I mean, 3 American nationals _*_non-Puerto Rican nationals at that_*_ plotting the future of Puerto Rico without Puerto Ricans._
😂 Puerto Rico was never black! There's nothing to erase about it! The facts are the facts. We are and have always been Mestizos for the overwhelming part (Native/Spanish mix, about 85%) mostly in the mountains with some African remnants (15% or so) along the coast line. We don't have a problem with that. Why should anybody else even be talking about this? The main thing that Africans have contributed to Puerto Rican culture is paganism & voodoo. I don't see anybody in Puerto Rico trying to stop them from doing their rituals. Black Puerto Ricans are just "Puerto Rican" to us. It's Americans who bend over backwards to bring up these differences. Let Puerto Ricans just be Puerto Ricans. We don't need to be like America where everyone is judged by their race. The rest of our culture is overwhelmingly Spanish from our art to our education to our social practices to our language to our religion. Americans should learn from us how to "not" see color in each other.
You're 135% correct! That's folks with their "color" and "race" mentality that was FORCED on Blacks, and now, they're trying to force it on Puerto Ricanss. Unfortunately, some Puerto Ricans are buying into this mentality. Usually, they're the "Americanized" Puerto Ricans that latch onto this bullshit... It's more divide and conquer attacks. Why? Because they're going after the beautiful island of Puerto Rico... Divide Puerto Ricans into little groups (usually by color), then take one of those little groups under their wing, and finally turn that group against the other groups...
@@YankeeWoodcraft Some people want to make everything about race and politics to further their beliefs and agendas, That's what I see about this interview.
Stop lying to urselve, everyone wants to be white, all Hispanic community don't respect black people and are worse than white people. Just acknowledge that race is a factor in pourto rico and never lie again.
Rosa Clemente is not to well versed on the history of Puerto Rico..Much of her information is some truth mixed with a lot of misinformation. For example, she stated that the Black population in Puerto Rico at a certain time was 64%..That is incorrect...It would be more accurate to say it was 64% mixed if anything...The average Puerto Rican is 65-70% European (mainly Spanish), 10-15% Taino or Native American, and 15-20% Subsaharan African..If you want to get a sense of the reality of Puerto Rico, it would be wise to also include actual Puerto Ricans from the Island in the discussion. I'm not dismissing Rosa Clemente at all. I just don't think she's well versed on the history of the island. Check out this 3 part short series on the history of Puerto Rico..part 1 th-cam.com/video/0pVGKXJ4wd0/w-d-xo.html part 2 th-cam.com/video/8SNJsMBLbZY/w-d-xo.html part 3 th-cam.com/video/yh4DktYO480/w-d-xo.html
when I speak with lawyers about sovereignty they all say the same thing, unless you have an army a countries sovereignty is not recognized, especially by super powers. Even if the country is rich in resources like a Haiti, we still repeat the narrative that Haiti is a third world country when every super power is over there stealing their natural resources and richness. And if that doesnt work sabotours are sent in to say the country is out of control and a foreign country raises up leaders partial to their interest.
I am from Puerto Rico and it annoys me to see African Americans trying to stir racial animosity in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and other Latin American countries. In USA, if you have one drop of African, you're considered black. In Latin countries all ancestries within each individual are considered important. Language, culture and nationality are considered far more important than skin color in Spanish-speaking countries. I don't think that AA want to be like us and we don't want to be like them, let's leave it at that!!!
@@GregLucas-pv8nm People that inhabit the same countries/territories are going to be influenced by their neighbors, even if they prefer not to be influenced. Absolutely no ethnic group can avoid that reality. I guess we're ALL vultures!!
You're acting like racial animosity didn't exist on its own & is the fault of African/Black Americans. FOH with that anti Black BS when colorism & colonization was imposed on EVERYONE by the white colonizers.
Please 🙏🏿 don’t put that on the AA, what you are seeing is the result of white supremacy, let’s be clear!! The one ☝🏿 drop blood 🩸 rule is only to protect whiteness.. AA didn’t invent this rule they are the victims of it!! It’s was used to devalue are erase the original victims of enslavement!!
I think you should actually get to know Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who are of African descent. And yes I'm Dominican with clearly Black African features who is in community with Black Dominicans on the island. We DO see each other as Black and there is a 500 year history and documentation of said history, including museums. This is in community with and of course independent of whatever goes on in the USA with African American communities. It's somewhat different. But it's still Black.
Don't forget Al Sharpton, a United States-born African, served 90 days in prison for defending Puerto Ricans against the United States Federal Government. Long live the island of Vieques!
Independence for puerto rico the island of borinquen is yours too To fight for your land, have courage. It is time for Puerto Rico to have independence and dignity. but first a revolution must occur so that Puerto Ricans finally have freedom for their people. Puerto Rico is the only nation that never fought for its independence Respect yourselves so that others respect you.
I’m so excited to watch this. I don’t think American media covers the island and its issues. I was born on the island and I am always saddened by what I see it turning into.
When I go to Puerto Rico, all I see is a version of Hawaii. Real estate is so expensive, so the Puerto Ricans have to move to the mainland ‘cause they can afford to stay, and the tourism and hotel/casino, high end real estate residential homes and condominium high rises, all adding up to the further displacement t of Puerto Ricans. And don’t get me started the terrible public school system in Puerto Rico which is just awful.
Are you insane? The typical Puerto Rican high school graduate (which is well into the 80% range) are equivalent to a first year college student in America. That's why there are American scouts down there that get paid to bring back Puerto Rican graduates and set them up with careers here. As for the poverty level, that's what happens when the US takes more in taxes than they return to the island. All the American companies down there that pay taxes, that money goes to the mainland. It's a cash cow for the US, regardless of what they'd have you believe. If that money stayed in Puerto Rico, it'd be another Dubai.
Well, that's bscause we aren't black. My ancestry is 57% Indigenous and 43% European, which is half if not more of what Latinos are. They're are afro latinos sure, but the majority of Latino's are of European and Indigenous ancestry. So it's not a matter of not wanting to be black, we just aren't black, period.
If your Puerto Rican that’s extremely rare to have such high indigenous ancestry I mean extremely rare for anyone in the Caribbean. And mestizo don’t dominate all countries and definitely not the Caribbean or southern cone and some mestizo are really just displaced indigenous people especially in Peru Bolivia Guatemala and southern Mexico. The people of Latin America are not a monolith
@@rrjr1994 exactly that makes sense you guys lean to your indigenous ancestry phenotypically more than the Caribbean Latinos and it makes sense that Afro Latinos are more rare or invisible to you and I get it but my dad is half Panamanian and Cuban specifically Santiago de cuba and I have a very different perspective
Thank you for covering us. Yts are literally coming in droves and rents are skyrocketing astronomically. In 2019 i used to live in a cozy 1/1 apartment at 500, as soon as these yts started coming in droves shit went up 50% with a months notice in 2022.
Also, FBI has to investigate investing firms buying up single family homes with FHA loans. Specifically under the HUD system. ITS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL
@@marclamonthillofficialmejora la Raza is literally rampant in the Dominican republic, and one of Dr former president Rafael Trujillo, half Haitian, was one of mejora la Raza pusher
It is disheartening to see the lack of attention the US gives to Puerto Rico. Some individuals, including politicians, have expressed a preference for being part of Spain rather than the US, citing historical reasons. This sentiment was even brought up at the UN. and even the US should've understand that puerto ricans didn't wanted to give up their spanish Language and culture, ut the US tried so hard, but puerto rican were patriotic, now I understand those patriotic puerto ricans saw hard future being part of the US as a Unincorporated and organized U.S. territory but til the day in puerto rico the flag of the spanish empire can be found .
@amgooder great 👍 👌 👏 😇🙏 Because no foreigners can dictate our own nation. 🤭😂 ask all your people that can't stop coming over For vacation instead of there own country...
Caucasian people often question black Puerto Ricans on whether they are from the island .... 🤦🏿♂️ Do you ask the other Puerto Ricans the same question? ..... 🤷🏿♂️
Marc, I live in San Juan PR been there for past 6 yrs. I remember you from our days playing pickup basketball at Temple U on Broad st back in Philly. I can tell you from my experience that the PR locals, for the most part choose based on what best benefits them at the moment. But, they definitely don’t choose “white” or Gringo as they call them. PR’s have not picked sides with the whites and actually use and abuse the whites on the island for money, food and resources. Puerto Ricans are proud to be Puerto Ricans. The island is a Caribbean paradise, the economy is growing and opportunity is better than ever.
@@yusefnegao did you even read my comment??? Because I don’t understand what you’re saying or why you’re saying it directly to me. There is technically no such thing as a black or white Puerto Rican. Either you’re born on the island as a Puerto Rican or not. The black or white racism is definitely not what proud Puerto Ricans desire. Not proud Puerto Ricans…. The word Gringo itself is used when talking about foreigners and people not born on the island who can’t speak Spanish well. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
@@yusefnegao do you understand there is NO official classification or designation of “White Puerto Rican”. You do know that right??? That’s called racism….. you don’t get that??? Maybe that’s the first problem, you don’t know what racism actually is….
Blacks been there and done that. They know a lot of people hold racial ws colorist hierarchy bigoted hypocrisy mindset. They see people go about their own business and what’s good for them. So doing the same. There’s a deep fear where they might be placed in society if black aren’t at the bottom, that could mean they might be. Why everyone lose their minds when blacks go about their business a d do anything good for them selves. It’s that same mindset with black Wall Street. Resentment existd in otherd. Not just ws. look up lee atwater southern strategy. It’s a tactic to play on resentment by politicians. That resentment tactic that’s done at white people by politicians. White people do that to other immigrants against Black people. Blacks been there done that know this. If asked, it would be denied. But they know it’s true. Look at the TH-cam comments and videos that Black people call others out on, and many people within their society are black and mixed confirm accusations to be true . That’s the same way whites where when they were liberating themselves. It’s better to have these people at the bottom, so we don’t have to worry about being there ever again. When blacks try to work with others, you have bigots, racist, and colorist, who see equality asinequality get mad. Especially when ws start whispering in their ears that you would be bringing yourself down. Pro monarch were doing this with whites with the idea of democracy and freedom . You would be bringing yourselves down with others who are beneath you. Where people didn’t want oppression, but they didn’t completely want to be pro freedom either. Where whites have their own subgroups as well by the way. Irish Italian in Spanish heavy history of being locked down on. Their scene as a subculture within amongst northern Europeans. Look for approval as well towards trying to overcompensate by being anti-black. It’s a whole down racism that Romney mentioned. Never at one point did it struggle that blacks overcame, others didn’t benefit from it.
We do not see race, the same as African-Americans and there is the distinction. We see things through the lens of nationality and the preservation of a unique racial make up and history.
If I was to go and spend time in Africa I would not understand anyone. The culture is too different. Furthermore , the Africans would not understand anything about my culture. However, if i go to a Spanish speaking country or Spain I feel like I am at home. I have zero connection to Africa. other than watching people dance Bomba or salsa. My culture is based on "La Hispanidad". The Taínos are extinct, I know even less about them. The mother country is clearly Spain. In 1897 we were a Spanish province with the same rights as people in the Spanish mainland. Then America invaded. We are Spanish to the core. IN fact the Spanish DNA is the highest one on the island.
You should be asking Spain your so call mother country to come to your assistance whenever you have natural disasters instead of depending on the USA 🇺🇸
Here in Puerto Rico we know that we are descendants of a group of ethnic groups, including black Africans, and a large group of us have no problems with that. Regarding the political status, more than 55% of Puerto Ricans do not want Independence, we do not want to live the misery that the majority of Latin American republics experience. We want Statehood, an issue that has been evidenced in the last 2 plebiscites held by the government of Puerto Rico. These are facts!
The reason the independence movement in Puerto Rico is small is due to the brutal oppression of the people wanting independence. The US has massacred and tortured people involved in the independence movement. The independence movement was huge in Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
@@BTman58: Let me enlighten you P.R. had freedom fighters for independence ( Macheteros ) and the U.S. Military BOMBED P.R. Yes bombed there own territory‼️💯 Google it google Loiza Lebron freedom fighter she shot up the White House Congress and yelled FREE P.R.‼️💯 Can’t do that now…..
@@BTman58: Different time now can’t be radical‼️💯 Maybe one day P.R. will be Free‼️💯 Just like we thought we would never see a Black president but it happened‼️💯
This people have no damn clue of PRs history, PR was NEVER a colony of Spain a a matter of fact PR was Spain 1st province and Spain never had colonies but VIREINATOS these people are only regurgitating the black legend
This is the wrong approach, Puerto Rico isn't about color, is about actually living in the island, and being born there. We are Puerto Ricans, Not black or white. We come in all shape and colors. So stop bringing colors in this please.
I'm from Puerto Rico, and from all the places in the world, Puerto Rico is one of the places where you would find the least amount of racism. I grew up and lived in PR for 30 years, and I never witnessed a racial incident and there is no systemic racism either. I was a police officer for 4 years, and we never targeted people for the color of their skin. PR is very mixed. I am white skin and I have cousins who are black skin. PR doesn't have red lined communities by race. PR have public housing (caserios), but they are not race based, it's low income. The only place I can say is predominantly black is Loiza, and they are not discriminated against. Black people just stayed in Loiza and it's been historical black. Please, don't try to bring racial issues to PR because of all the issues in PR, race discrimination is not one of them. PR is not like the US. I don't appreciate boricuas from the US trying to speak up on things that aren't issues in PR when the island has a lot of real problems like corrupt politicians, crumbling infrastructure, failing education system, failing power grid and the list goes on and on.
@@anactaneustheeleventh2542 I know. I don't have anything against puertoricans living in the US, but these ladies clearly don't live in PR and are trying to speak for the puertoricans who actually live in the island. These ladies can barely speak spanish and just because they read a couple of books about the History of PR, this doesn't make them experts on how it is to live in PR. There are people in PR who can speak about the real issues in the island.
Bullsh*t! I am black American and lived and worked in PR for 6 years total. I have never been treated so poorly anywhere else in the world. From being ignored at restaurants, to being resented at work for being the senior manager in charge. I was sent there to clean up a poorly functioning branch, and I did fix it after identifying the troublemakers trying to undermine everything since they hated my being there. There were some great people there too, but the rotten eggs ruined that island and blacks catch more hell there than a little bit.
@@jonwasowski I agree!!! I’ve been saying that for quite sometime now, there’s a difference between Puerto Ricans and Ricans born in the US, I was born and raised in PR, and for the most part I never saw overt racist behavior from anybody. There were some minor incidents, but not because of race, did I saw some minor things regarding to race, I did, but they were very very minor, and real Puerto Rican will attest to this fact, those who were born and raised in PR will agree with me. This recent developments and treatments regarding race are new and only in these past years we have inherited these racial problems from mainlanders living in PR, but the PR I was born in was not racist, it was not.
Puerto Rico should fight for Statehood and then demand all the Rights there of. You fight for a country that doesn't fully support you.✊🏿 I feel your pain. and love you all. I plan to make my first visit their soon. So sorry you were mistreated and abused earlier. We are all family. We gotta realize that
We may not know the history, but in Chicago, Puerto Ricans and Black folks are family. It is joked that the Puerto Ricans are Black folks who speak Spanish
Here is a little nugget about Puerto Rico, they have never ever had a black governor and very few mayor's are black. So PR also has racists tendencies towards blacks even though ALL of us have African ancestry in our blood. And should be embraced just as Bomba and plena is.
@@harvey607 That is not what I said. I actually pointed out that we ALL have African ancestry. I said they don't elect BLACK skinned people into office. If I need to be more specif than that ,I can't help you in explaining or understanding what I am stating as a fact!
To solve the problems of the Island is to keep the consciousness of the masses alive and the people would eventually unite under one fundamental cause and reason in the reality of their struggle. Difficult but possible for the people by the people. When two cultures clash there are friction but afterwards a new horizon. Peace
This is for those that may not know. If you know...than this comment is not for you. Not all Puerto Ricans have black ancestry, my wife being one of them. Why claim something that you're not. IJS
I'm happy I'm not like y'all. Shout out to the FBA's who can speak a little Spanish, know how delicious Puerto Rican food is, and try to dance salsa! We got love for y'all! All the others can keep their arrogant selves over THERE! We don't claim you.
Very interesting show and conversation, thank you! Let's also keep in mind there is a movement to bring Puerto Rico back with Spain, as a Spanish Autonomous Community (like the Canary Islands). Puerto Rico never renounced or betrayed Spain. American subjugation was imposed upon us by military invasion. Also, Spain never voluntarily took away the Spanish citizenship of Puerto Ricans. San Juan, our capital was always"The most noble, most loyal and always faithful" (to Spain).
Thats not possible. The US wouldn’t allow that. Im my opinion. They should become a state but they should create a state Constitution that protects the people of PR and their struggles.
26:10 they are NOT confused. They are choosing "WHITE" as their race and "Latin" as their ethnicity. They don't chose "Black" and "Latin". That's the choice they are making.
I choose Black and Cuban all the time. My family has been proudly Afro(Mali Empire) Cubans for generations. Even without DNA tests we knew who we were. No one in my family has ever claimed to be anything but Black.
In my experience most Puerto Ricans would not consider themselves either black or white. Many identify more with black people than with white people, but most just want to be considered Puerto Rican, without being forced to choose.
@ReignMaker26 Puerto Rican is a nationality, not a race. Nationality denotes your country of origin.
@@Fahima90 that's correct, but it doesn't change what I'm saying. Puerto Ricans by and large, just like blacks from most other countries (DR, Colombia, Jamaica, etc) want to be identified by their country, not their race. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying they view it differently than American black people do.
Exactly...
I watched your program and I think what's happening with many views is that there is a pan africanism movement presuming to believe that most Puerto Ricans are black and they're not. I find that woke American blacks are trying to impose their culture and the race definition onto our island and that is highly inaccurate. We dont need external views racializing our society. We don't have the same racial problems that exist in the USA. Puerto Rican people was at home regardless of white, mixed, mestizo, Taino and African influences are united
@gym196444 That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard! You are sooo out of touch!
I'm german and Puerto rican and when I was a little kid in the 1970s if you had one drop of non-white blood, not black Just non white blood Then you were considered to be black.
If you seen me,
With really light skin.
But when I was a kid my mom and dad couldn't get married because it's illegal in the United States According to the federal government.
AND most white people In the southern states still feel that way.
The only reason Why some of them deal with it? It's because they're outnumbered by black and brown people In the world.
But the people in the South.They don't want nobody that aint white if you went into a KKk meeting even if you look like you had real light skin as soon as they hear An accent or you speaking spanish Or If you have skin That's not pale white.
They're not gonna accept you no matter what. And I live in the north Minnesota where they accept most people.
But.they'll still talk behind your back!
@@09robinhood better question is, why are you going into a KKK meeting knowing good and well. If you are not lily white, you're not accepted. Plus, what does that say about that person coming from a diverse background. Going to a clan meeting looking to be accepted by hateful racist people.
No one pressumes "most Puerto Rican people are Black", absolutely no one. Secondly, you are highly delusional if you think that everybody on the Island of PR, are looked at and treated the same. Nor do they feel the same about the culture and heritage of the mixture of people on the island. A lot of PR's claim their Blackness, no matter the lightness or darkness of their skin tones. And yes, y'all have and still have remnants of that old Slave history on your Island. You have colorism, racism, and classism. So please stop trying to act as if the plight of colonization did not and does not affect how people are seen and represented in PR. Nextly, you might want to do some research on what the true authentic meaning behind "woke" is. Because what you're trying to pawn it off as, is straight Trumpism. The delusions of harmony and being united as one. While still maintaining a level of separation from the "other" in your country. I don't understand is, that everybody has a problem with being associated with Blackness, but no problem with consuming everything coming from Black culture. What really boggles my mind is that y'all have no problem whatsoever. Clinging on to this idea of whiteness and wanting to be as closely associated with whiteness as possible. Associating and accepting an identity of your Colonizers. You're okay with being a part of a people who were, kidnappers, r@pist, enslavers, murderers and thieves. But not with the people who were oppressed and overcame all of this adversity. Hmm, says a whole lot about who you are and the values you hold dear.
Puerto Rico is a part of Spain occupied by the US since 1898.
The 2010 and 2020 Census form allowed Puerto Ricans to identify anyway they want. Puerto Rican is given as an option for Hispanic. The forms then asks for your race. You can write in your race if you don't like the options they give. In 2010, 75% of Puerto Ricans identified as white. In 2020 the number dropped to 17%. So lets not rewrite history and act like Puerto Ricans weren't mostly identifying as white as recently as 2010.
NOT allowed, were forced to. I had an augment in front of my house with a Caucasian census worker because I refused to identify as white on form. She stated that that was the ONLY OPTION. I refused adamantly. I told her to look at me do I look white to her. She told me that she would have to declare me as refusing to comply. I told her write whatever you want just don’t write white.
It comes down to re- education after centuries of being mis- educated. It may have taken a while but I'm happy to see that many of my Afro- Latino brethren have started declining the colonialist tea.
@@el-Cu9432 you mean brainwashing
@@el-Cu9432 Yeah, but they were not in the 1970s when Black Americans created Hip Hop.
Im Latino and anytime in school that any documentation regarding race, I was forced to put white, I remember being confused and asking my teacher why and she said it was the proper classification for Latinos in the US Cencus, I felt very uncomfortable and didn’t want to cause any problems but after a while I just put other because it’s weird, even when I got a ticket couple years back the police officer wrote White Male on the paperwork, The problem is Latinos don’t fit the out dated black or white narrative in America, we are a mixed people with Indigenous, African and European blood. We are mixed, back in the day mixed wasn’t an option on the census but I think now they have added more options.
Some Puerto Ricans,Dominicanos,Cubans don't know the difference between nationality and race.I've experienced racism in these households until they found out that I was of Panamainian descent and then I was received with open arms and these people were darker than I was
Cubans in Cuba actually respect and revere their African roots. Even the white Cubans. Not so much the ones in exile in FL.
@sandywaters1153 Dr. Marta Moreno Vega's documentary, When the Spirits Dance Mombo, also conveys this reality. ☮️
In the U.S., Caribbeans have similar experiences. They may be perceived as “black” until their accent and name gives them away. And then they get asked questions such as “is you black?” To which the person will likely reply (proudly) with their nationality. From that point they are no longer perceived as “black” unless they start to become a threat by being more successful and dispelling certain stereotypes. When this starts happening, they become just another “black” person who happens to speak Spanish per se. And like crabs in a bucket the term “black” is used to once again forgo nationality and distinct cultures to try to bring a person or group-mentally and physically-to the bottom.
@@user-np1mt5pq4u 😏
Yes. Nobody wants to claim Blackness even as they walk around darker than the darkest Black person.
Black folks must realize as Dr. John Henrik Clark said, "we have no friends." I have absolutely nothing against Puerto Ricans or any Latino groups for that matter, but they've all decided to make that distinction that they weren't Black. Nowadays, they are gloming onto hip hop for its cultural and financial significance, but we all know the truth. I wish them all the best, but as a member of the global family of African descendants, we should only be concerned with our own issues. Time has proven time and again that there is no real Black and Brown coalition. Call it what it is and move on.
Brother, I know how easy it is to feel pessimistic, but freedom and liberation are intersectional and indivisible so Black struggles are intrinsically linked to popular struggles all over the world. Black people actually do have many friends. The Palestinian People are one good example. Also, I personally know many Hispanic people who are allies and friends of Black people and their struggles for justice, as well as people from all different walks of life. Sadly, they get drowned out by the voices of white supremacy both within and outside the POC communities.
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Here in PR we are just boricua, not white or black, we don't believe in segregation. Only boricuas, white or black is not acceptable, only boricuas.
@@rashidal-banna6082 Well, then that's your perspective on that matter.
millions of Puerto Ricans ARE black folks. Jamaicans, African Americans & Boricuas created hip hop.
It's interesting to watch how direct and unambiguous these ladies were right up til Lamont started asking about the concept of "Blackness" in Puerto Rican society - lol. Everyone dances around it, but admitting how despised the you-know-what community is worldwide is still taboo. Latin Americans, regardless of where they come from, don't want to be affiliated with our community any more than anyone else does. There are outliers, for sure, but the behavior of the majority is as clear as day. lol
Do you know the majority of us in order to make such a generalized accusation?
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@@el-Cu9432 No, but we've heard many people from New York admitting the r*c*sm of Latinos during the formulation of hip hop in the Bronx and elsewhere. And those were FBA and Puerto Ricans admitting that. Also, even apart from hip hop, there are Latinos all over the Internet admitting Anti-B r*c*sm in their communities. I think we're done needing any more evidence at this time.
@@el-Cu9432, lol-I know what your societies look like. I know how colorism plays a role in your politics, education (higher and lower), corporate makeup, etc. It's not difficult to see... at all.
@christintinet6336
I totally agree 💯 ‼️
The Brown people are strong in their fight to not be aligned or even fully accept Black people. Yes they're a few who are Allies, but the large majority are moreso in step with white people
Rosa!!! Your voice is needed. Been watching and supporting your work in nyc for years
She is fire and much appreciated.
She lies a lot and we here don't think as she, she is blatantly lying and we will not be free as she says, unless the usa wants to get rid of us, otherwise not.
Nuyoricans have no clue about what is like to be a Puertorican from the island.
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Puerto Rico didn’t get “white washed”. The Original people where Tainos when Spaniards (white Europeans) arrived to the Island in 1492. Tainos weren’t white or black they were Arawakan Indians from South America. Black Africans got introduced to the Island as slaves in 1513. Since then we been mixing. Yes, there is black Puerto Ricans and also white Puerto Ricans but we all share European, African and Taino DNA. We don’t put our skin color first like in USA. It doesn’t matter the color of our skin, we are Puerto Rican. The darkest Puerto Rican and the whitest share the same culture. It’s not like the USA were black people and whites have different cultures instead of calling themselves Americans first. USA didn’t white washed Puerto Rico they arrived in 1898 and we were mixing between whites, black and Tainos since hundreds of years before that. We don’t deny our Taino and black African ancestry. But that doesn’t mean we’re not proud of our white ancestors. Without those three our Puerto Rican culture would not exist.
Asking a Puerto Rican to embrace 1 race is asking him to deny the other races that make him Puerto Rican. There is white people, blonde, blues eyes in my family and also black. When a Puerto Rican or Dominican say they’re not black it means we dont identify with African American Culture and most of us are too mixed to embrace 1 race.
I tracked my family(father side) to Spain, and Portugal to the 8 century. A lot of my ancestors where Spaniards soldiers (white Conquistadors) and my first ancestor arrived with Juan Ponce de Leon and was in the foundation of Caparra (Puerto Rico first Spaniard capital) in the 1500’s. My Great Grandpa was a Black Puerto Rican and I loved him and both of my parents are white and Im mixed with with most European features than African.
The first time I learned about racism and skin color division was when I arrived to USA when I was 8 years old.
My DNA test results:
Portugal: 19%
Benin & Togo: 18%
Spain: 14%
Senegal: 11%
cameroon congo & western bantu peoples: 8%
Taino: 6%
Nigeria: 4%
France: 4%
Marfil Coast and Ghana: 3%
Northern Africa: 3%
Basque Country: 2%
Scotland: 2%
Ireland: 2%
Egyptian: 1%
Yucatán peninsula native: 1%
South American native: 1%
Edit: United States needs to Solve their race problems instead of taking that to others countries were it has never been an issue. I’m proud of all my European, Taino and African ancestry)
Excellent comment!
Don't delineate your culture just acknowledge your blackness. In the US we know you're not a black American culturally we know your lineage is different. But if you look like me and say your not black and I'm categorized as black in this country most people take that as rejecting your blackness. It's really not as complicated as you think. I'm 36% European and 64% African but culturally I'm American and Racially in the US I'm black.
Looking at DNA results your mostly black and white mixed. That 6% Tino might come from one parent about 6 generations ago
@@mikeman2137blackness is a USA concept. He is mostly European and African ancestry. He identify as Latino. Just respect it
As sad as this dialogue is. We are STILL HERE. WE LIKE THE INDIGENOUS COPPER COLOURED MELINATED SWARTHY AMERICAN INDIANS OF TURTLE 🐢 ISLAND 🏝️, HAVE BEEN MIS CLASSIFIED AND RENAMED. THROUGH PAPER ILLUMINATION. NOT KNOWING WE ARE ALL ONE FAMILY! AND WE ARE ALL ONE FAMILY!
Puerto Rico does not mean Port of Riches that would be Puerto De Riqueza in spanish, what Puerto Rico actually means in english is Rich Port !!!
I thought so and im black American. I was like there is no "De" in Puerto Rico
Correcto!
WHO CARES
@@JOSECARABALLO-e1n Go away, troll. You are not wanted or needed, much less welcome.
@@JOSECARABALLO-e1n If you don’t care why are you here?
Singapore is a small country, smaller than Puerto Rico, and they are free. Of course, Puerto Rico can be free. The health care system in Puerto Rico was free until they had to privatized it at the behest of the United States so that private insurance companies could come in and now is a disaster. In the constitution of Puerto Rico, there was a section guaranteeing accessible health care to everyone, and the US forced Puerto Rico to erase it. Colonies exist to make their colonizers rich, not the other way around.
And who was going to pay for this free health care ?
@@Rayjack-m9o There is no such thing as free. You simply remove the middle man, like here in Spain, which is what the Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño proposes, and the money from the coffers goes directly to the doctors and the patients. By the way, that is not mutually exclusive to having a private medical insurance. We have both here and it is feasible because when private insurance has to compete with the state, prices drop a lot, and people end up choosing either based on immediate or long term needs. I pay with public medical insurance through my taxes and my employer pays me my private medical insurance. Easy peexy lemon squeezy.
One difference is that Singapore is not in the UK’s backyard.
PR can't be free with the corruption that white Puerto Ricans in the govt perpetuate. I say it like that because they make it clear that politics in Puerto Rico has a color and its white.
No one else can claim the start of Hip Hop except BLACK AMERICANS......PERIOD
They really got the nerve. and I'm not even AA
You’re wrong.
@josephLindor-ki7op Well, l am African Americans, born, raised, and came of age in Harlem during that period. There were African Americans, Caribbeans, and Puerto Ricans who created Hip Hop. No one who wasn't even born yet, from another place and time is going to tell me what I lived.
@Fahima90
Well, those who were actually there and part of the creation say differently.
💯🤡 Next you’ll say that there was no P.R. Black Panthers…….
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So much disinformation in this video. To say that until 1993, Puerto Ricans wouldn’t know about Africans being enslaved is absolutely FALSE. I was born and raised in the island, graduated high school in PR, we absolutely learned that once the taínos were mostly exterminated the Spanish HAD to import African slaves for their labor.
This is the problem. These people may have fancy titles or degrees but they’re absolutely uninformed. So many inaccuracies. You need to fact check these people.
Wow! That we don’t know we are part African???? My goodness! I can guarantee there is no PuertoRican born and raised on the island that doesn’t know that. That is taught EVERYWHERE all the way from elementary school to high school in every single school, public or private.
@MartinJr2324 The other lady did alright but Rosa Clemente seem misinformed
the Spanish did not "exterminate" the indigenous, that is part of the anti spanish black legend pushed by anglo countries. Many of the indigenous died because they did not have immunity to common diseases found in Europe.
@@MartinJr2324 It's so ignorant when strangers think they know more about a people and a place than the people of that place themselves.
@@cdiz765 In addition to the mass killings and the abuse they were put through using them as labor slaves under inhumane conditions.
Cuba was a colony however, Puerto Rico became a province of Spain in 1897. It had its own currency and had representation in the Spanish Government. It is interesting how, these so called “imaginary historians” create a narratives to please the ignorant masses. And as they speak, they confuse the public by leaving out chronological events, thus contributing to more confusion and negative opinions.
Spain always treated Cuba better than PR.
@@kamargee9680Cuba was more economically viable because of slavery and sugar
@@kamargee9680 cuando "lo trato mejor" a ver dime 😅😂
@@kamargee9680 Prove it. PR was the most loyal oversea province to Spain; almost 400 years. When the British had Florida (for 20 years - 1760's-1780's), it offered Florida in exchange for Puerto Rico, and Spain refused. There was a revolution in Cuba, not Puerto Rico. And it was the Spanish settlers in Puerto Rico, with Ponce de Leon, that tried to settle Florida in 1521(today, Continental U.S.), but were unsuccessful after a few months. These Puerto Rican settlers were recruited in Havana (1521-1522, after the death of Ponce) and sent to help Cortes invade Mexico and establish first settlement there.
Pierto Rico was a province of Spain since 1809, a Puerto Rican congressman signed the Spanish constitution in 1812 and became the first Vice President of the Spanish Congress, his name Ramon Power y Giralt. Puerto Rico also became Spain's first Autonomy in 1897. By 1898 Puerto Rico had 15 congressmen and 2 senators representing all the regions of Puerto Rico in the Spanish Congress.
Who cares? So Puerto Ricans are mixed. That doesn’t make them “black.” That makes them Puerto Ricans who have some African ancestry. So does everyone!
As a Haitian, I agree but sometimes the "mixed" identity is used as a soft denial of blackness. I'm fully aware of anti-blackness sentiment through Latin America.
If people don't want to identify as black, leave them alone. I LOVE BEING BLACK....
@@restlesman It is perfectly normal to feel better around people with the same ethnic, national, social and educational background as us. That's being human, and totally unrelated to racism.
@@restlesman But Boricuas aren't denying our African lineage. On the contrary, we celebrate it and still practice our Bomba dance and other traditions.
So what denial??? We just don't live by American constructs of what color is or is not.
@@TainaPR2024 I agree...Americans have this default approach to race and ethnicity that they think the whole world should go by.
Rosa mi hermana -- we worked together at WBAI in NYC and were in South Africa for WCAR.
So true I listened to her a lot at WBAI.. still my favorite station for good information in NYC
@rafaelw8115 Yeah! The Hip Hop Caucus that Ross is very much a part of is one of the many things that came out of the UN WCAR in Durban, South Africa.
@rogerbrooks8266 We both had the opportunity to do work with Sallie O'Brian of Cuba in Focus; co-hosted Under the Learning Tree with the late Kamou Kalfoni, in addition to being a line producer for Wake Up Call, the morning show co-hosted by Bernard White and Amy Goodman.
@@Fahima90 you really bring back memories by digging down in the crates as they say. . I remember Wake Up Call , which was my listening show in the morning going to work , and of course Sally O’Brien and Bernard White, they are pillars of WBAI radio. I remember when I used to listen to Bernard’s show “ Emanations” , which aired on Sunday and Ms O’Brien, I’m seeing her face now, I believe her show Cuba In Focus was on a Thursday, it’s been so long I can’t remember . I don’t hear her anymore. Is she still around. As you know Amy is doing “ Democracy Now”. I’m not Familiar with the Learning Tree,I guess I missed that one. My condolences to Mr. Kalfoni. I did some volunteer work during fund raisers with my son years ago .We must of past each other…….pGreat minds think alike…… what’s going on in SA. One of my laces to visit.
I’m 100% Boricua. I respect the independentistas and value their ideals. In addition to Dr. Albizua Campos I’ll include cancel Rios and Maribras. My DNA is largely Portugual, Spain and Taino. I have some west African. I’ve traveled in Latin America and noticed that Caribbean blacks have greater visibility. 👍
Dr. Marta Merano Vega also founded the Caribbean Cultural Center that did so much to show the continuity of African Culture.
I have nothing against Puerto Ricans personally at all, as most of them have treated me with kindness and respect. I can’t say that for the other Latino like Salvadoran and Mexicans(largely Mestizos) who have shown me as a black American (in my experience) to be extremely racist . People can identify as whatever they want, but they need to make a decision and stick with it. Don’t straddle the fence and decide to be black when it benefits you, then go back to another side when it’s convenient. Stand ten toes down with whatever/whoever you are and own it. That’s all I’m saying.
Agreed! They have a lot of racism towards blacks. Compete with blacks for jobs and check white on applications. I personally believe the heart of the Latino community and culture are the black Latinos. All the dancing and foods is high jacked by paler skinned Latinos.
@@DarrenMoore-le6pg 😲
It’s very hard to decide who you are when you are a mix of many! I’m like 60% European, 21% black and 19% indigenous (like many other Puerto Ricans) but I look indigenous with white skin. So, you tell me, racially speaking, what am I?
@@TheSimmpleTruth Europeans are a minority in the Latino population. Please!!! Latino culture is black!!!
@@Mimi-ht6xr It’s all the same. That food is similar to Jamaican cuisine. Upper class black Americans don’t speak Ebonics. lol There are black attorneys, nurses, doctors, politicians, professors, judges, theologians, police officers, etc. Get over yourself!
Puerto Rico is very colorist.
YEP! I LOVE Puerto Ricans of any color!
A very rich colony .120 Billions GNP
Maybe you're, but I don't see it. Puerto Rico is not a racist island. You're letting outsiders to stir racial animosity against other Boricuas.
So is black people in America are very colorist
@@maranon100 There are so many Latino groups all over the internet, including Puerto Ricans, admitting Anti-B r*c*sm, aka colorism, exists. These are just every day people. Google r*c*sm in PR and see the results pop up like popcorn. This post is not leading anyone to that conclusion. The practices in PR are.
So happy to see and hear this program on my beloved island Puerto Rico. Thank you for having these two wonderful women to speak on the various issues that inhabit the island. My hero was Albizu Campos. Adios
This interview is your shining moment, Marc!❤
Marc s content is always a SHINNING MOMENT.
Marc USUAL, in society. ALWAYS EDUCATING.
Thanks for prioritizing our presence, contributions and history. I always learn a great deal here. 💪🏾
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Thank you for this. Very informative
Glad it was helpful! Spread the word!!
Amazing episode, my GOAT! 🐐
What is "blackness" and who gets to define it? This conversation is all wrong. Marc you are looking at "blackness" from the lens of an American. People from islands like Puerto Rico have their own view on what is "blackness" and how they self-identify that is not dependent on the mainland experience of black Americans. Puerto Ricans may not identify as black because that's a purely mainland identification, not because they are ashamed of their African roots. Puerto Ricans are still very closely related to their African ancestry. I would say closer than black people in the mainland, not of any fault of their own but because their African identify was stripped away. But this brings us back to my question. What is "blackness" and who gets to define it? If it's the American experience and identity then that's not universal. Dominicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Haitians, Jamaicans, etc..., may have a different understanding of "blackness" and you can't dismisses it because it's not the American version.
Blackness and African are not the same thing, i agree with you the the American construct of black as a catch all for nonwhite is the problem!!! We have to be careful of blurring of terms like race and ethnicity. These are games of white supremacy. As an African that is not multiracial, I support mixed or multi racial peoples right to self identity. It is profoundly important to respect that, we however have to careful not to let white supremacy put its foot on the scale.
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@@KwameInnisPR's understand the lens of black and white. Thats why they PR's who look like these woman mark white down for race. When they get to America they seem to understand white and blackness just fine. I found that out along time ago. They say one thing and when you check the paperwork. It's says White for race. As for Africans and Blackness. The only group who understands Blkness are SAcan's.
Thank you!!!
Maybe some of those same Black Americans have much more of a say so than many have even considered. It's not always cut and dry, but regional inter-Americas slavery records were not always kept, and these DNA results are often times revealing things that superficiality angles with no further deeper study fail to uncover: Chromosomes do not recognize ethnicity and nationality, but the clustering of triangulated polynucleotides and relational sequences it does, and both groups of people can share that truth in regards to relativity.
The infatuation OUTSIDERS have with our people, is CRAZY!!!!
We are Gods chosen in the bible. Why do you think they're obsessed? They saw hebrew/canaan writings on the Island that tell us who they are. IT'S THAT YOU DON'T KKNOW WHO YOU ARE. Our people worship a bottle of Rum more than GOD !!!!! READ THE BIBLE AND SEE WHO THE GODS CHOSEN ARE.
@@opparino4708 WTF that gotta do with my people????
@@opparino4708 WTF???????
@@opparino4708 Loca crazy
I don't understand the obsession with Puerto Ricans either. Let us be n do you
First of all, no disrespect to ms. Clemente but nobody on the island uses the term "afro-latino", afro-boricua maybe, but that's about it, and for those that swear that we are sooo racist and soo "anti-black", understand that in PR we have been preserving our African heritage longer than the United States has even existed, oh and not to mention that Juneteenth is recognized in Puerto Rico, yep, look it up, there's no "erasing" of blackness, there's a threat of erasing our identity as puertoricans with gentrification, we're dealing with the U.S. Karens telling beach goers to "get off their property!" because they think they own the shoreline in front of their houses which by law that's not true at all, that's a problem, it's not about race.
Hello Ramon, pls have someone help you with your English grammar. Your message comes from the heart and I am in agreement. However, your important message loses its ''punch'' because of run on sentence problems, etc, etc. You are basically well expressed . But we all need to improve our communications' skills. Good luck, sir.
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that US holiday has nothing to do with our Puerto Rican history. It is imposed by the US gov.
Clemente opened the door for Dominicans in baseball. While Blacks opened the door for him. We pay homeage to these ancestors.
Btw, there were many Afro Latinos in the Negro Leagues. Moreover, Reggie "Martinez" Jackson is actually Puerto Rican.
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How is he Puerto Rican if he was born in PA to a half Puerto Rican father and from what I will strongly assume a black mother?
@@Fahima90 who's talking about Martinez?
@@BTman58: Don’t sound dumb‼️💯 You could be born on the moon‼️💯 And if one of your parents is P.R. you P.R.‼️💯
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@bkallday2998
You tried to pull a fast one. Reggie Jackson's father (Martinez Jackson) being half PR doesn't make Reggie Jackson PR. His mother is African American btw.
Hey Marc, it’s important to stop using the term “mainland Americans” in the context of Puerto Rico (Boriquén). The reasons are twofold, first because we are not “Americans” in the US sense, and second because the US is NOT our mainland. Our islands are our mainland, and we are our own mainlanders. US Americans have no relation to us nor our islands. They are colonizers here, plain and simple.
Dude, if you are afforded all the protections of the United States, you are Americans.
You also say that about all the Puerto Ricans that have moved to New York and prospered.
Y’all thing is lighting the race all ya grandparents wanted to be excepted by colonizers. I grew up with cousins who half Puerto Rican an it was evident they grandma didn’t like black kids. I’ve never been around a black elder who gave off that type of energy. Nobody cares about what’s going on in Puerto Rico but Ricans who live there. An Puerto Ricans even lying about hip hop 😂 when came late an contributed nothing, everything about rap is black American roots an dna. Only thing y’all contributed is y’all mommas an aunties to dope boy’s 😂
He says it because Puerto Ricans are US citizens
Then turn in your passport and stop accepting aid from the USA. That we aren't Americans but we want to have passports and beg Americans for aid is CRAZY! PR most entitled and confused people on the planet
Puerto Rico should get its independence and join BRICS +. This way, we preserve our Hispanic Culture, ethnicity and language. We are not Anglo Americans and many do not want to be. Many are wanting to return to the Spanish Province it use to be (now, Spain & EU). At least we can preserve our culture and language with them.
Do you live on the island? Do you realize how corrupt the govt is? It's horrific. The island being on its own with these buzzards in govt in control with utterly destroy the island
Everyone should be free
I’m Puerto Rican. The US needs to grant the island its independence.
Are you on the mainland or on the island
Sister Rosa is on point with this one!☝🏾 💯
YES
She doesn't speak for our community
this conversation would be very different if you have it with Black feminist collectives based in the archipelago. Puerto Rican experiences are extremely different in you're Black, non-Black, PR born, US born, Spanish speaking, English speaking, bilingual, poor, wealthy, etc. I was a bit shocked by the statement about identifying more with the US than with the rest of latin america, something many Puerto Ricans would deny, because many consider themselves more Latin-American than in any relationship with the US. for many Puerto Ricans the US is just a foreign oppressor. Puerto Rico is at the same time part of the Caribbean, part of Latin America, an occupied colony of the US, a former Spanish colony. Many Puerto Ricans are part of the African diaspora, many identify as indigenous. Some identify as afro-indigenous, others as white (and benefit as such). Blackness is definitely an issue in Puerto Rico, that while "celebrated" in the forms of customs, music, and food remains a marginalizing factor when it comes to politics and economy. Loiza (Aldea) was abandoned by central government for decades. The poor urban areas of the capital, where I grew up and my grandparents come from, are super racialized. It takes just a little effort to watch how white supremacy is rampant on local TV. Go to any high class private school and you will notice the lack of Black people. Racism towards our Black Caribbean siblings is part of the local imaginary, by design. Spanish colonial ideology was racist. US colonial ideology is racist too. That's more than 500 years of white supremacist ideology. In PR we learn the history of the US, but the history of Haiti is not part of the school curriculum, even if Haiti has more to do with our struggles for liberation than that of the colonial US empire. Black Puerto Ricans have always been part of our struggles for emancipation in and beyond PR, just think of Arturo Alfonso Schomburg during the Harlem Renaissance, or the great abolitionist Martin Sostre in Buffalo, NY, or the great nationalist Pedro Albizu Campo, killed by the CIA, but who, during an incredible life became a consultant in the drafting of the constitution of the Irish Free State.
Not true, The Spanish Crown allowed mixed marriages since early 16th century. Puerto Rican society was fully integrated into one thanks to Spain., that is why the Puerto Rican is mixed raced (dna studies :70% iberian, 20% subsaharian 10% indigenous) Hispanic societies are integrated, the US society is the opposite of any Hispanic society, US is segregated because the british did not allow racial integration and mixed marriages, finally the US legally allowed it in all states in 1967 ( see Loving Vs. Virginia- Supreme Court Case).
We are Puerto Ricans , slavery was abolish in P.R. in 1873. About 15% of the population is black or Mullato. The rest are white or mix with Tainos.There are towns in Island that the majority of Puerto Rican are white specially in the mountains. We accept who we are , we see each other as Puerto Ricans.We are not going to denied white Puerto Ricans because some people in states wants to push blackness on every body. The majority of Puerto Ricans are white and the majority of black Puerto Ricans are found in Loiza and Ponce.We see each other as family no matter what color we are.
I don't think anybody is asking your to deny "whiteness"....as a Haitian, the most African black on this side of the world, I know blackness is something racially ambigious people are always running away from.
Denying whiteness was not what was being convey in this conversation. Don't worry, you'll make it into white heaven
That’s not true. Where are you getting this from. Always trying to deny what you are. This crap is killing me. Pick up a book. When you deny yourself, you deny history. My god.
1873? More like 1898 due the Spanish American War. The Spanish King tried to stop the trade n ownership in the Lesser Antilles and going west but the Spanish nobles in the Caribbean and North and South America (around 1820-50) said fk that.
British outlawed trade/ownership of all slaves in the late 1700s in their colonies and the UK. During the war of 1812 the British invaded America with Brigades of Africans soldiers and sailors (no Black Americans)
So the order of slave abolishment
England (King orders)
Spain(king orders)
USA(war)
@@crazyco2251873 in Puerto Rico 1888 in Cuba.
Cuando yo llegue a USA en el 1993 tenia 10 años de edad a mi no me hacia sentido porque me desian Hispanic or hispano. Porque yo no soy de España yo soy de Borinquen y por eso es que yo me considero Boricua. (PuertoRiqueño). Y yo me desia a pues so yo soy hispano Hispanic pues ellos son Ingleses. Osea la gente de orogen Afriano y Europeo.
Pero siempre supue que tenia cultura y etencia Taina Afriakana y Española porque eso lo aprendi en la historia en PR.
Ahora lo que pasa es eso de identificarse de ser Negro o ser blanco es algo de USA. Mis padres nunca me dijero que yo soy Blanco o Negro siempre me desian que soy Boricua. Ahora a todos lados que voy la gente me dicen Cano y cuando yo era niño detestaba eso pero ya me acostrumbre. Ahora mi familia somos mezcaldo y todos nos tratamos iguales hay blancos y negros o nativos pero yo era siego a eso cuando vivia en PR. De color mi mama es negrita y mi papa es Blankito. Pero somos Boricuas. Ahora aka en USA yo eh pasado problemas con gente por ser Boricua aka en la escuela y el trabajo con gente de origen Eurpepo y gente de orogen Africano.
Es lo mismo en Rep. Dominicana. Somos dominicanos y ya. No nos importa el color sino nuestra cultura.
Nosotros los puertorriqueños somos españoles caribeños, USA nos separó de España a la fuerza de una invasion no deseada
@@cdiz765 pero tambien somos tainos y africanos
@@joseasantiago30 pero nuestra cultura es hispana, no es africana ni indigena
@@cdiz765 Depende. La cultura es también gastronomía, bailes, la música, el arte en general, y los caribeños tenemos herencia en esos renglones tanto de África como de España. De dónde cree que son los tambores que originaron la conga, la tambora, el bongó, el pandero? Igualmente la gastronomía caribeña tiene mucho de Africa, tanto así, que los platos típicos o populares de otros lugares del Caribe de población principalmente negra como Jamaica es bien parecida a la de Cuba, PR y RD.
Boy, what a wonderful and informative interview with these two very intelligent and smart ladies who have a deep and penetrating knowledge of the subject of Puerto Rico past, present, and future. I learned something that I didn't know very much about. Thank you all.
A lot of them are ashamed of there black ancestry! Especially Dominicans and PR
Yes this is true. But now I am starting to see many Dominicans are also waking up from the colonialist slumber.
Stop generalizing people>
this is why Hispanics
have left the conversation
Barely black people in PR, just tanned people due the extreme sun rays. Basically we are white, less than 10 percent of people here is black, that is a fact.
I don't know that it is shame as much as it is the lack of need to identify as black. We're looking at this through an American lens. Because of our history in the US, black Americans (for the most part) don't identify with any country. So we call ourselves black. Everywhere else, including DR, PR, Colombia, even Jamaica, the black people there consider themselves of that country. They call themselves Puerto Rican, Colombian, Jamaican, etc... not black. We can't expect black people in other countries to feel the same way we do, when their history is not the same.
@@ReignMaker26 You are right.
From that debate you can see how important history narrative must be explained from a viewpoint point of natives to bring more details. Rosa Clement has a clear understanding of that topic that Danielle Clealand who just studies those topics as a scholar. The funny thing in the western world is that scholars are given more importance with their biases misunderstanding of real history.
Rosa Clement should have been given more time to express herself.
I knew Rosa would know what PR should do! I Love you and your no-nonsense attitude! CALL OUT THE FAKE! THAT’S HOW WORK GETS DONE. No politicking for you ! Love it! ❤❤❤
@user-qg1em4bs1n She doesn't represent Puerto Ricans..
If they want to identify as just Rican let them. No need to impose America’s black vs white rhetoric. Some may be colorist and that should be addressed
I haven’t heard no good argument from these ladies against statehood. As Americans they could demand things from the US
Your are right, we only see boricuas here, even if that person is black or white. We don't want that crap of segregation here.
La Lupe is Cuban, born in Santiago de Cuba. The photo you had of her was with Benny More a famous Cuban singer. Afro Cubans created salsa music from Son, Cha Cha, etc.... It is very easy to Google that Lupe is a proud Cubana from Santiago de Cuba.
We Puerto Ricans are beautiful people with rich cultures africanos, europeos and taínos!! WE LOVE EVERYONE!! 🇵🇷🇵🇷
The British, the Spanish and later the usa. All were claiming land for their empires. All the islands suffered the same fate. The British and the Spanish was battling for control of newly found lands to conquer. This was all under dum DIVERSAS. One of the 1st places was Nassau Bahamas which had the so called Maroon people ( african and natives both labeled by the conquers. Look at show called BLACK SAILS. season 3 and 4. They just basically too the people land because they had a army with ships. They would setup a governor and govern the people's land and write in their books they were salvage and needed to be governed by the so call civilized world. This was under papal bulls . It was a land grab. This WAS THE INQUISITION
Not too long ago in the US, if you had one drop of black blood, you were considered to be black. I think the opposite applies in Hispanic nations, so the Europeans defined us then and continue to define our humanity and interactions today.
Thank you Marc educational
Thank you for watching!! Spread the word!
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@@marclamonthillofficialI see a lots of culture vultures are out to steal AA brother's invention. you and i and hip hop heads knows it's an AA invention. the nerve
@@josephLindor-ki7op: JOKE 😭😭😭😭😭
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Thanks!
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Mark wants to imposed American black culture on a Hispanic culture. We are rooted in Hispanidad and feel at home in Spanish speaking countries and Spain. We would be lost in African nations and we do not speak Swagili.
CORNY BUT I CANT GET MAD CUZ MOST PEOPLE INCLUDING PUERTO RICANS DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN REALLY GOING ON ALL THESE YEARS!
HOWEVER, THIS IS HOW MESSED UP EUROPEANS HAVE ALL OF US… PUERTO RICO HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST AND HEAVIEST AFRICAN (specifically YORUBAN/NIGERIAN) PRESENCE IN EVERYTHING THEY ARE AND DO YET WERE CONDITIONED TO NOT SEE IT FOR CENTURIES…
AND IF THEY THEMSELVES DON’T SEE IT, IT’S NO WONDER THE WORLD DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS TRUTH!!!….
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AND OTHER YT/LATINO/HISPANICS/SPANISH PEOPLE!!!
A LOT OF US ARE EXTREMELY PROUD OF BEING OF AFRICAN DESCENT!!!!
AAAND CUBANS, DOMINICANS, AND PUERTO RICANS ARE NOT LATINO/HISPANIC/SPANISH, WE’RE AFRO-CARIBBEAN, DUMBY!!!!!
😂 SMH
Wow
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Let’s go Rosa!!
Puerto Rico didn’t help create hip hop, they actually joined the movement late, they didn’t start break dancing almost until the early 80s, and they involvement in soul, rock, blues, sick, and jazz are almost non existent in black culture
@jkashdamoneyman5870 Of course, they did not create Hip Hop culture, which is an extension of Black American culture. There's nothing Latin or Caribbean about Hip Hop. Yet they come on here trying to spew unity while attempting to perpetrate a most divisive move. Respect your own heritage and respect that of other people. Without that, there is no unity.
I was waiting for this comment right here.
So, by your logic, DJ Kool Herc, a Jamaican (Caribbean), didn't help with the foundation of hip hop? @randted
@drexreflects Kool Herc is on record, i.e., video, admitting that he assimilated to Black American culture. He also admitted that Hip Hop actually began 2- to-3 years before 1973. In addition, he admitted that he observed Black Americans waiting for the break portion of the record to do break dancing, which inspired him to create his Merry Go Round technique. He also admitted that he was not influenced by Jamaican sound system but by Black American DJs whom he calls by name. Hip Hop is a Black American, aka FBA, genre. Herc was functioning in an existing culture. He did not import Hip Hop from Jamaica, as it was not in Jamaica but in America before he joined the culture. No one brought a whole culture to Black American neighborhoods. We've had the most musical culture for centuries. Herc did not create Hip Hop culture. He innovated the extension of breakbeats. Therefore, he is a contributor. Many of these other people claiming to be contributors are merely participants. Nevertheless, the culture is Black American, with the elements being compiled by urban Black youth in NY from existing FBA Culture. Hip Hop is synonymous with the term "sampling." It pretty much capitalized on what already existed in those early days, not just the rapping but the other elements as well.
@@randted Your oringal comment said theres NOTHING Carribean about hip-hop. While it's true that hip hop emerged as a distinct cultural phenomenon in urban Black American communities, its roots and evolution have been shaped by diverse cultural influences beyond the United States. Scholars and cultural historians point to several key contributions from African and Caribbean musical traditions that have significantly impacted the development of hip hop:
Rhythmic Influences: African rhythmic traditions, characterized by complex polyrhythms and percussive elements, have profoundly influenced hip hop's beat-making and rhythmic patterns. These influences are evident in the use of drum breaks and syncopated beats that define hip hop production techniques.
Oral Tradition and Storytelling: Hip hop's lyrical tradition draws from African and Caribbean oral storytelling practices, where rhyming, wordplay, and narrative techniques have deep cultural roots. This aspect of hip hop reflects a broader continuum of African diasporic cultural expression.
Sound System Culture: While DJ Kool Herc, a pivotal figure in hip hop's early days, was influenced by Black American DJs, the concept of sound system culture and its impact on DJ techniques originated in Jamaica. Sound system culture emphasized the importance of DJs in selecting and playing music for community gatherings, influencing how DJs like Herc approached their craft in New York City.
Reggae and Dancehall Influence: Artists like DJ Kool Herc incorporated reggae and dancehall records into their DJ sets, contributing to the fusion of Caribbean musical styles with American funk, soul, and disco that characterized early hip hop music.
Global Cultural Exchange: Hip hop's global spread has led to cross-cultural collaborations and exchanges that continue to shape the genre. Artists and producers from Africa, the Caribbean, and beyond have integrated their cultural perspectives and musical traditions into hip hop, enriching its creative diversity.
Sources such as "Can't Stop Won't Stop: A History of the Hip-Hop Generation" by Jeff Chang, which discusses hip hop's multicultural roots and influences, and "Rap Music and Street Consciousness" by Cheryl L. Keyes, which explores the global impact of hip hop culture, provide insights into how diverse cultural elements have contributed to the evolution of hip hop as a global phenomenon. These perspectives underscore the dynamic and inclusive nature of hip hop culture, rooted in African American experiences while embracing influences from across the African diaspora and beyond.
People who don’t know anything about PR telling people how we feel is such an entitled Americanthing to do.
Y’all give anyone a headache!!!😂😂😂
_During the November 3, 2020 general elections, Puerto Rico held a statehood referendum asking one question._ *Should Puerto Rico be admitted immediately into the Union as a State?*
_The results showed that 52 percent of Puerto Rico voters answered yes. Which means nearly 48% voted no._
_Therefore, would it not be prudent to have citizens, elected officials, & celebrities whose families were born & raised on the island - for centuries - to play a part in this discussion? Let's include the 52% & 48% into this matter._
_I mean, 3 American nationals _*_non-Puerto Rican nationals at that_*_ plotting the future of Puerto Rico without Puerto Ricans._
A rigged referendum, lefting out the options the people realy wanted. Let than 40% of the voting people gone to vote due that.
This is really interesting to hear.
😂 Puerto Rico was never black! There's nothing to erase about it!
The facts are the facts. We are and have always been Mestizos for the overwhelming part (Native/Spanish mix, about 85%) mostly in the mountains with some African remnants (15% or so) along the coast line. We don't have a problem with that. Why should anybody else even be talking about this?
The main thing that Africans have contributed to Puerto Rican culture is paganism & voodoo. I don't see anybody in Puerto Rico trying to stop them from doing their rituals. Black Puerto Ricans are just "Puerto Rican" to us. It's Americans who bend over backwards to bring up these differences. Let Puerto Ricans just be Puerto Ricans. We don't need to be like America where everyone is judged by their race.
The rest of our culture is overwhelmingly Spanish from our art to our education to our social practices to our language to our religion.
Americans should learn from us how to "not" see color in each other.
Majority of African slaves went to Puerto Rico which let's me know you are very uneducated
You're 135% correct! That's folks with their "color" and "race" mentality that was FORCED on Blacks, and now, they're trying to force it on Puerto Ricanss. Unfortunately, some Puerto Ricans are buying into this mentality. Usually, they're the "Americanized" Puerto Ricans that latch onto this bullshit...
It's more divide and conquer attacks. Why? Because they're going after the beautiful island of Puerto Rico...
Divide Puerto Ricans into little groups (usually by color), then take one of those little groups under their wing, and finally turn that group against the other groups...
@@YankeeWoodcraft Some people want to make everything about race and politics to further their beliefs and agendas, That's what I see about this interview.
@@douglaslamb7267 Pretty much.
Stop lying to urselve, everyone wants to be white, all Hispanic community don't respect black people and are worse than white people. Just acknowledge that race is a factor in pourto rico and never lie again.
Rosa Clemente is not to well versed on the history of Puerto Rico..Much of her information is some truth mixed with a lot of misinformation. For example, she stated that the Black population in Puerto Rico at a certain time was 64%..That is incorrect...It would be more accurate to say it was 64% mixed if anything...The average Puerto Rican is 65-70% European (mainly Spanish), 10-15% Taino or Native American, and 15-20% Subsaharan African..If you want to get a sense of the reality of Puerto Rico, it would be wise to also include actual Puerto Ricans from the Island in the discussion. I'm not dismissing Rosa Clemente at all. I just don't think she's well versed on the history of the island. Check out this 3 part short series on the history of Puerto Rico..part 1 th-cam.com/video/0pVGKXJ4wd0/w-d-xo.html part 2 th-cam.com/video/8SNJsMBLbZY/w-d-xo.html part 3 th-cam.com/video/yh4DktYO480/w-d-xo.html
when I speak with lawyers about sovereignty they all say the same thing, unless you have an army a countries sovereignty is not recognized, especially by super powers. Even if the country is rich in resources like a Haiti, we still repeat the narrative that Haiti is a third world country when every super power is over there stealing their natural resources and richness. And if that doesnt work sabotours are sent in to say the country is out of control and a foreign country raises up leaders partial to their interest.
Costa Rica and Monaco don't have a military and are recognized by the world
Haiti doesn’t belong to Haitians. They are not indigenous to the land. They are Africans brought to the island by the French in the 1700s.
Costa Rica has no army and it is a recognized sovereign country.
It's more about erasing The Tainos from the Island. The Natives were Native American not African
I am from Puerto Rico and it annoys me to see African Americans trying to stir racial animosity in Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and other Latin American countries. In USA, if you have one drop of African, you're considered black. In Latin countries all ancestries within each individual are considered important. Language, culture and nationality are considered far more important than skin color in Spanish-speaking countries. I don't think that AA want to be like us and we don't want to be like them, let's leave it at that!!!
Thank you now tell the other culture vultures to create their own music because they haven't created NOTHING of their own
@@GregLucas-pv8nm People that inhabit the same countries/territories are going to be influenced by their neighbors, even if they prefer not to be influenced. Absolutely no ethnic group can avoid that reality. I guess we're ALL vultures!!
You're acting like racial animosity didn't exist on its own & is the fault of African/Black Americans. FOH with that anti Black BS when colorism & colonization was imposed on EVERYONE by the white colonizers.
Please 🙏🏿 don’t put that on the AA, what you are seeing is the result of white supremacy, let’s be clear!! The one ☝🏿 drop blood 🩸 rule is only to protect whiteness.. AA didn’t invent this rule they are the victims of it!! It’s was used to devalue are erase the original victims of enslavement!!
I think you should actually get to know Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who are of African descent. And yes I'm Dominican with clearly Black African features who is in community with Black Dominicans on the island. We DO see each other as Black and there is a 500 year history and documentation of said history, including museums. This is in community with and of course independent of whatever goes on in the USA with African American communities. It's somewhat different. But it's still Black.
What country in the world does not have some form of dark history?
Don't forget Al Sharpton, a United States-born African, served 90 days in prison for defending Puerto Ricans against the United States Federal Government.
Long live the island of Vieques!
@wyndhl8309 And don't forget it was Puerto Rican pilots who taught the Tuskeegee Airman to fly...
@harvey607 With what relevance, if any, does your retort fit into the thematic declaration?😮😢😂😅
@wyndhl8309 when you don't have a proper response then you turn to theatrics...
@harvey607 Response, please; no poppycock evasion!
Does your snubbism fit, yes or no?
@@wyndhl8309 I ask you the same question..Yes or no?
Independence for puerto rico
the island of borinquen is yours too
To fight for your land, have courage.
It is time for Puerto Rico to have independence and dignity.
but first a revolution must occur so that Puerto Ricans finally have freedom for their people.
Puerto Rico is the only nation that never fought for its independence Respect yourselves so that others respect you.
The best way for Puerto Ricans to gain there independence, is for Puerto Ricans to go back & fight & rebuild
@@amandlaawethu1538
Not really
The Puerto Rican people must all vote as one
@@neldadon True in theory but why not go back & fight & improve what is there without ever coming to America 🤔
I’m so excited to watch this. I don’t think American media covers the island and its issues. I was born on the island and I am always saddened by what I see it turning into.
Falfullera😂
When I go to Puerto Rico, all I see is a version of Hawaii. Real estate is so expensive, so the Puerto Ricans have to move to the mainland ‘cause they can afford to stay, and the tourism and hotel/casino, high end real estate residential homes and condominium high rises, all adding up to the further displacement t of Puerto Ricans.
And don’t get me started the terrible public school system in Puerto Rico which is just awful.
Are you insane?
The typical Puerto Rican high school graduate (which is well into the 80% range) are equivalent to a first year college student in America. That's why there are American scouts down there that get paid to bring back Puerto Rican graduates and set them up with careers here.
As for the poverty level, that's what happens when the US takes more in taxes than they return to the island. All the American companies down there that pay taxes, that money goes to the mainland. It's a cash cow for the US, regardless of what they'd have you believe.
If that money stayed in Puerto Rico, it'd be another Dubai.
@@YankeeWoodcraft 🎯🎯🎯
Well, that's bscause we aren't black. My ancestry is 57% Indigenous and 43% European, which is half if not more of what Latinos are. They're are afro latinos sure, but the majority of Latino's are of European and Indigenous ancestry. So it's not a matter of not wanting to be black, we just aren't black, period.
If your Puerto Rican that’s extremely rare to have such high indigenous ancestry I mean extremely rare for anyone in the Caribbean. And mestizo don’t dominate all countries and definitely not the Caribbean or southern cone and some mestizo are really just displaced indigenous people especially in Peru Bolivia Guatemala and southern Mexico. The people of Latin America are not a monolith
You can only speak for yourself
@@yusefnegao I'm Mexican American
@@rrjr1994 exactly that makes sense you guys lean to your indigenous ancestry phenotypically more than the Caribbean Latinos and it makes sense that Afro Latinos are more rare or invisible to you and I get it but my dad is half Panamanian and Cuban specifically Santiago de cuba and I have a very different perspective
@@rrjr1994 and if you talk to an Argentinian their experience would be different than both of ours
Look what is happening in Haiti. The same injustice.
Mr.Hill, thanks for the Upload. Thanks for the drive to continue, after the separation from previous platforms.
Don't forget JLo and Sean Puff Diddy, their romance and hooliganism!😮😢
Thank you for covering us. Yts are literally coming in droves and rents are skyrocketing astronomically.
In 2019 i used to live in a cozy 1/1 apartment at 500, as soon as these yts started coming in droves shit went up 50% with a months notice in 2022.
#LibrePalestinaYPuertoRico 🇵🇷🇵🇸
Also, FBI has to investigate investing firms buying up single family homes with FHA loans. Specifically under the HUD system.
ITS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL
Thank you for watching! Please spread the word 🙏🏾
Rafael Trujillo was one of the Dominican republic president, and he was half Haitian himself, also, a mejora la Raza believer@@marclamonthillofficial
@@marclamonthillofficialmejora la Raza is literally rampant in the Dominican republic, and one of Dr former president Rafael Trujillo, half Haitian, was one of mejora la Raza pusher
It is disheartening to see the lack of attention the US gives to Puerto Rico. Some individuals, including politicians, have expressed a preference for being part of Spain rather than the US, citing historical reasons. This sentiment was even brought up at the UN. and even the US should've understand that puerto ricans didn't wanted to give up their spanish Language and culture, ut the US tried so hard, but puerto rican were patriotic, now I understand those patriotic puerto ricans saw hard future being part of the US as a Unincorporated and organized U.S. territory but til the day in puerto rico the flag of the spanish empire can be found .
If cuba 🇨🇺 and Dominican 🇩🇴 can sustain it's self
Puerto Rico can as well.
Independence for pr one flag one nation 🇵🇷✊️
Cuba is falling apart and 95% of DR’s blue collar workers are Haitian.
Cuba and Dominican Republic have extreme poverty. Why you think they are risking their lives coming to the USA.
Cuba rd = países en vías de desarrollo y pobreza extrema
And how is it going for them?
Dominicans still 🛶 to P.R.
Cubans can't afford a tooth brush.
@amgooder great 👍 👌 👏 😇🙏
Because no foreigners can dictate our own nation.
🤭😂 ask all your people that can't stop coming over
For vacation instead of there own country...
Here we again with "Lets blame the Big Bad Yankee" game.
No, Puerto Ricans aided in erasing their blackness. 😊
I am Puerto Rican Palestinian it is always been a joke how both my countries have been occupied by the same people
Some Puerto Ricans are Sephardic
Wow!
What is it any outsiders' business how we think or identify? Leave us be
ouch
Caucasian people often question black Puerto Ricans on whether they are from the island .... 🤦🏿♂️
Do you ask the other Puerto Ricans the same question? ..... 🤷🏿♂️
Marc, I live in San Juan PR been there for past 6 yrs. I remember you from our days playing pickup basketball at Temple U on Broad st back in Philly. I can tell you from my experience that the PR locals, for the most part choose based on what best benefits them at the moment. But, they definitely don’t choose “white” or Gringo as they call them. PR’s have not picked sides with the whites and actually use and abuse the whites on the island for money, food and resources. Puerto Ricans are proud to be Puerto Ricans. The island is a Caribbean paradise, the economy is growing and opportunity is better than ever.
Not talking about gringo but being a white Puerto Rican and yes they do exist
@@yusefnegao did you even read my comment??? Because I don’t understand what you’re saying or why you’re saying it directly to me. There is technically no such thing as a black or white Puerto Rican. Either you’re born on the island as a Puerto Rican or not. The black or white racism is definitely not what proud Puerto Ricans desire. Not proud Puerto Ricans…. The word Gringo itself is used when talking about foreigners and people not born on the island who can’t speak Spanish well. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
@@mauricemcdaniel6629 white Puerto Ricans have always existed their ancestors created the casta system
@@yusefnegao do you understand there is NO official classification or designation of “White Puerto Rican”. You do know that right??? That’s called racism….. you don’t get that??? Maybe that’s the first problem, you don’t know what racism actually is….
@@mauricemcdaniel6629 doesn’t matter it’s still a reality
Thanks MARC.
Your 2 guess, are SUPER EDUCATIONAL.
Thank you for watching! Please share 🙏🏾
The amount of mad people in the comments is proving his point about the distancing of blackness
Blacks been there and done that. They know a lot of people hold racial ws colorist hierarchy bigoted hypocrisy mindset. They see people go about their own business and what’s good for them. So doing the same. There’s a deep fear where they might be placed in society if black aren’t at the bottom, that could mean they might be. Why everyone lose their minds when blacks go about their business a d do anything good for them selves. It’s that same mindset with black Wall Street. Resentment existd in otherd. Not just ws. look up lee atwater southern strategy. It’s a tactic to play on resentment by politicians. That resentment tactic that’s done at white people by politicians. White people do that to other immigrants against Black people. Blacks been there done that know this. If asked, it would be denied. But they know it’s true. Look at the TH-cam comments and videos that Black people call others out on, and many people within their society are black and mixed confirm accusations to be true . That’s the same way whites where when they were liberating themselves. It’s better to have these people at the bottom, so we don’t have to worry about being there ever again. When blacks try to work with others, you have bigots, racist, and colorist, who see equality asinequality get mad. Especially when ws start whispering in their ears that you would be bringing yourself down. Pro monarch were doing this with whites with the idea of democracy and freedom . You would be bringing yourselves down with others who are beneath you. Where people didn’t want oppression, but they didn’t completely want to be pro freedom either. Where whites have their own subgroups as well by the way. Irish Italian in Spanish heavy history of being locked down on. Their scene as a subculture within amongst northern Europeans. Look for approval as well towards trying to overcompensate by being anti-black. It’s a whole down racism that Romney mentioned. Never at one point did it struggle that blacks overcame, others didn’t benefit from it.
What tf is “blackness”? Lmao 🤣
We do not see race, the same as African-Americans and there is the distinction. We see things through the lens of nationality and the preservation of a unique racial make up and history.
ROSA AND DANIELLE.
2 OF the most important educators, in the region.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK 👍 👌 👏 😉 ❤❤
PR is a Hispanic island. We speak Spanish, are Christian, and inherited our culture from the mother country Spain.
@@julian65886 all built by stolen African labor, stolen African lives
That's the colonizer. You are a Latin American island. Like Cuba the mother land is not Spain, but Africa, Spain and the indigenous Taino people.
If I was to go and spend time in Africa I would not understand anyone. The culture is too different. Furthermore , the Africans would not understand anything about my culture. However, if i go to a Spanish speaking country or Spain I feel like I am at home. I have zero connection to Africa. other than watching people dance Bomba or salsa. My culture is based on "La Hispanidad". The Taínos are extinct, I know even less about them. The mother country is clearly Spain. In 1897 we were a Spanish province with the same rights as people in the Spanish mainland. Then America invaded. We are Spanish to the core. IN fact the Spanish DNA is the highest one on the island.
@@julian65886if you speak slow Angola and Mozambique will understand you and Equatorial Guinea 🇬🇶 speaks Spanish
You should be asking Spain your so call mother country to come to your assistance whenever you have natural disasters instead of depending on the USA 🇺🇸
Here in Puerto Rico we know that we are descendants of a group of ethnic groups, including black Africans, and a large group of us have no problems with that. Regarding the political status, more than 55% of Puerto Ricans do not want Independence, we do not want to live the misery that the majority of Latin American republics experience. We want Statehood, an issue that has been evidenced in the last 2 plebiscites held by the government of Puerto Rico. These are facts!
The reason the independence movement in Puerto Rico is small is due to the brutal oppression of the people wanting independence. The US has massacred and tortured people involved in the independence movement. The independence movement was huge in Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
That was then but what about now?
@@BTman58: Let me enlighten you P.R. had freedom fighters for independence ( Macheteros ) and the U.S. Military BOMBED P.R. Yes bombed there own territory‼️💯 Google it google Loiza Lebron freedom fighter she shot up the White House Congress and yelled FREE P.R.‼️💯 Can’t do that now…..
@@BTman58: Different time now can’t be radical‼️💯 Maybe one day P.R. will be Free‼️💯 Just like we thought we would never see a Black president but it happened‼️💯
@@BTman58the same shit
@JC-yf1tc
Do you have examples of these massacrations and tortures, and brutal oppression happening today?
This people have no damn clue of PRs history, PR was NEVER a colony of Spain a a matter of fact PR was Spain 1st province and Spain never had colonies but VIREINATOS these people are only regurgitating the black legend
Yeah these people are mental..
More victimhood.
INDEPENDENCE!!!!
This is the wrong approach, Puerto Rico isn't about color, is about actually living in the island, and being born there. We are Puerto Ricans, Not black or white. We come in all shape and colors. So stop bringing colors in this please.
I'm from Puerto Rico, and from all the places in the world, Puerto Rico is one of the places where you would find the least amount of racism. I grew up and lived in PR for 30 years, and I never witnessed a racial incident and there is no systemic racism either. I was a police officer for 4 years, and we never targeted people for the color of their skin. PR is very mixed. I am white skin and I have cousins who are black skin. PR doesn't have red lined communities by race. PR have public housing (caserios), but they are not race based, it's low income. The only place I can say is predominantly black is Loiza, and they are not discriminated against. Black people just stayed in Loiza and it's been historical black. Please, don't try to bring racial issues to PR because of all the issues in PR, race discrimination is not one of them. PR is not like the US. I don't appreciate boricuas from the US trying to speak up on things that aren't issues in PR when the island has a lot of real problems like corrupt politicians, crumbling infrastructure, failing education system, failing power grid and the list goes on and on.
@jonwasowski
I agree!!! We’ve never based ourselves racist or build on racism, and I’m Puerto Rican born and raised.
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@@anactaneustheeleventh2542 I know. I don't have anything against puertoricans living in the US, but these ladies clearly don't live in PR and are trying to speak for the puertoricans who actually live in the island. These ladies can barely speak spanish and just because they read a couple of books about the History of PR, this doesn't make them experts on how it is to live in PR. There are people in PR who can speak about the real issues in the island.
Bullsh*t! I am black American and lived and worked in PR for 6 years total. I have never been treated so poorly anywhere else in the world. From being ignored at restaurants, to being resented at work for being the senior manager in charge. I was sent there to clean up a poorly functioning branch, and I did fix it after identifying the troublemakers trying to undermine everything since they hated my being there. There were some great people there too, but the rotten eggs ruined that island and blacks catch more hell there than a little bit.
@@jonwasowski
I agree!!! I’ve been saying that for quite sometime now, there’s a difference between Puerto Ricans and Ricans born in the US, I was born and raised in PR, and for the most part I never saw overt racist behavior from anybody. There were some minor incidents, but not because of race, did I saw some minor things regarding to race, I did, but they were very very minor, and real Puerto Rican will attest to this fact, those who were born and raised in PR will agree with me. This recent developments and treatments regarding race are new and only in these past years we have inherited these racial problems from mainlanders living in PR, but the PR I was born in was not racist, it was not.
The last chain we need to break is the economic one.
30 years of political freedom taught us that.
Much love from South Africa.
It wasn’t about being black. It was about dominant nation to lower dominant nation. Slave owners to slaves.
But the dominant nations were of European influence and the lower dominant Nations ones of POC/Black Peoples/Influence….
Its the same either way.
Puerto Rico should fight for Statehood and then demand all the Rights there of. You fight for a country that doesn't fully support you.✊🏿 I feel your pain. and love you all. I plan to make my first visit their soon. So sorry you were mistreated and abused earlier. We are all family. We gotta realize that
We may not know the history, but in Chicago, Puerto Ricans and Black folks are family. It is joked that the Puerto Ricans are Black folks who speak Spanish
All brown people are black. Just a lighter shade❤
I have family in Chicago and have been going there since I was a kid. When did the Blks and PR's become family? Yall need to stop this.
Boriqua's WE MUST ALL STAND. WE ARE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND WE MUST UNITE AS ONE!
We are Spanish, not indigenous
Here is a little nugget about Puerto Rico, they have never ever had a black governor and very few mayor's are black. So PR also has racists tendencies towards blacks even though ALL of us have African ancestry in our blood. And should be embraced just as Bomba and plena is.
@uliloquito2387 How do you know some of the Governors didn't have at least some African ancestry?
@@harvey607 That is not what I said. I actually pointed out that we ALL have African ancestry. I said they don't elect BLACK skinned people into office. If I need to be more specif than that ,I can't help you in explaining or understanding what I am stating as a fact!
@uliloquito2387 acrual black skinned people is around 3% of the population if that..
@@uliloquito2387 Actual black skinned people is less than 5% of the population
To solve the problems of the Island is to keep the consciousness of the masses alive and the people would eventually unite under one fundamental cause and reason in the reality of their struggle. Difficult but possible for the people by the people. When two cultures clash there are friction but afterwards a new horizon. Peace
This is for those that may not know. If you know...than this comment is not for you. Not all Puerto Ricans have black ancestry, my wife being one of them. Why claim something that you're not. IJS
They Not Like Us
YOU DAMN SKIPPY‼️💯
I'm happy I'm not like y'all. Shout out to the FBA's who can speak a little Spanish, know how delicious Puerto Rican food is, and try to dance salsa! We got love for y'all! All the others can keep their arrogant selves over THERE! We don't claim you.
@@edithmontalvo3670
Do you boo.
Very interesting show and conversation, thank you! Let's also keep in mind there is a movement to bring Puerto Rico back with Spain, as a Spanish Autonomous Community (like the Canary Islands). Puerto Rico never renounced or betrayed Spain. American subjugation was imposed upon us by military invasion. Also, Spain never voluntarily took away the Spanish citizenship of Puerto Ricans. San Juan, our capital was always"The most noble, most loyal and always faithful" (to Spain).
I want Puerto Rico to become Independent and keep thier US citizenship!❤
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
If Puerto Rico becomes independant, US Citizenship will not be maintained. Thats not how it work.
Do you mean become a US state? Because they can't be their own independent nation AND citizens of the United States.
Thats not possible. The US wouldn’t allow that.
Im my opinion. They should become a state but they should create a state Constitution that protects the people of PR and their struggles.
Independence means being independent of the United States.
its not just Puerto Rico " They" want the Caribbean for themselves. we cannot allow it.
Dominican refer themselves to Dominican, not black.
there are tons of dominicans who are proud to be black
@@yansideabacoa6257wrong. where are they when haitian's human right violated in the Dr? the video's are there, they no different.
I no black i Dominican
@@user-fy3ez8pw1v Que mucho quieren dividirnos con lo de blanco y negros, somos dominicanos, boricuas y cubanos sin la basura esa de racismo.
“Black” = African-American.
Yes Rosa fight for your country ❤