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Today i wanted to take some time to talk about a couple of older aspects of Star Wars legends, inlcudng the very cool Xim The Despot. We'll break down all that and more on today's Star Wars Lore video
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Eck, why don't you close with the dog anymore? I always loved that.
Did Zim ever have a droid named anything like G1R or anything similar looking, and did said droid ever sing a song about doom?
The old robot hiding as a statue trick. Never gets old.
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I forgot about Xim's War Droids waking up and attacking the Vong, that's so fucking cool, thank you for reminding me. Love the random platoon of Super Battle Droids who also went to war against them.
'The Last of the Jedi' novel series by Jude Watson is my old favorite from my youth, detailing Obi-Wan's early adventures after Revenge of the Sith.
Is it better than Kenobi by JJM?
Read a couple of books from this series as well as loved them, really want to finish Feris Olin's story some day!
Haven't read that one to be honest so I couldn't compare, but I can give a favorite excerpt of mine from the first book; 'The Desperate Mission' of tLotJ.
The context is Obi-Wan's on the planet Bellassa looking for clues as to an ex-Jedi friend of his named Ferus Olin, which brought him to a diner neighboring a former workplace of Olin's.
Chp. 4, page 29: "At least the meal was good. Obi-wan bent over, inhaling the aroma, and took another bite. Qui-Gon would advise him to eat. He never believed in wasting an opportunity, even for food. He remembered one of the life lessons of the Masters when he was just a Padawan, something Qui-Gon liked to quote: *When food arrives, eat.* of course, the saying meant more than that. It was about enjoying what you have in the moment. But Qui-Gon's kindness had always extended to recognizing the hunger of a growing boy."
That bit always stuck with me lol, and just made me love Qui-Gon's character even more when rewatching Phantom Menace.
@@Hello-bi1pmIt is much much better.
@@airplanemaster1 Oh my God you do not know how much nostalgia you just blasted me with. I loved those books. I was never able to finish them--I knew how it ended but the furthest I properly read was the one which ends with Ferus' capture and meeting a certain VIP--and they still stick in my head. I remember that exact passage too.
Ferus Olin is awesome.
It was a big point of pride for me that I'd read just about every post endor novel... even the terrible ones... I think it was a terrible choice to kill legends... now I'll never really know how it ends for Jaina and Fell :(
Well, they do get married and have at least one child considering the Legacy comics.
There is only Legends and nothing else.
@@zam023Ahsoka vs Vader thooo
@@indoorplant2392 I'd rather see corran horn vs shedao shai... (who am I kidding, I want both!)
I kind fell off those after NJO, so I missed out on Dark Nest, etc. I do regret at least not getting through to the Aboleth stuff, it sounded interesting enough.
I,Jedi is one of my favorites outside of heir to the empire triology
brilliant novel. Not many writers can do a full book like that in the first person. Stackpole is a brilliant writer.
@@LegerRon I loved his contributions to the NJO series. Loved Corran in that. I'll totally have to check out I,Jedi at some point.
his little bit in the vong stuff is pretty good. other than kenobi and vader stuff in the kenobi series the part I enjoyed the most was when they said the force sensitive kid was corran horn. little throwbacks like that to the old eu are gems I wish they did more of it. It gave me hope at least then that maybe someday I'd see some of my favorites adapted.
I like how they turned Xim into something like the Star Wars Galaxy's version of Alexander the Great. Makes for some really interesting deep dive lore. The time around Xim's reign - and the roughly concurrent Unification Wars in the Core that would eventually culminate in the founding of the Galactic Republic - is up there with the Pius Dea era and the Hundred Year Darkness as my personal top 3 time periods I wish we'd gotten to see explored by the EU. So much story potential with all three. So much new and interesting world-building we could have had...
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Han Solo gets an Indiana Jones adventure. Those were the days!
Chronologically is Truce at Bakura, which took place straight after Return of the Jedi.
Yes
Well yes, but that one was also terrible. Virtually every aspect of that story made me mad.
@@davidlundquist1979 think I listen to it on books on tape so long ago I just remember I didn't like it that much
@@davidlundquist1979 Truce wasn't great, but I don't think it was all that terrible. Especially given it was an early work, only the second from the Bantam era. Crystal Star, Children of the Jedi, Darksaber, the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy all get much worse marks in my book.
@@classicalextremismBrian Daly’s stuff from a decade before Truce was at least 10 times better, probably 100 times better. Theres no excuse for any of the 90s EU stuff not being quality, even given the rate the stuff was cranked out. There were plenty of good sci fi and fantasy writers to go around. The industry was at its peak during this time! Truce sucks because it’s not SW, it’s the author using some ‘cool’ ideas they had floating around and slapped the OT characters into it.
it still is. Andor 2 is coming
Knowing Disney, there's a non-zero chance they'll fuck it up
@@somerandofilipino6957nah
@@somerandofilipino6957 they've already messed up episode 3 by continuing shooting during the writers strike. usually gilroy was on set helping to guide the scenes, but he couldn't do that for a portion of the final things they shot (episode 3).
@@xlinnaeus i wouldn’t be so worried, susanna white, toby haynes and benjamin caron are all competent directors, not to mention they seem to have a good understanding of gilroy’s vision
@@somerandofilipino6957 You know very little about Andor's production process. Disney ain't doing shit calm your tits
Sometimes i forget how much canon Star Wars media there actually is, not just movies
Edit: As expected, this is an extremely controversial comment due to saying "canon". Listen, guys, Disney has made Star wars trash, but they own it and it's canon.
90-95% of the 'fanbase' has only ever consumed the movies, the mandalorian and the clone wars show.
None of this is "canon", not since the disney buyout.
@@therogueadmiral still wrong
@enisra_bowman I am not wrong. Every book he mentioned was from "legends", the old Canon. That was the whole point of this video. Or did you not even watch it?
@@therogueadmiral and how often this stuff ended up again in canon
One of my favorite old Star Wars stories was Droid World. I had the read along book and record and didn't even know about the Marvel version. Always wanted a Destroyer Droid(Imperial version).
I was so happy that the EGW included actual pictures of some of Xim’s ships
It’s my total fantasy dream to have someone buy Lucasfilm off of Disney, then make disney canon the new non canon and make legends the new actual canon and start making movies off of all of that for the next 50 plus years
It will never happen ever but it’s still my dream
could you imagine the Vong war as a tv series... like clone wars...
Ideally it would've been the sequel trilogy we should have gotten, and what I was genuinely anticipating was going to happen when I heard Disney's trilogy was on...
@@airplanemaster1 if legends were to be canon, there would be multiple “sequel” trilogies, including by not limited to, the fall of the empire, dark empire, vong war, the one sith wars, and many more that I don’t know the name of
@@LegerRon that would be amazing
However it likely wouldn’t be made for kids at all
And they make KotOR 3? Ahhh we can dream
X-Wing novels are my personal favorites, they were so much FUN, especially with the Wraiths Squadron by Aaron Alston, they didn´t take themselves serious and were incredibly entertaining.
And the Thrawn Trilogy is fantastic as well, i can only recommend them.
RAAAH I LOVE ANCIENT STAR WARS!
I did a roleplay in the 24000 BBY time period, and even made a Tionese pirate captain and small space fleet.
#Askeck how many systems are not discovered,colonized and mined/exploited in the star wars galaxy. and why?
Definitely like learning more about Star Wars' past. Seeing how things lead up to that pivotal moment at the Battle of Yavin. Would also love to know what the original galactic dating system was before the whole BBY/ABY thing. Unless that's just a thing for the audiences to have a frame of reference.
"Which books should I read." Funny thing about that...
Some were great. Some were mid. Some were bad. Some were bonkers. And we were not treated like ree-cist sacks of sheit for calling balls and strikes.
I don't see any of the books as bad because they all make up the whole story and the whole story is great.
I do agree. And guess what on my birthday I’m gonna have a full Star Wars meal
Cant wait for more great content from this channel!
Used to be my favorite thing for over a decade
Great video and recommendations, but I'm sorry "Bollux" the droid made me laugh too much! 😂😂😂
Star Wars was my favorite I.P. before the dark times, the Disney times...
I like a lot of Legends but there are many things I would have liked more detail on. Interesting ship classes that you get a name for but no details or only ever get specifics on a special variant rather then the standard models (The Chasemaster and Stella class Frigates from the lats Legends novels and the CIS Wavecrest class being examples of the former, and the Class C Frigates and Alderaanian War Frigates among the latter.) Also I never understood why we never really saw the Alderaanian military fleet doing anything during the Legend Clone Wars material. Its too bad the RPG material has never really dove into the pre-Sith wars of the setting though. Or even really covered any of the pre-Clone Wars pre-Rusan Republic internal wars in much detail unless they involved the Sith. I would have love some sourcebooks covering the Alaskan Conflicts and the larger wars they were sometimes part of. (The Alaskan Conflicts were a series of 17 Republic Civil Wars which lasted decades or sometimes centuries and were sometimes part of larger Republic internal conflicts)
If interested in old school vintage star wars, I suggest Splinter of the mind's Eye, the Han Solo trilogy ( HS at stars end, theres a comic version too, etc), The Lando Calrissian trilogy of books (easter egg in movie Solo, when Lando was doing his autobiography). Then for sure the original Thrawn trilogy. This was all we had until the prequel movies came out in '99.
After the end of Return of the Jedi, the flow of the story continues with the Thrawn trilogy. So, yes, that is the best books to start with.
Every time a Star Wars TH-camr mentions the goddamned Yuuzhan Vong, take a drink.
Im so ready for Corey and crew to make Xim related content in the Old Republic era
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.
Thank you so much Eck!! You explained this very well :)
A ramen trooper is something I thought I'd never see in my life
Do an episode on the terminology in the novels. Been reading a lot of legends recently and noticed some common but unique phrases from different authors
Like etheric, terminator line and levering/Ed up from a seat.
As someone who did not start chronologically at all, I had to do a lot of wookieepedia legwork to make sense of things 😅
Since did my best to fill the voids with actual novels tho, which is a much better way
Holy cow! I just heard the first episode of the sojourn and I swear that I heard you in it!
I jumped straight into the new jedi order after only having read plagueis because I had always been fascinated by the Yuuzhong Vong and wanted to know more. I ended up just browsing wookiepedia alongside reading NJO to find out more about the characters I didn't know.
Very smooth transition there lmao
Its so funny that those are the books you recommend, because the only EU I read when I was young, when they were fresh and new, were exactly that. Courtship of Princess Leia, Thrawn Trilogy, and Rogue Squadron series. Maybe a couple of others I can't recall. I kinda wasn't ever really interested in the 'next generation' of Jedi books and so on. I had Truce at Bakura, but the Ssi-Ruuk and their soul technology were a bit too 'Hard Sci-Fi' for me.
I enjoyed most of the EU novels and agree with your assessment for people to read it all lol.
My first Star Wars novel was Jedi Search, given to me by my 5th grade History teacher who noticed I was always drawing Boba Fett and Star Destroyers in his class 😂
I recently touched on this subject myself loosely in my podcast, but i thought of the various precursor races of star wars beyond the rakata, namely the kwa, zeffo, etc. Wanted to hear your thoughts.
Definitely a cooler universe than our own
Well now, it's probably too early to judge. Once we crack fast-than-light travel AND develop the medical technology to not instantly die when exposed to another planet's biosphere, we'll probably encounter all kinds of cool stuff.
Gir: Ima sing the doom song now!
I used to read han solo at stars end and han solos adventures so many times. I love how in England they changed Bollux name to sound less like Bollocks
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20 years ago now, I read my first serious Star Wars book, Shatterpoint. After that I read the entire New Jedi Order. I understood fairly little, and inadvertently kinda spoiled a lot of the rest of the books. Still a good time. Shatterpoint and Vector Prime (NJO 1) were both very dark novels, at least at the time. Spooky.
Some place in my garage I have the other Del Ray trilogy books
I'm not a mega fan of Star Wars but I relate to the frustration. I LOVED the Star Trek 1980s novels that took enormous care to reflect canon whilst filling in gaps to make us believe how "us now" got to Star Trek TOS. Obviously we must now accept that "real life" cannot be reconciled with ST canon so we must simply accept that prime ST doesn't fit with our world.
I accept that. Why can't various franchises accept such issues and at least keep future canon consistent? Apologies for bringing ST into this but I feel that there are similar issues the SW fans have had to accept so I empathise.
I remember how big Star Wars used to be... before the dark times. I consider most of Legends to still be canon, unless it's something worth being canon like the Mando or Rogue One, I don't view it as canon, I view it as overpriced fan fiction.
Nothing Disney has made will ever be worthy of canon status. Period. Mandalorian and Rogue One can bite me, and so can anyone that likes that trash.
So it's "Han Solo and the treasure of Xim." We need this movie.
Im going to try viteramen now, after hearing about it so often on the channel
So much lore in old Star Wars, the Xim era is classic.
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I would love to hear you talk the legacy era I feel like it is hard to find good info on TH-cam about it
Damn someone finally came out and said it😂
Ah yes, Zim and his fearsome war droid GIR.
Thank you Tim!
loving the ask eck era
hi Eck, i have a question :) Don't remember this being discussed before. I'm curious just how many different races/species exist in the SW galaxy (here i'm mostly thinking of spacefaring ones). How old is the galactic "community", who were the first in the past to make contact with each other, etc? thx:)
Not to say this wouldn't make for an interesting video, but The Essential Atlas covers most of these questions pretty well.
The Han Solo Adventures remains to this day my favorite EU book.
The Darth Bane trilogy is by far my favorite series.
That is true Star Wars used to be cool but now I have no idea what is happening to Star Wars
Honestly I haven’t seen anything since book of boba. It’s just better to pretend nothing has been made since the Disney purchase.
The few good things from star wars canon are jedi survivor, fallen order, bad batch, andor and rouge one but the rest is not that good, a shame they mistreated it
@@davidetrimigliozzi3091 I tried the Jedi survivor games. Honestly the characters were insufferable. Gameplay was ok.
@@basedautism2283 I am sorry you did not like them
Halo too
Best books to start with after Endor (imho): the X Wing Series, then the Thrawn Trilogy
I wonder if Xim the Despot was the inspiration for the Invader Zim cartoon character.
He changed the title
Hey eck, do you think it's possible to create a starwars story with elements of the original draft script/ dark horse comic as a part of it?
I have the revenge of the sith novelization and and plagueis always downloaded as audiobooks
What mod are those ressurgance SDs from? An EAWx submod?
The coolest stories ever, its sad to see the state of my favorite franchise.
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What a brave statement, really being vulnerable with this one, eh? Star Wars wouldn't exist now without how good it was in the old days, it took Disney years to squander the good will.
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May the Force be with... Tim?
My dream Star Wars series would get a serious, epic, political drama in the style of Shogun and earlier Game of Thrones about the rise and fall of Xim.
Some of those Vite Ramen packages are questionable.
Wish we got a more dedicated story on Xim rather than mentions and source books knowledge
If Xim’s father was Xur, did he ever fight with the Ko-Dan Armada?
Xim is rare example of warlord who was not Sith.
Don't know why my question keeps disappearing when I use the hastag, but here it is again. What's the difference between batteries, turrets, and regular weapons emplacements when talking about ship weapons. For example and ISD-1 has turbolaser batteries, turbolaser turrets, and just turbolasers. What does that actually mean?
A turret can turn its turbolaser barrel into the desired direction, a battery is a turret with several barrels (2 to 8 in Star Wars) and a gun emplacement is a fixed gun. Either spinal mount (i. E. Eclipse superlaser) or broadside style like on sailing ships. You see those in the opening battle of Episode 3 and I believe later Star Destroyers have them too.
Laser cannons can have several barrels too( see Millenium Falcon in Episode 4), but they don't get listed as batteries, I believe due to their small size.
I had the same problem with the hashtag too.
Question. How Sith Empire from Kotor dissapeared? I have seen some theories about massive war with the Republic that caused the fall of this Empire, but never in legends. Is there any actuall reason in legends?
I recognize Empire at War, but what mod? I've never seen those ship designs before.
i love these videos
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Invader Xim?
"I'm gonna sing the Doom Song now!"
The Thrawn trilogy was great for the time, but man is it rough to revisit now. Mostly due to Zahn's writing style (and overuse of the word "sardonic") and his idolization of Luke.
I wouldn't shy people away from the EU if they don't like Timothy Zahn. I personally think the Thrawn trilogy, while an interesting idea, was terribly written--I couldn't stand it. Same with Michael Stackpole's X-wing novels. But I really loved Courtship of Princess Leia, the Darth Bane Trilogy, Plagueis, Dooku Jedi Lost, the Clone Commando books, etc.
Best advice I can give, is get yourself an e-reader and download whatever free samples you can find online. If something piques your interest, go with that.
I would add Shadows of the Empire as essential reading. It fleshed out Luke and Vader a lot. Also, the Coruscant Nights trilogy for prequel fans.
#AskAck What is your opinion on the more fantasy side of Star Wars? Everyone always says Star Wars is sci-fi, but in my opinion it’s just as much fantasy.
Good night
I know you probably don't care about what bungie is doing but will you ever do a video on the classic marathon series?
Hey, I just like to say I love the videos and would be great to have some on hell divers 2.
This is my first time being first
Can you talk about your favorite character with no backstory and why is it Coleman Trebor?
I see that thumbnail 😏😩
The Expanded Universe was the continuation of Star Wars done RIGHT.
Even now, I keep going back to the old Legends stories..
But Disney's version? Apart from the stuff Favreau's involved with and the Andor series, I'm barely interested in any of it..
There was a time I watched and read EVERYTHING Star Wars, back before the Kennedy era..
On the plus side, I've saved a LOT of money since the sequel trilogy came out..
Legends is and always has been better in every way
Legends forrever
are the star wars emperial crew dogs made of ramen?
Star Wars legends was LEGENDARY
Destroying it was the worst decision Disney ever made, all they had to do was just copy and paste legends material and make good shows and movies from legends. It was already there laid out for them. IT WAS PERFECT
Re. books, do you like Aftermath?
#ask ecks how do people not more easily get away with murder in star wars? They could just zip around and swap ships and fly across the galaxy