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Oh no!!! We're going after Islam now, eh? Makes sense, I guess. But guys, guys... Take a breather already, eh? This deconstructionism religion you got going on here, is running at breakneck speeds. LOL
@@exzoro8193 attributing monotheism to Christianisation is weird. especially when also polytheism clearly exists alongside Christians & Jews since about 2nd century up until the advent of Islam
It sounds like the "Moon splitting" story is much older than islam, which is interesting. We've got the Koh-i-Noor diamond (not me, personally, sadly) which means "Mountain of Light". There's also the Daria-i-Noor, Sea of Light (or Ocean of Light).
I'm so so glad you got Dr Jallad on the show Derek. I'm always keeping an eye out for updates from him. His work is is one my very favorite topics out there. He's on the leading edge of this field. Onward Dr. Jallad! Thank you both 🙏 Best wishes
Finally Derek. You manage to get Dr Al Jallad on board. He is always a great story teller and extremely engaging. I could listen to him for days. His research shows that during the Muhammad’s time, Arabia was monotheistic. Thank you 🙏
@@Days6281 "Wow, thanks a million, man! You totally made my week 😬😬😬-like no one is watching my videos. My clickbait game is strong, but no traction whatsoever. Which gem I dropped is your favourite ? 1. '5th Century Arabia: No Pagans Allowed-Christians Were Basically Muslims Before It Was Cool' 2. 'Plot Twist: Malik Marwan Invented Islam to Flex His Empire' 3. 'Gospel Remix: How Malik Marwan Turned the Syriac Hits into the Quran' 4. 'Malik Marwan: Needed a Moses, so Mohammad -Voila!'"
Omg Professor Al-Jallad ! This was an exhilarating piece. His enthusiasm is infectious. Please have him come back and do more. The easiest 2 hours spent.
The Quranic Corpus was originally a collection of myths and legends that Syriac Aramaic Christians used as lectionaries for their prayers and kept in their churches it was part of their sub-sect of Christianity's most important texts and they were also seen as a heretical sect because they rejected the trinity. The Quranic corpus has evolved from a collection of hymns and prayers that were used by Syriac Aramaic-speaking Christians to the Quranic corpus we know today.
@@DomainofKnowlegdia I hope we can find the some preserved text of a Surah like Fatiha buried in with other Christian writings to prove this. The new research seems to suggest that there is a continuum of Arabic pious language from paleoarabic (not Syriac-Aramaic) into the Quran. However, opening Surah definitely seems like it, later verses have a very different theme and style.
Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect on his scrotum. Sahih al-Bukhari 278
@@ahmedisl8 CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CULT AND ISLAM? DO YOU KNOW WHAT CULT DO WHEN SOMEONE LEFT IT? 1< ILL WHOEVER LEFT IT. I WANT TO KNOW THE DIFFRENCE, 1
@@ahmedisl8 Do you know what cult do when somebody left it? l< i L L whoever left it. Can you tell me the difference between 1slam and cult after reading Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059, Sunan an-Nasa'i 4063, Sunan an-Nasa'i 4064, Sunan an-Nasa'i 4060, *Sahih al-Bukhari* 6922..... hadiths?
It is so refreshing to listen to Dr Al-Jallad as he speaks without a preset/biased theological filter when so much research of pre-Islamic Arabia is seen either through an Islamic, Christian or Jewish prejudice/mindset. I wish him well for his future research
This was so much fun. Really neat to get to see some actual hands-on archaeology, and some fascinating insights into the formation of the beliefs in this region!
Excellent! Well done Derek and Dr: Al-Jallad Regarding the story of the Bedouins in Jordan (12:40). In Tunisia we still have a tradition that exist since thousands of years. During drought periods, little kids take a stick (shape of a cross) and dress it up as a woman and then, they go around houses singing the same song ‘Ommek Tanboo E Shahloula etc’. In short, they are asking for rain. In return, the locals give them vegetables and other ingredients and at the end all people gather around and cook a large meal that is sufficient for the whole village. In most cases they cook ‘Couscous’. They do this all-over rural Tunisia. Some regions call it Ommek Tanbou or Tambou/Mother Tanbou or Tambou and other regions call it Ommek Tangou/Mother Tangou. Some historians, relate this practice and tradition to the Carthaginian Goddess ‘Tanit’. Tunisia=Tunis=Tanit according to some historians Carthaginian ‘Tanit’= Phoenician ‘Astarte’= Canaanite ‘Anat’= Egyptian ‘Neith’= Greek ‘Athena’= Roman ‘Minerva’ Tunisia also, is home to the well-known Banu Hilal tribe (they still exist, especially in coastal Tunisia). They immigrated from from Egypt in the 10th century but their original/home land is central and North Arabia. The same area that Dr Al-Jallad is talking about. (Banu Hilal are a very enigmatic tribe). Another Tunisian tradition that is practiced by some Tunisians of Hilalian origin is called Ammek/3ammek 'Ouf/3ouf (Uncle 'Ouf), although I heard other people call it Ommek 'Ouf/ Mother 'Ouf. They collect woods and create a bonfire, then they start singing and jumping over it and other rituals. It is very fun. By the way Derek, Tunisia is home to Carthage and the famous ‘Doctrina Jacobi’ as well Theologians (Tertullian, St Cyprian, St Augustine), Popes (Miltiades, Pope Victor I and Pope Gelasius) and Martyrs (Perpetua and Felicitas). The ones who created Christianity hahaha. Also, the Tunisian Pope Gelasius is the one responsible for ‘St Valentines day’ and his tribe ‘Jlas/Zlas’ still exist in rural central Tunisia. Also, Africa is the old name of Tunisia only (Plus Eastern Algeria and Western Libya) with the same people since antiquity (more or less). Mediterranean North African/Middle Eastern type of people. Just after the fall of the Hafsid Dynasty (16 century/Tunisia) that the name Africa applied to the rest of the continent. In the past and in historical context, only Tunisia and Tunisians were known as Africa and Africans since antiquity up until the 16th century.
One thing to consider, is that Phoenicia is Canaan, at least Canaan during Roman centuries, and Israel was part of it. Phoenicians, Chaldeans, Hebrews, etc all are Levantine Semites in origin, while also sharing a very, very, very old common place of start with the rest of Semites, like Mesopotamians, Afrosemites (like some Egyptians, Ethiopians, etc), Levantine (Mediterranean) Semites, Eastern Semites (Arabs et al), and etc. So it's really easy how closely related those deities are, since not only they were neighbours, but cultural relatives. You say that Minerva is also Astoret, right? Is it syncretism in the way that Osiris was added to the Roman Pantheon, or like when the Romans considered Yahweh as Bacchus/Dionyssius.
@@definitivamenteno-malo7919 Probably yes! One true fact though, that Europeans insist on the Greco-Roman influence only on their culture but ignore, The Phoenician, The Carthaginian, The Egyptian, The Arabs, The North African Moors/Moriscos, The Anatolian and the Near East civilisations impact on their culture which is a big mistake which lead to ignorance
@@TunisianPatriotCarthaginian When the Germans occupied Tunisia during World War II -Irwin Rommel and all that -they did make a bit of a fuss about the fact that their ancient Germanic "cousins" the Vandals had had a kingdom there once.
Please have more of Dr. Ahmad Al-Jallad and his photographs on your show. I loved this. I loved hearing his stories. I have read quite a bit of his work already and it is fascinating.
Great stuff, man. Dr. Al-Jallad is clearly very passionate about his work. That is great to see. And you did very well in the conversation. I learned a lot. Keep it up!
Love this episode Derek. A Middle Eastern and I always look for ancient Middle Eastern history but it's hard to find anything about the ancient arabs. This is amazing stuff.
Perhaps Derek is trying to get Dr. Mohammed Maraqten, who has knowledge of the history of the Arabic alphabet and the history of Arabic languages due to his specialization in archaeology.
@@Backstabber_03 Would it bother you if your information was wrong and there was material and historical evidence confirming the ancient history of the city of Mecca?
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص were is it, if these present day Mecca was such a historical city why it isn't on any map, why no travelers even wrote about it, of these Saudi Arabia Mecca, these current Mecca is later inventions during abbasid era
You caught me as soon as you said you've been doing field work in Jordan! My ex-husband is from Jordan, though last I heard he lives in the UAE with his fourth wife. He's fully Islamic, and if he and the Prophet were in the same timeline, they would be seated at the same table at a family reunion. I'm thrilled to learn more about his world--and relieved that I am no longer involved.
@user-kj8yl6sn2z , he found me 10 years after our divorce. He called me from Dubai, told me he had just gotten his third divorce and was looking for his fourth wife, and invited me to go visit him in the same breath. I was happy to hear from him because I never stopped loving him, and since he invited me on Facebook, I feel fine knowing that he found his fourth wife and they seem happy. I'm happy with my partner, and neither of us would have been happy if I had not agreed to that divorce, so everything I've said is more positive than not.
al-Jallad is amazing as always. Umm al-Ġayl seems related to ASA word ġyl (canal, stream), also Yemen Arabic. on "Sitr" funeral tent, it is practiced in northern Yemen, albeit for another reason (guarding the deceased's body for several days, not to be stolen by a superstitious creature called al-Ḥamal)
Thank you for this amazing conversation. Such pleasure. I want to compliment the host Derek on his intoxicating curiosity and openness. I haven't followed this podcast except for one episode where it felt like Derek was too eager to confirm an idea he had. It was a great episode nevertheless. Here I felt he was great. I'll check out more episodes. I agree with other commentators that we want to see more of Dr Jallad's work.
Stavrakapoulou was IMO your best interview. NOT ANYMORE. WOW, Ahmad was a terrific guest. Pre-Islamic Arabia is fascinating as it’s the Wild West currently. YOU were on fire with great questions. And despite the fact that you couldn’t pronounce his name, you and Ahmad worked REALLY well together. Felt like you were dialed into the same frequency for almost 2 hours. Well done bro 👊🏼😎
Ahmad is too enthusiastic to talk about his research. Hopefully new videos will come from him and we would learn more about pre Islamic religion and Islam itself.
@@rogeralenoku7263 ancient Arabian paganism, there wasn’t a name for it as back in the day you just worshipped your deity of choice without dogma. But even if they did make it we wouldn’t know as the Islamic “revolutionaries” destroyed almost all antiquities and tablets/statues and temples to most if not all ancient Arabian pagan religions. My parents worshipped back in their home land in secret underground, now that we are in the United States we are free to worship freely. There are many pagans in all of the Middle East, they are all in hiding especially in Saudi and Iran.
"I am a devote to manat and her sisters. We know almost nothing about these goddesses and am super exited to see all the discoveries..." you know nothing about what you worship? Then what is your reason for worshipping them?
Amazing! Enjoyed the stories from the field. And so pleased that this work is going on and leading to insights. I hope more and more people take up these surveys and studies.
I've been reading actual scholarly articles for ten years on the origins of Islam and it is no surprise to me that the Standard Islamic Narrative is bogus. But it always comes as a shock to those raised in this cultural narrative.
❤Wonderful addition to the video list. Although enlightening, the unsurprising presence of a developed, henotheistic/monotheistic past predating a famous religion pops up once again.
This is very hopeful. Dismayed about the modern vandalism, but pleased that scholars are allowed to go into these areas and uncover these ancient sites. Peoples deserve to know their past. Europe went through this phase about 600 years ago - it's called a Renaissance.
For Muslims, the advent of Islam in Asia in the 7th century was in fact a renaissance. Just like the European Christians call the era just before the Renaissance "The Dark Ages", Muslims call the era just before Islam, "The Age of Ignorance". The age of Islam for Muslims is the age of enlightenment. So in a way, the Asian Muslims had their renaissance 600 years before the European Christians did. And if we were to assume the Asian Muslims are again going through a renaissance, then this would be their second renaissance.
@@stevesmith4901 Yes, I did notice that both Christianity and Islam both had their "honeymoon" periods for a few hundred years before they started culling the scholars and burning schools. I hope and pray that the bright times come again in West Asia. 🙏🏾
Ahmad's discoveries bring us closer to understanding the origins of religion, is this case Islam. The significance of these discoveries is that Ahmad is looking at physical evidence as opposed to later textual information. I am convinced that all religions originated from an ancient cosmology, I call a cosmo-terrestial worldview. The location of the rocks on which the inscriptions were made and structures like the rectangle looked at in relation to specific night sky images (see my book The Zodiac in Our Genes) will reveal much more about these inscriptions and structures. The stone rectangle is representative of a celestial rectangular structure, I call the Magic Rectangle, that various ancient cultures intrepresented in extraordinary different ways: plot of land, garden, a bier, empty tomb, Alladin's Magic carpet, a bed, a scroll, a book, to name but a few, all supported by various cosmic dramas. Indeed "bride" and "prince", like ideas expressed regarding the Magic Rectangle, did not carry the contemperory meanings, since these "words" referred were derived from the cosmo-terrestial worldview. These "words", like the example for the "word" tent that Ahmad mentioned, etymologically rendered in a restricted manner in our dictionaries, since we do understand the real origins of such "words". It is better to think of such words seeking to convey a range of narrative expressions, a shorthand for complex cosmo-terrestial narratives.
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص Both are good to know. Being able trace the evolution of myths and cultures that led up to Islam's mish mash lore would be absolutely fascinating. Based on what I know it sounds like they took the believe any of them approach with deities even including monotheistic ones and that they weren't organized or large enough to waste time on religious struggles when the environment was already so harsh. I'd delighted to know why they even chose Mecca as a place to worship given its odd location and what other similarities it held with the other "Kaabah"s in the region.
@@dreadnaught2406 You have gone far, as an exclusive information for you, there are real scholars in Mecca and Medina and there are discoveries of inscriptions and historical writings that have added credibility and new additions to the historical narrative.
Derek & Dr Jallad, it may surprise you, as much as I was astonished to realise that the story that Dr Jallad told of the rituals that the grandparents of the tribal chief in Jordan used to do to request rain, may have its roots or ‘influences’ outside of the arab countries too! I am British but I was raised in Pakistan until the age of 9.. My family are owners of a very large village whos original inhabitants have been there many many generations before my family became the “Khans” of the land and the inhabitants began earning their wage working for us centuries ago. As a kid aged around 5 or 6, I very clearly remember I was staying in the village house and it was a very very hot and humid summers day and we had not had rain for about 2 weeks effecting humans, crop as well as animals and children so everyone was hoping and praying for the rains to come so the heat can decrease a little. So that day, a few of the children of my nanny and “servant” (as they were called then) brought out a wooden ladle, drew eyes, hair but coloured the face black. She was dressed in a red glittery fancy dress. Another kid had another ladle representing a male. They went around the whole village pouring small amounts of water on people whilst singing “The ladles face is scorched black from the heat, the ladle demands rain”.. It was to ‘fool’ the rain god that the goddess is getting married but without rain her beauty is burning so it must rain or she will become angry… so the message needed to be loud and clear hence as they went around the village singing the song, others joined in so eventually it became a large group of people singing for rain on the “wedding day” of this ‘important’ female deity.. which in turn symbolised that ‘her’ people also want the same thing and so are joined together as one voice for rain to be sent.. What I still find shocking is that I actually remember that about 30 minutes of this ritual, it actually started to heavily rain. Whats also interesting is that everyone participating in the “ritual” for rain were kids (including me) and everyone participating, including me were devout muslims and the ritual was not done because there was belief in its effectiveness but rather as as a bit of fun for and by the village kids to endure the heat, I thought until today that it was just a silly game that THEY had created to make the day a bit of a fun activity. But seeing how similar it is to Dr Jallad’s story, it is clear, those figures represent somebody widely worshipped or known about at some point even after Islam and in many parts of asia.
this must be a renaissance of true scholars. Ahmad, sort of analyzes like Dr. Hillman. it's not what the text says it's what it means. this kind of thinking needs to spread.
Whoa, this guy is awesome. Thank you so much for this interview. I grew up a devout Muslim so this stuff is just mind blowing to me. Very interesting and exciting
From the names we can tell what some people of Mecca believed. The name عبد الشمس means the servant of the sun. It seems the name involves some worship of the sun. The prophet Muhammad changed his name to Aburrahmen. One uncle of prophet Muhammad was named عبد العزة which means servant of aluzza which is some kind of deity.
Amazing Dr Ahmad--very good call to get him on the podcast. just my 2 cents. Since peninsular Arabia was connected with ancient India via trade routes both sea and land....it is logical that lots of Indian words got used and mixed into Arabic vocabulary. 'Stir' in Indian context would mean stationary or place of rest or implying location, position, or motion of something relative to its surrounding. The 'Stri' can be a regional juxtaposition of few vowels based on culture for a tent above or around the place of rest of the deceased individual. Just like the various Afganistan, Kazakstan, Krygistan, Turkministan, Pakistan, etc.....the 'Stan' of Sanskrit means place or location or area....for land, area or place of the Ava huns (Afgans) (Ava-Horse breeders Hun-a particular designated tribe named in Indian literature, Turkm--from Tushara tribes mentioned in Indian literature, Krgy from ancient names of Kruru and Madra tribes, etc...)
Ptah is the only tah. So then ancient Egyptians were monotheist. Including with Aten. Yet even Buddha stories are set with the Buddha correcting the desperately oppressive/excusatory monotheists. Even Tengri is “the Creator, deserving of highest worship/honor.” All fascist manipulative tactics since polytheism is just as stupid yet more confusing and only useful to trick different conquered tribes into unity through pretend divine family bonds.
@@everyzan-m2q Your words are not accurate. Historical narratives mention that Amr ibn Luhay , the master of Mecca, was the one who brought idols to the Arabian Peninsula and brought them from the Levant, and he was the first to change the religion of the Prophet Abraham in the Arabian Peninsula, which was based on the monotheism of Allah (Islamic monotheism). The Prophet Muhammad told us that Amr ibn Luhay is tormented in Hell. Islamic scholars say that Amr ibn Luhay was the first to bring idols from the Levant to Mecca. Therefore, the discoveries are consistent with what we believe in the Islamic narrative.
Why do you assume that? Political and Islamic leaders would certainly support this to further explore their history. For information, archaeological writings and inscriptions added credibility to Islamic books and also supported them with new information.
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص I'm not assuming anything, just wondering. I'm familiar with the resistance of Christian leaders to new knowledge which might affect their theology and wonder if there might be some Muslim leaders with the same mind-set.
It is hilarous that Atheist and non muslim think Islam is based on blind faith when there are 20 corpus dedicated for hadiths alone that neither other Abrahamic faiths nor any non Abrahamic faiths had. This Corpus is based on deep research and study of Islamic medieval schoolar. What else do you want Muslim to do oh Kafiruun ? Our schoolars have done a great job compared to any other of your religious schoolar. You don't even know who wrote your own Bible which a shamefull. Your story of Caesar is only a myth if it goes to be tested under science of hadith.
@@harlanlang6556 Muslims are not like church leaders: believe and remain silent. On the contrary, we believe in dialogue, discussion, and questions to reach the truth. Watch Sheikh Othman bin Al-Farouk’s channel and you will find many people embracing Islam with evidence and evidence, not by saying that Muhammad loves you and you must believe in Muhammad as Christians do, but rather we present our arguments and proofs that Muhammad was a prophet.
historical research (and also common sense) proves that the city of Mecca could not have existed as a large commercial caravan city in the 7th century. Main reasons for this fact are: 1) Mecca is not an oasis, so there is no surface water (only a well, known as zamzam which is clearly unsufficient and inappropriate for watering many caravan camels) 2) Mecca is not shown on any map or any document at that time or even previously 3) Mecca is located down of Hidjaz plateau and could therefore not be located on the caravan route which is located more than 1000 m above on the plateau (eg the city of Taeef is located at an altitude of ca 2000 m while Mecca is at 300 m) 4) there were no archeological remains or artefacts (coins, potteries, ruins, bones etc) discovered in Mecca dating from before circa year 700 It is impossible that a large city would leave no trace at all of its past 5) no agriculture whatsoever is possible in this wild rocky desert location, how could a large city survive in such hostile environment ?
I see you have been watching a certain conspiracy theorist rather than experts on this subject. Mecca itself was almost certainly not a city as we know it - ie did not have a vast settled population at that precise place. However, it may well have existed. All of the points you list are factually inaccurate of misleading. 1) plenty of ground and surface water in the area - it's called wadi Fatima. Seasonal and permanent streams ran in that area above and below ground. Plus you could sink a well anywhere and have water. 2) The map is a redherring issue too long for me to explain here. Ptolemy's geography shows lots of settlements in the region, even if it doesn't conclusively show Mecca. 3) Look at a better map! You need once showing altitude. The 2 separate mountain ranges end, and there is a valley between them. There is no way to continue traveling north from Taif at that high altitude. A traveler had to come down to lower ground. Then, they may not have continued directly north due to active volcanoes noth of Mecca (again, look at Google Earth - zoom in). it appears routes went west of Taif probably because the open plain offered plentiful water (dig a hole anywhere), safety due to visibility, and many existing settlements. 4) Not true. 5) This statement is so wrong and ignorant - it isn't the moon or Mars!. You could, for example, read about the field work of Motoko Katakura living with people who lived in that area in the 1960s. This would be just a starting place.
Saw a doc on the movement of the relocation of Mecca based partially on the change of the direction of the direction of the designated peayer wall uin mosques near Petra Jorden
Love ya❤ but it's funny that the thumbnail exclaims "pre-islamic writing.....! , as if finding something only 1500 yrs old is amazing! Lol. Keep up the good work, bro!❤I LOVE this channel!😊
Knowing Hebrew really opens up this dialogue. If I knew Arabic it would be even better, but it seems like Safietic (Sp.?) Was related to both, which both are semetic languages...
This idea of *sitr* is not far removed from modern reality like in Azerbaijan for example they still *always* put tents when someone dies and they have a ritual feast to mourn the dead; that may've been influcenced by the near east tradition
Mentioning Allah doesn't mean necessary that the writer was monotheistic. That indicates only that Allah was worshipped as an important deity, but not the unique divinity, if we consider the writers' names like Abd Shams or Abd al-Uzza. There are no terms like wahid or ahad, for instance.
İt's not only that Allah is mentioned, but the rest of the language being used - "Rab" meaning lord (Judeo christian influence); asking for forgiveness (Judeo christian influence); the opening "bismikAllah Huma" (a pre-islamic forerunner to the later bismillah in the Islamic period). All of these factors make these paleo-arabic inscriptions VERY distinct from the polytheistic inscriptions seen prior.
@@albionblue123it is not “a pagan God” it is a general term is directly equivalent to ‘God’ it has not particular characteristics and can be used in a monotheistic or as part of a pantheon.
For the non Arabic speakers, Saint Murad will soon release his translation of the Koran which according to him is the most literal English translation to date.
Because we should always go to the haters for truth? Whenever I wan’t to know the truth about science, I check in with flat earthers first. Those guys really know what’s up
I am very curious to hear the opinion of the professor about the fact that the Quran affirms that it is not an original message but rather part of an ancient tradition of monotheism taught by preceding prophets and nations.
Jesus and Moses are referred to as "Muslims" in the Quran, meaning that they had submitted to the will of God. Muslims are not just the followers of Muhammed, but are seen as those who submit to the will of God. So this would include all people of all religions who truly submit to the Will of God. Sounds very universal.
@@harlanlang6556 Problem is that all the prophets and messengers mentioned with the possible exception of one or two (Idris)? are taken from the biblical sources - if Islam had been truly universal we would have obtained information even if rudimentary of the messengers sent to all the other worldwide cultures - the Indians, Chinese, European, Australian aboriginal, japanese, Mongol and indeed New World civilizations.
@@harlanlang6556 Sounds very syncretic and appropriated(stolen). Nothing new that the Romans didn't do, like Bacchus Iudaeus. Is Egyptian ancient monotheism also Islam?
An amazing interview , both of you did an amazing job discussing such a tough topic I wish you could contact Christof Luxenburgh, he has a channel and he responds to comments
I don't think that STR (ستر) refers to a tent, but rather to a wall or a stone circle around the grave. Walls are still seen as hiding what's behind them, or infering honoring/respecting what's behind them (which is another meaning of the term still used today). I also believe that 3RS (عرس) should be read in Northwestern Semitic 3RŠ (عرش), referring to a "Throne", maybe sitting on a throne, thus confirming Dr. Ahmad's reference to nobility.
Is this your new studio already?... I was not able to watch these last weeks. 😅 Now, I am back, and have so many nice content to keep up with ;) Best wishes from Germany 🇩🇪 😊
wow, to say islam does not rip off judaism/christianity because of some common narratives is completely missing the point. islam rips off christianity/judaism because islam clearly proclaims that it OWNS the massage and narrative that used to belong to the prophets of Israel and to jesus and that it, islam, now is the authority over that message.
I agree for the miat part but he did say that some is from Christianty and Judaism but I believe his point was there are some traditions and meanings and understanding from the local paganism into Islam. I do find interesting the Paleo Arabic inscription about Seeking Forgivness from God, Your Lord. Yes they used the word Allah for God, that doesnt mean its not a Christian inscription in my opinion..
@J1WE I have not yet watched. Your comment says, "Yes, they used the word Allaah < Al-İlaah = The God, for God..." Then what's the Christian God linguistically?
I'm guessing you have not watched many of the Mythvision interviews. Watch more of the scholars, and you will learn that Christians and Jews didn't have a special claim on religious knowledge. Instead, they appropriated and twisted the common religious themes of the area-from Babylonians, Egyptians, and Greeks. Although Christians and Jews existed in pre-Islamic Arabia, the Arabs also had a long history of exposure to those same influences from Egypt and Babylon, irrespective of any connection with Caananites (i.e., Jews).
@@DebPercy not at all. Jews have always kept separate from them. Greco Roman, Egyptians, Sumerians...they believed in polytheism and creation worship. Jews established Yaweh greater than them all. It was Alexander the great that even noticed their methods were different from Greek religious traditions. Its when Constantine realized the movement of Christianity was catching steam and the rejection roman pantheon was increasing...he decided to rebrand Roman pantheon by modifying Christianity to represent a polytheistic approach creating the Roman Catholic Church. Christianity always fought early to be separate to the point they were massacred. If anything Christianity branches from Jewish...but never did they "take" from Greco-Roman customs. I'm getting a phD in Ancient biblical studies myself and these scholars are not telling the whole story and many I disagree with as well many of my colleagues.
Off topic and possibly an impossible request; could you speak with Dr Loganathan? I'd love to see an interview. He connects sumerian to Tamil linguistically. Also he claims the germanic christian translations aren't always accurate. He states that Tamil preserves the original meanings.
Unfortunately I think Dr. Loganathan is no more. His phenomenal work is being continued by Dr. Purushottaman and Rajan menon. We really lost a great opportunity to understand Sumerian language as it was displaying direct connect with ancient Tamils. Western scholars never recognized him as they didnt like this theory
@@jaif7327 have you even read Mr.Loganathan's seminal work ? This is what I mean when I said people don't like the theory that ancient Tamil may be most closely related to Sumerian
I have a question to Dr. AlJallad in regard to a'rs (bride) inscription. You mentioned waael as her Baal, or husband. Could it be waal ibn rabia'a. The arab king whom fought the persians.
All the languages in these ancient world are written right to left. This denotes the Migration Westwards out of Bharat after the Battle of the Ten Kings (RIg Veda). Persian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic (about twelve langages) all are off-shoots of that migration. Bharatiyars (descended of Sudhas the victor in the Battle) maintain the original left to right scripts as they expanded Eastwards.
Adam is just a figure from Jewish mythology same as Noah, Abraham or Moses. There are no evidences that these people ever existed. Arabs learned about these people, prophets and monotheism from Jews who migrated to Arabia. Before that Arabs were polytheists without any knowledge of ''one true God'' and Biblical figures and events.
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Oh no!!! We're going after Islam now, eh? Makes sense, I guess. But guys, guys... Take a breather already, eh? This deconstructionism religion you got going on here, is running at breakneck speeds. LOL
Wonderful to learn more about pre-Islamic Arabian religious and cultural traditions and their interactions with the surrounding communities
The favorite part brought up by Jallad: that Arabia was christianised/judaised (or "monotheised") before the advent of islam.
@@exzoro8193 attributing monotheism to Christianisation is weird. especially when also polytheism clearly exists alongside Christians & Jews since about 2nd century up until the advent of Islam
It sounds like the "Moon splitting" story is much older than islam, which is interesting.
We've got the Koh-i-Noor diamond (not me, personally, sadly) which means "Mountain of Light".
There's also the Daria-i-Noor, Sea of Light (or Ocean of Light).
I highly recommend you get this guy back for another talk or lecture. His enthusiasm is infectious and the material is absolutely fascinating!!!
He's basically the leading researcher in pre Islamic Arabia! Good for you for getting him on the show
I'm so so glad you got Dr Jallad on the show Derek. I'm always keeping an eye out for updates from him. His work is is one my very favorite topics out there. He's on the leading edge of this field. Onward Dr. Jallad! Thank you both 🙏 Best wishes
Do you have any links to more videos on TH-cam you can share please
@@LPRH246he has appeard on Gabriel said Reynolds a few times recently talking about the taif inscriptions.
Finally Derek. You manage to get Dr Al Jallad on board. He is always a great story teller and extremely engaging. I could listen to him for days. His research shows that during the Muhammad’s time, Arabia was monotheistic. Thank you 🙏
"Oh man I love your video, it confirms what I think ... I mean like exactly man. You're the best man." - LOL
@@Days6281 "Wow, thanks a million, man! You totally made my week 😬😬😬-like no one is watching my videos. My clickbait game is strong, but no traction whatsoever. Which gem I dropped is your favourite ?
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@@kamskas6226 Debunked revisionist garbage
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so crazily stoked that the dr is doing an interview here. thanks a lot derek for this one. 💯
Omg Professor Al-Jallad ! This was an exhilarating piece. His enthusiasm is infectious. Please have him come back and do more. The easiest 2 hours spent.
The Quranic Corpus was originally a collection of myths and legends that Syriac Aramaic Christians used as lectionaries for their prayers and kept in their churches it was part of their sub-sect of Christianity's most important texts and they were also seen as a heretical sect because they rejected the trinity. The Quranic corpus has evolved from a collection of hymns and prayers that were used by Syriac Aramaic-speaking Christians to the Quranic corpus we know today.
@@DomainofKnowlegdia so they is loads of textual evidence? Please share this
@@DomainofKnowlegdia I hope we can find the some preserved text of a Surah like Fatiha buried in with other Christian writings to prove this. The new research seems to suggest that there is a continuum of Arabic pious language from paleoarabic (not Syriac-Aramaic) into the Quran. However, opening Surah definitely seems like it, later verses have a very different theme and style.
😂😂keep trying@@momo19991
I'm Muslim and loved this talk! Dr Jallad is such a good story teller and i love his enthusiasm, it's contagious
Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect on his scrotum.
Sahih al-Bukhari 278
DID YOU EVER READ SAHIH HADITHS OR QURAN WITH TRANSLATION BY YOURSELF?
@@Forever2000-p1f Yes i did
@@ahmedisl8
CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CULT AND ISLAM?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT CULT DO WHEN SOMEONE LEFT IT? 1< ILL WHOEVER LEFT IT.
I WANT TO KNOW THE DIFFRENCE, 1
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Do you know what cult do when somebody left it?
l< i L L whoever left it.
Can you tell me the difference between 1slam and cult after reading Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059, Sunan an-Nasa'i 4063, Sunan an-Nasa'i 4064, Sunan an-Nasa'i 4060, *Sahih al-Bukhari* 6922..... hadiths?
Dr. Al-Jallad has such a captivating voice, and this is an incredibly interesting topic. Hope you have him back again.
It is so refreshing to listen to Dr Al-Jallad as he speaks without a preset/biased theological filter when so much research of pre-Islamic Arabia is seen either through an Islamic, Christian or Jewish prejudice/mindset.
I wish him well for his future research
Wow listening to any perspective of Dr. al-Jallad is a real treat ! Such a great mind. Thanks a lot
One of the favorite interviews that you’ve done on the channel. Dr Al-Jallad was so engaging and I loved hearing about his work
This was absolutely fantastic, Today I found Out Dr. Al-Jallad is a spectacular speaker and momentously Charismatic.
I’m…. Obsessed. God. Dr. Al Jallad is living the dream rn.
It's always thrilling to hear Dr. Jallad speak. He comes with so much information about pre-Islam.
I can’t wait for more! This was amazing. The proto script is so beautiful too.
This was so much fun. Really neat to get to see some actual hands-on archaeology, and some fascinating insights into the formation of the beliefs in this region!
That was the quickest 2 hours.... Really enjoyed the journey...
Dr al-Jallad's enthusiasm is captivating
this guests energy and passion is infectious
Excellent! Well done Derek and Dr: Al-Jallad
Regarding the story of the Bedouins in Jordan (12:40). In Tunisia we still have a tradition that exist since thousands of years. During drought periods, little kids take a stick (shape of a cross) and dress it up as a woman and then, they go around houses singing the same song ‘Ommek Tanboo E Shahloula etc’. In short, they are asking for rain.
In return, the locals give them vegetables and other ingredients and at the end all people gather around and cook a large meal that is sufficient for the whole village. In most cases they cook ‘Couscous’.
They do this all-over rural Tunisia. Some regions call it Ommek Tanbou or Tambou/Mother Tanbou or Tambou and other regions call it Ommek Tangou/Mother Tangou.
Some historians, relate this practice and tradition to the Carthaginian Goddess ‘Tanit’.
Tunisia=Tunis=Tanit according to some historians
Carthaginian ‘Tanit’= Phoenician ‘Astarte’= Canaanite ‘Anat’= Egyptian ‘Neith’= Greek ‘Athena’= Roman ‘Minerva’
Tunisia also, is home to the well-known Banu Hilal tribe (they still exist, especially in coastal Tunisia).
They immigrated from from Egypt in the 10th century but their original/home land is central and North Arabia. The same area that Dr Al-Jallad is talking about. (Banu Hilal are a very enigmatic tribe).
Another Tunisian tradition that is practiced by some Tunisians of Hilalian origin is called Ammek/3ammek 'Ouf/3ouf (Uncle 'Ouf), although I heard other people call it Ommek 'Ouf/ Mother 'Ouf. They collect woods and create a bonfire, then they start singing and jumping over it and other rituals. It is very fun.
By the way Derek, Tunisia is home to Carthage and the famous ‘Doctrina Jacobi’ as well Theologians (Tertullian, St Cyprian, St Augustine), Popes (Miltiades, Pope Victor I and Pope Gelasius) and Martyrs (Perpetua and Felicitas). The ones who created Christianity hahaha.
Also, the Tunisian Pope Gelasius is the one responsible for ‘St Valentines day’ and his tribe ‘Jlas/Zlas’ still exist in rural central Tunisia.
Also, Africa is the old name of Tunisia only (Plus Eastern Algeria and Western Libya) with the same people since antiquity (more or less). Mediterranean North African/Middle Eastern type of people.
Just after the fall of the Hafsid Dynasty (16 century/Tunisia) that the name Africa applied to the rest of the continent. In the past and in historical context, only Tunisia and Tunisians were known as Africa and Africans since antiquity up until the 16th century.
How about the Vandal period?
One thing to consider, is that Phoenicia is Canaan, at least Canaan during Roman centuries, and Israel was part of it.
Phoenicians, Chaldeans, Hebrews, etc all are Levantine Semites in origin, while also sharing a very, very, very old common place of start with the rest of Semites, like Mesopotamians, Afrosemites (like some Egyptians, Ethiopians, etc), Levantine (Mediterranean) Semites, Eastern Semites (Arabs et al), and etc.
So it's really easy how closely related those deities are, since not only they were neighbours, but cultural relatives.
You say that Minerva is also Astoret, right? Is it syncretism in the way that Osiris was added to the Roman Pantheon, or like when the Romans considered Yahweh as Bacchus/Dionyssius.
@@kaloarepo288 They were 80 thousand among millions. Eventually they assimilated and fused with the rest of the population
@@definitivamenteno-malo7919 Probably yes! One true fact though, that Europeans insist on the Greco-Roman influence only on their culture but ignore, The Phoenician, The Carthaginian, The Egyptian, The Arabs, The North African Moors/Moriscos, The Anatolian and the Near East civilisations impact on their culture which is a big mistake which lead to ignorance
@@TunisianPatriotCarthaginian When the Germans occupied Tunisia during World War II -Irwin Rommel and all that -they did make a bit of a fuss about the fact that their ancient Germanic "cousins" the Vandals had had a kingdom there once.
He is a real intelectual on his field.
Please have more of Dr. Ahmad Al-Jallad and his photographs on your show. I loved this. I loved hearing his stories. I have read quite a bit of his work already and it is fascinating.
Great stuff, man. Dr. Al-Jallad is clearly very passionate about his work. That is great to see. And you did very well in the conversation. I learned a lot. Keep it up!
Keep up the good work and excellent choice for a guest, as always!
Love this episode Derek. A Middle Eastern and I always look for ancient Middle Eastern history but it's hard to find anything about the ancient arabs. This is amazing stuff.
Perhaps Derek is trying to get Dr. Mohammed Maraqten, who has knowledge of the history of the Arabic alphabet and the history of Arabic languages due to his specialization in archaeology.
Very Interesting video. Pre-Islamic Arabia is an area that needs to be studied and written about more.
Islamic origins on TH-cam have shown true origins of islam
Islamic origins on TH-cam have shown true origins of islam
Mecca in present day Saudi Arabia didn't even existed before 8 century, what kinda of history your interest in
@@Backstabber_03 Would it bother you if your information was wrong and there was material and historical evidence confirming the ancient history of the city of Mecca?
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص were is it, if these present day Mecca was such a historical city why it isn't on any map, why no travelers even wrote about it, of these Saudi Arabia Mecca, these current Mecca is later inventions during abbasid era
You caught me as soon as you said you've been doing field work in Jordan! My ex-husband is from Jordan, though last I heard he lives in the UAE with his fourth wife. He's fully Islamic, and if he and the Prophet were in the same timeline, they would be seated at the same table at a family reunion. I'm thrilled to learn more about his world--and relieved that I am no longer involved.
You may not be his favorite woman, but you still chase him. Really unfortunate
@user-kj8yl6sn2z , he found me 10 years after our divorce. He called me from Dubai, told me he had just gotten his third divorce and was looking for his fourth wife, and invited me to go visit him in the same breath. I was happy to hear from him because I never stopped loving him, and since he invited me on Facebook, I feel fine knowing that he found his fourth wife and they seem happy. I'm happy with my partner, and neither of us would have been happy if I had not agreed to that divorce, so everything I've said is more positive than not.
I bet you could've been his 3rd or 4th wife before divorcing you. AllHamTo Allah
@@TingTong2568, that's irrelevant to the video. Thank you for offering your unsolicited opinions.
Gald you were able to escape from the cult of Islam.
al-Jallad is amazing as always.
Umm al-Ġayl seems related to ASA word ġyl (canal, stream), also Yemen Arabic.
on "Sitr" funeral tent, it is practiced in northern Yemen, albeit for another reason (guarding the deceased's body for several days, not to be stolen by a superstitious creature called al-Ḥamal)
Thank you for this amazing conversation. Such pleasure. I want to compliment the host Derek on his intoxicating curiosity and openness. I haven't followed this podcast except for one episode where it felt like Derek was too eager to confirm an idea he had. It was a great episode nevertheless. Here I felt he was great. I'll check out more episodes. I agree with other commentators that we want to see more of Dr Jallad's work.
Fantastic show! Great analysis and insights from Dr Al-Jallad, and an extremely agile management of the discussion by Derek. Excellent--thanks again!
It’s a joy to listen to him!
Stavrakapoulou was IMO your best interview. NOT ANYMORE. WOW, Ahmad was a terrific guest. Pre-Islamic Arabia is fascinating as it’s the Wild West currently.
YOU were on fire with great questions. And despite the fact that you couldn’t pronounce his name, you and Ahmad worked REALLY well together. Felt like you were dialed into the same frequency for almost 2 hours. Well done bro 👊🏼😎
Allat, Manat and Al Uzza ❤❤❤
Ahmad is too enthusiastic to talk about his research. Hopefully new videos will come from him and we would learn more about pre Islamic religion and Islam itself.
Wow, fascinating! Thanks so much.
Love this! I am a devote to manat and her sisters. We know almost nothing about these goddesses and am super exited to see all the discoveries
What is your religion if you don't mind?
@@rogeralenoku7263 ancient Arabian paganism, there wasn’t a name for it as back in the day you just worshipped your deity of choice without dogma. But even if they did make it we wouldn’t know as the Islamic “revolutionaries” destroyed almost all antiquities and tablets/statues and temples to most if not all ancient Arabian pagan religions. My parents worshipped back in their home land in secret underground, now that we are in the United States we are free to worship freely. There are many pagans in all of the Middle East, they are all in hiding especially in Saudi and Iran.
@@jenathent4840what’s the motivation to worship an idol I don’t get it??
@jenathent4840 😂😂😂 Mad people are still roaming the streets. You think you're smart till your brain falls out.
"I am a devote to manat and her sisters. We know almost nothing about these goddesses and am super exited to see all the discoveries..." you know nothing about what you worship? Then what is your reason for worshipping them?
Amazing! Enjoyed the stories from the field. And so pleased that this work is going on and leading to insights. I hope more and more people take up these surveys and studies.
I've been reading actual scholarly articles for ten years on the origins of Islam and it is no surprise to me that the Standard Islamic Narrative is bogus. But it always comes as a shock to those raised in this cultural narrative.
how is it bogus?
PRE - Islamic Arabia!!
Yussssss!!!!
Now, we're gettin somewhere.
Best move one could make - if TRUTH - re: OUR actual Story - be the end we seek.
"Written evidence says nothing on it's own"
[fire emoticon]
Islamic origins on TH-cam have shown true origins of islam
❤Wonderful addition to the video list. Although enlightening, the unsurprising presence of a developed, henotheistic/monotheistic past predating a famous religion pops up once again.
Thanks, Derek, I'm really looking forward to this. I've always been curious about the pre-Islamic Near East, so I'll probably learn a lot here,
This is very hopeful. Dismayed about the modern vandalism, but pleased that scholars are allowed to go into these areas and uncover these ancient sites. Peoples deserve to know their past. Europe went through this phase about 600 years ago - it's called a Renaissance.
For Muslims, the advent of Islam in Asia in the 7th century was in fact a renaissance. Just like the European Christians call the era just before the Renaissance "The Dark Ages", Muslims call the era just before Islam, "The Age of Ignorance". The age of Islam for Muslims is the age of enlightenment. So in a way, the Asian Muslims had their renaissance 600 years before the European Christians did. And if we were to assume the Asian Muslims are again going through a renaissance, then this would be their second renaissance.
@@stevesmith4901 Yes, I did notice that both Christianity and Islam both had their "honeymoon" periods for a few hundred years before they started culling the scholars and burning schools. I hope and pray that the bright times come again in West Asia. 🙏🏾
Ahmad's discoveries bring us closer to understanding the origins of religion, is this case Islam. The significance of these discoveries is that Ahmad is looking at physical evidence as opposed to later textual information. I am convinced that all religions originated from an ancient cosmology, I call a cosmo-terrestial worldview. The location of the rocks on which the inscriptions were made and structures like the rectangle looked at in relation to specific night sky images (see my book The Zodiac in Our Genes) will reveal much more about these inscriptions and structures. The stone rectangle is representative of a celestial rectangular structure, I call the Magic Rectangle, that various ancient cultures intrepresented in extraordinary different ways: plot of land, garden, a bier, empty tomb, Alladin's Magic carpet, a bed, a scroll, a book, to name but a few, all supported by various cosmic dramas. Indeed "bride" and "prince", like ideas expressed regarding the Magic Rectangle, did not carry the contemperory meanings, since these "words" referred were derived from the cosmo-terrestial worldview. These "words", like the example for the "word" tent that Ahmad mentioned, etymologically rendered in a restricted manner in our dictionaries, since we do understand the real origins of such "words". It is better to think of such words seeking to convey a range of narrative expressions, a shorthand for complex cosmo-terrestial narratives.
😂😂 Evidence you say... the fact that you believe these are evidences is the real problem we have with intelligence.
Fund this guy’s work. What an absolute G
I'm watching this for the second time ! Quel régal !
Does anyone see the correlation between “the mother of the ghouls” and Ashera?
We use in Sudan the word str ستر to mean burring the deads
Excellent stuff! Always love getting more info on the culture of pre-islam arabia.
Do you mean a few years before Islam or ancient times for thousands of years before Islam?
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص Both are good to know. Being able trace the evolution of myths and cultures that led up to Islam's mish mash lore would be absolutely fascinating. Based on what I know it sounds like they took the believe any of them approach with deities even including monotheistic ones and that they weren't organized or large enough to waste time on religious struggles when the environment was already so harsh. I'd delighted to know why they even chose Mecca as a place to worship given its odd location and what other similarities it held with the other "Kaabah"s in the region.
@@dreadnaught2406
You have gone far, as an exclusive information for you, there are real scholars in Mecca and Medina and there are discoveries of inscriptions and historical writings that have added credibility and new additions to the historical narrative.
Derek & Dr Jallad, it may surprise you, as much as I was astonished to realise that the story that Dr Jallad told of the rituals that the grandparents of the tribal chief in Jordan used to do to request rain, may have its roots or ‘influences’ outside of the arab countries too!
I am British but I was raised in Pakistan until the age of 9.. My family are owners of a very large village whos original inhabitants have been there many many generations before my family became the “Khans” of the land and the inhabitants began earning their wage working for us centuries ago.
As a kid aged around 5 or 6, I very clearly remember I was staying in the village house and it was a very very hot and humid summers day and we had not had rain for about 2 weeks effecting humans, crop as well as animals and children so everyone was hoping and praying for the rains to come so the heat can decrease a little.
So that day, a few of the children of my nanny and “servant” (as they were called then) brought out a wooden ladle, drew eyes, hair but coloured the face black. She was dressed in a red glittery fancy dress. Another kid had another ladle representing a male.
They went around the whole village pouring small amounts of water on people whilst singing “The ladles face is scorched black from the heat, the ladle demands rain”..
It was to ‘fool’ the rain god that the goddess is getting married but without rain her beauty is burning so it must rain or she will become angry… so the message needed to be loud and clear hence as they went around the village singing the song, others joined in so eventually it became a large group of people singing for rain on the “wedding day” of this ‘important’ female deity.. which in turn symbolised that ‘her’ people also want the same thing and so are joined together as one voice for rain to be sent..
What I still find shocking is that I actually remember that about 30 minutes of this ritual, it actually started to heavily rain.
Whats also interesting is that everyone participating in the “ritual” for rain were kids (including me) and everyone participating, including me were devout muslims and the ritual was not done because there was belief in its effectiveness but rather as as a bit of fun for and by the village kids to endure the heat,
I thought until today that it was just a silly game that THEY had created to make the day a bit of a fun activity.
But seeing how similar it is to Dr Jallad’s story, it is clear, those figures represent somebody widely worshipped or known about at some point even after Islam and in many parts of asia.
this must be a renaissance of true scholars. Ahmad, sort of analyzes like Dr. Hillman. it's not what the text says it's what it means. this kind of thinking needs to spread.
Love the guest's enthusiasm!
0:39 brb
44:52 brb
done! Looking forward to more videos on Islam!
Could you please bring Ahmad Al Jallad, and Mark Goodacre again in the future? I enjoy listening to them.
Whoa, this guy is awesome. Thank you so much for this interview. I grew up a devout Muslim so this stuff is just mind blowing to me. Very interesting and exciting
Amazing video. Your best so far
I just found this Channel, how interesting!!!
From the names we can tell what some people of Mecca believed. The name عبد الشمس means the servant of the sun. It seems the name involves some worship of the sun. The prophet Muhammad changed his name to Aburrahmen.
One uncle of prophet Muhammad was named عبد العزة which means servant of aluzza which is some kind of deity.
Very deep breakdown! Good job guys
This was incredibly interesting. 5 star video.
Killin it on the count and the content !
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you!
Amazing Dr Ahmad--very good call to get him on the podcast.
just my 2 cents. Since peninsular Arabia was connected with ancient India via trade routes both sea and land....it is logical that lots of Indian words got used and mixed into Arabic vocabulary. 'Stir' in Indian context would mean stationary or place of rest or implying location, position, or motion of something relative to its surrounding. The 'Stri' can be a regional juxtaposition of few vowels based on culture for a tent above or around the place of rest of the deceased individual. Just like the various Afganistan, Kazakstan, Krygistan, Turkministan, Pakistan, etc.....the 'Stan' of Sanskrit means place or location or area....for land, area or place of the Ava huns (Afgans) (Ava-Horse breeders Hun-a particular designated tribe named in Indian literature, Turkm--from Tushara tribes mentioned in Indian literature, Krgy from ancient names of Kruru and Madra tribes, etc...)
Well, that intro animation is torrefying Derek 😂😂
Superb!
coolest and most interesting episode
This is an engaging guest. Clearly, someone who is excited about what he's talking about. This is the kind of teacher or prof you want in every class.
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode!
Thanks for your video!! I learned many things!!
The hadith of the Prophet Muhammad tells us that there were monotheists before he became a prophet and he met them. He called them the hanifah.
Ptah is the only tah. So then ancient Egyptians were monotheist. Including with Aten. Yet even Buddha stories are set with the Buddha correcting the desperately oppressive/excusatory monotheists. Even Tengri is “the Creator, deserving of highest worship/honor.” All fascist manipulative tactics since polytheism is just as stupid yet more confusing and only useful to trick different conquered tribes into unity through pretend divine family bonds.
Probably some retroactive fabricated "narrative" as are basically all Hadith
Few and far between Muslim sources claimed it is mostly polytheist and idol worshippers
@@everyzan-m2q Your words are not accurate. Historical narratives mention that Amr ibn Luhay , the master of Mecca, was the one who brought idols to the Arabian Peninsula and brought them from the Levant, and he was the first to change the religion of the Prophet Abraham in the Arabian Peninsula, which was based on the monotheism of Allah (Islamic monotheism).
The Prophet Muhammad told us that Amr ibn Luhay is tormented in Hell.
Islamic scholars say that Amr ibn Luhay was the first to bring idols from the Levant to Mecca.
Therefore, the discoveries are consistent with what we believe in the Islamic narrative.
the hadith are invention
Very Interesting! I'm wondering if the Muslim leaders of Arabia really want this kind of research.
Depends, on which islamists.
Why do you assume that?
Political and Islamic leaders would certainly support this to further explore their history.
For information, archaeological writings and inscriptions added credibility to Islamic books and also supported them with new information.
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص I'm not assuming anything, just wondering. I'm familiar with the resistance of Christian leaders to new knowledge which might affect their theology and wonder if there might be some Muslim leaders with the same mind-set.
It is hilarous that Atheist and non muslim think Islam is based on blind faith when there are 20 corpus dedicated for hadiths alone that neither other Abrahamic faiths nor any non Abrahamic faiths had. This Corpus is based on deep research and study of Islamic medieval schoolar. What else do you want Muslim to do oh Kafiruun ? Our schoolars have done a great job compared to any other of your religious schoolar. You don't even know who wrote your own Bible which a shamefull. Your story of Caesar is only a myth if it goes to be tested under science of hadith.
@@harlanlang6556 Muslims are not like church leaders: believe and remain silent. On the contrary, we believe in dialogue, discussion, and questions to reach the truth.
Watch Sheikh Othman bin Al-Farouk’s channel and you will find many people embracing Islam with evidence and evidence, not by saying that Muhammad loves you and you must believe in Muhammad as Christians do, but rather we present our arguments and proofs that Muhammad was a prophet.
Thanks Dr Al jallad!!
historical research (and also common sense) proves that the city of Mecca could not have existed as a large commercial caravan city in the 7th century.
Main reasons for this fact are:
1) Mecca is not an oasis, so there is no surface water (only a well, known as zamzam which is clearly unsufficient and inappropriate for watering many caravan camels)
2) Mecca is not shown on any map or any document at that time or even previously
3) Mecca is located down of Hidjaz plateau and could therefore not be located on the caravan route which is located more than 1000 m above on the plateau (eg the city of Taeef is located at an altitude of ca 2000 m while Mecca is at 300 m)
4) there were no archeological remains or artefacts (coins, potteries, ruins, bones etc) discovered in Mecca dating from before circa year 700
It is impossible that a large city would leave no trace at all of its past
5) no agriculture whatsoever is possible in this wild rocky desert location, how could a large city survive in such hostile environment ?
I see you have been watching a certain conspiracy theorist rather than experts on this subject. Mecca itself was almost certainly not a city as we know it - ie did not have a vast settled population at that precise place. However, it may well have existed. All of the points you list are factually inaccurate of misleading.
1) plenty of ground and surface water in the area - it's called wadi Fatima. Seasonal and permanent streams ran in that area above and below ground. Plus you could sink a well anywhere and have water.
2) The map is a redherring issue too long for me to explain here. Ptolemy's geography shows lots of settlements in the region, even if it doesn't conclusively show Mecca.
3) Look at a better map! You need once showing altitude. The 2 separate mountain ranges end, and there is a valley between them. There is no way to continue traveling north from Taif at that high altitude. A traveler had to come down to lower ground.
Then, they may not have continued directly north due to active volcanoes noth of Mecca (again, look at Google Earth - zoom in). it appears routes went west of Taif probably because the open plain offered plentiful water (dig a hole anywhere), safety due to visibility, and many existing settlements.
4) Not true.
5) This statement is so wrong and ignorant - it isn't the moon or Mars!. You could, for example, read about the field work of Motoko Katakura living with people who lived in that area in the 1960s. This would be just a starting place.
Saw a doc on the movement of the relocation of Mecca based partially on the change of the direction of the direction of the designated peayer wall uin mosques near Petra Jorden
Love ya❤ but it's funny that the thumbnail exclaims "pre-islamic writing.....! , as if finding something only 1500 yrs old is amazing! Lol. Keep up the good work, bro!❤I LOVE this channel!😊
Ahmad Al Jallad needs to make a channel and upload on there
What a fascinating speaker, I'd love to hear more and I'll definitely look to getting his books. 🎉
Knowing Hebrew really opens up this dialogue. If I knew Arabic it would be even better, but it seems like Safietic (Sp.?) Was related to both, which both are semetic languages...
May I suggest, the Karajan doesn't have a single origin. It was compiled by Nomads & carried down our trade routes.
This idea of *sitr* is not far removed from modern reality like in Azerbaijan for example they still *always* put tents when someone dies and they have a ritual feast to mourn the dead; that may've been influcenced by the near east tradition
We Are MythVision‼️
Dr. Al-Jallad, "Khalaq" خلق in Arabic is - create, While "Falaq" فلق means - split. @50:50
Excellent conversation. It would be great to get Dr Justin from Esoterica channel
"arabia" is suddenly opening 🥂
Mentioning Allah doesn't mean necessary that the writer was monotheistic. That indicates only that Allah was worshipped as an important deity, but not the unique divinity, if we consider the writers' names like Abd Shams or Abd al-Uzza. There are no terms like wahid or ahad, for instance.
İt's not only that Allah is mentioned, but the rest of the language being used - "Rab" meaning lord (Judeo christian influence); asking for forgiveness (Judeo christian influence); the opening "bismikAllah Huma" (a pre-islamic forerunner to the later bismillah in the Islamic period). All of these factors make these paleo-arabic inscriptions VERY distinct from the polytheistic inscriptions seen prior.
There was a pagan god called Allah they they worshiped alongside other pagan gods. Muhammad dad was named after a pagan god.
@@albionblue123it is not “a pagan God” it is a general term is directly equivalent to ‘God’ it has not particular characteristics and can be used in a monotheistic or as part of a pantheon.
@@lets_wrapitup Wrong. The Islamic God the name Allah has a form he has two right hands a shin.
@@albionblue123 if you watched the video you’d realise the term was in use before Islam, and that he said that it just means “the god”
Amazing info! Can you find anyone doing this sort of work on Buddhism Derek? That would be amazing to hear about also! Cheers😊
For the non Arabic speakers, Saint Murad will soon release his translation of the Koran which according to him is the most literal English translation to date.
Saint Murad ???
@@TohouBohou yep, it's an ex Muslim Arab who goes by that name.
@@TohouBohou has a TH-cam channel by that name, check it out. He has excerpts of some of his translations.
Because we should always go to the haters for truth? Whenever I wan’t to know the truth about science, I check in with flat earthers first. Those guys really know what’s up
@@Kal9222 how do you know he is a hater? I bet you have not even seen his work.
I am very curious to hear the opinion of the professor about the fact that the Quran affirms that it is not an original message but rather part of an ancient tradition of monotheism taught by preceding prophets and nations.
Jesus and Moses are referred to as "Muslims" in the Quran, meaning that they had submitted to the will of God. Muslims are not just the followers of Muhammed, but are seen as those who submit to the will of God. So this would include all people of all religions who truly submit to the Will of God. Sounds very universal.
@@harlanlang6556 Problem is that all the prophets and messengers mentioned with the possible exception of one or two (Idris)? are taken from the biblical sources - if Islam had been truly universal we would have obtained information even if rudimentary of the messengers sent to all the other worldwide cultures - the Indians, Chinese, European, Australian aboriginal, japanese, Mongol and indeed New World civilizations.
@@harlanlang6556The Quran never calls them "Muslims"
@@harlanlang6556so than a anyone who claims to worship One God and not follow Muhamamd is a Muslim? Interesting...
@@harlanlang6556 Sounds very syncretic and appropriated(stolen).
Nothing new that the Romans didn't do, like Bacchus Iudaeus.
Is Egyptian ancient monotheism also Islam?
An amazing interview , both of you did an amazing job discussing such a tough topic
I wish you could contact Christof Luxenburgh, he has a channel and he responds to comments
I don't think that STR (ستر) refers to a tent, but rather to a wall or a stone circle around the grave. Walls are still seen as hiding what's behind them, or infering honoring/respecting what's behind them (which is another meaning of the term still used today). I also believe that 3RS (عرس) should be read in Northwestern Semitic 3RŠ (عرش), referring to a "Throne", maybe sitting on a throne, thus confirming Dr. Ahmad's reference to nobility.
Is this your new studio already?... I was not able to watch these last weeks. 😅
Now, I am back, and have so many nice content to keep up with ;)
Best wishes from Germany 🇩🇪 😊
38:34 We need to preseve these rock inscriptions we need more museums to keep these important materials.
wow, to say islam does not rip off judaism/christianity because of some common narratives is completely missing the point.
islam rips off christianity/judaism because islam clearly proclaims that it OWNS the massage and narrative that used to belong to the prophets of Israel and to jesus and that it, islam, now is the authority over that message.
I agree for the miat part but he did say that some is from Christianty and Judaism but I believe his point was there are some traditions and meanings and understanding from the local paganism into Islam.
I do find interesting the Paleo Arabic inscription about Seeking Forgivness from God, Your Lord.
Yes they used the word Allah for God, that doesnt mean its not a Christian inscription in my opinion..
@J1WE
I have not yet watched.
Your comment says,
"Yes, they used the word Allaah < Al-İlaah = The God, for God..."
Then what's the Christian God linguistically?
@@samantarmaxammadsaciid5156same...Muslims worship Jesus they just don't want to admit it.
I'm guessing you have not watched many of the Mythvision interviews.
Watch more of the scholars, and you will learn that Christians and Jews didn't have a special claim on religious knowledge. Instead, they appropriated and twisted the common religious themes of the area-from Babylonians, Egyptians, and Greeks.
Although Christians and Jews existed in pre-Islamic Arabia, the Arabs also had a long history of exposure to those same influences from Egypt and Babylon, irrespective of any connection with Caananites (i.e., Jews).
@@DebPercy not at all. Jews have always kept separate from them. Greco Roman, Egyptians, Sumerians...they believed in polytheism and creation worship. Jews established Yaweh greater than them all. It was Alexander the great that even noticed their methods were different from Greek religious traditions. Its when Constantine realized the movement of Christianity was catching steam and the rejection roman pantheon was increasing...he decided to rebrand Roman pantheon by modifying Christianity to represent a polytheistic approach creating the Roman Catholic Church. Christianity always fought early to be separate to the point they were massacred. If anything Christianity branches from Jewish...but never did they "take" from Greco-Roman customs. I'm getting a phD in Ancient biblical studies myself and these scholars are not telling the whole story and many I disagree with as well many of my colleagues.
I’m Armenian i remember my grandparent s saying shad arouse ah meaning very rich
Off topic and possibly an impossible request; could you speak with Dr Loganathan? I'd love to see an interview. He connects sumerian to Tamil linguistically. Also he claims the germanic christian translations aren't always accurate. He states that Tamil preserves the original meanings.
Unfortunately I think Dr. Loganathan is no more. His phenomenal work is being continued by Dr. Purushottaman and Rajan menon. We really lost a great opportunity to understand Sumerian language as it was displaying direct connect with ancient Tamils. Western scholars never recognized him as they didnt like this theory
tamil is related to elamite. sumerian is a language isolate and any attempt to connect it to other languages is based off politics
@@jaif7327 have you even read Mr.Loganathan's seminal work ? This is what I mean when I said people don't like the theory that ancient Tamil may be most closely related to Sumerian
@@jaif7327 I can even connect Yazidi ism to the Murugan cult, but I'm not doing that, am I? I understand the need for separate identity
I have a question to Dr. AlJallad in regard to a'rs (bride) inscription. You mentioned waael as her Baal, or husband. Could it be waal ibn rabia'a. The arab king whom fought the persians.
All the languages in these ancient world are written right to left. This denotes the Migration Westwards out of Bharat after the Battle of the Ten Kings (RIg Veda). Persian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic (about twelve langages) all are off-shoots of that migration. Bharatiyars (descended of Sudhas the victor in the Battle) maintain the original left to right scripts as they expanded Eastwards.
@1:02:00 is confirming the islamic tradition that islam is just the continuity of ancient religions started by the first human Adam.
Adam is just a figure from Jewish mythology same as Noah, Abraham or Moses. There are no evidences that these people ever existed. Arabs learned about these people, prophets and monotheism from Jews who migrated to Arabia. Before that Arabs were polytheists without any knowledge of ''one true God'' and Biblical figures and events.
Fascinating!