Morgan Elsbeth Didn't' Design the Tie Defender... Obviously
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- Morgan Elsbeth in another life most likely could've been a Tech CEO, she has all the terrifying characteristics of one.
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I'd never "forgive" Barriss for bombing the Jedi temple, but once someone realizes the error of their ways, and actively works to improve other people's lives in the only way they are able, it's the only real way back to humanity, hope, and redemption. What did these "fans" expect her to do? Commit seppuku? Turn herself over to some government for "justice"? What government would that be? The Empire? The Hutts?
yeah i actually lending her life energy to heal people is an alright punishment or redemption. It actually makes sense in a very poetic way that makes sense with the lore.
She did the wrong thing for the right reason (in many ways good people doing bad things was a product of some of the frogs in Palpatine's boiling pot starting to respond to that and part of what makes him such an evil genius). At the heart of the arc was that just because she did do "Bad things for the right reason" that same misdirected moral compass didn't mean she was itching to become a psychopathic mass murderer for the Empire. And the same moral compass that got her into the mess in the end got her out. A moral compass that Morgan Elsbeth doesn't have and that what makes the two "parallel lives" work as a pair.
Not going to lie, my friends and I where expecting Dark Vader to snap her neck after seeing her... she did start the cause of his downfall.
@@scottn2046 She was really cold blooded and even demonstrated a bit of saddism in that CW episode. She had already been redeemed at her first appearence in tales. Sorry, but there is no paragraph you can do to excuse bad writting. At the very least they don't give a fvck about continuity anymore, which i personally find it even worse.
@@viator_eagle5936 Tusken Raiders: Uuuurk urk UUUURRRG URRK? (Translation= "I'm sorry, what?")
Morgan did design the eye of Sion and has a very unique shuttle. If she’s not a ship designer, she’s friends with a VERY good one
Casually becoming a ship designer among a galaxy wide civilization is super easy, barely an incovenience. OF COURSE several corporations that withold entire systems as assets and that naturally have all the resources and brains from all the empire, that actually had formal education since childhood didn't imagine such a design(specially not a design that is already a trademark from one of said corpos), no. Obviously it was the a refugee witch from a tribal society that didn't even meant to be a engineer, just had a talent just happen in order to seek revenge against someone who is already dead. Really, the only amazing thing amongst all this is how they've maneged to fuck the lore and 2 characters in a singlw scene.
@darkfire4523 from my perspective, she could definitely be. however, i would be hesitant to give her full credit. like a lot things in life, we do not owe our comfort to one singular person (in some instances) but a group of people who work together to get shit done. Morgan comes of as a pragmatic business women with some technical understanding or skill. later in the episode we see her talk to the town about jobs that she promised. it could be very possible that an engineer in town helped develop the project as a way to move forward the town economy. not saying she didn't help develop the project idea, but i would much more believe that she is a simply took the idea and made it louder.
@darkfire4523 true enough but the context here is that Morgan is competing with some of the biggest shipping manufacturers (which amounts to 2 prominent business) and it's very likely that the invention would be taken by someone else and made louder. But your examples are a good reason otherwise
@@merlin5662 Elon Musk had no prior experience in rocket science or engineering in particular as he was previously a software developer in his two first companies, but then he had the idea of going to Mars and wanted to send a mission to inspire humanity to push toward sending people there. His initial idea was just sending a small capsule with a plant in a vat and live stream that plant growing from a seed inside the capsule. He went to Russia to buy old intercontinental ballistic missiles (the kind that deliver nuclear warheads) to adapt and use for his Mars mission, but they tried to scam him out of it money buy giving too big a price. So on his way home he was reading some rocket engineering book and realized it would be cheaper to make his own rocket. From there the ball started rolling and he started SpaceX and hired a small team to help him design the rocket that eventually would pioneer landing the booster as a feature for reusable rockets. The initial idea was not new and NASA had done experiments in the past, but Musk was the first one to take a rocket system to market that had a reusable booster. SpaceX was really just a dozen guys in the beginning when they designed their first rocket.
So if we use that real world example as inspiration we could imagine that Morgan Elsbeth did something similar with designing the TIE defender. The initial concept is not so hard to pull off for her alone, it's all the deep details of the specific components and fitting them all together which is the hard part and would require a team of people to help her out.
Designing a high-performance superiority fighter with shields, warhead carrying capacity, and lots of lasers and ion cannons should be a bit of a no-brainer. Even if you dont know the specifics of every component, you give the specs over to a team of engineers and have them make it work.
Henry Ford said: "The secret to success, is not know all the answers. But knowing who does and hiring them."
To which Stephen Jobs added. "Yes and paying them well enough that they keep working for you until they retire, rich."
You are correct, Morgan Elsbeth did not design the Tie Defender, but she as the correct person to "sell it" to the empire and Admiral Thrawn listened.
But as Jobs did not design the iPhone, when it premiered in 2006, he was the perfect guy to sell it to the world.
He is why I have an Apple ID on multiple devices today.
Yeah I remember the pocket pc still and how terrible it was. Steve understand people not and how to introduce technology to them
Alan the way you are able to take events in these fictional universes and make them into inspiring life lessons for real life is nothing short of brilliant, you are a beautiful soul. Keep on keeping on.
Alan are you ok? I'm 5 minutes into this video and Morgan Elsbeth is yet to be mentioned 😂
The grifting must continue
Don’t worry, he’s okay. This is actually pretty typical for a GT episode.
The words Tangent & Off come to mind😂
His videos are always way longer than they need to be.
@@Enigma75614 But in a good way, unlike many other creators
The original creator of the TIE Defender is Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin. The man was a brilliant officer, but he betrayed the Emperor and tried to kill the guy. Hence why the project got mothballed, and the remaining Defenders were given to TIE pilots who survived 20 combat missions.
In my head canon, Zaarin created the original plans for the Defender, then Morgan and Thrawn came along to improve upon them.
Ahh, Head Canon, what a beautiful place! 😍
True he based it of Chiss designs
@@CapnFlash48 Legends, actually
@@CapnFlash48 not head canon actual canon called Legends, I woudl consider both Demetrius Zaarin or Thrawn the inventor
My brother, Rebels takes place prior to ANH, and Zaarin's story ends immediately before RotJ. The stories are incompatible.
Thrawn had nothing to do with the Defender in Legends. But worry not, he was probably involved with the Missile Boat.
This is by far one of my favorite TH-cam videos I've seen in a long time. You defined what we have been experiencing as a people more and more. Bringing it to a viewpoint I think so many of us don't realize exists and we're living in. Truly fantastic work!!
I love how the videos analyze our current society and wish a lot of people realized what they realize.
Darth Jar Jar is now canon. Time to talk about Legos Generation Tech.
yeah and they get ahmed back for it lol
@@GenerationTech _It wouldn't be right without him._
Generation Technic
>comes to learn about TIE Defenders
>gets a therapy ❤
absolutely best part of generation tech
Bananas wrapped in plastic.... Captain Planet is disappointed.
The banana has a wrapper already!
yeah im in asia right they tend to wrap everything individually its pretty crazy
Obviously Mace Windu is the designer. I mean look at it!
mace windu's starifghter would be in the shape of his bald dome piece
@@GenerationTech It would also be purple
Tri harder.
I mean... it is a bad motherf*cker...🤔
@@GenerationTechmore than agree the Timothy zyawn novel states it is thrawn's design Morgan is not intelligent enough to create a star fighter that useful it was so useful Darth Vader loved it and suggested upgrades to make it easier for standard tie pilots if not for the fuel the fighter it would have served the empire useful
You really released all those philosophical messages you've been saving up on this one. When I clicked on this video I expected a lore breakdown, not thought provoking opinions that get me thinking about biases and the media. 10/10
I'm Happy Barris learned her lesson.
Her little arc was cool. I suppose having been in jail that she had no idea who Vader was. Having crossed sabers with Anakin not long before I thought that was kind of interesting.
People complain about political agendas when they see important characters who are too bland for their role, or who add next to nothing to the movie, like Rey.
There is a difference between "a female character" and "a character who happens to be female".
The opposite of that is someone like Daedra in Andor. I didn't see anyone complain about her. Terrifying performance.
Thats a great point. Instead of using there sx as a tool or a part of there character. Instead of a bonus to thaf character
man i can't wait for andor
I can't tell if you're generalizing people, or if youre specifically complaining about the "rey agenda" or something.
Obviously Daedra has all the characteristics they wanted rey to have. Both agenda characters. One is written well and has a competent director leading her.
And the other is an inexperienced actress, in a bad script, with a shit director.
Pretty clear why one character is a success.
Anyone who is blaming agenda for the sequels has a weird way of saying they were poorly written.
@@NotSoSvenn I don't think it's weird at all. I can speak personally that I didn't even know what it meant to say that something was poorly written until I started writing. When there is an ''agenda'' to a character, what people are saying is that they notice the agenda because the writer doesn't write well enough to make the story anything other than an agenda pushing machine. Now I know that people think the agenda in of itself is the problem but if you don't know as much about writing then the agenda, which is a symptom of the real problem, is the only thing that pops out as being bad.
So obviously people would look at the agenda as being the problem if that's the most obvious problem.
It's like saying a dish has too much salt, or too much sugar, when the problem is that there is no balance between the other ingredients. Even if the latter was in fact the problem and adding salt or something is the real solution you can't blame people for saying that the sugar itself is the problem.
@@NotSoSvennnah daisy ridley and most of the sequel actors are good, they were just working with the worst script ever and trying to make it work
I can't understand why someone wouldn't be behind Bariss' redemption while Vader did much much worse and he was redeemed by sucker-throwing the Emperor down a shaft.
He was redeemed in Luke's eyes but everyone else still hated him
Also Vader knew what he did was evil and even told Luke there was no good in him meanwhile Bariss is call a traitor and murderer to her face and she says not true… yeah a true redeeming person give us a break
@@calebwindham3698 It's not abouit what she says, but what she does. And what she did was reject the dark side and try her best to make amends. That's what a redemption looks like.
@@AlexeiVoronin What she says is what she believes. The fact she does not even still accept that she is a traitor and murderer is concerning. So yes it is about what she says and does. And living in exile to make amends for yourself is not justice that she was serving in that cell. If she truly believed she was wrong she would have stayed in there either saying she is a Jedi because she saw she herself strayed from the path and let Lyn execute her, or told Lyn despite the Republic being no more I was put in here for my actions against more people than just the Jedi. Sorry no it's a bad redemption story she has no consequences for her actions.
@@AlexeiVoronin Also mind you she kills a Jedi for a trial and willingly joins the empire knowing it was wrong. Then proceeds to just stand by and let Lyn destroy a village. This Bariss is just fan service not how legends Bariss is or how she was portrayed as a Jedi before her betrayal. And of course, now she's good I guess her belief in the Jedi losing their way shouldn't be mentioned since what you say no longer means anything. All it is nothing but fan service and poor storytelling. Could have been a true redemption story but the last episode. That's her redemption seriously? I don't buy it not after her comments and her actions to survive willing to kill others just not to die.
I thought in Rebels the Development of the TIE Defender, was under the command of Grand Admiral Thrawn.
Which he kept secret and had production taking place at the Lothal due to the Rebels being there, they halted his plans.
Right? He was even having rough time keeping it funded because it was so expensive.
The Morgan Elsbeth story doesn't have any conflict with the Rebels series. It was her project, the empire mostly rejected the proposal, but Thrawn saw it, liked it, and put it in to production in secret with the intent of proving to the Empire that it was worth the investment. And he was right; it would have crushed the Rebellion chances. However, that plan was scuttled by the Rebels before it could be adopted by the Empire.
Ashoka is my favorite Star was character I have not seen barriss outside of the clone wars. I think she deserved redemption I'm glad to see Ashoka was able to regain a lost friend.
So we're all under the assumption that the friend she was referring to in episode 3 was Ahsoka. She's my favourite character too and now I'm hoping we get to see them reunite. And I don't think Barris is dead yet
@@jembozaba4864 I mean that's what I assumed could be wrong but it's what I want to think until I figure out otherwise.
Another redemption...how original. Wish they were that bold when it came to maintain a character's development consistent.
@@leonardobroza6298 like mal?
@@paintballercali I like maul as the much the next guy, but his ressurection was always something that bothered me and opened a terrible precedent. And he was not redeemed, so i don't see where are you coming from
Another woman to be added to Alan's list would be Milunka Savic of Serbia- who fought in the front lines of the Balkan Wars and WW1
One thing I didn't understand was why clones told her "you're lucky you're not a Jedi anymore" during order 66 and didn't do nothing to her or the other ex Jedi, but when the same point was brought up about Maul and Ahsoka, her entire Venator crew in the 501st was like "lol nah, if u do force, u ded, bro"
Sidious personally ordered Rex to kill Ahsoka and Maul. Also, I think Sidious is given the control chip which allows him to make edits to Order 66. Despite this, the Inquisitors are a huge Filoni retcon.
I still want justice for Commandant Karyn Faro
When I watched the scene where Morgan was showcasing the TIE Defender, I kinda got the vibe that she merely made some changes to the original design, not designed the whole thing herself. Shows her ability to locate problems and inefficiencies and make changes to improve them. She realizes that shielded fighters would greatly improve their performance, and that the twin ion engines were inefficient.
I think.... they should not have made her the Tie Defender architect.
What they should have done is show that she learned how to design machine code as part of her survival in the Empire.
To sort of honor the past accomplishments of women in NASA and elsewhere when they worked on important typing up programs and other things.
If she had become a programmer and was actually writing code for a new imperial assassin droid, or even designing the code for a Tie Fighter with it's own droid brain pilot.
That could have been really cool. Show her intrinsically tied into something that we haven't seen before and show her natural gift for languages and adaptive yet aggressiveness being used to program a pilot droid. Something which women are known to be good at is flying, so showing her being good at programing an AI that controls a Fighter would be clever.
And the best part is the Tie/D is actually a thing in star wars lore that comes out around the Dark Empire times and is linked to the return of the Emperor and the attempt to reconquer the galaxy with limited resources and personel.
It could have been really cool and it would have been a powerful position. That each Tie Droid had a part of her design helping guide them.
Oh well, whatever happens is whatever happens I guess.
She wasn't the architect. She was the program manager. Morgan Elsbeth is a lot of things, but she's not an engineer. Her job was to coordinate the project, and sell the idea; her job was not to actually design and develop the plans for the fighter.
The Tie Defender was created for the Tie Fighter video game in the '90s. It wasn't canon at all until they made it canon in the Rebels series.
@@jaymethysell5111 what i meant is it would have been cool if she had the ability to learn and become an engineer rather then just a spokesmen for a project. Actually being someone that could learn and change and adapt, and showing her transform and become something more would be cool. and then they could have done more with her since then.
They could have shown her being drafted and rescued to help build new programming for the World Devastator project for the Imperial remnant.
@@jaymethysell5111 and i played the tie fighter game and rebel assault 2 with the P38. i liked those games. im not a huge fan of retcons either. but it just would be nice if they actually ... i dont know... everything seems so shallow... just would like more depth.
Funnily enough, Bariss' episodes actually fully changed my opinion on her. I was afraid when Ahsoka had to go on the run, which made me angry when it was revealed Bariss betrayed her, and thus it was hatred that lead me to pray on her downfall. I had forgotten that there was a better way, and Bariss reminded me of that.
Just realized humans are giant meerkats
We are no mere cats!
Luminous beings are we!
This... _comment is too fucking true._ 😔
*Hottake: Timon was a secret menace to society.*
Love your empathy!
10:42 No its because they have less muscles which means less shaking. They naturally rely more on their bone support rather than their muscles like most men who begin shooting do, which results in much better aim & precision.
If you want to try this out, try holding a stick for 5 minutes in the "standing" position, and then put your elbows on a surface and you will see the massive difference. Women know this intuitively.
Interesting thanks for sharing
The Clone Wars representation of characters wasn't just Dave's idea it was just as much so George from beginning to end of the series.
And George never liked to do anything that has already been done either by himself or others. Which is why a lot of characters in the Clone wars are very different from their ledges counterparts. As an artist I love and respect that so much.
Alan nailing it again. Excellent break down. For a guy I've never met, Alan is one of my favorite people on earth. Keep the content coming, it's top notch!
Another awesome content video!! Well said Sir
I really enjoyed what you spoke about such as world views and your opinion on how everyone understands and perceives the world differently. Not everything is always about politics, I hope that some people can try to understand things without the politics and enjoy the entertainment for what it was made for to entertain the people. I was not expecting such a deep conversation, but I very much appreciate that you spoke with your opinions and feelings. You make good points, so thank you! Good work and keep it up!
Allen’s content always has a way of snapping me back from going off the deep end when I dislike something that Disney SW has once again done. This channel is a voice of reason that is all too rare on social media. Thanks Allen.
Always enjoy your videos. You reminded me that I'm not the only person who loves to try to understand people instead of judging them. Thank you
I came on just to watch a Star Wars video and left with a better understanding of the meaning of life lol. Nicely done.
Another thought provoking video. Thanks for the content mate
Once again a very insightful and thoughtful provoking analysis of the human decision-making process. Bravo.
This is a well thought out view on this episode. I've been enjoying your content for years and I do appreciate how you weave relevant cultural takes against the back drop of the SW universe with a thoughtful positive spin. It's refreshing when compared to other SW channels or commentators out there. Keep it up!
Speaking as a woman and as a Thrawn fan, my own issue with the Story Group giving Morgan Elsbeth the backstory of having been the designer, or project manager if you will, of the TIE Defender was that they took that story _away_ from someone else. Even if it hadn't been Thrawn they took it from, I'm sick of the retconning and revisionist history (lore). First of all, take something away from one character to give it to another is just lazy, and all too often I find the SG is _being_ lazy about writing compelling female characters. Just because Morgan is a woman doesn't mean she doesn't deserve someone thinking up a great way for her to meet Thrawn and come under his command. OK, fine, I'm sure Thrawn didn't draw up the designs himself, either. I've never thought that, in fact. But I *do* see him gathering together a group of his best and brightest engineers and telling them that he wants to improve the TIE design and capabilities, giving them a list of his requirements (shields, hyperdrive, etc), and telling them to present their best ideas to him within the next week/month/year/whatever.
In fact, I fully believed that is what he did.
And Thrawn has been the architect of the TIE Defender program forever...all the way back in the duology when they were "clawcraft" instead of TIEs.
But now, just to have an episode to put out about a female villain, the SWSG rifled through the files and decided to take something existing that people were already familiar with to shortcut their way into an expanded backstory for her. It was a cheap and lazy effort, and BOTH characters deserved better.
And the worst part is that I _knew_ it was setting her up to be someone for internet trolls to bash, and they would blame some "agenda" by Disney corporate, "likely from the desk of that bitch Kathleen Kennedy herself," and swear up and down that the agenda was robbing all the male characters of their agency in order to paste it onto female characters. I _knew_ it would cause a backlash. It was unnecessary and easily avoided.
Instead of having Morgan presenting to some random ass board of Imp bureaucrats who had never even thought of improving the TIEs, instead, have her sitting at a table with a bunch of random ass unknown people, with Thrawn (or Pellaeon) coming into the room and thanking all the firms for submitting their proposals. "Several of you were able to incorporate many of my/Admiral Thrawn's requirements into your designs, I see, but only _one_ of you met all the criteria we specified."
[list here all the things that make the ships different; the shields, the hyperdrives, better weaponry, better fuel efficiency, so on and so on]
"I/We thank the rest of you for hard work during these weeks, but I/we have decided that I/we will proceed with the design presented by Morgan Elsbeth."
[Everyone stands and the rest of them file out of the room, some of them grumbling about her "backworlder" roots.]
Then pick up with the same conversation Pellaeon had with her about the changes she made, maybe the name she decided to give to it. "The TIE _Defender."_ she says meaningfully, and we can tell in her face and her eyes how much she wishes such ships had defended her clan. She can still have her convo with Pellaeon about how her designs aren't affordable enough yet, and she is going to have to work on that, and then he wants to know why she wants to contribute to his project, and she can either tell the truth, or she can give the b.s. answer. Either way, she leaves with the warning that unless she can bring the costs down significantly, Thrawn isn't going to use her firm after all.
Cut to Morgan in the shipbuilding facility control room ON CORELLIA (the same one from Ahsoka; it just makes more SENSE...that town in Corvis is much too small to even _staff_ a factory, and there is no evidence of any factories nearby, nor do we see anyone mining any "resources" that make TIEs. So put her on Corellia, at odds with her subordinates because she is driving them too hard and too long to try to give Thrawn what he wants, to make it all work with a smaller budget, and in the meantime the local moff is making vague threats about basically stealing the project from her because it will make him rich or give him prestige or whatever. She sends everyone out in a rage, bitching to herself that they aren't loyal, they aren't "her people" and this isn't "her world." If you still need the Rukh attack, then have him attack here. Either way, it ends the same way the Corvis battle did, with Thrawn and Morgan in convo about greedy bureaucrats weakening the military, and then what is her REAL answer on why she wants to be part of the Empire. She tells him, the ships show up, and he tells her production on the Defenders start next week, and when she says she hasn't improved their affordability, he tells her he knew they never would; he was just testing her resolve to see if she would keep going against impossible odds, because that is the kind of person he needs. "Long live the Empire."
It doesn't remove Thrawn as the grand architect behind the idea of improving the TIEs, and it still gives Morgan agency in being the ONE person who found a way to incorporate all his requirements (except affordability) through creative thinking. It stills shows that Thrawn was the one Imp in the entire Navy to recognize something special in her designs and her resilience, and it provides better context about why she was so driven to bring him back from Peridea, AND to die for him to escape. (It's still not enough to explain that last part, of course, but it's something.)
Save Corvis for episode 3. Corvis is a minor world under her control, and she fled there after the NR swept over Corellia and "drove out all the Imps" (as it seems that they _thought_ they did).
SLIGHT changes in that episode 2 plot would have left the Defender program as something Thrawn dreamed up, but only Morgan could execute it to his satisfaction. It leaves them both with their agency, and the fanboys don't get butt-hurt since they can't argue with Thrawn's opinions.
Dude is the only one who can single handily change my whole perspective on the Star Wars universe. W vid 🔥
This episode is DEEP! Thank you for this.
Mans got so close to saying "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race" in those first few minutes
"Different languages and different sports teams" 😂😂😂
Wait, in the new canon the Singing Mountain Clan are an industrial powerhouse? I miss my old Dathomir with Gethzerion and the Book of Shadows and whatnot
Wow, my husband just introduced me to the dead internet theory and how so much of the internet are bots and how our interactions online are hardly real human connections. So much of what you are talking about here feels tied into all that. It's such a weird time to be alive. Extra weird if you are raising kids. Human connection is so twisted by social media/internet right now.
Generation Tech attempting to tell the story for the writers again
Someone has to
The writers did fine . Not everything is Bluey lol
@@Planag7 The writers suck, dont tell us the earth is cube if we know better.
Very well said.
When it comes to the female sniper, that's true! I was an instructor for bb guns with the kids and one of the things we discussed is that girls will follow orders, while boys will just do it. Not all kids are like that, but instructing them is different. A girl will wait until you explain how to shoot the gun correctly, and then be pretty accurately. A boy will shoot all his rounds then get frustrated that he didn't hit the target, and THEN I tell him how to shoot properly. How to line up the sights and such. So I'm not surprised by the sniper thing.
And I believe the Russians sent both men and women into the army, not just the men. It was controversial at the time, since you're sending your whole population of youth into war, but then again when the young men returned home from the war they were mad the women had their factory jobs. So no one can really win the debate here. Damned if you do, damned if you don't 😅
This video is about this guy's fan-fiction.
In the show Palleon CLEARLY asks how SHE changed some mechanics and she answers without giving credit to ANYONE but herself.
She calls this HER IDEA.
Sorry, bro, but I'm going with the stupid retcon.
The problem with it is that it gets into current social movements, especially those pushed by Disney. I played TIE Fighter, an older game based in SW Legends, where the TIE Defender was first introduced. Zaarin developed the TIE Advanced and later introduced the TIE Defender. Thrawn introduced the Missile Boat to counter the TIE Defender when Zaarin betrayed the Empire. Thrawn was wonderfully depicted as intelligent and smart as a result.
In SW Rebels, Thrawn was established as the creator of the TIE Defender because of its simplicity in storytelling while giving credit to Thrawn for thinking outside the box and being smart in the process. However, Disney has made it more than clear that they wish to make sure women are placed in more "Active" roles. Now, to be fair, there have been real female inventors in the past. However, this episode feels more and more like Disney fiddling and retconning again and again to push their narrative. It even further weakens Thrawn as well.
I don't have a problem with Morgan Elsbeth helping out in the project and being an underling, but when you have a story dealing with a master strategist and tactician, show him as that. Writing smart characters is a reflection of smart writing. SW Rebels tried, to some degree, but little things like this episode can actually degrade his character. Some can even argue that the Ahsoka series severely weakened Thrawn and made him almost look like a moron.
That's a good point, i think the problem is just half measures. Clearly filoni loves the idea of bringing back legends content to canon. But in order to fit it into his own timeline these characters usually experience some pretty big changes. I actually think Thrawn's portrayal makes sense more than some other characters filoni has done this with, but yea if you were a big thrawn fan back in the day I can see how rebels would really piss you off.
Thrawn is a military commander.
He likely contributed the overarching ideas behind the Defender (a more capable TIE that kept casualties down to avoid losses in a war of attrition and deaths sapping morale) and maybe decided it should have shielding and similar specs, but he would be an absolute Marty Stu if he also designed all of the systems himself.
As the comment or above me stated, military commanders rarely design pieces of hardware. Instead they have engineers who do this. Rather, what they do is advocate for and *champion* specific pieces of hardware which they believe will be most effective in the conflict. For example, Admiral Yamamoto was not the one who designed the infamous aircraft used by the IJN, nor the aircraft carrier which would be so effectively used by that force. What he *did do* was advocate for their use.
Searching for, and advocating for the use of a radical new piece of hardware which will improve the chances of victory in any given engagement is a *very* Thrawn thing to do.
@@GenerationTech Actually, I did like SW Rebels portrayl of him (it made Season 3 and 4 amazing too). However, not everyone did and I do understand as to why. The catch is that as the later shows have progressed, there is more and more deviation of his character from Legends that it feels less and less what he would actually do.
@@GenerationTech But Bariss could have been a great reminder that you have to live with your consequences and her denying her actions to better fit her once more is dumb. If she truly was sorry and redeemed she would have fallen back to the Jedi ways and told Lyn as soon as she was given the opportunity to join the inquisitors she is a Jedi too not in reality because the title was stripped from her, but in morals and values and she could have been executed at the beginning because she died and stood for a cause she once believed in again. That's a true redemption not going with the flow killing another person just to survive a trial letting a village be killed by your partner, then continuing to openly deny her actions when fighting a Jedi. And you can't blame Bariss? I'm sorry Bariss' actions were her own she went against the Jedi teachings especially after killing civilians and murdering Letta and her husband. You can blame Bariss for knowing exactly what she did because she admits it on trial not even knowing the punishment that awaits her that could sway her words. Your stance is sketchy because Bariss is around 16- 19 years old from CW and she knew good from evil so no you're wrong you can blame Bariss even a child at this age, especially in a war zone what's good between bad. And What is this about Bariss not having any protection or guidance? She isn't a naive teenager she is a commander of an army Look back through history there have been kid rulers and far younger people who have led people sure they don't have all the knowledge, but that does not mean they are naive. Plus Bariss could have sought help and guidance, look at Anakin even a reckless person and immature, and impulsive person like people call Anakin to be in the movies and he sought guidance from his elder Yoda. We can only assume Bariss did none of this, especially without Luminarra why???? Because she knew what she planed on doing and no Jedi could sway her mind especially even her friend Ahsoka. But no let's call all traitors who's a military commander naive that makes sense. She was basically the safest person in the galaxy that people longed to see or be in the Jedi temple a safe place for talented people, grand warriors who fight to ensure a better future for peace and a wealth of knowledge. No, I guess if your a teenager no matter what you know, no matter if your talented, you're just naive and misunderstood for doing such awful things.
Great video Allen. I gotta ask, what kind of beer are you drinking?
Wait, Disney is pretending Elsbeth made the Tie Advanced V7? Really? What is Darth Kennedy smoking?
I do hope we see Barriss and Lyn return again in a future series, like maybe showing them at some point after the empire, and maybe see her and ahsoka interact again
I also like how you went and explained her redemption, you are on the spot, a youngling being taken since birth to become a peacekeeprer only to then be thrown into a battlefield would shatter ones worldview
I just want to know when the next tales of will come out. We need more of these!
Thanks Alan 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🌷
Come for the Star Wars analysis, stay for the life lessons ❤
I really liked how they fleshed out these to characters. Morgan path of vengeance from the Battle of Dathomir was excellent. She'll do anything for her home world. Barriss is interesting as well. She holds the Jedi in such high regard as peackeepers, that their involvement inb the Clone Wars breaks her. It takes her hitting rock bottom to finally realize there's still a path for redemption for herself by going back to helping others. Both characters go through some truly traumatic events at a young age, but childhood is short in the Star Wars universe. Lots of orphan heroes and villains throughout the cannon.
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The difference between morgan and the women you listed is that they had to give morgan someone else's achievements to make her seem smart. But the others all did what they did with their own skill.
Morgan is a fraud purely because disney couldn't have given her an actual achievement that would have been really cool to see and instead decided to shaft more and more of legends. If they actually knew how to write their own stuff, I wouldn't complain. I sure didn't with omega.
It feels like bad fanfiction. Which sucks because the animation is amazing.
"Why I have a small TH-cam channel"... Lol bro you climbing to a million, I'd say it's alright sized 😂👌🏻
Once again Alan, you present a thoughtful and insightful take on not just Star Wars but the human condition. Well done! 👍🏾
This trio of episodes on Morgan showed me that village asked for it. They just sought her for their own gain but the moment she sets her foot down oh she is the baddie.
Edit: a good video but I am more concerned at how SW authors keep contradicting each other not whenever or not Morgan has the brains to design the ship as we know that she gathered the capabilities to be a great planner. The timeline of Thrawn gets messed up.
lol what are your views on labor disputes ;)
@@GenerationTech from Ashoka I viewed them as victims, from Tales I saw them as instruments to their downfall.
It's evident that these stories being produced today are a reflection of the current political and social climate, as all art is in some capacity. There were a few times in the second season where there was an after-taste of subliminal messaging.
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I was there in 1977 when one of best female characters created, Leia Organa, by George Lucas and to this day one of my best lines in SW" is spoken by her "will someone get this walking carpet out of my way." One of the biggest problems with Disney SW was creating a female character who had no development like Rey, whereas Leia, Padma, Ahsoka and now Omega were developed.
I feel instead of Morgan Elzbeths story a much better character that fans I think love more would have been Bill Burrs sharpshooter character.
Great vid great message. This is what everyone needs to hear. I live SW Theory, been watching him for years, but he's gotten way too deep in the rabbit hole and has lost sight of what starwars is
The only thing about Morgan pitching the TIE defenders I was confused about was that I assumed Thrawn designed them. Then again I never actually watched Rebels, just saw bits and pieces here and there so maybe there was a scene or line of dialogue I missed that explains that. It does make a lot of sense now why Thrawn has so much respect for her; they're like-minded in their ruthless efficiency.
Though it's not just ambition that motivates Morgan. When she tells Thrawn she wants to offer the Empire the strength of her hatred fueled by desire for revenge, I think she meant it. We even see in the Ashoka series after she was dethroned from Corvis, her focus returned 100% to restoring Dathomir. She was even willing to give her life for the promise of the revival of her fallen sisters. So in a way, those "trappings of community" never really died inside her, she just buried them for a couple decades until she came to realize there was no more reason to keep burying them. A very Star Wars message indeed.
Anyone else see the drone fly-by during the discussion about the Tower of Babel?
Oh yes, Alan. Baris Offee floats. We ALL float down here. Join us and you'll float too >:D
Windu says “it is possible to learn this power?”
They float now!? They float now!
0:54 you hit the nail on the head of how opinions should be viewed
Hard Deep talk, something else, I appreciate it
I'm like 5 minutes into this video and Morgan Elsbeth's name has yet to even be said
Well my problems with this they gave no mention of her correlia holdings and for a show called tales of the empire the empire was not the main story
My idea is that Morgan didn't designed ship all by herself. It all was a part of a bigger vision. Let's look at the bigger picture:
Her designing defender led her to Thrawn, which led him to building factory on Lothal, which led to liberation of Lothal, and Ezra's sacrifice, which led to Thrawn's being stranded on Peridia, and making alliance with Nightsisters, which led to Morgan building a Sion, and freeing him and all the Nightsisers of Peridia.
It wouldn't be far to suspect that first part of this giant thread of fate was influenced in her by Great Mothers
I knew it, Alan is finally starting to snap. ;-)
One benefit of Palpatine's Empire was that prominent individuals were forced to work hard and smart in order to climb the ranks. Think Orson Krennic overseeing the creation of the Death Star. Compare that to the technological stagnation of the Republic, where an entrenched culture of nepotism and advancement through social networking brought the entire political and economic system to gridlock.
Don’t idolize the golden calf.
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I never got the impression from the Tales of the Empire that Morgan Elsbeth designed the Tie Defender. She's not an engineer. To me, she was a Program Manager who managed the project and was trying to sell the idea to the Empire. You almost never see the nerds who actually build stuff in the board room with the executives who make the decisions on how to move forward, which is probably why things are so screwed up.
Grand admiral thrawn is the architect designer and engineer of the tide of ender program no one else let me say that again Grand admiral thrawn
What studio ghibli soundtrack did you use in the video?
Who would've thought this video about Morgan Elsbeth would make me feel bad for Elon Musk. Keep up the good work
Bro seriously this video wasn't even about Morgan Elsbeth.
Very Nice
Had the CIS not destroyed the Witches of Dathomir, I think Morgan would eventually have. Her ambition and desire for power could not have been contained by their culture.
The difference between "woke" and "token" characters is simply being well written. Notice how not one single person complained about the all female team up in The Mandalorian
"Love the sinner, hate the sin." I'm not a religious guy, but every religion has at least a couple good ideas, and that's one.
I don't hate Gina Carano, I just disagree with her politics. I think her firing was a mistake, an overreaction on Disney's part.
I don't hate Barris Offee, I hate that she bombed the temple. I can even understand why she did it, even if I don't condone it.
No that's an excuse to hate the person. The "sin" is the excuse. It's pathetic
@@Planag7 That's a pretty twisted view of it...
dude, you are a modern day philosopher. Truly enjoy your views and observations far beyond Star Wars.
When people are upset about these female roles it's less that they dislike the female being strong and much more that she exists to belittle male characters, to be "stronger" than the males, smarter, more ambitious etc. Like Rey, she has no training, but beats Kylo Ren, Kylo trained for years and he is from Skywalker lineage so you can't convince me that he didn't stand a chance. She-Hulk is another example where the strong female has this role that belittles men.
I am a huge Ahsoka stan. She is my favorite part of the clone wars, she was great in Rebels, and I think the Ahsoka series is my second favorite after Andor. That said I love a redemption arc, a real one that takes time and requires sacrifice and Barriss' was great. Especially considering how short those episodes were.
On another note, I am tired of hearing people blame our leaders for division. They do not create the division in our society they just take advantage of them. We can not get better as a public until we stop blaming others for our own faults.
I don't see what the problem is. About 12-15 years passed between Episodes 1 and 2 of Tales of the Empire. The only future for Morgan Elspeth was off-planet. She couldn't have put herself through Imperial engineering school during all that time and become a starship designer (or Imperial business school, if she delegated the projects)? Seems like that would be plenty of time.
100%. There's absolutely no reason she couldn't be the designer. She owned a shipyard and factories, a custom golden starship, she led the construction of the Eye of Scion. We literally see her presenting the plans. Now, it's obviously not a job for one single person, but there's no logical reason within the story to take this accomplishment away from her.
when does the video actually talk about the subject in the title
Health care isn’t a basic. At least not now. And a grenade only was for a reason, but not manly.
Pretty much
Why was Palpatine gonna execute Ashoka for Bariss’ crime but when Bariss confesses she gets a life sentence instead?
What kind of beer is that you've been drinking, Al?
Btw, I love your videos, bud.
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Bro... here to watch a Star Wars video and you dropped some deep shit 90 seconds in. Well done and said.
Regardless of Star Wars, this video was a good one that needs to be shared.
I'm always perplexed by people complaining about the content of a video that they watched voluntarily. It's not like HR forced you to watch it.
Im just sad that with Morgan Elsbeth story we didnt get to see where she got the Mandalorian spear from. its a cool part of her design and i would love to see a story of how she got it.