I love the way the presente rhas a "get with it grandad" attitude. As if having telephone services fail if the internet fails is a good idea. Old landlines work when there's a powercut. The VOIP ones won;t, because they die if your router dies. Want to use a phone in another oom? Well you have to piss about with a cordless because your extension sockets won;t work either - all the joys of linking it to the router, and coping with a signal attenuated to mince by your brick walls. Oh, and most telecare devices (liek fall alarms) won;t work with Vopi either! Upgrade my arse.
You can do what I do and get a UPS to keep power up. As for using a phone in another room, one benefit for VoIP phones for businesses is if you want to move a phone, just move it and plug it in. I've had VoIP for over 15 years. I just plug the "line" into a phone jack and it's available wherever there's a phone jack, just like before.
@@James_Knott So I now have to have a UPS (and keep it charged). I didn;t need one before. But of course, in a power cut, the street cabinet equipment like switches will also die. Unlike the old phone lines, they do not carry their own power. Indeed, major exchanges used to have their own standby generators, because the important of telephones continuing to work in a powercut was recognised. VOIP phones either plug into the phone socket of the router or they are wireless. The point I was making was that for someone elderly, a wireless voip phone isn;t just "plug it in and it works" liek the old handsets. You have to twat about pairing it with the router, including passkeys. Where I live the properties have very thick solid triple brick walls internally as well as the outer wall, because they were built next to a mail railway which carried lots of freight. When my master socket was replaced by BT I could no longer plug my router into an extension socket upstairs. I had to go wireless. The wireless spectrum is (in the words of the engineer who paid several cisits trying to get acceptable speeds) is "absolutely rammed" and there was loads of contention and attenuation.
@@James_Knott _Don't you have a UPS for your computer_ No. _The street boxes have batteries. At least they do in Canada_ They do but they are only goo for brief outages, not an extended but.
It's not hard to set up extensions BUT they no longer interconnect! And no, we were not warned about this at all. In other words, if a member of your family answers the phone in one room, you can no longer pick up the call at another phone. This has caused my husband and me a lot of hassle ...just this alone. Never mind that if the broadband goes down (as it does fairly often) the phones don't work either. DESPITE being told, when I asked, if this would happen. I knew the phones wouldn't work if there was a power cut, but the agent assured me they would work if the router was still 'live.' He said: "As long as the router is flashing colours, even if the broadband isn't working, the phone will work." I don't know if he was deliberately lying, or if he just didn't know ...but no, the router flashing does not mean the phone will work. It doesn't and didn't. Quite frankly, while we're slowly getting used to the new system, it hasn't actually provided anything for us that we wanted, and it has taken away several things we depended on. The thought that we can not phone if the internet isn't working is quite scary. Yes, we can use a smartphone, but that's not the phone we use for our normal calls, and it's NOT the phone number the various companies, banks, services, have for us. So when we encounter automated answering setups, when we phone for help ...hey, ho. They don't recognise us. We share our mobile, like we share our landline. We want people to be able to get hold of either of us. And we also want our service companies and our bank to deal with either of us as well. Frankly, Digital Voice is a right pain in the backside. We've had it now for over a month ...have had it go down twice in that amount of time. And there is nothing we can do but simply wait for it to go back on, and hope that the outage covers a lot of territory, and that it's not just 'us' with the problem. Because, if it is, how do we let people know?
You need it to be a big company open reach is actually the company that manages the network. Any company can use open reaches lines and purchase space BT does that it really should be one big company because otherwise it’s just very hard to have good communications over long distances
I have had BT digital voice for over a year. It's fantastic. I dont really use my landline. But i like to have a cordless phone by my bed, as I refuse to charge or have my mobile 📱 in my bedroom. As I'd never be off it.
How do you get a number for these digital phones? My landline will be cut off soon as we are having full fibre installed and wondered how I get a internet handset to work?
@rebeccaw1274 Depends who your provider is and what package of full fibre youve gone for. If it's full fibre only you wont have a phone line. But if you are going full fibre with phone like for like your old analogue line will be switched off and your service will become Voip. Your number would stay the same. The only difference is that you would then have to plug your phone into the back of your hub/modem. If your BT you can order the Digital voice handsets from BT. They retail at £22.98 each for the basic handset and £44.98 each for the handset with Alexa built in. With BT it's easy to set them up. It's as easy as pressing the WPS button onnthe hub. And register on the handset.
Our provider doesn't give the option to keep a landline , it's full fibre. It's fine really as we use mobile phones , it was more of a backup in case the battery was flat etc. in the US you can have Google voice but it's not available in the UK? Ashame
@@rebeccaw1274 full fibre still gives the possibility of landline as the data can be given over it if your specific provided is not provide landline services you’re going to have to set up an IP phone system and handle some of the set up. It can be quite complex, but it’s mainly copying and paste in configuration.
Is there a video that explains this properly? Will homes no longer have a cable or is it that the existing cable will still carry broadband but not phone signals?
It’s going to be a bit of everything basically they aim to replace all the copper cabling with fibre optic because lasers give more future proofing but it’s possible certain technology such as g fast or vdsl which are currently used may still be operated on the copper network they will probably replace everything with fibre but the exact things about cable replacement and what you asked really depends on how quickly it happens in your area
Not people over 70? I'm 70 and have had a VoIP phone for over 15 years. I've also had a cell phone for over 29 years. I am well aware of the benefits VoIP can bring.
So if I take my landline out will they not charge me the landline rental or would I have to contact talk talk for them to stop charging me Me in landline rental
You still have to pay for a landline in order to make 999 calls if you plug a landline phone into a house that does not pay for it it simply will not work because it is not connected with how they put the Internet over the phone line, they have to actually enable landlinethere are multiple options for free emergency calls but you can get a mobile phone without a Sim card and still make them and if you pay for a landline over the Internet, the emergency calls are still free
i always use my landline as do many many others
0:28 stupid BBC presenters - " when did you last use a landline" i use one everyday!
So do plenty of people still.
Actually, the majority of people don’t use them because now they are more than the Internet cost per month in a lot of contracts
I love the way the presente rhas a "get with it grandad" attitude. As if having telephone services fail if the internet fails is a good idea. Old landlines work when there's a powercut. The VOIP ones won;t, because they die if your router dies. Want to use a phone in another oom? Well you have to piss about with a cordless because your extension sockets won;t work either - all the joys of linking it to the router, and coping with a signal attenuated to mince by your brick walls. Oh, and most telecare devices (liek fall alarms) won;t work with Vopi either! Upgrade my arse.
You can do what I do and get a UPS to keep power up. As for using a phone in another room, one benefit for VoIP phones for businesses is if you want to move a phone, just move it and plug it in. I've had VoIP for over 15 years. I just plug the "line" into a phone jack and it's available wherever there's a phone jack, just like before.
@@James_Knott So I now have to have a UPS (and keep it charged). I didn;t need one before. But of course, in a power cut, the street cabinet equipment like switches will also die. Unlike the old phone lines, they do not carry their own power. Indeed, major exchanges used to have their own standby generators, because the important of telephones continuing to work in a powercut was recognised. VOIP phones either plug into the phone socket of the router or they are wireless. The point I was making was that for someone elderly, a wireless voip phone isn;t just "plug it in and it works" liek the old handsets. You have to twat about pairing it with the router, including passkeys. Where I live the properties have very thick solid triple brick walls internally as well as the outer wall, because they were built next to a mail railway which carried lots of freight. When my master socket was replaced by BT I could no longer plug my router into an extension socket upstairs. I had to go wireless. The wireless spectrum is (in the words of the engineer who paid several cisits trying to get acceptable speeds) is "absolutely rammed" and there was loads of contention and attenuation.
@@richardgregory3684 Don't you have a UPS for your computer? The street boxes have batteries. At least they do in Canada.
@@James_Knott _Don't you have a UPS for your computer_
No.
_The street boxes have batteries. At least they do in Canada_
They do but they are only goo for brief outages, not an extended but.
It's not hard to set up extensions BUT they no longer interconnect! And no, we were not warned about this at all. In other words, if a member of your family answers the phone in one room, you can no longer pick up the call at another phone.
This has caused my husband and me a lot of hassle ...just this alone. Never mind that if the broadband goes down (as it does fairly often) the phones don't work either. DESPITE being told, when I asked, if this would happen. I knew the phones wouldn't work if there was a power cut, but the agent assured me they would work if the router was still 'live.' He said: "As long as the router is flashing colours, even if the broadband isn't working, the phone will work." I don't know if he was deliberately lying, or if he just didn't know ...but no, the router flashing does not mean the phone will work. It doesn't and didn't.
Quite frankly, while we're slowly getting used to the new system, it hasn't actually provided anything for us that we wanted, and it has taken away several things we depended on. The thought that we can not phone if the internet isn't working is quite scary. Yes, we can use a smartphone, but that's not the phone we use for our normal calls, and it's NOT the phone number the various companies, banks, services, have for us. So when we encounter automated answering setups, when we phone for help ...hey, ho. They don't recognise us.
We share our mobile, like we share our landline. We want people to be able to get hold of either of us. And we also want our service companies and our bank to deal with either of us as well.
Frankly, Digital Voice is a right pain in the backside. We've had it now for over a month ...have had it go down twice in that amount of time. And there is nothing we can do but simply wait for it to go back on, and hope that the outage covers a lot of territory, and that it's not just 'us' with the problem. Because, if it is, how do we let people know?
Do us also have a mandatory landline phase outas well
I think BT is a bit of a monopoly. Especially with Openreach.
You need it to be a big company open reach is actually the company that manages the network. Any company can use open reaches lines and purchase space BT does that it really should be one big company because otherwise it’s just very hard to have good communications over long distances
I have had BT digital voice for over a year. It's fantastic. I dont really use my landline. But i like to have a cordless phone by my bed, as I refuse to charge or have my mobile 📱 in my bedroom. As I'd never be off it.
How do you get a number for these digital phones? My landline will be cut off soon as we are having full fibre installed and wondered how I get a internet handset to work?
@rebeccaw1274 Depends who your provider is and what package of full fibre youve gone for. If it's full fibre only you wont have a phone line. But if you are going full fibre with phone like for like your old analogue line will be switched off and your service will become Voip. Your number would stay the same. The only difference is that you would then have to plug your phone into the back of your hub/modem.
If your BT you can order the Digital voice handsets from BT. They retail at £22.98 each for the basic handset and £44.98 each for the handset with Alexa built in.
With BT it's easy to set them up. It's as easy as pressing the WPS button onnthe hub. And register on the handset.
Our provider doesn't give the option to keep a landline , it's full fibre. It's fine really as we use mobile phones , it was more of a backup in case the battery was flat etc. in the US you can have Google voice but it's not available in the UK? Ashame
@@rebeccaw1274 full fibre still gives the possibility of landline as the data can be given over it if your specific provided is not provide landline services you’re going to have to set up an IP phone system and handle some of the set up. It can be quite complex, but it’s mainly copying and paste in configuration.
Is there a video that explains this properly? Will homes no longer have a cable or is it that the existing cable will still carry broadband but not phone signals?
It’s going to be a bit of everything basically they aim to replace all the copper cabling with fibre optic because lasers give more future proofing but it’s possible certain technology such as g fast or vdsl which are currently used may still be operated on the copper network they will probably replace everything with fibre but the exact things about cable replacement and what you asked really depends on how quickly it happens in your area
Not people over 70? I'm 70 and have had a VoIP phone for over 15 years. I've also had a cell phone for over 29 years. I am well aware of the benefits VoIP can bring.
Most people don’t understand it though
So if I take my landline out will they not charge me the landline rental or would I have to contact talk talk for them to stop charging me
Me in landline rental
Line rental is a fee to open reach which pays for using the wires in this case, there will still be a fee because the fibre optic network has costs
no more free emergency calls ? as its now free with a landline
You still have to pay for a landline in order to make 999 calls if you plug a landline phone into a house that does not pay for it it simply will not work because it is not connected with how they put the Internet over the phone line, they have to actually enable landlinethere are multiple options for free emergency calls but you can get a mobile phone without a Sim card and still make them and if you pay for a landline over the Internet, the emergency calls are still free
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