The Making of Marienburg, writing the Old World | GW Genealogy
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- The most populous city in Warhammer’s Old World was the great port of Marienburg. An independent state that facilitated trade with the peoples of every civilised nation the city has been home to some great adventures and stories in the history of Warhammer.
This video charts the development history of the great city, from its first appearance in a single line of flavour text inspired by our real world to the ground breaking White Dwarf series to dedicated RPG sourcebooks, novels, and short stories.
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[Black Industries Marienburg Project] web.archive.org/web/2008021503...
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Another great romp through the history of the creation of Old World - I didn't know there was so much! Always look forward to your Making of Warhammer series. Now, detail I know, it wasn't me who came up with the name. Marienburg in the Wasteland was the name for the role-play/skirmish setting that Richard Halliwell adopted following a trip out to Amsterdam in the late 70s with his then girlfriend Marrion. Marienburg is named after Marrion. When Hal started to write stuff for Warhammer he brought the setting with him. I don't recall there being much to it other than the broad theme and the fact it was surrounded by wastes of possibly post-nuclear devastation - during the process of building the Warhammer World Marienburg kinda came along.
That’s amazing, thanks Rick. Incredible how those simple fun ideas and sweet gestures can grow into something so rich, detailed, and firmly established in the fullness of time!
“I’m not a bunch of rats in a sorcery suit”
*suspicion that Jordan IS a bunch of rats in a sorcery suit intensifies*
I suspected the presence of warpstone emanating from this excellent channel.
I’m not a bunch of rats! What more can I squeak!
You've highlighted what is my favourite thing about this Warhammer hobby of ours, too: That everything that has ever been written about or invented for the Old World or the 40k galaxy can be canon if it provides inspiration for your own model projects, rpg adventures, or stories. It makes all the stuff created over last 40 years a veritable treasure trove of ideas, visuals, and colour schemes you can lose yourself in.
Totally agree, there’s so many wonderful ideas, stories, and images - it makes it such a joy to make the army or game from the things that inspire you most
One significant early inspiration that you didn't mention was The City League from Imagine magazine, continued briefly in Paul Cockburn's GM Publications. Jim and Phil had contributed to it as TSR UK staff writers, and so had Tom Kirby. That's where the idea of creating a city one location at a time really came from.
Outstanding, thanks for sharing this Graeme! I wasn’t familiar with the City League, but taking a look now it seems like a fascinating work - I’ll definitely be giving it a deeper read.
I’d love to hear about more of the inspirations and behind the scenes stories from the making of WFRP. Let me know if you’d ever be interested in a chat!
what a channel. Fewer than 10k subs is one of the great mysteries of our time
Give it time.
Yeah, Jordan isn’t just building a sub count. He’s building fans.
"I am NOT a bunch of rats in a sorcery suit" he squeaked nervously. Another great video about a topic I had no idea about!
I'm not, honest!
I was discovering WFRP just as White Dwarf started publishing those articles about Marienburg, so I've always had a soft spot for it . I have the two Hogshead books about it too, and I appreciated all the information about its early and subsequent development in this video, so thanks for it.
Those WD articles are still the gold standard for RPG location for me, incredible work
I believe Marienburg doubles as a bit of pun, if you speak Dutch. Read in Dutch it would sound as Marineburg. Literally a walled town or fortress asociated with the sea. And Marienburg is basically the Old world equivalent of Holland. Hence some of the names in the city.
I think it's a mix of dutch and german. Some things are more dutch, but the history of the city reminds of cities like Hamburg a free Reichs-city. Hamburg "bought" his freedom with a fake trade treaty.
That’s very fun, I wonder if that was intentional or a stroke of luck!
Hup Holland Hup lol
@@jordansorcery I'm erring towards intentional. There's a similar thing going on with Tzeentch. In Dutch you pronounce the "ee" as the "a" in gate. So a Dutch speaker would read the chaos god's name as: Tzantch, wich starts sounding an awful lot like change.
@@matthewjongema1405 Belgiëeeeeeeeeeeee! Ik kijk echt uit naar zijn stadsoverzicht van Marienburg.
Video starts:
"Hello."
(Thunderour cheering and applause and the crowd goes wild 🎉😄😄😄🥳🥳)
You’ve got to play the classics!
Loved this, made me want to reach for my copy of WFRP and those White Dwarfs.
Couldn’t agree more with your closing comments as well.
Revisiting those WD issues for this and my GW Books history has reminded me just how incredible it was during this era. So much amazing content every issue!
I love seeing collaborative creations like this - they have that degree of verisimilitude that a single creator can’t really pull off. Great video.
Apparently one if the wizards of Marienburg had a familiar called Verisimilitoad 🐸
That’s hilarious
Thanks to mods, I'm playing Marienburg in Total War and am planning a Marienburg army for WHTOW when it drops ...
Love to it hear it!
@@jordansorcery I've just noticed on the Highlands Minis release for July that their great cannon has two prominent fish on the barrel (no seriously go look!) so that ties in nicely ...
When this book came out I worked at Viking hobby in Sacramento. One day a older couple come in, 50s maybe older. They ask if we have a Warhammer book called Marienburg. We had one copy which I had order for myself, WFRP was not a popular game but I loved it. So I tell them we have one copy. They excitedly explained they wanted to buy it as their son was the author. Needless to say they left holding the book their son wrote and got to hear me praise his work.
That’s a very sweet story! Thanks for sharing it
I love Amsterdam, and soon after going for a trip to it, I learnt more on Marienburg and was so happy to see Amsterdam in Warhammer Fantasy, because it's what it is :D
among my favorite cities of Warhammer, with Nuln and Karak Azgal.
Really enjoyed that! I remember those GW articles very fondly, and am one of the lucky souls to have a set of the Gargoyles (still waiting for paint over 30 years later)
"You gotta bear in mind, the pronounciation of some of these words will sound like nothing any human will have uttered before."
Every Dutch and Belgian: Braces themselves.
I knew it wouldn’t go well!
@@jordansorcery I could give you pointers how to pronounce the names, but hearing your pronounce Dood bridge as dude bridge is just to funny.
appreciate you may be a fan of this specific place, but i will watch, like/comment etc every other place that you do in this style.
There’s a few more locations I’d like to give the same treatment at some point
I’m loving this channel. Thanks!
Glad to hear it!
Heldenhammer or The Empire (can't remember) details Sigmars seige of Marburg.
My heart still lay in the wyrd and warped backways of Mordheim, but this was great! I'm starting an empire army here too and was almost convinced to start painting them up as Marienburgers watching this, right until you said you were aha.. and so my search for a theme goes on (it's a Blackpowder heavy army if anyone has ideas)
How about a Nuln army, from the city of cannons and, you know, black powder?
Nuln is a great shout if you’re wanting a black powder focus - they have the most famous gunnery school in the Empire no less!
Marinburg was basically the GW huys going "What if Ankh-Morpork, but Dutch?"
As I recall from the early WD articles, the currency was Guilders. This is also the pre-euro Dutch currency, reinforcing the connection.
Nice video. If you are getting comments from Rick Priestley and Graeme Davis you must reaching a good audience. 👍
Very good point
Great video! A shame you probably didn't know about Marienburg stuff released relatively lately in Sea of Claws supplement for WFRP 4e. Presence of Marienburg is not that big in the book, but I would have loved to hear about it still!
And I hear there’s now a dedicated Marienburg supplement planned for 4e! I need to get reading and playing asap!
appreciate these videos so much on a friday
I’m glad!
This channel and Gideon's Awesome Lies combined really gives a lot of history on my favourite setting.
Love to see the old guys commenting here as well!
Also: picture at 06:18 of a city street is almost identical to a picture in the new Middenheim book on page 16. Weird.
Also: someone compiled the information from the Black Industries site into a PDF that is floating around. It's just about 200 pages of good stuff. It can be found if asking around.
There is so much interesting stuff on Awesome Lies, it’s an incredible blog. Humbled to be counted alongside it!
I loved this video sir, fascinating and educational in equal measure. With nothing else useful to say, however, this comment is my offering to Malal's long lost step-brother's former roommate Algo'rithm.
Also "Watch yer chips at Marienburg," sounds like good traveler's advice.
It’s always useful to praise that most fickle of the chaos gods!
Thanks Jordan, these development histories are fascinating
Thanks for this amazing deep dive of Marienburg; although, it should be no surprise considering you are powered by Skaven 😉 My first WFRP character was an Elf Seaman that came from it, but despite the city being mentioned regularly, sadly we never got to play in the city in any of our many games. Great to learn new things and I look forward to the travelogue 🤩
Then the under-travelogue, Squeak-Squeak 🐀🌠
An under-empire travelogue would be a sight to see!
Yet another fantastic video. Keep up the great work!
I don't think I have seen your miniatures, would love a video of your collection one day ♥
There’s a lot of embarrassing grey plastic in it, but I’m hoping to show some pieces in an upcoming hobby room tour!
There are two short stories set in Marienburg starring a halfling investigator. I read them 28 years ago in a series of warhammer story booklets that came out here in Italy (there were also the first stories by Felix and Gotrek)
Sam Warble is his name.
This is fantastic news! I’m going to be reading all the original GW Books for my brand new monthly book club and it looks like these stories are from that era. Can’t wait!
@@jordansorcery The Genevieve series are some of the best, with spinoff shorts featuring Baron and Wolf Von Mecklenburg, Vukotich, and the Tzeentch celestial Dien Chien. Also, the Orfeo series and the Konrad series.
The Zazant stories are a great read too.
And I'm pretty sure that the Sam Warble stories are from the Red Thirst and Wolf Riders anthologies.
@@musashidanmcgrath I read some stories on Genevive also in that collection, and Vukotich to.
Ah, the Swamp Germans in The Old World! Love that city´s description... I have the RPG book..
Another excellent video - I’ve just gotten back into 40K - Blood Angels but watching your videos I’m thinking about getting into Warhammer Fantasy the Old World
It feels like the imminent Old World release is actually bringing a bit of a resurgence for older editions too, which I am all for!
When is the next Marienburg update? I can’t wait to see models!
Coming this Friday!
It has been an absolute joy to watch this channel grow. Your content continues to entertain and educate.
Each video you produce is a joy to watch.
10k subs is about to hit. Very, VERY well deserved. 👏
Cheers Stevo! Thanks for supporting the channel the whole way! Hoping that we hit 10k soon and then who knows what next!
@jordansorcery it's been my pleasure mate! I would love to collaborate or work together in some way in the future.
I am about to hit 5k myself! 🥰
Great work, man! That’d be cool, hopefully there’ll be a good opportunity for us to work on something together!
I'd genuinely love that!
Failing that. It would certainly be cool to roll some dice with you at some point in the future. 🙂
Jordan, do you have some enormous library with every single issue of White Dwarf or something? Absolutely brilliant video. The old woman with a crow @6:06 ! I was too young to understand the article, but that image stayed with me for a long time. Thanks for the walk down childhood-trauma lane 👍
I’ve been slowly rebuilding my White Dwarf collection, and going way further back too, and it is just a joy to read! One day I’ll hopefully have a big enough library room to fit them in!
AMAZING videos! Brings back such amazing memories!
Marienburg would have made a great expansion location for mordhiem
No don't protect your chips! If the gargoyles want your chips you just let them take them. And that goes double for normal seaguls.
You’re quite right tbf, they deserve the odd pilfered chip!
Did the person get the seagull line idea after visiting one of the UK’s beaches 😂😂😂😂
I love this channel❤. Keep on with your excellent content
Thanks, I’ll do my best!
Great vid!
I don't know whether you ever got hold of a Forgeworld Steam Tank, I know you said you were looking. But the offer is there, should you wish, for a 3D printed one - happy to print it for you - gratis, of course.
Cheers Paul, that’s very generous! I’ve been lucky enough to get my grubby mitts on a FW original, but I’ve yet to assemble it as it looks tricky!
Great job!
Thanks!
As someone that didn’t really play Warhammer fantasy outside of computer games I’m really enjoying learning all this history of GW and OW lore. Because of this I’ve recently started reading Gotrek and Felix and was expecting them to have travelled there at sometime?
I don't think they ever did. Great books though, where are you up to?
Only in Slayer of the Storm God, which was a short audio drama. They've been just about everywhere else mind you.
I’m soon going to be reading the earliest GW Books (watch this space) so I’m looking forward to spending some time with Gotrek and Felix!
@@michaelstockin1636 only just finished Skavenslayer. Which I’m sure your aware is only the second book. 😂
@@wolvz7081 More good books still to come then yes yes.
Yet again a great video!
Thanks!
Meanwhile, Marienburg continues to appears in my rp. Now I am having a new PC join a mercenary group to join the war against Greenskins in Bretonnia.
I’m jealous!
Great video.
Are you familiar with WFRP 3rd Edition? Seems not to have much love because of the format, but there were some good supplements and locations introduced.
The Witch's Song was set in the Imperial village of Fauligmere on the edge of the Wasteland. There are some Marienburg references in the adventure.
WFRP 3rd edition totally passed me by, with the exception of me gawping at that massive and impressive starter box! I’d love to check it out properly one day
@@jordansorcery I do recommend checking it out. A lot of people were put off by the apparent 'gamification' (or perhaps 'boardgamification') and by the thinness of the sourcebooks, but actually there were a lot of good ideas in the game and a lot of the supplements and adventures were actually very interesting.
I see the Dying of the Light reused John Blanche's image of Khare.
Such a great piece, I love Blanche’s city scapes so I’m always happy to see them again!
Other 'lorehammer' channels; entirely ignored by Rick Priestley
Jordan Sorcery; watched by Rick Priestley so he can learn more about Warhammer
p.s. any chance of a Fimir video?
I would love to do a Fimir video at some point!
I bought (and still have) all of the original Marienburg WFRP articles from White Dwarf as a teenager, and bought the two Hogshead books a decade later.
The Hogshead books are vastly inferior to the original work.
Also, I'm pretty sure that it was always portrayed as "fantasy Netherlands"
You’re right, there’s definitely a lot of the Dutch vibe from the off. That said, the first WD article has a German name “Willkomm en Marienburg” so they were seemingly drawing on a few influences.
Everyone tell their friends about this channel
Will do!
Such a delicious sounding city. An anarcho capitalist paradise.
You are the don of cat love fun.
It’s Martha’s show really
Your dutch needs work. Good video haha
I was afraid of that!
Subtitules in spanish please!!!
«The pronunciation will sound like nothing that any human has uttered before» Come on,it’s just german, man.
Most of it is Dutch
@@jordansorcery True, you are right. The name Marienburg suggests german, but the creators didn't give much attention to consistent naming patterns.
On the other hand, dutch is basically a northern german dialect. It's way closer to northern german than say, for example, bavarian or austian dialects.
Then again, what's a language? A dialect with a government and an army.
Marienburg chapel in the city of +2kyr old city of Nijmegen was named long before the first Kurfürst. Yes in our region Kleverland dialect is still spoken by dutch and germans.
@@Telrunya598
1. That chapel was build in the 15th century. Marienburg, the famous castle of the knight teutonic was build in the 13th
2. Name recognition is way stronger with the famous castle in Poland.
And yes, you could equally say german is a dialect of dutch, of course. Until the 30 year war the Netherlands were seen as a part of the HRE anyways, and the inhabitants as teutsch (dutch).
So while the Netherlands are, of course, a free independent state (like Germany, Austria, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Switzerland and Belgium), it's also part of the "west germanic sphere" as for it's history, language and ethnic make up as well as more specific the Benelux and more general the germanic lands (together with Scandinavia).
Calling Marienburg the greatest city. Will for sure piss off citizens from Aldorf, Middenheim and Nuln. 😅
I’m ready to take the heat, the gargoyles and pirates have got my back!
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Well Jordon. The hobby allows for creative use of backgrounds not religious texts.
End of times, what? Never heard of it 😅
That’s my kind of thinking!