This channel's content just keeps getting better and better. When I was 13, my family went abroad on holiday for the first time, so i was allowed to buy 1 new book to read on the plane. The book I chose was Drachenfels which I loved, and consequently began to follow Kim Newman's later work (Anno Dracula being possibly the best vampire novel after Dracula itself).
If you haven't done it already I'd LOVE to see you do a video covering Dark Future, unlike GWs other 'forgotten games' like Confrontation it is, as you pointed out, the only one to ever get novel tie ins and be more fleshed out...only to completely disappear by the early 90s. I can distinctly remember being in a GW store in...1992...I think and seeing the Comeback Tour novel still on the shelf for sale but absolutely no sign of the game it was meant to be attached to.
I still have my Boxtree edition Drachenfels sitting proudly on my shelf (though I have to say the last few times I read it was in ebook format). I LOVE that book. Its probably one of my top five novels and a always zoom through it much faster than I usually finish any other book. There's just something about Kim Newman's writing that makes it so easy to read and the setting so real.
Really loved Drachenfels, that is a REALLY GREAT story, with a pretty neat twist. Not to mention it intriduced me to my favourite GW character, The Vampire Genevieve.
Loved this video. Love early GW Books. So glad you covered this. Also, love the hint toward the march toward the Black Library and Inferno magazine! Huge influence on me starting my own tabletop short story magazine.
What would a Pratchett Warhammer novel be like? The mind boggles! A little bit of (unnecessary, you likely already know) context: the reason Dave Langford’s letters are likely so tongue-in-cheek is because he and all the authors he wrote to were regulars on the UK sci-fi convention scene and they already knew one another. He likely knew they would have a skeptical view towards any GW publication at that time and approached them thus. Fantastic video btw!
It would have probably been great, if a bit too similar to Discworld. I'm not sure how the timelines match up but I'm definitely happier having more discworld than if any of those characters and stories had been tied to Warhammer (unless he had been writing for 40K or Dark Future. A Terry Pratchett novel based on Gorkamorka would probably have been amazing, though.)
Great research, fascinating story of how GW novel range began. I read the Orfeo trilogy again earlier this year, wonderfully captures that tainted world I love. My favourite WH book is Drachenfels which led me to Anno Dracula years later. Jordan Sorcery Book Club sounds good, perhaps I'll join in for the Jack Yeovil portions of your adventure.
One of the most interesting things about Kim Newman's Dark future novels is that they are one of the few books that mention (by name) entities from the Cthulhu mythos and the Chaos gods. They are set in an alternate history of our Earth. One where Elvis presly gave up on his music career and joined the mimitary, eventually attaining the rank of colonel. It's little nodds like this that make Newman so much fun to read.
Really enjoyed this, and as always, I’ve learnt so much. Aside from Route 666 I’ve not read any of these either, …yet, but I’m well into Ignorant Armies, and can’t wait to record the first book club with you.
I've finished Blackhearts recently thanks to a recent reprint of the trilogy, it read like a WHFRPG game, terrific stuff. The Ambassador Chronicles are one of the peak novels of the setting in my opinion, both novels have been read several times.
Came home the pub, saw a new Jordan Sorcery video, went "Ooh, hello Jordan", forgetting the intro style, clicked the link and was creasing. Always appreciate the understated hello, top notch 👍 Content is great as always. I always learn way more than I thought I would, keep it up lad!
For the last year and a half or so I've actually been working my way through as many of the old OOP GW books as I could get my hands on. Looking forward to going back through Ignorant Armies and having a chat about it!
@@jordansorcery maybe! I've not read them in ages, but remember really enjoying them. The Dark Future books are especially good imo, you're in for a treat there. Refreshingly different setting to WH/W40k
Cracking video and brilliant quality, these Warhammer history documentaries are brilliant! The books are such a key driver for me and why I like Warhammer over other miniature games. The figures are not just miniatures but part of a wiser story too.
Hi Jordan. Love the channel! I have 6 original Dark Future books from the 1990s. The 6th book (which also has the wonderfully gaudy red cover) is the actual novel ‘Route 666’ which expands on the short story of the same name which was from the 1990 anthology of the same name (confusing!). It was written by Yeovil and published by Boxtree in 1993. The only book I don’t have is United States Calvary which was promised but never produced. I must say I’m proud to own all of the fantastic books you’ve covered here.
Great video as always. I love the idea of a book club and am very tempted to join in, but I’m appreciating my reading selection at the moment. I just finished the Legend of Sigmar trilogy, am reading Drachenfels now, and plan on reading Gotrek & Felix book 6, Vampire Slayer next. I’ll definitely be watching for your book club discussions even if I’m reading elsewhere in the Fated Place.
The Dark Future novels were some genuinely good cyberpunk alt/future/history stuff, and Drachenfels stands out as a clever horror pastiche novel in it's own right, with some actually creepy parts. The Konrad novels are a pretty good read still as well, very much 3rd ed./WFRP Empire and Realm of Chaos. Hell, even Ian Watson's novels are kind of sophisticated, by 80's 'avant garde' sci fi standards, if you ignore the childish (although admittedly funny) recent criticism from TTS and S&W. Weirdly, bits of Space Marine still permeate the Imperial Fists background to this day- Necromundia recruits, geneseed flaws, scrimshawing, and the pain glove... oh, the pain glove.
I haven't read that many but my favorite so far is Shadow King, the second book in The Sundering trilogy, about Alith Anar. I'll definitely check out this book club 😊
I’m looking for Chaos Dwarf Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower and some rare Britonian models but really if I run across something cool I try to acquire it lol, I do have that giant you talked about
My friends got into Warhammer 40,000 when we were in 7th grade, exposing me to it to the degree that, of course, I also had to be interested and get involved. I went out and picked up White Dwarf 117; my first issue featured the Drachenfels WFRP stats and, most importantly, the Yeovil story "No Gold In The Grey Mountains". While we bought miniatures, it never seemed like anyone actually played the games; for my part, my true interest became the worlds and those large-format books were my way into it. (I always preferred the bigger books to those awful tiny paperbacks. GW was ahead of the curve on larger-format presentations and I adored the art style.) I don't think I've ever cared about any fiction as much as I did those early GW books. As a matter of habit, nostalgia, or necessity, I collected all the Warhammer, 40K, and Dark Future books up until around 2005 or 2006. I've still never played Warhammer Fantasy Battle and haven't touched 40K since second edition. First edition Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay stands as one of my favorite roleplaying games of all time and is the only fantasy game I'd bother with, though I'm not sure how many decades it's been since I last played it with another human. That era of GW, particularly its fiction, had a huge and lasting effect on my tastes, my own desire to write, and the tone I looked for in my reading.
It's fascinating isn't it how we can totally fall in love with a setting or story or set of fiction and have a lifelong creative relationship with it despite not playing the games or engaging with the source of the material in other ways. I talked a little about something similar in my Dark Matter video - I adore the game and the books, it's been a lifelong part of my collection and will never leave it, but it has been a long time since I played it, and it is far from the game I have played most. Yet sometimes a world just 'grabs' us I guess!
As a kid in the noughties, I read a few Black Library books before getting into anime and manga. I re-read a few during lockdown and the Blood on the Reik trilogy by Sandy Mitchell was still as good as I remembered. The rest were pretty awful though (imo) and they'll be going on ebay soon. I did like Anvil of Ice a lot.
I’ve never read any Sandy Mitchell, but I believe there’s some stories in the GW Books run we’re reading in my book club - something to look forward to!
Ya I imagine it too. So much so that I’ve got small novels worth of back story/head canon written down to my eldar and wolf armies 😂 Like creating a world for DnD home campaign, always be my fav part of the hobby.
I can't wait for the book club! Sadly I only have 2 of the original Dark future novels (Route 666 and Comeback tour) as well as the reprints of Drachenfells and the Inquisitor trilogy. I have reprints of all 4 Dark future novels but those are not the same as the originals.
I haven't read many of the Black Library books, but I've greatly enjoyed the Ciaphas Cain series. Considering how much people were asking for those oop books, I shudder to wonder what the books listed here go for.
Love so many of the early 40k books, an absolute mad time for the universe being slowly coalesced. Konrad was so bum though, just an attempt to replicate a Moorcock style story in the Warhammer World.
@@jordansorcery to be fair I only got to read it before we sold it, we use to buy things from car boot etc and sell them , had lots of stuff through our hands
My faves are solidly gotrek and felix and the realm slayer series so far. Back in the earlier days of black library the space wolves stuff was amazing (lukas and ragnars books are particularly sweet.) there were two pre old world quasi historical dwarf books honour keeper and oath breaker (responsible for my favourite elf insult) there was supposed to be a third but I don’t think it was ever finished…. Grudge lore it supposed to be called. Of course the Horus Heresy I’m currently tackling. Currently on the outcast dead. There’s many others that have left a mark amount the other myriad stays and sci fi worlds thy I visit. Gotta say… a Terry pratchett fantasy book could have been mental funny…. Looking forward to this Jordan. Will definitely not be marginally more square mate. !🤘🏻
lots of cool information in this video ! I honestly did not even know these existed. Perhaps these were not available in Canada at the time? Honestly I was lost in TSR fiction at this time( dragonlance..forgotten realms etc)
That’s an interesting suggestion for sure! There’s definitely something in the way creative experiments in the GW worlds have been handled. And the fact that there’s always been so much potential there, even if the business sometimes gets in the way
I recently re-read Inquisitor by Ian Watson, and still liked it as much as my teenage self did, despite now being more aware of it's 'problematic' elements. Couldn't finish Harlequin though.
I started reading it but fell off before anything interesting really happened. Oddly enough, despite the reputation of the book as a whole, those initial chapters and the way that the exploitation of the assassin's body by the state was framed (up to and including forcibly giving her invasive surgeries against her will because the state doesn't value her enough as an individual to imbue her with rights to her own body) it came off as surprisingly progressive and ahead of its time given the current level of roll back concerning legal protections relating to bodily autonomy and reproductive rights across the United States (I know that it's primarily red states but they could only create those laws because the supreme court was stuffed with religious fundamentalists by the previous administration and the current administration is utterly toothless and is apparently terrified of alienating the vanishingly small number of people who hypothetically want those laws to be put on the books in the states that they control, but don't already vote republican.) From what I've heard it's not really a story about how that traumatic experience affected her psychologically and kind of doubles down on the objectification and sexualisation, but maybe I need to go back to it and see if I can get a bit further without getting distracted due to ADHD.
The Ian Watson 40k and Jack Yeovil Warhammer Fantasy stories are still available from Black Library. Unfortunately several of the books are now out of print so eBay, second book shops, and libraries are worth a look. The Oldhammer Fiction podcast has also recorded several of the stories as audio books if you’re interested in listening to them instead
I have mixed feelings about this channel getting ads now... Haha no bravo Jordan Sorcery 🎉🎉 I'd also like to add that this video is my 5000th liked TH-cam video...fun fact :)
🎶It's time to put on warpstone, It's time to dress up right (Harlequin outfits), It's time to get reading, Black Library books every night! 🎶 -- Yes-yes, spread the tale-tails of the great Thanquol! Secret-Squeak 🐀🌠 -- I've been revisiting some of the old books, so I'm all in for reading the rest 🤩
The Dark Future books are brilliant imho. Never played the game though. I have well read copies of all 4 on the shelf. I've got the 2 WH 40k books as well but only Drachenfel from the Fantasy line. I am gutted to find out that there are a couple more Dark Fantasy books that weren't released. Anyone know if there is anyway to read them or at least learn what the plots were? I'll have to re-read them (again)
All of Kim Newman's Warhammer fiction was fantastic, especially Drachenfels, which introduced me to gothic horror at an impressionably young age. Newman is a quality writer, who deftly navigates tropes, slips in pop-cultural references and basically tells a banging good story. The Konrad books however, were poorly written dreck...
My favorite GW books is Faith & Fire, the original Sisters of Battle novel. :) I've also read the Dark Eldar trilogy, and Path of the Incubus is my favorite in that series thanks to some fun Tzeench mischief!
Based on what I know, Space Marine was commissioned before Boxtree, though. Source: Ian Watson in the queue to the bar at Nine Worlds in London in 2014. Before GW Books got shut down, he'd been told to take out the more sexual aspects of the book, but Boxtree never got the memo on that, and they released it as it was. Spoiler: it's quite gay. Splendid video, though! I look forward to the upcoming stuff! Tie-in literature is a topic of interest for me. They're way overlooked and underanalysed.
7:37 - ...The Goon Show inspired Nurgle? Well, they DID make the word 'lurgi' popular, so I suppose that makes a sort of sense! EDIT: the second I finished writing this comment, I heard Terry flippin' Pratchett. Are all my comedy favourites going to get mentioned in this video?
I used to dangle thousands of quid (dollars) to get people to write for Forgotten Realms (etc.), and wrote some myself for same. If you want a professional, be prepared to pay accordingly!
It definitely seems like the earlier attempts tried to cheap out on the talent! I imagine there’s an interesting tension between the restrictions of writing in an ‘owned’ world and the opportunity to write reviews in the settings and with characters that we’ve all grown up loving?
Some authors really embraced it and took the often over-detailed worldbuilding as a challenge. Writing in the Forgotten Realms from 2nd edition onward was really more like writing historical fiction than strictly fantasy.
Hello, please :((( I searching this answer on internet lot of times, but nothing about License, please, is Deathtrap Dungeon (or full Fighting Fantasy) public domain? I creating Fan made video game based on Deathtrap Dungeon and i want to Share it to the world. I create this game for free, but i don't know about License of DD and Ian Livingstone, I contact all publishers, but nothing. Great video :)
Ahhhh - I love the Genevieve novels. 'Drachenfels' is a brilliant fantasy-horror novel - with a lovely dig a mad old men who push toy soldiers around a table. 'Beasts in Velvet' would cause a Twitter meltdown if it were published today. Totally worth reading 😛
The best luck I’ve had has been on eBay, but I think second hand book stores are always worth checking too. The Oldhammer Fiction podcast has also recorded several of them if you have any interest in listening to the stories
Favourite Warhammer books? Definitely the Gotrek and Felix and Ciaphas Cain series. But there's been plenty of others that I've enjoyed, too many to mention.
If you want to listen to the Ignorant armies stories instead of reading them, the Oldhammer Fiction podcast does a good job of reading them
This is a great shout, was just pointed to the Oldhammer pod and it’s very good!
Came here for the "...hello." Was NOT disappointed. 10/10 ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I aim to please!
This channel's content just keeps getting better and better. When I was 13, my family went abroad on holiday for the first time, so i was allowed to buy 1 new book to read on the plane. The book I chose was Drachenfels which I loved, and consequently began to follow Kim Newman's later work (Anno Dracula being possibly the best vampire novel after Dracula itself).
I fell down that rabbit hole too, seduced by Kim Newman's wonderful world of Anno Dracula.
If you haven't done it already I'd LOVE to see you do a video covering Dark Future, unlike GWs other 'forgotten games' like Confrontation it is, as you pointed out, the only one to ever get novel tie ins and be more fleshed out...only to completely disappear by the early 90s. I can distinctly remember being in a GW store in...1992...I think and seeing the Comeback Tour novel still on the shelf for sale but absolutely no sign of the game it was meant to be attached to.
I like to think somewhere there's a parallel universe where Dark Future is on it's 10th edition and 40k is a forgotten footnote.
Seconding this.
Confrontation got a Novel tie in. You've not read Space Marine?
CONFRONTATION! Oh heck yes!
I still have my Boxtree edition Drachenfels sitting proudly on my shelf (though I have to say the last few times I read it was in ebook format). I LOVE that book. Its probably one of my top five novels and a always zoom through it much faster than I usually finish any other book. There's just something about Kim Newman's writing that makes it so easy to read and the setting so real.
What a great Novel. Kim Newman's output was fantastic
Really loved Drachenfels, that is a REALLY GREAT story, with a pretty neat twist. Not to mention it intriduced me to my favourite GW character, The Vampire Genevieve.
It’s one of the only GW Books I’ve read so far and I loved it!
History lessons have never been more fun to listen too!
Loved this video. Love early GW Books. So glad you covered this. Also, love the hint toward the march toward the Black Library and Inferno magazine! Huge influence on me starting my own tabletop short story magazine.
Hell yes! Looking forward to hear you read those.
Me too!
What would a Pratchett Warhammer novel be like? The mind boggles!
A little bit of (unnecessary, you likely already know) context: the reason Dave Langford’s letters are likely so tongue-in-cheek is because he and all the authors he wrote to were regulars on the UK sci-fi convention scene and they already knew one another. He likely knew they would have a skeptical view towards any GW publication at that time and approached them thus.
Fantastic video btw!
It would have probably been great, if a bit too similar to Discworld.
I'm not sure how the timelines match up but I'm definitely happier having more discworld than if any of those characters and stories had been tied to Warhammer (unless he had been writing for 40K or Dark Future. A Terry Pratchett novel based on Gorkamorka would probably have been amazing, though.)
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 That’s a really good point.
Have been scouring TH-cam for videos exactly like this, glad to have stumbled upon your channel!
Great research, fascinating story of how GW novel range began. I read the Orfeo trilogy again earlier this year, wonderfully captures that tainted world I love. My favourite WH book is Drachenfels which led me to Anno Dracula years later. Jordan Sorcery Book Club sounds good, perhaps I'll join in for the Jack Yeovil portions of your adventure.
I’m really looking forward to it!
One of the most interesting things about Kim Newman's Dark future novels is that they are one of the few books that mention (by name) entities from the Cthulhu mythos and the Chaos gods.
They are set in an alternate history of our Earth. One where Elvis presly gave up on his music career and joined the mimitary, eventually attaining the rank of colonel. It's little nodds like this that make Newman so much fun to read.
The Elvis plot has always fascinated me so I’m keen to finally read it!
Really enjoyed this, and as always, I’ve learnt so much. Aside from Route 666 I’ve not read any of these either, …yet, but I’m well into Ignorant Armies, and can’t wait to record the first book club with you.
Me too Stu, it’s going to be great fun!
So that's why 'Spell of Empire' felt like warhammar fantasy with the serial numbers filed off. A most enjoyable read!
I’d not heard of it before, but I’m tempted to check it out now!
Looking forward to your bookclub, I think I read most of them.
My favorite books by GW series are:
Gotrek and Felix
The Ambassador
Blackhearts
I’ve only read that first Gotrek short from Ignorant Armies and I really enjoyed it, can’t wait to read the rest now!
@jordansorcery the early ones are great 'The Sons of Ulic' is a favourite.
I've finished Blackhearts recently thanks to a recent reprint of the trilogy, it read like a WHFRPG game, terrific stuff. The Ambassador Chronicles are one of the peak novels of the setting in my opinion, both novels have been read several times.
Came home the pub, saw a new Jordan Sorcery video, went "Ooh, hello Jordan", forgetting the intro style, clicked the link and was creasing. Always appreciate the understated hello, top notch 👍
Content is great as always. I always learn way more than I thought I would, keep it up lad!
Ooh, hello Joshua!
@@jordansorcery 🤣
For the last year and a half or so I've actually been working my way through as many of the old OOP GW books as I could get my hands on. Looking forward to going back through Ignorant Armies and having a chat about it!
Original copies of Drachenfels and the Demon Download trilogy are sitting on my shelf right now :) Love those books.
Time for a re-read?
@@jordansorcery maybe! I've not read them in ages, but remember really enjoying them. The Dark Future books are especially good imo, you're in for a treat there. Refreshingly different setting to WH/W40k
@@jordansorcery btw our little WFB friend group has been really enjoying your videos, keep up the good work.
Cracking video and brilliant quality, these Warhammer history documentaries are brilliant!
The books are such a key driver for me and why I like Warhammer over other miniature games. The figures are not just miniatures but part of a wiser story too.
It saddens me that I didn't live in the 80s, they had so much cool stuff.
We sure did.
Hi Jordan. Love the channel!
I have 6 original Dark Future books from the 1990s. The 6th book (which also has the wonderfully gaudy red cover) is the actual novel ‘Route 666’ which expands on the short story of the same name which was from the 1990 anthology of the same name (confusing!). It was written by Yeovil and published by Boxtree in 1993. The only book I don’t have is United States Calvary which was promised but never produced. I must say I’m proud to own all of the fantastic books you’ve covered here.
Fantastic collection! I’m very much looking forward to reading the DF books!
A Games Workshop Record Label?! Heck I want to see how that timeline evolved!
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I’m sure it seemed like a good idea at the time!
Snipe & Wib made a video on it.
@@nikoladedic6623 ooo will have to check it out! Thanks for the tip!
I just assumed that Bolt Thrower was a part of GW Records. They were advertised in White Dwarf after all.
Homie, you make the videos that I didn't know I have been waiting for.
Happy to help!
Great video as always. I love the idea of a book club and am very tempted to join in, but I’m appreciating my reading selection at the moment. I just finished the Legend of Sigmar trilogy, am reading Drachenfels now, and plan on reading Gotrek & Felix book 6, Vampire Slayer next. I’ll definitely be watching for your book club discussions even if I’m reading elsewhere in the Fated Place.
The Dark Future novels were some genuinely good cyberpunk alt/future/history stuff, and Drachenfels stands out as a clever horror pastiche novel in it's own right, with some actually creepy parts. The Konrad novels are a pretty good read still as well, very much 3rd ed./WFRP Empire and Realm of Chaos. Hell, even Ian Watson's novels are kind of sophisticated, by 80's 'avant garde' sci fi standards, if you ignore the childish (although admittedly funny) recent criticism from TTS and S&W.
Weirdly, bits of Space Marine still permeate the Imperial Fists background to this day- Necromundia recruits, geneseed flaws, scrimshawing, and the pain glove... oh, the pain glove.
I haven't read that many but my favorite so far is Shadow King, the second book in The Sundering trilogy, about Alith Anar. I'll definitely check out this book club 😊
I wish they would bring back Dark Future, it was fantastic!
What a coincidence. Only yesterday I remembered and researched the Konrad trilogy. Keep up the great work
Thanks, will do!
I loved those old Ian Watson books. They were gloriously mental.
I’m very much looking forward to their wild and wonderful ways!
I don’t have a single book but many, many series. Gotrek and Guants Ghosts being at the top of the list
Brilliant video
Trollslayer, and indeed Geheimnisnacht IS warhammer for me.
Konrad started off well but lost its way. Im currently re-reading Drachenfels and it still holds up. Excellent video btw 👍
Drachenfels is one of the only GW Books I’ve read (earlier this year) and it blew me away!
I’m looking for Chaos Dwarf Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower and some rare Britonian models but really if I run across something cool I try to acquire it lol, I do have that giant you talked about
Alas, I’ve only previously read Inquisitor from the GW books line. Book club sounds fun.
My friends got into Warhammer 40,000 when we were in 7th grade, exposing me to it to the degree that, of course, I also had to be interested and get involved. I went out and picked up White Dwarf 117; my first issue featured the Drachenfels WFRP stats and, most importantly, the Yeovil story "No Gold In The Grey Mountains". While we bought miniatures, it never seemed like anyone actually played the games; for my part, my true interest became the worlds and those large-format books were my way into it. (I always preferred the bigger books to those awful tiny paperbacks. GW was ahead of the curve on larger-format presentations and I adored the art style.)
I don't think I've ever cared about any fiction as much as I did those early GW books. As a matter of habit, nostalgia, or necessity, I collected all the Warhammer, 40K, and Dark Future books up until around 2005 or 2006. I've still never played Warhammer Fantasy Battle and haven't touched 40K since second edition. First edition Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay stands as one of my favorite roleplaying games of all time and is the only fantasy game I'd bother with, though I'm not sure how many decades it's been since I last played it with another human. That era of GW, particularly its fiction, had a huge and lasting effect on my tastes, my own desire to write, and the tone I looked for in my reading.
It's fascinating isn't it how we can totally fall in love with a setting or story or set of fiction and have a lifelong creative relationship with it despite not playing the games or engaging with the source of the material in other ways.
I talked a little about something similar in my Dark Matter video - I adore the game and the books, it's been a lifelong part of my collection and will never leave it, but it has been a long time since I played it, and it is far from the game I have played most. Yet sometimes a world just 'grabs' us I guess!
I remember seeing some of the early dark future books in WH Smiths as a kid
As a kid in the noughties, I read a few Black Library books before getting into anime and manga. I re-read a few during lockdown and the Blood on the Reik trilogy by Sandy Mitchell was still as good as I remembered. The rest were pretty awful though (imo) and they'll be going on ebay soon.
I did like Anvil of Ice a lot.
I’ve never read any Sandy Mitchell, but I believe there’s some stories in the GW Books run we’re reading in my book club - something to look forward to!
Ya I imagine it too.
So much so that I’ve got small novels worth of back story/head canon written down to my eldar and wolf armies 😂
Like creating a world for DnD home campaign, always be my fav part of the hobby.
I can't wait for the book club! Sadly I only have 2 of the original Dark future novels (Route 666 and Comeback tour) as well as the reprints of Drachenfells and the Inquisitor trilogy. I have reprints of all 4 Dark future novels but those are not the same as the originals.
I am very much looking forward to the DF books!
Ignorant armies was my first book of Warhammer fiction and it is great.
Another awesome video. Thanks for all the hard work!
My pleasure!
Who knows if one day we will see these stories adapted into films or TV series ...
I haven't read many of the Black Library books, but I've greatly enjoyed the Ciaphas Cain series. Considering how much people were asking for those oop books, I shudder to wonder what the books listed here go for.
You know, you would think with how the popular Drachenfels is, you would think someone would post pdf on it.
Love so many of the early 40k books, an absolute mad time for the universe being slowly coalesced.
Konrad was so bum though, just an attempt to replicate a Moorcock style story in the Warhammer World.
I am looking forward to the trials and tribulations of Konrad!
Another wonderful video, sir. I absolutely HAVE to find and read the Dark Future books, they sound completely bonkers.
I’m very excited to catch up with the Dark Future!
Thanks for the well researched video!
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
Talking of Ian millers art have you ever seen James Herbert's the City? It's quite rare graphic novel
I’ve flicked through a friend’s copy and it is magnificent! Getting hold of a copy is sadly too rich for my blood these days though!
@@jordansorcery to be fair I only got to read it before we sold it, we use to buy things from car boot etc and sell them , had lots of stuff through our hands
Fantastic video Jordan... looking fd to book club.
Thanks!
Fantastic video as always!
Thank you!
My faves are solidly gotrek and felix and the realm slayer series so far. Back in the earlier days of black library the space wolves stuff was amazing (lukas and ragnars books are particularly sweet.) there were two pre old world quasi historical dwarf books honour keeper and oath breaker (responsible for my favourite elf insult) there was supposed to be a third but I don’t think it was ever finished…. Grudge lore it supposed to be called. Of course the Horus Heresy I’m currently tackling. Currently on the outcast dead. There’s many others that have left a mark amount the other myriad stays and sci fi worlds thy I visit. Gotta say… a Terry pratchett fantasy book could have been mental funny…. Looking forward to this Jordan. Will definitely not be marginally more square mate. !🤘🏻
Ouch, I thought we'd have an update on yr Marienburg army this week
On track for next week!
15:52 What is Farside east of Kislev?
lots of cool information in this video ! I honestly did not even know these existed. Perhaps these were not available in Canada at the time? Honestly I was lost in TSR fiction at this time( dragonlance..forgotten realms etc)
Interesting how this somewhat parallels GWs recent/curreny mistreatment of Warhammer Plus and Warhammer Animation
That’s an interesting suggestion for sure! There’s definitely something in the way creative experiments in the GW worlds have been handled. And the fact that there’s always been so much potential there, even if the business sometimes gets in the way
I recently re-read Inquisitor by Ian Watson, and still liked it as much as my teenage self did, despite now being more aware of it's 'problematic' elements. Couldn't finish Harlequin though.
I’ve only sampled a few extracts from Inquisitor and it was certainly interesting! High on my list of most anticipated for the book club!
I started reading it but fell off before anything interesting really happened.
Oddly enough, despite the reputation of the book as a whole, those initial chapters and the way that the exploitation of the assassin's body by the state was framed (up to and including forcibly giving her invasive surgeries against her will because the state doesn't value her enough as an individual to imbue her with rights to her own body) it came off as surprisingly progressive and ahead of its time given the current level of roll back concerning legal protections relating to bodily autonomy and reproductive rights across the United States (I know that it's primarily red states but they could only create those laws because the supreme court was stuffed with religious fundamentalists by the previous administration and the current administration is utterly toothless and is apparently terrified of alienating the vanishingly small number of people who hypothetically want those laws to be put on the books in the states that they control, but don't already vote republican.)
From what I've heard it's not really a story about how that traumatic experience affected her psychologically and kind of doubles down on the objectification and sexualisation, but maybe I need to go back to it and see if I can get a bit further without getting distracted due to ADHD.
Are these still in print / ebook? If so where can you get them from?
The Black Library still sell them, Ian Watson’s 40k novels and Drachenfels et al for sure.
The Ian Watson 40k and Jack Yeovil Warhammer Fantasy stories are still available from Black Library. Unfortunately several of the books are now out of print so eBay, second book shops, and libraries are worth a look. The Oldhammer Fiction podcast has also recorded several of the stories as audio books if you’re interested in listening to them instead
I have mixed feelings about this channel getting ads now...
Haha no bravo Jordan Sorcery 🎉🎉
I'd also like to add that this video is my 5000th liked TH-cam video...fun fact :)
Here’s to 5,000 more! I’d love to get to a place of not needing the ads, but that’s a ways off unfortunately!
🎶It's time to put on warpstone,
It's time to dress up right (Harlequin outfits),
It's time to get reading,
Black Library books every night! 🎶
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Yes-yes, spread the tale-tails of the great Thanquol! Secret-Squeak 🐀🌠
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I've been revisiting some of the old books, so I'm all in for reading the rest 🤩
Thank you.
You've mentioned a couple of books I don't have , woohoo eBay here I come.
My pleasure!
I got the original Inquisitor an Deathwing from 1990
Interesting stuff. 👍
The Dark Future books are brilliant imho. Never played the game though. I have well read copies of all 4 on the shelf. I've got the 2 WH 40k books as well but only Drachenfel from the Fantasy line. I am gutted to find out that there are a couple more Dark Fantasy books that weren't released. Anyone know if there is anyway to read them or at least learn what the plots were? I'll have to re-read them (again)
those Dark Future books are awesome. Do you have the originals or the reprints from the 2000s?
@@godofzombiI've got the original large size ones
@@tablet_user1940 Nice! I got Route 666 and Comeback tour and all 4 of the reprints, but they changed some stuff in those.
top notch
All of Kim Newman's Warhammer fiction was fantastic, especially Drachenfels, which introduced me to gothic horror at an impressionably young age. Newman is a quality writer, who deftly navigates tropes, slips in pop-cultural references and basically tells a banging good story. The Konrad books however, were poorly written dreck...
I was so impressed by Drachenfels! I’m looking forward to spending more time with it and the rest of the Newman stories
Agreed. I became a lifelong fan of Newman after discovering him as Jack Yeovil. Drachenfels is due a reread for me.
@@mikenolan73 Still holds up very well.
Have you read Anno Dracula?
I love this channel.
My favorite GW books is Faith & Fire, the original Sisters of Battle novel. :) I've also read the Dark Eldar trilogy, and Path of the Incubus is my favorite in that series thanks to some fun Tzeench mischief!
I love a good Tzeentch story!
Justice for Boxtree Books!
They did some fantastic work keeping the series alive, but I must admit cutting the art pages seems like a real loss!
I remember reading route 666 at primary school
High quality video as usual. Stay classy. 😎
Thank you!
At 11:28, should that be 1988?
You are quite right! It should be 1988, so I have added a correction to the description.
I had/have route 666. I don't even knowing if i finished it at the time.
Based on what I know, Space Marine was commissioned before Boxtree, though. Source: Ian Watson in the queue to the bar at Nine Worlds in London in 2014. Before GW Books got shut down, he'd been told to take out the more sexual aspects of the book, but Boxtree never got the memo on that, and they released it as it was. Spoiler: it's quite gay.
Splendid video, though! I look forward to the upcoming stuff! Tie-in literature is a topic of interest for me. They're way overlooked and underanalysed.
It sounds like Kirby killed off the book deal the first time around, although who knows
There’s a definite ring of Kirbycide isn’t there, though no concrete evidence!
7:37 - ...The Goon Show inspired Nurgle?
Well, they DID make the word 'lurgi' popular, so I suppose that makes a sort of sense!
EDIT: the second I finished writing this comment, I heard Terry flippin' Pratchett. Are all my comedy favourites going to get mentioned in this video?
Love it
Who would win, ethics or thousands of quid?
Thousands of quid. Especially when it's ethical to accept them.
I used to dangle thousands of quid (dollars) to get people to write for Forgotten Realms (etc.), and wrote some myself for same. If you want a professional, be prepared to pay accordingly!
It definitely seems like the earlier attempts tried to cheap out on the talent!
I imagine there’s an interesting tension between the restrictions of writing in an ‘owned’ world and the opportunity to write reviews in the settings and with characters that we’ve all grown up loving?
Some authors really embraced it and took the often over-detailed worldbuilding as a challenge. Writing in the Forgotten Realms from 2nd edition onward was really more like writing historical fiction than strictly fantasy.
Hello, please :((( I searching this answer on internet lot of times, but nothing about License, please, is Deathtrap Dungeon (or full Fighting Fantasy) public domain? I creating Fan made video game based on Deathtrap Dungeon and i want to Share it to the world. I create this game for free, but i don't know about License of DD and Ian Livingstone, I contact all publishers, but nothing. Great video :)
Ahhhh - I love the Genevieve novels. 'Drachenfels' is a brilliant fantasy-horror novel - with a lovely dig a mad old men who push toy soldiers around a table. 'Beasts in Velvet' would cause a Twitter meltdown if it were published today. Totally worth reading 😛
I’m sorry I got rid of my GW Books now!
I’m really enjoying them!
you are so cool.
Do you happen to know where I can find original copies of these Books? The original ones, full of illustrations and hard to put on the shelves 🤣.
The best luck I’ve had has been on eBay, but I think second hand book stores are always worth checking too. The Oldhammer Fiction podcast has also recorded several of them if you have any interest in listening to the stories
Favourite Warhammer books? Definitely the Gotrek and Felix and Ciaphas Cain series. But there's been plenty of others that I've enjoyed, too many to mention.
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Junk food fantasy goes real good with over priced tiny plastic toys. He’s missing out. Could have played thousand Sons.
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Dont worry jason, i always press like on all videos i am watching and only press dislike if you fuck up bad. And you never have.
Hell yeah we dodged a bullet with David Langford. Anyone who puts down Dragonlance ESPICALLY the first trilogy, is absolutely insane.
GW records?
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Class!
@@jordansorcery You say that, I have my doubts!! :D