Since I am in the US, this machine is pretty common, but a nice find anyway! Just a couple weeks ago I bought a VV-X-A (Victor Victrola the tenth) from 1918. the VV-X has the insides of a Victrola the ninth, but it has a fancier standalone cabinet instead of being a tabletop. Mine has the conjoined single can motor and Victrola No.2 reproducer. I have already overhauled the reproducer and motor. I plan though, on re-finishing the cabinet since it is pretty rough, but has no veneer chips or lifting.
Thanks 😀 👍. Sounds like you have picked up a great machine, too! I have a couple of floor standing machines with the later combined spring barrel. Both the same model as each other, but many differences: th-cam.com/video/18WXd65E7ow/w-d-xo.html
Yes indeed. I nearly didn't buy it as it's quite big and heavy. But the chance to own a Victor machine, in a land full of HMVs 😉, and the fact my main playing machine is broken, swayed me in the end! 😅. Thanks 😀 👍
Very nice Victrola! A fairly common machine here in the states! It could have been brought to England buy someone visiting the US? Or shipped? You should have no problem getting it fixed. Only Victor machines were allowed to have doors. Which they had a patent on. Which came about, because Columbia put doors on their first internal horn machines. However Eldridge Johnson had a fit and sued Columbia and won the right for only Victrola’ s to have doors. So, Columbia decided to use louvers. For their volume control.
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, I looked it up before I bought it and apparently there were more that 500 thousand made! Probably only a few dozen, or low hundreds here though. It is a mystery though how it ended up here. In 1916, the UK was deep inside WW1, and I don't think anyone could have imported it. Very similar HMV machines were available locally so no obvious reason to import it either. It may have come over with the US troops in 1917, or maybe someone emigrating to England in the 1920s 🤔. The door patent is also a very interesting point as many off brand UK machines did have volume control doors too. I have a couple of machines like this which I will do videos about at some point. Presumably these small manufacturers were 'under the radar' as far as legal action from Victor 🤔. 😀
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I can, and probably will just to see how it performs. The fitting is slightly different, but I can get around that easily. The horns on these pre orthopaedic Victrolas are very simple designs, so there may not be much, if any, improvement. Thanks 😀 👍
I call it a lucky find, though there are others in my family who might disagree! 😉😅. I've had to move stuff around to fit it in, but hopefully I'll get some good use out of it. Thanks 😀 👍
Good question, and there are lots of different opinions. 3in1 oil is considered to be a bad choice as it gums up in time. WD-40 isn't really thick enough and evaporates too much. For the governor, I use sewing machine oil. For the spring barrel, I use general purpose grease. For oiling the rest of the motor, I haven't tried it yet, but I have a bottle of 10w-40 motor oil, which should be suitable. Thanks 😀 👍
You bought a great machine! One of my friends has one of these and it sounds quite wonderful. I have a slightly later Victrola XI full upright cabinet that includes record storage and with the Victrola No.2 sound box. It's a very common Victrola and the serial number on mine is crazy high I found later put it around 1920 for its construction. I don't worry about whether it's common or rare, I just like the way it sounds.
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, it's a common Victrola, though where I am all Victrolas are rare, so not a machine I had seen before 😅. Looks like it should work well, though I do want to at least replace the rubber bits on the reproducer
Hello! I just inherited one. It came with a smaller vinyl and played fine. Then I put a larger (normal size vinyl to today’s standards) and it scratched it first go :( maybe I need to replace the needle? Any advice why the smaller size vinyl worked for this? Was the needle and smaller vinyl fit to work better than the larger size vinyl? How much are these worth these days? Thanks!
So, the only records these are designed to work with are shellac records, which are much harder and more brittle than records made out of vinyl. Shellac records normally play at about 78rpm whereas vinyl records are 33.3 or 45rpm usually. The needle was intended to be changed after every record, and even now, they can be bought in the 100s for not very much. These machines are not particularly valuable. Over 500 thousand of this particular model were made, so, at least in the US, they are still fairly common. I found mine in the UK, which makes it much more unusual for me as they weren't sold here, but it still wasn't expensive. Machines with big metal or wooden horns are more valuable. However, there are lots of cheap fakes around. Thanks 😀 👍
How much is a HMV gramophone very similar to this worth. It's a tabletop model like this one just that It's HMV. Here where I live these old gramophones are rare and seller is offering it for 250 euros, is that reasonable ?
If it's the same, complete with the feet, then it's likely to be a 126 or 127. These have the later tonearm and No.4 soundbox and are very similar to the HMV162, but without the big horn. th-cam.com/video/z51G1pYuyVE/w-d-xo.html I've not seen one in person, but they are going to be nice machines. If it works and you like it, then 250 euros doesn't sound too bad. It is what you might pay in an expensive antique shop here, but then they are more common here 😀👍. This VV-IX cost me about 92 euros (it's rare in the UK, but nobody cares 😉) . I saw a similar Columbia machine in an antiques shop recently for about 207 euros. My first HMV 162 was about 130 euros.
@@mrrgstuff Thanks for the reply, I probably won't buy it because the seller sent me additional pictures and the wood is in a pretty rough shape and it is missing the handles on the volume control doors. I think a lot of work would be necessary to make it look nice again. And yes, everything 78 related is overpriced here in Serbia. Keep up the good work.
@@mrrgstuff And I have to thank you for all good videos you made all these years, I remember watching your videos as a 5th grader and being amazed by your homemade gramophone and vintage machines that you have. I even made a homemade gramophone following your videos. I really appreciate your work, cheers.
That's very nice of you to say 😀. And, I also really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos. I'm glad you have found them interesting. Although I am working with real vintage machines now, I also still love building my own DIY ones, and there should be more of that, too! Thanks 😀 👍
@@mrrgstuff They’re the size of a floor model’s upper half. Have you ever seen specially made bottom cabinets for these machines? They’re really really sweet.
Yes, the sound quality is surprisingly good, and I think this might be an electrically recorded record also. I did play another one where there was definite blasting, so I plan to replace the gaskets and back isolator for a start. Thanks 😀 👍
Just what I'd do, buy something that's a bit unusual in the UK, tho' I'm sure HMV would have produced something almost identical. Like your record of 'That Certain Party, by the Regent Dance Orchestra.
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, I've seen a couple of similar HMVs (pictures in the video), but was holding out to actually repair the HMV162. I went with the Victrola as it was a good opportunity to buy a quality machine at a good price that wasn't a HMV. Works surprisingly well too! 😅 I'll upload the whole record soon too 😀
@@mrrgstuff …………….. I was looking for someone to repair and check-over a gramophone that I bought yesterday. I don’t know which model it is but it’s a Gilbert, can you help ?
I'm not sure if I could physically help with repairs, but if you email me (I think you have my email, but it's in the 'about' section of my channel also), I'd be very happy to offer what advice and help I can give. 😀
Thanks 😀 👍. Glad you enjoy the videos, I really like making them too! 😀. It certainly is a very nicely made machine, and even in its completely unrestored state, works impressively well. I can quite understand why so many were made. I do plan to use it regularly, so I hope to at least replace all the rubber parts in the reproducer fairly soon 🤔😀
Basically because it was a good opportunity to buy a Victor made machine, and I needed something that would go on top of the HMV162 to play records until I get that one fixed. Thanks 😀 👍
Repent and trust in Jesus. we deserve Hell for our sins. For example lying, lusing, saying God's name as a cuss word and stealing our just some examples of sin which we can all admit to doing at least one of those. For our sin we deserve death and Hell, but there is a way out. Repent anf trust in Jesus and you will be saved. Repentence is turning from sin. So repent and trust in Jesus. He will save you from Hell, and instead give you eternal life in Heaven. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤😊❤❤
Hi, I understand why you are commenting biblical texts, but wonder if you are actually watching my videos? Do you do this on videos you like, or do you just pick random videos and channels to post on? Also, considering you are just cutting and pasting text, I feel I should point out you have various typos and spelling mistakes which you might like to sort out. If you are enjoying my videos, I'd appreciate some on topic comments also. Thanks
@mrrgstuff Thanks for mentioning. I do watch these videos and do not pick them randomly. I remember your channel from the homeade Record players. To clarify, I comment on just about every video I watch, not some though. Also, since you replied, I do have a question about 78 rpm records. After I've played them on my Victrola, if I touch the needle, a black substance comes off. I was wondering if the needle is damaging the records because I know it should work the other way around. What I said previously is truthful. Thanks for reading and God bless you!
@lowlightpiano7110 Black stuff on the needle might indicate the needle is wearing the record. It might just be dirt though. Make sure you use a new needle for each record. Also if your reproducer hasn't been rebuilt, the gaskets are probably stiff and this will stop the needle flexing as much as it should, which will also increase wear. What model of Victrola is it? Thanks
Very similar to my 1916 one, though your one might have the later motor. These earlier machines do suffer from poor tracking which can cause record wear. Also the reproducer really needs to have new gaskets, if they are still the original ones. Hard gaskets can cause record wear too. I hope to make some improvements to mine in future videos to hopefully make things better. Thanks 😀 👍
Since I am in the US, this machine is pretty common, but a nice find anyway! Just a couple weeks ago I bought a VV-X-A (Victor Victrola the tenth) from 1918. the VV-X has the insides of a Victrola the ninth, but it has a fancier standalone cabinet instead of being a tabletop. Mine has the conjoined single can motor and Victrola No.2 reproducer. I have already overhauled the reproducer and motor. I plan though, on re-finishing the cabinet since it is pretty rough, but has no veneer chips or lifting.
Thanks 😀 👍. Sounds like you have picked up a great machine, too!
I have a couple of floor standing machines with the later combined spring barrel. Both the same model as each other, but many differences: th-cam.com/video/18WXd65E7ow/w-d-xo.html
Beautiful antique piece. Nice feature is the doors serve as volume control.
Yes indeed. I nearly didn't buy it as it's quite big and heavy. But the chance to own a Victor machine, in a land full of HMVs 😉, and the fact my main playing machine is broken, swayed me in the end! 😅. Thanks 😀 👍
Very nice Victrola! A fairly common machine here in the states! It could have been brought to England buy someone visiting the US? Or shipped? You should have no problem getting it fixed. Only Victor machines were allowed to have doors. Which they had a patent on. Which came about, because Columbia put doors on their first internal horn machines. However Eldridge Johnson had a fit and sued Columbia and won the right for only Victrola’ s to have doors. So, Columbia decided to use louvers. For their volume control.
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, I looked it up before I bought it and apparently there were more that 500 thousand made! Probably only a few dozen, or low hundreds here though. It is a mystery though how it ended up here. In 1916, the UK was deep inside WW1, and I don't think anyone could have imported it. Very similar HMV machines were available locally so no obvious reason to import it either. It may have come over with the US troops in 1917, or maybe someone emigrating to England in the 1920s 🤔. The door patent is also a very interesting point as many off brand UK machines did have volume control doors too. I have a couple of machines like this which I will do videos about at some point. Presumably these small manufacturers were 'under the radar' as far as legal action from Victor 🤔. 😀
Repent and trust in Jesus. we deserve Hell for our sins. For example lying, lusing, saying God's name as a cuss word and stealing our just some examples of sin which we can all admit to doing at least one of those. For our sin we deserve death and Hell, but there is a way out. Repent anf trust in Jesus and you will be saved. Repentence is turning from sin. So repent and trust in Jesus. He will save you from Hell, and instead give you eternal life in Heaven.
John 3:16
Romans 3:23❤❤😊❤
Can you put an Orthophonic reproducer on it?
I can, and probably will just to see how it performs. The fitting is slightly different, but I can get around that easily. The horns on these pre orthopaedic Victrolas are very simple designs, so there may not be much, if any, improvement. Thanks 😀 👍
Congratulations my friend. You are always innovating. I learn a lot from you.
Thanks 👍 😀. Glad you are enjoying my videos 😀
That victoria looks gorgeous! I wish i had one of those!
I call it a lucky find, though there are others in my family who might disagree! 😉😅. I've had to move stuff around to fit it in, but hopefully I'll get some good use out of it. Thanks 😀 👍
What kind of oil should I use to oil the motor and the crank?
Thanks.
Good question, and there are lots of different opinions. 3in1 oil is considered to be a bad choice as it gums up in time. WD-40 isn't really thick enough and evaporates too much. For the governor, I use sewing machine oil. For the spring barrel, I use general purpose grease. For oiling the rest of the motor, I haven't tried it yet, but I have a bottle of 10w-40 motor oil, which should be suitable. Thanks 😀 👍
Excellent tabletop, and great tune!
Thanks 😀 👍
looks good, should be interesting servicing it !
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, I plan to do the reproducer first, at least change out all the rubber bits. I'm still considering how best to tackle the motor
You bought a great machine! One of my friends has one of these and it sounds quite wonderful. I have a slightly later Victrola XI full upright cabinet that includes record storage and with the Victrola No.2 sound box. It's a very common Victrola and the serial number on mine is crazy high I found later put it around 1920 for its construction. I don't worry about whether it's common or rare, I just like the way it sounds.
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, it's a common Victrola, though where I am all Victrolas are rare, so not a machine I had seen before 😅. Looks like it should work well, though I do want to at least replace the rubber bits on the reproducer
@@mrrgstuff I think it will bring you a great deal of listening pleasure once you have the sound box sorted out.
Hello! I just inherited one. It came with a smaller vinyl and played fine. Then I put a larger (normal size vinyl to today’s standards) and it scratched it first go :( maybe I need to replace the needle? Any advice why the smaller size vinyl worked for this? Was the needle and smaller vinyl fit to work better than the larger size vinyl? How much are these worth these days? Thanks!
So, the only records these are designed to work with are shellac records, which are much harder and more brittle than records made out of vinyl. Shellac records normally play at about 78rpm whereas vinyl records are 33.3 or 45rpm usually. The needle was intended to be changed after every record, and even now, they can be bought in the 100s for not very much. These machines are not particularly valuable. Over 500 thousand of this particular model were made, so, at least in the US, they are still fairly common. I found mine in the UK, which makes it much more unusual for me as they weren't sold here, but it still wasn't expensive. Machines with big metal or wooden horns are more valuable. However, there are lots of cheap fakes around. Thanks 😀 👍
How much is a HMV gramophone very similar to this worth. It's a tabletop model like this one just that It's HMV. Here where I live these old gramophones are rare and seller is offering it for 250 euros, is that reasonable ?
If it's the same, complete with the feet, then it's likely to be a 126 or 127. These have the later tonearm and No.4 soundbox and are very similar to the HMV162, but without the big horn.
th-cam.com/video/z51G1pYuyVE/w-d-xo.html
I've not seen one in person, but they are going to be nice machines.
If it works and you like it, then 250 euros doesn't sound too bad. It is what you might pay in an expensive antique shop here, but then they are more common here 😀👍. This VV-IX cost me about 92 euros (it's rare in the UK, but nobody cares 😉) . I saw a similar Columbia machine in an antiques shop recently for about 207 euros. My first HMV 162 was about 130 euros.
@@mrrgstuff Thanks for the reply, I probably won't buy it because the seller sent me additional pictures and the wood is in a pretty rough shape and it is missing the handles on the volume control doors. I think a lot of work would be necessary to make it look nice again. And yes, everything 78 related is overpriced here in Serbia.
Keep up the good work.
@@lukavukmanovic8473 Yes, if it needs lots of work, then that really does start to sound expensive. Good luck in finding something better. Thanks 😀 👍
@@mrrgstuff And I have to thank you for all good videos you made all these years, I remember watching your videos as a 5th grader and being amazed by your homemade gramophone and vintage machines that you have. I even made a homemade gramophone following your videos. I really appreciate your work, cheers.
That's very nice of you to say 😀. And, I also really appreciate you taking the time to watch my videos. I'm glad you have found them interesting. Although I am working with real vintage machines now, I also still love building my own DIY ones, and there should be more of that, too! Thanks 😀 👍
My favorite gramophone of all time. The largest tabletop Victrola.
Glad you like it. It certainly is a big and heavy machine. Thanks 😀 👍
@@mrrgstuff They’re the size of a floor model’s upper half. Have you ever seen specially made bottom cabinets for these machines? They’re really really sweet.
Yes, I have it balancing on top of my HMV 162, and it only just fits! 😅. I've seen pictures of the bottom cabinets, but not one for real. Thanks 😀 👍
That soundbox doesn’t sound too bad. Good score.
Yes, the sound quality is surprisingly good, and I think this might be an electrically recorded record also. I did play another one where there was definite blasting, so I plan to replace the gaskets and back isolator for a start. Thanks 😀 👍
Just what I'd do, buy something that's a bit unusual in the UK, tho' I'm sure HMV would have produced something almost identical. Like your record of 'That Certain Party, by the Regent Dance Orchestra.
Thanks 😀 👍. Yes, I've seen a couple of similar HMVs (pictures in the video), but was holding out to actually repair the HMV162. I went with the Victrola as it was a good opportunity to buy a quality machine at a good price that wasn't a HMV. Works surprisingly well too! 😅 I'll upload the whole record soon too 😀
@@mrrgstuff Look forward to that. I posted an excellent vocal version by The Two Gilberts a while back.
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Thanks 😀 👍
Do you just love to repair these beautiful machines for your own enjoyment or do you do it as a business also. ?
It's just for fun. I have an unrelated full-time job also. Thanks 😀 👍
@@mrrgstuff …………….. I was looking for someone to repair and check-over a gramophone that I bought yesterday. I don’t know which model it is but it’s a Gilbert, can you help ?
I'm not sure if I could physically help with repairs, but if you email me (I think you have my email, but it's in the 'about' section of my channel also), I'd be very happy to offer what advice and help I can give. 😀
Mine is the late 1917 model I like it a lot. I enjoy your videos
Thanks 😀 👍. Glad you enjoy the videos, I really like making them too! 😀. It certainly is a very nicely made machine, and even in its completely unrestored state, works impressively well. I can quite understand why so many were made. I do plan to use it regularly, so I hope to at least replace all the rubber parts in the reproducer fairly soon 🤔😀
Why did you, anyway?
Basically because it was a good opportunity to buy a Victor made machine, and I needed something that would go on top of the HMV162 to play records until I get that one fixed. Thanks 😀 👍
Repent and trust in Jesus. we deserve Hell for our sins. For example lying, lusing, saying God's name as a cuss word and stealing our just some examples of sin which we can all admit to doing at least one of those. For our sin we deserve death and Hell, but there is a way out. Repent anf trust in Jesus and you will be saved. Repentence is turning from sin. So repent and trust in Jesus. He will save you from Hell, and instead give you eternal life in Heaven.
John 3:16
Romans 3:23❤😊❤❤
Hi, I understand why you are commenting biblical texts, but wonder if you are actually watching my videos? Do you do this on videos you like, or do you just pick random videos and channels to post on? Also, considering you are just cutting and pasting text, I feel I should point out you have various typos and spelling mistakes which you might like to sort out. If you are enjoying my videos, I'd appreciate some on topic comments also. Thanks
@mrrgstuff Thanks for mentioning. I do watch these videos and do not pick them randomly. I remember your channel from the homeade Record players. To clarify, I comment on just about every video I watch, not some though.
Also, since you replied, I do have a question about 78 rpm records. After I've played them on my Victrola, if I touch the needle, a black substance comes off. I was wondering if the needle is damaging the records because I know it should work the other way around.
What I said previously is truthful. Thanks for reading and God bless you!
@lowlightpiano7110 Black stuff on the needle might indicate the needle is wearing the record. It might just be dirt though. Make sure you use a new needle for each record. Also if your reproducer hasn't been rebuilt, the gaskets are probably stiff and this will stop the needle flexing as much as it should, which will also increase wear. What model of Victrola is it? Thanks
@mrrgstuff Thanks. I missed this comment. VV-IX from 1917.
Very similar to my 1916 one, though your one might have the later motor. These earlier machines do suffer from poor tracking which can cause record wear. Also the reproducer really needs to have new gaskets, if they are still the original ones. Hard gaskets can cause record wear too. I hope to make some improvements to mine in future videos to hopefully make things better. Thanks 😀 👍