Thank you for clarifying the quote mining Collins used against you. And I truly hope that one day, Collins and his guests will understand that "guilt by association" (their preferred 'modus operandi') is a fallacy in reasoning.
Yeah... this is my primary concern with his work. I hope that Collins can understand better the importance of accurate engagement because I'd hate to see this become the way he does things given that he has some valid concerns out there! But it was definitely weird finding I had been used to take down Wimber! ha ha.
I was in the Vineyard 28 years. I lived through and watch all that happen. You are correct with the History. I LOVE John! He changed my life with the teachings of The Kingdom of God. ❤
Thank you for addressing these videos that John Collins has but out which often misrepresent others. I do is shocked when I saw him making videos about John Wimber and felt that he had misrepresented Wimber.
@@matthewb252able yeah. His work, including his latest podcast, is hard to take seriously. The guest he recently had should just have said “I’m actually a cessationist fundamentalist now”… and then we could evaluate those biblical texts in question. I mean… Ronald Nash?!? Cmon! Hah. It’s hard not to make more videos just demonstrating by Wimber and other’s own words just how bad John Collins’ methodology is. Makes me definitely question all of his Branham work.
Saya orang Indonesia, sekitar 25 tahun yang lalu sangat tertarik dengan pekerjaan dan pelayanan Wimber. Membaca bukunya Power Evangelism an sangat takjub. Namun kenapa dia pergi begitu cepat, dan diselidiki ternyata matinya dengan banyak komplikasi penyakit. Ini sangat menimbulkan keheranan saya yang sangat mendalam dan masih menggantung: kenapa orang yang begitu dahsyat dipakai Tuhan untuk kesembuhan, tetapi mati dengan cara demikian? Apa yang perlu kita pelajari tentang hal ini? Saya tidak bermaksud mengkritik atau membandingkan Wimber dengan misalnya Kenneth Hagin, namun keinginan Hagin dipenuhi Tuhan bahwa ia ingin mati sesudah makan breakfast terenak. Cara pergi yang sangat enak dan baik. Firman Tuhan mengatakan kita perlu melihat/belajar dari kematian orang-orang benar. Kiranya Wimber sudah nyaman di Sorga mendoakan kita-kita yang masih berjuang dengan iman di bumi ini. Terima kasih untuk pekerjaan baiknya. God bless you, Immanuel.❤
Thank you for the excellent work! Even after all these years Wimber is still being misrepresented and misunderstood. I never met a man more unimpressed with himself. What an amazing time it was.
I attended Tom Stipes church in Devner which was a Vineyard in the 90's that left the Vineyard and became a Calvary Chapel. Tom's two issues with John Wimber was his association with the KC prophets and the mess they left in their wake and Wimbers adherence to post-millenial "triumphalism" theology.
If anyone was a Michael Knott fan he was hurt through that situation in making The Grape Prophet which is an amazing rock opera in the Christian music world back in 1992 when it was released. However there's a Frontline Records rewind on the album that shares what Mike and his wife saw and heard at the time. Mike wasn't perfect but him calling out the KC Prophets was one of his highlights.
That quote at the Kansas City Fellowship is WILD. Bro had wisdom.
@@peterrak4291 right? His whole conference at KC was really good. One of my favorites.
Thank you for clarifying the quote mining Collins used against you. And I truly hope that one day, Collins and his guests will understand that "guilt by association" (their preferred 'modus operandi') is a fallacy in reasoning.
Yeah... this is my primary concern with his work. I hope that Collins can understand better the importance of accurate engagement because I'd hate to see this become the way he does things given that he has some valid concerns out there!
But it was definitely weird finding I had been used to take down Wimber! ha ha.
I was in the Vineyard 28 years. I lived through and watch all that happen. You are correct with the History. I LOVE John! He changed my life with the teachings of The Kingdom of God. ❤
Thanks for this, Luke.
@@nathanrousu1343 my pleasure! Thanks for watching! Gonna try and keep up on these now.
Thank you for addressing these videos that John Collins has but out which often misrepresent others. I do is shocked when I saw him making videos about John Wimber and felt that he had misrepresented Wimber.
@@matthewb252able yeah. His work, including his latest podcast, is hard to take seriously. The guest he recently had should just have said “I’m actually a cessationist fundamentalist now”… and then we could evaluate those biblical texts in question. I mean… Ronald Nash?!? Cmon! Hah.
It’s hard not to make more videos just demonstrating by Wimber and other’s own words just how bad John Collins’ methodology is. Makes me definitely question all of his Branham work.
Nice work Luke!
@@teridean1343 now you know what I do on my day off. Hahaha
Impressive!..... Most impressive!! .....You've been taught well young Luke!!!
Saya orang Indonesia, sekitar 25 tahun yang lalu sangat tertarik dengan pekerjaan dan pelayanan Wimber. Membaca bukunya Power Evangelism an sangat takjub. Namun kenapa dia pergi begitu cepat, dan diselidiki ternyata matinya dengan banyak komplikasi penyakit. Ini sangat menimbulkan keheranan saya yang sangat mendalam dan masih menggantung: kenapa orang yang begitu dahsyat dipakai Tuhan untuk kesembuhan, tetapi mati dengan cara demikian? Apa yang perlu kita pelajari tentang hal ini? Saya tidak bermaksud mengkritik atau membandingkan Wimber dengan misalnya Kenneth Hagin, namun keinginan Hagin dipenuhi Tuhan bahwa ia ingin mati sesudah makan breakfast terenak. Cara pergi yang sangat enak dan baik. Firman Tuhan mengatakan kita perlu melihat/belajar dari kematian orang-orang benar. Kiranya Wimber sudah nyaman di Sorga mendoakan kita-kita yang masih berjuang dengan iman di bumi ini. Terima kasih untuk pekerjaan baiknya. God bless you, Immanuel.❤
Thank you for doing this. I like most of John Collins videos but he clearly didn't do his homework about Wimber.
Great job, Luke.
Thanks! Appreciate you!
Thank you for the excellent work! Even after all these years Wimber is still being misrepresented and misunderstood. I never met a man more unimpressed with himself. What an amazing time it was.
Very good video -
Thank you! Cheers! Appreciate you watching! Stay tuned for next week’s!
I attended Tom Stipes church in Devner which was a Vineyard in the 90's that left the Vineyard and became a Calvary Chapel. Tom's two issues with John Wimber was his association with the KC prophets and the mess they left in their wake and Wimbers adherence to post-millenial "triumphalism" theology.
If anyone was a Michael Knott fan he was hurt through that situation in making The Grape Prophet which is an amazing rock opera in the Christian music world back in 1992 when it was released. However there's a Frontline Records rewind on the album that shares what Mike and his wife saw and heard at the time. Mike wasn't perfect but him calling out the KC Prophets was one of his highlights.
Excellent!
Many thanks!
I viewed the 2nd video today just good good good material.