All right, no good way to ask this, why is Zepher so white? Shouldn’t his skin tone be more of a mixture of Phoebes’ and Esmeralda’s? Zepher looks like Phoebes just asexually reproduced
I'm so glad someone else was thinking it too. He looks way too much like Phoebus and seems to have inherited pretty much no physical traits from Esmeralda, almost to the point where I'd sooner assume that Madeline was his mother had everything else not said otherwise.
To be fair if you look at the first movie both Quasimodo's parent's are shown to be brown skinned (or at the very least his mother definitely is) and yet nobody complains that Quasimodo turns out to be a pale skinned ginger (this has actually always confused me - it's not like Disney even needed to make Quasimodo's mother brown - there are white gypsy's out there ). This movie seems to just be carrying on the tradition.
Just thought I'd add in my two cents-- I'm the product of a mixed marriage (my mom being a darker skinned woman and my father being white) and I turned out practically the same colour as my father-- maybe just one or two makeup shades darker if you want a point of reference. I admit that I'm a rare case, but genetics are weird and things like this can happen. :)
To be fair in the real world genetics are weird but in animated movie land genetics tend to be pretty straight forward in that children just always look like their parents (they certainly don't look like an entirely different race from them). You would never have a white woman and a white man implied you be her husband (as the man who has his arm around Quasimodo's mother at the beginning is implied to be) and then have a brown skinned child. Even if that man's just her brother, mixed race children in animated movies are suppose to look mixed race because it stops confusing scenarios such as this one where people actually question whether the woman at the beginning even was Q's mother because of how little he looks like her.
I can see what the writers were trying to do with this romance: Quasimodo is judged negatively by his ugliness, while Madeline is the other extreme and is judged negatively by her beauty, only seen as a pretty face. That idea by itself could work if the concept of giving the hunchback a girlfriend wasn't so unessessary.
That would be a interesting concept if it was better developed. I actually like quasi and Madeline as a couple. Let's face it, they could have made it worse if they had paired him with a typical Disney princess or a Esmeralda knock off. I like that they at least TRIED to make Madeline a good character. The moments in the film where it's just the two of them are actually kind of sweet. Awkward but cute. But then it gets ruined when they shoehorn all the other useless crap. The shameful animation, the terrible songs, the lame villain, the pointless drama, the stupid side plot about Phoebus being a douche. I know in the novel he was an ass, but COME ON! The other stupid side plot with the bell. This sequel is an insult to the original! And the salt to the wound is that the idea had so much potential, but they just made it a crap sequel to a beautiful masterpiece of a AMAZING DISNEY RENAISSANCE FILM!!!!!! and yes, you could put this film in front of a small child and they would be content, but we could also be content with something good. It doesn't have to be perfect, but they could have at least made it decent.
If that jewelled bell was there from the start, why didn't Quasi show Esmeralda when he was showing her around the bell tower in the first film? "Quasi, what's that bell over there?" "Oh, that's the sequel plot, you don't have to worry about that... yet."
"And wait, why are there all those colourful shadows reflecting off it? I can't see any colours." "Oh, it's got all these jewels on the inside I've never been able to work out if I'm supposed to ring it or not, so I've never done it."
Because he was saving it to show the romantic prize he was actually allowed to achieve (aka Madeleine) (and seriously, that name? I can't imagine a more stereotypical name for a female French character (that isn't something ridiculous or unbelievable like Fifi or something) Why they didn't just say f it and draw her w the book character Madeline's iconic hat, I don't know)
@@wellthatwaswierd4570that’s hilarious, just make Madeline look like Madeline from the books lol. Which is ironic considering there actually is an episode where Madeline almost joined a traveling Romani carnival lol.
Totally insulting to a film that was so edgy during my childhood (still is now!). I swear the returning actors were just barely trying to get through the movie. Disney really had no shame
They lyric is implying that just because you love someone that doesn't mean the feeling is mutual. It sounds stupid I agree, but it makes sense considering his relationship with Esmeralda in the first movie.
I consider this to be the worst Disney sequel ever made. It has little to no understanding of its predecessor, which pretty much makes it pointless. As you said, it practically spits in the face of the original movie. The animation quality is BAD, even for a Disney sequel. The story is generic, and screws with the characters's personalities, Phoebus being especially guilty of this. The new ones aren't particularly interesting, and I cannot stand the villain. This whole movie is terrible. Just stick with the first one, and pretend this one doesn't exist.
This was probably originally going to be some sort of Valentine's special made for TV and then Disney was probably like "Just call it Hunchback 2 and put it straight to DVD."
Well, animation can take a long time to make. However, this does NOT look like it took five years to make. I thought it would've been two or three years.
berrypie11 Sad fact: this movie's production was started at the same time as that of Lion King 2 (one of the better sequels), and THAT movie was completed in the course of only ONE year.
I remember hating this. I was too young to know why but I hated it... Also wouldn't encrusting the inside of a bell ruin the gems? Also stop ruining Phoebus!
It also doesn;t make sense. Why encrust a bell on the INSIDE, no one is gonna see it?! Yeah, I know, it';s symbolism and all that, but how about some practicality?!
Since Quasimodo and Madelaine were both sheltred their whole lives the awkward flirting kind of makes sense, and it could have worked if: - it was intentionally awkward, and i am sure it isn't. it's trying to be cute and endearing but it's mostly just cringe worthy. - If the flirting wasn't just awkard but also funny. - if they ever bonded over their backstory, seriously the movie makes sarouche and madelaine's relationship mirror Frollo and Quasimodo's but it goes absolutly nowhere.
It's called LPCD. Lazy Parent Child Design. You see it a lot in anime. I've seen child design done perfectly only once, with Made in Abyss, where Riko has her mother's long golden hair, but by all accounts looks very much like her father, complete with his seemingly physical weakness as well. My favorite example of bad design comes from Sunday without God, where a girl named Ai is a DIRECT CLONE of her mother; same hair, same eyes, same face, same mannerisms, etc. The ONLY difference between them is her mother styling her bangs ever slightly differently. It's to the point when Ai's father comes to town looking for her mother that he asks AI if she knows who the woman is and doesn't stop to question why the f××× a freaking MINI ME OF THE WOMAN IS STANDING IN FRONT OF HIM.
Gotta love how this sequel had the whole villain-turns-heroes-against-each-other-with-misunderstanding-and-misdirection trope when the original movie actually averted this - when Frollo makes it to the Court of Miracles, he claims that Quasimodo intentionally helped him get there, and Esmerelda doesn't buy it for a second. Le sigh.
This movie angers me on so many levels, like why did they have Madeline save the annoying son of Phoebus and Esmeralda aside for redemption when at best she is a mediocre acrobat when Quasimodo who is so skilled at acrobats that he might as well join the Assassins Order from Assassin’s Creed. While all the art in this movie is atrocious, the thing that suffered the most in this building was the Notre Dame Cathedral. In the first movie the Cathedral was so huge that the two towers pierced the clouds and the detail put into the animation for it was stunning. But in the sequel the building somehow shrunk and became a lot less detailed. Of course the villain sucked, you have Frollo who was a perverted, abusive, and genocidal maniac who believed he was doing the work of God, then this loser from the sequel is just some boring fop who thinks he is gorgeous when he is really not that attractive. Also yes Phoebus in the books was a jerk, but the one in the movies wasn’t, in fact he was a genuinely nice guy which makes the sequel’s depiction of him a joke. Also I have no problem with Quasimodo finding love, but he deserves so much better than this ham fisted love story we were presented with.
You can really tell how bad a villain Sarouce is when you stop to think what would have happened if the villain had won. If Frollo had succeed in the first movie, Esmeralda would have been executed and Quasimodo imprisoned for the rest of his life. If Sarouce had succeeded in the sequel, he would have gotten away with stealing that that giant, gaudy bell that couldn't even ring properly and was hidden away where nobody could look at it anyway. And some pick-pocketing on top of that, truly a horrible villain!
Gertrud Bondesson exactly, Frollo was a much more intimidating villain. It also helped his case that his desire for genocide, emotional abuse towards Quasimodo, and sexual harassment of Esmeralda left me disturbed and disgusted, I think the only other Disney villain that ever left me feeling that disturbed and disgusted was Gaston because of him mocking intelligence, misogyny, sense of entitlement, and thinking that it was perfectly fine to kill someone because the woman he felt entitled to showed that person more interest in him. In fact Gaston was a much better villain who displayed vanity than this loser. Thankfully I don’t really count the Disney straight to DVD sequels really canon to the movies that are so much better in every way. I think the only thing I can give this sequel is the fact that they still have Quasimodo be an accepted member of society and able to go out in public because of his actions in the first movie instead of coming up with a bs reason to have the people of Paris all of the sudden become disgusted and horrified with him again like some bad sequels try to do.
Precisely, and what makes both Frollo and Gaston such memorable villains is that similarly to Dolores Umbridge, we've all met or heard similar people in real life, entitled bigots who abuse their power in the form of judges, teachers or simply being popular, but I doubt many people have met an evil circus leader in real life. Now Maleficent and Jafar are equally unrealistic, but they make up for it with screen presence and charisma. Sarouce meanwhile just talks about how beautiful he is.
whomst this Oh, my gosh! I thought that I was the only one who noticed that! You're right! How could they screw that up so badly? Shit, her name is the Portuguese word for "emerald", which, last I checked, are GREEN!
huh i totally missed that i haven't seen the movie in forever and i missed that. man does this movie remember anything right about the first hunchback movie.
Of all the many, many, many things wrong with this film, the greatest drop in quality has to be the score. I personally think that Hunchback has the best score in any Disney film (despite the existence of "A Guy Like You") and this is bad even by cheapquel standards.
IKR? Actually I didn’t mind the opening song (however it’s spelled) despite its so cheesy as a “Valentine’s Day” song, and An Ordinary Miracle wasn’t that bad. No joke, there are way worse songs in other sequels
I hate this movie so much that I can muster ten sins of my own for it: 1. Failed understanding of its source material/ Obvious downgrade (or even moreover the fact that this movie even exists, as it is not their most popular, and definitely one of the more controversial). 2. All the damn songs! (Save for the opening one which is tolerable, but ultimately forgettable) 3. Zephyr 4. La Fidale and it's metaphor with how stupid this movie treats its audience. 5. The fix-it fix that I feel significantly downgrades Quasi's character. 6. Sarouche 7. Madeline and Quasi's awkward talk that almost makes the High School Musical universe seem plausible. 8. Phoebus' character derailment (I feel that it was leaning towards a case of 'Ron the Deatheater') 9. The Gargoyles are back and worse than ever (Although they do have a moment at the end where their mouths literally detach and drop to the ground, the funniest they've ever been-though sadly not enough to be a saving grace) 10. The failed attempt at a climax. We've learned a little while back that the animation was by TMS (best known for 'Batman: the Animated Series', 'Pinkie and the Brain', 'Animaniacs', and 'Akira'). These are very talented animators just not allowed to be used to their full potential. What a waste! (Then again, I've known several other talented animators and artists being forced to animated crap!) Also, I agree that Achilles is too good for this movie-he's the only one to have anything resembling entertainment.
The ironic thing is that, in this flick, they're aiming for "Oh Phoebus! You unintentionally prejudiced man! You're being too harsh and judgmental and you must admit that you were in the wrong!" when he was right about...literally everything? The circus workers were stealing from people? Madeline was originally just using Quasi? It's really faulty if you look into it, but I think we've all analyzed this movie enough.
Actually, the information on who did the animation is wrong. The animation in this film was actually done by the now-defunct Disney Animation Japan. But some of the workers used to work at TMS and Toei Co LTD.
What also made Quasimodo falling in love with Madeleine after one meeting is that there’s no good reason for it. He fell for Esmarelda in the original because she was the first person to show him kindness without caring much for his appearance while also challenging Frollo’s assertion that he was a monster. Madeleine just made some awkward jokes and ran away when she saw his face. While it’s not impossible to still fall in love, it shouldn’t have been as quick or as hard as it was in the original.
Same. It always irritated me so much that Madeline doesn’t try to apologize for running away in horror or forcing him to show his face to her when he clearly didn’t want to. Legit, she runs away and almost screams at him, but he’s all of a sudden deeply in love with her?? What? Come on, I get he knows some people aren’t going to accept his looks and stuff, but why is this still bugging him?? Yeah its sad, but he’s gotten over he can’t change his appearance, but he can control how he treats others. Doesn’t help Madeline is literally FORCED to keep flirting with him, she doesn’t voluntarily suck it up and gradually realizes she massively misjudged him and deep down he’s a pretty cool dude, especially in comparison to Gaston’s knockoff
I did read a fic where their first meeting plays out pretty much the same (lame jokes and all), but in that one, Madeline actually went back to apologize. The circumstances of their meeting was somewhat different, though.
Off the top of my head: being the son of gypsies, Quasimodo has the gypsy spirit, wishing to see more of the world. But he's duty-bound to the tower and the bells, as he truly has come to love them and how they've shaped him as a person. He is able to quell the gypsy spirit and remain content at his duties, especially now that he's allowed to venture outside the belltower. So when the Romani come back to Paris after several years, Quasimodo goes with Esmeralda to greet them in the catacombs, as they're still somewhat feared and disrespected even after Frolo is gone. He feels at ease with them and befriends a few of them, including a young woman who adores Paris and wishes she could remain. When she finds out Quasimodo lives at the top of the bell tower, she begs Esmeralda to convince him to bring her up there so she can see the city in all its glory just once. This gives a parallel to the original with someone on the outside wishing for something Quasimodo took for granted' the astoundingly beautiful Notre Dame tower, its magnificent bells and the breathtaking view of the city that most never get to see in their lifetimes. Under better circumstances, it might have been an amazing place to live for him. This young woman is initially a little put off by Quasimodo who reluctantly agrees to sneak her up there, but she slowly learns to swallow her fear of his appearance, especially when he fulfills his promise and shows her the view of the city from the top of the tower. Instantly smitten, she is reluctant to leave, but does so, asking if she can return. Quasimodo reluctantly agrees. So, several scenes of her visiting and the two of them getting to know each other better, in a short time, they've become fast friends. Esmeralda continues to encourage this friendship, while feeling guilty because she knows the Romani can't stay. Tensions are rising again and the citizens who accept the Romani are at odds with the citizens who don't. By this point in time, Quasimodo and 'Emma' (as I'm calling her for convenience) are beginning to fall for each other and 'Emma' is using her fascination with the church and the city as a half excuse just to visit him. Once again, as a civil disruption erupts in the city, Quasimodo is forced to help Emma escape, lest she wind up trapped just like Esmeralda was. They make it out of the city and Emma begs him to come with her, to escape with the Romani. Quasimodo is left with a choice. Now, standing just at the reaches of the outer limits of the city, for the first time, he feels the pull of the road, of the gypsy spirit, as well as his love for Emma. But he also feels his love for the city of Paris and his newfound friends within, as well as the fear of what he might find out on the road. He tells her he wants to leave, but he feels that he needs to learn how, first, how to let go and how to step away from something he cares for in order to learn how to care for something else. He feels Paris still needs him. Emma then chooses to stay with him, stating that the Romani always return to the city and she has grown to love it just as he does. Until the Romani return, she will remain with Quasimodo and when they do, perhaps one day, they'll both be ready to face the open road together. AND THIS WAS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO WRITE MORE OR LESS PROMISING IDEAS!!
that is a millions times better then this crappy sequel we got. it is dramatic, yet the romance feels real, it has a bitter sweetness to it. this should have been the movie we got i love it.
I saw this comment years ago, and I still remember the idea! Idk if you even remember it, but dangit, if you don't write a fanfiction about this, I will! Because it's a damn good idea
@@fayz655Know what? I think I will! It’ll give me an excuse to rewatch the first movie again for inspiration which my husband certainly won’t complain about 😂
8:37 That woman's earlobes would be torn in reality from the way he yanks the earring out. Thank god this is just crappy animation, though, and not live action.
Even the bells sound like they can't stand to be in this movie. Also, bless you for your comment on the animation! I went to college for animation and illustration and while I'm more well-versed in the latter category, I know bad animation when I see it and while this isn't the worst animation that I've seen (don't ask) it's a real slap in the face compared to its predecessor. But, okay, that bit with Achilles was pretty funny.
It was done by Disney Japan who still had inferior Xerox technology while the other Disney divisions had moved on to digital paint and ink like Disney Canada that did Beauty and the Beast Christmas and the original film was done using CAPS so thats why this looked bad.
Oh, no Diva. See, Disney HAS to remind people of their much better movies via Easter eggs so that people who were unlucky enough to have this be their first disney movie realize, "Huh. That first one was really misleading. This is awesome!"
16:25 Not to mention that Madeline is apparently too stupid to realize how capable a Quasi is of defending himself-he hoisted Phoebus (fully-armored, mind you) off the floor in the first movie for crying out loud!
I watched Lindsey Ellis's video on Hunchback, but even if he could buy into the way Disney did his work, but I'm very certain he would turn over in his grave about THIS.
Riley Rivalle Funnily enough, the Dingo Pictures version is the one that actually keeps the most from the original novel. Proof that sticking to the source material doesn't necessarily make the adaption good.
Riley Rivalle As bad as the Dingo Pictures version was, I at least give it some (key word here being some) credit for sticking to the plot of the novel. With Golden Films I was just left wondering 'what the fuck did I just watch?' It's also a prime example of, to quote a phrase from MST3K "They just didn't care."
How to fix this movie: *Put more budget and effort in the animation. *Tone down Zephyr and the gargoyles a bit. *Have a darker villain with some sort of prejudice of downright evil intentions like Frollo had. *Instead of a bell filled with jewels, let’s have a bell that looks weird, rusty or worn but has a beautiful ringing. *Don’t exaggerate the romantic themes and stop slapping poor Quasi with the “you don’t have a girlfriend” thing. *Deepen Madellaine’s character. *And lastly, put more heart and inspiration in your songs. If you have trouble, ask a profesional composer for help.
8:12 WHY TF ARE HER EYES BLUE?? HER NAME IS LITERALLY *E S M E R A L D A* AND THEY MADE HER EYES BLUE DID THEY EVEN SEE THE ORIGINAL *2 minutes later* _QUASI'S EYES ARE BLUE TOO WHAT iS THIS_
Hey, I rather deal with the little twerp then deal with the lame ass villain. I'm not even going to say his name. Seriously though, they couldn't even tone the kid down just a little?
I guess the whole idea with Madeleine is that she's under Sarouch's control in a realistic abusive relationship. It happens that victims of abuse don't do anything to escape because they feel they'll never get away. They don't call the authorities, don't ask for help, don't tell their friends and family. I feel like that's what they were going for. But they failed because it was too dark. Also, I would have given a sin to Achilles' out of nowhere lady. Why?
Disney succeeded in the first movie. They failed here because the whole thing, from introducing the relationship to having Madeline break free, was badly-written.
I mean, part of the problem is Madeline doesn’t really have a story to how she met him aside being a small kid who tried stealing some money for food and he made her a part of the circus as payment. But the problem is he isn’t forcing her to stay in the circus or anything, she is free to leave at anytime but doesn’t. But the other problem is why she doesn’t just tell Quasi or Phoebus about his plans to steal La Fidelle? No one is truly in huge danger if she snitched. But another problem Madeline has is she claims she hates being a thief and scamming innocent people of their money, BUT the movie never shows her being a genuinely good person who wants to escape the circus. Maybe she gives a kid free food or admission to the circus or steals back the stolen goods and turns it in? Its called show don’t tell for a reason. One of the biggest problems I have with Quasi and Madeline as a couple is the fact Madeline is FORCED to interact with him and at first tries refusing because he’s ugly. She literally spies on him with Zephyr and basically has to prove to herself Quasi is genuinely a cool guy who loves kids. But, the other problem is: her relationship with Saruge is supposed to mirror Quasi’s relationship with Frollo, but the movie NEVER mentions Frollo or how Quasi escaped his abusive foster father. And the worst part is Maddie doesn’t actually have any dreams or ambitions for when she leaves the circus. All she wants is: walk the tightrope. She doesn’t have any dreams of what she wants to do to make her a steady income to be independent of Saruge’s free food and shelter. So yeah, Madeline is a very poorly written character who unfortunately also has a lot of problematic elements which makes it even harder to ship her and Quasi as a couple
That's one of this movie's major flaws. It wants us to be angry at Phoebus for his assumptions (even having him say he was wrong) but make him right to distrust the circus. It's a good example of how little the film makers cared about the end product.
Sheridan Mann The film repeatedly compares Phoebus's distrust of the carnival to the racism against gypsies and has Phoebus literally say "I was wrong about everything" at the end of the movie assuming that Madeline doing the right thing was enough to prove him wrong. How is that not the movie butchering it's message that judging people is wrong?
Yes, the all too annoying “Angry character was right all along” trope. It’s almost like “You’re just jealous” and “You should just quit being grumpy” aren’t actual criticisms, and every character criticizing the angry ones need their heads removed from their asses.
La Fidel would have worked better as a smaller bell - like, no bigger than a bowling ball. It gets locked up until the festival, then carted to the Cathedral in a ritual parade, where Quasi is in charge of inspection and cleaning. Suspending logic, the bell is rung on the Day to entice the Spirit of L'Amour to Paris, where it is believed she will help in finding lovers and spouses. Scaramoosh (or whoever) wants the bell for the value of the pretties, his theft of it brings fear, paranoia and pettiness to the citizens, and Quasi and Maddie join forces with the others to undo the damage, along the way learning that there's more to love than flowery speeches and whatnot. You can then either have a blossoming QM relationship, a sense of familial love, or the beginnings of a beautiful friendship.
To be fair, my bestie’s friend is of Native American descent and completely looks like it, but she completely resembles her dad and has blonde hair and blue eyes lol
What’s especially odd is that one of the people that were like “why did Quasimodo get friend zone?” Were some parents of all people because apparently they felt that him not getting the girl was sending a bad message or...something. I don’t know parent groups are weird
That's always bothered me. Quasimodo was the one who overcame a prejudice against the gipsies (instilled in him by Frollo). Phoebus was the least prejudiced person in the entire story
I strongly agree. I think they pretty messed up Phoebus and Esmeralda in the sequel. In the first movie Pheb didn't prejudice the Romani (now he prejudice the carnies and compares it to them) Esmeralda was a streetsmart character (now she is pretty naive and dump). I like that a lot they showed as a happy family but their character is the opposite what it was in the first movie.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame 2, the movie that proves that even Disney themselves can make cheap mockbusters of their own films! Seriously, it isn't good when I have to say that Dingo Pictures' shockingly accurate adaptation of the Hunchback is more watchable than Disney's official sequel to their beloved adaptation that was made in 2000 and not released until 2002...
What about Golden Films' adaptation? Is it probably worse than Hunchback 2? I might guess so. That's the Hunchback adaptation where Quasimodo becomes *HANDSOME!* And he wasn't even that ugly looking in the first place! Not to mention the animation is more limited and error-ridden/lazy.
The first Hunchback of notre dame took my breath away, and even after twenty years it still dose as an adult.The second one was awful to watch, god I only made it halfway through before I had to turn it off.
I watched the first movie on Disney+ and I Loved it. I was interested watching the sequel, but then I realized that the animation is a total downgrade and I haven’t even finished going through the first half of the movie lol Thank god I skipped the rest of it :p
Huh I haven't seen anyone cover this since MrEnter talked about it back on October 3rd 2013 (Except Doug Walker during that one Disneycember where he covered the cheapquels) MAN I can't believe how far he's come since that review came out as well. Even though I don't think his content is perfect by any means.
tim5fl FINALLY Someone who sees Mr. Enter as not a perfect critic, but doesn't treat him like he's the worst human in existence. I mean I know he had a lot of faults in his early days, but I really don't understand all of the current hate he gets.
tim5fl I've watched part of Turkey Tom's video on MrEnter but never got around to finishing it. I will watch it after her review on this trainwreck. EDIT: Oops. I was thinking of his video about the cartoon community that mentioned MrEnter.
Wait... did I imagine Madeline being blind..? I could’ve sworn that there was a Hunchback movie with a blind love interest who couldn’t see his deformity Then again I never actually saw this movie so whatever
@@xxkewldudexx There might also be a Hunchback movie with a blind woman who falls in love with Quasimodo. Blind people who befriend deformed or monstrous people because they can't tell they're different is a pretty common trope.
So, I'm playing Frollo in a community theater. I WAS nervous but after seeing this, I know that no matter how hard I fail, nothing can be worse than this sequal. Thank you for my peace of mind.
Another Sin I thought: Quasimodo basically has freaking super powers in this one? Like in the first he was believably strong because of years of bellringing and climbing. In this film he can casually jump 25 feet across a street and lift a huge metal bell one handed
As a kid I saw the teaser trailer where Jennifer Love Hewitt describes Madeline, and having not seen the first movie yet I thought she would be suffering depression, no self esteem, was possibly even suicidal, and Quasimodo gradually helps her through the course of time to see her self worth. No villain involved. I don't care if it's too dark. The first movie touched on lust, racism, genocide, and so on; I don't see why the sequel couldn't touch up on regaining self esteem, self abuse, and redemption.
joyunicycle Simple: because the first movie wasn't that well-received upon its release for all its dark subject matter, so whatever the reason be for them wanting to make a sequel, God forbid they want to touch on anything even REMOTELY controversial...Yeah, this movie has been a particular thorn in my side for such a long time now, largely because I think the original deserves much MUCH better-and fortunately, in recent years, it has been getting its fair due (even Alan Menken wants to do his score and story in live-action.)
I will admit that Les Miserables is my favorite novel, but certain parts definitely dragged (was a discussion about sewers really necessary). A very fitting punishment to have to read that and other parts forever.
I mean, Quasi can casually lift concrete gargoyles (whatever they’re made of) and casually lifted a dang bell to let them out, and bells are fricking heavy.
@@kristinahuchison2511 Not everyone can be a Victor Hugo protagonist; there might be as few as eleven in all of France, depending on how narrowly you define "protagonist".
Sarouche also rips off Gaston by being obsessed with a "Bell". Also his plot to steal the bell is more of Team Rocket levels of villainy. (I mean like Jessie, James, Meowth and Wobbuffet!)
I watched this movie literally one time (even as a kid I didn't want a repeat watch of it) when my mom bought my sisters and I the VHS when we were children and I hated it back then too because of how bad the writing and music was and the villain... the funny thing is watching this review, your summary actually makes SOME of the plot elements feel like they could have worked if the movie wasn't crap. First off, the animation is rubbery, that's not inherently a bad thing; but when Quasimodo's and Phoebus were talking to Esmeralda they all had heads that were disproportionate to each other (it wasn't even the only weird moment where the proportions are off). I could do without Phoebus being an ass, Zephyr being an accessory, and Madeline being 1-dimensional (I actually like the idea of a serious movie giving Quasi a love interest, but they could have done better than the cliches they used), and the villain being entirely without charisma and zest (there's a reason Frollo, a sexually-repressed old man, has OODLES of fangirls and that comes from his originality).
Esmeralda and Phoebus never decided to wear any different clothing or something? You'd think Esmeralda would get some new clothing from her husbando, right? Or she would get rid of the clothing that's easily associated with the less happy part of her life. It also feels like the villain was designed to look like his usual self but they last minute decided that he had to be ugly, so they made him weird and pasted a belly onto his body.
Yeah, they could’ve made their love relationship more realistic and original as possible instead of making it some sort of a Beauty And The Beast rip off giving it the same message but executed in a very bad way possible. :(
I think he did. One of the guards harassing her did say that "Gypsies don't earn money!" and just by looking at her, he would've known that she's Romani.
I'd be surprised if he didn't realize Esmeralda was Romani. Disney's version doesn't exactly look like a white girl stolen by the eevul gypsies, a la the original novel.
Phoebus always knew she was a gypsy. It’s literally why he got upset of Quasi refusing to go to the Court of Miracles with him (literally a safe haven for the Romani) even if he didn’t know up until that moment, during the song it literally shows the entire crowd being Romani people hiding and Esmerelda apologizing for them not saying thank you or their rude welcome.
4:51 Okay, pausing here to ask how the hell Sarouche intends to steal La Fidel? It's 10 feet tall, 15 feet wide, jewel encrusted, and made of solid brass. This thing weighs at least half a ton. And it's in a tall ass bell tower! Does he plan demolish the cathedral? Does he have a 100 foot tall siege engine, or a crane, he intends to roll up with?
The worst thing about the romantic interest thing is that Quasi not getting the girl as it were was a huge part of his character arc. He lets go of his physical dependence on Frollo, his abusive adoptive father, and also his emotional dependence on Esmeralda. It's also another contrast to Frollo- Frollo will kill Esmeralda if she won't be his, while Quasi is able to accept that she is her own person and deserves to choose for herself.
True, but it also led to the unfortunate implication that Quasimodo isn’t worthy of love because he’s deformed and disabled. He should be forever alone. Yes, being single isn’t a bad thing, but why doesn’t that also apply to Esmeralda? Is it because Esmeralda is a conventionally attractive able-bodied woman who is worthy of romance, whereas Quasimodo is an ugly hunchback who isn’t worthy of romance?
@@Mogwai-fy7ut that's not what they're implying. Phoebus was the only one who saw her as a person. Frollo saw her as a demon, Quasi saw her as an angel. It's the Madonna/whore complex. Neither is healthy.
I mean, I actually like the idea of Quasi finding his own romance in time. Even in the first movie I have mixed feelings about Phoebus winning Esmerelda’s love instead. One, he’s a pretty big jerk in the original book and is sadly the reason why Es dies in the book. And two, I always felt he was more just in the movie as a generic good guy who didn’t have much of a purpose aside being why Esmerelda doesn’t end up with Quasi. It kinda gives off this very bad implication only hot guys win hot girls and nerdy/plain looking guys shouldn’t try to date hot girls out of their league. Like Quasi does a ton to help Esmerelda, and she still ends up with a dude who doesn’t really do much aside leading the charge against Frollo in the final battle. I do agree Phoebus is a better fit for Esmerelda’s feisty and rebellious personality and what she wants in life, but it always kinda struck me he was attracted her beauty and feisty personality instead of genuinely wanting to help her people survive his boss’s cruel orders. I really hate how all three characters are basically dumbed down so much in this movie, and Esmerelda herself only appears for like 1/3 of the movie, Phoebus, the gargoyles and Zephyr appear so much more than her. And she doesn’t actually have a story aside being a mom and still dancing for money. I don’t like how they further leaned into stereotypes for her character, as shown with the crystal ball scene to tell Quasi how to tell Maddie he loves her. This movie just made both Esmerelda and Phoebus pretty unlikable, and Quasi a bumbling buffoon who all of a sudden is tongue twisted around attractive girls
The climax of this movie was so stupid. I don't know why Phoebus complied with Sarousch holding Zephyr hostage. First of all, Phoebus had him severely outnumbered. It was thirty nine or twenty (ah, who's counting!) soldiers against one carnie. Plus, Sarousch wasn't holding a knife to Zephyr or threatening to drown him. He was just holding him (in Madeleine's reach, no less!).
I like the Les Miserables punishment. There should be more awareness about the giant dissertations on the Paris sewers jammed into the middle of the barricade scene.
The sequel would be better if the villain was inspired by someone in the novel (Jacques Charmoulue, anyone?) or how the heros deel with the aftermath of the first movie: i.e: the Minister is dead and needs a replacement, Esmeralda becomes Pheobus's wife, with all that it entails, Quasimodo lost his paternal figure, and even though Frollo was mostly abusive to Quasi, he still raised him. So for Quasimodo, the events would have been pretty tough to swollow. Also, the mini-civil war caused massive damage to the city, and rebuilding would be a big issue. It would have been pretty slice-of-life-ish, but it would have made sense. What happened in the first movie would have left our heros in a vulnerable position.
Another movie with Jennifer Love Hewitt in it you should check out is The Adventures of Tom Thumb and Thumbelina. That’d be interesting to see you talk about
I loved the hunchback as a child and remembered enjoying the bell scene from the second movie. Tonight I rewatched the first movie and I actually did tear up at several points, from the crescendo of the opening song ,to Quasimodo crying sanctuary while holding up Esmeralda. Its art, cinematography, music and characters were beautiful and it lived up to my childhood memories. Then I began to watch the sequel. I’m not kidding when I say I looked at scathing reviews for it as the opening number played out. The art style alone had me feeling sick to think they would do this to something that once was so dark and beautiful... and I thought the sequel to Pocahontas was bad.
IKR? Pocahontas 2 is a massive nightmare on so many levels, but one of the things I absolutely cannot stand was how degrading the art quality was, ESPECIALLY when it came to the Native American characters. Pocahontas for some reason looks younger (more like a teen instead of a twenty something year old I presume) the winter festival scene literally is jammed pack with Indigenous stereotypes, considering all the characters have feathers in their hair, you have a super fat guy, and oh course Utti being the stereotypical big nose, ears, lips and staggering height, who doesn’t talk. But another thing was when it came to any crowd characters or reprising characters like Nakoma or Powhatan (with the exception of Rolfe) ALL the characters aside Queen Anne have these super ridiculous caricatures instead of the more realistic artstyle of the original movie. Pocahontas 2 was just a huge headache and deserves all the hate it gets
I was wondering when you were going to rake this sucker over the coals (pun intended) and I was not disappointed. Wonderful job. Man, what did they do to Pheobus in this one? Say what you will about him in the first movie...but at least he has an arc from a man who is disgusted with his orders but will obey them to one who is willing to break the law and stand up for the oppressed even if it goes against his orders (this is expanded upon in the stage version where he is ambitious enough to keep this job because it keeps him away from the battlefields he had just escaped from). Why is he suddenly against the "carnies" in this one?
Or the whole "Let's go into a detailed analysis of the Battle of Waterloo for no real reason other than a brief interaction that takes place in the last two pages of the section."
And say what you will about Quasimodo not gettin' the girl in the last flick, but at least he and everyone else, minus Frollo, made it out alive unlike in the novel or in the Broadway version of the Hunchback
I have two headcanons about this movie. (Because you have nothing better to do while watching it than creating the funniest explanations for its weirder elements.) 1. Quasimodo hates the Festival L'Amour bell-ringing not because he's lonely, but because he hates listening to La Fidele "ring". He just doesn't want to insult the most famous bell in Paris. 2. Sarouche is actually a magician. How else could he have stolen the bell? (He probably learned from the same master that Mickey did.)
Hunchback Original was awesome, one of my favorite Disney movies of ALL time. An animated masterpiece, mix of the darkness of the original story and an incredible soundtrack. The sequel....er.
Well, since I ranted about Forte in the Beauty and the Beast christmas review, why not rant about another musical instrument xD Ok... La Fidel.... is a horrible idea!! Skipping over the fact those jewels are obviously glass or crystal (because no way anyone could afford dinner plate-sized jewels and not rule the entire economy of the planet to do so), the first time you ring this suposedly-rung-every-year bell, every single gem would crack and rain fragments everywhere by the vibrations and the giant pendulum hitting the walls like a battering ram! Plus the shapes sculpted into the bell's insides would ruin the sound. This bell would not only have a shattered inside, the sound would be atrocious! Even if the outside was all bejeweld, the vibrations would still make the gems crack and fall off. Thats why you don't see traditional musical instruments decorated, their surface is part of their fine tuning. For some reason Disney sequels never do their homework when it comes to technical details.
Can't think of another channel where the number of subs is so disproportionate to the amount of work and love that goes into the content. It's maybe because musicals is a fairly niche topic, but in a fair world this channel will be blowing up soon - I can't think of a channel that deserves it more.
Great review and I agree that this movie is AWFUL! However, I will defend Madellaine as a character and her relationship with Quasimodo. First, I love how Madellaine is a socially awkward person and unlike other heroines that are like this (Anna and Rapunzel) it's not as forced and feels more natural and realistic. She has her own goals, has to stay with her employer to survive and not get thrown into jail (Back then, so much as stealing bread got you thrown in jail for years and branded for life), and has a fleshed out character. The romance is well-done in my opinion, though it deserves a MUCH better movie. Could Madellaine and the romance have been better? Yeah, but the same can be said about other beloved characters and romances. Also, I fail to see how Laverne is annoying to anyone because I think she's the perfect amount of serious and comedic but I don't go into detail because I know you won't read or respond to my comment. However, I will share a fan-made plot I have for what I'd do if I got to remake this terrible sequel, which I hope to do someday, despite the SLIM chance that you'll actually read and reply to this (Not your fault, you're a demon, so you don't do fair lol). Anyway, Frollo’s brother Jehan (Who was in the book) receives news of his brother’s death and that Quasimodo, Esmeralda, and Phoebus were responsible. So he plots his revenge by pretending to be a Lord (Since none of them have ever seen him) and plans on killing the three. But to have Quasimodo especially pay, he uses his servant girl Madellaine to pretend to be in love with him and then reveal it was all a lie. She doesn’t want to at first but Jehan threatens to hurt or even kill her little brother by lashing him with a whip. She agrees in order to protect the only family she has left but while she was frightened by Quasi at first, eventually falls in love with him. Jehan also is doing all of this in order to make up for his sins of being with prostitutes and not being the man his brother wanted him to be. He even turns to some gypsies for help (Who are resentful of Esmeralda for marrying Pheobus and therefore turning her back on her people), and Jehan did mingle with gypsies in the book, but as soon as they're of no further use to him, plans on killing them and carry on his brother's mission to rid the world of the "gypsy filth."
I'd definitely love for everyone to do that. Thank you very much! I'd also like to be able to work for Disney and make it a reality but at this moment that's asking a little too much. Hopefully, someday I can make it a reality.
One major problem I noticed with this movie. The Hunchback of Notre Dame takes place in 1482, which means that this movie takes place about five years later or so, give or take. Meanwhile, the first modern circus as we know it today and as its featured here in this movie wasn't staged until the late 1700's. what the heck were they thinking??
I speak a little latin, so I can translate the villainous reveal flair: Ave mysterium (Hail the mystery!) Obscuro tintinnabulum. (I am concealing the small bell) mirabile visum (Miraculous sight) ecce hoc facto! (Behold this fact!) The character (or more likely, the writer) isn't speaking latin very well, as the word used for bell only refers to small, hand-held bells. If we're going with medieval latin, the word he used should have been 'campana' rather than 'tintinnabulum.'
Just be glad this movie didn’t ruin Clopin! I mean they did him less screen time.... (and in my opinion it looks like they made his skin and Esmeralda’s skin a few shades lighter than in the original, that just bothers me) But they also claimed the Valentines Day rip-off was Clopin’s favorite holiday. Wrong! It’s the Feast of Fools! And kinda dropped the darker side of his personality, and the darker humor that came with it. Okay, yeah, they couldn’t save Clopin from this awful movie either...
We gonna ignore pretty much all the Romani people except Esmerelda, Clopin, Quasi and somewhat Zephyr are straight up gone?? The movie doesn’t even try to explain if the community from the Court of Miracles left after Frollo’s defeat. I actually thought it would’ve been interesting if the sequel was about Esmerelda’s family moving to another city because her Romani family is leaving with their community, and Quasi is really sad to see his friends leave
I gotta disagree with one thing here: while it is good for Disney to show that its okay to be "just" friends with your crush, they picked the WORST hero to learn that lesson! Disabled people are not taught that they deserve a happily ever after- they're taught that they won't get one, so don't try. While the sequel certainly didn't pull off the love story very well, it is good that Disney remembered to give Quasimodo equal treatment to the other Disney princes.
If that's what you got from the first movie, you missed the first movie entirely. Being disabled doesn't make Quasimodo more deserving of love. The first movie shows you don't need a love interest to be happy.
While I would like to see more disabled people who find love in media (as a disabled person myself), I think the lesson of the first film is a good one. Besides, it serves as a deconstruction of the Madonna/Whore complex; there are three men who are infatuated with Esmeralda, but the only one of them who sees her for who she is (Phoebus; Frollo demonized her [the "Whore"] while Quasi idealized* her [the "Madonna]), is the one who she ends up with. *Not saying that's bad or not understandable; speaking as a person who was also emotionally abused as a child, we do have a tendency to idealize people who are nice to us (I'm getting therapy, some I'm luckily getting better with that).
@@ChristineTheHippie Then why does Esmeralda end up with Phoebus? You can’t say that you don’t need romance in your life to be happy, but then only apply it to the *ugly, disabled protagonist.* Why not also apply that to the conventionally attractive and able-bodied Esmeralda? Besides, it creates the unfortunate implication that romantic love is only something *attractive and able-bodied people* can have.
@@ChristineTheHippie Had they made Quasimodo *able-bodied and attractive,* then I would agree with your point, since it’s clear that Esmeralda rejected him due to his tendency to put her on a pedestal, not because of his appearance. BUT the truth is that no matter how much you spin it, Quasimodo’s *ugliness and disability* will always be one of the many, MANY reasons that Esmeralda rejected him. Of course, Esmeralda would go for the handsome, able-bodied Phoebus instead of the ugly, deformed Quasimodo because that’s what an ableist, lookist society teaches us. Yes, you don’t need romance in your life to be happy, but why is that message always directed at people who are *ugly or disabled?* Is it because ugly people and disabled people are not meant to be in romantic relationships, so they should just accept their lot in life? Wouldn’t that message have been stronger had they made the conventionally attractive, able-bodied Esmeralda single? Why does Esmeralda and Phoebus get to have a romance? But not Quasimodo? It’s like a rich person telling a poor person that they don’t need money in their life to be happy. It’s hypocritical BS! Of course, the “good” guy who treats Esmeralda as a person is handsome and able-bodied, and the “bad” guy who treats Esmeralda as an angel is ugly and disabled.
I absolutely adore how this film tries to indicate that Phoebus is being racist towards clowns, and how it keeps comparing his distrust of the circus troupe to the discrimination against the Romani in the first film, AND how he ends up being right. It's such an absolute clustercuss, it's glorious.
I know that the manipulating villain to get the girl to do what he wants genre sucks, but how come it worked in Stuart Little 2, and not the hunchback of notre dame 2?
Well, that's because Faclon threatends Margalo to do these things, like getting Mrs. Little's ring, if she's doesn't, Stuart would been eaten, which is really a dark thing and that's what made Faclon a threatening villain, plus his motivations and actions made a little sense. Sarousch's motivations on stealing La Fidele is just ridiculous.
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All right, no good way to ask this, why is Zepher so white? Shouldn’t his skin tone be more of a mixture of Phoebes’ and Esmeralda’s? Zepher looks like Phoebes just asexually reproduced
I'm so glad someone else was thinking it too. He looks way too much like Phoebus and seems to have inherited pretty much no physical traits from Esmeralda, almost to the point where I'd sooner assume that Madeline was his mother had everything else not said otherwise.
To be fair if you look at the first movie both Quasimodo's parent's are shown to be brown skinned (or at the very least his mother definitely is) and yet nobody complains that Quasimodo turns out to be a pale skinned ginger (this has actually always confused me - it's not like Disney even needed to make Quasimodo's mother brown - there are white gypsy's out there ). This movie seems to just be carrying on the tradition.
Just thought I'd add in my two cents-- I'm the product of a mixed marriage (my mom being a darker skinned woman and my father being white) and I turned out practically the same colour as my father-- maybe just one or two makeup shades darker if you want a point of reference. I admit that I'm a rare case, but genetics are weird and things like this can happen. :)
To be fair in the real world genetics are weird but in animated movie land genetics tend to be pretty straight forward in that children just always look like their parents (they certainly don't look like an entirely different race from them). You would never have a white woman and a white man implied you be her husband (as the man who has his arm around Quasimodo's mother at the beginning is implied to be) and then have a brown skinned child. Even if that man's just her brother, mixed race children in animated movies are suppose to look mixed race because it stops confusing scenarios such as this one where people actually question whether the woman at the beginning even was Q's mother because of how little he looks like her.
I'm a mixed-race African American. I have a sister lighter than both our parents, and a niece, by another sister, who is darker than both her parents.
I can see what the writers were trying to do with this romance: Quasimodo is judged negatively by his ugliness, while Madeline is the other extreme and is judged negatively by her beauty, only seen as a pretty face. That idea by itself could work if the concept of giving the hunchback a girlfriend wasn't so unessessary.
Wow, you just made me ship it. ;w;
Fuglsang exactly smh 🤦🏾♂️
Good on concept. Execution?
I could probably deal with it if the movie was any good
That would be a interesting concept if it was better developed. I actually like quasi and Madeline as a couple. Let's face it, they could have made it worse if they had paired him with a typical Disney princess or a Esmeralda knock off. I like that they at least TRIED to make Madeline a good character. The moments in the film where it's just the two of them are actually kind of sweet. Awkward but cute. But then it gets ruined when they shoehorn all the other useless crap. The shameful animation, the terrible songs, the lame villain, the pointless drama, the stupid side plot about Phoebus being a douche. I know in the novel he was an ass, but COME ON! The other stupid side plot with the bell. This sequel is an insult to the original! And the salt to the wound is that the idea had so much potential, but they just made it a crap sequel to a beautiful masterpiece of a AMAZING DISNEY RENAISSANCE FILM!!!!!! and yes, you could put this film in front of a small child and they would be content, but we could also be content with something good. It doesn't have to be perfect, but they could have at least made it decent.
Right? They should have man an original movie with that concept, not a sequel.
If that jewelled bell was there from the start, why didn't Quasi show Esmeralda when he was showing her around the bell tower in the first film? "Quasi, what's that bell over there?" "Oh, that's the sequel plot, you don't have to worry about that... yet."
Also, do they not know how bells works? Ding. Shatter.
Hahaha
"And wait, why are there all those colourful shadows reflecting off it? I can't see any colours."
"Oh, it's got all these jewels on the inside I've never been able to work out if I'm supposed to ring it or not, so I've never done it."
Because he was saving it to show the romantic prize he was actually allowed to achieve (aka Madeleine) (and seriously, that name? I can't imagine a more stereotypical name for a female French character (that isn't something ridiculous or unbelievable like Fifi or something) Why they didn't just say f it and draw her w the book character Madeline's iconic hat, I don't know)
@@wellthatwaswierd4570that’s hilarious, just make Madeline look like Madeline from the books lol. Which is ironic considering there actually is an episode where Madeline almost joined a traveling Romani carnival lol.
Hunchback is one of the best animated films ever made. This sequel was a straight up slap in the face.
hermione10663 The sequel is about on par with the cheap knock offs made to cash in on the first movie.
@powerstar 2028 nobody asked
The sequel is blasphemy to the creative arts. Its heresy to make a sequel that has crappy animation.
"The Sequel Nobody Asked"
Dis is a insult
As someone who lists “Hunchback” in her top three Disney movies, this actually hurts my heart to watch.
This sequel hurts my inner body
Totally insulting to a film that was so edgy during my childhood (still is now!). I swear the returning actors were just barely trying to get through the movie. Disney really had no shame
@@LucyLioness100 that was Eisner for ya.
If they had made a decent sequel I wouldn't have minded giving the lonli boi a girl.
The sequel hurts me so deep!
*"IMAGINE SOMEONE TO LOVE WHO LOVES YOU"*
....what?
Emily Christian I was laughing so hard at that part I don’t even remember hearing that line in that song when I was a kid.
*WHEEZE*
@BilboKoira TRUE
...Isn't that what self-insert fanfic authors do?
They lyric is implying that just because you love someone that doesn't mean the feeling is mutual. It sounds stupid I agree, but it makes sense considering his relationship with Esmeralda in the first movie.
4:00 the little girl who hugged Quasi at the end of the first movie has not aged even though Zephyr is around 6 or 7. Hmm....
Lisa Sand 😂
Vampire!
indiciaobscure I guess...Animation error
That's not the same girl, it's her younger twin sister.
Younger sibling, perhaps?
I consider this to be the worst Disney sequel ever made. It has little to no understanding of its predecessor, which pretty much makes it pointless. As you said, it practically spits in the face of the original movie. The animation quality is BAD, even for a Disney sequel. The story is generic, and screws with the characters's personalities, Phoebus being especially guilty of this. The new ones aren't particularly interesting, and I cannot stand the villain. This whole movie is terrible. Just stick with the first one, and pretend this one doesn't exist.
This was probably originally going to be some sort of Valentine's special made for TV and then Disney was probably like "Just call it Hunchback 2 and put it straight to DVD."
By the way, did you know that this abomination took 5 years to make? Hard to believe.
Well, animation can take a long time to make. However, this does NOT look like it took five years to make. I thought it would've been two or three years.
It certainly doesn't look like five years, but I read somewhere that was how long it took to make this. I hope that isn't true.
berrypie11 Sad fact: this movie's production was started at the same time as that of Lion King 2 (one of the better sequels), and THAT movie was completed in the course of only ONE year.
(singing)
Hellfire! Dark fire! Now Hunchback 2 it's your turn!
You've sealed your own fate! It's time that you now burn!
That's good.
*holds the movie over a well* This is an unholy demon. I am sending it back to hell, where it belongs.
Kyrie Eleison
@@lucarossetti3072 ☠️☠️☠️☠️😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@kodiibearv why isnt that a meme, honestly?
I remember hating this. I was too young to know why but I hated it...
Also wouldn't encrusting the inside of a bell ruin the gems?
Also stop ruining Phoebus!
Encrusting a bell's interior with gold and jewels would not only ruin the gems and gold, but would also make the bell sound like garbage.
Ring SHADER
S Y M B O L I S M
It also doesn;t make sense. Why encrust a bell on the INSIDE, no one is gonna see it?! Yeah, I know, it';s symbolism and all that, but how about some practicality?!
@@alexanderfix3629 Thank you!
Since Quasimodo and Madelaine were both sheltred their whole lives the awkward flirting kind of makes sense, and it could have worked if:
- it was intentionally awkward, and i am sure it isn't. it's trying to be cute and endearing but it's mostly just cringe worthy.
- If the flirting wasn't just awkard but also funny.
- if they ever bonded over their backstory, seriously the movie makes sarouche and madelaine's relationship mirror Frollo and Quasimodo's but it goes absolutly nowhere.
I AM EATING PASTA LIKE QUASIMODOOOOOOO !!!!!!
Hmm....fair enough...
So this film is not only a waste of good talent, it’s also a waste of a good idea!
Afraid so
god damn that makes me want to write fix it fic about HUNCHBACK 2
My question is: why does Zephyr look like Phoebus when Esmeralda has like all of the dominant genes?
I don’t really care
@tultsi93Finnish they could have at least given him black hair
@@TheAkwarium
This is a studio which routinely casts White actors to play Asian characters.
Are you really surprised?
Because he is a boy, therefore he must look like the father. Disney does this a lot, like in lady and the tramp sequel
It's called LPCD. Lazy Parent Child Design. You see it a lot in anime. I've seen child design done perfectly only once, with Made in Abyss, where Riko has her mother's long golden hair, but by all accounts looks very much like her father, complete with his seemingly physical weakness as well.
My favorite example of bad design comes from Sunday without God, where a girl named Ai is a DIRECT CLONE of her mother; same hair, same eyes, same face, same mannerisms, etc. The ONLY difference between them is her mother styling her bangs ever slightly differently. It's to the point when Ai's father comes to town looking for her mother that he asks AI if she knows who the woman is and doesn't stop to question why the f××× a freaking MINI ME OF THE WOMAN IS STANDING IN FRONT OF HIM.
"Imagine someone to love who loves you."
Breathtaking lyrical genius
"Ordinary Miracle" is what you'd get if "Out There" was Made in China.
imagine someone who write and write a comment
I did that once. People made fun of me.
Me singing in the shower
"Sarouche's Rafiki impression" omg I'm dying!
Woomy!
Ah dammit. They should've played "Circle of Life" while zooming into that scene.
Gotta love how this sequel had the whole villain-turns-heroes-against-each-other-with-misunderstanding-and-misdirection trope when the original movie actually averted this - when Frollo makes it to the Court of Miracles, he claims that Quasimodo intentionally helped him get there, and Esmerelda doesn't buy it for a second. Le sigh.
This movie angers me on so many levels, like why did they have Madeline save the annoying son of Phoebus and Esmeralda aside for redemption when at best she is a mediocre acrobat when Quasimodo who is so skilled at acrobats that he might as well join the Assassins Order from Assassin’s Creed. While all the art in this movie is atrocious, the thing that suffered the most in this building was the Notre Dame Cathedral. In the first movie the Cathedral was so huge that the two towers pierced the clouds and the detail put into the animation for it was stunning. But in the sequel the building somehow shrunk and became a lot less detailed. Of course the villain sucked, you have Frollo who was a perverted, abusive, and genocidal maniac who believed he was doing the work of God, then this loser from the sequel is just some boring fop who thinks he is gorgeous when he is really not that attractive. Also yes Phoebus in the books was a jerk, but the one in the movies wasn’t, in fact he was a genuinely nice guy which makes the sequel’s depiction of him a joke. Also I have no problem with Quasimodo finding love, but he deserves so much better than this ham fisted love story we were presented with.
You can really tell how bad a villain Sarouce is when you stop to think what would have happened if the villain had won. If Frollo had succeed in the first movie, Esmeralda would have been executed and Quasimodo imprisoned for the rest of his life. If Sarouce had succeeded in the sequel, he would have gotten away with stealing that that giant, gaudy bell that couldn't even ring properly and was hidden away where nobody could look at it anyway. And some pick-pocketing on top of that, truly a horrible villain!
Gertrud Bondesson exactly, Frollo was a much more intimidating villain. It also helped his case that his desire for genocide, emotional abuse towards Quasimodo, and sexual harassment of Esmeralda left me disturbed and disgusted, I think the only other Disney villain that ever left me feeling that disturbed and disgusted was Gaston because of him mocking intelligence, misogyny, sense of entitlement, and thinking that it was perfectly fine to kill someone because the woman he felt entitled to showed that person more interest in him. In fact Gaston was a much better villain who displayed vanity than this loser. Thankfully I don’t really count the Disney straight to DVD sequels really canon to the movies that are so much better in every way. I think the only thing I can give this sequel is the fact that they still have Quasimodo be an accepted member of society and able to go out in public because of his actions in the first movie instead of coming up with a bs reason to have the people of Paris all of the sudden become disgusted and horrified with him again like some bad sequels try to do.
Precisely, and what makes both Frollo and Gaston such memorable villains is that similarly to Dolores Umbridge, we've all met or heard similar people in real life, entitled bigots who abuse their power in the form of judges, teachers or simply being popular, but I doubt many people have met an evil circus leader in real life. Now Maleficent and Jafar are equally unrealistic, but they make up for it with screen presence and charisma. Sarouce meanwhile just talks about how beautiful he is.
Morgan Young I did love Aladdin and the king thieves and I love pochahontas 2
i guess because madeleine was lighter.
8:11 did anyone else notice that Esmerelda`s eyes are blue instead of the emerald green that they were in the original film?
whomst this Oh, my gosh! I thought that I was the only one who noticed that! You're right! How could they screw that up so badly? Shit, her name is the Portuguese word for "emerald", which, last I checked, are GREEN!
WHAT?!
huh i totally missed that i haven't seen the movie in forever and i missed that. man does this movie remember anything right about the first hunchback movie.
They changed Quasimodo’s eyes to blue, too.
Of all the many, many, many things wrong with this film, the greatest drop in quality has to be the score. I personally think that Hunchback has the best score in any Disney film (despite the existence of "A Guy Like You") and this is bad even by cheapquel standards.
YES. I consider it one of the last really great Alan Menken scores. ("Enchanted" notwithstanding.)
Crap
Hellfire is disneys biggest banger
IKR? Actually I didn’t mind the opening song (however it’s spelled) despite its so cheesy as a “Valentine’s Day” song, and An Ordinary Miracle wasn’t that bad. No joke, there are way worse songs in other sequels
I hate this movie so much that I can muster ten sins of my own for it:
1. Failed understanding of its source material/ Obvious downgrade (or even moreover the fact that this movie even exists, as it is not their most popular, and definitely one of the more controversial).
2. All the damn songs! (Save for the opening one which is tolerable, but ultimately forgettable)
3. Zephyr
4. La Fidale and it's metaphor with how stupid this movie treats its audience.
5. The fix-it fix that I feel significantly downgrades Quasi's character.
6. Sarouche
7. Madeline and Quasi's awkward talk that almost makes the High School Musical universe seem plausible.
8. Phoebus' character derailment (I feel that it was leaning towards a case of 'Ron the Deatheater')
9. The Gargoyles are back and worse than ever (Although they do have a moment at the end where their mouths literally detach and drop to the ground, the funniest they've ever been-though sadly not enough to be a saving grace)
10. The failed attempt at a climax.
We've learned a little while back that the animation was by TMS (best known for 'Batman: the Animated Series', 'Pinkie and the Brain', 'Animaniacs', and 'Akira'). These are very talented animators just not allowed to be used to their full potential. What a waste! (Then again, I've known several other talented animators and artists being forced to animated crap!)
Also, I agree that Achilles is too good for this movie-he's the only one to have anything resembling entertainment.
Thanks to this comment, I spent an hour looking up "Ron the Death Eater" madness. XD Thank you~
The ironic thing is that, in this flick, they're aiming for "Oh Phoebus! You unintentionally prejudiced man! You're being too harsh and judgmental and you must admit that you were in the wrong!" when he was right about...literally everything? The circus workers were stealing from people? Madeline was originally just using Quasi? It's really faulty if you look into it, but I think we've all analyzed this movie enough.
+Shayla Ballard
Well said.
Actually, the information on who did the animation is wrong. The animation in this film was actually done by the now-defunct Disney Animation Japan. But some of the workers used to work at TMS and Toei Co LTD.
Lol
What also made Quasimodo falling in love with Madeleine after one meeting is that there’s no good reason for it. He fell for Esmarelda in the original because she was the first person to show him kindness without caring much for his appearance while also challenging Frollo’s assertion that he was a monster.
Madeleine just made some awkward jokes and ran away when she saw his face. While it’s not impossible to still fall in love, it shouldn’t have been as quick or as hard as it was in the original.
Same. It always irritated me so much that Madeline doesn’t try to apologize for running away in horror or forcing him to show his face to her when he clearly didn’t want to. Legit, she runs away and almost screams at him, but he’s all of a sudden deeply in love with her?? What? Come on, I get he knows some people aren’t going to accept his looks and stuff, but why is this still bugging him?? Yeah its sad, but he’s gotten over he can’t change his appearance, but he can control how he treats others. Doesn’t help Madeline is literally FORCED to keep flirting with him, she doesn’t voluntarily suck it up and gradually realizes she massively misjudged him and deep down he’s a pretty cool dude, especially in comparison to Gaston’s knockoff
I did read a fic where their first meeting plays out pretty much the same (lame jokes and all), but in that one, Madeline actually went back to apologize. The circumstances of their meeting was somewhat different, though.
he wants to steal a big-ass bell? she's got a meg ryan haircut in medieval France? I gotta stop looking for logic in Disney sequels
Off the top of my head: being the son of gypsies, Quasimodo has the gypsy spirit, wishing to see more of the world. But he's duty-bound to the tower and the bells, as he truly has come to love them and how they've shaped him as a person. He is able to quell the gypsy spirit and remain content at his duties, especially now that he's allowed to venture outside the belltower. So when the Romani come back to Paris after several years, Quasimodo goes with Esmeralda to greet them in the catacombs, as they're still somewhat feared and disrespected even after Frolo is gone. He feels at ease with them and befriends a few of them, including a young woman who adores Paris and wishes she could remain. When she finds out Quasimodo lives at the top of the bell tower, she begs Esmeralda to convince him to bring her up there so she can see the city in all its glory just once. This gives a parallel to the original with someone on the outside wishing for something Quasimodo took for granted' the astoundingly beautiful Notre Dame tower, its magnificent bells and the breathtaking view of the city that most never get to see in their lifetimes. Under better circumstances, it might have been an amazing place to live for him. This young woman is initially a little put off by Quasimodo who reluctantly agrees to sneak her up there, but she slowly learns to swallow her fear of his appearance, especially when he fulfills his promise and shows her the view of the city from the top of the tower. Instantly smitten, she is reluctant to leave, but does so, asking if she can return. Quasimodo reluctantly agrees. So, several scenes of her visiting and the two of them getting to know each other better, in a short time, they've become fast friends. Esmeralda continues to encourage this friendship, while feeling guilty because she knows the Romani can't stay. Tensions are rising again and the citizens who accept the Romani are at odds with the citizens who don't. By this point in time, Quasimodo and 'Emma' (as I'm calling her for convenience) are beginning to fall for each other and 'Emma' is using her fascination with the church and the city as a half excuse just to visit him. Once again, as a civil disruption erupts in the city, Quasimodo is forced to help Emma escape, lest she wind up trapped just like Esmeralda was. They make it out of the city and Emma begs him to come with her, to escape with the Romani. Quasimodo is left with a choice. Now, standing just at the reaches of the outer limits of the city, for the first time, he feels the pull of the road, of the gypsy spirit, as well as his love for Emma. But he also feels his love for the city of Paris and his newfound friends within, as well as the fear of what he might find out on the road. He tells her he wants to leave, but he feels that he needs to learn how, first, how to let go and how to step away from something he cares for in order to learn how to care for something else. He feels Paris still needs him. Emma then chooses to stay with him, stating that the Romani always return to the city and she has grown to love it just as he does. Until the Romani return, she will remain with Quasimodo and when they do, perhaps one day, they'll both be ready to face the open road together.
AND THIS WAS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO WRITE MORE OR LESS PROMISING IDEAS!!
You should be the one writing for Hollywood.
that is a millions times better then this crappy sequel we got. it is dramatic, yet the romance feels real, it has a bitter sweetness to it. this should have been the movie we got i love it.
I'll admit, I felt a little creative passion sparking when I was writing it and rereading it. I wish I could actually do something with it
I saw this comment years ago, and I still remember the idea! Idk if you even remember it, but dangit, if you don't write a fanfiction about this, I will! Because it's a damn good idea
@@fayz655Know what? I think I will! It’ll give me an excuse to rewatch the first movie again for inspiration which my husband certainly won’t complain about 😂
Why does it look older than the original?
Cheaper animation budget gets you cheaper animation material that ages faster.
Because good animation comes from time + money + giving a fuck
Because it is a Disney sequel.
@The Pikachu Brothers Wait.. if Disney Japan made the movie... Is Hunchback 2 technically an anime?
Thats the exact reason I'm here lol
8:37
That woman's earlobes would be torn in reality from the way he yanks the earring out.
Thank god this is just crappy animation, though, and not live action.
Maybe they're clip-ons. XD
That would explain them just popping off XD
And the fact that her ears aren't maimed, nor her noticing a thing~
She also doesn't blink or move. Maybe she was really a mannequin
Oh, she moved. Right at the start. Otherwise, you missed a good opportunity to say "WITCHCRAFT~!"
This isn’t a bad sequel, It’s an insult!
But enough about Iron Man 2
*Piangi voice*
“eets an eensult!”
@@horaciosi that was perfect
One who throws down a rubber glove thinking it is a metal gauntlet.
True the animation was trashy so were the song's the storyline could of been way better
Even the bells sound like they can't stand to be in this movie.
Also, bless you for your comment on the animation! I went to college for animation and illustration and while I'm more well-versed in the latter category, I know bad animation when I see it and while this isn't the worst animation that I've seen (don't ask) it's a real slap in the face compared to its predecessor.
But, okay, that bit with Achilles was pretty funny.
It was done by Disney Japan who still had inferior Xerox technology while the other Disney divisions had moved on to digital paint and ink like Disney Canada that did Beauty and the Beast Christmas and the original film was done using CAPS so thats why this looked bad.
The fact that it’s very nearly all the original voice cast makes it even more depressing for some reason
Truly, reading about Victor Hugo’s love of the Parisian sewer system is a fate worse than death.
Oh, no Diva. See, Disney HAS to remind people of their much better movies via Easter eggs so that people who were unlucky enough to have this be their first disney movie realize, "Huh. That first one was really misleading. This is awesome!"
16:25 Not to mention that Madeline is apparently too stupid to realize how capable a Quasi is of defending himself-he hoisted Phoebus (fully-armored, mind you) off the floor in the first movie for crying out loud!
She wasn't there for that
Right, but he DID swing her from rooftop to rooftop the night before. THAT should at least be some sort of indication to his strength and agility.
Strength and fighting ability aren't the same thing.
He can ring my bells anytime.😏
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Just joking.
You do have a point though.
I'm physically cringing from this movie. It takes everything that's great from the first movie and waters it down
That is putting it kindly.
I watched Lindsey Ellis's video on Hunchback, but even if he could buy into the way Disney did his work, but I'm very certain he would turn over in his grave about THIS.
You think this is bad? Watch the video where Phelous reviews the Golden Films version.
+Jason Edwards
You think THAT'S bad? Take a look at the Dingo Pictures version.
... Actually; don't. It can't be good for anyone.
Riley Rivalle
Funnily enough, the Dingo Pictures version is the one that actually keeps the most from the original novel. Proof that sticking to the source material doesn't necessarily make the adaption good.
Riley Rivalle As bad as the Dingo Pictures version was, I at least give it some (key word here being some) credit for sticking to the plot of the novel. With Golden Films I was just left wondering 'what the fuck did I just watch?' It's also a prime example of, to quote a phrase from MST3K "They just didn't care."
How to fix this movie:
*Put more budget and effort in the animation.
*Tone down Zephyr and the gargoyles a bit.
*Have a darker villain with some sort of prejudice of downright evil intentions like Frollo had.
*Instead of a bell filled with jewels, let’s have a bell that looks weird, rusty or worn but has a beautiful ringing.
*Don’t exaggerate the romantic themes and stop slapping poor Quasi with the “you don’t have a girlfriend” thing.
*Deepen Madellaine’s character.
*And lastly, put more heart and inspiration in your songs. If you have trouble, ask a profesional composer for help.
8:12 WHY TF ARE HER EYES BLUE?? HER NAME IS LITERALLY *E S M E R A L D A* AND THEY MADE HER EYES BLUE DID THEY EVEN SEE THE ORIGINAL
*2 minutes later*
_QUASI'S EYES ARE BLUE TOO WHAT iS THIS_
Surprised Zephyr wasn't a sin...he's annoying on an unearthly level.
Hey, I rather deal with the little twerp then deal with the lame ass villain. I'm not even going to say his name. Seriously though, they couldn't even tone the kid down just a little?
*PAAAPAAAAAAAA!!!*
Agrees no more.
Oh my god! Shut the fuck up no one cares!
One way to ruin the I see dead people kid
I guess the whole idea with Madeleine is that she's under Sarouch's control in a realistic abusive relationship. It happens that victims of abuse don't do anything to escape because they feel they'll never get away. They don't call the authorities, don't ask for help, don't tell their friends and family. I feel like that's what they were going for.
But they failed because it was too dark.
Also, I would have given a sin to Achilles' out of nowhere lady. Why?
Disney succeeded in the first movie. They failed here because the whole thing, from introducing the relationship to having Madeline break free, was badly-written.
I mean, part of the problem is Madeline doesn’t really have a story to how she met him aside being a small kid who tried stealing some money for food and he made her a part of the circus as payment. But the problem is he isn’t forcing her to stay in the circus or anything, she is free to leave at anytime but doesn’t. But the other problem is why she doesn’t just tell Quasi or Phoebus about his plans to steal La Fidelle? No one is truly in huge danger if she snitched. But another problem Madeline has is she claims she hates being a thief and scamming innocent people of their money, BUT the movie never shows her being a genuinely good person who wants to escape the circus. Maybe she gives a kid free food or admission to the circus or steals back the stolen goods and turns it in? Its called show don’t tell for a reason. One of the biggest problems I have with Quasi and Madeline as a couple is the fact Madeline is FORCED to interact with him and at first tries refusing because he’s ugly. She literally spies on him with Zephyr and basically has to prove to herself Quasi is genuinely a cool guy who loves kids. But, the other problem is: her relationship with Saruge is supposed to mirror Quasi’s relationship with Frollo, but the movie NEVER mentions Frollo or how Quasi escaped his abusive foster father. And the worst part is Maddie doesn’t actually have any dreams or ambitions for when she leaves the circus. All she wants is: walk the tightrope. She doesn’t have any dreams of what she wants to do to make her a steady income to be independent of Saruge’s free food and shelter. So yeah, Madeline is a very poorly written character who unfortunately also has a lot of problematic elements which makes it even harder to ship her and Quasi as a couple
It's shocking that the actor who plays Zephyr later play as Sora in the Kingdom Hearts games.
At least Undeformed Quasimodo was just a fantasy reflection
*Has Vietnam flashbacks to Golden Films Hunchback of Notre Dame*
Ah, yes. How could I forget Quasi-Frollo?
So wait everyone is mad at Phoebus for being suspicious of the carnies...when he was in the right the whole time cuz they were stealing from everyone?
Yeah, because god forbid this movie doesn't suck as much as everyone thinks it does. And I like your picture.
That's one of this movie's major flaws. It wants us to be angry at Phoebus for his assumptions (even having him say he was wrong) but make him right to distrust the circus. It's a good example of how little the film makers cared about the end product.
It's a not a flaw with the film. It's a flaw with fans.
Sheridan Mann The film repeatedly compares Phoebus's distrust of the carnival to the racism against gypsies and has Phoebus literally say "I was wrong about everything" at the end of the movie assuming that Madeline doing the right thing was enough to prove him wrong. How is that not the movie butchering it's message that judging people is wrong?
Yes, the all too annoying “Angry character was right all along” trope.
It’s almost like “You’re just jealous” and “You should just quit being grumpy” aren’t actual criticisms, and every character criticizing the angry ones need their heads removed from their asses.
La Fidel would have worked better as a smaller bell - like, no bigger than a bowling ball. It gets locked up until the festival, then carted to the Cathedral in a ritual parade, where Quasi is in charge of inspection and cleaning. Suspending logic, the bell is rung on the Day to entice the Spirit of L'Amour to Paris, where it is believed she will help in finding lovers and spouses. Scaramoosh (or whoever) wants the bell for the value of the pretties, his theft of it brings fear, paranoia and pettiness to the citizens, and Quasi and Maddie join forces with the others to undo the damage, along the way learning that there's more to love than flowery speeches and whatnot. You can then either have a blossoming QM relationship, a sense of familial love, or the beginnings of a beautiful friendship.
Oh, since when is Quasimodo dating Jean Valjean? Wait, no, wrong Madeleine.
How the hell does Zephyr look exactly like his dad when he's an interracial kid?
I KNOW! When you mix red and white, you get PINK! They couldn't even give him a tan?!
Maybe he got more genetic material from dad than mom. It happens sometimes in interracial kids. Rare, but it DOES happen.
You should see the amount of white-passing people in my mother's family (and no, my mom's not white).
To be fair, my bestie’s friend is of Native American descent and completely looks like it, but she completely resembles her dad and has blonde hair and blue eyes lol
What’s especially odd is that one of the people that were like “why did Quasimodo get friend zone?” Were some parents of all people because apparently they felt that him not getting the girl was sending a bad message or...something. I don’t know parent groups are weird
I can imagine Tom Hulce in the recording booth, reading the script and thinking "I was in Amadeus, for God's sake! They expect me to say this shit?!"
That's always bothered me. Quasimodo was the one who overcame a prejudice against the gipsies (instilled in him by Frollo). Phoebus was the least prejudiced person in the entire story
I strongly agree. I think they pretty messed up Phoebus and Esmeralda in the sequel. In the first movie Pheb didn't prejudice the Romani (now he prejudice the carnies and compares it to them) Esmeralda was a streetsmart character (now she is pretty naive and dump). I like that a lot they showed as a happy family but their character is the opposite what it was in the first movie.
Coming Soon: Hunchback of Notre Dame III: Hugo's Christmas Adventure
Someone should do a parody like that.
Oh God, please don't give them any ideas XD
Can't wait for Hunchback of Notre-Dame 4: Attack of the Frollo-Bots
Not before Pocahontas 3: Pocahontas falls in love with Another John
The Hunchback of Notre Dame 2, the movie that proves that even Disney themselves can make cheap mockbusters of their own films!
Seriously, it isn't good when I have to say that Dingo Pictures' shockingly accurate adaptation of the Hunchback is more watchable than Disney's official sequel to their beloved adaptation that was made in 2000 and not released until 2002...
What about Jetlag's "Hunchback"? At least the music there was pretty good.
Jennea Coleman-Cubero Yeah, but the character developmen and actiost are way inconsistent and aren't believable in the slightest.
I rather watch this than Dingo's Version anytime. At least the sequel doesn't make me sick by just looking at it.
What about Golden Films' adaptation? Is it probably worse than Hunchback 2? I might guess so. That's the Hunchback adaptation where Quasimodo becomes *HANDSOME!* And he wasn't even that ugly looking in the first place! Not to mention the animation is more limited and error-ridden/lazy.
The first Hunchback of notre dame took my breath away, and even after twenty years it still dose as an adult.The second one was awful to watch, god I only made it halfway through before I had to turn it off.
That's life. The first one is such a masterpiece.
I watched the first movie on Disney+
and I Loved it. I was interested watching the sequel, but then I realized that the animation is a total downgrade and I haven’t even finished going through the first half of the movie lol
Thank god I skipped the rest of it :p
Huh I haven't seen anyone cover this since MrEnter talked about it back on October 3rd 2013 (Except Doug Walker during that one Disneycember where he covered the cheapquels) MAN I can't believe how far he's come since that review came out as well. Even though I don't think his content is perfect by any means.
tim5fl FINALLY Someone who sees Mr. Enter as not a perfect critic, but doesn't treat him like he's the worst human in existence. I mean I know he had a lot of faults in his early days, but I really don't understand all of the current hate he gets.
+RubyAura Trust me I've seen Turkey Tom's video talking about MrEnter and I pretty much agree with all the issues he brought up.
tim5fl Oh, I didn't see that vid I might have to check that out later
tim5fl I've watched part of Turkey Tom's video on MrEnter but never got around to finishing it. I will watch it after her review on this trainwreck.
EDIT: Oops. I was thinking of his video about the cartoon community that mentioned MrEnter.
tim5fl Me too.
"Imagine someone to love who loves you"
I can write a better song than that
Wait... did I imagine Madeline being blind..? I could’ve sworn that there was a Hunchback movie with a blind love interest who couldn’t see his deformity
Then again I never actually saw this movie so whatever
You're thinking of The Man Who Laughs, another Victor Hugo novel.
@@xxkewldudexx There might also be a Hunchback movie with a blind woman who falls in love with Quasimodo. Blind people who befriend deformed or monstrous people because they can't tell they're different is a pretty common trope.
funnily enough toxic avenger has that kind of lovestory
So, I'm playing Frollo in a community theater. I WAS nervous but after seeing this, I know that no matter how hard I fail, nothing can be worse than this sequal. Thank you for my peace of mind.
Another Sin I thought: Quasimodo basically has freaking super powers in this one? Like in the first he was believably strong because of years of bellringing and climbing.
In this film he can casually jump 25 feet across a street and lift a huge metal bell one handed
Oh my Lord, Quasimodo is from Krypton!
"Sarouche is too busy with his Rafiki impression" XD hands down the best part of this video.
As a kid I saw the teaser trailer where Jennifer Love Hewitt describes Madeline, and having not seen the first movie yet I thought she would be suffering depression, no self esteem, was possibly even suicidal, and Quasimodo gradually helps her through the course of time to see her self worth. No villain involved. I don't care if it's too dark. The first movie touched on lust, racism, genocide, and so on; I don't see why the sequel couldn't touch up on regaining self esteem, self abuse, and redemption.
joyunicycle Simple: because the first movie wasn't that well-received upon its release for all its dark subject matter, so whatever the reason be for them wanting to make a sequel, God forbid they want to touch on anything even REMOTELY controversial...Yeah, this movie has been a particular thorn in my side for such a long time now, largely because I think the original deserves much MUCH better-and fortunately, in recent years, it has been getting its fair due (even Alan Menken wants to do his score and story in live-action.)
That would've made for a much better movie than the one we got.
I will admit that Les Miserables is my favorite novel, but certain parts definitely dragged (was a discussion about sewers really necessary). A very fitting punishment to have to read that and other parts forever.
Let’s not forget that an elephant is carried up to stage by two men above their shoulder line. ... an elephant. Carried by two men.
I mean, Quasi can casually lift concrete gargoyles (whatever they’re made of) and casually lifted a dang bell to let them out, and bells are fricking heavy.
@@kristinahuchison2511 Not everyone can be a Victor Hugo protagonist; there might be as few as eleven in all of France, depending on how narrowly you define "protagonist".
@@timothymclean what does that have anything to do with my comment or the conversation? I was talking about how inhumanly strong Quasimodo is
@@kristinahuchison2511 You brought that up while responding to a comment about the strength of two people who _aren't_ Quasimodo.
No! Not the Swan Princess sequels! That's too much even for h-e-double hockey sticks!
At least it's the not the "Disney's Descendants" film series.
Hell.
"because he's holding the idiot ball" is the absolute best thing I've ever heard someone say about a cliche(TM) movie.
Sarouche also rips off Gaston by being obsessed with a "Bell".
Also his plot to steal the bell is more of Team Rocket levels of villainy. (I mean like Jessie, James, Meowth and Wobbuffet!)
I watched this movie literally one time (even as a kid I didn't want a repeat watch of it) when my mom bought my sisters and I the VHS when we were children and I hated it back then too because of how bad the writing and music was and the villain... the funny thing is watching this review, your summary actually makes SOME of the plot elements feel like they could have worked if the movie wasn't crap. First off, the animation is rubbery, that's not inherently a bad thing; but when Quasimodo's and Phoebus were talking to Esmeralda they all had heads that were disproportionate to each other (it wasn't even the only weird moment where the proportions are off). I could do without Phoebus being an ass, Zephyr being an accessory, and Madeline being 1-dimensional (I actually like the idea of a serious movie giving Quasi a love interest, but they could have done better than the cliches they used), and the villain being entirely without charisma and zest (there's a reason Frollo, a sexually-repressed old man, has OODLES of fangirls and that comes from his originality).
Esmeralda and Phoebus never decided to wear any different clothing or something?
You'd think Esmeralda would get some new clothing from her husbando, right? Or she would get rid of the clothing that's easily associated with the less happy part of her life.
It also feels like the villain was designed to look like his usual self but they last minute decided that he had to be ugly, so they made him weird and pasted a belly onto his body.
I wish they had made Qausi and Madeliene's romance better. Especially since the voice actors did try to make it sound like they had good chemistry.
Especially since they're so sweet together.
Yeah, they could’ve made their love relationship more realistic and original as possible instead of making it some sort of a Beauty And The Beast rip off giving it the same message but executed in a very bad way possible. :(
Same. NGL I find Quasi pretty dumb in this movie and Maddie is unfortunately so bland because of how little we actually learn of her.
Yeah, didn't Phoebus even *know* Esmeralda was a gypsy, in fact, even once bring that up, before they even fell in love and got hitched?!
I think he did. One of the guards harassing her did say that "Gypsies don't earn money!" and just by looking at her, he would've known that she's Romani.
I'd be surprised if he didn't realize Esmeralda was Romani. Disney's version doesn't exactly look like a white girl stolen by the eevul gypsies, a la the original novel.
@@timothymclean my grandma got almost stolen by gypsies when she was a kid lol
Phoebus always knew she was a gypsy. It’s literally why he got upset of Quasi refusing to go to the Court of Miracles with him (literally a safe haven for the Romani) even if he didn’t know up until that moment, during the song it literally shows the entire crowd being Romani people hiding and Esmerelda apologizing for them not saying thank you or their rude welcome.
Phoebus was so close in becoming the next Frollo, just leaving out the psychotic religious self-riteousness and murder.
4:51 Okay, pausing here to ask how the hell Sarouche intends to steal La Fidel? It's 10 feet tall, 15 feet wide, jewel encrusted, and made of solid brass. This thing weighs at least half a ton. And it's in a tall ass bell tower! Does he plan demolish the cathedral? Does he have a 100 foot tall siege engine, or a crane, he intends to roll up with?
The worst thing about the romantic interest thing is that Quasi not getting the girl as it were was a huge part of his character arc. He lets go of his physical dependence on Frollo, his abusive adoptive father, and also his emotional dependence on Esmeralda. It's also another contrast to Frollo- Frollo will kill Esmeralda if she won't be his, while Quasi is able to accept that she is her own person and deserves to choose for herself.
True, but it also led to the unfortunate implication that Quasimodo isn’t worthy of love because he’s deformed and disabled.
He should be forever alone.
Yes, being single isn’t a bad thing, but why doesn’t that also apply to Esmeralda?
Is it because Esmeralda is a conventionally attractive able-bodied woman who is worthy of romance, whereas Quasimodo is an ugly hunchback who isn’t worthy of romance?
@@Mogwai-fy7ut that's not what they're implying. Phoebus was the only one who saw her as a person. Frollo saw her as a demon, Quasi saw her as an angel. It's the Madonna/whore complex. Neither is healthy.
I mean, I actually like the idea of Quasi finding his own romance in time. Even in the first movie I have mixed feelings about Phoebus winning Esmerelda’s love instead. One, he’s a pretty big jerk in the original book and is sadly the reason why Es dies in the book. And two, I always felt he was more just in the movie as a generic good guy who didn’t have much of a purpose aside being why Esmerelda doesn’t end up with Quasi. It kinda gives off this very bad implication only hot guys win hot girls and nerdy/plain looking guys shouldn’t try to date hot girls out of their league. Like Quasi does a ton to help Esmerelda, and she still ends up with a dude who doesn’t really do much aside leading the charge against Frollo in the final battle. I do agree Phoebus is a better fit for Esmerelda’s feisty and rebellious personality and what she wants in life, but it always kinda struck me he was attracted her beauty and feisty personality instead of genuinely wanting to help her people survive his boss’s cruel orders.
I really hate how all three characters are basically dumbed down so much in this movie, and Esmerelda herself only appears for like 1/3 of the movie, Phoebus, the gargoyles and Zephyr appear so much more than her. And she doesn’t actually have a story aside being a mom and still dancing for money. I don’t like how they further leaned into stereotypes for her character, as shown with the crystal ball scene to tell Quasi how to tell Maddie he loves her. This movie just made both Esmerelda and Phoebus pretty unlikable, and Quasi a bumbling buffoon who all of a sudden is tongue twisted around attractive girls
The climax of this movie was so stupid. I don't know why Phoebus complied with Sarousch holding Zephyr hostage. First of all, Phoebus had him severely outnumbered. It was thirty nine or twenty (ah, who's counting!) soldiers against one carnie. Plus, Sarousch wasn't holding a knife to Zephyr or threatening to drown him. He was just holding him (in Madeleine's reach, no less!).
“Yuck”... well at least this movie knows what it is
LOL!!! That's a good one.
This movie is pure GARBAGE
I like the Les Miserables punishment. There should be more awareness about the giant dissertations on the Paris sewers jammed into the middle of the barricade scene.
Quasimodo and Madeline: "Yeah, yuck..."
Did they really say that...?
But it sums up this whole movie sequel pretty well.
Any chance you'll do The Little Mermaid 2 at any point? The thing I hate about that movie, is it wastes an interesting premise!
I watched this movie with my dad and he said: “You’re right. The first movie is better.” THAT’s who you know you’re making a bad movie!
Theatre Geek Your dad didn't believe you that the movie was shit until he saw it?
The Misunderstood Assassin Nope.
The sequel would be better if the villain was inspired by someone in the novel (Jacques Charmoulue, anyone?) or how the heros deel with the aftermath of the first movie: i.e: the Minister is dead and needs a replacement, Esmeralda becomes Pheobus's wife, with all that it entails, Quasimodo lost his paternal figure, and even though Frollo was mostly abusive to Quasi, he still raised him. So for Quasimodo, the events would have been pretty tough to swollow. Also, the mini-civil war caused massive damage to the city, and rebuilding would be a big issue. It would have been pretty slice-of-life-ish, but it would have made sense.
What happened in the first movie would have left our heros in a vulnerable position.
Another movie with Jennifer Love Hewitt in it you should check out is The Adventures of Tom Thumb and Thumbelina. That’d be interesting to see you talk about
I loved the hunchback as a child and remembered enjoying the bell scene from the second movie. Tonight I rewatched the first movie and I actually did tear up at several points, from the crescendo of the opening song ,to Quasimodo crying sanctuary while holding up Esmeralda. Its art, cinematography, music and characters were beautiful and it lived up to my childhood memories. Then I began to watch the sequel. I’m not kidding when I say I looked at scathing reviews for it as the opening number played out. The art style alone had me feeling sick to think they would do this to something that once was so dark and beautiful... and I thought the sequel to Pocahontas was bad.
IKR? Pocahontas 2 is a massive nightmare on so many levels, but one of the things I absolutely cannot stand was how degrading the art quality was, ESPECIALLY when it came to the Native American characters. Pocahontas for some reason looks younger (more like a teen instead of a twenty something year old I presume) the winter festival scene literally is jammed pack with Indigenous stereotypes, considering all the characters have feathers in their hair, you have a super fat guy, and oh course Utti being the stereotypical big nose, ears, lips and staggering height, who doesn’t talk. But another thing was when it came to any crowd characters or reprising characters like Nakoma or Powhatan (with the exception of Rolfe) ALL the characters aside Queen Anne have these super ridiculous caricatures instead of the more realistic artstyle of the original movie. Pocahontas 2 was just a huge headache and deserves all the hate it gets
I was wondering when you were going to rake this sucker over the coals (pun intended) and I was not disappointed. Wonderful job.
Man, what did they do to Pheobus in this one? Say what you will about him in the first movie...but at least he has an arc from a man who is disgusted with his orders but will obey them to one who is willing to break the law and stand up for the oppressed even if it goes against his orders (this is expanded upon in the stage version where he is ambitious enough to keep this job because it keeps him away from the battlefields he had just escaped from). Why is he suddenly against the "carnies" in this one?
Fun(?) fact: Hugo and Djali are technically Disney's first canon gay couple.
Speaking as an LGBT individual, I'd say we deserved better than that.
Hope those screen writers have fun reading the Paris sewage system chapter for eternity 👋🏼😂🇫🇷
Or the whole "Let's go into a detailed analysis of the Battle of Waterloo for no real reason other than a brief interaction that takes place in the last two pages of the section."
Musical Hell How long is Les Misérables?
The Misunderstood Assassin at least 1000 pages. I read it in the 8th grade so I don’t remember much about it tbh. Proabably for the best.
And say what you will about Quasimodo not gettin' the girl in the last flick, but at least he and everyone else, minus Frollo, made it out alive unlike in the novel or in the Broadway version of the Hunchback
"Disney spared Victor Hugo's characters only to force them to suffer a worse fate"...A SEQUEL!! XD
I have two headcanons about this movie. (Because you have nothing better to do while watching it than creating the funniest explanations for its weirder elements.)
1. Quasimodo hates the Festival L'Amour bell-ringing not because he's lonely, but because he hates listening to La Fidele "ring". He just doesn't want to insult the most famous bell in Paris.
2. Sarouche is actually a magician. How else could he have stolen the bell? (He probably learned from the same master that Mickey did.)
Hunchback Original was awesome, one of my favorite Disney movies of ALL time. An animated masterpiece, mix of the darkness of the original story and an incredible soundtrack.
The sequel....er.
Well, since I ranted about Forte in the Beauty and the Beast christmas review, why not rant about another musical instrument xD Ok... La Fidel.... is a horrible idea!! Skipping over the fact those jewels are obviously glass or crystal (because no way anyone could afford dinner plate-sized jewels and not rule the entire economy of the planet to do so), the first time you ring this suposedly-rung-every-year bell, every single gem would crack and rain fragments everywhere by the vibrations and the giant pendulum hitting the walls like a battering ram! Plus the shapes sculpted into the bell's insides would ruin the sound. This bell would not only have a shattered inside, the sound would be atrocious! Even if the outside was all bejeweld, the vibrations would still make the gems crack and fall off. Thats why you don't see traditional musical instruments decorated, their surface is part of their fine tuning. For some reason Disney sequels never do their homework when it comes to technical details.
Not everyone died in Notre Dame de Paris. Captain Phoebus lived.
He did suffer a terrible fate, though; he married.
Katie Lewis Pierre Gringoire was actually a real poet, so you can really call The Hunchback of Notre Dame an elaborate fanfiction.
Can't think of another channel where the number of subs is so disproportionate to the amount of work and love that goes into the content. It's maybe because musicals is a fairly niche topic, but in a fair world this channel will be blowing up soon - I can't think of a channel that deserves it more.
Great review and I agree that this movie is AWFUL! However, I will defend Madellaine as a character and her relationship with Quasimodo. First, I love how Madellaine is a socially awkward person and unlike other heroines that are like this (Anna and Rapunzel) it's not as forced and feels more natural and realistic. She has her own goals, has to stay with her employer to survive and not get thrown into jail (Back then, so much as stealing bread got you thrown in jail for years and branded for life), and has a fleshed out character. The romance is well-done in my opinion, though it deserves a MUCH better movie. Could Madellaine and the romance have been better? Yeah, but the same can be said about other beloved characters and romances. Also, I fail to see how Laverne is annoying to anyone because I think she's the perfect amount of serious and comedic but I don't go into detail because I know you won't read or respond to my comment.
However, I will share a fan-made plot I have for what I'd do if I got to remake this terrible sequel, which I hope to do someday, despite the SLIM chance that you'll actually read and reply to this (Not your fault, you're a demon, so you don't do fair lol). Anyway, Frollo’s brother Jehan (Who was in the book) receives news of his brother’s death and that Quasimodo, Esmeralda, and Phoebus were responsible. So he plots his revenge by pretending to be a Lord (Since none of them have ever seen him) and plans on killing the three. But to have Quasimodo especially pay, he uses his servant girl Madellaine to pretend to be in love with him and then reveal it was all a lie. She doesn’t want to at first but Jehan threatens to hurt or even kill her little brother by lashing him with a whip. She agrees in order to protect the only family she has left but while she was frightened by Quasi at first, eventually falls in love with him. Jehan also is doing all of this in order to make up for his sins of being with prostitutes and not being the man his brother wanted him to be. He even turns to some gypsies for help (Who are resentful of Esmeralda for marrying Pheobus and therefore turning her back on her people), and Jehan did mingle with gypsies in the book, but as soon as they're of no further use to him, plans on killing them and carry on his brother's mission to rid the world of the "gypsy filth."
Why wasn't THAT the movie :( ?!
"Back then, so much as stealing bread got you thrown in jail for years and branded for life."
Just ask Victor Hugo's other hero. ;-)
can we pretend that your version is the real sequel
I'd definitely love for everyone to do that. Thank you very much! I'd also like to be able to work for Disney and make it a reality but at this moment that's asking a little too much. Hopefully, someday I can make it a reality.
that's good
One major problem I noticed with this movie. The Hunchback of Notre Dame takes place in 1482, which means that this movie takes place about five years later or so, give or take. Meanwhile, the first modern circus as we know it today and as its featured here in this movie wasn't staged until the late 1700's.
what the heck were they thinking??
If Esmeralda has been married to Phoebus for some years now, shouldn't she at least have some shoes???
Maybe she prefers being barefoot?
I literally LOL'd at them romantically sighing "yuck" while staring into each other's eyes.
Can we also mention how madelaine looks like Tinker Bell?
*sees Hunchback of Notre Dame II and review in the same sentence* Oh, you poor soul....
I speak a little latin, so I can translate the villainous reveal flair:
Ave mysterium (Hail the mystery!)
Obscuro tintinnabulum. (I am concealing the small bell)
mirabile visum (Miraculous sight)
ecce hoc facto! (Behold this fact!)
The character (or more likely, the writer) isn't speaking latin very well, as the word used for bell only refers to small, hand-held bells. If we're going with medieval latin, the word he used should have been 'campana' rather than 'tintinnabulum.'
"Timmy's trapped in the well" a Lassie reference? XD
Just be glad this movie didn’t ruin Clopin! I mean they did him less screen time.... (and in my opinion it looks like they made his skin and Esmeralda’s skin a few shades lighter than in the original, that just bothers me) But they also claimed the Valentines Day rip-off was Clopin’s favorite holiday. Wrong! It’s the Feast of Fools! And kinda dropped the darker side of his personality, and the darker humor that came with it. Okay, yeah, they couldn’t save Clopin from this awful movie either...
We gonna ignore pretty much all the Romani people except Esmerelda, Clopin, Quasi and somewhat Zephyr are straight up gone?? The movie doesn’t even try to explain if the community from the Court of Miracles left after Frollo’s defeat. I actually thought it would’ve been interesting if the sequel was about Esmerelda’s family moving to another city because her Romani family is leaving with their community, and Quasi is really sad to see his friends leave
I gotta disagree with one thing here: while it is good for Disney to show that its okay to be "just" friends with your crush, they picked the WORST hero to learn that lesson! Disabled people are not taught that they deserve a happily ever after- they're taught that they won't get one, so don't try. While the sequel certainly didn't pull off the love story very well, it is good that Disney remembered to give Quasimodo equal treatment to the other Disney princes.
If that's what you got from the first movie, you missed the first movie entirely. Being disabled doesn't make Quasimodo more deserving of love. The first movie shows you don't need a love interest to be happy.
While I would like to see more disabled people who find love in media (as a disabled person myself), I think the lesson of the first film is a good one. Besides, it serves as a deconstruction of the Madonna/Whore complex; there are three men who are infatuated with Esmeralda, but the only one of them who sees her for who she is (Phoebus; Frollo demonized her [the "Whore"] while Quasi idealized* her [the "Madonna]), is the one who she ends up with.
*Not saying that's bad or not understandable; speaking as a person who was also emotionally abused as a child, we do have a tendency to idealize people who are nice to us (I'm getting therapy, some I'm luckily getting better with that).
@@ChristineTheHippie Then why does Esmeralda end up with Phoebus?
You can’t say that you don’t need romance in your life to be happy, but then only apply it to the *ugly, disabled protagonist.*
Why not also apply that to the conventionally attractive and able-bodied Esmeralda?
Besides, it creates the unfortunate implication that romantic love is only something *attractive and able-bodied people* can have.
@@beethovensfidelio because Phoebus saw her as a person. Quasimodo saw her as an angel. Guess what? Esmeralda isn't a prize
@@ChristineTheHippie Had they made Quasimodo *able-bodied and attractive,* then I would agree with your point, since it’s clear that Esmeralda rejected him due to his tendency to put her on a pedestal, not because of his appearance.
BUT the truth is that no matter how much you spin it, Quasimodo’s *ugliness and disability* will always be one of the many, MANY reasons that Esmeralda rejected him.
Of course, Esmeralda would go for the handsome, able-bodied Phoebus instead of the ugly, deformed Quasimodo because that’s what an ableist, lookist society teaches us.
Yes, you don’t need romance in your life to be happy, but why is that message always directed at people who are *ugly or disabled?*
Is it because ugly people and disabled people are not meant to be in romantic relationships, so they should just accept their lot in life?
Wouldn’t that message have been stronger had they made the conventionally attractive, able-bodied Esmeralda single?
Why does Esmeralda and Phoebus get to have a romance?
But not Quasimodo?
It’s like a rich person telling a poor person that they don’t need money in their life to be happy.
It’s hypocritical BS!
Of course, the “good” guy who treats Esmeralda as a person is handsome and able-bodied, and the “bad” guy who treats Esmeralda as an angel is ugly and disabled.
The “Fallen in Love” song makes me want to die.
I absolutely adore how this film tries to indicate that Phoebus is being racist towards clowns, and how it keeps comparing his distrust of the circus troupe to the discrimination against the Romani in the first film, AND how he ends up being right. It's such an absolute clustercuss, it's glorious.
Do Madeline and Sarouche remind anyone else of Meg and Hades? (Slave girl with a depressing backstory, psychopath boss, blahblahblah.)
Except, that plot line and relationship was handled perfectly! This one-isn’t.
And it also reminds me of Buster and Angel's from Lady and the Tramp 2 and Margalo and Falcon's from Stuart Little 2.
I know that the manipulating villain to get the girl to do what he wants genre sucks, but how come it worked in Stuart Little 2, and not the hunchback of notre dame 2?
Well, that's because Faclon threatends Margalo to do these things, like getting Mrs. Little's ring, if she's doesn't, Stuart would been eaten, which is really a dark thing and that's what made Faclon a threatening villain, plus his motivations and actions made a little sense. Sarousch's motivations on stealing La Fidele is just ridiculous.
I agree. Still, this movie is better then whatever the hell the hunchback remake is gonna be XD@@zackrules4797