joyunicycle 1. "Tis" isn't old English. It's nonsense. 2. Graham Chapman said "it is". A popular misquote like "Luke I am your father" or "hello Clarice".
@@equusquaggaquagga536 I can tell you with certainty that tis is an actual word and a contraction for it is (I looked it up). If you don't believe me that's fine, we agree to disagree.
Biggest problem here is just wasted potential. There are seeds of a good story here, even a great one with the right writing team, but everyone was so focused on making a Disney clone that it couldn't stand on its own. It's really a shame...
The 'post-Aladdin Comic Relief' trend that ruined this movie (and Hunchback, and others) really cements for me that movie studios really are just a cargo cult. They don't actually understand what it is that makes audiences like things, so they blindly ape formulas with no understanding of context, and more often than not shit out literal garbage with no idea it's terrible until it hits theaters.
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 it didn't ruined the Hunchback of Notre dame because it already had a really powerful story. And these characters only appear for a few scenes and not a central focus of the feature. And, I have to admit they can be entertaining. They don't even have a central focus in a scene, they are not loud, take all the focus, or doing unnecessary pop jokes, they didn't ruin a movie that took all the steps beforehand. It had a dark and powerful story, memorable and complex characters, unforgettable songs and more. How are freaking three characters that barely appear in the whole movie, barely doing something stupid, barely interrupt the story and are pretty funny ruined such a fantastic movie?!
...I might have figured out a way for Kayley to be a more compelling character. What if she was resentful of her father and his position as a knight? From her point of view, Sir Lionel isn't doing anything particularly exciting like slaying invaders or dragons--he's just doing the "boring" job of riding around helping people, leading Kayley to believe she could do his job better and be a properly swashbuckling knight. Meanwhile in Camelot, Nimue--who's the villain of this version of the story--is having the same problems in her relationship with her mentor, Merlin. She doesn't particularly care about his position as advisor to the King; she just wants his amazing powers, thinking she could use them to greater effect. This would set Kayley and Nimue up as parallels to each other and make the point about how truly great individuals care less about *having* great power and more about how they use that power to help others. Call it the medieval Spiderman treatment, in a way. :P Also, having Nimue there to do the whole "sealing Merlin away in a tree forever" thing would create a conflict that makes more sense--after all, without the man he's trusted since childhood, King Arthur isn't entirely sure what to do anymore, and Camelot grows weaker as a result, prompting action from our heroes.
Bonus: Nimue resents how Sir Lionel trains Gareth almost like they're father and son, yet Merlin seemingly ignores her desire to have greater control over her magic, treating her more as a servant than an apprentice. At the end Merlin fills us in that he was training Nimue to learn self-control and patience and when it's appropriate to use magic, but she failed his lessons.
@@thirteenfury God, and that would make Gareth's relationship with Merlin not only a lot more specific (as oppposed to the vague hinting they did in the original), but really heartbreaking and a further counterpoint to Kayley and Nimue. They both resented their respective mentors... Gareth loved both of his. And the two of them being gone means that there's no one left who doesn't believe he's worthless because of his blindness, hence his self-imposed exile. We are just gonna write a better movie right here in this comments section... XD
if we're writing a better movie in the comments, then I feel like we should also fix the romance between Kayley and Gareth, and for this, I think the framework that's set up will work beautifully. basically, Gareth thinks that his training was cut short, and now that no one believes in him anymore, he'll never be able to complete it or take up his desired position as a knight. but really, he has all of the core qualities that one would expect to see from a knight. he's already naturally inclined to be empathetic to people in need, especially because his own life circumstances have been so hard on him... and his time in the forest has forced him to use the combat skills he learned in practical ways every day, and even develop some of his own based on how he functions without his eyesight. he's a bit unconventional when compared to a classically trained knight, but he does what's most important for a knight to do morally. and this is what he would teach Kayley. I'd love to see her being actually fairly competent in a fight, or with a sword, because her ambition to become a knight causes her to actually practice a lot... but maybe she's a bit self centered, and finds herself in situations where she can protect and defend herself just fine, but fails to really help anyone else with her actions in the moment. she has all these grand ideas about what it would take to win a glorious victory, but she gets so fixated on checking all the boxes for a good adventure, that she forgets to act like a good person. which isn't to say that she'd actively be a bad person... but she's really much more used to looking out for herself first. and you could give her a backstory full of people doubting her, which made her super extra extremely eager to prove them all wrong... but also gave her a very adversarial relationship toward other people in general. but Gareth and Kayley could definitely connect in terms of people doubting their capabilities, and Gareth being the empathetic person that he is in this version of things, would probably recognize some of Kayley's bitterness at being treated like she was never going to amount to anything. he'd probably have to soften her up a bit by actually recognizing her legitimate talents before she'd really start to listen to him, and he'd probably be totally frustrated with her at first, but his frustration might just be that he sees an unflattering reflection of feelings that he's felt before when he looks at Kayley. it makes Kayley into a competent yet flawed character, and it makes their eventual feelings for each other make a lot more sense. and it also connects them via their mutual aspiration to measure up to Sir Lionel. Kayley wants to prove herself to be just as good as her father, and Gareth wants to do right by his mentor... they're both chasing the same inspirational figure, but with entirely different emotions as the driving force behind their tenacity. and the formation of their bond would also be entirely wrapped up in the plot, because a lot of these feelings would come up as the result of battling against the main villain.
@Rebecca Woolf Yes, sorry that's actually what I meant. They got someone else to do the singing parts even though he actually can sing. Should have been clearer, sorry.
She really doesn't...and to be fair, Disney did make the villain in Mulan look like an Asian emo version of the villain of this movie...so I guess they're even.
PhoenixRising87 This is utter bull crap! XD The designs for Mulan had been finalized long before this sorry Camelot failure was even in production. Do you have any idea how quickly development art and model sheets leak around the studios, once it’s made available to the crew? People lunch, after all, and the studios were not far from each other at the time. There might be a slight resemblance (and that’s really a stretch), but if anything, WB had their hands on the Disney model sheets long before the designs for this turd were done, and likely ripped the Disney project off. Disney Feature Animation even had an in-studio screening of Camelot to laugh at and show exactly how NOT to make an animated feature! It was hilarious!
The sad thing is though, I really like the idea of a mother character having a song praying for her daughter's safety; it gives the mother so much more agency in that moment than the daughter simply running away; you're unsure if they're ever going to be able to see each other again. But I swear, I hated those fricking dragons even when I was five. >_>
Side note, the movie apparently doesn't know the difference between trolls and ogres, which is strange, because I don't think they have anything in common.
This movie is a childhood favorite of mine and I'm happy to see somebody review it with a much more calm and patient demeanor than the Nostalgia Critic did.
The Nostalgia Critic's revews have always been intended as more funny than analytical. Even if he sometimes touched upon good talking points, in the end they were mostly accidental. Diva touches on the problems with this movie far better, though at the same time, there's a lot of good to be found here if you're willing to forgive the film's studio-mandated flaws.
@@PhoenixRising87 In lazily written movies with lazily designed characters? Literally that guy. With all the sorts of traits the video specifically names when introducing the villain as a topic.
Dunes8 I never understood why animators rely on that trope so badly. You can make a villainous character without making look OBVIOUSLY evil (look at Gaston, Mother Gothel, and even Frollo). If you have to draw them evil-liking from the bat, at least explain why that is. A nice backstory for the guy would’ve made sense, heck even his song would’ve been a nice way to explain how he became the way he did.
they could have made him look normal at first, and get progressively uglier and twitchier as he descends into madness and meddles with dark magic, that would have been way more interesting
12:44 - These characters and their song are a perfect example of the post-Aladdin comic relief you mentioned. They try to rip off the reference-heavy humour of _Friend Like Me_ without actually understanding why it, and the Genie as a whole, worked so well. Genie's anachronistic pop culture references were a result of Robin William's one-of-a-kind ad-libbing that the animators worked around. Many of the gags are quick-fire and you'll usually miss three in the time it takes you to notice one. The character himself is also so lovable and his movements are so well animated and executed that the jokes are still funny even if you don't get what they're referencing. In Quest For Camelot the references are pushed to the forefront and dragged out, as if they're begging the audience to notice and laugh rather than trusting them to do it on their own. Additionally, the Genie is firmly established as a supremely magical being with phenomenal cosmic powers, and it's fair to assume that his anachronisms come from an ability to see the future or travel through time (an episode of the Aladdin TV show later confirmed the latter). And the other characters are clearly just as awestruck and/or confused as the audience would be, so once again, the jokes are funny even if you don't get the references. Devon and Cornwall are talking dragons, but that's the only supernatural thing the film actually establishes about them, so it makes no sense for them to reference modern day things that don't exist yet in the medievel. And none of the other characters actually react to these anachronisms or most of their jokes for that matter, so it seems even more jarring.
@@jacksonlennox5947 I don't remember the exact one, but one episode has a throwaway joke where he's shown fighting in an actual historical war (the Napoleonic war, if memory serves)
@@superfanmusicmaker I don't know if it's the same episode, but I did see one recently where they had to conveniently say that Genie was out of town "hanging out with some friends," and he was folding a newspaper hat with Napoleon. That episode is called "Vocal Hero" in case anyone wants to check that out.
I named my daughter Kaylee a month after my brother named his son Garrett and I found out about this movie's existence a full year later. It felt weird.
You forgot the worst sin this movie committed: Prematurely murdering _The Iron Giant._ No joke. When this film fell flat at the box office, it convinced Warner Bros. that it wouldn’t be worth their time to market _The Iron Giant._ Of course, close to no one knew about it, and it resulted in the film failing, feeding into Warner Bros. preconceptions regarding animated films.
I never knew there was so much meddling with this movie. I guess that explains why it was so bad. And while you mentioned the disconnect between the action scene and "The Prayer", I'm surprised you didn't count that as a sin. The difference is so bizarre. Even if you DID mute the background noises, I really don't think that song can be set to a scene filled with action, a chase, and a desperate escape from monsters. It would've been better suited to a post-chase scene, focusing on the mother and Kayley resting in the woods.
I think it could have worked if we had seen Kayley from her mother's perspective, looking out at her over a distance as she sang. We could still see Kayley being chased, but would feel more for the mother.
I have more likes than dislikes for it personally. Sure, the lead is nothing new and i did wish this was something different, but i just like the songs, characters and mythical feel of it all.
Hey, I like it, too, mainly for Eric Idle and Don Rickles, but David "HitMan" Foster did write some good songs, with "The Prayer" actually being a breakout hit. I think "Through Your Eyes" may have been as well. I remember hearing it on the radio more than once.
Hugh Mann I liked it, too. And, personally, I think people should cut Kayley some slack. I mean, sure, she wants to be the world's greatest knight, but, she isn't stupid! I mean, if you were unarmed and faced up against evil mutants that had weapons for hands, and you were terribly outnumbered, would you try to stand and fight or would you run for your life? Of course, one could argue that it didn't stop Garret from fighting them, but, Garret was trained to fight. Kayley was not.
You know what could have been done to save this protagonist? If she believed that in order to be a good knight she needed to fiercely protect everyone around her, like her father who died to save King Arthur. This would give her something to motivate her to be a good knight and gradually learn that she doesn't need to overexert herself or that everyone needs protecting. That would give her actual chemistry with Garret instead of pointless banter. In traveling through unfamiliar places she could learn she actually needs to listen to someone other than herself in order to help them, like a knight. Making her flawed would give her a legitimate ark, which would be much better than she was in the actual movie.
I would make Kaylee someone who is a person who likes to think outside of the box and this comes into play with one of the biggest changes I’d make to the movie which is to make Cornwall and Devon two separate dragons with contrasting personalities voiced by John Cleese and Dom Deluise respectfully. They are still outcasts in dragon society but this time it’s because they refuse to fight any knights which is a huge milestone into gaining acceptance in their culture. Cornwall is a pacifist intellectual dragon who believes that fighting knights is beneath him. Devon is your typical Dom Deluise coward who has a heart of gold and wants to help but needs encouragement from the protagonist to help him overcome his fears. Think Tiger from American Tail but as a dragon. Devon is terrified of fighting a knight and every time the word “knight” (and night) is said, he starts freaking out. Kaylee then comes up with the brilliant idea that if Cornwall and Devon help her retrieve Excalibur, they’d be helping save the day and in the process fight some knights which would help them be accepted by the other dragons as the rule is that a dragon has to fight a knight in order to be a part of dragon society but it never says that it has to be one of King Arthur’s knights. An evil knight would count because he’s still a knight no matter who he is working for.
This is a bit like what you'd get if you bleached the Disney classics of everything that made a given movie unique and tried to fund the average of the rest. And then added annoying comic relief, because only post-Aladdin Disney films had that kind of it.
If anything, I think this is what modern Disney probably think their Disney classics are like, resulting in their mediocre to lousy live action remakes.
@@oscarstainton That's pretty obviously false. Modern Disney has consistently framed its remakes as fixing mistakes made in the original. (Whether the mistakes were there, the repairs successful, or the original plot framework suitable to be repaired rather than replaced... let's call those inconstant factors.)
The same basic contempt from the studio towards their own animation legacy is apparent. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King didn't need "fixing" yet here we are with three vastly inferior "live action" movies. And when talking about the problematic elements of older or more recent films (alleged or otherwise) that should still be open to conversation rather than trying to pave them over.
The sad thing is that the animation isn't too bad for the 90's. Imagine what this movie could have been like if it had more competent, less cliched writing!
“Ruber is condemned to an extended meditation retreat” now THAT is a film I would pay good money to see 👏👏👏 In fact, a film entirely focused on various failed villains going through some sort of rehabilitation process against their will and trying (and failing) to band together and escape would be utterly hilarious 😂
I do love the music in this movie on its own (yes, even "If I didn't have you") and I do admire the fact that th th chose to go with a disabled protagonist who isn't "fixed" at the end of the movie. That said, there are a lot of things that could have been done to improve this film. The biggest one being "Fleshing out the relationship between Kayley and Julianna". Like, what if Julianna talked with her daughter at some point and said something like "I don't want you to become a knight because I don't want to lose you like I lost your father. Please stay at home and do things like gathering taxes, distributing land properly, and finding a consort with whom you can make some heirs". Also, having to deal with an arranged marriage (even if this society is less sexist than actual Medieval England) would give Kayley a sympathetic reason for wishing to be a knight, rather than just "I'm entitled to knighthood because my dad was a knight before me and I don't have any siblings".
It's sad, because the story has such potential. I think in the right hands, it would've been great. The disconnect between the songs and the characters and tone is jarring and there's so many pointless cliches. Some of the songs are nice, but again, they don't match the tone or anything else.
You wouldn't even need to change the plot that much. Make Kaylee half the active heroine the movie thinks she is, even out the tone, and have Ruber's henchmen either not be comic relief or not the only way he gets stuff done 90% of the time, and the movie would at least rise a bit above the Disney Clone label. Define the main characters and cut the annoying ones on top of that, and you've got the potential to make a classic that clones the *good* parts of Disney along with the easy stuff.
@@timothymcleanMy biggest change is have the dragons be two entirely different and separate characters who are outcasts from dragon society. Cornwell is voiced by Tim Curry and thinks of himself as a dragon with finer tastes and Devon is your typical Don Deluise animated coward (think Tiger from An American Tail or Itchy from All Dogs Go to Heaven) who has anxiety attacks when he sees something he is afraid of. The reason why they are outcasts is because in the dragon’s society, every dragon must fight a knight and survive once they reach a certain age in order to be accepted by the rest of their kind. Cornwall refuses to fight a knight because he thinks it’s too crass and way beneath a dragon like himself and Devon won’t do it because one of his many phobias is men clad in armor while riding a horse and carrying a lance. Kaylee begs the dragons to help her get Excalibur back but Cornwall politely declines the plea and says that they’d would really like to help but they can’t because they don’t see what the point of getting involved would be. Kaylee then comes up with the brilliant argument that they would fight some knights in the process and finally be accepted into the dragons’ society because the rule states that they must fight a knight and it is never stated that the knight has to be good or evil. The Dragons see the logic behind Kaylee’s argument and they then agree to help. As for the axe-chicken thing, he is continuously abused by Ruber for a majority of the movie and he gets fed up with the treatment that he just abandons his master and joins the heroes near the end of the second act and he is their guide to Ruber’s castle. This way he has more importance to the plot and an actual reason why he joins the good guys.
If there is one good thing this movie did right, its the animation. The effects are stunning, the movements are very smooth, the characters have a lot of details and have a creative supply of character design.
This is honestly a nostalgic guilty pleasure movie for me. Even for all its flaws I can’t hate it. Also, voice mismatch aside, I Stand Alone is an awesome song. I’m kinda surprised it wasn’t a Saving Grace.
All of the songs, for the most part, were pretty great. And (forgive the pun, it's not intentional) as stand alone songs, without the context of the movie as a whole, they're actually really beautiful and would probably do well if this had been literally any other musical movie. A movie that actually knew how to put these songs to good use. But, because of the storyline, and the way the songs are presented, the beauty is muddled. For instance, the Celine Dion song. I watched this movie when I was very young, and back then, her song bored me and felt out of place. Years later, when I was much older, it still bored me and felt out of place. Shortly after, I began playing a scuba diving game on the Wii, and the majority of the soundtrack was Celtic Woman music, and wouldn't you know it? They did a cover for Celine's song. And I LOVED it. It was gorgeous and I had so much fun calmly swimming through the water, listening to this song while I collected lost treasures and discovered new fish. I had no recollection of it being in this movie, at all. When I later re-watched the movie, it was jarring, because sure as sh*t, that's the song I love. I closed my eyes, and for the first time while watching this movie, I enjoyed listening to the mother sing her piece. It's a crying shame that the story falls flat, because with a good story to string them together, these songs would have been really, REALLY nice to watch and listen to. On My Father's Wings and Stand Alone are wonderful songs as well, if only they weren't attached to such annoyingly stereotypical characters.
While I agree somewhat (as an aspie, I related to that song a lot, so I definitely agree that it's awesome; in fact, Garrett is awesome. Someone should remake this movie with _him_ as the protagonist!), I feel like the voice mismatch was too much for Diva to consider it a saving grace. Which, honestly, fair enough.
@@silversamurai0267 Really, the only one that's actually bad is Ruber's Song, which was _probably_ supposed to remind us that he's a bit too insane to actually form a coherent song, but looking back, that's really NOT an excuse because I've seen better songs that play that kinda thing. Even "If I Didn't Have You" isn't that bad when you remove it from the movie's context--it was long and I believe still is a staple of silly AMVs.
Something I randomly remembered while watching this video and getting to the love song part is when some people say "men and women can't just be friends" and I think that belief stems from movies because the male and female protagonists almost always fall in love and it's stupid.
I wouldn't say it's all because of movies, so much as that it's influenced by how nearly all stories across basically all media accidentally reinforce this idea of "boy meets girl, plot happens, boy wins girl," which often gets stuck in children's understanding of the world before they're mature enough to make any meaningful friendships. The ubiquity of the romantic subplot and how it influences worldviews is a root for all sorts of twisted ideas about romance, like "nice guys are entitled to girls," "you need a relationship to be happy/normal," and "you need to keep writing romance subplots whenever two opposite-gender characters are in a plot that doesn't openly prevent romance...and maybe if it does".
Yeah, I’m sick of the whole “he’s a boy and she’s a girl so they should kiss” thing. Half the time, it’s just assumed that because a male and female character of roughly similar ages are in the same story, that’s enough for the audience to buy that they’re in love, so the romance isn’t really developed, so it feels forced when they suddenly start acting like a couple. Don’t get me wrong, I love a good romance-emphasis on GOOD. If you’re going to have a romance, it needs to be well-developed and serve the plot, not just be two characters suddenly kissing at the expense of the plot, especially when said characters have shown no hint of romantic chemistry until their sudden kiss.
From what I've read about the book, most of what I found memorable was a Warner Brothers addition. My intuition is that the original version (probably just a script or something) looked likely to turn into a fantasy movie without the mass-market appeal to draw a crowd through basic marketing or the quality and/or novelty to bring in viewers by word of mouth. That's what happened with Fan4stic, and probably a lot of other movies affected by studio meddling; what they had at the time didn't look like it could succeed on either its broad appeal or its genuine quality, so they hacked in one of the two and hoped for the least bad.
7:52 Hey, come on Diva. He’s weak pointless comic relief that can talk... with the voice of Urkel from family matters. So, ya know... that’s something.
Well, that was a really nice review. You had a lot of positive opinions and this was a nice time. I guess Lucifer is finally easing up- "Next Case: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Coming Out of Their Shells" Oh, f**k.
@@skyblueblazes9332 that reminds me, she could review that Spongebob Atlantis episode (Atlantis Squarepantis), you know, where everyone sang AWFUL songs *except* the one character voiced by David fucking Bowie. (eyup, they got David Bowie to voice a character in a musical and he didn't have any song whatsoever)
Honestly they didn't even "needed" the comedy relief dragons with how comical the villains ended up been. I laughed at Rupert and the grifind more than anyone else in the movie.
I have an idea of how they could have incorporated the dragons and make them better in the process. First off they are two separate characters from the start and are voiced by John Cleese and Dom Deluise. They are outcasts from the other dragons because they refuse to fight knights which is a rite of passage for their culture. Cornwall is a sophisticated intellectual dragon who thinks violence is beneath him and Devon is your typical Dom Deluise coward. Kaylee then comes up with the perfect way for them to be accepted by the other dragons which is they help her fight Ruber’s evil knights and it would count as fighting a knight as the rule never says that the knight had to be one of King Arthur’s.
Jan Mikhail Gaid Yet “The Iron Giant” bombed at the box office due to “Quest for Camelot”. Yes really! WB attributed the box office failure of “Quest for Camelot” to people disliking the film because it wasn’t made by Disney. 🙄 Therefore, they decided to throw in the towel and not market “The Iron Giant” out of fear it would bomb at the box office, which it did anyway. 😂 I loathe the theory of *“people hate animated films because they’re not made by Disney”* because it negates the existence of great non-Disney animated films like “The Secret of NIMH”, “An American Tail”, “The Land Before Time”, “The Prince of Egypt”, “South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut”, “The Simpsons Movie”, and any of the “Hayao Miyazaki” films like “Spirited Away”.
I understand they changed the heroine's name from Lynette (an actual name from Arthurian legend and from the source novel on which this is very, VERY loosely based) to Kayley after one of the animators' daughters. Because really, "Kayley" sounds like a name from medieval England and not at all like a late twentieth-century girls' name, doesn't it?
I was literally just talking to someone about this, like yeah, not an anachronistic name in the leeeeast. Definitely doesn’t lock the time period the movie could have likely been made into, roughly, the years 1996-2003, does it, “Kayley”? Maybe her sisters are named macKenzie, Tori, and Madison? Maybe she has a brother named Jayden or Chad.
17:30- The funny thing is there is an explanation for this. He smiled at his wife for less than a second. I’m not even joking. That’s why we’re supposed to buy this change in character. I only noticed that because I happened to look at the right side of the screen when it happened. That’s just lazy.
Yeah, can confirm: His heel-face-turn is spurred by seeing his mate in a cage, at which point he presumably realized that Rupert had to be stopped. Would've been nice if the camera at least focused on that for a moment or two, instead of just letting it happen in the background before he speaks up.
Say what you about Mr Enter and his takes, but he brought up a good point about Bladebeak. The real question about his change of heart should be "Why was he working with Ruber in the first place?"
I made my friends laugh by making fun of the differences in Garret’s speaking and singing voice. *British accent* I wook alone. *Sudden American country singer.* Like everuh’ tree!
Separate singing voices in animated films have been a trend since Aladdin in 1992 with Brad Kane and Lea Salonga (who made Jasmime the first Disney princess to have a separate singing voice).
Fun Fact: this movie had an official website made after it that very year (1998). I don’t know if it’s still around, but I distinctly remember seeing it for myself, as late as 2010!
I admit to liking this movie as a kid... But looking back, I can see the flaws. I still like the concept of human/weapon hybrids though, but I'm weird like that.
Concept: A comic relief character who makes pop culture references. However, it’s explicitly said that no one else knows what the fuck he’s talking about and just see him as a raving lunatic.
The sad part is that most of the non-comedic music itself isn't terrible, just terribly implemented. Setting aside Bryan "Someone Else's Star" White, one of my favorite singers (Andrea Corr, lead singer of The Corrs) is Kayley's singing voice, and another of my favorites (Leann Rimes) does the 'breakaway pop hit' version of "Looking Through Your Eyes". It is the weakest single of her career by far, it's true, but adolescent me really didn't care. Also, the opening number, "United We Stand", may have lyrics cornier than Kansas in August (thanks to Kyle Kallgren for the immensely swipable quote), but the Celtic craze of the late 90s really did wonders for the instrumentation. The drums and strings alone are well worth a listen. Also I have no idea what that male chorus is chanting in the background before the lyrics properly start up, but it SOUNDS incredible. Yes, the actual lyrics are incredibly weak (and really show this film's American roots, probably more so than The Sword in the Stone, the other famous American animated feature set around Arthurian mythos), but if you can find an instrumental track, I HIGHLY encourage you hear it for yourself. The seams in this movie show in a way that's painful to watch, because you can easily spot the places where this could and SHOULD have been a great epic fantasy musical on par with Disney's contemporary offerings. They had the talent and the creativity (there are still some astonishing visuals and 2D animation to be found even here), but executive meddling left its mark, and took what was great down to barely watchable, and then only with the sound off during the non-musical numbers (and the Villain song, and the comedy relief song...)
The Prayer is also very beautiful and it’s a shame how it was used in the movie. The idea of Kaylee’s mother praying for her daughter’s safety in the form of a song is a great idea and Celine did a great job performing it as always even without any of the long high notes she’s famous for.
3:33 Huh. I guess Lancelot is out to lunch. Heck, even Bedivere would probably knock this guy over. Mordred would obliterate him. ... Yes, I do play Fate: Grand Order. ... Why isn’t Mordred the villain again?
I know right? Gareth and Tristan would have tko'd Ruber's butt in 5 seconds flat too.You'd think Lancelot would be more involved, what with his brother Sir Lionel being killed tragically defending the king.
The original novel didn't focus on any of the three or four standard Arthurian plot points, so Ruber is probably the end result of adapting the book's villain, then adapting that, then tweaking whatever came out, etc. @@metademetra The way I see it, any Arthurian story which brings up Galehaut the Uncrowned King is worth checking out. Not that I've found any...
...So... Kaley's relationship to the plot is basically the same as Inspector Gadget's is in episodes of that series? A proactive but incompetent protagonist who only survives via luck and the intervention of those around them? But played straight and without any sense of awareness of that being what the protagonist is rather than for laughs?
@@MusicalHell True. Though honestly I think the live action IG film did it worse. At least Cartoon Gadget was likeable. Mathew Broderick's Gadget is a soft spoken self esteem deprived pussy.
I actually love "On My Father's Wings" as one of the more memorable songs of this movie growing up as a kid, even more than "The Prayer", which apparently went on to be famous out of the context of this movie? (Going by Nostalgia Critic's reaction, at least). Agreement on how they should have handled that one... muting would have definitely helped. But also... why do reviewers (because Diva is far from the first) keep thinking that Garret's blindness should have been cured by the sword being returned to the stone? He lost his eyesight of a natural tragedy (iirc, a random fire in the barn) many years ago. Why would undoing a lot of dark magic caused by the villain's interference in this movie undo that too? I can't see where it would even be implied possible, tbh.
Hex Maniac Quinn maybe people wonder that because of the fact that when everything is being reversed Devon and Cornwall are separated till they decide to remain conjoined... but they were hatched like that so if they could have had separate bodies due to excalibur being returned to the stone it’s an argument for Garrett regaining sight. Just a theory for the reason why some think he should have been able to see again at the end.
Hex Maniac Quinn Garret might as well not be blind, because there's parts where he notices things that he shouldn't notice if he's blind. For example, he was the one to notice when Devon and Cornwall were flying. I'm like "How the Frank Frinklefelcker do you know they're flying if you're blind?"
@@thomashuffman3237 I always just assume he felt or heard their wing flaps or where their voices were coming from or other such shenanigans. I mean he doesn't have a literal sonar like Daredevil, but other senses being heightened isn't an alien concept.
I think that if they were two separate dragons who decide to help the heroes out of the interest in stopping the bad guy to gain the respect of their peers who bully them because they are respectfully too cowardly (Devon) and docile (Cornwall) where the other dragons are aggressive and think that surviving a battle with the knights is a rite of passage to becoming a true dragon. Devon and Cornwall have never done this ritual and are passed the age that it typically occurs. Devon is afraid of so many things that he rarely leaves his cave while Cornwall despises unnecessary violence and would rather settle differences without fighting and this makes them both outcasts and each other’s only friends until they meet Kaylee and Garrett who help them realize that they are far more than that and that helping retrieve Excalibur could help the other dragons respect them because they would get to fight evil knights and it’d still count as completing the ritual as the rules never said that the knights had to be good guys.
I swear to you guys this movie was so loved in Italy because of the excellent dub! The songs are so good in Italian (both in lyrics and performance), that I'm really shocked about how it sounds in English: the performances are so bland, so emotionless, they sound almost amateur-ish comparing it to the Italian version. Anyway totally still a guilty pleasure.
To a certain degree, I liked this movie. But that love was more directed towards the music, to be honest. United We Stand is my absolute favorite song from this
If there is a thing this movie got right its the animation. The characters are very creative in design, moves very smooth, the effects are stunning and have A LOT of detail.
"because power of cooperation or some shit" This isn't even a humorous oversimplification; it's all the explanation the movie gives, with the same amount of detail.
No you're missing the most baffling detail: The thing they decided to start agreeing on was "humans be fine." All throughout the movie both characters were kind of skeevy, talking about wooing human women and actually lowkey ogling Kaley. And Garrett got them to agree on something by going "You both love Kaley, don't you?" Moral of the story: dragon boners solve your problems.
@@timothymclean Yeah I'd describe this movie as weird, and 90% of that is because of the human ogling two-headed dragon that may or may not be the product of incest.
Ooh!! Ooh, I think I figured something out. Okay, so kayley gets knighted in that white dress, it’s the same dress her mom was helping fit her for at the beginning! It’s probably the only formal gown she owns, since she’s a tomboy and stuff. She probably borrowed her mom’s jewelry for the event. That’s maybe the one thing in the whole movie that’s kinda clever. Aww. She ended up wearing that dumb dress AND being a knight. Isn’t that cute. Assuming I’m not wrong.
To think the original book of this film was way way more adult. Can’t imagine what the screenwriters were like when reading the rape scene of the book.
enyacoladas The novel follows the experiences of Lynette of Arthurian Legend after she saves her sister Leonie from the Red Knight, covering the events of the original legends as a series of flashbacks and vastly expanding Lynette's character.
Congratulations for being the only reviewer I know of for restraining themselves from making a Monty Python joke during this. That can't be easy, especially since Eric Idle is in it. Also, fun fact: like the first Descendants film, the songs in this movie were an afterthought, hence why they're so out of place.
I just had the thought that this would be a great movie to slap the old “fix the underdeveloped romance by making them childhood friends” bandage onto. I admit I’m biased because I’m a sucker for the “childhood friends who were separated growing up and have new and complicated feelings towards each other now that they’ve been reunited” trope, but it could work for this one! What if Kayley and Garett knew each other through her father mentoring him but wound up thrust down different paths after his death? Maybe even Kayley was raised in Camelot, giving them ample opportunity to know each other and have shared memories to bond over when they reunite, but after her father’s death, her mother decided to move them out of the castle because of trauma or wanting to raise Kayley somewhere with less battle training going on or something, so Kayley grew up assuming that Garett stayed in Camelot and must’ve become a great knight and stuff. Having a previous relationship gives Garett more reason to help Kayley than “because the bird likes her?” and gives them some common ground to have actual conversations and bond rather than just shallow bantering.
I used to love this movie as a kid. I know better now, but I will admit that this little bit of dialogue kinda gets a giggle out of me. Kaylee--Oh, I didn't realize you were... Garrett--What? Tall? Rugged? Handsome? Kaylee--Blind. Garrett--I always forget that one.
Best way to sum up Disney and other competitors, Disney is Coke, DreamWorks is Pepsi and the others are failed imitations. Also, I was tempted to shout "LOTERÍA!" when those knights were shouting their virtues. Also, Kaleigh's singing voice, funny enough, wasn't by a British person but by Andrea Corr, lead singer of The Corrs and Irish, not British, where the film sets place.
Comparing Disney with Coke is actually pretty good: Both are unhealthy and sugary, both have shaped pop-culture in a way we don't even comprehend, and both are developing a grasp on the world's economy that I'm not ready to support anymore. I'll stay with Frizz Cola.
Yeah...and this guy is based off, off Mordred...which tbh I don't understand why he isn't:? I Mean Mordred is aside from Lancelot and King Arthur one of the most well-known figures from Arthurian legends and in most movies, adaptations, works that use Arthur he is sure to appear alongside Morgan Le Fey and Guinevere, Lady of the Lake and Merlin. I mean he is one of the most well-known villains too. Why make up a new knight when you already have a villain right there? I mean Mordred being King's Arthur's nephew(by his sister/half-sister-and no he was son of Morgause, not Morgan. Morguase was Arthur's sister but he didn't know that at the time- none the less, but in the movie he could be someone else's son) would have a natural claim for the throne. Being of the royal family. He could think he's entitled to the throne and want to do away with his uncle. I think Morgouse was Pendragon's kid from first marriage even, so that would give Mordred more motivation. He's the son of someone who'd been there first, woman or not he has MORE right to Excalibur and throne. and thus he does the villainous stuff.
Was reminded of the Animaniacs hour long episode "Hooray for North Hollywood" and a joke that was self flagellation on Warner brothers animation studio. Namely a flop animated movie that was a horrific amalgamation of Quest for Camelot and Space Jam called "Jamalot"
@@colleen4ever didn't say Space Jam was a flop; though now that I think about it, Jamalot may have also been a jab at the movie musical Camelot, which was also directed by Warner bros failing to recapture the success they saw with the film adaptation of My Fair Lady
Diego Hernandez I have a problem with people who shit on their employees and cover up for known rapists, yes. Until and unless CA issues a real apology for what they’ve done, I’m happy to take my views elsewhere.
That feel when her own father spent more time with a blind kid than his own daughter. That feel when the main villain waited ten years to enact his plan, his plan that would allow a grown-up Kayley to sneak off and find Excalibur before he could. That feel when there are three comedy relief characters in the movie and not one of them is funny. That feel when Sir Ruber is literally the only evil, off-putting, and ugly thing in the entire movie, but who's backstory is completely omitted for some reason. That feel when Merlin uses no spells to retrieve Excalibur or treat Arthur's wounds. That feel when not even one gosh darn song in the movie was well written or memorable. That feel when Sir Ruber only names one of his minions "Blade beak" for no discernible reason. That feel when Sir Ruber stabs the sword into the stone at a 35 degree angle- which magically transforms into a perfect 90 degree angle. That feel when one of the worst romances between two main characters in an animated film ever.
Personally, I think this movie would be 200× better by simply taking out the two headed dragon. As far as Ruper goes, he's a flat placeholder villain with crappy motives but I enjoy his portrayal. He has a certain charisma to him that appeals to me.
TBH I personally think nearly all Disney movies would also be waaay better without their comic relief sidekick characters too 😬 The only exceptions I can think of off the top of my head are Lion King & Little Mermaid?
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Lion King is because Timon and Pumba actually add to the plot. They move the story forward. And they don't stop the movie for the dumb gags for the most part.
@@midwinterhunt Good point! Ditto for Sebastian, at least, in Little Mermaid.... I struggle to think of any useful story function enacted by the ubiquitous slapstick animal sidekicks in Pocahontas or Moana! 🤦🏻♀️
Somehow, “Barbie and the Three Musketeers” did this better despite having completely different source material, no musical numbers, and way fewer celebrity voice actors.
He's supposed to look villainous, which traditionally means both "scary" and "ugly". Quasimodo was supposed to look ugly but not villainous; it's not too surprising that Ruber looks like Quasi on meth and steroids.
I realized around four years ago that, if you look at it...this whole film is basically How To Train Your Dragon 2 if it sucked. - Kayley loses her father but keeps her mother. - She comes from a mythical land inspired by Northern European legends. - She gets the help of a dragon and a love interest to fight against a muscular, beefy madman of a warlord and his animal sidekick. - She gets a position in her land's government thanks to her quest.
I know it's a strange thing to notice and take sight umbrage with but Devon and Cornwall? Seriously? Was their mother called Tintagel, just for extra Arthur flavour?
As someone who's really passionate about seeing amazing animation and musicals, this was an interesting experience for me as a kid. Even as a child, I noticed a lot of inconsistencies. Some things were animated beautifully while others looked rushed. Some songs had a properly thought-out storyboard while others didn't. It's a shame when a potentially good movie has to suffer because of trouble behind the scenes (i.e. The Black Cauldron).
This movie is a huge childhood favourite of mine (and how ironic that this video came out on my birthday haha). It's interesting to visit it again now that I'm older, seeing different opinions aside from my biased glorified nostalgia as well as seeing the flawed production history as well. Thank you for this video!
This is one of those movies that I love despite it's flaws. As a kid it was a favorite of mine and I still watch it every few years. While the movie is definitely not great, it was my first exposure to a disabled character where the movie went out of it's way to show them as capable. Media that I remember as a kid often said "It's wrong to pity people with disabilities, but you should try to help them in any way you can."and this was the first one that said "there's no need to pity them, they're different, not broken". That had a major affect on me and I think it would be wrong of me to not acknowledge that. Years later when I was diagnosed with a disability it genuinely helped to recall the few pieces of media that shared that viewpoint and I attribute this movie heavily to my positive viewpoint on it. Maybe that's just because I saw it during my formative years, but I still can't help being fond of the film because of it. I guess I'm a little sad that the movie didn't earn a saving grace because of it.
For anyone who cares, a group of dragons is called a thunder.
Hah, though the same, I also read the Inheritance Cycle xD Although I think in this movie, a herd of dragons is a murder... of comedy.
I was gonna comment myself but I figured someone would have done it
Oh that's awesome. I thought it was a colony. I like Thunder a lot better
I'll have to remember this. It's perfect
I do Care, thank you
*Arthur:* On second thought, let's not go to Camelot; tis a silly place.
*coconut noises*
joyunicycle
IT IS a silly place. Where is "tis" coming from?
@@equusquaggaquagga536 "Tis" is old English for "it is", plus I'm pretty sure that's what they said.
joyunicycle
1. "Tis" isn't old English. It's nonsense.
2. Graham Chapman said "it is". A popular misquote like "Luke I am your father" or "hello Clarice".
@@equusquaggaquagga536 I can tell you with certainty that tis is an actual word and a contraction for it is (I looked it up). If you don't believe me that's fine, we agree to disagree.
Biggest problem here is just wasted potential. There are seeds of a good story here, even a great one with the right writing team, but everyone was so focused on making a Disney clone that it couldn't stand on its own. It's really a shame...
Pun intended, or no? X'D
The 'post-Aladdin Comic Relief' trend that ruined this movie (and Hunchback, and others) really cements for me that movie studios really are just a cargo cult. They don't actually understand what it is that makes audiences like things, so they blindly ape formulas with no understanding of context, and more often than not shit out literal garbage with no idea it's terrible until it hits theaters.
@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 it didn't ruined the Hunchback of Notre dame because it already had a really powerful story. And these characters only appear for a few scenes and not a central focus of the feature. And, I have to admit they can be entertaining. They don't even have a central focus in a scene, they are not loud, take all the focus, or doing unnecessary pop jokes, they didn't ruin a movie that took all the steps beforehand. It had a dark and powerful story, memorable and complex characters, unforgettable songs and more. How are freaking three characters that barely appear in the whole movie, barely doing something stupid, barely interrupt the story and are pretty funny ruined such a fantastic movie?!
What if this movie's ideas was done properly by Studio Gibli? I saw acommentor somewhere else bring up that idea.
And the animation is decent too! Absolute waste.
...I might have figured out a way for Kayley to be a more compelling character. What if she was resentful of her father and his position as a knight? From her point of view, Sir Lionel isn't doing anything particularly exciting like slaying invaders or dragons--he's just doing the "boring" job of riding around helping people, leading Kayley to believe she could do his job better and be a properly swashbuckling knight. Meanwhile in Camelot, Nimue--who's the villain of this version of the story--is having the same problems in her relationship with her mentor, Merlin. She doesn't particularly care about his position as advisor to the King; she just wants his amazing powers, thinking she could use them to greater effect. This would set Kayley and Nimue up as parallels to each other and make the point about how truly great individuals care less about *having* great power and more about how they use that power to help others. Call it the medieval Spiderman treatment, in a way. :P
Also, having Nimue there to do the whole "sealing Merlin away in a tree forever" thing would create a conflict that makes more sense--after all, without the man he's trusted since childhood, King Arthur isn't entirely sure what to do anymore, and Camelot grows weaker as a result, prompting action from our heroes.
I LIKE it!
Bonus: Nimue resents how Sir Lionel trains Gareth almost like they're father and son, yet Merlin seemingly ignores her desire to have greater control over her magic, treating her more as a servant than an apprentice. At the end Merlin fills us in that he was training Nimue to learn self-control and patience and when it's appropriate to use magic, but she failed his lessons.
@@thirteenfury God, and that would make Gareth's relationship with Merlin not only a lot more specific (as oppposed to the vague hinting they did in the original), but really heartbreaking and a further counterpoint to Kayley and Nimue. They both resented their respective mentors... Gareth loved both of his. And the two of them being gone means that there's no one left who doesn't believe he's worthless because of his blindness, hence his self-imposed exile.
We are just gonna write a better movie right here in this comments section... XD
thirteenfury And perhaps this lack of self control and patience leads to her eventual demise.
if we're writing a better movie in the comments, then I feel like we should also fix the romance between Kayley and Gareth, and for this, I think the framework that's set up will work beautifully.
basically, Gareth thinks that his training was cut short, and now that no one believes in him anymore, he'll never be able to complete it or take up his desired position as a knight. but really, he has all of the core qualities that one would expect to see from a knight. he's already naturally inclined to be empathetic to people in need, especially because his own life circumstances have been so hard on him... and his time in the forest has forced him to use the combat skills he learned in practical ways every day, and even develop some of his own based on how he functions without his eyesight. he's a bit unconventional when compared to a classically trained knight, but he does what's most important for a knight to do morally.
and this is what he would teach Kayley. I'd love to see her being actually fairly competent in a fight, or with a sword, because her ambition to become a knight causes her to actually practice a lot... but maybe she's a bit self centered, and finds herself in situations where she can protect and defend herself just fine, but fails to really help anyone else with her actions in the moment. she has all these grand ideas about what it would take to win a glorious victory, but she gets so fixated on checking all the boxes for a good adventure, that she forgets to act like a good person. which isn't to say that she'd actively be a bad person... but she's really much more used to looking out for herself first. and you could give her a backstory full of people doubting her, which made her super extra extremely eager to prove them all wrong... but also gave her a very adversarial relationship toward other people in general.
but Gareth and Kayley could definitely connect in terms of people doubting their capabilities, and Gareth being the empathetic person that he is in this version of things, would probably recognize some of Kayley's bitterness at being treated like she was never going to amount to anything. he'd probably have to soften her up a bit by actually recognizing her legitimate talents before she'd really start to listen to him, and he'd probably be totally frustrated with her at first, but his frustration might just be that he sees an unflattering reflection of feelings that he's felt before when he looks at Kayley.
it makes Kayley into a competent yet flawed character, and it makes their eventual feelings for each other make a lot more sense. and it also connects them via their mutual aspiration to measure up to Sir Lionel. Kayley wants to prove herself to be just as good as her father, and Gareth wants to do right by his mentor... they're both chasing the same inspirational figure, but with entirely different emotions as the driving force behind their tenacity. and the formation of their bond would also be entirely wrapped up in the plot, because a lot of these feelings would come up as the result of battling against the main villain.
What kills me is that Gary Oldman can actually sing. He's just never in a movie that properly utilizes it... Smash cut to this and Sid and Nancy....
A bit like Val Kilmer in the same year's Prince of Egypt (a far better movie)
@Rebecca Woolf Yes, sorry that's actually what I meant. They got someone else to do the singing parts even though he actually can sing. Should have been clearer, sorry.
@@IgorsDen yeah I've always thought that Prince of Egypt is a really good movie and is probably one of my top 5 DreamWorks films.
At least he made up for this film by giving a great performance as the voice of Lord Shen in Kung Fu Panda 2.
@@MovieFan1912does Gary regret doing this film?
Plus it doesn’t help that the lead looks like Belle from beauty and the beast.
It also doesn’t help that Garret looks like the beast in his human form
She really doesn't...and to be fair, Disney did make the villain in Mulan look like an Asian emo version of the villain of this movie...so I guess they're even.
i've heard that before
And her mother even more so
PhoenixRising87 This is utter bull crap! XD The designs for Mulan had been finalized long before this sorry Camelot failure was even in production. Do you have any idea how quickly development art and model sheets leak around the studios, once it’s made available to the crew? People lunch, after all, and the studios were not far from each other at the time. There might be a slight resemblance (and that’s really a stretch), but if anything, WB had their hands on the Disney model sheets long before the designs for this turd were done, and likely ripped the Disney project off. Disney Feature Animation even had an in-studio screening of Camelot to laugh at and show exactly how NOT to make an animated feature! It was hilarious!
Is this the same forbidden forest where Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way and Draco had it their way until Dumblydore interrupted them?
Only true goffs would get this reference, no fckn prepz allowed!!1!!eleven!
Don’t you mean Enoby
@@EmmaForman28 ebony's name is ENOBY nut mary su OK!
Damn that reference popped out of nowhere but Im not complaining.
Where he put his thingy in her you know what and they did it for the first time?
The sad thing is though, I really like the idea of a mother character having a song praying for her daughter's safety; it gives the mother so much more agency in that moment than the daughter simply running away; you're unsure if they're ever going to be able to see each other again.
But I swear, I hated those fricking dragons even when I was five. >_>
I freaking loved them, I was like, damn this needs some light hearted comedy and boom conjoined dragons 😂🤣
There timon and pumbaa done wrong
Side note, the movie apparently doesn't know the difference between trolls and ogres, which is strange, because I don't think they have anything in common.
The song is very lovely and I think it could have been a saving grace *if* it had a completely different scene animated for it.
This movie is a childhood favorite of mine and I'm happy to see somebody review it with a much more calm and patient demeanor than the Nostalgia Critic did.
The Nostalgia Critic's revews have always been intended as more funny than analytical. Even if he sometimes touched upon good talking points, in the end they were mostly accidental.
Diva touches on the problems with this movie far better, though at the same time, there's a lot of good to be found here if you're willing to forgive the film's studio-mandated flaws.
That's because the Nostalgia Critic review of the movie was too damn cynical and old. These days, the Nostalgia Critic is less-cynical.
@@ingonyama70 It's a pity that this movie isn't getting a remake just to compete with Disney.
Explain movie! EXPLAIN!
@@xgray2012 He's less cynical, but nobody watches him anymore.
Not ONE Monty Python reference?
I...I am in awe of your restraint, madame.
And now for something completely different.
That calls for some kind of award, then :).
HELP HELP, IM BEING OPPRESSED!
@@crazystairs7124
NOW WE SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!
That's where the comments section comes
Gotta love how evil the villain looks even when he's still one of the good guys.
Tell me...what do "evil" people look like?
PhoenixRising87 um....
@@PhoenixRising87 In lazily written movies with lazily designed characters? Literally that guy. With all the sorts of traits the video specifically names when introducing the villain as a topic.
Dunes8 I never understood why animators rely on that trope so badly. You can make a villainous character without making look OBVIOUSLY evil (look at Gaston, Mother Gothel, and even Frollo). If you have to draw them evil-liking from the bat, at least explain why that is. A nice backstory for the guy would’ve made sense, heck even his song would’ve been a nice way to explain how he became the way he did.
they could have made him look normal at first, and get progressively uglier and twitchier as he descends into madness and meddles with dark magic, that would have been way more interesting
12:44 - These characters and their song are a perfect example of the post-Aladdin comic relief you mentioned. They try to rip off the reference-heavy humour of _Friend Like Me_ without actually understanding why it, and the Genie as a whole, worked so well.
Genie's anachronistic pop culture references were a result of Robin William's one-of-a-kind ad-libbing that the animators worked around. Many of the gags are quick-fire and you'll usually miss three in the time it takes you to notice one. The character himself is also so lovable and his movements are so well animated and executed that the jokes are still funny even if you don't get what they're referencing.
In Quest For Camelot the references are pushed to the forefront and dragged out, as if they're begging the audience to notice and laugh rather than trusting them to do it on their own.
Additionally, the Genie is firmly established as a supremely magical being with phenomenal cosmic powers, and it's fair to assume that his anachronisms come from an ability to see the future or travel through time (an episode of the Aladdin TV show later confirmed the latter). And the other characters are clearly just as awestruck and/or confused as the audience would be, so once again, the jokes are funny even if you don't get the references.
Devon and Cornwall are talking dragons, but that's the only supernatural thing the film actually establishes about them, so it makes no sense for them to reference modern day things that don't exist yet in the medievel. And none of the other characters actually react to these anachronisms or most of their jokes for that matter, so it seems even more jarring.
Well put. Especially your last point. Once the song ends, KAYLEY claps and then acts like the song didn't happen.
Yes SuperFan MusicMaker! FUCK YES!
Which episode confirmed that Genie can time travel?
@@jacksonlennox5947 I don't remember the exact one, but one episode has a throwaway joke where he's shown fighting in an actual historical war (the Napoleonic war, if memory serves)
@@superfanmusicmaker I don't know if it's the same episode, but I did see one recently where they had to conveniently say that Genie was out of town "hanging out with some friends," and he was folding a newspaper hat with Napoleon. That episode is called "Vocal Hero" in case anyone wants to check that out.
“The ogre’s butt”
- Gary Oldman -
I think he regrets taking the role
I'm sure that line humiliates him still to this day!!
that's not a sentence. that's a noun! that's not even a good noun!
Classy.
# Poor Gary Oldman
I named my daughter Kaylee a month after my brother named his son Garrett and I found out about this movie's existence a full year later. It felt weird.
Come to think of it, I knew a Kayley and a Garrett once.
You forgot the worst sin this movie committed: Prematurely murdering _The Iron Giant._
No joke. When this film fell flat at the box office, it convinced Warner Bros. that it wouldn’t be worth their time to market _The Iron Giant._ Of course, close to no one knew about it, and it resulted in the film failing, feeding into Warner Bros. preconceptions regarding animated films.
The film they murdered still became a success when it premiered on Cartoon Network for 24 hours.
It seems funny that The Iron Giant became successful when Cartoon Network pulled a TBS Christmas Story, and played it for 24 hours.
And yet, one of these movies appeared in a Spielberg film and a fighting game 2 decades after it flopped.
Given what happen with HBO MAX purge it is still going now.😢
@@SuperEasywalker that feels less like Warner Bros. micromanagement and more like Discovery’s management being total imbeciles.
I never knew there was so much meddling with this movie. I guess that explains why it was so bad. And while you mentioned the disconnect between the action scene and "The Prayer", I'm surprised you didn't count that as a sin. The difference is so bizarre. Even if you DID mute the background noises, I really don't think that song can be set to a scene filled with action, a chase, and a desperate escape from monsters. It would've been better suited to a post-chase scene, focusing on the mother and Kayley resting in the woods.
I think it could have worked if we had seen Kayley from her mother's perspective, looking out at her over a distance as she sang. We could still see Kayley being chased, but would feel more for the mother.
Yeah. A better chase sound would be Prince Caspian’s escape from well…Prince Caspian
Ah yes the movie I admit to having a very guilty pleasure relationship with. I will enjoy seeing you rip into it
Same. I hate so many parts of it but I also have seen it at least 20 times 😂
I have more likes than dislikes for it personally. Sure, the lead is nothing new and i did wish this was something different, but i just like the songs, characters and mythical feel of it all.
Same tbh
Hey, I like it, too, mainly for Eric Idle and Don Rickles, but David "HitMan" Foster did write some good songs, with "The Prayer" actually being a breakout hit. I think "Through Your Eyes" may have been as well. I remember hearing it on the radio more than once.
Hugh Mann I liked it, too. And, personally, I think people should cut Kayley some slack. I mean, sure, she wants to be the world's greatest knight, but, she isn't stupid! I mean, if you were unarmed and faced up against evil mutants that had weapons for hands, and you were terribly outnumbered, would you try to stand and fight or would you run for your life? Of course, one could argue that it didn't stop Garret from fighting them, but, Garret was trained to fight. Kayley was not.
You know what could have been done to save this protagonist?
If she believed that in order to be a good knight she needed to fiercely protect everyone around her, like her father who died to save King Arthur. This would give her something to motivate her to be a good knight and gradually learn that she doesn't need to overexert herself or that everyone needs protecting. That would give her actual chemistry with Garret instead of pointless banter. In traveling through unfamiliar places she could learn she actually needs to listen to someone other than herself in order to help them, like a knight. Making her flawed would give her a legitimate ark, which would be much better than she was in the actual movie.
I would make Kaylee someone who is a person who likes to think outside of the box and this comes into play with one of the biggest changes I’d make to the movie which is to make Cornwall and Devon two separate dragons with contrasting personalities voiced by John Cleese and Dom Deluise respectfully. They are still outcasts in dragon society but this time it’s because they refuse to fight any knights which is a huge milestone into gaining acceptance in their culture. Cornwall is a pacifist intellectual dragon who believes that fighting knights is beneath him. Devon is your typical Dom Deluise coward who has a heart of gold and wants to help but needs encouragement from the protagonist to help him overcome his fears. Think Tiger from American Tail but as a dragon. Devon is terrified of fighting a knight and every time the word “knight” (and night) is said, he starts freaking out. Kaylee then comes up with the brilliant idea that if Cornwall and Devon help her retrieve Excalibur, they’d be helping save the day and in the process fight some knights which would help them be accepted by the other dragons as the rule is that a dragon has to fight a knight in order to be a part of dragon society but it never says that it has to be one of King Arthur’s knights. An evil knight would count because he’s still a knight no matter who he is working for.
This is what the internet thinks the Disney classics were like.
The internet is wrong
This is a bit like what you'd get if you bleached the Disney classics of everything that made a given movie unique and tried to fund the average of the rest. And then added annoying comic relief, because only post-Aladdin Disney films had that kind of it.
If anything, I think this is what modern Disney probably think their Disney classics are like, resulting in their mediocre to lousy live action remakes.
@@oscarstainton That's pretty obviously false. Modern Disney has consistently framed its remakes as fixing mistakes made in the original. (Whether the mistakes were there, the repairs successful, or the original plot framework suitable to be repaired rather than replaced... let's call those inconstant factors.)
The same basic contempt from the studio towards their own animation legacy is apparent. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King didn't need "fixing" yet here we are with three vastly inferior "live action" movies. And when talking about the problematic elements of older or more recent films (alleged or otherwise) that should still be open to conversation rather than trying to pave them over.
It's more like what people who've never seen a Disney classic think Disney classics were like.
When I was a kid I met an animator for this film! He also drew Scar from the Lion King, and he gave me a sketch of Scar I still have on my wall.
That's actually pretty cool
The sad thing is that the animation isn't too bad for the 90's. Imagine what this movie could have been like if it had more competent, less cliched writing!
Between this and Lost in Space, 1998 was not a very good year for Gary Oldman.
SPAI-DERRRZ!
Spiders🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷🕷
At least DreamWorks gave him an amazing role in 2011.
But hey, he went on to be Commissioner Gordon and Serius Black, so at least he's doing way better.
The lost in space tv show was cheesy but still dope.
Oh my god it’s happening! Everybody stay calm, it’s happening!
Whats the procedure everyone? Whats the procedure?
WHAT IS CALM?? THIS WAS ONE OF MY FAVE MOVIES AS A KID TF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO
@@jamesoniris2647 *STAY [Beep] CALM!*
"What? No."
Lady Lexicon let's do this people. Just stay calm
Garrett was a good boi, cool character & deserved a better movie dammit
Agreed. Why couldn't HE be this movie's protagonist?
Right??
Yeah, I like that Garrett has the unique trait of being a brave, kind, capable warrior despite his blindness.
“Ruber is condemned to an extended meditation retreat” now THAT is a film I would pay good money to see 👏👏👏
In fact, a film entirely focused on various failed villains going through some sort of rehabilitation process against their will and trying (and failing) to band together and escape would be utterly hilarious 😂
I do love the music in this movie on its own (yes, even "If I didn't have you") and I do admire the fact that th th chose to go with a disabled protagonist who isn't "fixed" at the end of the movie.
That said, there are a lot of things that could have been done to improve this film. The biggest one being "Fleshing out the relationship between Kayley and Julianna". Like, what if Julianna talked with her daughter at some point and said something like "I don't want you to become a knight because I don't want to lose you like I lost your father. Please stay at home and do things like gathering taxes, distributing land properly, and finding a consort with whom you can make some heirs". Also, having to deal with an arranged marriage (even if this society is less sexist than actual Medieval England) would give Kayley a sympathetic reason for wishing to be a knight, rather than just "I'm entitled to knighthood because my dad was a knight before me and I don't have any siblings".
Rebecca Woolf Yeah, pretty much.
That doesn't really flesh out kaley.
It's sad, because the story has such potential. I think in the right hands, it would've been great. The disconnect between the songs and the characters and tone is jarring and there's so many pointless cliches. Some of the songs are nice, but again, they don't match the tone or anything else.
You wouldn't even need to change the plot that much. Make Kaylee half the active heroine the movie thinks she is, even out the tone, and have Ruber's henchmen either not be comic relief or not the only way he gets stuff done 90% of the time, and the movie would at least rise a bit above the Disney Clone label. Define the main characters and cut the annoying ones on top of that, and you've got the potential to make a classic that clones the *good* parts of Disney along with the easy stuff.
@@timothymcleanMy biggest change is have the dragons be two entirely different and separate characters who are outcasts from dragon society. Cornwell is voiced by Tim Curry and thinks of himself as a dragon with finer tastes and Devon is your typical Don Deluise animated coward (think Tiger from An American Tail or Itchy from All Dogs Go to Heaven) who has anxiety attacks when he sees something he is afraid of. The reason why they are outcasts is because in the dragon’s society, every dragon must fight a knight and survive once they reach a certain age in order to be accepted by the rest of their kind. Cornwall refuses to fight a knight because he thinks it’s too crass and way beneath a dragon like himself and Devon won’t do it because one of his many phobias is men clad in armor while riding a horse and carrying a lance. Kaylee begs the dragons to help her get Excalibur back but Cornwall politely declines the plea and says that they’d would really like to help but they can’t because they don’t see what the point of getting involved would be. Kaylee then comes up with the brilliant argument that they would fight some knights in the process and finally be accepted into the dragons’ society because the rule states that they must fight a knight and it is never stated that the knight has to be good or evil. The Dragons see the logic behind Kaylee’s argument and they then agree to help. As for the axe-chicken thing, he is continuously abused by Ruber for a majority of the movie and he gets fed up with the treatment that he just abandons his master and joins the heroes near the end of the second act and he is their guide to Ruber’s castle. This way he has more importance to the plot and an actual reason why he joins the good guys.
Definitely a guilty pleasure of mine. I thought it was pretty good, didn't see a whole lot wrong with it.
I LOVED this movie then, and I still do now!
geardog24 I don’t understand this comment
If anything about this movie is good is the soundtrack. I still listen it from time to time.
If there is one good thing this movie did right, its the animation. The effects are stunning, the movements are very smooth, the characters have a lot of details and have a creative supply of character design.
This is honestly a nostalgic guilty pleasure movie for me. Even for all its flaws I can’t hate it.
Also, voice mismatch aside, I Stand Alone is an awesome song. I’m kinda surprised it wasn’t a Saving Grace.
Me too!
I mean the song only has over a MILLION hits on TH-cam. That’s really impressive for an otherwise forgotten movie.
All of the songs, for the most part, were pretty great. And (forgive the pun, it's not intentional) as stand alone songs, without the context of the movie as a whole, they're actually really beautiful and would probably do well if this had been literally any other musical movie. A movie that actually knew how to put these songs to good use. But, because of the storyline, and the way the songs are presented, the beauty is muddled.
For instance, the Celine Dion song. I watched this movie when I was very young, and back then, her song bored me and felt out of place. Years later, when I was much older, it still bored me and felt out of place. Shortly after, I began playing a scuba diving game on the Wii, and the majority of the soundtrack was Celtic Woman music, and wouldn't you know it? They did a cover for Celine's song. And I LOVED it. It was gorgeous and I had so much fun calmly swimming through the water, listening to this song while I collected lost treasures and discovered new fish. I had no recollection of it being in this movie, at all. When I later re-watched the movie, it was jarring, because sure as sh*t, that's the song I love. I closed my eyes, and for the first time while watching this movie, I enjoyed listening to the mother sing her piece.
It's a crying shame that the story falls flat, because with a good story to string them together, these songs would have been really, REALLY nice to watch and listen to. On My Father's Wings and Stand Alone are wonderful songs as well, if only they weren't attached to such annoyingly stereotypical characters.
While I agree somewhat (as an aspie, I related to that song a lot, so I definitely agree that it's awesome; in fact, Garrett is awesome. Someone should remake this movie with _him_ as the protagonist!), I feel like the voice mismatch was too much for Diva to consider it a saving grace. Which, honestly, fair enough.
@@silversamurai0267 Really, the only one that's actually bad is Ruber's Song, which was _probably_ supposed to remind us that he's a bit too insane to actually form a coherent song, but looking back, that's really NOT an excuse because I've seen better songs that play that kinda thing.
Even "If I Didn't Have You" isn't that bad when you remove it from the movie's context--it was long and I believe still is a staple of silly AMVs.
Something I randomly remembered while watching this video and getting to the love song part is when some people say "men and women can't just be friends" and I think that belief stems from movies because the male and female protagonists almost always fall in love and it's stupid.
I wouldn't say it's all because of movies, so much as that it's influenced by how nearly all stories across basically all media accidentally reinforce this idea of "boy meets girl, plot happens, boy wins girl," which often gets stuck in children's understanding of the world before they're mature enough to make any meaningful friendships.
The ubiquity of the romantic subplot and how it influences worldviews is a root for all sorts of twisted ideas about romance, like "nice guys are entitled to girls," "you need a relationship to be happy/normal," and "you need to keep writing romance subplots whenever two opposite-gender characters are in a plot that doesn't openly prevent romance...and maybe if it does".
Yeah, I’m sick of the whole “he’s a boy and she’s a girl so they should kiss” thing. Half the time, it’s just assumed that because a male and female character of roughly similar ages are in the same story, that’s enough for the audience to buy that they’re in love, so the romance isn’t really developed, so it feels forced when they suddenly start acting like a couple. Don’t get me wrong, I love a good romance-emphasis on GOOD. If you’re going to have a romance, it needs to be well-developed and serve the plot, not just be two characters suddenly kissing at the expense of the plot, especially when said characters have shown no hint of romantic chemistry until their sudden kiss.
🎶”I stand alone!”🎶
“I’m coming too.”
“Uh ok.”
I admit i have a soft spot for this movie despite it's poorly execution. But i REALLY wish we could've seen the original idea.
From what I've read about the book, most of what I found memorable was a Warner Brothers addition. My intuition is that the original version (probably just a script or something) looked likely to turn into a fantasy movie without the mass-market appeal to draw a crowd through basic marketing or the quality and/or novelty to bring in viewers by word of mouth. That's what happened with Fan4stic, and probably a lot of other movies affected by studio meddling; what they had at the time didn't look like it could succeed on either its broad appeal or its genuine quality, so they hacked in one of the two and hoped for the least bad.
7:52 Hey, come on Diva. He’s weak pointless comic relief that can talk... with the voice of Urkel from family matters. So, ya know... that’s something.
*weak
Ben Burke which is what drags the character down. I, for one, have never liked Urkel's shrill, nasally voice. It's like nails on a chalkboard.
Did he do that?
The guy also voiced Sonic in Sonic Underground.
I have to admit, that's one cool-looking griffon.
One of my favorite parts of the film, its so cool, intimadating, and fluffy.
And he speaks like someone kicked him in the nads.
@@reasyrandom Yeah, it's pretty hard to be menacing when you sound like Balki. Unless you keep your mouth shut, of course.
What is with badguys always having weirdly chipped/cut fingernails
Because he’s too evil to cut his nails properly
@brandon roberts ironicaly, Dumbledore had some pretty long and smudgy nails because, old wizard and such.
Maybe he's one of those guys who thinks it's unmanly to get a manicure once in a while. In that case, he is evil (or at least fragile).
Evil people are banned from buying nail clippers.
Maybe he believes in the saying "I have more power in my fingernails..."
Well, that was a really nice review. You had a lot of positive opinions and this was a nice time. I guess Lucifer is finally easing up-
"Next Case: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Coming Out of Their Shells"
Oh, f**k.
@brandon roberts Hey, we all have that weird shit we've watched.
At least it wasn’t Spongeknob Squarenuts
Diva was in kindergarten when it came out. I was 7 and I HATED it.
@@skyblueblazes9332 that reminds me, she could review that Spongebob Atlantis episode (Atlantis Squarepantis), you know, where everyone sang AWFUL songs *except* the one character voiced by David fucking Bowie. (eyup, they got David Bowie to voice a character in a musical and he didn't have any song whatsoever)
@brandon roberts You mean Ten-inch Mutant Ninja Turtles?
"If I didn't have you" is a song that gets legitimately gets stuck in my head for just catchy it is.
I pity you.
You aren’t wrong. (Edit: not all of it.)
Honestly they didn't even "needed" the comedy relief dragons with how comical the villains ended up been. I laughed at Rupert and the grifind more than anyone else in the movie.
I have an idea of how they could have incorporated the dragons and make them better in the process. First off they are two separate characters from the start and are voiced by John Cleese and Dom Deluise. They are outcasts from the other dragons because they refuse to fight knights which is a rite of passage for their culture. Cornwall is a sophisticated intellectual dragon who thinks violence is beneath him and Devon is your typical Dom Deluise coward. Kaylee then comes up with the perfect way for them to be accepted by the other dragons which is they help her fight Ruber’s evil knights and it would count as fighting a knight as the rule never says that the knight had to be one of King Arthur’s.
Thankfully, WB's feature animation is given its own identity with The Iron Giant and The Lego Movie.
Jan Mikhail Gaid Yet “The Iron Giant” bombed at the box office due to “Quest for Camelot”. Yes really!
WB attributed the box office failure of “Quest for Camelot” to people disliking the film because it wasn’t made by Disney. 🙄
Therefore, they decided to throw in the towel and not market “The Iron Giant” out of fear it would bomb at the box office, which it did anyway. 😂
I loathe the theory of *“people hate animated films because they’re not made by Disney”* because it negates the existence of great non-Disney animated films like “The Secret of NIMH”, “An American Tail”, “The Land Before Time”, “The Prince of Egypt”, “South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut”, “The Simpsons Movie”, and any of the “Hayao Miyazaki” films like “Spirited Away”.
@@beethovensfidelio Don't forget about AKIRA, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse!
Ben Bell Those are good ones too!
Jan Mikhail Gaid and the LEGO Batman movie and the LEGO ninjago movie.
Jackie Gonzalez Also great ones!
Wait, 'The Prayer' was written for a film? And this film at that? At least something came from it.
I understand they changed the heroine's name from Lynette (an actual name from Arthurian legend and from the source novel on which this is very, VERY loosely based) to Kayley after one of the animators' daughters. Because really, "Kayley" sounds like a name from medieval England and not at all like a late twentieth-century girls' name, doesn't it?
Maybe if they'd used the original Gaelic spelling, "Cèilidh"...
...or more like a Marillon reference
I was literally just talking to someone about this, like yeah, not an anachronistic name in the leeeeast. Definitely doesn’t lock the time period the movie could have likely been made into, roughly, the years 1996-2003, does it, “Kayley”? Maybe her sisters are named macKenzie, Tori, and Madison? Maybe she has a brother named Jayden or Chad.
@@elizabethashley42 I would have given this movie a lot more respect if that had been the spelling!
My nostalgia still loves it but. I honestly live to see people rip into movies I enjoy
17:30- The funny thing is there is an explanation for this. He smiled at his wife for less than a second. I’m not even joking. That’s why we’re supposed to buy this change in character. I only noticed that because I happened to look at the right side of the screen when it happened. That’s just lazy.
Yeah, can confirm: His heel-face-turn is spurred by seeing his mate in a cage, at which point he presumably realized that Rupert had to be stopped.
Would've been nice if the camera at least focused on that for a moment or two, instead of just letting it happen in the background before he speaks up.
Say what you about Mr Enter and his takes, but he brought up a good point about Bladebeak. The real question about his change of heart should be "Why was he working with Ruber in the first place?"
I made my friends laugh by making fun of the differences in Garret’s speaking and singing voice.
*British accent* I wook alone. *Sudden American country singer.* Like everuh’ tree!
Separate singing voices in animated films have been a trend since Aladdin in 1992 with Brad Kane and Lea Salonga (who made Jasmime the first Disney princess to have a separate singing voice).
Jan Mikhail Gaid I know but they usually at least try to make it match. This is like getting Toby Keith to dub Patrick Stewart’s singing voice
Fun Fact: this movie had an official website made after it that very year (1998). I don’t know if it’s still around, but I distinctly remember seeing it for myself, as late as 2010!
Have you tried the Internet Archive Wayback Machine?
Ah yes, Quest for Camelot. The craptastic animated film that even Lauren Faust regrets...
Yeah, because it was going to be a straight-up PG-13 until executive meddling kicked in, which really upset her.
Ditto on my part
Yeah, this isn't exactly a great project to appear on Faust's resumé...
On the flipside, Faust also worked on The Iron Giant.
ReasyRandom Amd Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.
I saw multiple comments from animators and artists who worked on the film and they have nothing good to say about the project.
Ah good, we can discuss this pantload of an animated feature without a Walker Brother in sight!
I mean, they have the same opion on it.
I admit to liking this movie as a kid... But looking back, I can see the flaws. I still like the concept of human/weapon hybrids though, but I'm weird like that.
You're not alone in this. I still think the character designs are awesome.
I've never seen this movie but I have to agree with you on the human/weapons hybrid thing. Just needs a better movie to go around it.
Same. It's one of the few things that I still thought was good about the movie after I grew up.
Dnd is full of that kind of creature they are always fun to run for a dm
This seems mostly like an issue of "Great Concept, Terrible Execution"
*Sign* I knew i had to relive this movie someday since Nostalgic critic already reviewed this one!
Concept: A comic relief character who makes pop culture references. However, it’s explicitly said that no one else knows what the fuck he’s talking about and just see him as a raving lunatic.
That would actually be hilarious.
Uh, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place.
Another fantastic episode, Diva. Rarely do I click on a video that quickly.
That quip about the Sonny and Cher episode of Scooby Doo is the most accurate thing I've ever heard.
The sad part is that most of the non-comedic music itself isn't terrible, just terribly implemented.
Setting aside Bryan "Someone Else's Star" White, one of my favorite singers (Andrea Corr, lead singer of The Corrs) is Kayley's singing voice, and another of my favorites (Leann Rimes) does the 'breakaway pop hit' version of "Looking Through Your Eyes". It is the weakest single of her career by far, it's true, but adolescent me really didn't care.
Also, the opening number, "United We Stand", may have lyrics cornier than Kansas in August (thanks to Kyle Kallgren for the immensely swipable quote), but the Celtic craze of the late 90s really did wonders for the instrumentation. The drums and strings alone are well worth a listen. Also I have no idea what that male chorus is chanting in the background before the lyrics properly start up, but it SOUNDS incredible.
Yes, the actual lyrics are incredibly weak (and really show this film's American roots, probably more so than The Sword in the Stone, the other famous American animated feature set around Arthurian mythos), but if you can find an instrumental track, I HIGHLY encourage you hear it for yourself.
The seams in this movie show in a way that's painful to watch, because you can easily spot the places where this could and SHOULD have been a great epic fantasy musical on par with Disney's contemporary offerings. They had the talent and the creativity (there are still some astonishing visuals and 2D animation to be found even here), but executive meddling left its mark, and took what was great down to barely watchable, and then only with the sound off during the non-musical numbers (and the Villain song, and the comedy relief song...)
The Prayer is also very beautiful and it’s a shame how it was used in the movie. The idea of Kaylee’s mother praying for her daughter’s safety in the form of a song is a great idea and Celine did a great job performing it as always even without any of the long high notes she’s famous for.
Garrett was my first childhood crush. I watched this movie so many times because of him, everything was forgiven so long as Garrett was on screen
This is a major guilty pleasure of mine despite its flaws. I actually really like the songs. Hehe
@@hunnykun101 Me too! They always are so sweet and even pretty looking. I can't help falling head over heels for them.
@Anything. Lucy Hello! Glad to see a fellow Garnet enthusiast!
3:33
Huh. I guess Lancelot is out to lunch. Heck, even Bedivere would probably knock this guy over. Mordred would obliterate him.
... Yes, I do play Fate: Grand Order.
... Why isn’t Mordred the villain again?
I know right? Gareth and Tristan would have tko'd Ruber's butt in 5 seconds flat too.You'd think Lancelot would be more involved, what with his brother Sir Lionel being killed tragically defending the king.
Sir Galehaut. Enough said.
The original novel didn't focus on any of the three or four standard Arthurian plot points, so Ruber is probably the end result of adapting the book's villain, then adapting that, then tweaking whatever came out, etc.
@@metademetra The way I see it, any Arthurian story which brings up Galehaut the Uncrowned King is worth checking out. Not that I've found any...
...So... Kaley's relationship to the plot is basically the same as Inspector Gadget's is in episodes of that series? A proactive but incompetent protagonist who only survives via luck and the intervention of those around them? But played straight and without any sense of awareness of that being what the protagonist is rather than for laughs?
Pretty much. (For the record, Inspector Gadget always irritated me for the same reasons. Penny deserved better!)
@@MusicalHell True. Though honestly I think the live action IG film did it worse. At least Cartoon Gadget was likeable. Mathew Broderick's Gadget is a soft spoken self esteem deprived pussy.
I actually love "On My Father's Wings" as one of the more memorable songs of this movie growing up as a kid, even more than "The Prayer", which apparently went on to be famous out of the context of this movie? (Going by Nostalgia Critic's reaction, at least). Agreement on how they should have handled that one... muting would have definitely helped.
But also... why do reviewers (because Diva is far from the first) keep thinking that Garret's blindness should have been cured by the sword being returned to the stone? He lost his eyesight of a natural tragedy (iirc, a random fire in the barn) many years ago. Why would undoing a lot of dark magic caused by the villain's interference in this movie undo that too? I can't see where it would even be implied possible, tbh.
Hex Maniac Quinn maybe people wonder that because of the fact that when everything is being reversed Devon and Cornwall are separated till they decide to remain conjoined... but they were hatched like that so if they could have had separate bodies due to excalibur being returned to the stone it’s an argument for Garrett regaining sight. Just a theory for the reason why some think he should have been able to see again at the end.
Hex Maniac Quinn Garret might as well not be blind, because there's parts where he notices things that he shouldn't notice if he's blind. For example, he was the one to notice when Devon and Cornwall were flying. I'm like "How the Frank Frinklefelcker do you know they're flying if you're blind?"
@@mandieboudreaux8369 yeah, that's valid, but it's still nothing that would have been otherwise confirmed or alluded to, so I get slightly annoyed.
@@thomashuffman3237 I always just assume he felt or heard their wing flaps or where their voices were coming from or other such shenanigans. I mean he doesn't have a literal sonar like Daredevil, but other senses being heightened isn't an alien concept.
Hex Maniac Quinn That makes sense.
Well... at least this movie knew Pierce Brosnan couldn't sing
She forgot to mention that our female lead looks like friggin' Belle from Beauty and the Beast.
And that "My Father's Wings" scene is a total ripoff of Belle's reprise at the farm and Ariel's "Part of Your World".
people who don't like Camelot:
Me: I STAND ALONE
*NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!*
I stand alone too
I low key high key love this film but the incest dragons were most definitely NOT NEEDED
I agree, I always found that fact low-key disgusting tbh
I think that if they were two separate dragons who decide to help the heroes out of the interest in stopping the bad guy to gain the respect of their peers who bully them because they are respectfully too cowardly (Devon) and docile (Cornwall) where the other dragons are aggressive and think that surviving a battle with the knights is a rite of passage to becoming a true dragon. Devon and Cornwall have never done this ritual and are passed the age that it typically occurs. Devon is afraid of so many things that he rarely leaves his cave while Cornwall despises unnecessary violence and would rather settle differences without fighting and this makes them both outcasts and each other’s only friends until they meet Kaylee and Garrett who help them realize that they are far more than that and that helping retrieve Excalibur could help the other dragons respect them because they would get to fight evil knights and it’d still count as completing the ritual as the rules never said that the knights had to be good guys.
"Bailiff, what do you say we torch this musical?"
"(Gibberish!)" (Translation: "I couldn't agree more!")
THIS DILM TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!
@Rebecca Woolf ....got better.
I swear to you guys this movie was so loved in Italy because of the excellent dub! The songs are so good in Italian (both in lyrics and performance), that I'm really shocked about how it sounds in English: the performances are so bland, so emotionless, they sound almost amateur-ish comparing it to the Italian version.
Anyway totally still a guilty pleasure.
Speaking of Italy, the original singer of "The Prayer" is Italian (Andrea Bocelli).
Does that count the stupid dragon song?
@@timothymclean eeeeeh it's kinda cheesy and all, but it's still delivered well so no complaints 👀
Two things that bugged me most about Ruber were 1.) His pupils/irises keep disappearing, and 2.) THOSE RAGGED-ASS FINGERNAILS!
He needs to be taken to a nail salon
To a certain degree, I liked this movie. But that love was more directed towards the music, to be honest.
United We Stand is my absolute favorite song from this
If there is a thing this movie got right its the animation. The characters are very creative in design, moves very smooth, the effects are stunning and have A LOT of detail.
"because power of cooperation or some shit" This isn't even a humorous oversimplification; it's all the explanation the movie gives, with the same amount of detail.
No you're missing the most baffling detail: The thing they decided to start agreeing on was "humans be fine." All throughout the movie both characters were kind of skeevy, talking about wooing human women and actually lowkey ogling Kaley. And Garrett got them to agree on something by going "You both love Kaley, don't you?"
Moral of the story: dragon boners solve your problems.
@@metademetra I thought that logic was dumb (or at least badly-phrased) even when I was a kid. I never put two and ew together like that, though.
@@timothymclean Yeah I'd describe this movie as weird, and 90% of that is because of the human ogling two-headed dragon that may or may not be the product of incest.
Ooh!! Ooh, I think I figured something out. Okay, so kayley gets knighted in that white dress, it’s the same dress her mom was helping fit her for at the beginning! It’s probably the only formal gown she owns, since she’s a tomboy and stuff. She probably borrowed her mom’s jewelry for the event.
That’s maybe the one thing in the whole movie that’s kinda clever. Aww. She ended up wearing that dumb dress AND being a knight. Isn’t that cute.
Assuming I’m not wrong.
To think the original book of this film was way way more adult. Can’t imagine what the screenwriters were like when reading the rape scene of the book.
Mind giving a quick rundown for a layman like me who hasn't even heard of the book? 😅
I think they were thinking "Is THIS the day someone makes a mainstream adult animated film? No? The nation has to wait for Sausage Party? Well GREAT."
@brandon roberts In fairness, they DID make Hunchback into a kid's movie. With varying results.
enyacoladas The novel follows the experiences of Lynette of Arthurian Legend after she saves her sister Leonie from the Red Knight, covering the events of the original legends as a series of flashbacks and vastly expanding Lynette's character.
Congratulations for being the only reviewer I know of for restraining themselves from making a Monty Python joke during this. That can't be easy, especially since Eric Idle is in it.
Also, fun fact: like the first Descendants film, the songs in this movie were an afterthought, hence why they're so out of place.
I just had the thought that this would be a great movie to slap the old “fix the underdeveloped romance by making them childhood friends” bandage onto. I admit I’m biased because I’m a sucker for the “childhood friends who were separated growing up and have new and complicated feelings towards each other now that they’ve been reunited” trope, but it could work for this one! What if Kayley and Garett knew each other through her father mentoring him but wound up thrust down different paths after his death? Maybe even Kayley was raised in Camelot, giving them ample opportunity to know each other and have shared memories to bond over when they reunite, but after her father’s death, her mother decided to move them out of the castle because of trauma or wanting to raise Kayley somewhere with less battle training going on or something, so Kayley grew up assuming that Garett stayed in Camelot and must’ve become a great knight and stuff. Having a previous relationship gives Garett more reason to help Kayley than “because the bird likes her?” and gives them some common ground to have actual conversations and bond rather than just shallow bantering.
King Arthur: "Oh on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place."
Yeah, King Arthur summed it up
I used to love this movie as a kid. I know better now, but I will admit that this little bit of dialogue kinda gets a giggle out of me.
Kaylee--Oh, I didn't realize you were...
Garrett--What? Tall? Rugged? Handsome?
Kaylee--Blind.
Garrett--I always forget that one.
Ruber's metal monsters look pretty cool, they deserve to be in a better movie!
Best way to sum up Disney and other competitors, Disney is Coke, DreamWorks is Pepsi and the others are failed imitations.
Also, I was tempted to shout "LOTERÍA!" when those knights were shouting their virtues.
Also, Kaleigh's singing voice, funny enough, wasn't by a British person but by Andrea Corr, lead singer of The Corrs and Irish, not British, where the film sets place.
Pixar is Sprite/Fanta.
Laika is tea.
Comparing Disney with Coke is actually pretty good: Both are unhealthy and sugary, both have shaped pop-culture in a way we don't even comprehend, and both are developing a grasp on the world's economy that I'm not ready to support anymore.
I'll stay with Frizz Cola.
Yeah...and this guy is based off, off Mordred...which tbh I don't understand why he isn't:? I Mean Mordred is aside from Lancelot and King Arthur one of the most well-known figures from Arthurian legends and in most movies, adaptations, works that use Arthur he is sure to appear alongside Morgan Le Fey and Guinevere, Lady of the Lake and Merlin. I mean he is one of the most well-known villains too. Why make up a new knight when you already have a villain right there? I mean Mordred being King's Arthur's nephew(by his sister/half-sister-and no he was son of Morgause, not Morgan. Morguase was Arthur's sister but he didn't know that at the time- none the less, but in the movie he could be someone else's son) would have a natural claim for the throne. Being of the royal family. He could think he's entitled to the throne and want to do away with his uncle. I think Morgouse was Pendragon's kid from first marriage even, so that would give Mordred more motivation. He's the son of someone who'd been there first, woman or not he has MORE right to Excalibur and throne. and thus he does the villainous stuff.
Was reminded of the Animaniacs hour long episode "Hooray for North Hollywood" and a joke that was self flagellation on Warner brothers animation studio. Namely a flop animated movie that was a horrific amalgamation of Quest for Camelot and Space Jam called "Jamalot"
Though Space Jam WAS a hit.
@@colleen4ever didn't say Space Jam was a flop; though now that I think about it, Jamalot may have also been a jab at the movie musical Camelot, which was also directed by Warner bros failing to recapture the success they saw with the film adaptation of My Fair Lady
My reaction to this movie was the same as the Nostalgia Critic:
*JUST EXPLAAAAAAAIIIIIINNNNN!!!!!!*
Nostalgia critic: unless you oh i don't know EXPLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m glad Diva did this since I stopped watching all his videos
@@KariIzumi1 seriously you still hate him because of this bullcrap happen last year?
Diego Hernandez I have a problem with people who shit on their employees and cover up for known rapists, yes. Until and unless CA issues a real apology for what they’ve done, I’m happy to take my views elsewhere.
Katie Lewis thanks you.
That feel when her own father spent more time with a blind kid than his own daughter.
That feel when the main villain waited ten years to enact his plan, his plan that would allow a grown-up Kayley to sneak off and find Excalibur before he could.
That feel when there are three comedy relief characters in the movie and not one of them is funny.
That feel when Sir Ruber is literally the only evil, off-putting, and ugly thing in the entire movie, but who's backstory is completely omitted for some reason.
That feel when Merlin uses no spells to retrieve Excalibur or treat Arthur's wounds.
That feel when not even one gosh darn song in the movie was well written or memorable.
That feel when Sir Ruber only names one of his minions "Blade beak" for no discernible reason.
That feel when Sir Ruber stabs the sword into the stone at a 35 degree angle- which magically transforms into a perfect 90 degree angle.
That feel when one of the worst romances between two main characters in an animated film ever.
I could care less for this movie’s plot, but the songs are FANTASTIC
Personally, I think this movie would be 200× better by simply taking out the two headed dragon.
As far as Ruper goes, he's a flat placeholder villain with crappy motives but I enjoy his portrayal. He has a certain charisma to him that appeals to me.
And PBS went on to copy the whole two-headed dragon concept for DragonTales!
TBH I personally think nearly all Disney movies would also be waaay better without their comic relief sidekick characters too 😬 The only exceptions I can think of off the top of my head are Lion King & Little Mermaid?
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Lion King is because Timon and Pumba actually add to the plot. They move the story forward. And they don't stop the movie for the dumb gags for the most part.
@@midwinterhunt Good point! Ditto for Sebastian, at least, in Little Mermaid.... I struggle to think of any useful story function enacted by the ubiquitous slapstick animal sidekicks in Pocahontas or Moana! 🤦🏻♀️
WB was putting all its CG efforts into Iron Giant.
crystalfairy912 Only to have that film bomb at the box office.
I loved "Quest for Camelot" since I was a kid, and I still do enjoy this movie.
Nevertheless, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the movie.
Somehow, “Barbie and the Three Musketeers” did this better despite having completely different source material, no musical numbers, and way fewer celebrity voice actors.
I didn't even know this existed and now have a morbid sense of curiosity; How is it?
3:02 Generosity! Laughter! Kindness! Honesty! Loyalty! Magic!
Mastodon! Pterodactyl! Triceratops! Sabre-toothed tiger! TYRANNOSAURUS!!!
Water! Earth! Fire! Air!
Cirrus Stratus
Form feet and legs! Form arms and torso! And I'll form the head!
Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl...
ReasyRandom AND STEVEN
"Butt of a fart joke." Redundant much?
The line in Rupert's villain song 'With this potion I bought from some witches' made me totally lose it.
Maybe the villain would have been more relatable if he didn't look like Quasimodo did meth...
Seriously why is the villain looking like that.
He's supposed to look villainous, which traditionally means both "scary" and "ugly". Quasimodo was supposed to look ugly but not villainous; it's not too surprising that Ruber looks like Quasi on meth and steroids.
I got the biggest smile on my face upon seeing this in my sub box
Me TOO
I realized around four years ago that, if you look at it...this whole film is basically How To Train Your Dragon 2 if it sucked.
- Kayley loses her father but keeps her mother.
- She comes from a mythical land inspired by Northern European legends.
- She gets the help of a dragon and a love interest to fight against a muscular, beefy madman of a warlord and his animal sidekick.
- She gets a position in her land's government thanks to her quest.
Holy fuck I never noticed that before 😱🤯
At least Hiccup still had his father until the end of the movie.
As a kid I actually thought this was some weird sequel to Disney’s The Sword in the Stone.
Yay! Finally!
Yeaaaah this movie was bad.
Side note though, I learned about Sunny and Cher from their appearances on Animaniacs, not Scoobi Doo ;-)
I think you would have field day with The Scarecrow 2000. I hope to see you look into that.
Can't wait for you to tear that TMNT "musical" apart!
Oh this is gonna be soooo good!
I know it's a strange thing to notice and take sight umbrage with but Devon and Cornwall? Seriously? Was their mother called Tintagel, just for extra Arthur flavour?
15:51 Rockbiter, why the hell are you in this shit!?
Rockbiter: It looked like a good...strong...script...didn't it?
As someone who's really passionate about seeing amazing animation and musicals, this was an interesting experience for me as a kid. Even as a child, I noticed a lot of inconsistencies. Some things were animated beautifully while others looked rushed. Some songs had a properly thought-out storyboard while others didn't.
It's a shame when a potentially good movie has to suffer because of trouble behind the scenes (i.e. The Black Cauldron).
This movie is a huge childhood favourite of mine (and how ironic that this video came out on my birthday haha). It's interesting to visit it again now that I'm older, seeing different opinions aside from my biased glorified nostalgia as well as seeing the flawed production history as well. Thank you for this video!
This is one of those movies that I love despite it's flaws. As a kid it was a favorite of mine and I still watch it every few years. While the movie is definitely not great, it was my first exposure to a disabled character where the movie went out of it's way to show them as capable. Media that I remember as a kid often said "It's wrong to pity people with disabilities, but you should try to help them in any way you can."and this was the first one that said "there's no need to pity them, they're different, not broken". That had a major affect on me and I think it would be wrong of me to not acknowledge that. Years later when I was diagnosed with a disability it genuinely helped to recall the few pieces of media that shared that viewpoint and I attribute this movie heavily to my positive viewpoint on it. Maybe that's just because I saw it during my formative years, but I still can't help being fond of the film because of it. I guess I'm a little sad that the movie didn't earn a saving grace because of it.
Apparently gary oldman was fucking plastered while singing that song