Introducing Elden Ring: Dayreign. A new competitive PvP spinoff game by From Software. Return to the Lands Between to answer a mysterious summons and discover the true nature of the Den. Battle against Elden Lords of other timelines in new thrilling PvP arenas in a game designed from the ground up for our most hardcore fans. Hone your build at the new Rune Arc Shop and see if you have what it takes to become Top-Tier in Elden Ring: Dayreign, coming 2025.
@@TryAgain9999 yeah but the ones not wearing the statue head get to have 99, like I dont understand the rules, and the level is weird. its hard to get into.
Recoveries from actions in DS3/ER are not short, are simply non existant, and there's a reason for it, PVE difficulty is mostly emergent from bullshit unpredictable combos that never end and iterate from bosses, you need extremely quick recovery to be able to poke hits in small windows of opportunity and to spam rolls too, else it would be unplayable. Adapting to that has nuked PvP from dark souls2, where timings were much more meaningful and punishing actions was a thing, even consistent roll catching, even exhausting their stamina.
A curse from infinite superarmor bosses as a whole. Maybe in 50 years, better ai will be a goal again and mobs won't need insanely powercrept stats that devolves the gameplay.
Skill level and mastery of the fundamentals is incredible, but sometimes it's like watching Barcelona and Real Madrid play tippy tappy football in the Champions League Final. I understand why, but it's not very exciting to watch.
Passivity in souls has always been prevalent. My bet is on the instant turning speed being at fault, allowing easy evasion and easy whiff punish at the same time.
@@glatykoffi6672yeah it really is kind of silly how some players want Souls to be like fighting games. I think pretty much any FG player could watch this video and instantly identify the problems with the design, namely that defensive options (like rolling, and locked-on backwards sprinting) are ridiculously overtuned, which makes aggressive play too risky. This DEN map at least tries to be a corrective to FromSoft's arena by having closer edges and corners, but changing the shape of the arena can't overcome these fundamental issues with the game.
Looking at their rules the banned weapons were: - Carian Thrusting Shield - 2h Dueling Shield - 2h/ps Backhand Blade (Class) max upgrade (somber):+8 max upgrade (normal):+20 - 2h/ps Backhand Blade (Weapon) - Smithscript Cirque - Cleanrot Knight's Sword Two-handed - Pata - 2h/ps Star Fist - 2h/ps Iron Ball - Claws of Night - Smithscript Shield - Spread Crossbow - Offhand Rakshasa's Great Katana Banned ashes of war: - Bloodhound's Step - Quickstep - Raptor of the Mists - All Parries - Endure - Oath of Vengeance - Royal Knights Resolve - Determination - Flaming Strike - Storm Stomp - Storm Assault - Last Rites - Swift Slash - Blind Spot - Scattershot Throw - Needle Piercer - Red Bear Hunt - Barbaric Roar on Fists - Shriek of Sorrow with active Red Feather with active Blue Feather Banned talismans: - Alexander Jar Shard - Warrior Jar Shard - Crucible Feather - Dagger Talisman - Tali. of All Crucibles - Two-Handed Sword Tali. - Spear Talisman on Sword Lance - Blessed Dew Talisman MAX ONE AT A TIME : * Blue Feather * Red Feather They were also forced to use 99 vigor or 97 vigor with imp head and they are playing level 164 +25/+10 weapons. Some spells, consumables and greases were also restricted but I don't want to make the comment that long
Arent raptors stronger on dex ? Seems 70 dex has ~30 more ar then 70 str. But probably natural physical res are lower on dex so it will balance it out.
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It's still amazing to me how little actually good duelists press L2. Who'd have thought that you have to use your skull when you don't have two friends filling the screen with orbital lasers and screen nukes?
@@JohnU1515 It "keeps priority" for weapons that can't normally do that, which in fighting game terms means it creates an unfair amount of frame advantage. It's also fast and has a lot of range on top of that.
@@Kumo-s6f Makes a lot of sense. Thanks. I only ever used that ash for about 20 mins and never on PVP since I don't have online for my console so I never experienced those issues before.
@@imustconquer What are you talking about? It has very short range, it can't even rollcatch with an R2 after R1 like claymore and other bigger swords can
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 has more damage, more range and is not the heaviest thrusting sword, and scales well with strength. What the heck are its downsides, it’s busted mathematically.
The tourney requires you to level past your RL 125 character's normal vigor to get 99 vigor for longer fights (they do this in ER because damage is so unbalanced in ER the fights aren't long enough. DS3 didn't need it because damage was more balanced). They both run 58 vigor on their RL 125 with Imp Head (Lion) to get 60 so they go to 97 to achieve 99 with Imp Head (Lion)
@@hideyasuyuki1 tl;dr -> strength w/ two-handed sword talisman + new greases = better than dex, keen or lightning Yeah, since heavy two-handed weapons with grease have always been better for 80% of infusable setups, the two-handed sword talisman and new greases push it over the edge and it's better than dex at almost everything when when you lightning infuse. Dex is only still better for a few setups like urumi, raptor talons (yes the guy in the video could have been even more dominate with a dex build. I assume he prefers str setups overall more than dex but came prepared with raptors since he likes the matchup against shamshir), guardian sword spear, and backlhand blades (which are probably either banned or the ashes swift slash and blind spot are banned if you use them making them not competitive). Rakshasa is the only other pvp competitive setup i think for dex but it's probably also banned because of the buff to its ash of war weed cutter (which if you don't know does too much damage, frame traps with just the click of an L2 bc its two separate swings, can tank a colossal sword with its hyper armor, can be chained with automatically timed rollcatches by spamming L2, while also automatically rollcatching out of every normal attack on the weapon, and only costs 8 fp each time :). So it better be banned. No double banned actually)
There was also a guy using dryleaf arts, and a guy with an arcane faith caster with the silver mask and 26 mind. There is variety but you just didn't see it
Absolutely crazy and nonsensical that cleanrot is banned but not raptors. What is everyone's problem with that weapon? It's only ever very good with BHS
@@Dosntmattrshu If it's the best weapon in the game why does no one ever use it as a main weapon unless it's paired with BHS? The damage is only high if you can get multiple hits too, and without BHS that isn't very easy
Man going back to ds3 made realize how shitty ER pvp is. There was a counter to every playstyle then but now its just this passive whiff bait punish curved sword tryhard bullshit
This same type of play was common in DS3 too, what was meta level PK use if not passive curved sword bullshit? Things are higher tuned in ER than DS3 for sure, but they are wholly different games. No one or the other is better or sucks less. People bitched about things when DS3 was where the majority of PvP was happening. They bitched about DS1 and DS2 as well.
Im not complaining that the pkaystyle exists, ds3 pvp is better hands down and more entertaining. Ds3 allowed you the tools to counter any playstyle. The unique poise system that was hyperarmor was perfect against this style of curved sword space whiff punish playstyle. It was so easy to bait them. But this doesnt exist in ER, they decided that weapon arts should be custom, that they should abandon the orginal poise system that was better for a half baked ds3 poise system. Its a unfinished mess because they allowed such freedom in customizable pvp that they will never fix even a fraction of it. So now there are no counters to these kind of playstyles and its just all slow paced deal with playstyles. Ds3 got so much love in pvp man, ER is unfinished and wont be finished, its harf ti take any kind of competetive play and tourneys like these seriously or have meaning
Introducing Elden Ring: Dayreign. A new competitive PvP spinoff game by From Software. Return to the Lands Between to answer a mysterious summons and discover the true nature of the Den. Battle against Elden Lords of other timelines in new thrilling PvP arenas in a game designed from the ground up for our most hardcore fans. Hone your build at the new Rune Arc Shop and see if you have what it takes to become Top-Tier in Elden Ring: Dayreign, coming 2025.
I'd be unironically down for it ngl
This is actually fire wtf
The good timeline (we ain't in it)
Don't do this to me bro...
Are u fr like s this frfr
ChaseTheBro would win
@@OnlyWaifuYT challenge him
100%
I remember the funniest thing I ever heard was "Spacing Exploit"
Still makes me chuckle. Imagine being in a race for track and someone accuses you of using “running exploits” to win the foot race 💀
1st time i ever seen space ranger play i was blown away
I'm surprised that they're both using the Dragoncrest Greatshield tali, considering it only reduces 5% physical damage in PVP.
5% is not bad. There aren't a lot of talis you can run instead of it too.
To be fair, the better your armor the better that tali
The difference is noticeable given that total damage is all in one hit compared to the combos of the ds3
@@boof994 If the Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman is only 5% in PVP how much does the lowest version increase in PVP? 1%? Lol
@JohnU1515
Maybe, but why would use the lowest version out of like the 4 versions?
The powa of R2 into R2
00:04 wow, they show the build too and it's so simple, Fred Flintstones vs Blind Swordman
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By the way i appreciate this type of video, and the commentary is 9/10.
For 10/10 we need clawyetta co-commentary.
Can someone explain the 99 vigor thing? i did the numbers theyre like level 200 something
@@ryanshiver9044 I think the statue head give 2 points in vigor for the 99
@@TryAgain9999 yeah but the ones not wearing the statue head get to have 99, like I dont understand the rules, and the level is weird. its hard to get into.
goat for highlighting the scene
You can always sleep with Chase to improve your TH-cam Chanel.
SteelendaTheLionovsky
Recoveries from actions in DS3/ER are not short, are simply non existant, and there's a reason for it, PVE difficulty is mostly emergent from bullshit unpredictable combos that never end and iterate from bosses, you need extremely quick recovery to be able to poke hits in small windows of opportunity and to spam rolls too, else it would be unplayable.
Adapting to that has nuked PvP from dark souls2, where timings were much more meaningful and punishing actions was a thing, even consistent roll catching, even exhausting their stamina.
A curse from infinite superarmor bosses as a whole. Maybe in 50 years, better ai will be a goal again and mobs won't need insanely powercrept stats that devolves the gameplay.
Meta builds are literally “random bs go” it’s funny how it comes full circle like that lol
Skill level and mastery of the fundamentals is incredible, but sometimes it's like watching Barcelona and Real Madrid play tippy tappy football in the Champions League Final. I understand why, but it's not very exciting to watch.
Passivity in souls has always been prevalent. My bet is on the instant turning speed being at fault, allowing easy evasion and easy whiff punish at the same time.
@@glatykoffi6672yeah it really is kind of silly how some players want Souls to be like fighting games. I think pretty much any FG player could watch this video and instantly identify the problems with the design, namely that defensive options (like rolling, and locked-on backwards sprinting) are ridiculously overtuned, which makes aggressive play too risky. This DEN map at least tries to be a corrective to FromSoft's arena by having closer edges and corners, but changing the shape of the arena can't overcome these fundamental issues with the game.
what level they fight¿? 125 ?
Rl 164 and 99 vigor
Can anyone tell me which weapons/aow were banned in this tournament?
Pretty much everything you would think should be banned,like bhs,endurr,dueling shields, etc
@ yea fair enough i also assumed status grease
Looking at their rules the banned weapons were:
- Carian Thrusting Shield
- 2h Dueling Shield
- 2h/ps Backhand Blade (Class)
max upgrade (somber):+8
max upgrade (normal):+20
- 2h/ps Backhand Blade (Weapon)
- Smithscript Cirque
- Cleanrot Knight's Sword
Two-handed
- Pata
- 2h/ps Star Fist
- 2h/ps Iron Ball
- Claws of Night
- Smithscript Shield
- Spread Crossbow
- Offhand Rakshasa's Great Katana
Banned ashes of war:
- Bloodhound's Step
- Quickstep
- Raptor of the Mists
- All Parries
- Endure
- Oath of Vengeance
- Royal Knights Resolve
- Determination
- Flaming Strike
- Storm Stomp
- Storm Assault
- Last Rites
- Swift Slash
- Blind Spot
- Scattershot Throw
- Needle Piercer
- Red Bear Hunt
- Barbaric Roar
on Fists
- Shriek of Sorrow
with active Red Feather
with active Blue Feather
Banned talismans:
- Alexander Jar Shard
- Warrior Jar Shard
- Crucible Feather
- Dagger Talisman
- Tali. of All Crucibles
- Two-Handed Sword Tali.
- Spear Talisman
on Sword Lance
- Blessed Dew Talisman
MAX ONE AT A TIME :
* Blue Feather
* Red Feather
They were also forced to use 99 vigor or 97 vigor with imp head and they are playing level 164 +25/+10 weapons. Some spells, consumables and greases were also restricted but I don't want to make the comment that long
Arent raptors stronger on dex ? Seems 70 dex has ~30 more ar then 70 str. But probably natural physical res are lower on dex so it will balance it out.
What ash does space have in the claws?
AoW doesn't really matter on claws since FS is banned.
Divine beast hoarfrost stomp I think
@@Smaxy_ Why is Flaming Strike Banned?
@@JohnU1515 too powerful, in most cases the best play is to press l2 when you have fs
@@imustconquer Oh ok. Makes sense. I got why Bloodhound's Step would be but was unsure why that one. Thank you.
When the duel between wazeus and steelovsky? Day 3 of asking
I call upon all the players of eldin warong to replicate the same message with me, every video, counting each time the days of asking.
The more we are the more we're strong and one day he will certainly, absolutely, with no way of failure, 100% do what we ask.
Power to people. Ravioli ravioli the duel is already in our pocket loli
@@TryAgain9999you can ask him when he streams, he might respond to it.
@@3zooz17 if i ask that alone he would never consider me. Please share your energy with me
Wazeus cant get close to tryhard mode Steel. Yes he's flashy and enjoyable to watch but in shape Goldovsky smashes him hard 😮
@@BlackBrain1337 are you sure about that? I want to see it for real
It's still amazing to me how little actually good duelists press L2. Who'd have thought that you have to use your skull when you don't have two friends filling the screen with orbital lasers and screen nukes?
Yea but being a space warrior is a lot worse.
Most tournaments have the OP ashes like endure bhs and sometimes flaming strike banned so It's better to use your l2 as a mix up.
@OG1Donut What isnwrong with Flaming Strike for it to be banned?
@@JohnU1515 It "keeps priority" for weapons that can't normally do that, which in fighting game terms means it creates an unfair amount of frame advantage. It's also fast and has a lot of range on top of that.
@@Kumo-s6f Makes a lot of sense. Thanks. I only ever used that ash for about 20 mins and never on PVP since I don't have online for my console so I never experienced those issues before.
I wanna see Jennie fight in these
jeenine doesnt really care about the game like that anymore, he said himself hes just getting his content and hops off
cleanrot should only be banned when combined with BHS or quickstep. I've beaten plenty of Cleanrot users with Shamshir, it isn't broken on its own
Cleanrot is legit busted even without bhs, shit hits you from over a mile.
@@imustconquer What are you talking about? It has very short range, it can't even rollcatch with an R2 after R1 like claymore and other bigger swords can
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 lmao nice bait
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 has more damage, more range and is not the heaviest thrusting sword, and scales well with strength. What the heck are its downsides, it’s busted mathematically.
@@johndang55 How does it have more damage than raptors? LOL, it simply doesn't.
Why 97 health?
Rules like that probably
The tourney requires you to level past your RL 125 character's normal vigor to get 99 vigor for longer fights (they do this in ER because damage is so unbalanced in ER the fights aren't long enough. DS3 didn't need it because damage was more balanced). They both run 58 vigor on their RL 125 with Imp Head (Lion) to get 60 so they go to 97 to achieve 99 with Imp Head (Lion)
@ thanks for explaining that. So I’m guess strength builds are the defined meta now. I don’t see Dex setups anymore.
@@hideyasuyuki1
tl;dr -> strength w/ two-handed sword talisman + new greases = better than dex, keen or lightning
Yeah, since heavy two-handed weapons with grease have always been better for 80% of infusable setups, the two-handed sword talisman and new greases push it over the edge and it's better than dex at almost everything when when you lightning infuse. Dex is only still better for a few setups like urumi, raptor talons (yes the guy in the video could have been even more dominate with a dex build. I assume he prefers str setups overall more than dex but came prepared with raptors since he likes the matchup against shamshir), guardian sword spear, and backlhand blades (which are probably either banned or the ashes swift slash and blind spot are banned if you use them making them not competitive). Rakshasa is the only other pvp competitive setup i think for dex but it's probably also banned because of the buff to its ash of war weed cutter (which if you don't know does too much damage, frame traps with just the click of an L2 bc its two separate swings, can tank a colossal sword with its hyper armor, can be chained with automatically timed rollcatches by spamming L2, while also automatically rollcatching out of every normal attack on the weapon, and only costs 8 fp each time :). So it better be banned. No double banned actually)
Not really a tournament if it’s just going to be strength only and people running shamshir. Should have more variety across the board.
Bro Space Ranger was literaly running raptor talons in the finals,and also people use dex and faith builds all the time.
There was also a guy using dryleaf arts, and a guy with an arcane faith caster with the silver mask and 26 mind. There is variety but you just didn't see it
its still a tourney even with no build variety??
@@Dosntmattrshu Not really, imagine if it was Mortal Kombat 12 and you only see Liu Kang or Johnny Cage.
hows it "not a tournament" ? even if the ruleset was like 1 weapon only it would still be ppl competing against each other
PvP in souls games is so dumb its just run away and attack
Elden R2ing.
Absolutely crazy and nonsensical that cleanrot is banned but not raptors. What is everyone's problem with that weapon? It's only ever very good with BHS
bro its like the best wapon in the game lowk except for dueling shield or smth
@@Dosntmattrshu If it's the best weapon in the game why does no one ever use it as a main weapon unless it's paired with BHS? The damage is only high if you can get multiple hits too, and without BHS that isn't very easy
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 bc its the best way to use it if unrestricted
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 insane bait
@@xo_japec Someone disagreeing with the drooling majority, must be bait!
Day 53 of asking you to 1v1 me
Man going back to ds3 made realize how shitty ER pvp is. There was a counter to every playstyle then but now its just this passive whiff bait punish curved sword tryhard bullshit
This same type of play was common in DS3 too, what was meta level PK use if not passive curved sword bullshit? Things are higher tuned in ER than DS3 for sure, but they are wholly different games.
No one or the other is better or sucks less. People bitched about things when DS3 was where the majority of PvP was happening. They bitched about DS1 and DS2 as well.
Im not complaining that the pkaystyle exists, ds3 pvp is better hands down and more entertaining. Ds3 allowed you the tools to counter any playstyle. The unique poise system that was hyperarmor was perfect against this style of curved sword space whiff punish playstyle. It was so easy to bait them. But this doesnt exist in ER, they decided that weapon arts should be custom, that they should abandon the orginal poise system that was better for a half baked ds3 poise system. Its a unfinished mess because they allowed such freedom in customizable pvp that they will never fix even a fraction of it. So now there are no counters to these kind of playstyles and its just all slow paced deal with playstyles. Ds3 got so much love in pvp man, ER is unfinished and wont be finished, its harf ti take any kind of competetive play and tourneys like these seriously or have meaning
No way you talk about ER with whiff punish curved sword to then praise ds3, ds3 curved sword is like er thrusting sword.
@thegk-verse4216 fr... yt comments never cease to amaze me
@ Dude was definitely a passive PKCS shitter 💀 and now he’s mad at Elden Ring cause he can’t play like that anymore
That Banana Guy is annoying asf
Ps5 no? Hahahah...