Great video as there was very little info on this when did this job myself nearly 2 years ago. the roofers I tried to get to do it quoted astronomical quotes or wanted to cap over the failed verges. Mortar was literally dropping out and felt repointing wont last.I ended up renting a scaffold and removing the end verge tiles as you have and fully bedding the tiles down on a fresh layer of mortar. Absolutely solid and even it it fails within next 5-10 years it cost me less than 25% than local roofers wanted and I learnt a new skill.
There's no doubt this will end up being a very aesthetically pleasing verge detail but in reality this kind of attention can only realistically be applied working on your own projects or if a quotation allows for this kind of time. I'm a roofer myself and you are doing a very very good job there.
Yes m8 for the most part. I'm of an age where when I came into the game everything was muckwork (sand and cement/mortar) so that's what I learned which I'm grateful for as I can do both whereas a lot of the younger men today can only do the dry fix which isn't there fault I suppose but even though its rare there are certain areas where traditional details will always be such as heritage and in general roofing from time to time and I'm grateful I have the skills to do either. It's a bit of a split debate. If I'm honest I prefer the more traditional aspects of roofing. The methods are tried and tested and a lot of the modern products look cheap and tacky in my opinion. It seems the emphasis is focused on speed over everything. That's not for me. I don't like sitework at all for multiple reasons. The major one that really gets me is the lack of care a large majority of people show towards others work due to the "crash the meterage down and get the money in attitude. I was on a very nice site in Bath the plots were luxury homes and apartments. The roofs were natural slates. Gable and hip structure mostly and the parapet walls clad in lead. Very typical for the area. It's a heritage city. The mess the stonemasons made on the slates and the amount they broke was insane. The vent details I made using lead on site got walked over and damaged to an unsavable state. It was hard to understand how so much mayhem was caused by the putting coping stones on the wall. I went to the trouble of getting a couple of damaged 50mm sheets of celotex insulation boards and got them up on the scaffold for them and asked them to lay those on the roof and work off a ladder laid on them. As you can guess no doubt they didn't get used and this just went on until we refused to slate the roofs if the copings weren't done. I could go on but I won't lol
@@LeeTarrofiyfdsyesippptitled sounds like a nightmare! You come across as one of the tradesmen that actually cares though 🙌 I was thinking about the time thing today with something I've been faffing with and thought I bet no-one bothers doing this because they need to be in and out so they can earn as much as they can in the shortest amount of time
I feel your pain. Whole new reclaimed Welsh slate roof, scaffolds up to allow fix of leaks and so now a 14 broken slates, and fruit trees damaged. Nearly six years after the rebuild start, still on-going!!
Awww man... thanks so much. Did you know here, in the US they make it seem so expensive and unreasonable to do clay tile roof. I'm so happy I found your page.
I'm a roofer 36 years old done it since I was 15. Your doing a really nice job but to take that kind of time an detail if I priced tht up to do it your way I'd stand no chance of getting the job. Keep up the good work
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT yh no one really asks for mortar verge anymore. Dry is so much quicker but personally I think it looks cheap after a year or 2. There nice to start with but don't look so nice after a year or so. 😂An as my dad always says u don't want a speed merchant
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT yh no one really asks for mortar verge anymore. Dry is so much quicker but personally I think it looks cheap after a year or 2. There nice to start with but don't look so nice after a year or so. 😂An as my dad always says u don't want a speed merchant
That mortar gets wet and rots the battens said when you squash dow that tile mortar covers batten .please protect ends of batten you can get batten end protection caps or wrap a couple of layers of membrane around it and staple fix to batten. Also mix sbr with cement base the under cloak and underside of tile it never come adrift with a mechanical fixing as well ,I uses stainless steel screw
Most roofers point them after they have bedded the whole lot down so I can't see why you couldn't point it after a couple of days. I suppose it's just like raking out and repointing brickwork in a way
I have old fashion lime mortar inside my attic it keeps falling off. We prefer using screw too than nails. Can also get them out easy if made mistake. Only when they rust are the hard to get out
I think that's called lime torching. It was done before tiles had nibs to secure them and also to stop wind driven rain or snow. I was going to buy a house once that had that but decided against it as they wanted too much money considering it needed a new roof and lots of other things
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT Thank you for that, I will try and find out if it can be done from inside. I just had my roof patched up from outside. Roofers came. The scaffold team came first of course. After the work was finished . The roofer said patching up is OK but with these old roofs it is better to make the entire roof new. Cost me close a £1,000 to get the holes fixed. and scaffold put up. The scaffold team took about an hour to put it up. The roofers took about 4 hours. He said afterwards if there is another strong wind most likely more slates will come off. I typed in "lime torching" as you mentioned and just saw this th-cam.com/video/g3ocOg1Nfjc/w-d-xo.html
I'm guessing they used 'tingles' to fix any slipped slates? If the roof is old then the original fixings have probably gone bad and maybe the torching was the only thing keeping them on. You can do the torching from inside like that video has shown. I've done a lime day course before so it might be worthwhile you finding a course as the instructor will give you advice. I'm sure you'd be able to do the lime torching yourself then 😀
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I would rather DIY nothing worse than paying to get a job done then just days after it goes wrong. Last time that happened is when I got my old boiler fixed. I got a brand new one afterwards. Lesson learned. I think going on a course would be best. Or paying someone that does it for a living to train me. I hate awkward places to work. At least I have put a nice firm floor down in my attic to work on.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I looked up "tingles" but only saw sunbed cream. Doubt that was what you mean. Do you know which Lime mortar might be best, to re do torching. I saw 3 types: Lime Green Natural Hydraulic Lime medium Mortar / Ironstone Lime Mortar / Lime Green Natural Hydraulic Lime Mortar (Strong Mortar)?
I'm not a roofer and have only ever done wet verges on my roofs. However I know you can get continuous dry verges for slate roofs, they're either plastic or aluminium
So I have an issue where the under board has broken and the mortar has fallen out having to fill it in but not replacing the under board. Not sure quite what I need to do to fix it!
Hiya I have a 1998 built gable roof which has some undercloak and edge mortar falling off and a sagging soffit. Can I get advice on how to repair or do you have any vids? Would I have to remove all the fibre board and edge cement or Can I spot repair
Hi Harmeet, I'm not a roofer so can't give any solid advice as such. I would have to see a picture to have a go at pointing you in the right direction. I would say it is quite possible to patch repair something like that but it really depends how far gone it is. Otherwise the belt and braces approach would be to take off all of your verge tiles and redo the undercloak and bed your tiles like I have on this video.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT thanks mate for the advice. It’s a small staggered terrace gable edge so only effecting the lowest point 2-3m out of a total 6m-ish roof edge. I can defo send you pics if you can tell me where to email over
Be aware that the undercloak and soffit is probably full off asbestos! Undercloak is normally OK as it stays solid ! Soffit board can be a different story ! Wear a mask
Yeah just aesthetics. I had the brickwork done in white cement and 'white sand' which is a lighter yellow, so I done the same for the roof. I think it looks fresh 😎 I had loads of cement left over from the wall too
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I’ve no idea why you haven’t got more subs. I follow hundreds of you tube channels and yours is some of the best content that I genuinely look forward to. It’s well produced too. So please keep it up. I’ve a feeling you’re about to go to the moon!!!!! Thinking back the weird thing is I came across your channel when researching hvlp sprayers and you did a little review of an erbauer one…
Also I relate to the content because I’m a bit of a “jack of all trades, master of none” myself. My back ground is Professional audio,video,lighting systems. I’m also a qualified Loxone installer. I also make furniture. Lol. So if you need any advice in these areas don’t hesitate to get in touch. Good luck! You are genuinely living my dream doing that project. I would love to be doing a self build myself one day.
Appreciate your support mate 😁I think I've just not been picked up by the algorithm yet as not enough people comment on or 'like' my videos. Although my subscriber count has gone up, I seem to have a core audience of about 20 people. So overall my engagement is low and the algorithm recognises that. Nice, what kind of furniture? Did you know that the original saying is "a jack of all trades is a master of none, but often times, is better than a master of one"
Muck too wet, and you don't need to mess with the muck so much, as you are staining the tiles. Wait for it to dry, then scrape the skin off. You can always clean the stains with a sponge and lots of clean water, if necessary, use brick acid.
It was a super hot day so done the muck a little wetter so we didn't have to do too many mixes. My mate was doing the other side whilst I done this gable. Turned out fine in the end though 🤷♂️
Great video as there was very little info on this when did this job myself nearly 2 years ago. the roofers I tried to get to do it quoted astronomical quotes or wanted to cap over the failed verges. Mortar was literally dropping out and felt repointing wont last.I ended up renting a scaffold and removing the end verge tiles as you have and fully bedding the tiles down on a fresh layer of mortar. Absolutely solid and even it it fails within next 5-10 years it cost me less than 25% than local roofers wanted and I learnt a new skill.
Nice one 🙌 ah well if it fails we know we can just do it again 😁
There's no doubt this will end up being a very aesthetically pleasing verge detail but in reality this kind of attention can only realistically be applied working on your own projects or if a quotation allows for this kind of time. I'm a roofer myself and you are doing a very very good job there.
Thanks buddy. Do you find yourself doing mostly dry verges these days?
Yes m8 for the most part. I'm of an age where when I came into the game everything was muckwork (sand and cement/mortar) so that's what I learned which I'm grateful for as I can do both whereas a lot of the younger men today can only do the dry fix which isn't there fault I suppose but even though its rare there are certain areas where traditional details will always be such as heritage and in general roofing from time to time and I'm grateful I have the skills to do either. It's a bit of a split debate. If I'm honest I prefer the more traditional aspects of roofing. The methods are tried and tested and a lot of the modern products look cheap and tacky in my opinion. It seems the emphasis is focused on speed over everything. That's not for me. I don't like sitework at all for multiple reasons. The major one that really gets me is the lack of care a large majority of people show towards others work due to the "crash the meterage down and get the money in attitude. I was on a very nice site in Bath the plots were luxury homes and apartments. The roofs were natural slates. Gable and hip structure mostly and the parapet walls clad in lead. Very typical for the area. It's a heritage city. The mess the stonemasons made on the slates and the amount they broke was insane. The vent details I made using lead on site got walked over and damaged to an unsavable state. It was hard to understand how so much mayhem was caused by the putting coping stones on the wall. I went to the trouble of getting a couple of damaged 50mm sheets of celotex insulation boards and got them up on the scaffold for them and asked them to lay those on the roof and work off a ladder laid on them. As you can guess no doubt they didn't get used and this just went on until we refused to slate the roofs if the copings weren't done. I could go on but I won't lol
@@LeeTarrofiyfdsyesippptitled sounds like a nightmare! You come across as one of the tradesmen that actually cares though 🙌 I was thinking about the time thing today with something I've been faffing with and thought I bet no-one bothers doing this because they need to be in and out so they can earn as much as they can in the shortest amount of time
I feel your pain. Whole new reclaimed Welsh slate roof, scaffolds up to allow fix of leaks and so now a 14 broken slates, and fruit trees damaged. Nearly six years after the rebuild start, still on-going!!
😊 Good on you for having a go
Awww man... thanks so much. Did you know here, in the US they make it seem so expensive and unreasonable to do clay tile roof. I'm so happy I found your page.
I am a roofer and even though I would do things differently i take my hat off to you you are doing a good job
Thanks mate
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT don't mention it mate.
Great roofing videos - Just about to tile a “posh” garden shed we’ve built and now I know how to do it! Thanks👍👍👍
Awesome 🙌
I'm a roofer 36 years old done it since I was 15. Your doing a really nice job but to take that kind of time an detail if I priced tht up to do it your way I'd stand no chance of getting the job. Keep up the good work
Ah but you'd be a damn sight quicker than me 😂 Do you find yourself doing alot of dry verges these days then?
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT yh no one really asks for mortar verge anymore. Dry is so much quicker but personally I think it looks cheap after a year or 2. There nice to start with but don't look so nice after a year or so. 😂An as my dad always says u don't want a speed merchant
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT yh no one really asks for mortar verge anymore. Dry is so much quicker but personally I think it looks cheap after a year or 2. There nice to start with but don't look so nice after a year or so. 😂An as my dad always says u don't want a speed merchant
That mortar gets wet and rots the battens said when you squash dow that tile mortar covers batten .please protect ends of batten you can get batten end protection caps or wrap a couple of layers of membrane around it and staple fix to batten.
Also mix sbr with cement base the under cloak and underside of tile it never come adrift with a mechanical fixing as well ,I uses stainless steel screw
Thank you very helpful nice to see it done well before l have ago 😕
Good luck, you've got this 🙌
Can I repoint the verge after bedding the tiles a few days ago your vids have been a great help
Most roofers point them after they have bedded the whole lot down so I can't see why you couldn't point it after a couple of days. I suppose it's just like raking out and repointing brickwork in a way
That looks the business.
Thanks mate 😁
What is called this white board underneath? That's holding the mortar??
Look like you found my other video already 👍
Thanks 😊👍🏻
No probs 👍
What do you call that light grey slate like material that sits right on the edge of the roof that the mortar sits on? Thanks
th-cam.com/video/HwLXd8zd9Y0/w-d-xo.html
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECTthanks couldn't find this named anywhere 👍🏽
@@bobh8597 no worries
I have old fashion lime mortar inside my attic it keeps falling off. We prefer using screw too than nails. Can also get them out easy if made mistake. Only when they rust are the hard to get out
I think that's called lime torching. It was done before tiles had nibs to secure them and also to stop wind driven rain or snow. I was going to buy a house once that had that but decided against it as they wanted too much money considering it needed a new roof and lots of other things
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT Thank you for that, I will try and find out if it can be done from inside. I just had my roof patched up from outside. Roofers came. The scaffold team came first of course. After the work was finished . The roofer said patching up is OK but with these old roofs it is better to make the entire roof new. Cost me close a £1,000 to get the holes fixed. and scaffold put up. The scaffold team took about an hour to put it up. The roofers took about 4 hours. He said afterwards if there is another strong wind most likely more slates will come off. I typed in "lime torching" as you mentioned and just saw this th-cam.com/video/g3ocOg1Nfjc/w-d-xo.html
I'm guessing they used 'tingles' to fix any slipped slates? If the roof is old then the original fixings have probably gone bad and maybe the torching was the only thing keeping them on. You can do the torching from inside like that video has shown. I've done a lime day course before so it might be worthwhile you finding a course as the instructor will give you advice. I'm sure you'd be able to do the lime torching yourself then 😀
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I would rather DIY nothing worse than paying to get a job done then just days after it goes wrong. Last time that happened is when I got my old boiler fixed. I got a brand new one afterwards. Lesson learned. I think going on a course would be best. Or paying someone that does it for a living to train me. I hate awkward places to work. At least I have put a nice firm floor down in my attic to work on.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I looked up "tingles" but only saw sunbed cream. Doubt that was what you mean. Do you know which Lime mortar might be best, to re do torching. I saw 3 types: Lime Green Natural Hydraulic Lime medium Mortar / Ironstone Lime Mortar / Lime Green Natural Hydraulic Lime Mortar (Strong Mortar)?
What is a dry verge for Welsh slate?
I'm not a roofer and have only ever done wet verges on my roofs. However I know you can get continuous dry verges for slate roofs, they're either plastic or aluminium
So I have an issue where the under board has broken and the mortar has fallen out having to fill it in but not replacing the under board. Not sure quite what I need to do to fix it!
I honestly can't see it being done without sliding in another board in. The mortar isn't self supporting
Hiya I have a 1998 built gable roof which has some undercloak and edge mortar falling off and a sagging soffit. Can I get advice on how to repair or do you have any vids? Would I have to remove all the fibre board and edge cement or Can I spot repair
Hi Harmeet, I'm not a roofer so can't give any solid advice as such. I would have to see a picture to have a go at pointing you in the right direction. I would say it is quite possible to patch repair something like that but it really depends how far gone it is. Otherwise the belt and braces approach would be to take off all of your verge tiles and redo the undercloak and bed your tiles like I have on this video.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT thanks mate for the advice. It’s a small staggered terrace gable edge so only effecting the lowest point 2-3m out of a total 6m-ish roof edge. I can defo send you pics if you can tell me where to email over
@@harmeettatla1981 do you have instagram? My profile link is in the description
Be aware that the undercloak and soffit is probably full off asbestos! Undercloak is normally OK as it stays solid ! Soffit board can be a different story ! Wear a mask
@@rickphillips5098 had a local roofer do the work at very reasonable cost. It’s 1998 roof so don’t think asbestos would be used in modern era
Any reason you went for white cement, just aesthetics?
Yeah just aesthetics. I had the brickwork done in white cement and 'white sand' which is a lighter yellow, so I done the same for the roof. I think it looks fresh 😎 I had loads of cement left over from the wall too
Am I first again?!?!
Enjoy it whilst you can 🤣
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT I’ve no idea why you haven’t got more subs. I follow hundreds of you tube channels and yours is some of the best content that I genuinely look forward to. It’s well produced too. So please keep it up. I’ve a feeling you’re about to go to the moon!!!!! Thinking back the weird thing is I came across your channel when researching hvlp sprayers and you did a little review of an erbauer one…
Also I relate to the content because I’m a bit of a “jack of all trades, master of none” myself. My back ground is Professional audio,video,lighting systems. I’m also a qualified Loxone installer. I also make furniture. Lol. So if you need any advice in these areas don’t hesitate to get in touch. Good luck! You are genuinely living my dream doing that project. I would love to be doing a self build myself one day.
Appreciate your support mate 😁I think I've just not been picked up by the algorithm yet as not enough people comment on or 'like' my videos. Although my subscriber count has gone up, I seem to have a core audience of about 20 people. So overall my engagement is low and the algorithm recognises that.
Nice, what kind of furniture? Did you know that the original saying is "a jack of all trades is a master of none, but often times, is better than a master of one"
Muck too wet, and you don't need to mess with the muck so much, as you are staining the tiles. Wait for it to dry, then scrape the skin off. You can always clean the stains with a sponge and lots of clean water, if necessary, use brick acid.
It was a super hot day so done the muck a little wetter so we didn't have to do too many mixes. My mate was doing the other side whilst I done this gable. Turned out fine in the end though 🤷♂️