Professional roofer here: Everyone watching this, please remember this guy isn’t doing it correctly, the roof pitch looks too shallow & verges should be bedded not pushed mortar in with bits of rubbish here and there, this verge will fall apart in 5 years as there’s isn’t enough mortar in there. The video shouldn’t be followed for educational purposes & the chap doing the work should make this perfectly clear. Also there should be lead flashing fitted to the wall abutment at the top of the roof not cement layed on top of the tiles, any movement in the building & this will crack and cause a leak. Not to mention the batten at the verge shouldn’t be close to edge as it is in this video nor should the roof membrane be so close, all this will suck moisture through the cement verge & cause rotting.
Frankie , if you listen on the video I did explain that this is a temporary set up , it was the best cost option for us at the time, we had tiles left from another job, I didn’t want to spend money on a proper flat roof, also I explained that you would normally fit lead over the cement at the point of meeting the building, I can’t disagree with what say, the next chance we get to film a roof we will then you can see what we are about, the whole building will be flattened in the near future, many thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, Cheers from Old budd 👍
This is wrong but when bedding verges with a pan tile I do like to throw some muck down first, squash some broken tile in, then out more muck on top. Them pantiles can be a right pain to point up because the bed is so big. I find that helps
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I wouldn’t be able to live with myself doing work like that, them tiles should be bedded ,everything is wrong with the felt and under cloak, ,and that lead work at tops a classic??? But I must admit that it would make a great education video ,,for how not to do it
Liked & Subscribed. Can I ask why you put the broken bits of tiles in. Is it for strength or just so I can use a bit less cement mix ? Storm Eunice took my verge tiles off so intend to replace using your video as a guide. Thank you for making this video.
hope you had a good Christmas, so your cementing the facia, so you got the roof tile, so whats the board called you've put under the tile to rest the cement on, i think they used asbestos board in the day, is it cement board. thank you.
Quickest way is to take the tiles off then put your muck in then placing tiles back, so essy and simple, the tiles have more compression as well so it's stronger!
Just what I was going to say,bed the mortar high and then press the tile on,the times iv seen people bed the tile on then they scrape it back and point over another day only to find in a year it falls out cos its only half inch think
@@stevesmith3850 it takes a lot longer that way and it's less strength as theirs no compression from the tile into the muck! UK Construction industry has gone backwards in a lot of ways, power tools make workers look better than what a lot of people think
@@breadmanted As I've stated my way doing it you pack in as much compo as possible for the tile to be placed back down again, this way the muck spreads out and force the muck back in again with a gauging trowel how I do it then angle the muck flat to the cement board, muck has to be a little stiff but workable, I see loads of guys packing muck in without taking tiles off which takes them all day to do when it should be done in less than half that time, UK construction industry has went downhill big time, big guys earning huge profits off the working man, not enough older guys taking young people on and when they do they use them as labourers for cheap pay and don't learn them much! 10 years time the UK building workforce will have lost a lot of people and a lot of knowledge how to do things because of greed
Great vid :) Are you in Suffolk? I'm in Sax and three big bits of the concrete recently fell out of the verges (of my 400-year-old house). Almost hit me cat! :O ;) One of the barge boards is a bit knackered too :/
I've never seen anything like this in my 16 years of roofing, bed the verges, put a flashing at top edge, most importantly that roof is basically flat, board it and fibreglass, that's a leak waiting to happen
I hope that's your own property, if not there will be a very unhappy customer when the fillet cracks, the end tiles blow off in a moderate wind and the felt rots in the gutter. I would also question the pitch of the roof for the tile used.
Just to put you in the picture it is our own place and it’s just a temporary set up , we had the tiles spare from another project so we used those instead of a fibre glass or rubber roof, I did explain that it was only temporary and no lead as it’s not going to be there long, you are totally right in what you say, it is just a way to get to another point, really appreciate you watching the video 👍👍
The felt should go under the undercloak because the cement will now corroded it and now your mortar is set on a floating surface. The mortar should be cut to the underside of the tile and not up onto the tile face edge as it’s too thin, will crack and then open up the bed. Felt shouldn’t be going into the gutter too as it will rot out. The cement fillets at the top have been banned for years as the lack of movement and again will leak.
@@sorryrocco And here is the problem with builders - no two agree on method. How is the householder supposed to judge whether the person they're paying is doing the job properly ?
It’s working fine , it is only a temporary solution, we were going to flat roof it but we had some tiles left from a previous job, it just worked out a lot cheaper option at the time, but in answer to your question it’s working fine 👍
I can guarantee the verge will have cracks all over it as he didn't put a slight lip on the cement verge going under the side if the tiles, which makes the rainfall run straight into the cement and as I say causes cracks.
They are not the right type for such a low pitch, they were just some we had left of a job, and as it is a temporary building, it was the cheapest option, 👍 thanks for watching
Nice neat job. Isn't it better to use flashing for the top of the roof rather or as well as concrete. If the concrete cracks or there is any movement, rain water is going to run off the wall behind the concrete verge?... Pro's educate me please..
meant to bed the verge then compress the tile down then point it off pushing cement in like that won't last plus your underlay should be under your cloak, plus the pitch of that roof you've used the wrong tiles or you need mor than 75 mil head lap
Where to start? 1. Membrane should be under the undercloak not on top. 2. Where's the felt support at eaves level? No membrane should be be fitted into the gutter. Also the first course is drooping - I suggest no eaves ventilation has been fitted. 3. Nails? I can't see any nails in the top row, which makes me think there are no nails fiited at all. 4. Roof pitch? The roof seems far too low for a single concrete pantile. 5. You should not mortar into an abutment. There should be a dry abutment fitted and / or lead flashing
Only roof for that pitch is a flat roof, will leak like crazy with them tiles, why use a cement fillet on the back should be a lead flashing chased into the wall. Cement works nice but you are no roofer sorry
Looks shallow pitch ? Lower than 15* and your in trouble also head lap of tiles wellout of spec. Max is 100mm your on at 75mm , lead flashing needed to be chased into render, that mucks blown already ibet , still the customer would think it looks good
This is how not to muck a verge! Take the tiles off then lay the muck then you put the tile on to the muck pushing it down for a nice bond, the way in the video will be loose and within a year or two
Absolutely shocking job 🙄 As everyone has already said, the tiles need to be removed and bedded and felt goes beneath the undercloak. Timber roofs move too and that is why we use lead flashings instead of fillets. Your cement mix is too dry too, won't adhere properly.
Why have you got tiles on a basically flat roof and you bed tiles into the compo not pushing it in like that there's so much wrong with that I don't know were to start
Paul You totally right, but it is a very temporary roof, we used up some bits and pieces we had left, we could do the job ourselves, and we didn’t have to pay a flat roofer, it’s a means to an end, many thanks for watching 👍
Oh good god. Roof pitch is way too low for them tiles. So there was never a need to use lead for flashing just use mortar!!!. Has this roof been replaced yet
007, we know , this building is only a very temporary building, we just used materials that we had left, when we get the chance to do a proper roof we will, thanks for watching 🤦♂️👍
Never seen anything like it 🤦🏽♂️. Bed the tiles! Whats all the broken bits of tiles going in there for aswell 😂. Also that pitch is to shallow for them single pans.
Wow just wow, the tiles are wrong for the roof pitch, that pitch looks about a 10 degree roof which should be a flat roof, and as for the cement I’ve never seen anything like this, wow
Totally agree we did it as a temporary set up, as we had the tiles left from something else, it has 18mm ply underneath, but doing it this way was just so much cheaper and easier at the time, it did the job. Cheers for watching 👍
It is actually a temporary building, it was a cheaper option than a complete flat roof as we had the tiles left from another job, this room is there for 24 months max, but I get what all the critics say as in there world they are right, but it’s a means to an end, thanks for watching everybody , keep building 👍👍
Don't you just love the comments from 'professional' roofers? Comments re felt, battens , etc are from people who've probably never been on a roof. As for the idea of lead flashing - from clowns who'd probably cut into the wall and slot it in with clips. How's that gonna work on roughcast? Chippies, plumbers, sparkies - whoever - no-one seems to know anything these days. They just do as someone who didn't know what they were doing told them. I've just re-roofed a centuries old barn and done it exactly as this guy has - except I didn't use felt. It was last roofed over a century ago and none of the disasters foretold by the 'experts' befell it.
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Professional roofer here:
Everyone watching this, please remember this guy isn’t doing it correctly, the roof pitch looks too shallow & verges should be bedded not pushed mortar in with bits of rubbish here and there, this verge will fall apart in 5 years as there’s isn’t enough mortar in there. The video shouldn’t be followed for educational purposes & the chap doing the work should make this perfectly clear.
Also there should be lead flashing fitted to the wall abutment at the top of the roof not cement layed on top of the tiles, any movement in the building & this will crack and cause a leak.
Not to mention the batten at the verge shouldn’t be close to edge as it is in this video nor should the roof membrane be so close, all this will suck moisture through the cement verge & cause rotting.
Frankie , if you listen on the video I did explain that this is a temporary set up , it was the best cost option for us at the time, we had tiles left from another job, I didn’t want to spend money on a proper flat roof, also I explained that you would normally fit lead over the cement at the point of meeting the building, I can’t disagree with what say, the next chance we get to film a roof we will then you can see what we are about, the whole building will be flattened in the near future, many thanks for taking the time to watch and comment,
Cheers from Old budd 👍
@@BuildingwithBudd Good traditional builder - balls it up AND still got an excuse !!
Would you put water proofer through your mortar mix
This is wrong but when bedding verges with a pan tile I do like to throw some muck down first, squash some broken tile in, then out more muck on top. Them pantiles can be a right pain to point up because the bed is so big. I find that helps
Stick to building m8 that roof degree is far too low for any tiles
pitch and guage if it's right now leaks but house concrete tiles are shit, I hate them
It must be the fish eye camera lense.
they look level😂
What pitch do you think it is??...
You're a good all-round bricky Mr Budd, keep uploading interesting videos of your work.
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Thanks for the video. One bit of the job I was unsure about!
Cheers for watching
Right cowboy job fair play
Love the birds mouth on bottom course lovely 🤣
Thanks for sharing
What was mix3 to 1??, ifyeswhy ??, why no lead flashing on top row of tiles just a fillet ??
I wouldn’t be able to live with myself doing work like that, them tiles should be bedded ,everything is wrong with the felt and under cloak, ,and that lead work at tops a classic??? But I must admit that it would make a great education video ,,for how not to do it
lovely job
Just realised he is serious. Even funnier. Mate give it a break. 😂😂
Brilliant vid just what I was looking for ....now to find me some crappy old tiles to break up 👍👏
Cheers Niknoks thanks for watching 👍👍
What pitch is that roof lol looks too shallow for the headlap you have on the tiles, let me guess you battened it out at the max gauge?? 😂
I think it's an illusion with his camera work as it looks better at the end of the video when looks at it from the ladder lol
Can you nail through this verge board ?
Should have used sharp sand. Also what happened to the lead flashing ? I wonder what it looks like now ?
Liked & Subscribed. Can I ask why you put the broken bits of tiles in. Is it for strength or just so I can use a bit less cement mix ? Storm Eunice took my verge tiles off so intend to replace using your video as a guide. Thank you for making this video.
Ferenc we put the broken bits of tile to help the cement go of, if not it hangs wet for a long time, many thanks for watching 👍👍
Put a bit of rapid cement in with the mix that will help
If you put your verges back on the same way as this!......you'll be redoing them again in the future too
@@plaintilerrubbish
Your supposed too bed the verge tile onto a bed of compo, then point it up when the first lot has gone off.
Compo?
@@Hew.Jarsol compo, composite another name for mortor. Sand & cement.
hope you had a good Christmas, so your cementing the facia, so you got the roof tile, so whats the board called you've put under the tile to rest the cement on, i think they used asbestos board in the day, is it cement board. thank you.
Yes, 'cement board' replaces the old asbestos cement board.
Undercloak
Quickest way is to take the tiles off then put your muck in then placing tiles back, so essy and simple, the tiles have more compression as well so it's stronger!
Just what I was going to say,bed the mortar high and then press the tile on,the times iv seen people bed the tile on then they scrape it back and point over another day only to find in a year it falls out cos its only half inch think
@@stevesmith3850 it takes a lot longer that way and it's less strength as theirs no compression from the tile into the muck! UK Construction industry has gone backwards in a lot of ways, power tools make workers look better than what a lot of people think
Why not do it properly ??? Bed the tiles in ,,rake back and flush point when it's set!!! To many ROOFER'S not doing it right these day's
@@breadmanted As I've stated my way doing it you pack in as much compo as possible for the tile to be placed back down again, this way the muck spreads out and force the muck back in again with a gauging trowel how I do it then angle the muck flat to the cement board, muck has to be a little stiff but workable, I see loads of guys packing muck in without taking tiles off which takes them all day to do when it should be done in less than half that time, UK construction industry has went downhill big time, big guys earning huge profits off the working man, not enough older guys taking young people on and when they do they use them as labourers for cheap pay and don't learn them much! 10 years time the UK building workforce will have lost a lot of people and a lot of knowledge how to do things because of greed
Your talking shit! Cowboy! The man is perfection personified!!
Are the roof tiles suppose to be level? shouldn't they be slanted going down?
Excellent so you reckon it beats the latest Dry Verge Plastic efforts then lol
Great vid :) Are you in Suffolk? I'm in Sax and three big bits of the concrete recently fell out of the verges (of my 400-year-old house). Almost hit me cat! :O ;) One of the barge boards is a bit knackered too :/
Old Norfolk boys , don’t get over the border much, cheers for watching 👍👍
Did this leak?
I've never seen anything like this in my 16 years of roofing, bed the verges, put a flashing at top edge, most importantly that roof is basically flat, board it and fibreglass, that's a leak waiting to happen
No lead flashing where the roof meets the house?
I hope that's your own property, if not there will be a very unhappy customer when the fillet cracks, the end tiles blow off in a moderate wind and the felt rots in the gutter. I would also question the pitch of the roof for the tile used.
Just to put you in the picture it is our own place and it’s just a temporary set up , we had the tiles spare from another project so we used those instead of a fibre glass or rubber roof, I did explain that it was only temporary and no lead as it’s not going to be there long, you are totally right in what you say, it is just a way to get to another point, really appreciate you watching the video 👍👍
Shouldn't the undercloak be over the felt and not under??
Can we see it after a year
The felt should go under the undercloak because the cement will now corroded it and now your mortar is set on a floating surface.
The mortar should be cut to the underside of the tile and not up onto the tile face edge as it’s too thin, will crack and then open up the bed. Felt shouldn’t be going into the gutter too as it will rot out. The cement fillets at the top have been banned for years as the lack of movement and again will leak.
Your as bad as him, compo doesn't rot type 1f or modern felt.
@@sorryrocco And here is the problem with builders - no two agree on method. How is the householder supposed to judge whether the person they're paying is doing the job properly ?
@@sorryrocco Why not?
@@justbreakingballs why not what
Hi, can you tell me please if it's working... thanks
It’s working fine , it is only a temporary solution, we were going to flat roof it but we had some tiles left from a previous job, it just worked out a lot cheaper option at the time, but in answer to your question it’s working fine 👍
I can guarantee the verge will have cracks all over it as he didn't put a slight lip on the cement verge going under the side if the tiles, which makes the rainfall run straight into the cement and as I say causes cracks.
Wonder did water blow up under the tiles 🤔 at this low pitch tiles should have a greater lap
What's the pitch on that roof?? Certainly looks far too shallow for tile?
Great work bud..you from norfolk?
Thanks and yes
Very nice work, sir!
Thank you! Cheers! 👍
What type of tiles are they?
They are not the right type for such a low pitch, they were just some we had left of a job, and as it is a temporary building, it was the cheapest option, 👍 thanks for watching
Pan tile
Idk about Building with Budd it should be Building with Bob 😂
Lovely indeed. Great job
highest skill level
If the cement cracks after some time, I should just add more on top?
I think this guy got the word old boy mixed up. Should say cowboy 🤠
Nice neat job.
Isn't it better to use flashing for the top of the roof rather or as well as concrete. If the concrete cracks or there is any movement, rain water is going to run off the wall behind the concrete verge?...
Pro's educate me please..
No education needed pal your bang on
@@MrSmoore77 Thank you for responding.
Yes your right cementing like that was done back in the day no good wants lead
Beautiful job mate
Wow
meant to bed the verge then compress the tile down then point it off pushing cement in like that won't last plus your underlay should be under your cloak, plus the pitch of that roof you've used the wrong tiles or you need mor than 75 mil head lap
Where to start? 1. Membrane should be under the undercloak not on top. 2. Where's the felt support at eaves level? No membrane should be be fitted into the gutter. Also the first course is drooping - I suggest no eaves ventilation has been fitted. 3. Nails? I can't see any nails in the top row, which makes me think there are no nails fiited at all. 4. Roof pitch? The roof seems far too low for a single concrete pantile. 5. You should not mortar into an abutment. There should be a dry abutment fitted and / or lead flashing
Bed the tiles on. Once you’ve bedded them on you’ll be able to point them up. A much better job. Put some SBR in the muck and you won’t get any sag
Cheers
Only roof for that pitch is a flat roof, will leak like crazy with them tiles, why use a cement fillet on the back should be a lead flashing chased into the wall. Cement works nice but you are no roofer sorry
100%
👍😂😂😂😂
Cowboys🤠 verge tiles should be bedded down not just pointed and putting broken bits of tiles in won't last 12 months
No lead flashing? Pitch is too low for tiles!
that is the cowboy work. you need tons of cement for that way of job.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That pitch looks bloody low ???
It is very low. However the building is only temporary
@@BuildingwithBudd ☺☺☺☺🙂
@@BuildingwithBudd why spend the extra money on tiling it then
A tiled roof costs more than a flat
Looks shallow pitch ? Lower than 15* and your in trouble also head lap of tiles wellout of spec. Max is 100mm your on at 75mm , lead flashing needed to be chased into render, that mucks blown already ibet , still the customer would think it looks good
Lol just take the tiles off and bed on properly 🤠🤠
Should have let the dog run that verge
What pitch is that roof ?? 😂😂😂😂
How not to do it .. bad bad work
I never liked lead anyway
😂😂 pitch on that roof it’s gonna leak like a sieve.
This is how not to muck a verge! Take the tiles off then lay the muck then you put the tile on to the muck pushing it down for a nice bond, the way in the video will be loose and within a year or two
Absolutely shocking job 🙄
As everyone has already said, the tiles need to be removed and bedded and felt goes beneath the undercloak. Timber roofs move too and that is why we use lead flashings instead of fillets. Your cement mix is too dry too, won't adhere properly.
Why have you got tiles on a basically flat roof and you bed tiles into the compo not pushing it in like that there's so much wrong with that I don't know were to start
Paul
You totally right, but it is a very temporary roof, we used up some bits and pieces we had left, we could do the job ourselves, and we didn’t have to pay a flat roofer, it’s a means to an end, many thanks for watching 👍
😮
I love Buddy lol
Should bed tiles that will all pop
Speechless....absolutely horrific!!! Is this a joke?
😂where are your horses?
Alot of ppl saying should be beded and I agree but try do a regent tile 1st looool you need to use very stiff muk otherwise youre having a bad day
Use a margin trowel, and a ridge trowel
Not all cowboys ride horses😂😂😂
Great job man! However, round the tip of ya trowel off somewhat! Ya wont have to go over it so much then. Apart from that, first class!!
Not enough pitch driving rain will piss in
Should of been a flat roof. Way to shallow for roof tiles 😂
Oh good god. Roof pitch is way too low for them tiles. So there was never a need to use lead for flashing just use mortar!!!.
Has this roof been replaced yet
Not really how you bed tiles but each to their own mate
40 years doing it
Gonna run out of mix there
Wall to top of roof needs flashing. That won't hold.
what a bodge i hope you paid the customer thats rough as fuck hardly any over hang on the gable
Should have cut tile at lowest point shallower less cement
Cowboys there is no where near enough fall on that roof and you bed the tiles not point.🤠🤠🤠🤠
007, we know , this building is only a very temporary building, we just used materials that we had left, when we get the chance to do a proper roof we will, thanks for watching 🤦♂️👍
It will crack first hot day
Never seen anything like it 🤦🏽♂️. Bed the tiles! Whats all the broken bits of tiles going in there for aswell 😂. Also that pitch is to shallow for them single pans.
Polish it up , no cherry blossom will sort that out .
That pitch is far too low for those tiles, water will piss in
Bob the builder🤣🤣
Shocking to be fair so much wrong with this roof 😕
Take the tile off and bed it properly with a decent amount of muck , cant just push it in, does nothing
So wurde vor tausend Jahren gebaut...
Should of fibre glassed it
It was a case of using up what we had, it is only a temporary roof 👍
Wow just wow, the tiles are wrong for the roof pitch, that pitch looks about a 10 degree roof which should be a flat roof, and as for the cement I’ve never seen anything like this, wow
OMG
Iam also a retrobate
Shite! Tiles not bedded on to the mortar, felt on top of the cloaks, and lath ends in the mortar 😵💫
A flat roof has more pitch than that .
Totally agree we did it as a temporary set up, as we had the tiles left from something else, it has 18mm ply underneath, but doing it this way was just so much cheaper and easier at the time, it did the job. Cheers for watching 👍
I'm not a roofer though no lead flashing 😰
It is actually a temporary building, it was a cheaper option than a complete flat roof as we had the tiles left from another job, this room is there for 24 months max, but I get what all the critics say as in there world they are right, but it’s a means to an end, thanks for watching everybody , keep building 👍👍
This is not the way to “bed” verges. A proper roofer would not do this. Calling you a cowboy would be an insult to cowboys.
How long do you guarantee your work, 1 or 2 weeks🤣😂😂🤣 what a bodger!
This particular job I have given a lifetime no quibble guarantee, that’s how I rolled that day, 😀👍
Thats not how you run a verge and why didnt you install lead flashings 😂
About 6° lol
What on earth is going on here
Don't you just love the comments from 'professional' roofers? Comments re felt, battens , etc are from people who've probably never been on a roof. As for the idea of lead flashing - from clowns who'd probably cut into the wall and slot it in with clips. How's that gonna work on roughcast? Chippies, plumbers, sparkies - whoever - no-one seems to know anything these days. They just do as someone who didn't know what they were doing told them.
I've just re-roofed a centuries old barn and done it exactly as this guy has - except I didn't use felt. It was last roofed over a century ago and none of the disasters foretold by the 'experts' befell it.
Spot on 👍
hurt my eyes watching that wow a how not to do it tutorial