Thank you Dr. Cooper, I'm getting my graduate degree in Architecture currently and am designing a Lutheran Church for my final project. Really helpful information and I hope you'll make more videos that have to do with Liturgical Spaces and design!
As someone who's got a BA in Biblical Studies and Theology from a school that's heavily reformed, this is all new to me! I've recently (in the last couple of years) become Lutheran, and ecclesiastical polity and liturgical practice has been a weak point of mine. The more I know, the more I see the beauty in it and love it. Thanks for helping me, my family and everyone else who's in my same position! 👍🙏😀
I'm very grateful for this video. I don't agree with all of it (being a Reformed guy), but I am glad to know why the Lutheran tradition does what it does. More of this, please!
In lutheran cathedrals in Sweden there are often still a chair for the eventhough it is seldom used. There are reliques in some churches, where people can kneel and pray, but sadly not in the altar. Worth to mention is that also in the lutheran tradition, is the gospel read by the deacon, when present, not the priest.
Interestingly German Lutherans created Pulpit altars. A lot of people think they are designed that the pulpit thrones over the altar but actually thats not the case. They were built to set the focus on the both highlights of the service. Word and Sacrament. Gert Kelter did an excellent liturgy book where he explains this (in German though).
@@Dilley_G45 The guy is not Lutheran in any sense I know of, he is constantly paddling to the Reformed, denies the historical Lutheran position of the eternal virginity as an adiaphora Lutherans may subscribe to, and just try to criticize Judaism near him I did, and got accused of being a Nazi (despite being an Israeli, go figure).
In our tiny Anglican parish church ⛪️, the lectern and pulpit are the same. We usually have a lay reader reading the OT lesson and epistle, occasionally a cantor leading the responsive chanting of psalm, then the minister (pastor or deacon) and crucifer processing to middle of the nave for the Gospel reading.
Thanks so much for explaining the function of an altar. Ive never heard that before. I still prefer the use of a common table because I see communion as a connectional activity (sharing a meal) rather than a meal being distributed to people. The reform tradition is very wedded to the immediate access to God for the people and less of a need for a "priest" and more of a teacher or leader of the people in the act of worship. Good - I used to get pretty huffy when people would refer to our table as an altar (even our AV person does that). I may put that reaction away and see the altar as "the place where people's prayers are gathered".
Great video Doctor! When I was still in the ELCA, the Church I was a member of (which was part of the Ohio Joint Synod, then ALC, and now it's part of the ELCA, praying it will leave one day) had both a chancel for the choir, and a "semi-cathedra". The church was not a cathedral, but there was a seat that was made for either the preacher, or for the Bishop if they were to visit. We called it the throne. I don't know how common that is, I but I have seen it.
Another amazing presentation as always. Very educational. By the way I am currently reading the works of John knox. The foundation of the scottish reformation. And being to really respect protestantism God bless you brother. ✝️
We had a new pastor at our Bible Church try to call our "lobby" a "Narthex" and we just about initiated church discipline on him for using a strange word.
Last time I checked (which was about six years ago), Historic Trinity "Cathedral" in Detroit has a cathedra chair reserved for the Michigan District President. Strange I suppose, but I thought I'd mention it lol
I’m at a point in life where I feel stuck. I’m sure Lutheranism is probably more right than my tradition (Reformed Presbyterian), but in my town the Presby church is more Lutheran than the local LCMS church. On top of that I’m going to a Baptist University and am in a Presbyterian Seminary Program. What should I do?
When did verses like This is the Feast, Let The Vineyards, and Thank The Lord (LBW pp 83, 86, and 92). Can you do a video on liturgical canticlea used in the service) There is the verse I call "The common Generic Alleluia Verse ), "Loed to whom shall we Go?"
If anyone want to see more from lutheran churches here are two resources from Sweden. Note that many church buildings stem from before the reformation so have some catholic traits in them. 1. TH-cam channel "Kyrkoguiden" has recorded a great many lutheran churches in Sweden on behalf of the Svenska Kyrkan. The videos are short and much of them cover the exteriors but if anyone want to get a feel for how they look it is a nice place to dive in. No english subtitles or sound though. 2.Svenska Kyrkan also often have panorama views from the interiors. Each parish does things their own way, but most have this service. An example from south of Sweden Svenskakyrkan/landskrona. You can translate each page via the globe in the top right corner. Under the header of "churches and chapels" you can scroll down to beautiful St Ibbs church for example.
The altar is a good point. I thinks it's important (in addition to the excellent point from Revelation) that Noah and Abraham, etc built altars to offer worship to God prior to the institution of the Levitical system under Moses. Altars, like the moral law, predate and thus transcend the Old Covenant.
The law came 430 years after the covenant with Abraham and so is not eternal - it was added because of Transgressions. In terms of the term "Moral Law": there is no 3 way delineation in the Bible, it was Thomas Aquinas that formulated it and then followed by Luther and Calvin!...in fact a comparison of Exodus 34:28 and Hebrews 8:13 will inform that the Old Covenant is inseparable from the 10 Commandments and has been made obsolete: Pepalaioken. We are now under the Ennomos Christou (the Law of Christ)
@@larrycdalton The 10 commandments are merely a republication of the moral law Adam and Eve and creation were placed under. The Spirit enables us to fulfill the spirit of the law in a way that only the letter could've been prior.
@@logicaredux5205 You're right! I was exploring the Lutheran Church as a potential spiritual home...this channel has certainly helped me in running in another direction - "AND" so very, very helpful.
i was told that the lectern must be in the shape of an eagle with spread out wings, for the word of God has come to us on eagle's wings en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_lectern
Thank you Dr. Cooper, I'm getting my graduate degree in Architecture currently and am designing a Lutheran Church for my final project. Really helpful information and I hope you'll make more videos that have to do with Liturgical Spaces and design!
Oh wow that last part about the baptismal fount was just beautiful looking forward to more in this series
As someone who's got a BA in Biblical Studies and Theology from a school that's heavily reformed, this is all new to me! I've recently (in the last couple of years) become Lutheran, and ecclesiastical polity and liturgical practice has been a weak point of mine. The more I know, the more I see the beauty in it and love it. Thanks for helping me, my family and everyone else who's in my same position! 👍🙏😀
I'm very grateful for this video. I don't agree with all of it (being a Reformed guy), but I am glad to know why the Lutheran tradition does what it does. More of this, please!
In lutheran cathedrals in Sweden there are often still a chair for the eventhough it is seldom used. There are reliques in some churches, where people can kneel and pray, but sadly not in the altar. Worth to mention is that also in the lutheran tradition, is the gospel read by the deacon, when present, not the priest.
Interestingly German Lutherans created Pulpit altars. A lot of people think they are designed that the pulpit thrones over the altar but actually thats not the case. They were built to set the focus on the both highlights of the service. Word and Sacrament. Gert Kelter did an excellent liturgy book where he explains this (in German though).
Our church has the pulpit altar. Never knew it was of German heritage thanks for sharing!
First Dr. COOPER with a new video then a new "Prophecy Bingo" from "Fighting for the Faith" what an awesome Saturday morning
Right??!!??
@@cwstreeper yes
Now all that remain is for Rosebrough to finally convert to Lutheranism (and stop imagining anti-Semites everywhere).
@@benmizrahi2889 lol? What you're on about? He is Lutheran....and what are you banging on about anti....ism..
@@Dilley_G45 The guy is not Lutheran in any sense I know of, he is constantly paddling to the Reformed, denies the historical Lutheran position of the eternal virginity as an adiaphora Lutherans may subscribe to, and just try to criticize Judaism near him I did, and got accused of being a Nazi (despite being an Israeli, go figure).
I am so glad I found your channel, just started OSSD courses. You have answered so many questions for me. Thank you and God Bless!
In The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia we have a cathedra in each cathedral.
I visited a Eastern Orthodox Church and they don't have pews except chairs or benches along the wall. Most stand throughout the service.
This is a really good and useful series. Thanks.
In our tiny Anglican parish church ⛪️, the lectern and pulpit are the same. We usually have a lay reader reading the OT lesson and epistle, occasionally a cantor leading the responsive chanting of psalm, then the minister (pastor or deacon) and crucifer processing to middle of the nave for the Gospel reading.
Thanks so much for explaining the function of an altar. Ive never heard that before. I still prefer the use of a common table because I see communion as a connectional activity (sharing a meal) rather than a meal being distributed to people. The reform tradition is very wedded to the immediate access to God for the people and less of a need for a "priest" and more of a teacher or leader of the people in the act of worship. Good - I used to get pretty huffy when people would refer to our table as an altar (even our AV person does that). I may put that reaction away and see the altar as "the place where people's prayers are gathered".
Great video Doctor! When I was still in the ELCA, the Church I was a member of (which was part of the Ohio Joint Synod, then ALC, and now it's part of the ELCA, praying it will leave one day) had both a chancel for the choir, and a "semi-cathedra". The church was not a cathedral, but there was a seat that was made for either the preacher, or for the Bishop if they were to visit. We called it the throne. I don't know how common that is, I but I have seen it.
Dr Cooper's denomination is a group of ALC congregations that rejected ELCA "progressive " theology.
Another amazing presentation as always. Very educational. By the way I am currently reading the works of John knox. The foundation of the scottish reformation. And being to really respect protestantism God bless you brother. ✝️
We had a new pastor at our Bible Church try to call our "lobby" a "Narthex" and we just about initiated church discipline on him for using a strange word.
He was right. Your church was ignorant.
I was Roman Catholic and never heard the term until I was with the Lutherans.
@@nckoes You can be sure that your parish priest knew the word and simply chose not to confuse you. There is a lot the RCC doesn't tell lay people.
Loving these videos
The Choir Loft is also worthy of Expression.
Last time I checked (which was about six years ago), Historic Trinity "Cathedral" in Detroit has a cathedra chair reserved for the Michigan District President. Strange I suppose, but I thought I'd mention it lol
That's what orthodox churches have....a chair for the Bishop. Noone is allowed to sit there.
They do still have it from when I went around May this year
Fascinating.
I’m at a point in life where I feel stuck. I’m sure Lutheranism is probably more right than my tradition (Reformed Presbyterian), but in my town the Presby church is more Lutheran than the local LCMS church. On top of that I’m going to a Baptist University and am in a Presbyterian Seminary Program. What should I do?
I'd encourage you to just study on your own and become as understanding in scripture and doctrine as possible, trust in the Lord He will guide you
You sound like the average Episcopalian
If the baptismal font was before the santuary, i would not feel ok with going in and worshipping as an unbaptized person. Would that be the intent?
When did verses like This is the Feast, Let The Vineyards, and Thank The Lord (LBW pp 83, 86, and 92). Can you do a video on liturgical canticlea used in the service) There is the verse I call "The common Generic Alleluia Verse ), "Loed to whom shall we Go?"
Thought this pastor was LCMS, nope AALC, this video explains a lot.
I had heard that the octagonal shape was a reminder of the eight people on the ark who survived the flood.
it comes from 1 Peter 3:20
If anyone want to see more from lutheran churches here are two resources from Sweden. Note that many church buildings stem from before the reformation so have some catholic traits in them.
1. TH-cam channel "Kyrkoguiden" has recorded a great many lutheran churches in Sweden on behalf of the Svenska Kyrkan. The videos are short and much of them cover the exteriors but if anyone want to get a feel for how they look it is a nice place to dive in. No english subtitles or sound though.
2.Svenska Kyrkan also often have panorama views from the interiors. Each parish does things their own way, but most have this service. An example from south of Sweden Svenskakyrkan/landskrona. You can translate each page via the globe in the top right corner. Under the header of "churches and chapels" you can scroll down to beautiful St Ibbs church for example.
The altar is a good point. I thinks it's important (in addition to the excellent point from Revelation) that Noah and Abraham, etc built altars to offer worship to God prior to the institution of the Levitical system under Moses. Altars, like the moral law, predate and thus transcend the Old Covenant.
baptists on crucifixes: "tHoU sHaLt NoT cReAtE aNy GrAvEn ImAgEs
The law came 430 years after the covenant with Abraham and so is not eternal - it was added because of Transgressions. In terms of the term "Moral Law": there is no 3 way delineation in the Bible, it was Thomas Aquinas that formulated it and then followed by Luther and Calvin!...in fact a comparison of Exodus 34:28 and Hebrews 8:13 will inform that the Old Covenant is inseparable from the 10 Commandments and has been made obsolete: Pepalaioken. We are now under the Ennomos Christou (the Law of Christ)
@@HenryLeslieGraham Me on Baptists: "They should convert to Christianity already, here, send them some Cretan icons".
@@larrycdalton The 10 commandments are merely a republication of the moral law Adam and Eve and creation were placed under. The Spirit enables us to fulfill the spirit of the law in a way that only the letter could've been prior.
And the 1st century Church worshiped how???
One must wonder how the Apostolic Church of the 1st century managed!
They managed with lots of liturgy, robes, chanting, fasts, feasts, incense, infant and adult baptisms.
@@Mygoalwogel Please demonstrate you assertion with clear evidence from the New Testament.
Still Rome...by another name.
…and?
@@logicaredux5205 You're right! I was exploring the Lutheran Church as a potential spiritual home...this channel has certainly helped me in running in another direction - "AND" so very, very helpful.
@@larrycdalton Were you once Roman? What put you off Lutheranism?
I'd love to hear how you've come to that conclusion Larry.
Running away from historical Christianity, aren't we Larry?
i was told that the lectern must be in the shape of an eagle with spread out wings, for the word of God has come to us on eagle's wings en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_lectern