John: I was intrigued by your inclusion of the Curry TF mouthpiece -- because my favorite practice mouthpiece is the Curry 5TF. I purchased this as a practice aid in the hopes of improving my sound using a Bach 5B, but I ended up liking the Curry mouthpiece because of its warmth and better sound at lower volumes. I think the magic is in the larger throat and of course the deep V. Are there other mouthpieces that you have come across that could be an all round mp that has similar characteristics to the Curry TFs without getting heavier in mass? I enjoy your content and insights, by the way.
Thanks for this video Jon. Just want to expand it from blanks to only rim weight. I am using screw rim mouthpieces and lots of different underparts, mostly custom made Toshi, and old Bachs, etc. I have my exact rim in multiple weights. Only rim!! And it makes a considerable feel difference.
I find it interesting how different weights change how the mouthpiece plays. I am mostly a horn player but I play a little jazz on the trumpet. When I talk with trumpet players about different weights they always agree that it can change how it feels and play and even different metals for that matter but when I talk with other horn players they act like it's the most outlandish thing they have ever heard. Posted in a facebook group a side by side comparison of brass vs steel mouthpiece and someone went and slowed it down frame by frame just to look at my lips so they could say that's what the difference was.
Very informative! I had always perceived the heavier mouthpieces to have less overall projection unless really pushing the volume. Was there a demo of the Monette mouthpiece and its lighter self (a before and after)?
Another great video Jon! I am having a great time going through your videos during my week off. I have one question - where do you have your mouthpiece blanks altered?
Hey John! Again, very glad you are enjoying my videos. All the blank alterations done in this video were by Greg Black, and he did them expertly. Another person who does this kind of work is Matt Frost at Frost Custom Brass. I think sometimes blank alterations can be a slightly touchy subject because they are considered the “calling card” for a particular brand, but certainly I meant no disrespect to any of the mouthpiece makers whose pieces I had modified - just wanted to experiment in the name of science and trumpet geekdom!
Thank you very much, Curtis! Glad you like what I'm trying to do. I agree that these topics are often covered in a subjective way and part of my mission is, as you said, to bring some objectivity to these conversations. I appreciate your support!
Love your videos, Jon. Do you have any first-hand experience with the Yamaha GP series? I've been playing a Bach 1C for many years but wanted to experiment with a different timbre while keeping the dimensions somewhat similar. I took the plunge and ordered a Yamaha 17C4-GP in hopes of improving my core sound and perhaps darkening the tone slightly. I play a Bach 18077 so many aspects of my trumpet are lightweight in nature. Thanks for any thoughts.
Hey Jon. I'm curious how the mouthpiece gap (between the end of the shank and the beginning of the leadpipe: internal gap) factors into your observation of the slotting for heavy versus light mpcs.
Very interesting discussion. I wanted your opinion on the gold finish mouthpieces. What advantages do you get over the same silver version? For example, if I were to change my Denis Wick 3C American Classic silver mouthpiece for the Gold version, would I have any advantages? Thanks for your very interesting videos.
In my opinion the only thing that's likely to be different if you go to the gold plate is that the "grip" of the mouthpiece would decrease, making the surface more slippery on the chops. For some people that's preferred, for others, not. The only way to find out is to try yourself!
Hi William! The changes were in line with what I describe in the video as being the major changes between various weights. I just did not demonstrate it because I don’t have the same mouthpiece in the original blank to compare it to - so any “comparison” would’ve been subjective at best. Glad you enjoy the videos - I certainly enjoy making them!
Thanks for the great videos, Jon! In your professional opinion, do you think that the issue of blending with a section with contrasting mouthpiece blanks could play a factor in an audition/section round (such as using GR or Stork next to somebody with a Bach piece), or is it much more a matter of fine-tuning the day-to-day job of playing in a section?
Hey Charlie! Glad you enjoy my videos. I think the most important thing in both situations is probably the overall weight of the blank being in the same ballpark, which will give you and the section you’re playing with a similar amount of feedback and make it easier hear yourself fitting into their sound. I would need to do some more experimenting to see if similar weight but different shape blanks truly have different playing characteristics independent of the internal mouthpiece design (such as a Bach vs a Stork).
a very interesting vid. confirms my own observations. for the Bach, I do prefer the 'standard' age-old mp for tone and playability. but the newer heavy ones give a nice counter weight, so the horn balances better in my hands. pros and cons. also, one technical comment: trumpets produce harmonics, not overtones.
Does Vennture deal with trombone mouthpiece sizes ? I have a Marcinkiewicz Model 107 Bass Trombone mouthpiece that I would like to have a narrower throat, like that of a Bach 5G.
@@JonTalksTrumpet In between?! Yay! I've got an F tuba that's really rather small and plays best with mouthpieces half way between euphonium and traditional tuba. I'll have to give them a try!
You keep saying weight, but do you mean mass? I could be wrong but I just don't see how the effects of earth's gravitational pull would have any effect on the sound. It does however make sense that amount of matter in the mouthpiece would effect the vibrations passing through it.
Loving your videos! Nice shots of the Charlotte Symphony in action, and also nice to see Greg Black's hands holding all those mouthpieces :D
Thanks so much, Rich! So glad you're enjoying them, I definitely have fun making them. :)
John: I was intrigued by your inclusion of the Curry TF mouthpiece -- because my favorite practice mouthpiece is the Curry 5TF. I purchased this as a practice aid in the hopes of improving my sound using a Bach 5B, but I ended up liking the Curry mouthpiece because of its warmth and better sound at lower volumes. I think the magic is in the larger throat and of course the deep V. Are there other mouthpieces that you have come across that could be an all round mp that has similar characteristics to the Curry TFs without getting heavier in mass? I enjoy your content and insights, by the way.
Thanks for this video Jon. Just want to expand it from blanks to only rim weight. I am using screw rim mouthpieces and lots of different underparts, mostly custom made Toshi, and old Bachs, etc. I have my exact rim in multiple weights. Only rim!! And it makes a considerable feel difference.
Great presentation. Very helpful. Thx
I find it interesting how different weights change how the mouthpiece plays. I am mostly a horn player but I play a little jazz on the trumpet. When I talk with trumpet players about different weights they always agree that it can change how it feels and play and even different metals for that matter but when I talk with other horn players they act like it's the most outlandish thing they have ever heard. Posted in a facebook group a side by side comparison of brass vs steel mouthpiece and someone went and slowed it down frame by frame just to look at my lips so they could say that's what the difference was.
Very informative!
I had always perceived the heavier mouthpieces to have less overall projection unless really pushing the volume.
Was there a demo of the Monette mouthpiece and its lighter self (a before and after)?
Another great video Jon! I am having a great time going through your videos during my week off. I have one question - where do you have your mouthpiece blanks altered?
Hey John! Again, very glad you are enjoying my videos. All the blank alterations done in this video were by Greg Black, and he did them expertly. Another person who does this kind of work is Matt Frost at Frost Custom Brass. I think sometimes blank alterations can be a slightly touchy subject because they are considered the “calling card” for a particular brand, but certainly I meant no disrespect to any of the mouthpiece makers whose pieces I had modified - just wanted to experiment in the name of science and trumpet geekdom!
Thanks, I like how you explain the affects.. a very informative and useful video
Thanks for this, very interesting and illuminating.
This was a fun one to make! Vennture and I did a similar experiment in a recent video, but with a custom 1.77lb mouthpiece we called the Gigatone!
I really like your commentary. You manage to bring some objectivity to topics that are typically very subjective. Thanks and I hope you continue.
Thank you very much, Curtis! Glad you like what I'm trying to do. I agree that these topics are often covered in a subjective way and part of my mission is, as you said, to bring some objectivity to these conversations. I appreciate your support!
Thanks again, Jon. Very informative, as usual!
Super interesting - thanks!
Great and very informative video. Thanks
Love your videos, Jon. Do you have any first-hand experience with the Yamaha GP series? I've been playing a Bach 1C for many years but wanted to experiment with a different timbre while keeping the dimensions somewhat similar. I took the plunge and ordered a Yamaha 17C4-GP in hopes of improving my core sound and perhaps darkening the tone slightly. I play a Bach 18077 so many aspects of my trumpet are lightweight in nature. Thanks for any thoughts.
Hey Jon. I'm curious how the mouthpiece gap (between the end of the shank and the beginning of the leadpipe: internal gap) factors into your observation of the slotting for heavy versus light mpcs.
Very interesting discussion. I wanted your opinion on the gold finish mouthpieces. What advantages do you get over the same silver version? For example, if I were to change my Denis Wick 3C American Classic silver mouthpiece for the Gold version, would I have any advantages? Thanks for your very interesting videos.
In my opinion the only thing that's likely to be different if you go to the gold plate is that the "grip" of the mouthpiece would decrease, making the surface more slippery on the chops. For some people that's preferred, for others, not. The only way to find out is to try yourself!
Thanks for the detailed info
Jon is my favorite nerd!!!
I'm honored, Cliff! Thanks for your support!
Hi Jon. Thanks for the great videos. Other than looks, how did the Stork play and sound when the blank was similar to a Bach?
Hi William! The changes were in line with what I describe in the video as being the major changes between various weights. I just did not demonstrate it because I don’t have the same mouthpiece in the original blank to compare it to - so any “comparison” would’ve been subjective at best. Glad you enjoy the videos - I certainly enjoy making them!
Thanks for the great videos, Jon! In your professional opinion, do you think that the issue of blending with a section with contrasting mouthpiece blanks could play a factor in an audition/section round (such as using GR or Stork next to somebody with a Bach piece), or is it much more a matter of fine-tuning the day-to-day job of playing in a section?
Hey Charlie! Glad you enjoy my videos. I think the most important thing in both situations is probably the overall weight of the blank being in the same ballpark, which will give you and the section you’re playing with a similar amount of feedback and make it easier hear yourself fitting into their sound. I would need to do some more experimenting to see if similar weight but different shape blanks truly have different playing characteristics independent of the internal mouthpiece design (such as a Bach vs a Stork).
Fascinating!
Glad you think so! I certainly do!
a very interesting vid. confirms my own observations. for the Bach, I do prefer the 'standard' age-old mp for tone and playability. but the newer heavy ones give a nice counter weight, so the horn balances better in my hands. pros and cons. also, one technical comment: trumpets produce harmonics, not overtones.
Love your videos!
So glad you're enjoying them, Ben! More nerdy stuff to come!
Merci beaucoup !!!!!
Does Vennture deal with trombone mouthpiece sizes ?
I have a Marcinkiewicz Model 107 Bass Trombone mouthpiece that I would like to have a narrower throat, like that of a Bach 5G.
Yes! Vennture can do trumpet, trombone, horn, tuba, and anything in between!
@@JonTalksTrumpet In between?! Yay! I've got an F tuba that's really rather small and plays best with mouthpieces half way between euphonium and traditional tuba. I'll have to give them a try!
@@seth094978What kinda F tuba you got?
I bought a Bach 10 3/4 CW. I find it easier on my 68 year old lips
I’m so glad you found something that works better for you! Have fun!
You keep saying weight, but do you mean mass? I could be wrong but I just don't see how the effects of earth's gravitational pull would have any effect on the sound. It does however make sense that amount of matter in the mouthpiece would effect the vibrations passing through it.
So apparently I really like the sound of lightweight mouthpieces. Hmm.
Me playing a stock Bach 5C watching this 👁💧👄💧👁
Haha!! Welcome to the channel, lots of nerdy trumpet stuff to come!
No!!!! Not a monette:c
I did it so you don't have to!!!
@@JonTalksTrumpet true but still, not the first time harrelson trumpets cut some in half to show their cup design