So miquella used mohg the whole time, got him killed, took his body and desecrated his remains by using them to resurrect radahn who it seems had to be forced into this transaction considering malenia had to kill him in combat and he didn't do this willingly. I wondered why ansbach kept saying mohg will have his dignity. Jesus Christ poor mohg literally got the worst end of the stick.
Mohg the mogh-lester was the one in the end that got mogh-lested..... Tbh thats auch a fun twist for the whole miquella, malenia, radahn and mohg story
Well, I suppose that answers what Radagon is then. I wonder if Trina might one day bloom, kind of like Malenia is supposed to. Maybe she'll wake up, but then again, maybe she doesn't want to. A sleeping god to oversee a realm of the dead/liminality Edit: Wait a second... St Trina is called Miquella's 'fate' in the trailer right? What if she's always sleeping because fate has been bound by Radahn this whole time? As fate progresses she'll grow. This might actually be an okay end for the Land of Shadow. Miquella- no, st Trina, since she is her own person now, her fate is unbound like Ranni's is. We might actually have kinda fixed things
I though St. Trina would be like a Radagon thing to Marika. But in this case Trina would be Radagon and Miquella would be Marika. Radahn as the endboss is such a dissapoinment. I would prefer a St Trina + Miquella fusion thingy like Marika and Radadon did or just a St Trina bossfight.
@@nightcorewb4949 but the entire reason miquella cast st. trina out was because she opposed his ideas of godhood. she considered it a prison, and so he got rid of her. she even requested you kill him before he could go through with it, why would they ever fuse again?
As stated below, unfortunately she dies once you beat the final boss. When you go back to her location she'll drop a helm (purple flower you wear in your hair) and already be dead, possibly due to us killing her other half.
@@ShardofWant It could mean radahns soul being restored into mohgs body as a vessel. either way I'm disappointed with the direction from took with this
@@ShardofWantkey word there, restored. Godgwyn’s soul died to the rune of death, theres no undoing that besides maybe the eclipse ritual. Radahn’s soul on the other hand, could be restored.
If you wanna avoid having trouble with his summon thing just do his quest before defeating Mesmer and burning the tree, you can then get him to say a-ah without having to burn the tree or defeat Mesmer. Just try to keep talking to him after taking the nectar
St. Trina and Mohg deserved better. I wish there could've be a St Trina ending like Ranni, to kill Miquella and destroy that corpse gate Marika built -- and maybe restore Trina to full glory, but freed from Miquella like Radagon wished to be from Marika. I don't understand why this quest is optional and why Trina's lines are accessible through 4 deaths, something so important for the main quest is practically a secret, like easter eggs, to players.
I think shes miquellas female half like radagon and marika and he abandonded her as part of his path to achieve godhood she was his part who did not want that
@@葡萄苏打 Well, how did Marika come to have Radagon? How can your 'other half' to whom you are identical become separate without you also dying? So much left unspoken...
This will quest is probably adjacent to Ranni’s in the sense that we need to complete it first and exhaust all the dialogue options to get the “Good” ending
It is miserable without summons , i fucked up didn’t see half the npc’s throughout the main quest, so i basically have to fight radan by myself or with a mimic tear that only fights if im within 5 feet of it
So there aren’t really alternative endings, just adjacent quest lines to the main quest line? This dlc is good content-wise but they totally dropped the ball with the story. Why tf is Radahn here, wtf?
I did Radahn and Miquella without any help or cheese and it nearly made me threw up on how much of a effin cheat that fight felt to me. Seeing you summon super tanky lads and your mimic tear and destroying him without any problems is hilarious. You freakin skipped his meteor smash ffs 😂
What happens if u speak to thollier ane he says he will check the cwrulean coast before youve defeated tbe putrescent knight? Will he doe or end up where st trina is
I followed all the steps, but when i go to the tree, it just says “The sealing tree obscures the tower in shadow. It cannot be burned without Messsmer’s kindling”
I remember that St. Trina is treated as Miquella's fate/destiny, and she's all about dreams and death. I wonder why we couldn't have accompanied her to separate from Miquella as Radagon wanted to do with Marika, and she could have helped change Godwyn's fate, there was a death bed companion who was killed, Fia, who could have helped Godwyn in some way and St. Trina could have done even more about him and all that business of a true death. Melina could have made an appearance too. The DLC seems unfinished af :/
So i drank it something like 7 times before meeting the other npc, i just went to the grace where that npc is supposed to be but there isn't anybody, do you have any suggestions??
Does anyone know what the black syrup is used for in his quest? I'm at the beginning of his quest, just after finding St Trina and then talking to him, there's an option to give him the black syrup that I got from Moore but idk what it does
DO NOT FIGHT THE LAST BOSS WITH THE TWO SUMMONS HERE. The health SCALES! I used solely Rot Breath and the medallion that boost dragon breaths and together with the Mimic it went down.
So I completely all the steps and didn't St Trina necter 6 times now I can summon he for the multiple npc final battle and rahadn final boss fight I need help what did I do wrong
Miquella. She thinks because Miquella is so kind and compassionate that he takes all the responsiblity of making the world a better place upon his shoulders, even for those who can't be saved. She says that being such a god is too sad of an existence for Miquella
@@honsai7409 not really he is perfectly willing to deceive and mind control people like with mogh and all those followers so his kindness is dubious at best
@@colorpg152 The only person he ever f*cked-over was Mohg, who kind of deserved if we think of all the sh*t Mohg has done. And yeah, he used entachment on some of his followers but that dissolved after a few fights and most of them still followed him because they were aware of Miquella's good intentions and what he was trying to achieve. Aside from Mohg, he helped every person he met who was suffering. He deployed some questionable methods a few times, the ones you named, but his endgoal would be the best thing ever for the world of the Elden Ring and genuinely came from a place of absolute kindness, which St. Trina calls it as too much of a burden and a cage
@@honsai7409 you are gullible and naive if you blindly take what anyone says at face value, do you think he would name it the age of lies or the age of mind control, you are projecting even his other half tell you to off him.
@@colorpg152 I think you are the one projecting here. I don't take anything at face value, I interpret things based on what has been established. Throughout the base game and the DLC, Miquella didn't harm anyone except Mohg, helped literally every person suffering aroud him, tried to create a home for the low and the meek, tried to mend his mother's mistakes even though that wasn't responsibility in the slightest. All his motives and actions are nothing but altruistic. Him employing a few questionable methods for his endgoal doesn't erase or invalidate any of these deeds. You are looking at him with clearly biased lens. Everything that Miquella has done and would do speak for him. Leda even suggests that the reason he used entachment upon his followers is because otherwise they would constantly be on eachother's throats due to the fire of revenge that ingulfs them. Even his other half, who he disgarded mind you, speaks for him in a tragic way who tries to save those that can't be saved, and dooming himself into a sad existence due to his kindness. I think you should set aside your biases and pre-conceptions regarding him and have a more nuanced regard of his character with keeping what has been established about him in mind
Imbibe the nectar 4 times... who the fuck would know to do that without a guide? I swear, From Software are great at gameplay but terrible at making quests.
@@Schizoid420 if your not sure if you're okay mentally/physically then maybe it's time to go seek out a doctor/therapist and have them check you over just to be safe your well-being is important bro stay safe 🙏
@@nightcorewb4949 from what I’ve understood from the ansbach character is that miquela is using moghs soul and radahn’s body, ( radahn and miquela were apparently a thing💀) and that pretty much miquela could’ve been manipulating mogh this entire time… idk but that’s kinda what I understood
No he isn’t gay. It was forced. Think of miquella like Griffith and radahn as guts. It’s clearly very non consensual. Once again blonde people forcing themselves on others
No. Radahn wanted none of that. Infact he did not even want to die. Being a consort is not about love, not about marriage, think of it like this. In Miquella’s new order, Radahn would be what godfrey or Placidussax were. Elden lord.
So miquella used mohg the whole time, got him killed, took his body and desecrated his remains by using them to resurrect radahn who it seems had to be forced into this transaction considering malenia had to kill him in combat and he didn't do this willingly. I wondered why ansbach kept saying mohg will have his dignity. Jesus Christ poor mohg literally got the worst end of the stick.
No, apparently they are both gay and are into this. Make sense why Radahn was cockblocking Ranni too.
Mohg the mogh-lester was the one in the end that got mogh-lested..... Tbh thats auch a fun twist for the whole miquella, malenia, radahn and mohg story
"poor mohg" that mf was a pdf file
@@duen-wayneogilvie5223 really not considering the new lore
@@duen-wayneogilvie5223read again bucko, he was forced by a child to be a pdf
Well, I suppose that answers what Radagon is then. I wonder if Trina might one day bloom, kind of like Malenia is supposed to. Maybe she'll wake up, but then again, maybe she doesn't want to. A sleeping god to oversee a realm of the dead/liminality
Edit: Wait a second... St Trina is called Miquella's 'fate' in the trailer right? What if she's always sleeping because fate has been bound by Radahn this whole time? As fate progresses she'll grow. This might actually be an okay end for the Land of Shadow. Miquella- no, st Trina, since she is her own person now, her fate is unbound like Ranni's is. We might actually have kinda fixed things
I think she dies
I though St. Trina would be like a Radagon thing to Marika. But in this case Trina would be Radagon and Miquella would be Marika. Radahn as the endboss is such a dissapoinment. I would prefer a St Trina + Miquella fusion thingy like Marika and Radadon did or just a St Trina bossfight.
@@nightcorewb4949 but the entire reason miquella cast st. trina out was because she opposed his ideas of godhood. she considered it a prison, and so he got rid of her. she even requested you kill him before he could go through with it, why would they ever fuse again?
As stated below, unfortunately she dies once you beat the final boss. When you go back to her location she'll drop a helm (purple flower you wear in your hair) and already be dead, possibly due to us killing her other half.
The DLC says a couple times that Miquella has decided to sacrifice away St Trina.
I really wish we could've seen more from Godwyn. Perhaps aid Miquella in his Eclipse and have him die a true death as Miquella intended?
anything wouldve been better then radahn
@@toji6476considering Miquella states soul restored it seems like it was meant to be Godwyn
Definitely shoulda been Godwyn. I wanna fight the man who brought down that monster in Leyndell
@@ShardofWant It could mean radahns soul being restored into mohgs body as a vessel. either way I'm disappointed with the direction from took with this
@@ShardofWantkey word there, restored. Godgwyn’s soul died to the rune of death, theres no undoing that besides maybe the eclipse ritual.
Radahn’s soul on the other hand, could be restored.
You have to die that many times?! Without these guides i wouldnt be able to complete this
i got that i had to rest 3 times to talk to thoillier but i didnt know i had to die to st trina that many times to progress the quest lol
99.9% of humanity couldn't they have to be breaking into the source code of this game to gwt these things figured out
The quest with the priest and the knight and the fingers would be impossible for me to figure out ever
PowerPyx to the rescue as always
If you wanna avoid having trouble with his summon thing just do his quest before defeating Mesmer and burning the tree, you can then get him to say a-ah without having to burn the tree or defeat Mesmer. Just try to keep talking to him after taking the nectar
St. Trina and Mohg deserved better.
I wish there could've be a St Trina ending like Ranni, to kill Miquella and destroy that corpse gate Marika built -- and maybe restore Trina to full glory, but freed from Miquella like Radagon wished to be from Marika. I don't understand why this quest is optional and why Trina's lines are accessible through 4 deaths, something so important for the main quest is practically a secret, like easter eggs, to players.
I cannot find thioler
You already burned the thorns?
@raegatan2110 yeah but I finished the DLC in NG +
@@mehmetkoyuncuoglu1647 That explains why you didnt see him 😭 you have to do the quest before killing miquella and radahn or even burning the tree 😭
So, how did she end up a flower.... Poor Trina..
I think shes miquellas female half like radagon and marika and he abandonded her as part of his path to achieve godhood she was his part who did not want that
@@ebbtide4233 How does Miquella have a female half? Other empyreans don't seem to.
@@TheEternalClown think about marika ：）
@@葡萄苏打 Well, how did Marika come to have Radagon? How can your 'other half' to whom you are identical become separate without you also dying? So much left unspoken...
@@TheEternalClown idk miquella was always kinda special
Bruh I pumped through the bosses without realising it makes quests unavailable am I cooked? Lmao
Play it how you want bro
Same 😔
same happened to me
i’m saying i gotta do this again on ng+5 😅
It's been like that since fromsoftware started pumping out games
i imbued the nectar 3 times and assumed somesthing is gonna happen after killing miquella, only for the quest to end prematurely.
What i want to know is if she's still alive after finishing the quest and defeating Miquella. Can someone check?
I heard there's a st. Trina Bossfight so it might be after all that
This will quest is probably adjacent to Ranni’s in the sense that we need to complete it first and exhaust all the dialogue options to get the “Good” ending
killed miquella，she will die
@@葡萄苏打 are you guessing or did you do her questline, defeated Radahn and them check?
@@brenoanselmo9563
Checked after killed Radahn
he helped me in the boss battle
That boss looks insane with no summons
Hits like a truck too
@@mrsgamer9218everything in this dlc hits like a truck 😭
It is miserable without summons , i fucked up didn’t see half the npc’s throughout the main quest, so i basically have to fight radan by myself or with a mimic tear that only fights if im within 5 feet of it
I spoke to him before and now I literally cant find him anywhere because I spoke to him before beating the boss
I did the same heres still there for me
Same :/
Did you find him or no? Because this just happened to me I can’t find him but she still speaks to me after the 4th time but I can’t speak back to him
If you speak to him before killing the boss you can summon him in the boss arena
@@amirrezahidari5244 Huh? How
You can start this quest after burning the tree and ledas invasion finished
Though you cant get the summon so not much of a point
how
Can this quest be completed at any time or will it go away at a certain point?
So there aren’t really alternative endings, just adjacent quest lines to the main quest line? This dlc is good content-wise but they totally dropped the ball with the story. Why tf is Radahn here, wtf?
Learn why
I don't understand why either TwT like it makes zero sense cor Miquella to choose Radahn
Shut up @@Crumbia
I thought he’d bring godwyn back…. Don’t think I’ve seen anyone predict this ending either it’s really fuckin random and deflating
@@possiblymaybe6711 it’s not random if you follow the story
I went down the fissure but there was a golden gate blocking the path. Does anyone know what do I need to do to open the path?
Explore more. There will be an event where Miquellas Rune will break
If you go to Shadow Keep (Messmer Castle) just before entering the castle gates go left and you will get a message that a rune broke.
@@Aratovi Ah thanks, I turned back at the entrance and went to explore the world, that's why
what if thiollier is not there on step 2?
You killed him, when you fought the three people and that stuff, happened to me too, we have to do radahn solo
@@rogbittiedamn
@@AlphaStreams shits tragic, I ain’t never beating it
@@rogbittieFuuuuuuuck, radahn aint happining
@@Eren09-11 nope
Make sure you go back to St Trina after the boss
Can you still continue the quest after you’ve burned the tree?
i dobt think so i cant do that ;-;
I did Radahn and Miquella without any help or cheese and it nearly made me threw up on how much of a effin cheat that fight felt to me. Seeing you summon super tanky lads and your mimic tear and destroying him without any problems is hilarious. You freakin skipped his meteor smash ffs 😂
What happens if u speak to thollier ane he says he will check the cwrulean coast before youve defeated tbe putrescent knight? Will he doe or end up where st trina is
I did same thing and found Trina left to the grace Thoillier was and returned after a few tries he appears by St. Trina
I do the same, let me know if you know where he is
@@Gyro_Sama_ He returned to where St. Trina was after I went back to grace he was originally at and then back to St. Trina and he was there
I followed all the steps, but when i go to the tree, it just says “The sealing tree obscures the tower in shadow. It cannot be burned without Messsmer’s kindling”
I remember that St. Trina is treated as Miquella's fate/destiny, and she's all about dreams and death. I wonder why we couldn't have accompanied her to separate from Miquella as Radagon wanted to do with Marika, and she could have helped change Godwyn's fate, there was a death bed companion who was killed, Fia, who could have helped Godwyn in some way and St. Trina could have done even more about him and all that business of a true death. Melina could have made an appearance too. The DLC seems unfinished af :/
can i do this quest after i have killed leda and her allise?
You can skip step 2 and 3.
Thiollier bugged and now he legit won’t move or enter the boss room…
So i drank it something like 7 times before meeting the other npc, i just went to the grace where that npc is supposed to be but there isn't anybody, do you have any suggestions??
Do quests interfere each other or it doesn't matter?
Does anyone know what the black syrup is used for in his quest? I'm at the beginning of his quest, just after finding St Trina and then talking to him, there's an option to give him the black syrup that I got from Moore but idk what it does
If you give the syrup to Thiollier he will make “thiollier's concoction", which can be used to put the dragon priestess to sleep
@@3tienne858 thx
I have to ask how the hell did you find out you needed to die 4 times?
Just kept doing it that's how i found out anyway just here to check if i missed any steps in the quest but i got all of it right luckily
@@thedarkderp2520 you have my respect I would of quit after I died once
In what world a person tries 4 times dying in front of this with no reason and I have to understand that I have to repeat each time , so confusing
So u have to bring him in the fight or can I fight without him? To complete the quest
did you figure this out?
@@Lyre-Liar ye he dead ahell on the floor I didn’t bring him
Trina is just sleeping you can see her in the flower
Can you complete this quest after burning the sealing tree? I cannot find Thiollier. Is he hiding somewhere else?
I don't see a way to get down there to that map for st Trina. How does one go down?
There should be some stones which you can jump down, they should be near a few grey little things.
Anyone able to give a list of missable quests and items/incants i really dont wanna miss anything 😂
Thiollier is not in the first location wtf, did i ruined the quest because i defeated messmer already??
after I beat messmer, and burnt the three, Thioller wasn't there, and he isn't at Leda either, what should I do?
Cry
Does anyone have a list of quests that end after you burn the tree? Just wanna make sure im not forgetting anyone
Do you have to summon them for the final fight to get their gear? I really wanted to do the radahn fight solo
Just do it in ng+ i also fight radhan solo, since i play it blind on my first playthrough. And i missed a lot of quest because of that
@@caroletuesday8862 yeah I’ll prolly do that. Thanks
I just beat the boss on normal ng with out summoning him and still got his stuff.
@@Voidling9545 good to know. Thanks!
DO NOT FIGHT THE LAST BOSS WITH THE TWO SUMMONS HERE. The health SCALES! I used solely Rot Breath and the medallion that boost dragon breaths and together with the Mimic it went down.
Like i wanna fight a buffed version of already the hardest boss in souls.
@@chriscofer6780 Radahn isn't so bad
Do they give their items if you dont summon them?
@@lotheravanti4295 cap
@@nassdoss3653 yes
So if I start doing his quest line after I beat Leda and now he’s gone can I still do his quest line?
You can still get her dialogue but he’ll be absent
Thiollier just isn't at st trina after I burned the tree
TIP: if you go back to st trina you'll get a reward
I can’t find broiler on the map. I’m at the final boss, have I gone too far?
Bro, I don’t know I was doing the quest and more disappeared. I don’t know where he is. Can I still do it?
What about the item st Trina drops, what to do with it?
Miquella is Griffith
So I completely all the steps and didn't St Trina necter 6 times now I can summon he for the multiple npc final battle and rahadn final boss fight I need help what did I do wrong
Poor thing means Radahn or Miquella?
Miquella. She thinks because Miquella is so kind and compassionate that he takes all the responsiblity of making the world a better place upon his shoulders, even for those who can't be saved. She says that being such a god is too sad of an existence for Miquella
@@honsai7409 not really he is perfectly willing to deceive and mind control people like with mogh and all those followers so his kindness is dubious at best
@@colorpg152 The only person he ever f*cked-over was Mohg, who kind of deserved if we think of all the sh*t Mohg has done. And yeah, he used entachment on some of his followers but that dissolved after a few fights and most of them still followed him because they were aware of Miquella's good intentions and what he was trying to achieve. Aside from Mohg, he helped every person he met who was suffering. He deployed some questionable methods a few times, the ones you named, but his endgoal would be the best thing ever for the world of the Elden Ring and genuinely came from a place of absolute kindness, which St. Trina calls it as too much of a burden and a cage
@@honsai7409 you are gullible and naive if you blindly take what anyone says at face value, do you think he would name it the age of lies or the age of mind control, you are projecting even his other half tell you to off him.
@@colorpg152 I think you are the one projecting here. I don't take anything at face value, I interpret things based on what has been established. Throughout the base game and the DLC, Miquella didn't harm anyone except Mohg, helped literally every person suffering aroud him, tried to create a home for the low and the meek, tried to mend his mother's mistakes even though that wasn't responsibility in the slightest. All his motives and actions are nothing but altruistic. Him employing a few questionable methods for his endgoal doesn't erase or invalidate any of these deeds. You are looking at him with clearly biased lens. Everything that Miquella has done and would do speak for him. Leda even suggests that the reason he used entachment upon his followers is because otherwise they would constantly be on eachother's throats due to the fire of revenge that ingulfs them. Even his other half, who he disgarded mind you, speaks for him in a tragic way who tries to save those that can't be saved, and dooming himself into a sad existence due to his kindness. I think you should set aside your biases and pre-conceptions regarding him and have a more nuanced regard of his character with keeping what has been established about him in mind
This is actually BS, I thought the burning tree was a point of no return, but no, I had to come back here. Now I have no summon for that gank fight
can i do this quest after reaching the final boss ?
after killing the NPCs ?
Nope, might aswell restart if your stuck on the final boss.
Does anyone know what to do what the flower? After u kill miquella
Damn I already killed Leda 😭
Imbibe the nectar 4 times... who the fuck would know to do that without a guide? I swear, From Software are great at gameplay but terrible at making quests.
after u kill radahn, saint trina dont speak to you again?
If ur talking about prime radahn then yes, since St Trina was apart of Miquella, she died along us killing Miquella and his consort radahn
Can you summon thollier to fight the putrescent knight?
Yes, you gotta talk to him until he says he’s going south. If he doesn’t say that rest at a grace or play the game a bit more, until he does.
I deadass just replied to myself
@@Schizoid420bro you good? 😂
@@thornyduck I’m not sure to be real
@@Schizoid420 if your not sure if you're okay mentally/physically then maybe it's time to go seek out a doctor/therapist and have them check you over just to be safe your well-being is important bro stay safe 🙏
i beat the first boss and i cant speak to st trina?
I spawn thiollier And it doesn't move
Does anyone have thoillers armor, i messed up 😭
Bro i did this fight multiplayer becouse it is more fun that way and i coudn't get thoilers stuff
See I got something different I got St trinas blossom
i did all steps but until 9 i fight leda before watching the video and didnt talk to her lol all wasted
Wait so that’s not radahn?
Some people are saying that is Mogh in Radahn's body or Radahn in Mogh's body idk anymore.
@@nightcorewb4949 from what I’ve understood from the ansbach character is that miquela is using moghs soul and radahn’s body, ( radahn and miquela were apparently a thing💀) and that pretty much miquela could’ve been manipulating mogh this entire time… idk but that’s kinda what I understood
@@manuellopez22*mohg’s body and radahn’s soul
what do u do if hit them i did a aow and i didnt know i hit her so what do i do now
Rule no 1 when play "from software" games never attack NPC 😂
You go into ng+ 8D
Presumably, Celestial Dew absolution w/ turtle pope still works. Try that and come back.
@@rinzler168 It let me go and do the quest fine u can hit them and do the quest as well
How do i burn the tree ? With what
You need to kill Messmer
A lighter
That's odd. My version of that is a female voice talkin to my character 🤔
sooooo Radahn is gay? didn't see that coming
He a bussy bandit fr
No he isn’t gay. It was forced. Think of miquella like Griffith and radahn as guts. It’s clearly very non consensual. Once again blonde people forcing themselves on others
No. Radahn wanted none of that. Infact he did not even want to die. Being a consort is not about love, not about marriage, think of it like this. In Miquella’s new order, Radahn would be what godfrey or Placidussax were. Elden lord.
@@cantaro5958 yes but everyone always jumps too marriage. Which isn’t the case.
@@cantaro5958how do u know what he wanted lol. He might be into it
Man the lore and the questline endings suck assssss
Yeah, I tried for the first 5 hours to not kill any mayor boss and somehow questlines get wreck over, pure bulsht lmao
let me guess before I watch, another npc questline with a sad ending zzzzzzzz
you sound like you’re complaining that mario has jumps and saving the day