Reaction To Jan Böhmermann - das Erdogan Gedicht | German Satire

Reaction To Jan Böhmermann - das Erdogan Gedicht (The Erdogan Poem) | German Satire and Comedy
This is my reaction to Jan Böhmermann - The Erdogan Poem | German Satire and Comedy
In this video I react to German satire artist Jan Böhmermann and his video The Erdogan Poem (das Erdogan Gedicht) which was created in response to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan being upset at the song - Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdogan created by German TV show extra 3
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[@FlowDefoe]

it's important to know that Jan, prior to reading the poem, explains the difference between free speech and slander and says he will now, as an example, read a text (which was not from him originally) that would "not" be covered by these freedoms. Emphasising a few times that the following is hypothetical. Obviously the entire piece was aimed at "freedom of arts", which are defended very strongly in german courts due to our history. As you can read in other comments it sparked a month-long national debate and a partly censorship of the poem. There's more to it, even Angela Merkel was involved at some point and a strange law that's older than the 3rd Reich. It's worth googling.

[@chemistry4221]

That Poem was such a big thing xD

[@chaosjoerg9811]

Having the poem quoted without context is like listening to the punch line of a joke without listening to the joke first.

[@Medley3000]

My favorite anecdote about it is this: The German Bundestag (House of Commonns) discussed the case and the criminal paragraph Böhmermann mentioned about it. During the debate, the MP Detlef Seif quoted the poem in full to inform, as he said, all the MPs. Well, a verbatim record is made of every session of the Bundestag, typed on paper and archived forever in the Federal Archives. I.e. the poem can now be read forever. This is the best memory of Mr. Erdogan ever! 🤩

[@ivomusician]

Jan Böhmerman is a treasure!

[@chcucivtxzclccucifudohzfu6766]

The poem was created to show what satire isn’t allowed to say. Since Erdogan went crazy on the song which is guaranteed via freedom of speech Böhmermann created the poem to give an example on what isn’t guaranteed via freedom of speech. It became a court case and Böhmermann claimed it had to be understood as a piece of art in its context which the court followed by the most part. But it also ruled it’s illegal to repeat the poem as any repetition would lack the informing context and would just be straight insults.

[@nicodiangelo1168]

Erdogan Said that the song by Extra3 was illegal which it isn’t in Germany with press freedom. Then Jan Böhmermann wrote this poem to „show“ Erdogan what would actually be illegal in Germany. In Germany it is actually forbidden to this day because it is ruled to be insulting and untrue

[@Phantom-mg5cg]

Erdogan increased Böhmermsnn‘s popularity in Germany by a lot.

[@fabian5549]

The poem was also against the German Government. There was a deal between Germany and turekey. Turkey gets money for "taking care of the refugee-problem" and not letting them to Germany. Many people argued afterwards Germany is blackmailable because of it. The reaction to the extra 3 song by the german government supported that suspicion. So Böhmermann did that to see what happens... And the hole political landscape discussed it for three weeks.

[@owncreation_noname]

We Germans call him ErDOLF

[@miniaturherkules3848]

FULL CONTEXT HERE:

[@Alias_Anybody]

Böhmermann's point was basically that after Erdogan was really butthurt over the first, arguably super harmless song (in terms of language and insults) he'd show what actually crosses the line from free speech into personal insult territory by German law.

[@fromgermany271]

The song was actually a #3 hit in Germany in 1984 fron Nena. Long ago and people who where young then are now about to retire. It was part of the (outgoing) German New Wave area.

[@alexgibsonde]

This poem was specifically designed to show, what wouldn't be covered by freedom of speech in Germany. So the main point was in the context of that extra3 song: "That is just regular satire and there's nothing you can do about it. Just so you understand, what satire is and isn't allowed to do in Germany I'm showing you an example for something, that wouldn't be allowed." In the video you've watched, there was just the poem, which really doesen't do the whole piece of satire justice. He makes it clear a few times through out the piece, that IF he were to perform a poem like this, that would be illegal. I think he later compared it to what a professor at law school might do, in order to explain the difference betweeen legal satire and actual slander.

[@michaelraasch5496]

Catchy song indeed. This sets me back in time. The original is: NENA | Irgendwie Irgendwo Irgendwann [Official Music Video]

[@Zocktan]

The poem and the introduction go hand in hand, as in the introduction, Böhmermann points out that the poem precisely shows what one must not say. That is the joke of the matter.

[@bema1908]

Even the USA knew about Jan Böhmermann after his "Schmähgedicht". He also wanted to show, that in Germany satire has all freedoms and is not censored - in contrast to Turkey.

[@pascalwolf6132]

A quick recommendation here, if you want to dive deeper in the freedom of speech and the artistic freedom in Germany: "Das ist alles von der Kunstfreiheit gedeckt" by Danger Dan. He and his team sat hours and hours with lawyers before releasing this song, as he wanted to point out and push the boundaries of what can or cannot be said.

[@walterottodr.1064]

This even ended up on the desk of Angela Merkel at the time. Erdogan tryed to force her to take actions against the poem and Böhmermann.

[@lockpickingparamedic2136]

After this "poem" Böhmermann got sued by Erdogan under the german Law of diffirmation of a forein leader. This § got erased after this.