COUNTER QUESTIONS... WOULD YOU PAY MORE FOR A ARTISANAL ICE CREAM OR A INDUSTRIAL ONE? HOW MUCH YOU WOULD PAY FOR A PAINT MADE BY AN ARTIST THAT USED AI TO "HELP" HIM MORE OR LESS THAN A PAINT MADE BY HAND 100% ? IF A DEV USING A TOOL PRODUCES 10 TIMES MORE IN ONE HOUR... HOW MUCH WILL BE HIS SALARY? 10 TIMES MORE? ...NO ...RIGHT? ... THEN ANSWER THIS: IF YOU RAISE A GENERATION OF DEVS THAT DEPENDS ON PAYING TO USE COPILOT TO WORK... THE DAY COPILOT IS NOT WORKING OR IT'S OUTDATED BY A NEW TOOL OR EVEN WORSE IT'S NOT FITTED FOR THE PROBLEM AND YOU NEED REAL ENGINEERING FROM SCRATCH THAT GENERATION OF DEVS WHAT WILL ACHIVE?
@user-lh3xs9km6z those arguments are not much different than arguments we had in the past against Cloud, Java, auto-complete, Internet, and many other advancements. Heck, similar arguments were given by accountants when computers appeared, and general population when industrial revolution happened.
@@DevOpsToolkit none the less ice cream artisanal little shops keep existing... shitting the entire multinational system on their heads...Starbucks failed in Italy because a good coffee is a good coffee and a chemical coffee is a shitty chemical coffee...as long people will not fall for the shit starbucks will not be like mcdonald in europe and I say more precisely in Mediterranean zone since north europe is not good with coffee by definition the drink the whatever ... ;)... people means success by amount of selling only... amount of "productivity" in case of devs AI... but they are forgetting that their jobs "per unit" will be paid less and less then ...it will be the opposite here... customer that understand you use AI will pay less than having a job done by a human brain only ... and we start to see this with big gaming companies vs indies ... they are collapsing... while indies are keeping the industry on... it's not a fact of money it's a fact of culture... big companies hire young dev, exploit them, fire them , devs go indie, loop it... big companies will replace them with AI?...good... who is going to pay 100 euro for an AI game...? where is the justification for 100 euro? ... look AI it's not a tool like a farmer could use a tractor instead of a couple of cows... AI is a tool like the promise that you don't need ground to farm vegetables... you do not meat to eat meat... it's delusional... the fucking taste is not the same, the fucking variety of nutrients is not the same...you can do all the marketing you want people will not pay the same, they expect less because is less... you can win only if you remove the original taste from the market and RAISE A GENERATION THAT DOESN'T KNOW THAT TASTE... cough Microsoft...cough github...cough...copilot...cough... and here the questions to be answered here... this is not the moment in history of passing from horses to cars... it's totally another animal...
For any company with some semblance of opsec it's completely impossible to use any of the integrations beyond the browser.. imagine sending your source code to google or openai all the time.
There are already good coding models that can be hosted locally and integrated with vscode such as codellama. A company with a decent budget can afford to host their own LLM
@@DevOpsToolkit I know that, but as a developer it's fairly difficult to put this into motion (especially in the EU where data protection is very relevant, thankfully). Going the easy route with copilot is usually straight up illegal so it's more like playing public issue tracker with the AI (you can't feed it actual code so always need to anonymize / create a small demo). The cost of self-hosting is still pretty high right now (I don't mean just setting it up, you would literally need to audit the ide plugin and model runtime etc to be really sure) I guess self hosting would be superior anyway because as you mentioned the AI is a junior dev but being able to train on company data means it's not a junior forever and it could improve over time. Chatgpt / bard will be a junior forever because no context of the problem domain
@MR-oy5yt i know it's often not easy, especially in the EU. Also, it's still very early and there is time. The important takeaway is that AI is coming and It will be one of the "big filters" that will cause some companies to flourish and others to disappear. EU needs to grt it's sct together and figure out whether software matters. Right now it is behind big chunk of the world and that is not related to AI.
A comparison would really be interesting (although not sure how could this be done, in order to produce more general and reliable results that are not dependent to our specific prompts ...)
I was thinking about doing that, but I'm not sure how. AI prompts tend to generate different results every time we use them so comparing outputs would be tricky, especially since I'm not sure how to make such a comparison objective. I'll try to figure out a way that is at least partially comparable.
Implemeningh this very example with local running models coulkd be interresting. I've done a few tests with LocalAI which provides an API compatible with OpenAI specs and can run containerized.
@@DevOpsToolkit It's a good project too, there are some good and interesting projects like "llamafile" from Mozilla, I think there are potential, in order to integrate current "standards", workflows, operations (gitops, etc) with practical,, useful AI models/whatever. I'm thinking about dev environments/dev containers which can integrate those tools smoothly and in a declarative fashion, scalable, aand open. Whatever way we can contribute, please let me know :) regards from Chile!
We'll loose some and get other. It's similar to what happened many times before. A new tool is introduced. Some things are made easier. Some people learned how to use it better then others. The end results improved. People have been asking those same questions when industrial revolution started, when computers were introduced, when internet came along, etc. Some of us will benefit from it, and others will loose. Some will apart and others won't.
@@DevOpsToolkitI also work in the industry and I can tell you the goal at my company is to write better code and less of it. I think you are overlooking the fact that AI capabilities are increasing at an exponential rate. I believe Ops, Networking and security roles will be the most impacted in the near term but developer will be hit soon as well. I predict a 25% reduction in developer roles in the next 5 years.
@TheDoughGetta you might be right. We'll see... If you are right, that means that it is even more important to jump into the bandwagon so that you don't end up among those 25%. If i am right, roles will change for sure, and those who adapt will prevail (as it was always the case).
@@DevOpsToolkitNot trying to be Mr. Doom and Gloom but I have spent the better part of the past year studying AI specifically Generative AI and what I am seeing is undeniable. The pace of innovation is unlike anything I have ever seen. Once AGI is generally available it’s pretty much all over. www.artificial-intelligence.community/uploads/db8094/original/1X/5aecb4a86d6dc52166cf6a1de8dc7ca57798b166.png
Bro your a good researcher I like your videos on how you opinions on k8s tools . AI will replace is a fact why try to complicate that simply ? You don't know that because you don't try to find a job . find a job and then say here
I've been changing jobs quite frequently and, in quite a few cases, I was hiring. For now, I haven't seen or heard of a single case where a person was replaced by AI nor I heard plans to do that in the future. What I did hear (and see) is people being hired to work on AI and people being more productive by using AI.
Will AI replace you?
COUNTER QUESTIONS... WOULD YOU PAY MORE FOR A ARTISANAL ICE CREAM OR A INDUSTRIAL ONE? HOW MUCH YOU WOULD PAY FOR A PAINT MADE BY AN ARTIST THAT USED AI TO "HELP" HIM MORE OR LESS THAN A PAINT MADE BY HAND 100% ? IF A DEV USING A TOOL PRODUCES 10 TIMES MORE IN ONE HOUR... HOW MUCH WILL BE HIS SALARY? 10 TIMES MORE? ...NO ...RIGHT? ... THEN ANSWER THIS: IF YOU RAISE A GENERATION OF DEVS THAT DEPENDS ON PAYING TO USE COPILOT TO WORK... THE DAY COPILOT IS NOT WORKING OR IT'S OUTDATED BY A NEW TOOL OR EVEN WORSE IT'S NOT FITTED FOR THE PROBLEM AND YOU NEED REAL ENGINEERING FROM SCRATCH THAT GENERATION OF DEVS WHAT WILL ACHIVE?
@user-lh3xs9km6z those arguments are not much different than arguments we had in the past against Cloud, Java, auto-complete, Internet, and many other advancements. Heck, similar arguments were given by accountants when computers appeared, and general population when industrial revolution happened.
@@DevOpsToolkit none the less ice cream artisanal little shops keep existing... shitting the entire multinational system on their heads...Starbucks failed in Italy because a good coffee is a good coffee and a chemical coffee is a shitty chemical coffee...as long people will not fall for the shit starbucks will not be like mcdonald in europe and I say more precisely in Mediterranean zone since north europe is not good with coffee by definition the drink the whatever ... ;)... people means success by amount of selling only... amount of "productivity" in case of devs AI... but they are forgetting that their jobs "per unit" will be paid less and less then ...it will be the opposite here... customer that understand you use AI will pay less than having a job done by a human brain only ... and we start to see this with big gaming companies vs indies ... they are collapsing... while indies are keeping the industry on... it's not a fact of money it's a fact of culture... big companies hire young dev, exploit them, fire them , devs go indie, loop it... big companies will replace them with AI?...good... who is going to pay 100 euro for an AI game...? where is the justification for 100 euro? ... look AI it's not a tool like a farmer could use a tractor instead of a couple of cows... AI is a tool like the promise that you don't need ground to farm vegetables... you do not meat to eat meat... it's delusional... the fucking taste is not the same, the fucking variety of nutrients is not the same...you can do all the marketing you want people will not pay the same, they expect less because is less... you can win only if you remove the original taste from the market and RAISE A GENERATION THAT DOESN'T KNOW THAT TASTE... cough Microsoft...cough github...cough...copilot...cough... and here the questions to be answered here... this is not the moment in history of passing from horses to cars... it's totally another animal...
For any company with some semblance of opsec it's completely impossible to use any of the integrations beyond the browser.. imagine sending your source code to google or openai all the time.
There are already good coding models that can be hosted locally and integrated with vscode such as codellama. A company with a decent budget can afford to host their own LLM
@@Helld00d nothing that was mentioned here though and you'd think this would be relevant on a devops channel
You don't have to send your information anywhere. You can run models yourself.
@@DevOpsToolkit I know that, but as a developer it's fairly difficult to put this into motion (especially in the EU where data protection is very relevant, thankfully).
Going the easy route with copilot is usually straight up illegal so it's more like playing public issue tracker with the AI (you can't feed it actual code so always need to anonymize / create a small demo).
The cost of self-hosting is still pretty high right now (I don't mean just setting it up, you would literally need to audit the ide plugin and model runtime etc to be really sure)
I guess self hosting would be superior anyway because as you mentioned the AI is a junior dev but being able to train on company data means it's not a junior forever and it could improve over time. Chatgpt / bard will be a junior forever because no context of the problem domain
@MR-oy5yt i know it's often not easy, especially in the EU. Also, it's still very early and there is time. The important takeaway is that AI is coming and It will be one of the "big filters" that will cause some companies to flourish and others to disappear. EU needs to grt it's sct together and figure out whether software matters. Right now it is behind big chunk of the world and that is not related to AI.
A comparison would really be interesting (although not sure how could this be done, in order to produce more general and reliable results that are not dependent to our specific prompts ...)
I was thinking about doing that, but I'm not sure how. AI prompts tend to generate different results every time we use them so comparing outputs would be tricky, especially since I'm not sure how to make such a comparison objective.
I'll try to figure out a way that is at least partially comparable.
What about AI in DevOps?
DevOps is Dev. Right? That's what distinguishes it from Ops.
Very convincing video !! Planning to use VS Code extension right away 🙂
Supposedly in a decade or two AI will program other AI's to a higher more advanced level without human interaction, thus making humans unnecessary.
If that happens, none of us will have to work and we'll all just enjoy life?
@@DevOpsToolkit Hopefully, but time will tell.
its not real Viktor, video generated by AI, its time to move on the wild island
Implemeningh this very example with local running models coulkd be interresting. I've done a few tests with LocalAI which provides an API compatible with OpenAI specs and can run containerized.
I'll probably male a video about it. In the meantime, check out ollama.
@@DevOpsToolkit It's a good project too, there are some good and interesting projects like "llamafile" from Mozilla, I think there are potential, in order to integrate current "standards", workflows, operations (gitops, etc) with practical,, useful AI models/whatever.
I'm thinking about dev environments/dev containers which can integrate those tools smoothly and in a declarative fashion, scalable, aand open.
Whatever way we can contribute, please let me know :) regards from Chile!
Interested in deeper dive into including AI into our apps!
That's great to hear. I'll start working on it soon.
By time I’m watching this shows how fast things change. Bard is dead and long live Gemini. Gemini ultimate is GA and Gemini 1.5 released.
The co-pilot looks cool but my security senses went ringing when its looking at your code all the time.
Try Ollama (models hosted locally). I believe it has a VS Code plugin as well.
@@DevOpsToolkit Thanks I’ll check it out 👍🏼
@@DevOpsToolkitoee that is really nice with privy
Do you think down the line we'd rely too much on AI and loose our creativity to think and do certain tasks?
We'll loose some and get other. It's similar to what happened many times before. A new tool is introduced. Some things are made easier. Some people learned how to use it better then others. The end results improved. People have been asking those same questions when industrial revolution started, when computers were introduced, when internet came along, etc.
Some of us will benefit from it, and others will loose. Some will apart and others won't.
Loved the interrogation scene 😆
SO MUCH YES !
use it as your personal Hoompa AILoompa 😆
AI will make developers more productive which will reduce the number of developers needed.
...or the same number of developers will do more just as the same number of people in factories produced more when industrial revolution started.
@@DevOpsToolkitI also work in the industry and I can tell you the goal at my company is to write better code and less of it. I think you are overlooking the fact that AI capabilities are increasing at an exponential rate. I believe Ops, Networking and security roles will be the most impacted in the near term but developer will be hit soon as well. I predict a 25% reduction in developer roles in the next 5 years.
@TheDoughGetta you might be right. We'll see... If you are right, that means that it is even more important to jump into the bandwagon so that you don't end up among those 25%.
If i am right, roles will change for sure, and those who adapt will prevail (as it was always the case).
@@DevOpsToolkitNot trying to be Mr. Doom and Gloom but I have spent the better part of the past year studying AI specifically Generative AI and what I am seeing is undeniable. The pace of innovation is unlike anything I have ever seen. Once AGI is generally available it’s pretty much all over.
www.artificial-intelligence.community/uploads/db8094/original/1X/5aecb4a86d6dc52166cf6a1de8dc7ca57798b166.png
Bro your a good researcher I like your videos on how you opinions on k8s tools . AI will replace is a fact why try to complicate that simply ? You don't know that because you don't try to find a job . find a job and then say here
I've been changing jobs quite frequently and, in quite a few cases, I was hiring. For now, I haven't seen or heard of a single case where a person was replaced by AI nor I heard plans to do that in the future. What I did hear (and see) is people being hired to work on AI and people being more productive by using AI.
Your Mom? Sure I guess 😂🎉
Google bard is whack!
It's Viktor, only him can do his hair the way he does :)