I'm not an expert but after analysing this video and all the contents , I cannot say anything because as I said in the beginning I'm not an expert . Thanks !
Well I have to say when I have my cardio day I like to do some functional cardio better than the same incline or row or bike :) What I do simulates cutting wood let's say, and it destroys me and it's fun. Obviously the discussion pertains to strength purposes but it has purpose in cardio workouts.
Define functional training before you start arguing about it. The people who say they are for it and the people who say they are against it are rarely talking about the same thing.
Agreed. This is another crabby exposition by Rippetoe talking about dumb training and calling it functional training. We should all just have beer guts and squat really heavy.
I think this isn't the whole story, just a clip of the whole story. Go here, it explains it in more depth. startingstrength.com/article/functional-training-an-update
I pretty much worshipped Mark and these guys for a long time... I still respect their content, but things changed when I became a firefighter and thought my strength training would be enough. I challenge any SSLP graduate to throw on gear, pack up and walk up a few flights of stairs with 50 feet of hose. You'll realize why "functional training" actually is REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT.
That's what practice is for. Nobody is suggesting you don't practice your sport/job. I think the point being made in this video is that you are better prepared as a firefighter who is generally strong in the big lifts than one who isn't. Would you agree?
@@thissmoothie "with lifting heavy weights, one only learns how to do it slow" I rather prefer a fast firefighter with good endurance then any world champion lifter to save me from a burning building.
@@Bard2008 Lifting heavy weights increases your ability to produce force (strength). You can't produce force quickly (speed/power) without having decent strength. Your interpretation is really outdated science. If strength training makes you slow, why do speed based athletes across the world utilise it? Additionally, a firefighter can't save you from a fire if they are too weak to pick you up.
Bard2008 You don’t get to decide what power is. Physics does. Power = force x velocity. Strength is the force component. If you don’t want to do strength training that’s fine but you can’t say it makes you slow if you can’t form a cogent argument.
Don't bash functional training. Watching guys do lunges on a bosu ball with a 5 kg kettlebell in one hand and 10 kg kettlebel in the other is great entertainment for passing time during rest between sets.
10 kg kettlebell? Try 16, and if it's too light, then go for 32. Tell us about your feelings after. Sorry, no lunges and no stupid balls, just basic KB exercises.
@@fsmoura I believe you. I tried much less, maybe 130-150 LBs, and even this was tough. The question is: what for? I see old people, most of them have no big muscle mass, they are pretty small or tall, but almost never fat, not like Rip. So what if you are strong, if you have a metabolic syndrome? I prefer kettlebells and some isolated exercises, just to compensate my sedentary lifestyle hazards.
I did P90X3 and other functional training for almost a year. I practiced speed, I practiced power, I practiced agility, I practiced balance. I gained about 10lbs and stalled out on literally everything after 6 months. I went through starting strength linear progression and then transitioned to the 4-day split. I increased my squat and deadlift by over 200lbs, bench by over 100lbs, press by 80lbs (hard time with press form). Speed came automatically, balance was better than ever, power increased on it's own, and agility came for free. During the 6 months of P90X3, I could have finished an Novice LP. Functional training wasted my time.
You're joking but grab something like a jar with something you wanna mix and shake it, your arms will feel it and your core is gonna automatically brace without you thinking
"Strength is not specific to movement pattern." Ehhh, it kind of is. That's why you list three exercises instead of one. Your bench won't help your squat, will it? Different movement, different muscles. Otherwise we could all just do one exercise and become strong all over. That's how it would work if strength were not specific to a movement pattern. "Endurance is not specific to movement pattern, although it is more specific than strength is." Contradiction. If the correlation is zero, then it's zero. Also, if there is no specificity, then something even twice as specific will still have no specificity, because zero multiplied is still zero. Furthermore, it's wrong on the very face of it. If we held a triathlon and didn't tell anybody until the start that we switched out the bicycle portion for wheelchairs, it would shake things up wouldn't it? But not if endurance weren't specific to movement pattern (except it is though). Find some twiggy marathon runner addict and ask her to hold out a weight at arm's length, she won't do it longer than some couch potato who's trained at just that for a month. Cheap speaking trick, throw out hyperbole at the beginning to make people think you've got something new and then proceed with standard material. That's after you use some needlessly technical nomenclature to make yourself sound scientific and then dumb it down more than necessary. "Now physiologic adaptation is not specific to a movement pattern, is it?" [pretends to wait for an answer to his rhetorical question] "'Strong' is not specific to a movement pattern." [Pretends to look disappointed with his audience's miniscule vocabulary, establishing dominance, lol]
Thank you, good point! I also question always measuring strength by the squat, deadlift, and bench press. Nothing magical in those lifts--they just happen to be the three competitive powerlifts.
You can say functional training is not as effective as.. But you can't correctly say functional training doesn't make you stronger. Your quads don't know if you're standing on a balance board they just react to the force and effort applied to them
You can't lift as much while on a balance board. More weight = More effort applied. Yes, your quads DO "know" when they're trying to balance with sub-max resistance instead of applying force to progressively greater max resistances. You can begin so weak that you're squatting an empty bar, but be squatting almost 400 lbs in one year. You'll NEVER see that with functional training.
My wife isn't crazy about me using her body to do bench presses in the morning. But the fact of the matter is that you can pick up either girls or women once you've mastered the bench press.
@@mxs4193 I'll take a good looking body over an ugly strongman body any day. You go be a human car jack and lift some car looking like a goofy dumbass infront of girls, while I take off my shirt at the beach and have the entire beach turn their heads towards me and the girls all wet.
Elite basketball players use sometimes heavier basketball for dribbling (a.k.a skills). It's not really black and white. Pull-ups are also a skill, you need to learn to control your scapulas and also do strength training but also control the body a.k.a functional training to be able to pull CLEAN. You can also attain this strength very well by deadlifting thus still need to do Pull-ups for the proper movement patterns to develop. Body awareness is also something that comes from functional training. I have seen it myself and with my clients that they tend to move better at their specific movement patterns (sports) when introducing functional training in their training regimen. It's all about the understanding of human physiology, movement and control in an environment. This is called athleticism and the more developed athleticism in various ways, the better control and connection in Any movement pattern whatsoever. My take after 20 years of playing, training and coaching. Anyways, some good points on this video still. :)
Run this video past the kettlebell snatch world champion. See if he/she thinks strength and skill isn’t in part byproduct of the very same practice & training with the very same equipment they compete with. If it’s not relevant this guy should be able to squat his way to a world title: Do they practice and train with heavier bells.. fkn oath they do. It is also 100% relevant to their performance. Ever wonder why baseballers pick up two or three bats before they step up? To increase reaction time by warming up heavy to make their bat feel light and snappy! As an ex baseball player I can vouch for the benefits and yes we used to cage practice with heavier bats for a range of benefits that included strength specific to the movement.
You need a combination of training. I learned that in wrestling and MMA. Having functional workouts allow us to build mobility and strength without putting on heavy mass. Doing strict weight lifting allows us to build explosive power. Doing both helps us become better athletes.
@@SK-tr1wo I advise you look up how professional boxers and athletes of striking martial arts increase their power. Resistance/weight training is a must.
@@dasdovian7785 Jump roping, running, bag work, medicine ball work, etc... That is literally all you need. Resistance training is excessive and is wasting time that could be used for more effective training.
@@dasdovian7785 I think resistance training that 1-4 reps will slow you down, which is basically power training... while 8+ reps will make you more explosive, but not by that much anyways, genetics play a role, while functional training can increase mobility, strong hips, strength by a lot!
Training needs to be sports specific. Being a power lifter won't turn you into a gymnast or a UFC fighter. However the carry over effects of combining various activities can make a huge difference.
It's a bit more complex. Sports like running, cycling, rowing etc translate better to using weightlifting patterns that mimic the sport because there is little variability in things like motion, terrain in those sports. There is research that shows non similar movement pattern training as related to the applied sport is beneficial. So to just train patterns that seem to apply to the sport is incorrect as a blanket statement. It's actually more or less totally incorrect actually
@@simohayha6031 I'm not sure if that is supposed to be a rhetorical comment and an attempt at sarcasm or not since this is the internet. I'll give you my opinion tho as if you are serious tho. Barbell rows may help but it's probably not a great way to train. In general sports do train by doing the sport or training for what the sport requires. Rowing in your example is also an endurance sport in most cases so I would say weightlifting in general is side training. The main focus of training would be the endurance of those muscle. things like rowing simulation/training equipment and even seated cable rows would be the primary focus id imagine. So do barbell rows help, sure a bit maybe, but it's not the goal of the sport to get big lats or to row whilst standing and bent over. It makes more sense to do cable rows. To be more clear even if you take running and cycling while doing leg presses and all would strengthen the muscles involved but I'd say there are still better resistance training movements than say a leg press. It's far better even in those cases to do cycling or perhaps a climbing machine for resistance training but ig the point is leg presses would help, but not as much as resistance training in the basic motion used in the activity.
Wrong. Powerlifting is a sport, not to be confused with strength training. Every athlete on the planet that strength trains with compound movements will become more explosive so strength training is a must if you want to reach max potential. That said, all athletes must still work on skills separately. If strength training didn't really work in MMA, why do Jon Jones and Khabib mainly focus on getting stronger with barbell movements (squat, bench, deadlift, ohp)? You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
This video made me want to do a heavy one rep max deadlift, then eat pizza and ice cream then go to sleep for 12 hours. Have a big breakfast then go back to sleep
I usually like Rip, but that first statement just seems wrong. Of course adaptation is movement-specific. You get better at deadlifts by practicing deadlifts. You get better at atlas stone carries by carrying atlas stones. Your muscles may not know the difference from a load applied by X or Y, but your ability to actually execute the movement (what I would call "strength") is absolutely dependent on the movement and how much training you have. Of course, most "functional" stuff is nonsense. But if you want to get better at X, you should practice X.
Skill training acclimates the body to apply the strength, gained in basic strength training, to your skill. lncreasing a skill's load confuses the nerve-path. Your point is valid, but only applies to very few exceptions: weightlifting, powerlifting, & strongman, where increasing the load is actually part of the sport.
I agree! If I don't train my arms and only squat, they won't get stronger! That's why we train compound lifts, so as many muscle groups as possible are trained. And of course endurance training causes muscular adaptations! Sure your legs don't get stronger from running, but your heart muscle grows! It's not just chemistry that's 'manipulated'. I agree that strength is a very important part of being healthy, but it's not the only part of the equation and the fact that all of this is presented in such a biased and one-sided way is why I cannot take Rip very seriously anymore. Barbell Medicine and others are much more open.
He didn't say adaptation is not movement specific, just that strength is not movement specific. I don't think his definition of strength and yours is the same. With your definition you can get stronger in a few hours by learning the technique, but your muscles don't change (unless you count microtears, but that is negative) during those few hours. I think Rippetoe's definition is the maximum amount of force a muscle can contract at (so people who lift different amounts of weights can be equally strong but with better/worse technique).
@@Thomas-gj1zn Maximizing potential strength isn't movement-specific, but full use of that increased potential is movement-specific. The full development of strength-skill involves a paradox: The subject must use ever-increasing loads on the big lifts, to develop generic strength, but should only use loads identical to his sport's when rehearsing skills. (ex:Barry Bonds' weight training and extra batting practice.)
Strong actually IS very specific to a movement pattern... A strong squatter isnt always a strong bencher.. A strong deadlifter isnt always a strong squatter.. A strong RFESS'er isnt always a strong squatter.. A strong Pendlay Rower isnt always strong at pullups.. And then theres the argument of Gymnastic strength, Strongman strength, Olympic weightlifting strength. In baseball, unilateral strength work would probably be more appropriate. Now I agree, "functional training" has gotten out of hand, and I'm a firm believe in starting strength for beginners. However, it is possible to make strength training for a sport as specific as possible, and the "Squat, Bench, Deadlift" isn't always the most appropriate.
agreed. I think this whole process or methodology of getting strong can be a never ending black hole of arguments running circles around them. So i think the most simplistic way of getting strong has been boiled down to incorporating 3 main compound movements, maybe even a couple more. Or else your going down a deep rabbit hole running circles around trying to rationalize every single detail, then just sit on the couch and think about it without even working out haha.
Because weight lifting is not just about strength. There is a skill component. That's why there is such a thing as proper and improper technique for each lift. Rippetoe doesn't ever say just get stronger. Pay attention. He says get stronger and practice your sport. He's saying that strength training and practice should be two separate things and you should not try to combine the two into one exercise.
I think he’s right. I wasted time doing “golf specific” training and saw very little improvement in my swing or overall swing speed. I started doing regular strength training and saw massive improvement in my swing speed. My disagreement with him is his calling sports specific training “functional”. It is not functional. Functional training is vertical pushes and pulls, horizontal pushes and rows, squats, and hinge movement patterns, which is basically the same as OH presses, Bench, squat, and DLs he’s talking about. I do this with calisthenics but you can obviously do barbell training as well and make great gains.
I respect Mark, but kind of wish he had gone a little bit more in detail towards the end of his explanation. I used to train at a regular gym, typical bodybuilding program stuff. My numbers were decent in my opinion... 335 back squat, 225 bench press, 365 deadlift... I left that style of training because I wanted to do more so I started crossfit. Thankfully from my prior training I already had a good idea of proper body mechanics and what it meant to lift properly. When I was consistent in crossfit I got leaner, to the point where people could noticeably tell that i was smaller, but yet I got stronger. At my peak my back squat was 405, bench press 265, deadlift 455. And plus I had more endurance. So I wouldn't say functional training is totally worthless ,granted there are some pretty dumb stuff I see on the internet ( weird movements, bad form ect.) But I think with good coaching and proper mechanics, functional training can do a lot of good.
Crossfit isn't "functional training". You got better numbers because you trained those lifts, you got better endurance because you trained your endurance. Crossfit is functional for crossfit.
@@sheadoherty7434 but I must admit. I did not train those lifts as often as I would ag a regular gym. Whole point of crossfit is varied training. So sometimes I could go for a week or two without heavy squats. Granted, the most elite athletes, will train twice or more a day hitting a fundamental lift and then a WOD. But I was able to hit a 405 back squat when my previous PR was 365.
if your theory is correct then the strongest man in the world should also be the fastest man in the world, also able to jump the furthest and also able to throw a ball the furthest... but there isn't because each champion in there chosen sport has functional strength that correlates with the sport, this video was so dumb
The strongest men in the world weigh 400 lbs. This affects other skills, agreed?. Aside from that, superheavyweight Olympic weightlifters CAN jump extraordinarily high:-) / *_'Having'_* functional strength & 'functional strength training' are _two different things_: Having functional strength is the combination of structural strength & skill. Aside from genetic predispositions, these two aspects are trained separately.
I think he needs to clarify what he considers functional training. I consider kettlebells, weighted lunges, tire flips, and the like to be functional training. He seems to be referring to things like pitching with a heavier ball or swinging a heavy bat as a way to get better at those skills. I think he is probably right to say those exercises don't have the intended effect. I see functional training as full-body work, not practicing skills for a sport. I think everybody would agree the exercises I listed are not a waste of time.
Was going to say that bodyweight exercises are good for learning how to move the body powerfully, or that hauling a heavy load upstairs is a good exercise/training for firefighters. The examples Rip chose were a bit cherry-picked. Still, I would like to see a study on guys who throw a 5% heavier ball for a month and see if they throw harder or have thicker tendons/ligaments.
There have been studies. It has no effect. Conversely there has been some studies in near term heavy vs. light training like weighted bats for warmup. Studies did find that using a lighter than regulation bat improved hitting immediately after warm up because it primes the nervous system to fire fast. But again no long term effect on hitting only short term.
I read of a study that had pitchers use slightly heavier baseballs and there was improvement in speed. However, the baseballs were mere ounces heavier, not even close to 5%. Using implements that are too heavy will cause an athlete to use a completely different motor pattern, so for the vast majority of sports, the two factor model of build general strength in the gym and then practice your sport on the field is correct. However, your example of loaded carries for firefighters is a good one. Actually, doing loaded carries is beneficial for many in terms of building strength-endurance.
To address your example of the firefighter - someone who has developed a high level of strength in pulling based movements like deadlifts, bent row and chin ups will be very good at carrying someone up a flight of stairs. You can make the argument that carrying a bag of sand up a flight of stairs is more 'specific', to firefighting, except it won't transfer to anything else, and it can't be overloaded in the long term. Whereas a 200kg deadlift will transfer very well to any movement that requires you to carry or pick something up, and be improved for years. It's a matter of what will give the biggest bang for your buck and can actually be trained.
@@MikeXCSkier Regulation baseballs weigh from 142 to 149 grams, a difference of about 5%. I'm talking about one of about 156 grams, not much more at all.
I’m a fan of calisthenics and strength training. It’s very easy to get big while doing calisthenics you just need to be varying what you’re doing. Lots of variations of push-ups and pull-ups
Of course his statement about functional training is polarizing. Such a definitive statement about most anything will cause people with experience and/or knowledge about that thing to “choose sides.” This is why I think it’s always best to compare my definition of what I’m discussing to the person’s, or group’s, definition of the thing. That way I’m sure we’re talking about the same thing before I “choose a side” and present my reasons for choosing that side. What he’s labeling as “functional training” may very well be a waist of time in the context of his system. I’ve always felt that most exercise and training activities have a place in a performance program or fitness regimen. It’s just about answering the questions, “why are you doing it” and “when are you doing it,” and knowing that you don’t have to include things in a program just because they exist. New research findings are always causing fitness and performance professionals to reevaluate some of what we think we know. Categorizing things makes it easier to decide whether to implement them or omit them. I keep every “tool” I come across. May never use it, but I know where it goes in the tool chest.
Naudi Aguilar is a dick. he may be knowledgeable but his arrogance and this stupidity is his downfall some validity yet a lot of his shit is impractical for those who wanna get stronger or bigger.
Pushing is a movement pattern, so is pulling, so is deadlifting, so is squatting. They are all movement patterns. Learning the movement pattern can help you with strength substantially since you know how properly recruit the muscles for that particular movement pattern.
Whatever...just because someone sounds authoritative and proved something in the past doesn't automatically mean they are correct. If you took to equal men and trained them in boxing and one guy did powerlifting and the other guy chopped trees I guarantee the one who chopped trees would wax the floor with the one who did powerlifting for exercise because the chopping of trees was more FUNCTIONAL to the sport then powerlifting.
What a load of bs. Training can be specific to the sport. Also functional training can have carryover to similar skills. Furthermore, strength training is not just bench press, squat and deadlift. Who would have a better carryover to climbing, a powerlifter or a calisthenics athlete? - According to him it would sound as if the powerlifter.
Hey Rip, bottom 3% of youtube commentors checking in. If what you're saying about functional training being a waste of time is true, then how come my squat went up 10 lbs from 165 lbs to 175 lbs, after squatting on a bosu ball with a kettlebell for 2 months?
Functional training is training in multiple fields, this is very good for general fitness and allows you to do alot of things very well. You also get the advantage of it being great for long term health. Specific training is only good for that specific thing, you want to be really good at one thing then fine. Note that even in this you will train multiple parts of the body but not to the same level and would possibly leave areas out completely. My personal opinion is most people should go for functional training and not specific training, as most people don't need to do one thing very well and would benefit from a more well rounded training. I.e people who can lift a heavyweight for 10 seconds but can't run to the shop down the road and struggle to carry it back.
What people who don't like about functional training is they don't like the combination of trainings, not that they don't like people training different things. For example, body pump from Les Mills. It is said that it train cardio and strength at the same time, just that it seems to be more cardio because you can't use that much weight with the amount of reps and movement the class required. Some will even include balance work, which is quite dangerous while holding weights. Instead of 'functional training' for 1 hour, better do weight lifting for 30, running for 20 and yoga/stretching for 10. It's safer not to mashed everything in.
The problem is that functional training is suboptimal for every one of the fitness areas. Where you will always benefit way more by training each thing separately,instead of combining everything into one exercise. Mark here is talking more about people who already do a sport. Who already have the cardio for it. So functional is a waste of time.
Cattle farmer crew here! when I was in highschool even though I was 155 the others were always baffled by my strength on the mat even though they could lift more than me. I know he says strength is strength but I do think there is a difference in grappling strength and weightlifting strength
SchizoBeats yeah we use to have a peg board that was like 15ft tall and you had to do it and give 100% effort to me it was pretty easy I could do it relative ease and I could climb the rope just using my hands. I kinda always equated it to strength to weight ratio we had heavyweights guys who could squat 500 but couldn’t do a single pull-up strength really is an odd thing lol
haha because I've been a bricklayer since age 18. I'm 59. 176 lbs, never did a back squat until 5 yrs ago. Got 355 last week. I'm considered average strength on the jobsite.
Yeah, at 60+ I'm all for functional training. Can I walk, can I walk up the stairs, can I open a bottle. All these things aren't a problem at 64, at 74 they might be. My solution -swimming and strength training once a week. At 60+ it takes me that long to recover.Ha!
Specifically what? Swinging a super heavy baseball bat or a weighted bat to get better at swinging a bat is stupid. Running with a weighted vest to get better at sprinting is stupid... just destroys your knees. If your legs get stronger... from squatting.... you’ll sprint faster, I promise
@@davidross8730 bro it's not how it works... do some research before commenting nonsense!!! Or presenting extreme examples! Swinging a super heavy baseball improves your lateral strength, obliques and spine mobility.... Squat, bench press, Deadlift does non of that!!! Squatting heavy weight (1-6 reps) only will slow you down, not make you faster.... Squatting 6-30 reps will make you sprint faster, but not by much! I promise.... Do you even know that Bodybuilding abs exercises doesn't even improves core strength that much? Most bodybuilders can't even do an L-sit.... Or by doing a bench press won't make push something stronger while standing... Functional training like pushing a car will!!!
@R B granted the boy is strong, I could only do 9 no bullshit chin ups, I need to build more strength indeed, however at 55 yrs old i have no belly, so he could obviously benefit from functional training.
@R B functional training is not a waste of time, my guess is that you have a belly and want to justify staying that way, it takes a massive amount of dedication to stay fit all year around, all exercises have value, a pistol squat is incredibly difficult, try it with no weight, then try it with a 20 kg weighted vest, and so on..
@@offthechainfitness just because something is difficult and takes skill doesn't mean that it's worth doing in comparison to things I could do in that time to work more specifically towards my goals. I've got only so much time and sleep/recovery is also important. I'd rather spend it to put some weight on my back , do my running and kick/punch a human or a bag than practising a circus trick.
Mathilda if anything is not worth doing then great, don’t do it, but don’t bash the circus trick especially if you can’t do it..pursuing your goal is the idea, if Rippetoe only talked strength then great, but he said functional training is a waste of time with a big fat belly..and I said, he could definitely benefit from functional training..
The real question is, are we using the wrong definition for functional training? Should the definition be, Functional training is the combination of strength, conditioning, and activity specificity in a planned deliberate manner.
It’s simply a long muscle chain of resistance that carries over to the tasks that occur outside the gym. Overhead pressing, O lifts, Sq’s, and deadlifting are basically also functional training too. Isolation movements like curls we’d need to eliminate, but a pull up is functional;, because you do pull yourself up. His definition of FT is like saying that dancing is limited to the fox trot and the waltz. Kettlebell squat is FT.....anything inferior about that? Take it up with Dan John....
Comments here are completely missing the point of the video - this video clip is obviously aimed at strength guys - people who only want to increase their squat, deadlift, Press etc.... I'm sure the presenter would agree functional training may have a place for people with certain goals. For example, my goals are to improve strength, improve balance/proprioception, and work all the stabilizer muscles to be as prepared as possible for any random physical challenge and avoid injury. I don't care how much or little i can bench press. I want to be better at riding singletrack on bikes and motorcycles. I want to be able to save my own life If i'm hanging on the edge of a cliff. Doing these things is the best training, but thats unrealistic of course, so the second best way I can think of to train for those goals is with Functional training or crossfit .
@@matthewmchenry2889 I wrote "doing these things is the best training" - meaning i go out and do the activity - so yes my gym is huge seeing as it is the great outdoors.
Says the guy who looks like he’s dying from inflammation (Not saying he’s not strong) But physiological adaptation exists outside of his strength training modality, it’s not like people weren’t fit before we invented exercise science hey? Like could gym bros parkour? Or like comp swim? There are many forms of physiological adaptation
As a senior exercise and sports science major his example of functional training (weighted baseball) does the term poor justice. Functional training encompasses the training of muscles responsible for the movement desired. For example the squat is classified as athletically functonal. Athletically lower body power generation is essentially for sprinting, football tackles exploding off the line and the list could go on. Plyometrics and different drills such as the SEMO are functional training and EXTREMELY important for athletic performance. These take advantage of strength, power, skill, agility, speed, and balance. They don't need to mimic the exact movement required is my point. Hints weighted implements are not a defining factor of function training. Just a clickbait title.
But you also have to get stronger in the position and techniques the body has to do to get stronger at that specific skill in the sport. You can get stronger through strength training and practice skill for the sport but let’s say your sport requires an unusually movement pattern that has weight to be lifted you’ll need to practice with that weight or do a similar move that can not only strengthen your core but strengthen the core in that unusual position. You also have to realize training functional can actually be training to prevents injury which is something that is completely under looked. You train your body to deal with the tough falls of the sport like track and you trip but you not only worked on the correct movement to fall to prevent injury but you also improved your reflexes
I don t even work out. I work as a commercial carpenter, basically I do cardio mixed with heavy lifting 5 days a week 8 hours a day.....and I do jiu-jitsu, 3 times a week. Pretty strong for my weight (190) frame 6'2...I don't know if I can bench press as much as my gym friends, but I know I am stronger than them. %100
The point is YOU getting as strong as YOU can. Your job & hobbies got you to, & require, your current level of strength, but they aren't progressive, they won't be any harder next week, so they won't make you any stronger. It has nothing to do with who's weaker than you. (There are men in this world who are stronger than you, who never trained at anything.) If you lift progressively, YOU will be stronger than YOU are NOW. How can that be a bad thing?
I thought the same thing. Strength is very specific: nerve activation, reflex arcs, and muscle coordination are three things off the top of my head that all go into effective strength,
@@neal520 ...yes it is highly specific. All of the things I mentioned require highly specific coordinated actions in order to manifest as effective motion. This requires dedicated and specific training to properly take advantage of the various physiological processes that will optimize a particular motion. Deadlifting will do Jack all for your jump shot. Curls will not help you run that piano cord any faster. Non-specific contraction of muscles along with non specific triggering of reflex arcs will make you look like you are having a seizure...
Training doesn't help with physical work anyway. Most people that work physically are lean and powerful at the same time. The gym going strong men wouldn't do too well out in the field planting trees or working in construction where you need a lot of stamina and just enough strength.
Mark thesis here seems to be two-fold: 1. General strength training will make your sport-specific movements (as long as their mechanics are practiced enough) as strong as they could be. 2. Practice of the actual sport motions, like the action of throwing a baseball, is enough to make these motions as strong as they can be for an otherwise strong person. I feel that the example of baseball Mark tends to use in these arguments is not that helpful, because moving as quickly as possible through a range of motion is a little different than training a motion that faces heavy resistance in the sport. Let's say my sport is arm curling various household objects, to keep it simple. If thesis 1 were true, it would seem I could do the strength program and just practice the motion of curls. Then I would go out on competition day and one-hand-curl a microwave. However, in Mark's book (and in my experience with the program), we learn that incrementally increasing the weight on a specific motion makes it stronger. Therefore, it would be logical, in this case, to train curls with a barbell or dumbbell, incrementally increasing the weight, rather than just doing squats, DL, chins, etc. While the motion might be slightly different with the specific object I might end up doing, it's better since it's hard to incrementally increase microwave weight, for example. If thesis 2 were true, we could just practice the motion of curling, without heavy resistance (while strength training) and then do that motion as strong as possible in competition. We know that's not going to happen. To give a more concrete example, my sport is grappling. Let's say I'm trying to develop a stronger snapdown (where you grab a guy by the shoulders or on top of the neck in a wrestling stance and basically try to make them faceplant). I could (and should) grab a partner and do 100 snapdowns a day. That would certainly make my snapdown technically better. It would also make it stronger. But would it make it as strong as possible? I'm not incrementally increasing the resistance (unless I happen to have enough information somehow to be able to sort my training partners by back strength). And we know from SS that incrementally increasing the weight on the movement is the best way to get the muscles involved in that movement stronger. I'm also unlikely to find partners that want to be snapped down repeatedly every day if that's not the thing we're drilling that day - time in the gym is limited and most people just want to go out and grapple. Plus, partners are not available outside the grappling gym and I want to make that motion stronger. So, what's the downside if I take a cable machine, line it up to get the right angle and snap those cables down to the ground for sets of 5? True, it's not exactly the same motion. And true, I would get generally stronger if I used that time for squats or chins. But if I spend a few months and double the weight I can pull down, you're telling me when I line up against a guy and yank him down, he's not going to feel the difference? I have trouble believing that.
Go do it. Honestly, I'm not trying to argue I think you have a great handle on the content. Personally I would run SS or whatever program fits your current level of strength and adaption and then do your example. If it makes you stronger, doesn't fuck up the neural pathway of the actual movement ( IE doesn't screw up your form) and doesn't interfere with your progression of your main lifts then it works. Try it out, if it doesn't help then stop. I think where Rip, and a lot of us shake our heads, is when people entirely throw out the fundamentals in order to accomodmate more "functional movements" and don't get me started on the shitty exercise selection and programming they implement at the collegiate level. If you're squatting heavy and benching and whatnot and your lifts going up and your like fuck it I'm run a few sets of this or that to help specific stuff on the mat go for it. Just be reasonable and objective. When I ran SS like..... 6 or 7 years ago I was skinny as hell and had already damaged a shoulder twice doing stupid programs. I used to do endless sets of pushups, dips ,and chins on my off day and lots of direct shoulder workouts at the end my main lifts. Got bigger, got stronger, didn't interfere with my progression and helped keep me from getting injured when the lifts got heavier. When I ran Texas method I did a lot of Kroc Rows with a 100lb DB. Made me better. No one from the SS group would recommend that but I did it so fuck it. Use your head and your guts and I'm sure you'll be fine. Good luck brother give em hell.
What you're basically saying is that you'd replace BOTH strength and practice with something that does neither of it, or very little. You're not getting as strong as you could and at the same time you don't practice as much as you should.
I agree that SOME of the functional training you see if a little excessive, but to act like you know more than professional athletes and trainers? For athletes, the purpose of training is NOT to increase strength, it is to increase PERFORMANCE, which includes increasing strength, flexibility, agility, minimizing injury, etc. Again, I agree that some of the functional stuff may be overkill, but there is a reason that the vast majority of D1 and professional teams incorporate large amounts functional training in addition to traditional barbell movements. Mark Rippetoe's definition of strength may be how much you can bench, deadlift, etc, but Lebron James is not tested by those metrics. He's tested by how well he can dunk, defend, etc. and MAINTAIN those abilities through a game and season without injury.
You will find no greater collection of snake oil salesmen than D1 programs. Coaches are usually stupid on training and they like 2 birds with one stone stuff that "functional training" claims to offer. So they hire the functional guys who offer them the ability to both do strength training and skills work at the same time. Its a con.
The guys I heard promoting functional strength the most ended up with potentially career ending injuries. That made me skeptical of following in their footsteps.
You have to apply it correctly. CrossFit is the example of it done poorly, no focus on proper form and pushing past limits in such a way as to create injury. When functional training is done correctly it helps build mobility,endurance and strength needed for day to day activities,work and or sports. It's commonplace in most sports to do some form of it and is used by the military and fire departments to keep them in shape and give them the ability to safely perform their jobs. Nothing wrong with just strict weightlifting but it doesn't prepare you as well for when you need that strength outside of a controlled environment.
I am 100 % agree with you approach.the title should be endurance training, not functional training.... I think there is abit misunderstanding on the term of "functional training" in my understanding of the term, you have to be bigger, stronger and faster to be functional in the specific sport,. it means your muscle groups that you are (stimulating)damaging have to be "functional" u cant have a 23inchs arms try to win a ufc belt. U gona get knocked out cause 23inchs arm its too heavy and create slow movements isn't functional, there for squats, bench press, deadlift, under a progressive loading mechanical pressure leading to a extreme muscle growth IS NOT FUNCTIONAL in UFC. Or having a huge set of qauts won't work in gymnastic, every athletes need to be Functional in its own specific way!!!functional training it's above everything.. I think u mean endurance traning or pure resistance traning (commercial slang " crossfit") it's waste of time. Which I totally agree (since day 1) Functional training it's not completely endurance improvement. The sport comes in different level of civilization, the lower level of sport don't require much "skills " " calculation" synchronization", the higher level of the sport are the More of those pionts are involved I hate to say the sport Marathon isn't civilized sport but I can tell u I bet u more ppl can run then bodybuild or powerlift. So yes for runers there is not much functional to be involved. U just need one those points I mentioned earlier " endurance" for to be a good Marathon runner, But sport bodybuilding requires not only u need "endurance, u also need to calculate reps, peaks, #, to reach your Max muscle damage in order to growth, "mind synchronize muscle" this is what we always have in mind.that's why it's considered the hardest spot in the world, And yes u need to be functional to reach that level, a bodybuilder having a 23inchs arms and turtle gut isn't functional by the way. Sadly IFBB spend lots of $ trying to brain wash us to make us belive that's way to bodybuild, o man don't even get me started haaa. Anyway so the more compact / civilized sport not only has to be bigger, stronger, faster, it also has to be functional.. U just can't call yourself a pro baseball player if you can't make your enhanced physique functional. I repeat agian the functional training isn't just traning. It's rather a pathological term then an actual exercise, your taking about endurance traning it's waste ppl's time not functional training.
@@rrivera85 Because you expect to gain speed, that's the intention of it, and you will gain none. You will feel quicker instant you let go of the weights, but that's all that is. You feel faster instead of really becoming faster.
@@ГоранДеспотовић I see. In Judo, at least at local club level, we do plenty of overweight training (make throws with extra-resistance), and variations like make as many throws as you can in one minute (a sort of functional training but im not sure), or the classics resistance-band throws, and this is all old school judo training, nothing fancy about it. Im totally ignorant about this matter but I appreciate your answer (hope I make myself clear, my english is no very solid).
@@rrivera85 I trained boxing for a long time, and competed. I did a lot of shadow boxing with weights i thought that that's the key to my speed and i was encouraging others to do so. I started with 2 kg weights, then moved to 3 and finally 4kg, by this logic i should be "matrix" fast by then, of course no such thing happened. I did feel faster when i let go of my weights, but that's all there is to it, an illusion. Then it crossed my mind, did anyone became faster with weights shadow boxing? Answer is no, the why are we wasting time doing that? It is much better to lift weight, get stronger, have better muscles, than your punches will improve with that.
When I started reading on fitness online, Rip was introduced as some kind of an oracle. But I don't want to take functional training advice from a fat guy with chronic back pain. Even at his age - I don't think that's a good excuse.
This is a valid argument for competitive athletes. But the vast majority of us are not that. For many who work 9-5 and have general fitness goals, I believe kettlebell/club programming mixed with some movement training and calisthenics is a better choice than the big three powerlifts. Most importantly, it's safer (if you know what you're doing), but it also mimics a variety of dynamic movement patterns from a variety of sports and unpredictable situations of daily life. Maybe one week I play soccer, two weeks later I play basketball and go for a hike. Maybe I don't do anything involving sports skill for the next six weeks. With a more functional approach to training, I'm more-or-less ready for any of it, despite being middle aged. At 45 with two blown out discs, I'm not gonna load up a ton of weight on a squat rack, or center my training on progressively overloading deadlifts. But I will do goblet squats, swings, cleans, and getups til the cows come home
Just to add to that, the type of protocol I listed above combines different types of strength (power, strength endurance etc.), as well as conditioning, with a minimalist home gym, in minimal time, and with simple variations to the program over time. It does the trick for me. (And I'm not talking about all the kooky stuff on the bosu ball etc.)
Many years past I did try "functional training" and as he says it is neither training nor functional, unless what the function you will exhibit is doing squats on bosu balls, or swinging dumbbells between your legs, or that other silly Pistol Squat. ... you do feel superior THEN because you are dong something most people cannot do, but so what. It doesn't "activate" anything and is hardly better for warm up than just doing the exercise with lower weights and the bar. That fucking trainer had me doing some pretty silly shit back then, then I got fed up that SOME FEW of the other guys kept squatting way more and more than me, so I finally decided to LEARN this shit, and found Rip's book (back then there was no internet) and others books too ---- and I felt I was finally going in the right direction. So with Rip's book and some other book about StaticTraining, where basically you do THESE exercises but hold the bar at its STRONGEST or more USEFUL point with way more weight than you can do a full range exercise, I went ahead fast in my training, there hasn't been a time in all my training when I added weight faster to the bar than those months. So basically I had been a novice doing all that other Functional Training shit all those years, costing me god knows how many thousands of dollars, I am still sore about that; because those stupid trainers not only take your money for no results, but also cause actual damage in the process.... you tell them SPECIFICALLY that you want to get stronger and they steer you to these silly shit telling you you have to adapt first and all that crap. I realise also (taking responsibility) that they were able to do that ONLY because of my great ignorance on the subject.
The gym I go to they host "functional strength" evenings, I'm in there the odd time and I get to see them. I've lost, gained, lost and regained more strength then any of these people have gained in the same time frame. It makes them sweat, they feel like they got a workout, but none of them loss weight, no one gets stronger, most still cant do an unassisted pull up and they constantly do cheap push ups. I'm the same as you, 3 years into my training following random youtuber videos I found Starting Strength and after reading and finally understanding what I was meant to be doing started on a way better path.
@Democrats are cunts No... you again missed the whole point of the video!! The point is to get stronger so that you can display or use your strength in ANY SPORT you want or like, so of course you will never need to lift an UNEVEN 400 pounds with proper handles, but you can easily push or lift a hundred in any situation that requires if you can do four hundred.... don't you really get it?? If I can lift 400 and for some reason need to lift 100 it is easy EVEN IF IT IS "UNEVEN" AS YOU SAY or has no proper handles. And come on man, we are not enemies, I don't even know you or know much about you, so stop with the aggression and insults, we might still even be friends!! If you're pissed at life for some reason, take it out on the weights, they help me with that shit a lot; which is why I workout at the end of the day. Good luck friend.
@@davekooper Exactly, and the only thing left is a sort of anger for how they took advantage of you, bt then again it is ones own fault for not learning about something we say we love and like to do regularly, once I thought about this I started questioning most other things I do regularly and i found I also can improve on those things once I start learning from the best, because the best n EVERYTHING are right here on the net FOR FREE... who would have thought, TH-cam for more than just cat videos!! LOL
@@Uolverino7036 It's body weight exercising. Not possible to increment the weight too much, and not measurable, it is a good display of skill, balance, and nothing more, it is as has been said "functional training" Like the cattle bell swing, how much can you really increment it? and the jerking morons of it all how often or fast can you do it? Most people cannot even do the pistol squat, but I bet you anyone squatting 400-500 can do it today even if they have never done it, like anyone can bicep curl good weight if they can deadlift 400-500 even if they haven't done curls in a while. It is good to distinguish SKILL exercises with the other basic exercises. In explosive exercises you can only lift a portion of what you can do otherwise.
He is just clueless about what functional training is. Functional training is what works best for reaching a specific goal. It could be doing squats, deadlifts and bench press.
He has a good program, and should stick to promoting that. I guess bashing other fitness styles helps impress the type of people who see him as the be all, end all of fitness. He reminds me of John Jaquish who promotes bands, and bashes everything else. Some people can't see the good thing they have, and leave it at that. They have to be more to stay relevant.
@@Ktmcg2289 What matters is time. An athlete is far better served doing grass drills specific to their sport than "functional training" which isn't worth a damn as strength training or sport specific training. 30 mins of grass drills and 30 mins of strength training is far more effective than 1 hour of "functional training".
Functional training is important in rehabilitation, where ones muscles aren't strong enough to support much weight. So, it's definitely not a waste of everybody's time.
Maybe I misunderstood but I'm of the mind that strength is specific, and skill definitely accumulates faster than strength, especially in the untrained.
Doesn‘t apply to weightlifting- there it is combined! Plus: in the shift from low bar squats to high bar, i had a ton of problems including weakness in the hole, mobility ( of course :) Almost like learning how to squat again- couldn‘ t use my aquired strength like that....so i had to develope accurate motor skills first....
But the thing is strong can be specific to a movement pattern, you may be very strong at Bench press but have never done a squat in your life and therefore very weak at a squat. A better example look at pro-arm wrestlers, they have immense strength in their arms mainly biceps and forearms, but can’t necessarily deadlift a lot; check the video where Devon Larratt (a pro arm wrestler) takes on Thor Bjornsson (the worlds strongest man).
What? A big deadlift could mean a big squat, because they involve to a large extent the same musculature. Big foremarms/biceps as you mentioned of course doesn't result in you having a big deadlift, because you solely use the forearms to hold on to the bar and if you're using your biceps you're doing the lift wrong. (edit: grammar)
Ola Berglund Okay? So you’ve just proved my point, strength is specific to a movement pattern. You may be strong in a Press but have never done a squat in your life therefore you probably have a weak squat. You may have very strong forearms and biceps and be a very strong arm wrestler but not very strong at any of the big 3 lifts...
@@teodormrdenovic1981 I half agree with you. Strength is definitely related to a specific movement pattern. If you want to get better at a squat, you must squat. If you want to get better at the press, you must press. What RIP is getting at here though is that functional training is not actually training because unless you can use progressive overload, then you are just practicing furkarounditis. Basic strength training will make one all around strong for not only powerlifting but for sport and it's the reason why NFL, hockey, and many other sports use powerlifting movements for their athletes. It just works.
@@greghood1552 if it were true that strength is not movement pattern specific, then quarter squats would be an effective way of training your full squat. Ditto for machine hip extension, leg extension, and leg adduction. Same muscles used, but in a different movement pattern.
If it is not fun, one won't exercise as a lifestyle: healthy. I am a big fan of SS book. I learned big lifts from the SS book. Also, I am a big fan of Functional Training. I just bought a book: "Functional Training" by Adam Sinicki. I lift weights and perform different functional exercises, kickboxing cardio, etc. *** Strength ONLY: big, strong, yet (big bellies with unhealthy fat), if one'd like to look as Strong Men. Don't get me wrong. Strong Men are highly respectable!
@startingstrength hey Mark! Want to know about your thoughts on Bilateral heavy lift restricting rotational movement as the T-spine is made to create rotational force as well ?
The spine is not made to handle large torsional loads, especially not when combined with flexion loads. Each of your vertebra connect to the one before and after through these tiny little muscles which have to handle the torsion loads to keep them from rotating too much - when your back rotates a certain amount form hip to shoulder the total rotational angle is the sum of the angles of each vertebra relative to the next, so each of them is actually designed to rotate very little. A heavy load can easily overwhelm these muscles even though the much larger obliques can handle it just fine, and you can have uneven degrees of rotation causing the vertebra held by the weakest muscles to rotate too much. It's a really easy way to get injured.
This dude exudes "full of it". You still need to train to do movements properly and recruit muscles properly. There is skill in running properly. Functional training recruits the body in ,da, functional ways. Ways that will improve your overall athleticism. He is refusing to adopt to modern training.
@@lazur1 yes he is strong, but that belly is unhealthy. Strong does not=fat. His risk for heart disease and diabetes doesn't decrease because he is strong but it does increase because he IS overweight. At this point in his life he would benefit from a little more cardio and a little less max lifts.
@@ajjames1059 Obesity's a dietary matter. Cardio does little to nothing for over-fatness, unless it inspires an all-round change of lifestyle.. We're supposed to be talking about building strength. It's best to be healthy too, & looking good is...good. All 3 can be achieved by those who desire all 3, but the strength component remains the same:1/ Low reps of heavy weights on multi-joint barbell exercises. 2/ Keep adding weight to the bar. Why? Because how much you can lift IS how strong you are.
Functional training works! I'm sick and tired of people pontificating what is training when they themselves are out of shape. Sorry I could not help but notice....
"Physiological adaptation is not specific to a movement pattern". Doesn't this statement fly in the face of the training principle, specificity? A rel.strong bench press does not carry over to a rel.strong squat. By squatting, you develop specific adaptations to improve your ability to squat, otherwise wouldn't all lift's performances fluctuate identically regardless of the training stress? So you program cable fly, snatch and behind the neck push presses for several weeks but your performance on say the squat or deadlift doesn't improve. You're strong at x, then if another movement (y) is appreciable different to x then your relative strength of y is far below what it could be if you had trained y. Thoughts?
Correct - i agree with Rip's final point, that 'functional' training like hammer swings and bosu ball balancing bullshit won't get you stronger and is not specific to the sport i.e. a waste of time... however he fails to recognise that strength in the squat, press and deadlift is specific to those movements just like any other. And since we're NOT performing the Barbell squat, press or deadlift on any sports field, they are not necessarily better movements for improving 'strength for ______' (e.g. football). If you did leg press, dumbbell bench and trap bar deadlifts instead, there's no reason why you would expect worse results on the field.
The squat, press and deadlift are the bare minimum of specificity that allows human anatomy to express its functions through the full range of motion while maintaining your own balance. A squat produces a stronger lower body, which will raise the floor of performance in any skill that requires more specific articulation of the lower body. The same goes for the upper body movements and the press. A leg press, smith machine or cable machine supports you or mangles you into a pose you would otherwise never operate from on the field or walking around. The act of supporting yourself and balancing the weight is what makes the strength gained more generally/broadly useful.
@@zacharytan3912 I would argue that the barbell movements are just as unique from anything on a sports field as any position you would "mangled" into by a machine. They are not uniquely good movements for getting an individual strong for sports that don't involve barbells. They do not not allow the human anatomy to express its 'functions' any better than the movement I listed. They are arbitrary resistance training movements. Doesn't mean they are bad or useless, quite the opposite, i train these lifts myslef, because i like doing them. But if I were a football athlete for example, it wouldn't matter for my sports performance whether I'm squatting or leg pressing
Adaptation to the skill vs adaptation to the exercise (strength and endurance aside). So, logically, there is strength training, endurance training, and skill training. Functional training is just training to get better at functional training with some residual strength and endurance training.
And you haven't even seen the RELATED channels like Barbell Medicine.... there are about four of five related channels, including the one with Santana (long hair guy) about strength training as described here and NUTRITION (actual good nutrition information!! the most elusive of all unicorns!!)
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 dude tell me about it!!! I try hard to gain weight n it's hard as hell a few years ago I was trying to bulk I was taking in 7K calories a day n I gained only 6 lbs in a month. I know about the 5x5s and that you have to lift. Just pick up the weight and put it down but it's the food part that gets me.
Richard Sanchez Drink a gallon of milk a day for 2-3 months while lifting heavy. I was able to go from 168 to 201 pounds this way and now sitting at 190.
So the understanding is that practicing the only 3 exercises he mentioned (one of them, press is basically only pectoralis) you get the strength needed for some sports ? Sounds kinda simplistic to me. What about training for power and speed which is practically in the courtyard of many sports ?
I get his point about general strength, however he misses the mark on many points. First of all there is generally athletic strength but there is also specific strength to sports. There are even specific strength within the same sport if we change equipment. If we play golf with persimmon woods, compared to the new modern woods, we use muscles differently and we sequence a bit differently. If we swing hickory clubs the sequencing is different again. This is why if you are used to swinging the newer clubs and then change to train with the persimmon clubs you will actually be sour for a while, just like getting sore when working out. If you’ve never played golf before and you go out and play golf, even when swinging properly you will be sore, even if you are an NFL player who can Bench, Squat and Deadlift a ton. I’ve trained many professional athletes to play golf that aren’t golf strong and can’t do half of what I can do. Now deadlift and squat are important to training and developing athletic strength, and are beneficial to golfers. Yet I’ve seen many golfers overdo their Squat and Deadlift training and it became a detriment to their golf. It needs to be monitored for the given sport based on assessing postural strength, mobility, stability and functional movement. I’ve see golfers of all levels improve tremendously through Functional Training, not just the elite. And it certainly isn’t a waste of time. Maybe his experience with functional training was using improper techniques. I’ve also heard him say that yoga and Pilates are useless for golf. That they don’t develop strength. That is false. They develop strength in the postural muscles that are working 24/7. They also help with flexibility, mobility and stability. All those are functionally important. I’ve been studying fitness and working out for over 40 years, and there are definitely strength issues and muscular endurance issues specific to each sport. It would be much more correct to simply express the benefits of general strength training without bashing the other areas that also have benefits. I understand it is his belief, but his belief doesn’t make it fact.
I'm new to the idea of Functional Training, and by no means an expert, but what he describes as Functional Training doesn't appear to be what I've read about. What he calls Functional Training sounds like what I would think of as sport specific strength training. Am I wrong?
I'm not an expert but after analysing this video and all the contents , I cannot say anything because as I said in the beginning I'm not an expert .
Thanks !
That’s funny 😂😂😂
Ded haha
Erick Miranda ive seen trolls like you before if it wasnt you yourself
Asshole
That's an expert decision!
Don't bash functional training. When I walk into the gym and I see bosu ball squatters, I know the squat rack is free.
Well I have to say when I have my cardio day I like to do some functional cardio better than the same incline or row or bike :) What I do simulates cutting wood let's say, and it destroys me and it's fun. Obviously the discussion pertains to strength purposes but it has purpose in cardio workouts.
cardio? is that spanish
@@fsmoura I think he means squats for sets of 15.
@joshua2585 we got us a bosu ball squatter here folks.
Lol
Goku trained with a heavy suit and he beat Freezer pretty easily.
and it wasn't even his final form
I can beat my freezer pretty easily too
Lol freezer
Come on guys! Spanish dub here haha
wow how ridiculous. what a useless comment. It was NOT an easy win!
I’m watching this thinking, “man it must suck for those people behind the white board. They can’t see anything”.
It’s a mirror....
Literally only realised once I read your comment 😂🤦♂️
It’s a mirror. You can see the camera
Lol it is a mirror 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Define functional training before you start arguing about it. The people who say they are for it and the people who say they are against it are rarely talking about the same thing.
dtatman7 probably instagram fitness stunts, real functional fitness is stuff like, walking lunges carrying only one 100lb DB; shits tough
Agreed. This is another crabby exposition by Rippetoe talking about dumb training and calling it functional training. We should all just have beer guts and squat really heavy.
@@DaveReddy and moustaches. Don't forget that.
EXACTLY!!
I think this isn't the whole story, just a clip of the whole story. Go here, it explains it in more depth.
startingstrength.com/article/functional-training-an-update
I pretty much worshipped Mark and these guys for a long time... I still respect their content, but things changed when I became a firefighter and thought my strength training would be enough. I challenge any SSLP graduate to throw on gear, pack up and walk up a few flights of stairs with 50 feet of hose. You'll realize why "functional training" actually is REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT.
That's what practice is for. Nobody is suggesting you don't practice your sport/job. I think the point being made in this video is that you are better prepared as a firefighter who is generally strong in the big lifts than one who isn't. Would you agree?
@@thissmoothie "with lifting heavy weights, one only learns how to do it slow" I rather prefer a fast firefighter with good endurance then any world champion lifter to save me from a burning building.
@@Bard2008 Lifting heavy weights increases your ability to produce force (strength). You can't produce force quickly (speed/power) without having decent strength. Your interpretation is really outdated science. If strength training makes you slow, why do speed based athletes across the world utilise it? Additionally, a firefighter can't save you from a fire if they are too weak to pick you up.
@@thissmoothie go watch some obstacle races, that to me is power! To easily overcome and enjoy every obstacle life feeds us.
Bard2008 You don’t get to decide what power is. Physics does. Power = force x velocity. Strength is the force component. If you don’t want to do strength training that’s fine but you can’t say it makes you slow if you can’t form a cogent argument.
Took me 5 minutes to realize that it is a mirror behind him.
Hahaha. Took me the whole time to realize. And it’s only because I read your comment. Lmao.
it took me less than 5 seconds to realize that since he's in a gym ;)
Took me 3 minutes to get to this comment.
Don't bash functional training. Watching guys do lunges on a bosu ball with a 5 kg kettlebell in one hand and 10 kg kettlebel in the other is great entertainment for passing time during rest between sets.
Finally!!! 🙌🤣
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10 kg kettlebell? Try 16, and if it's too light, then go for 32. Tell us about your feelings after. Sorry, no lunges and no stupid balls, just basic KB exercises.
@@kiril1 you're almost there . . . now go for a bar, a couple hundred lbs and you're doing _real_ training.
@@fsmoura I believe you. I tried much less, maybe 130-150 LBs, and even this was tough. The question is: what for? I see old people, most of them have no big muscle mass, they are pretty small or tall, but almost never fat, not like Rip. So what if you are strong, if you have a metabolic syndrome? I prefer kettlebells and some isolated exercises, just to compensate my sedentary lifestyle hazards.
Nothing beats curls while doing weighted Kegels, standing on a Bosu ball. Should be the newest CrossFit Games event.
they're developing an extreme close-up camera, to better broadcast this event
Just reading the words "weighted kegels" makes my gooch hurt
Lots of lulz were had that day!!
@@DJ_Mooseknucks Your chooch
*weighted kegels*
ZERO!!!!!!
I did P90X3 and other functional training for almost a year. I practiced speed, I practiced power, I practiced agility, I practiced balance. I gained about 10lbs and stalled out on literally everything after 6 months.
I went through starting strength linear progression and then transitioned to the 4-day split. I increased my squat and deadlift by over 200lbs, bench by over 100lbs, press by 80lbs (hard time with press form).
Speed came automatically, balance was better than ever, power increased on it's own, and agility came for free.
During the 6 months of P90X3, I could have finished an Novice LP. Functional training wasted my time.
Mitch Schutter the only true “functional training” is strongman movements. They still require heavy weight.
I don't know. That shake weight is certainly a most highly effective functional training method.
Ah, an old fashioned
alternate arms to avoid imbalances/assymetry
You're joking but grab something like a jar with something you wanna mix and shake it, your arms will feel it and your core is gonna automatically brace without you thinking
What happened to the good old slosh pipe? That was the latest and greatest for awhile!
@@JoshuaRoberts_V late bloomer I see
"Strength is not specific to movement pattern."
Ehhh, it kind of is. That's why you list three exercises instead of one. Your bench won't help your squat, will it? Different movement, different muscles. Otherwise we could all just do one exercise and become strong all over. That's how it would work if strength were not specific to a movement pattern.
"Endurance is not specific to movement pattern, although it is more specific than strength is."
Contradiction. If the correlation is zero, then it's zero. Also, if there is no specificity, then something even twice as specific will still have no specificity, because zero multiplied is still zero.
Furthermore, it's wrong on the very face of it. If we held a triathlon and didn't tell anybody until the start that we switched out the bicycle portion for wheelchairs, it would shake things up wouldn't it? But not if endurance weren't specific to movement pattern (except it is though).
Find some twiggy marathon runner addict and ask her to hold out a weight at arm's length, she won't do it longer than some couch potato who's trained at just that for a month.
Cheap speaking trick, throw out hyperbole at the beginning to make people think you've got something new and then proceed with standard material. That's after you use some needlessly technical nomenclature to make yourself sound scientific and then dumb it down more than necessary.
"Now physiologic adaptation is not specific to a movement pattern, is it?" [pretends to wait for an answer to his rhetorical question] "'Strong' is not specific to a movement pattern." [Pretends to look disappointed with his audience's miniscule vocabulary, establishing dominance, lol]
TL;DR This fat dude does not know what he is talking about. Imagine that.
Thank you, good point! I also question always measuring strength by the squat, deadlift, and bench press. Nothing magical in those lifts--they just happen to be the three competitive powerlifts.
You can say functional training is not as effective as.. But you can't correctly say functional training doesn't make you stronger. Your quads don't know if you're standing on a balance board they just react to the force and effort applied to them
You can't lift as much while on a balance board. More weight = More effort applied. Yes, your quads DO "know" when they're trying to balance with sub-max resistance instead of applying force to progressively greater max resistances. You can begin so weak that you're squatting an empty bar, but be squatting almost 400 lbs in one year. You'll NEVER see that with functional training.
Perceived effort =/= Mechanical load. Guess which one drives muscular adaptation?
“How do you pick up girls?” You squat bench and you deadlift.
Throw in some hip thrusts and you got yourself a complete program.
My wife isn't crazy about me using her body to do bench presses in the morning. But the fact of the matter is that you can pick up either girls or women once you've mastered the bench press.
“How to not be shallow” train for practical fitness and functionality and not for looks.
Can you explain to me how to do a squat bench? That sound sick
@@mxs4193 I'll take a good looking body over an ugly strongman body any day. You go be a human car jack and lift some car looking like a goofy dumbass infront of girls, while I take off my shirt at the beach and have the entire beach turn their heads towards me and the girls all wet.
Functional training, cardio, strength training whatever it is that you love to do just do it!!
Elite basketball players use sometimes heavier basketball for dribbling (a.k.a skills). It's not really black and white. Pull-ups are also a skill, you need to learn to control your scapulas and also do strength training but also control the body a.k.a functional training to be able to pull CLEAN. You can also attain this strength very well by deadlifting thus still need to do Pull-ups for the proper movement patterns to develop. Body awareness is also something that comes from functional training. I have seen it myself and with my clients that they tend to move better at their specific movement patterns (sports) when introducing functional training in their training regimen. It's all about the understanding of human physiology, movement and control in an environment. This is called athleticism and the more developed athleticism in various ways, the better control and connection in Any movement pattern whatsoever. My take after 20 years of playing, training and coaching. Anyways, some good points on this video still. :)
Run this video past the kettlebell snatch world champion. See if he/she thinks strength and skill isn’t in part byproduct of the very same practice & training with the very same equipment they compete with. If it’s not relevant this guy should be able to squat his way to a world title: Do they practice and train with heavier bells.. fkn oath they do. It is also 100% relevant to their performance. Ever wonder why baseballers pick up two or three bats before they step up? To increase reaction time by warming up heavy to make their bat feel light and snappy! As an ex baseball player I can vouch for the benefits and yes we used to cage practice with heavier bats for a range of benefits that included strength specific to the movement.
It looks to me like the movement pattern and skill developed here is fork to mouth.
You need a combination of training.
I learned that in wrestling and MMA.
Having functional workouts allow us to build mobility and strength without putting on heavy mass. Doing strict weight lifting allows us to build explosive power.
Doing both helps us become better athletes.
Idk about wrestling but if you're a striker you don't need to do weightlifting your explosive power, power comes with doing more punches
@@SK-tr1wo I advise you look up how professional boxers and athletes of striking martial arts increase their power. Resistance/weight training is a must.
@@dasdovian7785 Jump roping, running, bag work, medicine ball work, etc... That is literally all you need. Resistance training is excessive and is wasting time that could be used for more effective training.
@@SK-tr1wo It doesn't seem to be slowing down Canelo, Caleb Plant or Bivol
@@dasdovian7785 I think resistance training that 1-4 reps will slow you down, which is basically power training... while 8+ reps will make you more explosive, but not by that much anyways, genetics play a role, while functional training can increase mobility, strong hips, strength by a lot!
This is a story told in 9 minutes that could have taken 2 minutes.
You mean every starting strength video ever
If your training is helping you achieve your training goal, your training is functional.
Proper exercise helps people achieve their training goals far more effectively and safely than so-called "functional training".
Rip looks like the kind of guy who would walk into my clinic looking jacked, but having a BP of 170/95 on 3 medications.
Training needs to be sports specific. Being a power lifter won't turn you into a gymnast or a UFC fighter. However the carry over effects of combining various activities can make a huge difference.
It's a bit more complex. Sports like running, cycling, rowing etc translate better to using weightlifting patterns that mimic the sport because there is little variability in things like motion, terrain in those sports. There is research that shows non similar movement pattern training as related to the applied sport is beneficial. So to just train patterns that seem to apply to the sport is incorrect as a blanket statement. It's actually more or less totally incorrect actually
@@Thee-_-Outlier does doing barbell rows help actual rowers
@@simohayha6031 I'm not sure if that is supposed to be a rhetorical comment and an attempt at sarcasm or not since this is the internet. I'll give you my opinion tho as if you are serious tho. Barbell rows may help but it's probably not a great way to train. In general sports do train by doing the sport or training for what the sport requires. Rowing in your example is also an endurance sport in most cases so I would say weightlifting in general is side training. The main focus of training would be the endurance of those muscle. things like rowing simulation/training equipment and even seated cable rows would be the primary focus id imagine.
So do barbell rows help, sure a bit maybe, but it's not the goal of the sport to get big lats or to row whilst standing and bent over. It makes more sense to do cable rows.
To be more clear even if you take running and cycling while doing leg presses and all would strengthen the muscles involved but I'd say there are still better resistance training movements than say a leg press. It's far better even in those cases to do cycling or perhaps a climbing machine for resistance training but ig the point is leg presses would help, but not as much as resistance training in the basic motion used in the activity.
Wrong. Powerlifting is a sport, not to be confused with strength training. Every athlete on the planet that strength trains with compound movements will become more explosive so strength training is a must if you want to reach max potential. That said, all athletes must still work on skills separately. If strength training didn't really work in MMA, why do Jon Jones and Khabib mainly focus on getting stronger with barbell movements (squat, bench, deadlift, ohp)? You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
This video made me want to do a heavy one rep max deadlift, then eat pizza and ice cream then go to sleep for 12 hours. Have a big breakfast then go back to sleep
I usually like Rip, but that first statement just seems wrong. Of course adaptation is movement-specific. You get better at deadlifts by practicing deadlifts. You get better at atlas stone carries by carrying atlas stones. Your muscles may not know the difference from a load applied by X or Y, but your ability to actually execute the movement (what I would call "strength") is absolutely dependent on the movement and how much training you have.
Of course, most "functional" stuff is nonsense. But if you want to get better at X, you should practice X.
And of course ‘strength’ is sports specific - to be effective an effective marathon runner, you don’t strength train like a wrestler and vice versa!
Skill training acclimates the body to apply the strength, gained in basic strength training, to your skill. lncreasing a skill's load confuses the nerve-path. Your point is valid, but only applies to very few exceptions: weightlifting, powerlifting, & strongman, where increasing the load is actually part of the sport.
I agree! If I don't train my arms and only squat, they won't get stronger! That's why we train compound lifts, so as many muscle groups as possible are trained.
And of course endurance training causes muscular adaptations! Sure your legs don't get stronger from running, but your heart muscle grows! It's not just chemistry that's 'manipulated'.
I agree that strength is a very important part of being healthy, but it's not the only part of the equation and the fact that all of this is presented in such a biased and one-sided way is why I cannot take Rip very seriously anymore. Barbell Medicine and others are much more open.
He didn't say adaptation is not movement specific, just that strength is not movement specific.
I don't think his definition of strength and yours is the same. With your definition you can get stronger in a few hours by learning the technique, but your muscles don't change (unless you count microtears, but that is negative) during those few hours.
I think Rippetoe's definition is the maximum amount of force a muscle can contract at (so people who lift different amounts of weights can be equally strong but with better/worse technique).
@@Thomas-gj1zn Maximizing potential strength isn't movement-specific, but full use of that increased potential is movement-specific. The full development of strength-skill involves a paradox: The subject must use ever-increasing loads on the big lifts, to develop generic strength, but should only use loads identical to his sport's when rehearsing skills. (ex:Barry Bonds' weight training and extra batting practice.)
Strong actually IS very specific to a movement pattern...
A strong squatter isnt always a strong bencher..
A strong deadlifter isnt always a strong squatter..
A strong RFESS'er isnt always a strong squatter..
A strong Pendlay Rower isnt always strong at pullups..
And then theres the argument of Gymnastic strength, Strongman strength, Olympic weightlifting strength.
In baseball, unilateral strength work would probably be more appropriate.
Now I agree, "functional training" has gotten out of hand, and I'm a firm believe in starting strength for beginners.
However, it is possible to make strength training for a sport as specific as possible, and the "Squat, Bench, Deadlift" isn't always the most appropriate.
agreed. I think this whole process or methodology of getting strong can be a never ending black hole of arguments running circles around them. So i think the most simplistic way of getting strong has been boiled down to incorporating 3 main compound movements, maybe even a couple more. Or else your going down a deep rabbit hole running circles around trying to rationalize every single detail, then just sit on the couch and think about it without even working out haha.
Because weight lifting is not just about strength. There is a skill component. That's why there is such a thing as proper and improper technique for each lift. Rippetoe doesn't ever say just get stronger. Pay attention. He says get stronger and practice your sport. He's saying that strength training and practice should be two separate things and you should not try to combine the two into one exercise.
I think he’s right. I wasted time doing “golf specific” training and saw very little improvement in my swing or overall swing speed. I started doing regular strength training and saw massive improvement in my swing speed. My disagreement with him is his calling sports specific training “functional”. It is not functional. Functional training is vertical pushes and pulls, horizontal pushes and rows, squats, and hinge movement patterns, which is basically the same as OH presses, Bench, squat, and DLs he’s talking about. I do this with calisthenics but you can obviously do barbell training as well and make great gains.
This guy preaches like he just smashed his shins doing box jumps
ChalkDaddy idk why that’s funny you mean he tried functional training and sucked at it right ?
I respect Mark, but kind of wish he had gone a little bit more in detail towards the end of his explanation. I used to train at a regular gym, typical bodybuilding program stuff. My numbers were decent in my opinion... 335 back squat, 225 bench press, 365 deadlift... I left that style of training because I wanted to do more so I started crossfit. Thankfully from my prior training I already had a good idea of proper body mechanics and what it meant to lift properly. When I was consistent in crossfit I got leaner, to the point where people could noticeably tell that i was smaller, but yet I got stronger. At my peak my back squat was 405, bench press 265, deadlift 455. And plus I had more endurance. So I wouldn't say functional training is totally worthless ,granted there are some pretty dumb stuff I see on the internet ( weird movements, bad form ect.) But I think with good coaching and proper mechanics, functional training can do a lot of good.
Crossfit isn't "functional training". You got better numbers because you trained those lifts, you got better endurance because you trained your endurance. Crossfit is functional for crossfit.
@@sheadoherty7434 but I must admit. I did not train those lifts as often as I would ag a regular gym. Whole point of crossfit is varied training. So sometimes I could go for a week or two without heavy squats. Granted, the most elite athletes, will train twice or more a day hitting a fundamental lift and then a WOD. But I was able to hit a 405 back squat when my previous PR was 365.
if your theory is correct then the strongest man in the world should also be the fastest man in the world, also able to jump the furthest and also able to throw a ball the furthest... but there isn't because each champion in there chosen sport has functional strength that correlates with the sport, this video was so dumb
The strongest men in the world weigh 400 lbs. This affects other skills, agreed?. Aside from that, superheavyweight Olympic weightlifters CAN jump extraordinarily high:-) / *_'Having'_* functional strength & 'functional strength training' are _two different things_: Having functional strength is the combination of structural strength & skill. Aside from genetic predispositions, these two aspects are trained separately.
I think he needs to clarify what he considers functional training.
I consider kettlebells, weighted lunges, tire flips, and the like to be functional training. He seems to be referring to things like pitching with a heavier ball or swinging a heavy bat as a way to get better at those skills. I think he is probably right to say those exercises don't have the intended effect.
I see functional training as full-body work, not practicing skills for a sport. I think everybody would agree the exercises I listed are not a waste of time.
Was going to say that bodyweight exercises are good for learning how to move the body powerfully, or that hauling a heavy load upstairs is a good exercise/training for firefighters. The examples Rip chose were a bit cherry-picked. Still, I would like to see a study on guys who throw a 5% heavier ball for a month and see if they throw harder or have thicker tendons/ligaments.
There have been studies. It has no effect. Conversely there has been some studies in near term heavy vs. light training like weighted bats for warmup. Studies did find that using a lighter than regulation bat improved hitting immediately after warm up because it primes the nervous system to fire fast. But again no long term effect on hitting only short term.
I read of a study that had pitchers use slightly heavier baseballs and there was improvement in speed. However, the baseballs were mere ounces heavier, not even close to 5%. Using implements that are too heavy will cause an athlete to use a completely different motor pattern, so for the vast majority of sports, the two factor model of build general strength in the gym and then practice your sport on the field is correct. However, your example of loaded carries for firefighters is a good one. Actually, doing loaded carries is beneficial for many in terms of building strength-endurance.
It's like training basketball shots with a medicine ball. It fucks up you technique.
To address your example of the firefighter - someone who has developed a high level of strength in pulling based movements like deadlifts, bent row and chin ups will be very good at carrying someone up a flight of stairs.
You can make the argument that carrying a bag of sand up a flight of stairs is more 'specific', to firefighting, except it won't transfer to anything else, and it can't be overloaded in the long term. Whereas a 200kg deadlift will transfer very well to any movement that requires you to carry or pick something up, and be improved for years.
It's a matter of what will give the biggest bang for your buck and can actually be trained.
@@MikeXCSkier Regulation baseballs weigh from 142 to 149 grams, a difference of about 5%. I'm talking about one of about 156 grams, not much more at all.
I’m a fan of calisthenics and strength training. It’s very easy to get big while doing calisthenics you just need to be varying what you’re doing. Lots of variations of push-ups and pull-ups
Stop.
@@dankdark974
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Of course his statement about functional training is polarizing. Such a definitive statement about most anything will cause people with experience and/or knowledge about that thing to “choose sides.” This is why I think it’s always best to compare my definition of what I’m discussing to the person’s, or group’s, definition of the thing. That way I’m sure we’re talking about the same thing before I “choose a side” and present my reasons for choosing that side. What he’s labeling as “functional training” may very well be a waist of time in the context of his system.
I’ve always felt that most exercise and training activities have a place in a performance program or fitness regimen. It’s just about answering the questions, “why are you doing it” and “when are you doing it,” and knowing that you don’t have to include things in a program just because they exist. New research findings are always causing fitness and performance professionals to reevaluate some of what we think we know. Categorizing things makes it easier to decide whether to implement them or omit them. I keep every “tool” I come across. May never use it, but I know where it goes in the tool chest.
“Functional Patterns“ triggered
Naudi Aguilar is a dick. he may be knowledgeable but his arrogance and this stupidity is his downfall some validity yet a lot of his shit is impractical for those who wanna get stronger or bigger.
We talkin’ about PRACTICE.
Hahaha
Nice reference
If a man with a big fat stomach say this, I have to believe him.
You look like Michael Jackson
He’s a exercise expert and clearly diet one on diet lmao which is the sole reason someone is lean
Hes probably stronger than you
@@raylugo4602 Probably but you stronger than toilet paper😂😂😂 get it?
@@raylugo4602 he is fat, I'm not talking about strength.
8:30 This man starts snoring while he's talking
Pushing is a movement pattern, so is pulling, so is deadlifting, so is squatting. They are all movement patterns. Learning the movement pattern can help you with strength substantially since you know how properly recruit the muscles for that particular movement pattern.
Whatever...just because someone sounds authoritative and proved something in the past doesn't automatically mean they are correct. If you took to equal men and trained them in boxing and one guy did powerlifting and the other guy chopped trees I guarantee the one who chopped trees would wax the floor with the one who did powerlifting for exercise because the chopping of trees was more FUNCTIONAL to the sport then powerlifting.
What a load of bs. Training can be specific to the sport. Also functional training can have carryover to similar skills. Furthermore, strength training is not just bench press, squat and deadlift. Who would have a better carryover to climbing, a powerlifter or a calisthenics athlete? - According to him it would sound as if the powerlifter.
So just because it doesn't carryover as much to climbing it can't be true for most other sports? Such binary reasoning.
Hey Rip, bottom 3% of youtube commentors checking in. If what you're saying about functional training being a waste of time is true, then how come my squat went up 10 lbs from 165 lbs to 175 lbs, after squatting on a bosu ball with a kettlebell for 2 months?
My squat went from 210 to305 in3 months doing 5x5 .iam 56 years old.
You must be one of those genetic freaks.
@@Sealed_Chamber not really just follow 5x5 and kept adding 5 got my deadlift to 305 also .lm about 5ft8 180 not apicture of health.
@@alandavis8211 I was talking about the exalted being that is OP.
Functional training is training in multiple fields, this is very good for general fitness and allows you to do alot of things very well. You also get the advantage of it being great for long term health.
Specific training is only good for that specific thing, you want to be really good at one thing then fine. Note that even in this you will train multiple parts of the body but not to the same level and would possibly leave areas out completely.
My personal opinion is most people should go for functional training and not specific training, as most people don't need to do one thing very well and would benefit from a more well rounded training. I.e people who can lift a heavyweight for 10 seconds but can't run to the shop down the road and struggle to carry it back.
What people who don't like about functional training is they don't like the combination of trainings, not that they don't like people training different things. For example, body pump from Les Mills. It is said that it train cardio and strength at the same time, just that it seems to be more cardio because you can't use that much weight with the amount of reps and movement the class required. Some will even include balance work, which is quite dangerous while holding weights.
Instead of 'functional training' for 1 hour, better do weight lifting for 30, running for 20 and yoga/stretching for 10. It's safer not to mashed everything in.
The problem is that functional training is suboptimal for every one of the fitness areas.
Where you will always benefit way more by training each thing separately,instead of combining everything into one exercise.
Mark here is talking more about people who already do a sport. Who already have the cardio for it. So functional is a waste of time.
But Rip, what about bricklayer strength!?!?
Concrete man myself but I can dig it brother!
Cattle farmer crew here! when I was in highschool even though I was 155 the others were always baffled by my strength on the mat even though they could lift more than me. I know he says strength is strength but I do think there is a difference in grappling strength and weightlifting strength
SchizoBeats yeah we use to have a peg board that was like 15ft tall and you had to do it and give 100% effort to me it was pretty easy I could do it relative ease and I could climb the rope just using my hands. I kinda always equated it to strength to weight ratio we had heavyweights guys who could squat 500 but couldn’t do a single pull-up strength really is an odd thing lol
Arnie and Franco were bricklayers=strong.
haha because I've been a bricklayer since age 18. I'm 59. 176 lbs, never did a back squat until 5 yrs ago. Got 355 last week. I'm considered average strength on the jobsite.
Everybody thinks the exercise routines they do are the greatest and most productive...and everybody on youtube wants to be a fitness guru...
If there wasnt a caption on this video, i would have thought this was a military seminar
Just because you can't see structural changes with your naked eye, it doesnt that there were no structural changes... at a cellular level.
Yeah, at 60+ I'm all for functional training. Can I walk, can I walk up the stairs, can I open a bottle. All these things aren't a problem at 64, at 74 they might be. My solution -swimming and strength training once a week. At 60+ it takes me that long to recover.Ha!
Well because strength training and swimming IS functional training.
Asking as a genuine question:
Isn't strength being specific to a movement pattern the basis for greasing the groove?
Specifically what? Swinging a super heavy baseball bat or a weighted bat to get better at swinging a bat is stupid. Running with a weighted vest to get better at sprinting is stupid... just destroys your knees. If your legs get stronger... from squatting.... you’ll sprint faster, I promise
@@davidross8730 bro it's not how it works... do some research before commenting nonsense!!! Or presenting extreme examples! Swinging a super heavy baseball improves your lateral strength, obliques and spine mobility.... Squat, bench press, Deadlift does non of that!!! Squatting heavy weight (1-6 reps) only will slow you down, not make you faster.... Squatting 6-30 reps will make you sprint faster, but not by much! I promise.... Do you even know that Bodybuilding abs exercises doesn't even improves core strength that much? Most bodybuilders can't even do an L-sit.... Or by doing a bench press won't make push something stronger while standing... Functional training like pushing a car will!!!
@@Nooraksido you have any scientific proof the strength training makes you slow?
@@Nooraksiand did you just said the 3 lifts can’t get you stronger?
its hard to believe what he says looking 6 months pregnant.
@R B granted the boy is strong, I could only do 9 no bullshit chin ups, I need to build more strength indeed, however at 55 yrs old i have no belly, so he could obviously benefit from functional training.
His middle is likely hard as rock and strong from powerlifting. I once worked with a former WSM competitor and this was the case.
@R B functional training is not a waste of time, my guess is that you have a belly and want to justify staying that way, it takes a massive amount of dedication to stay fit all year around, all exercises have value, a pistol squat is incredibly difficult, try it with no weight, then try it with a 20 kg weighted vest, and so on..
@@offthechainfitness just because something is difficult and takes skill doesn't mean that it's worth doing in comparison to things I could do in that time to work more specifically towards my goals. I've got only so much time and sleep/recovery is also important. I'd rather spend it to put some weight on my back , do my running and kick/punch a human or a bag than practising a circus trick.
Mathilda if anything is not worth doing then great, don’t do it, but don’t bash the circus trick especially if you can’t do it..pursuing your goal is the idea, if Rippetoe only talked strength then great, but he said functional training is a waste of time with a big fat belly..and I said, he could definitely benefit from functional training..
The real question is, are we using the wrong definition for functional training? Should the definition be, Functional training is the combination of strength, conditioning, and activity specificity in a planned deliberate manner.
It’s simply a long muscle chain of resistance that carries over to the tasks that occur outside the gym. Overhead pressing, O lifts, Sq’s, and deadlifting are basically also functional training too. Isolation movements like curls we’d need to eliminate, but a pull up is functional;, because you do pull yourself up. His definition of FT is like saying that dancing is limited to the fox trot and the waltz. Kettlebell squat is FT.....anything inferior about that? Take it up with Dan John....
I wonder if the Engineers from Prometheus waste their time with functional training.
They're on a A/B/C/D/E/F/G + abs bodybuilding bodyparts program with double creatine dosage
Perhaps not.
We can be pretty sure they weren't consulting ol rippletoad.
Comments here are completely missing the point of the video - this video clip is obviously aimed at strength guys - people who only want to increase their squat, deadlift, Press etc.... I'm sure the presenter would agree functional training may have a place for people with certain goals.
For example, my goals are to improve strength, improve balance/proprioception, and work all the stabilizer muscles to be as prepared as possible for any random physical challenge and avoid injury. I don't care how much or little i can bench press. I want to be better at riding singletrack on bikes and motorcycles. I want to be able to save my own life If i'm hanging on the edge of a cliff. Doing these things is the best training, but thats unrealistic of course, so the second best way I can think of to train for those goals is with Functional training or crossfit .
Your gym must be very spacious if you are improving your motorcycle riding there.
@@matthewmchenry2889 I wrote "doing these things is the best training" - meaning i go out and do the activity - so yes my gym is huge seeing as it is the great outdoors.
Jesus, a guy with a serious gut issue talking to me about fitness.
Do a google search on him, he's extremely experienced in strength training.
Says the guy who looks like he’s dying from inflammation
(Not saying he’s not strong)
But physiological adaptation exists outside of his strength training modality, it’s not like people weren’t fit before we invented exercise science hey?
Like could gym bros parkour? Or like comp swim?
There are many forms of physiological adaptation
As a senior exercise and sports science major his example of functional training (weighted baseball) does the term poor justice. Functional training encompasses the training of muscles responsible for the movement desired. For example the squat is classified as athletically functonal. Athletically lower body power generation is essentially for sprinting, football tackles exploding off the line and the list could go on. Plyometrics and different drills such as the SEMO are functional training and EXTREMELY important for athletic performance. These take advantage of strength, power, skill, agility, speed, and balance. They don't need to mimic the exact movement required is my point. Hints weighted implements are not a defining factor of function training. Just a clickbait title.
You’ve missed the point, watch the video again
But you also have to get stronger in the position and techniques the body has to do to get stronger at that specific skill in the sport. You can get stronger through strength training and practice skill for the sport but let’s say your sport requires an unusually movement pattern that has weight to be lifted you’ll need to practice with that weight or do a similar move that can not only strengthen your core but strengthen the core in that unusual position. You also have to realize training functional can actually be training to prevents injury which is something that is completely under looked. You train your body to deal with the tough falls of the sport like track and you trip but you not only worked on the correct movement to fall to prevent injury but you also improved your reflexes
I love this! Lifting improved everything in my life and made me better at any sport I competed in.
isnt it sarcasm? i like squats, its buffs my mood and makes me feel really stronger
I don t even work out. I work as a commercial carpenter, basically I do cardio mixed with heavy lifting 5 days a week 8 hours a day.....and I do jiu-jitsu, 3 times a week. Pretty strong for my weight (190) frame 6'2...I don't know if I can bench press as much as my gym friends, but I know I am stronger than them. %100
The point is YOU getting as strong as YOU can. Your job & hobbies got you to, & require, your current level of strength, but they aren't progressive, they won't be any harder next week, so they won't make you any stronger. It has nothing to do with who's weaker than you. (There are men in this world who are stronger than you, who never trained at anything.) If you lift progressively, YOU will be stronger than YOU are NOW. How can that be a bad thing?
Literally the very first thing he said was wrong. Strength is absolutely specific.
I thought the same thing. Strength is very specific: nerve activation, reflex arcs, and muscle coordination are three things off the top of my head that all go into effective strength,
lordoforder so what youre saying is strength is not specific at all and encompasses many aspects of he body hmmm
@@neal520 ...yes it is highly specific. All of the things I mentioned require highly specific coordinated actions in order to manifest as effective motion. This requires dedicated and specific training to properly take advantage of the various physiological processes that will optimize a particular motion. Deadlifting will do Jack all for your jump shot. Curls will not help you run that piano cord any faster. Non-specific contraction of muscles along with non specific triggering of reflex arcs will make you look like you are having a seizure...
@@lordoforder All the things you mention are things that you PRACTICE... just saying...
Training doesn't help with physical work anyway. Most people that work physically are lean and powerful at the same time.
The gym going strong men wouldn't do too well out in the field planting trees or working in construction where you need a lot of stamina and just enough strength.
Mark thesis here seems to be two-fold:
1. General strength training will make your sport-specific movements (as long as their mechanics are practiced enough) as strong as they could be.
2. Practice of the actual sport motions, like the action of throwing a baseball, is enough to make these motions as strong as they can be for an otherwise strong person.
I feel that the example of baseball Mark tends to use in these arguments is not that helpful, because moving as quickly as possible through a range of motion is a little different than training a motion that faces heavy resistance in the sport. Let's say my sport is arm curling various household objects, to keep it simple. If thesis 1 were true, it would seem I could do the strength program and just practice the motion of curls. Then I would go out on competition day and one-hand-curl a microwave.
However, in Mark's book (and in my experience with the program), we learn that incrementally increasing the weight on a specific motion makes it stronger. Therefore, it would be logical, in this case, to train curls with a barbell or dumbbell, incrementally increasing the weight, rather than just doing squats, DL, chins, etc. While the motion might be slightly different with the specific object I might end up doing, it's better since it's hard to incrementally increase microwave weight, for example.
If thesis 2 were true, we could just practice the motion of curling, without heavy resistance (while strength training) and then do that motion as strong as possible in competition. We know that's not going to happen.
To give a more concrete example, my sport is grappling. Let's say I'm trying to develop a stronger snapdown (where you grab a guy by the shoulders or on top of the neck in a wrestling stance and basically try to make them faceplant). I could (and should) grab a partner and do 100 snapdowns a day. That would certainly make my snapdown technically better. It would also make it stronger. But would it make it as strong as possible? I'm not incrementally increasing the resistance (unless I happen to have enough information somehow to be able to sort my training partners by back strength). And we know from SS that incrementally increasing the weight on the movement is the best way to get the muscles involved in that movement stronger.
I'm also unlikely to find partners that want to be snapped down repeatedly every day if that's not the thing we're drilling that day - time in the gym is limited and most people just want to go out and grapple. Plus, partners are not available outside the grappling gym and I want to make that motion stronger.
So, what's the downside if I take a cable machine, line it up to get the right angle and snap those cables down to the ground for sets of 5? True, it's not exactly the same motion. And true, I would get generally stronger if I used that time for squats or chins. But if I spend a few months and double the weight I can pull down, you're telling me when I line up against a guy and yank him down, he's not going to feel the difference? I have trouble believing that.
Go do it. Honestly, I'm not trying to argue I think you have a great handle on the content. Personally I would run SS or whatever program fits your current level of strength and adaption and then do your example. If it makes you stronger, doesn't fuck up the neural pathway of the actual movement ( IE doesn't screw up your form) and doesn't interfere with your progression of your main lifts then it works. Try it out, if it doesn't help then stop.
I think where Rip, and a lot of us shake our heads, is when people entirely throw out the fundamentals in order to accomodmate more "functional movements" and don't get me started on the shitty exercise selection and programming they implement at the collegiate level. If you're squatting heavy and benching and whatnot and your lifts going up and your like fuck it I'm run a few sets of this or that to help specific stuff on the mat go for it. Just be reasonable and objective.
When I ran SS like..... 6 or 7 years ago I was skinny as hell and had already damaged a shoulder twice doing stupid programs. I used to do endless sets of pushups, dips ,and chins on my off day and lots of direct shoulder workouts at the end my main lifts. Got bigger, got stronger, didn't interfere with my progression and helped keep me from getting injured when the lifts got heavier. When I ran Texas method I did a lot of Kroc Rows with a 100lb DB. Made me better. No one from the SS group would recommend that but I did it so fuck it.
Use your head and your guts and I'm sure you'll be fine. Good luck brother give em hell.
pryoslice a guy with a gut that my gut feeling says he doesn't do much sport is lecturing on the best way to get results in sports performance...
What you're basically saying is that you'd replace BOTH strength and practice with something that does neither of it, or very little. You're not getting as strong as you could and at the same time you don't practice as much as you should.
This video is a waste of time.
Define functional.
Define functional training.
This guy doesn't look like he's done much functional movement
Exactly. I'd hate to end up in the state this fellow is in.
I strength train (5 x 5) 3-6x a week and crossfit 3-5x a week. one kind of cancels out the other, but i feel great.
I agree that SOME of the functional training you see if a little excessive, but to act like you know more than professional athletes and trainers? For athletes, the purpose of training is NOT to increase strength, it is to increase PERFORMANCE, which includes increasing strength, flexibility, agility, minimizing injury, etc. Again, I agree that some of the functional stuff may be overkill, but there is a reason that the vast majority of D1 and professional teams incorporate large amounts functional training in addition to traditional barbell movements. Mark Rippetoe's definition of strength may be how much you can bench, deadlift, etc, but Lebron James is not tested by those metrics. He's tested by how well he can dunk, defend, etc. and MAINTAIN those abilities through a game and season without injury.
You will find no greater collection of snake oil salesmen than D1 programs. Coaches are usually stupid on training and they like 2 birds with one stone stuff that "functional training" claims to offer. So they hire the functional guys who offer them the ability to both do strength training and skills work at the same time. Its a con.
The guys I heard promoting functional strength the most ended up with potentially career ending injuries. That made me skeptical of following in their footsteps.
You have to apply it correctly. CrossFit is the example of it done poorly, no focus on proper form and pushing past limits in such a way as to create injury.
When functional training is done correctly it helps build mobility,endurance and strength needed for day to day activities,work and or sports. It's commonplace in most sports to do some form of it and is used by the military and fire departments to keep them in shape and give them the ability to safely perform their jobs.
Nothing wrong with just strict weightlifting but it doesn't prepare you as well for when you need that strength outside of a controlled environment.
Barbell Strength Training is the greatest thing the universe has created
The human created
@@albertobevilacqua5461 the human is the universe
@@connorw360 not on my ditionary
@@connorw360 human the universe is the
@Democrats are cunts what is stupid is that your assuming someone is stupid through TH-cam comments. Silly you.
I am 100 % agree with you approach.the title should be endurance training, not functional training.... I think there is abit misunderstanding on the term of "functional training" in my understanding of the term, you have to be bigger, stronger and faster to be functional in the specific sport,. it means your muscle groups that you are (stimulating)damaging have to be "functional" u cant have a 23inchs arms try to win a ufc belt. U gona get knocked out cause 23inchs arm its too heavy and create slow movements isn't functional, there for squats, bench press, deadlift, under a progressive loading mechanical pressure leading to a extreme muscle growth IS NOT FUNCTIONAL in UFC. Or having a huge set of qauts won't work in gymnastic, every athletes need to be Functional in its own specific way!!!functional training it's above everything.. I think u mean endurance traning or pure resistance traning (commercial slang " crossfit") it's waste of time. Which I totally agree (since day 1)
Functional training it's not completely endurance improvement. The sport comes in different level of civilization, the lower level of sport don't require much "skills " " calculation" synchronization", the higher level of the sport are the More of those pionts are involved I hate to say the sport Marathon isn't civilized sport but I can tell u I bet u more ppl can run then bodybuild or powerlift. So yes for runers there is not much functional to be involved. U just need one those points I mentioned earlier " endurance" for to be a good Marathon runner, But sport bodybuilding requires not only u need "endurance, u also need to calculate reps, peaks, #, to reach your Max muscle damage in order to growth, "mind synchronize muscle" this is what we always have in mind.that's why it's considered the hardest spot in the world, And yes u need to be functional to reach that level, a bodybuilder having a 23inchs arms and turtle gut isn't functional by the way. Sadly IFBB spend lots of $ trying to brain wash us to make us belive that's way to bodybuild, o man don't even get me started haaa. Anyway so the more compact / civilized sport not only has to be bigger, stronger, faster, it also has to be functional.. U just can't call yourself a pro baseball player if you can't make your enhanced physique functional. I repeat agian the functional training isn't just traning. It's rather a pathological term then an actual exercise, your taking about endurance traning it's waste ppl's time not functional training.
True. Shadow boxing with weights is a waste of time.
why?
@@rrivera85 Because you expect to gain speed, that's the intention of it, and you will gain none. You will feel quicker instant you let go of the weights, but that's all that is. You feel faster instead of really becoming faster.
@@ГоранДеспотовић I see. In Judo, at least at local club level, we do plenty of overweight training (make throws with extra-resistance), and variations like make as many throws as you can in one minute (a sort of functional training but im not sure), or the classics resistance-band throws, and this is all old school judo training, nothing fancy about it. Im totally ignorant about this matter but I appreciate your answer (hope I make myself clear, my english is no very solid).
@@rrivera85 I trained boxing for a long time, and competed. I did a lot of shadow boxing with weights i thought that that's the key to my speed and i was encouraging others to do so. I started with 2 kg weights, then moved to 3 and finally 4kg, by this logic i should be "matrix" fast by then, of course no such thing happened. I did feel faster when i let go of my weights, but that's all there is to it, an illusion. Then it crossed my mind, did anyone became faster with weights shadow boxing? Answer is no, the why are we wasting time doing that? It is much better to lift weight, get stronger, have better muscles, than your punches will improve with that.
The practical reality is that At some point there are diminishing returns on pure strength if not met with endurance and intensity components added
When I started reading on fitness online, Rip was introduced as some kind of an oracle. But I don't want to take functional training advice from a fat guy with chronic back pain. Even at his age - I don't think that's a good excuse.
This is a valid argument for competitive athletes. But the vast majority of us are not that. For many who work 9-5 and have general fitness goals, I believe kettlebell/club programming mixed with some movement training and calisthenics is a better choice than the big three powerlifts. Most importantly, it's safer (if you know what you're doing), but it also mimics a variety of dynamic movement patterns from a variety of sports and unpredictable situations of daily life. Maybe one week I play soccer, two weeks later I play basketball and go for a hike. Maybe I don't do anything involving sports skill for the next six weeks. With a more functional approach to training, I'm more-or-less ready for any of it, despite being middle aged. At 45 with two blown out discs, I'm not gonna load up a ton of weight on a squat rack, or center my training on progressively overloading deadlifts. But I will do goblet squats, swings, cleans, and getups til the cows come home
Just to add to that, the type of protocol I listed above combines different types of strength (power, strength endurance etc.), as well as conditioning, with a minimalist home gym, in minimal time, and with simple variations to the program over time. It does the trick for me. (And I'm not talking about all the kooky stuff on the bosu ball etc.)
Many years past I did try "functional training" and as he says it is neither training nor functional, unless what the function you will exhibit is doing squats on bosu balls, or swinging dumbbells between your legs, or that other silly Pistol Squat. ... you do feel superior THEN because you are dong something most people cannot do, but so what. It doesn't "activate" anything and is hardly better for warm up than just doing the exercise with lower weights and the bar.
That fucking trainer had me doing some pretty silly shit back then, then I got fed up that SOME FEW of the other guys kept squatting way more and more than me, so I finally decided to LEARN this shit, and found Rip's book (back then there was no internet) and others books too
---- and I felt I was finally going in the right direction.
So with Rip's book and some other book about StaticTraining, where basically you do THESE exercises but hold the bar at its STRONGEST or more USEFUL point with way more weight than you can do a full range exercise, I went ahead fast in my training, there hasn't been a time in all my training when I added weight faster to the bar than those months. So basically I had been a novice doing all that other Functional Training shit all those years, costing me god knows how many thousands of dollars, I am still sore about that; because those stupid trainers not only take your money for no results, but also cause actual damage in the process.... you tell them SPECIFICALLY that you want to get stronger and they steer you to these silly shit telling you you have to adapt first and all that crap. I realise also (taking responsibility) that they were able to do that ONLY because of my great ignorance on the subject.
The gym I go to they host "functional strength" evenings, I'm in there the odd time and I get to see them. I've lost, gained, lost and regained more strength then any of these people have gained in the same time frame. It makes them sweat, they feel like they got a workout, but none of them loss weight, no one gets stronger, most still cant do an unassisted pull up and they constantly do cheap push ups. I'm the same as you, 3 years into my training following random youtuber videos I found Starting Strength and after reading and finally understanding what I was meant to be doing started on a way better path.
@Democrats are cunts
No... you again missed the whole point of the video!!
The point is to get stronger so that you can display or use your strength in ANY SPORT you want or like, so of course you will never need to lift an UNEVEN 400 pounds with proper handles, but you can easily push or lift a hundred in any situation that requires if you can do four hundred.... don't you really get it?? If I can lift 400 and for some reason need to lift 100 it is easy EVEN IF IT IS "UNEVEN" AS YOU SAY or has no proper handles.
And come on man, we are not enemies, I don't even know you or know much about you, so stop with the aggression and insults, we might still even be friends!!
If you're pissed at life for some reason, take it out on the weights, they help me with that shit a lot; which is why I workout at the end of the day.
Good luck friend.
@@davekooper
Exactly, and the only thing left is a sort of anger for how they took advantage of you, bt then again it is ones own fault for not learning about something we say we love and like to do regularly, once I thought about this I started questioning most other things I do regularly and i found I also can improve on those things once I start learning from the best, because the best n EVERYTHING are right here on the net FOR FREE... who would have thought, TH-cam for more than just cat videos!! LOL
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 I agree almost with everything, but.....what's wrong with the pistol squat ?
@@Uolverino7036
It's body weight exercising. Not possible to increment the weight too much, and not measurable, it is a good display of skill, balance, and nothing more, it is as has been said "functional training"
Like the cattle bell swing, how much can you really increment it? and the jerking morons of it all how often or fast can you do it?
Most people cannot even do the pistol squat, but I bet you anyone squatting 400-500 can do it today even if they have never done it, like anyone can bicep curl good weight if they can deadlift 400-500 even if they haven't done curls in a while.
It is good to distinguish SKILL exercises with the other basic exercises. In explosive exercises you can only lift a portion of what you can do otherwise.
He stated that strength training produces structural changes to the body. I assume his belly is one example of it.
He is just clueless about what functional training is.
Functional training is what works best for reaching a specific goal. It could be doing squats, deadlifts and bench press.
Functional training can be adjusted to the sport that you are dealing with .
Does this include kettlebell swings, cleans, presses?
this doesnt include any exercise who will make you stronger.
What about doing sprints & box jumps in a weighted vest. Pretty sure that will make you more explosive?
Just but looking at this guy I’m not convinced. 🤣
He has a good program, and should stick to promoting that. I guess bashing other fitness styles helps impress the type of people who see him as the be all, end all of fitness. He reminds me of John Jaquish who promotes bands, and bashes everything else. Some people can't see the good thing they have, and leave it at that. They have to be more to stay relevant.
What if your sport requires agility, balance, coordination, endurance, stamina, flexibility, speed, or accuracy? 🤔
That is what practice is for.
@@IskurBlast Sure, but not in a way that is measurable or repeatable.
@@Ktmcg2289
What matters is time. An athlete is far better served doing grass drills specific to their sport than "functional training" which isn't worth a damn as strength training or sport specific training.
30 mins of grass drills and 30 mins of strength training is far more effective than 1 hour of "functional training".
What is the sound at 7:18
Functional training is important in rehabilitation, where ones muscles aren't strong enough to support much weight. So, it's definitely not a waste of everybody's time.
Maybe I misunderstood but I'm of the mind that strength is specific, and skill definitely accumulates faster than strength, especially in the untrained.
Doesn‘t apply to weightlifting- there it is combined! Plus: in the shift from low bar squats to high bar, i had a ton of problems including weakness in the hole, mobility ( of course :) Almost like learning how to squat again- couldn‘ t use my aquired strength like that....so i had to develope accurate motor skills first....
He looks as limber as my foot.
But the thing is strong can be specific to a movement pattern, you may be very strong at Bench press but have never done a squat in your life and therefore very weak at a squat. A better example look at pro-arm wrestlers, they have immense strength in their arms mainly biceps and forearms, but can’t necessarily deadlift a lot; check the video where Devon Larratt (a pro arm wrestler) takes on Thor Bjornsson (the worlds strongest man).
What? A big deadlift could mean a big squat, because they involve to a large extent the same musculature. Big foremarms/biceps as you mentioned of course doesn't result in you having a big deadlift, because you solely use the forearms to hold on to the bar and if you're using your biceps you're doing the lift wrong.
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Ola Berglund Okay? So you’ve just proved my point, strength is specific to a movement pattern. You may be strong in a Press but have never done a squat in your life therefore you probably have a weak squat. You may have very strong forearms and biceps and be a very strong arm wrestler but not very strong at any of the big 3 lifts...
@@teodormrdenovic1981 I half agree with you. Strength is definitely related to a specific movement pattern. If you want to get better at a squat, you must squat. If you want to get better at the press, you must press. What RIP is getting at here though is that functional training is not actually training because unless you can use progressive overload, then you are just practicing furkarounditis. Basic strength training will make one all around strong for not only powerlifting but for sport and it's the reason why NFL, hockey, and many other sports use powerlifting movements for their athletes. It just works.
Strength is not specific to movement patterns. It's specific to the muscles trained.
@@greghood1552 if it were true that strength is not movement pattern specific, then quarter squats would be an effective way of training your full squat. Ditto for machine hip extension, leg extension, and leg adduction. Same muscles used, but in a different movement pattern.
If it is not fun, one won't exercise as a lifestyle: healthy.
I am a big fan of SS book. I learned big lifts from the SS book. Also, I am a big fan of Functional Training. I just bought a book: "Functional Training" by Adam Sinicki. I lift weights and perform different functional exercises, kickboxing cardio, etc.
*** Strength ONLY: big, strong, yet (big bellies with unhealthy fat), if one'd like to look as Strong Men. Don't get me wrong. Strong Men are highly respectable!
@startingstrength hey Mark! Want to know about your thoughts on Bilateral heavy lift restricting rotational movement as the T-spine is made to create rotational force as well ?
Wait... you mean the human body is meant to move in THREE planes of motion! 🤯
So there must be more to train than JUST squat, deadlift, press... 😆
The spine is not made to handle large torsional loads, especially not when combined with flexion loads. Each of your vertebra connect to the one before and after through these tiny little muscles which have to handle the torsion loads to keep them from rotating too much - when your back rotates a certain amount form hip to shoulder the total rotational angle is the sum of the angles of each vertebra relative to the next, so each of them is actually designed to rotate very little. A heavy load can easily overwhelm these muscles even though the much larger obliques can handle it just fine, and you can have uneven degrees of rotation causing the vertebra held by the weakest muscles to rotate too much.
It's a really easy way to get injured.
This dude exudes "full of it". You still need to train to do movements properly and recruit muscles properly. There is skill in running properly. Functional training recruits the body in ,da, functional ways. Ways that will improve your overall athleticism. He is refusing to adopt to modern training.
Well, I'm at a loss. I always find it hard to believe a trainer with a big belly. It's just like trust a dentist with rotten teeth.
Strength trainer? Look up strongman...
This ain't bodybuilding; it's STRENGTH training. Mark IS strong.
@@lazur1 yes he is strong, but that belly is unhealthy. Strong does not=fat. His risk for heart disease and diabetes doesn't decrease because he is strong but it does increase because he IS overweight. At this point in his life he would benefit from a little more cardio and a little less max lifts.
@@ajjames1059 Obesity's a dietary matter. Cardio does little to nothing for over-fatness, unless it inspires an all-round change of lifestyle.. We're supposed to be talking about building strength. It's best to be healthy too, & looking good is...good. All 3 can be achieved by those who desire all 3, but the strength component remains the same:1/ Low reps of heavy weights on multi-joint barbell exercises. 2/ Keep adding weight to the bar. Why? Because how much you can lift IS how strong you are.
@@lazur1 Agreed, he is strong. I'm probably on the wrong channel lol.
Functional training works! I'm sick and tired of people pontificating what is training when they themselves are out of shape. Sorry I could not help but notice....
"Physiological adaptation is not specific to a movement pattern". Doesn't this statement fly in the face of the training principle, specificity? A rel.strong bench press does not carry over to a rel.strong squat. By squatting, you develop specific adaptations to improve your ability to squat, otherwise wouldn't all lift's performances fluctuate identically regardless of the training stress? So you program cable fly, snatch and behind the neck push presses for several weeks but your performance on say the squat or deadlift doesn't improve. You're strong at x, then if another movement (y) is appreciable different to x then your relative strength of y is far below what it could be if you had trained y. Thoughts?
Correct - i agree with Rip's final point, that 'functional' training like hammer swings and bosu ball balancing bullshit won't get you stronger and is not specific to the sport i.e. a waste of time... however he fails to recognise that strength in the squat, press and deadlift is specific to those movements just like any other. And since we're NOT performing the Barbell squat, press or deadlift on any sports field, they are not necessarily better movements for improving 'strength for ______' (e.g. football). If you did leg press, dumbbell bench and trap bar deadlifts instead, there's no reason why you would expect worse results on the field.
The squat, press and deadlift are the bare minimum of specificity that allows human anatomy to express its functions through the full range of motion while maintaining your own balance. A squat produces a stronger lower body, which will raise the floor of performance in any skill that requires more specific articulation of the lower body. The same goes for the upper body movements and the press. A leg press, smith machine or cable machine supports you or mangles you into a pose you would otherwise never operate from on the field or walking around. The act of supporting yourself and balancing the weight is what makes the strength gained more generally/broadly useful.
@@zacharytan3912 I would argue that the barbell movements are just as unique from anything on a sports field as any position you would "mangled" into by a machine. They are not uniquely good movements for getting an individual strong for sports that don't involve barbells. They do not not allow the human anatomy to express its 'functions' any better than the movement I listed. They are arbitrary resistance training movements. Doesn't mean they are bad or useless, quite the opposite, i train these lifts myslef, because i like doing them. But if I were a football athlete for example, it wouldn't matter for my sports performance whether I'm squatting or leg pressing
"Both accumulate a physical adaptation..." So it's not a waste of time. Why is that the title of the video?
Adaptation to the skill vs adaptation to the exercise (strength and endurance aside).
So, logically, there is strength training, endurance training, and skill training.
Functional training is just training to get better at functional training with some residual strength and endurance training.
This channel has so much good info
And you haven't even seen the RELATED channels like Barbell Medicine.... there are about four of five related channels, including the one with Santana (long hair guy) about strength training as described here and NUTRITION (actual good nutrition information!! the most elusive of all unicorns!!)
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 dude tell me about it!!! I try hard to gain weight n it's hard as hell a few years ago I was trying to bulk I was taking in 7K calories a day n I gained only 6 lbs in a month. I know about the 5x5s and that you have to lift. Just pick up the weight and put it down but it's the food part that gets me.
Richard Sanchez Drink a gallon of milk a day for 2-3 months while lifting heavy. I was able to go from 168 to 201 pounds this way and now sitting at 190.
@@kaseybuchanan3269 niceee!! Was it hard to cut?
@@richardsanchez9190 cutting is easy as fuck, its hard to GAIN IT
So the understanding is that practicing the only 3 exercises he mentioned (one of them, press is basically only pectoralis) you get the strength needed for some sports ? Sounds kinda simplistic to me. What about training for power and speed which is practically in the courtyard of many sports ?
Thats what practice of the sport is for.
Would you called gymnastic strength , functional ?
.... Can a gymnast, function in their 'gymnastics',..... without strength?
There's no such thing as "gymnastic strength".
Gymnasts don’t deadlift or squat by they’re jacked lol
@@geekaleek Yeah.... Bet they all take Gymnastoroids!
@Likith Magnet Knitting daily produces muscley fingers
I get his point about general strength, however he misses the mark on many points. First of all there is generally athletic strength but there is also specific strength to sports. There are even specific strength within the same sport if we change equipment. If we play golf with persimmon woods, compared to the new modern woods, we use muscles differently and we sequence a bit differently. If we swing hickory clubs the sequencing is different again. This is why if you are used to swinging the newer clubs and then change to train with the persimmon clubs you will actually be sour for a while, just like getting sore when working out. If you’ve never played golf before and you go out and play golf, even when swinging properly you will be sore, even if you are an NFL player who can Bench, Squat and Deadlift a ton. I’ve trained many professional athletes to play golf that aren’t golf strong and can’t do half of what I can do. Now deadlift and squat are important to training and developing athletic strength, and are beneficial to golfers. Yet I’ve seen many golfers overdo their Squat and Deadlift training and it became a detriment to their golf. It needs to be monitored for the given sport based on assessing postural strength, mobility, stability and functional movement. I’ve see golfers of all levels improve tremendously through Functional Training, not just the elite. And it certainly isn’t a waste of time. Maybe his experience with functional training was using improper techniques. I’ve also heard him say that yoga and Pilates are useless for golf. That they don’t develop strength. That is false. They develop strength in the postural muscles that are working 24/7. They also help with flexibility, mobility and stability. All those are functionally important. I’ve been studying fitness and working out for over 40 years, and there are definitely strength issues and muscular endurance issues specific to each sport. It would be much more correct to simply express the benefits of general strength training without bashing the other areas that also have benefits. I understand it is his belief, but his belief doesn’t make it fact.
Does a single person on Earth want to look like this ‘expert’ ?
Exactly
I'm new to the idea of Functional Training, and by no means an expert, but what he describes as Functional Training doesn't appear to be what I've read about. What he calls Functional Training sounds like what I would think of as sport specific strength training. Am I wrong?