Aren't people missing the point of the song..? People are taking the lyrics so literally lol. The song isn't so much about the Zeze character as it is about IU herself, and the image she's been portraying since she started as an artist. Mostly that "aegyo" persona people seem to care so much for with k-pop. Because if someone is seen as cute, there's no way they're anything but that right!?.. Actually the whole album is pretty much her way of speaking of what she has been through in her career as an artist and in the public eye. It's about the public persona she has, the one she portrays, mixed with what people make of her; and about her own individual self, as she is and not as she's said to be. Everyone of us is two people at the same time, the person we are, our thoughts, emotions and actions; and the person others think we are by analizing us and making their own assumptions... And that's what she probably liked about the character Zezé, the way he's seen as either good or bad depending on who's watching. Much like how people online comment about her being a fox or whatever, as if people are all one dimensional and have only one way to go about life all the time with the same face. Honestly I'm not even a fan of her, but I actually liked this last album. She's not even that subtle with her work, but I guess if you aren't interested enough to care you'll only see what you want to see, or what someone else tells you to... Good luck IU :)
I really like your explanation! Her album makes so much more sense now. It's mature but also dark and fascinating. It highlights her life as a singer for sure. She's been through so much and she's expressing it. It's too bad people are lashing out on her when I'm sure this wasn't even her intention.
+High On Life Thank you, that's exaclty how I interpreted it since this album was out. It is so clear to me what she means, and I'm not even her fan too. I just casually listened to this album and liked it much more than her previous ones, so I tried to understand her lyrics and all. People like to hate so much they don't even stop to actually pay attention to what they're hating on.
i find it so amazing that there are people trying to interpret the lyrics in different ways and not just jump the bandwagon of what everyone else is saying... i found this explanation online and i think this is also what she's trying to express through her album (beware this is a long comment, but i assure you, the idea is pretty intriguing) : try to understand that artists don’t always make art simply to cater to the audience. music is also a means for an artist to express themselves. it’s not all about the consumer. this was iu’s first album where she played a large part in production. it’s her first big chance to express herself. the ep is about her trying to find a balance between being an adult and being a child, and between herself and the media’s image of herself. people who have kept up with iu know how things have been for her. she debuted at 15 and gained popularity at age 16. as is generally the case with mainstream media, she was forced into a weird position of being seen as an innocent baby girl and also being seen sexually and appealing to an older male audience. in the past few years, her love life has been under constant speculation by the media, as the mainstream gaze has continued to force her back into the young girl character. she’s gained a lot of antis in the light of her relationship becoming public. as a little girl she was sexualised, but her mature side is infantilized. it’s been a constant dichotomy between these gross tropes for her. “twenty-three” is about her own difficulties being in that stage between real adulthood and childhood; and those difficulties are fortified by the media treating her like a doll. the album pictures seemed to reflect some common features of the “lolita” trope. this is not her glorifying childhood sexual abuse, it’s her showing us the image that’s already been made for her. she plays with the boundaries of maturity and innocence because it’s a boundary she’s forced to confront, and she wants to express that in her album. iu never wanted to be seen as an oversexualised little girl. no one wants that. but now, she has chosen to present herself like that; not as a sexual object, but as insight into this facet the media has created of her. ultimately, the idea is that iu should not fit into that trope-it’s concept, now, an album concept. it’s an exaggerated view of herself. when the media unironically presents her as a lolita, everyone takes it into stride, but when she presents it herself as a means of speculation, everyone’s ready to torch her. it’s just not as two-dimensional as you want it to be.
thesupperkittylover Well, yeah, that's a more generic view, it's about her whole album. I agree with that. I also find people that criticise her lolita concept hypocritical. The industry is permeated with lolita concepts. What do people think the innocent school girl concept is about? Why do so many grown men like young girl groups wearing school uniforms and acting cute? It seems innocent, but it has some sexual undertones, they're subtle, but not even that much if you think about it. Do those men like those kind of groups only because of the music? Obviously not. IU only brought up the issue and made it visible, and it made people uncomfortable, but really, who criticises her for it is a hypocrite.
SaitouIzumi yes i agree, there a lolita concepts EVERYWHERE in kpop but that one time where IU addresses the problem and call out on it, people backlash and call her a pedophile. wheres the common sense in that? school uniforms, uncle fans, songs about 'oppa'... how can they support concept like these but by hypocrites...
actually the first time I heard the song, I thought it was interesting. I never thought that it was this addicting, and I keep on repeating this song. And I think IU is clever enough to create this song.
There are some people who think that she got some huge backlash, LOL NO SHE DIDN'T. Her concerts continued on, even well known celebrities supported and guested on her shows. Her CFs didn't get cancelled, in fact a soju company renewed the contract. She was an MC at SBS gayodaejon and performed the epic diss song 23. She's starring in a drama. She's also holding 7 concerts in China. If you look up the Gallup poll, she's still #1 in idol ranking (even when the 'controversy' broke out). I think she's also the most subscribed artist on melon. CONTINUE TO SLAY IU. This is how you respond to netizens.
hikari yuri to keep it short she had a controversy with this song. The netizens claimed that it is pedophilic. Second was with her twenty three MV claiming that it has a lollita theme.
다 책에 나오는 표현이고, 곡 설명 자체가 밍기뉴와 제제의 관계가 남녀 사이에서 투닥대는 모습 같아서 그 모습을 가사로 쓴 거임. 그리고 제제가 섹시하다고 한 것도, 섹시하다고 하기 전에 “제제에게 하는 말은 아니다”라고 했는데 이 말이 어느 언론에도 없었음. 그냥 자기 듣고싶은 대로 믿고싶은 대로 믿는 사람들 때문에 커진 진짜 단순 루머였음
그 아이유가 제제 노래 나의라임오렌지나무 중 한 장면읆 모티브해서 쓴 곡이에용 여러사람들이 제제에게 너는 악마야 아니 너는 천사야 아니 너는 장난끼가 심해 등 여러 모순점이 되는 말들을 한다 그 말을 들은 제제는 본인 스스로를 악마라고 생각한다 이 장면을 보고 가사를 쓰게 되었다고 했어요 그래서 가사에 여러사람들이 제제에게 했던 나쁜 말들이 나오죠
+XxMaplerzxX there's microphones, the ones that are really high quality but super expensive that reduce outside noise and you can only hear the voice. she's using those I'm sure. even in hee concerts she sounds exactly the same as studio, even better.
I admire her because some singers would just go with the netizens and would apologize and would take the song off their album but she apologize and gave her piece about the song and is still singing this song
Zeze is my favorite song by IU. I love her song composing way, reminding me of my days when I was at this age (23). I used to write a diary and always told my story by splitting myself into two entities: one was me under the others' perspective and one was me under my own view. It somehow matches what I found she wanted to tell in the song: both the tree and Zeze were IU. The latter was IU under mundane eyes (innocent, clever, but also dirty with something hidden inside), the former was IU herself, never cared what others think of her, wanted to pacify herself, and got herself (Zeze) rid of from the others, recognizing self-esteem (kiss the leaves, take only flowers - the most beautiful thing, don't hurt the tree - herself). In Confusious countries, we have a proverb ''Purity doesn't need others to purify itself.'' and I esteem her by always keeping silent from all of those made-up stories and scandals around since then and have left behind all those stupid stuff. What a strong girl! Just a few more words after reading other comments. I myself find that IU doesn't want her to be considered as anything relating to sexuality. I listen to almost all of her songs and watch soooo many of her MVs as well as FMVs or fancams from her concert. She can appear in a sexy manner if she wants, as in a gangnam style dancing video I've watched. But it rarely happens, I even can say that it only happened once or twice in her early career, when she was young and wanted to try everything.
제제를 처음 들었을 때 '와 가사 정말 잘 썼다! 역시 징짱💕' 이러고 혼자 좋아하면서 계속 제제만 들었는데 며칠 후 언론 반응보고 진짜 충격 먹었었던.. 너무도 말도 안되게 심하게 몰아가서 제제가 약간 아픈손가락이었는데 이제는 안아파해도 될 것 같네요ㅠㅠ 이제라도 알아주셔서 감사합니다ㅠ
0:51 you know what? The background vocalist was 제휘(Je-Hwi, Kim) who composed 밤편지(All through the Night), 이지금(dlwlrma) and 언럭키(Unlucky) of IU albums, also making 디어문 Dear Moon (in OST 나의 아저씨). Travia is that Je-Hwi was only 19 years old (만으로) at the time of this clip. He has been a fan of IU before making debut as composer and arranger.
I'm still convinced this song is actually about her coming up in the music industry. I remember when she started people thought she was mean or rude for some reason. Once they got to know her it was all about how well she played the guitar "Stroking sounds with those little fingers," how well she sang (see Good Day) "Singing of colors and sights in your ticklish voice," the clever puns she made (See Heroes), and how wise she was for someone so young and cute. Alot of artists, genuine artists, make allusions to themselves or other things in their music or artwork. So I'm pretty certain Zeze is supposed to be her and the tree is the music industry or people in the music industry.
Love your interpretation! I totally agree with you. I think she is talking about herself and how the public and industry sexualised her when she was a child. They are the people who give singers hate for "Lolita" concepts, yet they are the ones perpetuating it and buying into it.
@@MegaXavi999 No she said she found the personality of the character charming and sexy. As in a Zeze who has grown up but has retained that personality. Her statement was mistranslated and antis started spreading it everywhere.
for those who don't know, this song is inspired in a classic romance of brazilian literature, "Meu Pé de Laranja Lima" (the translation is "My Sweet-Orange Tree" i guess). the lyrics tell the tree's perspective in the story line. you can search for the book, it is amazing !!
Yeah, and before the controversy the song was about an orange tree that could communicate with a and was friends with a somewhat naughty little boy. During the controversy the song was about an orange tree that could communicate with a and was friends with a somewhat naughty little boy. After the controversy the song was about an orange tree....
i personally think IU wrote the lyrics in the perspective of the audience. she garnered interest when the audience started seeing her as a lolita; even though she was called the "nation's little sister/daughter" so many still blatantly expressed interest in her just because they found her like an easy sexual targeti feel like IU's essentially trying to parody what the public has created for her, a sexual image of a young, easy girl to take advantage of, so she wrote these suggestive lyrics as if people were saying it about her. it's like she's saying, "i am zeze, a young boy who is only a character and cannot speak up against these pedophilic opinions to protect myself." even when the controversy hit, she couldn't say that this is how she wrote the song, because there would only be more backlash and hate and the public would go crazy saying "no one thought of you that way! you're the problematic one thinking that people depicted you as a lolita! stop making things up to protect your image!" and so on, so she had to respond with just saying that her interpretation was different. honestly, she's been objectified and sexualized ever since she was 15, there would be no reason for her to write a song suggesting pedophilia unless it would be to parody what the public said of her.
I completely agree with this! The lyrics in Zeze are a thematic companion to Twenty-Tree. After reading your thoughts, I also thought that the "tree" in the song sounds like a symbolic representation of the Kpop industry. Which makes sense with the lyrics "climb up me", "take the only flower" as awards, and the sense of directed rules of not hurting said tree structure. Honestly it makes so much sense that she's low-key critiquing the Kpop industry with these two songs (I haven't checked all the lyrics for the other ones on the album), and also did not seek to promote it on charting music shows because she doesn't need to.
this is exactly the reason. IU was zeze for her entire career. IN this song, Zeze is the public, IU is the predator. that why it makes the public uncomfortable, because she turns the table against the them. Now that the public is the prey. IU is just trying to put the mirror up to the public for them to feel what she been feeling this entire time. She is ofcourse not blaming the public, but she merely pointing out the way that young female entertainers are consumed by the general public, even unconsciously. THe public is blaming her for instigating pedophilia intentions, without realizing their nature of the consumption is pedophilia to begin with. ANd it's ironic for people to be mad at her now from here regarding this issue. Why? It's because they were not upset when she was actually used from her earlier career till now as AN ACTUAL TARGET for pedophile. Yet, they are upset now when she is on the other side of the table? Are they upset now that a former target is now the predator? I cannot comprehend that logic. Many argued that no one force IU to have the image she had earlier in her career. That is true. IU, compare to other young female idols, actually have a higher self-awareness. She invited/created that image herself. She know that will be how she can sell her music in the society she is in. She is not blaming the public, she is merely POINTING out what they have been obliviously this whole time. She is one of the luckier one who know what she was doing, but that does not mean the other young female idols did. Looking at how young female idols are still create and market nowadays. It's sad that the public is only mad about pedophilia when it throw right in their face, get upset, and then come back and consume the same stuff. It's hypocritical for people to say IU is a pedophile when they all are in some unconscious way. All in all, I see the backlash against IU is not about moral, right or wrong. It just people are being upset that she reveal the inconvenient truth to them. THey are upset that she let them see how bad they actually look.
That makes so much sense! In the song Glasses, there's the line " Even if someone wrote me a hint I can’t read it because it’s written too small I can only start digging little by little Still, I don’t want to wear glasses" It could easily refer to the ignorance of Kpop fans and their refusal to accept the realities of their Idols. They fans refusing to look at the dark side of the industry, instead only enjoying the products of Idol's suffering.
@승일현 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 이분 완전 악질이시네 정신차리세요 이젠 당신같은 사람들한테 뭐라 하기도 귀찮습니다 말도 안듣는데 뭘더러 얘기해야하나 싶기도 하고... 성적대상화요??? 성적대상화곡이라는 말 자체가 말도 안되는 소리고 스캔의 경우는 십년인가 지났던 일인데 또 뭐라고 엮으시네 얼버무리다뇨 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 뭔말을 그렇게 이상하게 하시나 그리고 간혹가다가 어느분들은 지금이라도 사과하라고 하시던데 예의상 언급자체를 하면 안됩니다 ALSO '매도'라는 단어의 정확한 뜻은 알고나 계신지요? '심하게 욕하며 나무람,값을 받고 물건의 소유권을 남에게 팔아 넘김' 맥락에 맏지도 않은 단어들을 쓰는것과 동시에 말같지도 않은 글들을 적고 계시네요....
Consider how self-referential the whole Chatshire album is (taking back identity, coming of age, empowerment through self-deprecation/reflection), Zeze appears to be an allegorical approach to her feelings and moods at that point in her career. IU has a history of acknowledging social stigmas through her work. Tackling sensitive topics such as yellow journalism/media, discriminatory public personas, SNS haters/bullies, depression, suicide, love, loss, sleeping disorders etc... This whole album revolves around a heightened fantasy world liken to 'It is a mad mad world' in Alice in wonderland. Where Alice is both the victim and the heroine is forced to take on an introspective journey through the looking glass, examining various perspectives/creatures to fulfill personal growth and self-actualization. This reference also appears later in Palette and Bbibbi for example IU is a clever storyteller and artistic jester with her unique sonnets/limericks/metaphors to continue to play around public perceptions. I hope she remains pure-hearted in this approach and never loses that sense of artistic innocence and wonder and bow down to commercial pressures. Luckily years later, I think she never did. Congrats on the upcoming 918 x 12! May you continue to be unique, creative, authentic, bold, and brave! 👍
제제에서 밍기뉴는 약간 아낌없이 주는 나무같음 나무에 올라와라는 가사는 실제 책에도 있는 밍기뉴가 제제에게 올라타라고 하고 제제가 그 위에 올라가 말타는 것처럼 노는 장면임 어린잎을 가져가 하나뿐인 꽃을 가져가 라는 가사는 사람들이 이상하게 생각하는데 그냥 보면 제제에게 아낌없이 줄려하는 밍기뉴가 생각나야되지않나 그리고 더러워,교활하지 등은 사실 투명한,순진해 의 모순된 가사들 아이유는 제제가 모순된 아이라고 생각했다 했음 천사같지만 악마같은 아이.애초에 가정폭력당했다는 제제얘기보단 모순된 제제와 밍기뉴의 입장만을 노래에 담은거같다고 생각함
I just don't get why people are so angry? Yes, her inspiration for this song was from the tale/book and the korean book publisher doesn't like how she interpretted it the way she did. BUT as an ARTIST, isin't it their job to find inspiration from all sorts of things to come up with songs/art/fashion based on their own interpretation? That's the beauty of art and music, imagine if she just wrote the song based on what the author of the book wrote, then wouldn't that just be copying? And this is her first time writing all her songs in the album and i love that the lyrics aren't just about the usual boy-meets-girl-falls-in-love or some nonsense. All her songs have a backstory and depth. It's really a shame how people can't appreciate art sometimes.
+PincessSakura9 just fyi, it was the 'korean publisher' that had an opinion about her song, not the author. therefore it was another 3rd party interpretation that is not reflective of the author's opinion
+Tuyết Nhi honestly she was talking about pedophile concepts but zeze was reflecting HERSELF. did you not understand that iu was challenging the music industry's views on girl images? we see all those 15 year old girls, wearing short short skirts, skimpy outfits, singing about their oppas. they are WORSHIPPED by uncle fans but when iu addresses this topic everyone back lashes on her. ius image was sexualized herself back then. started with marshmellow, boo, good day... she IS zeze and every character in her book is pieces of her.
Tuyết Nhi In her apology letter, she mentioned that it wasn't the boy she found "sexy" but more the ambiguity of his temper or temper itself. Like how people find confidence sexy. So if i say i like seeing kids being confident does that automatically make me a pedophilia?? Because i think confidence is sexy. And wtf the hole in the tree???? Lets be real i dont think that signifies anything R-18, stop finding flaws with every single thing. It doesn't make sense. Next, you might as well say that her hair is disrespectful to cancer patients because that's how unrelated the hole in the tree is? As for the books, like her whole album and her song, 23 its just comparing contradictions. "Delicate" and "Discipline" are contradictions and the Leon book also represents contradictions because the character Leon is a twelve yr old girl who smokes and plays with guns and yet she's also delicate in a sense that she falls in love. There's just so many ways to find fault/defend IU but my point is. As an artist, IU deserves to release songs creatively without being bashed and forced to apologize. How else will the artistic industry grow if not?
Yeah, like even the Producer of the movie "Hope" goes against her, the publisher of the book goes against her, 2/3 of Korean fans, 1/2 Chinese fans and almost all of Vietnamese fans... they all must be wrong. At least she apologize, but you know what, now her fans started to blamed her boyfriend for this, and her apology seems more like "yeah I admitted that it's my fault, whatever, it's you who interpreted it wrongly. Yeah the problem is you."
@@yeqbyeqb 예술엔 성역이 없죠....그 옛날 사람들도 성스러운것에 섹츄얼함을 느끼기도 하고 혐오스러운것에 아름다움을 느낀다고 히듯이...신성모독죄를 받았듯이... 학대 받은이들을 특별히 취급한 것보다 그냥 사람의 양면성을 나타낸걸로 보면 안될까요..? 저는 오히려 위로를 받았습니다.어릴때 제제만큼은 아니지만 아버제께 의자로 맞고 머리에 14바늘을 꼬맨적도 있는데 말이죠. 사람은 다 각자의 해석이 있지만 학대받은 이들을 싸잡아 대변하고 동정하진 말아주세요.
흥미로운 듯, 씩 올라가는 입꼬리 좀 봐 그 웃음만 봐도 알아 분명히 너는 짓궂어 아아, 이름이 아주 예쁘구나 계속 부르고 싶어 말하지 못하는 나쁜 상상이 사랑스러워 조그만 손가락으로 소리를 만지네 간지러운 그 목소리로 색과 풍경을 노래 부르네 yeah 제제, 어서 나무에 올라와 잎사귀에 입을 맞춰 장난치면 못써 나무를 아프게 하면 못써 못써 제제, 어서 나무에 올라와 여기서 제일 어린잎을 가져가 하나뿐인 꽃을 꺾어가 Climb up me Climb up me 꽃을 피운 듯, 발그레해진 저 두 뺨을 봐 넌 아주 순진해 그러나 분명 교활하지 어린아이처럼 투명한 듯해도 어딘가는 더러워 그 안에 무엇이 살고 있는지, 알 길이 없어 당장에 머리 위엔 햇살을 띄우지만 어렴풋이 보이는 너의 속은 먹구름과 닿아있네 oh 제제, 어서 나무에 올라와 잎사귀에 입을 맞춰 장난치면 못써 나무를 아프게 하면 못써 못써 제제, 어서 나무에 올라와 여기서 제일 어린잎을 가져가 하나뿐인 꽃을 꺾어가 Climb up me Climb up me 한 번 더 닿고 싶어 여기서 매일 너를 기다려 전부 가지러 오렴 다시 부르고 싶어 여기서 매일 너를 기다려 얄밉게 돌아가도 내일 밤에 또 보러 올 거지 제제, 어서 나무에 올라와 잎사귀에 입을 맞춰 장난치면 못써 나무를 아프게 하면 못써 못써 제제, 어서 나무에 올라와 여기서 제일 어린잎을 가져가 하나뿐인 꽃을 꺾어가 Climb up me Climb up me
아이유 스물셋 가요대전 풀린 기념으로 챗셔 정주행 하러 왔습니다ㅠㅜㅜ진짜 이때도 지금도 이해안되는 제제 논란......아직도 확신하는 건 그때 아이유 깠던 것들은 나의라임오렌지나무 읽어보지도 않은 멍청한 것들임. 나는 이 노래 나왔을당시에 막 나의라임오렌지나무 읽고 빠져있을 때였는데 이 노래 듣고 진짜 오래 흥얼거리고 그랬었는데 이 책을 읽은 이상 그딴 말 입에 담을 수 없음 진짜..
곡이 나왔을 당시에도 지금도 이해가 되지 않는 논란... 로리타고 성적 표현이라며 까대던 사람들 중 과연 그 책을 완독했던 사람들이 얼마나 될까 싶었다ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 책을 읽었다면 이 곡이 그렇게 들리진 않았을 텐데. 애초에 가사를 그런 식으로 해석했던 사람들은 대체 머릿속에 뭐가 들었을까 싶고.
As a Brazilian who read the book in its original language, if there is any difference, the only thing I can say is that people took the music very literally. I believe that nobody would write a song with that kind of intention. The book was probably used as a metaphor for what she really set out to say.
Those who commented negatively about this song didn't understood it, or even tried to. Furthermore if they just bought her album they would have understood it, it can be seen on Zeze track page, she was on a tree. Geez, the concept was her being somewhat Zeze, in the music industry.
I find it ridiculous that some critics are saying that IU "misinterpreted" the character of Zezé... lmao, it's up to the reader to interpret a character however he or she wants. Writing is a form of art, and all pieces of art are allowed to be defined differently by each person.
@@mogumogu7774 The publisher apologized to IU, few days after the start of the controversy, saying they were sorry for not respecting the diversity in interpretation.
***** Not all Korean fans think like that, just some knetizens with too much time on their hands and hate. By the way, I'm not a fan of her, I'm Cassiopeia fan (I love TVXQ and JYJ) and a Cloud (Rain fan) and I know all this media manipulation and netizens craziness, to well. I just love the songs and think she has a great live voice.
Like I said, I'm not a fan so I don't know how bad things are, I don't follow Naver or Pan to read about IU. Hope things will go better for her 'coz she is a great young voice. If you are a fan of her and a Korean and have time maybe you should speak with other Korean fans and trying post good things about her and defend her. The more the merrier. Good luck, seems like she needs it. I will never ever get why Kpeople are so adamant with their hate.
From the lyrics, I don't get why people hate her. Well, everyone have their own opinion. I still love IU and her music. She's really talented, unique and so cute
Somehow IU imaginary mind are so out there, she real but it not what people want, she just do what she thinks in her mind, i dont care what people say, i still really respect IU...
이 노래가 발매된 후 여러가지 논란이 있었고 몇 달이 지난 연말 콘서트에서 아이유는 "제가 변함없이 사랑하는 곡을 들려드리겠다"라며 제제를 불렀는데 개인적으로 2015년의 명장면 중에 하나가 아닐까 생각합니다. 소재가 더 자극적인 논란에 나는 그런 의도로 곡을 쓴 게 아니라는 걸 일관되게 말하는
lol i find it so funny that there are foreign fans here going on and on about the controversy, but i read most of the korean comments and they're all just saying how lovely iu is and how much they enjoy the song...
Exactly!! International fans need to realise that the translations are not going to be 100% accurate, for example the word 'dirty' in this is not meant in a sexual way but in the literal meaning 'dirty, filthy' as in dirt (it was symbolising the abuse and poverty).
![[Special Clip] IU(아이유) _ The shower(푸르던) [ENG SUB]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TRTquokWSCw/mqdefault.jpg)
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![[Special Clip] IU(아이유)_Sleepless rainy night(잠 못 드는 밤 비는 내리고)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/m7mvpe1fVa4/mqdefault.jpg)
![[IU] 'eight' Acoustic Ver. Live Clip](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/tJM0yIbg8iQ/mqdefault.jpg)
정말 가사를...당신은 정말 천재적이군요 대중가요을 문학으로 어쩜 이렇게 매력적인 독후감을 쓸 수 있나요
Aren't people missing the point of the song..? People are taking the lyrics so literally lol. The song isn't so much about the Zeze character as it is about IU herself, and the image she's been portraying since she started as an artist. Mostly that "aegyo" persona people seem to care so much for with k-pop. Because if someone is seen as cute, there's no way they're anything but that right!?..
Actually the whole album is pretty much her way of speaking of what she has been through in her career as an artist and in the public eye. It's about the public persona she has, the one she portrays, mixed with what people make of her; and about her own individual self, as she is and not as she's said to be. Everyone of us is two people at the same time, the person we are, our thoughts, emotions and actions; and the person others think we are by analizing us and making their own assumptions... And that's what she probably liked about the character Zezé, the way he's seen as either good or bad depending on who's watching. Much like how people online comment about her being a fox or whatever, as if people are all one dimensional and have only one way to go about life all the time with the same face.
Honestly I'm not even a fan of her, but I actually liked this last album. She's not even that subtle with her work, but I guess if you aren't interested enough to care you'll only see what you want to see, or what someone else tells you to...
Good luck IU :)
I really like your explanation! Her album makes so much more sense now. It's mature but also dark and fascinating. It highlights her life as a singer for sure. She's been through so much and she's expressing it. It's too bad people are lashing out on her when I'm sure this wasn't even her intention.
+High On Life Thank you, that's exaclty how I interpreted it since this album was out. It is so clear to me what she means, and I'm not even her fan too. I just casually listened to this album and liked it much more than her previous ones, so I tried to understand her lyrics and all. People like to hate so much they don't even stop to actually pay attention to what they're hating on.
i find it so amazing that there are people trying to interpret the lyrics in different ways and not just jump the bandwagon of what everyone else is saying... i found this explanation online and i think this is also what she's trying to express through her album
(beware this is a long comment, but i assure you, the idea is pretty intriguing) : try to understand that artists don’t always make art simply to cater to the audience. music is also a means for an artist to express themselves. it’s not all about the consumer.
this was iu’s first album where she played a large part in production. it’s her first big chance to express herself. the ep is about her trying to find a balance between being an adult and being a child, and between herself and the media’s image of herself.
people who have kept up with iu know how things have been for her. she debuted at 15 and gained popularity at age 16. as is generally the case with mainstream media, she was forced into a weird position of being seen as an innocent baby girl and also being seen sexually and appealing to an older male audience. in the past few years, her love life has been under constant speculation by the media, as the mainstream gaze has continued to force her back into the young girl character. she’s gained a lot of antis in the light of her relationship becoming public. as a little girl she was sexualised, but her mature side is infantilized. it’s been a constant dichotomy between these gross tropes for her.
“twenty-three” is about her own difficulties being in that stage between real adulthood and childhood; and those difficulties are fortified by the media treating her like a doll. the album pictures seemed to reflect some common features of the “lolita” trope. this is not her glorifying childhood sexual abuse, it’s her showing us the image that’s already been made for her. she plays with the boundaries of maturity and innocence because it’s a boundary she’s forced to confront, and she wants to express that in her album.
iu never wanted to be seen as an oversexualised little girl. no one wants that. but now, she has chosen to present herself like that; not as a sexual object, but as insight into this facet the media has created of her. ultimately, the idea is that iu should not fit into that trope-it’s concept, now, an album concept. it’s an exaggerated view of herself. when the media unironically presents her as a lolita, everyone takes it into stride, but when she presents it herself as a means of speculation, everyone’s ready to torch her. it’s just not as two-dimensional as you want it to be.
thesupperkittylover
Well, yeah, that's a more generic view, it's about her whole album. I agree with that. I also find people that criticise her lolita concept hypocritical. The industry is permeated with lolita concepts. What do people think the innocent school girl concept is about? Why do so many grown men like young girl groups wearing school uniforms and acting cute? It seems innocent, but it has some sexual undertones, they're subtle, but not even that much if you think about it. Do those men like those kind of groups only because of the music? Obviously not. IU only brought up the issue and made it visible, and it made people uncomfortable, but really, who criticises her for it is a hypocrite.
SaitouIzumi yes i agree, there a lolita concepts EVERYWHERE in kpop but that one time where IU addresses the problem and call out on it, people backlash and call her a pedophile. wheres the common sense in that? school uniforms, uncle fans, songs about 'oppa'... how can they support concept like these but by hypocrites...
'아이유 이제 망했네' 란 말도 서스럼없이 했던 시기
23살의 여가수 한명을 묻어버리기로 작정한듯한 그 악플들은 진짜 끔찍했다.
이 시기를 버텨주고 지금까지 노래 해주는 아이유가 너무 대단하다.
그릇이 얼마나 큰 사람인지 가늠도 안된다.
아이유좋아하나요?
내가보기엔노래좋은데
도대체 무슨 일이 있던거에요 !.??
@@tnlqwldksgsp 감사해요..이렇게 정성을 담아서 얘기해주실 줄은...몰랐어요
이유있는 질타였어요.. 외국인들도 성적대상화라고 입모아말했구요
이때 아이유 망했다며 온갖 비난 쏟아내고 헐뜯어서 팬으로서 참 힘들었는데.. 그래서 챗셔가 유독 더 애틋한 느낌 ㅠ 보란듯이 더 당당하게 활동해서 이제는 팬마저도 그런 비난은 우스운 위치에 올라선게 너무 자랑스럽다 아이유 파이팅!!
International fans will support IU forever!
Yes we will! at least I hope we are more open minded
+sunny lokching yes we should, despite all the controversy even tho it isn't that big deal, people are so overacting
Right! Here China hands up!
yay
forever is a strong word
목소리가 어떻게 저러냐.. 빨려들어간다 작사작곡까지잘해 감각도 뛰어나 예쁜데 똑부러지기까지 진짜 대박이네
actually the first time I heard the song, I thought it was interesting. I never thought that it was this addicting, and I keep on repeating this song. And I think IU is clever enough to create this song.
I agree w/ u
챗셔앨범이 벌써 8년전이라니~ 아이유 왜 안늙어 ㅋ 제제 라이브는 역시 언제들어도 굿~
솔직히 아이유처럼 다양한 노래 장르 소화하고 연기까지 잘하는 연예인은 없는 듯.... 정말 재능 많은 사람임
캐럿캐럿 전 순신이 역할 드라마 재미있게 봤는데 드림하이랑ㅎㅎ
연기 잘하는 편임 타 아이돌에 비하면
+달의연인도
@@yeonpong2 ㄹㅇ 띵작이죠 구그달에 묻혔지만요ㅠㅠ
@@로이드-t7o 진짜 인정이에요 ㅠㅠ 띵작인데 아쉽... 이번 아는형님에 이준기랑 아이유 나온대서 기대된다구요뮤ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
There are some people who think that she got some huge backlash, LOL NO SHE DIDN'T. Her concerts continued on, even well known celebrities supported and guested on her shows. Her CFs didn't get cancelled, in fact a soju company renewed the contract. She was an MC at SBS gayodaejon and performed the epic diss song 23. She's starring in a drama. She's also holding 7 concerts in China. If you look up the Gallup poll, she's still #1 in idol ranking (even when the 'controversy' broke out). I think she's also the most subscribed artist on melon. CONTINUE TO SLAY IU. This is how you respond to netizens.
Who was 23 dissing? o:
+kedd netizens.
IU❤💘💘💘
marix I don't understand why what happened exactly to my lovely iu??
hikari yuri to keep it short she had a controversy with this song. The netizens claimed that it is pedophilic. Second was with her twenty three MV claiming that it has a lollita theme.
아니 진짜 가사를 어떻게 이렇게 쓸 수가 있지? 진짜 천재인가? 가사 하나하나가 다 소름 돋게 너무 좋음.. 특히 2절 가사가 진짜 대박 적으로 너무 좋음. 진짜 제제는 듣자마자 책 읽는 기분이었음 갠적으로 아이유노래중 제제가 젤 최애곡 하 그리고 너무 이뻐
나도 이노래가 아이유 최애곡 ㅎㅎ
나두 좋아 좋아..대체 뭐가 비판적으로 글 하나하나세겨 듣는지ㅡㅡ이상혀.. 꼬인사람들만 모임?
극공감 ㅠㅠ 진짜 챗셔는 명반인것 같아요
다 책에 나오는 표현이고, 곡 설명 자체가 밍기뉴와 제제의 관계가 남녀 사이에서 투닥대는 모습 같아서 그 모습을 가사로 쓴 거임. 그리고 제제가 섹시하다고 한 것도, 섹시하다고 하기 전에 “제제에게 하는 말은 아니다”라고 했는데 이 말이 어느 언론에도 없었음. 그냥 자기 듣고싶은 대로 믿고싶은 대로 믿는 사람들 때문에 커진 진짜 단순 루머였음
지금 책읽었는데
공감입니다
책 안읽었나봐요
다른 사람들은
@@레몬-d7d 그러니까요... 책 표현대로 가사에 인용한건데... 논란 뜨는것도 지금 생각하니까 웃겨요.
그 출판사가 가장 문제였죠
그 아이유가 제제 노래 나의라임오렌지나무 중 한 장면읆 모티브해서 쓴 곡이에용
여러사람들이 제제에게 너는 악마야 아니 너는 천사야 아니 너는 장난끼가 심해 등 여러 모순점이 되는 말들을 한다 그 말을 들은 제제는 본인 스스로를 악마라고 생각한다
이 장면을 보고 가사를 쓰게 되었다고 했어요 그래서 가사에 여러사람들이 제제에게 했던 나쁜 말들이 나오죠
진짜 기레기들;;;;
her voice sounds exactly like the studio ver. wtf
It is possible that they auto-tuned it.
+Yuki Vin I mean though, since they're performing outside, why can't I hear any wind or other noise?
+XxMaplerzxX there's microphones, the ones that are really high quality but super expensive that reduce outside noise and you can only hear the voice. she's using those I'm sure. even in hee concerts she sounds exactly the same as studio, even better.
*****
I did say that it's possible, I'm not accusing her.
I think there are just some tweaks made but her real voice still shines, as usual
솔직히 이 앨범에서 이 노래 제일 좋아해 너무 예뻐
이 노래는 들을수록 쩌는게 리듬감임. 그냥 리듬만으로도 들을 가치가 있는 노래라 ㅠㅠ 어떻게 안되겠나? 이런 노래 다시 나왔으면 좋겠음.
하루전 ㄷㄷ
스텔라장 빌런이랑 좀 비슷한 분위기임
@@hjqueen4802이야 *우리 혜진이* 1년 전부터 이러고 있었넼ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@hjqueen4802혹시 이러면 님 인생이 조금이라도 나아지나요?
I admire her because some singers would just go with the netizens and would apologize and would take the song off their album but she apologize and gave her piece about the song and is still singing this song
ikr that's why i love her so much
와 이노래 예전에 앨범 발매할때 한번듣고 지금 다시들었는데 너무좋네요 이번 팔레트도 그렇고 아이유노래는 점점 개성넘쳐지는거같아요
이제야 고백하지만 전 저 앨범 노래에 반해서 그때서야 아이유님 팬 됐습니다. 스물셋도 좋았지만 제제란 노래에 더 많이 반해서 팬이 되버린 기억이 있어요..여전히 즐겨 듣고있습니다!💜
저도에여...갠적으로 체셔앨범의 기묘하면서도 경쾌한 분위기에 확 끌려서 팬이 된것 같아요
저도요...원래 아이유 관심없던편이었는데 이노래랑 스물셋이 너무너무 취향이었어요 ...
저도요 째지하고 넘나취향임
Love the brazilian reference in this song.
where?
the solarine That's right. :)
And the cover of the album is also a reference to the book.
+Diego Alexandrino que massa gente, amei
Adorei tbm dps q eu percebi Iu sempre arrasando 😍😍😍😄💕
챗셔앨범은 진짜 최곤듯.. 아이유 팬은아닌데 이 앨범은 전곡재생
이 앨범 전곡재생=유애나(아이유 팬클럽이름)
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
팬은 아닌데 이런말하면 찐팬같아요
이 앨범은 진짜 버릴게 없음
ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 본인만 팬 아니라고 알고 있는
경우. 이 앨범 곡들 다 다르게 좋아요. 요즘은 멜로디 없는 노래가 너무 많아서 ㅜㅜ 지금 보면 가사도 딱 그 나이때 고민할만한 성숙함과 귀여움이 다 있는데 솔직하기도 하고
@@user-nu1is8ew7n이앨범은 버릴 '수' 있는게 없음
15년도 아이유 너무 사랑함 나의 최애 앨범 챗셔💜
Zeze is my favorite song by IU. I love her song composing way, reminding me of my days when I was at this age (23). I used to write a diary and always told my story by splitting myself into two entities: one was me under the others' perspective and one was me under my own view. It somehow matches what I found she wanted to tell in the song: both the tree and Zeze were IU. The latter was IU under mundane eyes (innocent, clever, but also dirty with something hidden inside), the former was IU herself, never cared what others think of her, wanted to pacify herself, and got herself (Zeze) rid of from the others, recognizing self-esteem (kiss the leaves, take only flowers - the most beautiful thing, don't hurt the tree - herself).
In Confusious countries, we have a proverb ''Purity doesn't need others to purify itself.'' and I esteem her by always keeping silent from all of those made-up stories and scandals around since then and have left behind all those stupid stuff. What a strong girl!
Just a few more words after reading other comments. I myself find that IU doesn't want her to be considered as anything relating to sexuality. I listen to almost all of her songs and watch soooo many of her MVs as well as FMVs or fancams from her concert. She can appear in a sexy manner if she wants, as in a gangnam style dancing video I've watched. But it rarely happens, I even can say that it only happened once or twice in her early career, when she was young and wanted to try everything.
제제를 처음 들었을 때 '와 가사 정말 잘 썼다! 역시 징짱💕' 이러고 혼자 좋아하면서 계속 제제만 들었는데 며칠 후 언론 반응보고 진짜 충격 먹었었던..
너무도 말도 안되게 심하게 몰아가서 제제가 약간 아픈손가락이었는데 이제는 안아파해도 될 것 같네요ㅠㅠ
이제라도 알아주셔서 감사합니다ㅠ
I love this song, I love IU unconditionally. We shouldn't blame everything on her, just enjoy her style, her music and her afford.
0:51 you know what? The background vocalist was 제휘(Je-Hwi, Kim) who composed 밤편지(All through the Night), 이지금(dlwlrma) and 언럭키(Unlucky) of IU albums, also making 디어문 Dear Moon (in OST 나의 아저씨). Travia is that Je-Hwi was only 19 years old (만으로) at the time of this clip. He has been a fan of IU before making debut as composer and arranger.
이때 진짜 힘들었을 때인데 버텨준 아이유가 그저 고마울 뿐.....ㅠㅠ
이 앨범 이후 음악활동은 2017년 밤편지,사랑이 잘,팔레트로 컴백할때까지 1년이 넘는 공백기가 있었던 만큼 정말 많이 힘들었다고 생각합니다.
이때 별 같잖은 어이없는 이유로 욕 엄청먹고 사람들 입에 엄청 오르내릴때 챗셔 팬싸가 있었는데 나와줬어요 그것도 약간 힘없는 모습이여서 너무너무 걱정되었는데 잘 버텨준 이 외유내강 멋진사람ㅠㅠ
@@김볶2 어린아이 어쩌구 저쩌구 해서 욕먹었죠? 그런거 같고 욕을 왜 하는지.... 아이유는 노래도 잘부르고 마음이 순수하고 이쁜데 도데체 욕을 하는지..:
이때 악플들 보면 사람하나 매장시키려고 별 짓을 다 했더라고요 음원 불매 등....그래놓고 2017년에 정규앨범으로 음원 대상 휩씀
@@StardustComunity 근데영.. 과장ㄴㄴ..
아이유가 그렇게 힘들었던것도 아니에요.
팬덤이탈도 별로 없었고 그냥 로리타 '논란' 이지 과장된 말은 ㄴㄴ용..
The man playing the guitar and singing with her sings so well, I prefer his voice over the one in the album.
he's jehwi...jehwi :)... thia guy is so mysterious. but then it's good to hear his masterpiece once in a while
and i keep wondering that i really interest with iu or people behind her back because most of them is so talented. she know her person very well
Teru Teru Bozu Shi yep he composed a few IU songs and he was only 19 in this clip
I'm still convinced this song is actually about her coming up in the music industry. I remember when she started people thought she was mean or rude for some reason. Once they got to know her it was all about how well she played the guitar "Stroking sounds with those little fingers," how well she sang (see Good Day) "Singing of colors and sights in your ticklish voice," the clever puns she made (See Heroes), and how wise she was for someone so young and cute. Alot of artists, genuine artists, make allusions to themselves or other things in their music or artwork. So I'm pretty certain Zeze is supposed to be her and the tree is the music industry or people in the music industry.
Love your interpretation! I totally agree with you. I think she is talking about herself and how the public and industry sexualised her when she was a child. They are the people who give singers hate for "Lolita" concepts, yet they are the ones perpetuating it and buying into it.
She's really just talking abt herself ppl are just in denial
Myah Gibson
But IU herself said that she was referring to Zezé because she found the character “charming and sexy”... disturbing honestly.
@@MegaXavi999 No she said she found the personality of the character charming and sexy. As in a Zeze who has grown up but has retained that personality. Her statement was mistranslated and antis started spreading it everywhere.
Thats a cooler perspective than mine, I thought she in the trees perspective😖
이 노래는 정말 명곡임. 챗셔 앨범 전체에서 가장 좋은 곡이면서, 가사 또한 좋음. 이번 팔레트 앨범에서 잼잼이 가장 좋다고 생각하는데, 그 보다 나음
그때 물타기 논란들에 두려워서 좋아한다고 제대로 말못하고 주변인들이 아이유 까내리기 바쁠때 한마디 못했던게 후회됐던거같다 그만큼 애정이 깊은 곡 이때도 지금도 사랑한다고 말해주고싶다
for those who don't know, this song is inspired in a classic romance of brazilian literature, "Meu Pé de Laranja Lima" (the translation is "My Sweet-Orange Tree" i guess). the lyrics tell the tree's perspective in the story line. you can search for the book, it is amazing !!
exacly this!! Some people were spreading false inform here,and ur coment is what exacly this song is about!!
Thanks!!
새싹이 파릇파릇 막 돋아나는 듯한 제제 노래 자체가 꿈틀꿈틀 생동감이 넘치는 생생하고 경쾌한 그래서 지은언니랑 춤이라도 추고픈 충동이 느껴지지 않냐 지금도 보는 사람이 있을까? 2021년 지금까지도...
이노래가 5년전이라는게 믿기지가않네.. 처음나왔을때 진짜좋아했는데
제제가제목이죠
나두 들어
저는 2021년에도 앞으로도 쭉 들을 겁니다
곧 있으면 2022년이냉
Before the controversy, this was my favorite IU song. After the controversy, it's still my favorite IU song.
Then ur a genuine uaena 😇
Yeah, and before the controversy the song was about an orange tree that could communicate with a and was friends with a somewhat naughty little boy. During the controversy the song was about an orange tree that could communicate with a and was friends with a somewhat naughty little boy. After the controversy the song was about an orange tree....
시간 진짜 빠르다 이게 오년전이라니
아 진짜 노래 너무 좋다 ㅜㅜ 가사가 어떻든 걍 노래 자체가 너무 좋다 ㅜㅜ 이 노래 나왔을 당시에도 너무 좋아했고 오랜만에 들으니까 더 좋은듯..ㅜㅜ
i personally think IU wrote the lyrics in the perspective of the audience. she garnered interest when the audience started seeing her as a lolita; even though she was called the "nation's little sister/daughter" so many still blatantly expressed interest in her just because they found her like an easy sexual targeti feel like IU's essentially trying to parody what the public has created for her, a sexual image of a young, easy girl to take advantage of, so she wrote these suggestive lyrics as if people were saying it about her. it's like she's saying, "i am zeze, a young boy who is only a character and cannot speak up against these pedophilic opinions to protect myself."
even when the controversy hit, she couldn't say that this is how she wrote the song, because there would only be more backlash and hate and the public would go crazy saying "no one thought of you that way! you're the problematic one thinking that people depicted you as a lolita! stop making things up to protect your image!" and so on, so she had to respond with just saying that her interpretation was different.
honestly, she's been objectified and sexualized ever since she was 15, there would be no reason for her to write a song suggesting pedophilia unless it would be to parody what the public said of her.
I completely agree with this! The lyrics in Zeze are a thematic companion to Twenty-Tree. After reading your thoughts, I also thought that the "tree" in the song sounds like a symbolic representation of the Kpop industry. Which makes sense with the lyrics "climb up me", "take the only flower" as awards, and the sense of directed rules of not hurting said tree structure.
Honestly it makes so much sense that she's low-key critiquing the Kpop industry with these two songs (I haven't checked all the lyrics for the other ones on the album), and also did not seek to promote it on charting music shows because she doesn't need to.
this is exactly the reason. IU was zeze for her entire career. IN this song, Zeze is the public, IU is the predator. that why it makes the public uncomfortable, because she turns the table against the them. Now that the public is the prey. IU is just trying to put the mirror up to the public for them to feel what she been feeling this entire time. She is ofcourse not blaming the public, but she merely pointing out the way that young female entertainers are consumed by the general public, even unconsciously. THe public is blaming her for instigating pedophilia intentions, without realizing their nature of the consumption is pedophilia to begin with.
ANd it's ironic for people to be mad at her now from here regarding this issue. Why? It's because they were not upset when she was actually used from her earlier career till now as AN ACTUAL TARGET for pedophile. Yet, they are upset now when she is on the other side of the table? Are they upset now that a former target is now the predator? I cannot comprehend that logic.
Many argued that no one force IU to have the image she had earlier in her career. That is true. IU, compare to other young female idols, actually have a higher self-awareness. She invited/created that image herself. She know that will be how she can sell her music in the society she is in. She is not blaming the public, she is merely POINTING out what they have been obliviously this whole time. She is one of the luckier one who know what she was doing, but that does not mean the other young female idols did. Looking at how young female idols are still create and market nowadays. It's sad that the public is only mad about pedophilia when it throw right in their face, get upset, and then come back and consume the same stuff. It's hypocritical for people to say IU is a pedophile when they all are in some unconscious way.
All in all, I see the backlash against IU is not about moral, right or wrong. It just people are being upset that she reveal the inconvenient truth to them. THey are upset that she let them see how bad they actually look.
That makes so much sense!
In the song Glasses, there's the line
" Even if someone wrote me a hint
I can’t read it because it’s written too small
I can only start digging little by little
Still, I don’t want to wear glasses"
It could easily refer to the ignorance of Kpop fans and their refusal to accept the realities of their Idols. They fans refusing to look at the dark side of the industry, instead only enjoying the products of Idol's suffering.
Charlotte nailed it. just plain stupid hypocrisy of man kind.
straight up
we got this instead of live performance in TV every week ?...I think it's better :)
there will be another special clip on Nov 6 :))
She's just awesome, even acting well :)
이런 오묘하고 궁금하게 하는 가사 너무 좋음
Is this like live? Daaaaamn. It doesn't sound live. She did so well that it can be released as a studio version.
IU is truly amazing
이 영상은 특히 노래하는 아이유 얼굴을 포커스로 잘 보여줘서 좋아
왜 이 노래가 논란이 됐었나, 진짜 아이유의 잘못인가 궁금해서 '나의 라임오렌지 나무' 완독 했는데 ㅅㅂ 그냥 아이유까고싶었던 것들이 의미부여 존나한거네 가사의 내용 다 책에서 나오는 표현들이구만 ㅅㅂ... ㄹㅇ 마녀사냥 제대로 당했었네
선정적이라고 욕하는사람이 있었어여
맞아요 저는 나의라임오렌지 나무 읽으면서 제제가 약간 영악하다는 느낌을 받아서 제제 노래 들으면서 제제가 “어딘가는 더러워” 이런 가사 되게 공감 많이 됐는데 그때 마녀 사냥 당해서 왜지??? 이랬어요
이거 진짜 나의 라임오렌지 나무 책을 바탕으로 쓴 곡인가요? 노래만 들어서 설마 이 책을 읽고 썼겠어라고 했는데 대박
저도 이 논란때문에 책사서 읽어봤는데ㅋㅋ
책도 안읽어보고 노래도 안들어본애들이 ㅈㄹㅈㄹ했었죠....그때 넘맘아팠는데 지금이라도 이렇게되서 다행이에요
@@안창민-d8r 로리타라고 난리도 아니였어요 ㅋㅋㅋ하
She is the best singer and also very beautiful and extraordinarily sweet
She's so freaking beautiful. Her voice is divine.
뭐가 됐든 아이유가 작사에 엄청난 재능이 있다는 건 확실함
2:07
우리나라 유일무이한 가수.. 작사의 정석을 보여줌 아이유는.. 우리말을 이쁘게 활용하는 작사가ㅠ
지금은 그때 일어났던 일들이 말도 안되는거였다는걸 사람들이 알고 있어서 다행입니다 ㅜㅜ
@승일현 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
이분 완전 악질이시네
정신차리세요
이젠 당신같은 사람들한테 뭐라 하기도 귀찮습니다
말도 안듣는데 뭘더러 얘기해야하나 싶기도 하고...
성적대상화요???
성적대상화곡이라는 말 자체가 말도 안되는 소리고
스캔의 경우는 십년인가 지났던 일인데 또 뭐라고 엮으시네
얼버무리다뇨 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 뭔말을 그렇게 이상하게 하시나
그리고 간혹가다가 어느분들은 지금이라도 사과하라고 하시던데 예의상 언급자체를 하면 안됩니다
ALSO '매도'라는 단어의 정확한 뜻은 알고나 계신지요?
'심하게 욕하며 나무람,값을 받고 물건의 소유권을 남에게 팔아 넘김'
맥락에 맏지도 않은 단어들을 쓰는것과 동시에 말같지도 않은 글들을 적고 계시네요....
ㄹㅇ
노래 정말 좋은데.. 저도 책을 읽었기에 제제에 대해서 알지만 그저 제제의 성격이 잘드러나는 장난스러운 곡같은 느낌인데 어째서 이노래를 듣는데 눈치가보여야 하는지 모르겠네요
위에 미친 두년들아 여기서 나대지말고 꺼져
아이고야... 3부작까지 다 읽고 오시면
로리타 라는 말 못하실텐데...
@@박지원-e6i5j 왜 '아동학대'에 중점을
두고 계시는지 모르겠네요. 3부작까지
다 읽어 보셨으면 그런 말씀 못
하실텐데요...
즈기여 님들아 이거 밍기뉴시선에서 말한거자너;
@@오히오-r9g 아 그건알아영 아이유가 직접느끼고 작사한거는 아는데 그 제가 말한거는 책을 읽고 자기생각을 쓴게 아니고 밍기뉴의 생각?시선으로 쓴거 같다는 말이었어요ㅜㅜ
Consider how self-referential the whole Chatshire album is (taking back identity, coming of age, empowerment through self-deprecation/reflection), Zeze appears to be an allegorical approach to her feelings and moods at that point in her career. IU has a history of acknowledging social stigmas through her work. Tackling sensitive topics such as yellow journalism/media, discriminatory public personas, SNS haters/bullies, depression, suicide, love, loss, sleeping disorders etc... This whole album revolves around a heightened fantasy world liken to 'It is a mad mad world' in Alice in wonderland. Where Alice is both the victim and the heroine is forced to take on an introspective journey through the looking glass, examining various perspectives/creatures to fulfill personal growth and self-actualization. This reference also appears later in Palette and Bbibbi for example IU is a clever storyteller and artistic jester with her unique sonnets/limericks/metaphors to continue to play around public perceptions. I hope she remains pure-hearted in this approach and never loses that sense of artistic innocence and wonder and bow down to commercial pressures. Luckily years later, I think she never did. Congrats on the upcoming 918 x 12! May you continue to be unique, creative, authentic, bold, and brave! 👍
제제에서 밍기뉴는 약간 아낌없이 주는 나무같음 나무에 올라와라는 가사는 실제 책에도 있는 밍기뉴가 제제에게 올라타라고 하고 제제가 그 위에 올라가 말타는 것처럼 노는 장면임 어린잎을 가져가 하나뿐인 꽃을 가져가 라는 가사는 사람들이 이상하게 생각하는데 그냥 보면 제제에게 아낌없이 줄려하는 밍기뉴가 생각나야되지않나 그리고 더러워,교활하지 등은 사실 투명한,순진해 의 모순된 가사들 아이유는 제제가 모순된 아이라고 생각했다 했음 천사같지만 악마같은 아이.애초에 가정폭력당했다는 제제얘기보단 모순된 제제와 밍기뉴의 입장만을 노래에 담은거같다고 생각함
인정. 책도 제대로 안 읽어본 것들이 머릿속엔 이상한 음란마귀만 껴가지고 뭐 눈엔 뭐만 보인다고 하여튼..ㅉㅉ 그리고 출판사도 이해가 안 감. 제대로 읽은 독자들은 아무 소리 안하는데 어이가 없어섴ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
인정이요ㅠ
인정이요 진짜
인정 해요!!!
진짜 인정
The set is sooo pretty and one of my favourite songs in the album!!
아이유 목소리도 좋은데 코러스로 부르는 남자분 목소리도 꿀..
only real artist can understands the real meaning of her song ...and iu was a genius artist ,she opened the eyes of the public..
Yes, IU, you are the best.
I got curious about this song since I heard about the controversy...now I'm wondering why there were hates on this good song?
It was my favorite song D: Idk. what throws me off is the drawing of the boy o.o
The lyrics contain sexual metaphor towards a five year old boy.
I know right
you mean a five year old fictional character from a book
+박종현 I heard he is not fictional. He's inspired by the author's childhood.
I just don't get why people are so angry? Yes, her inspiration for this song was from the tale/book and the korean book publisher doesn't like how she interpretted it the way she did. BUT as an ARTIST, isin't it their job to find inspiration from all sorts of things to come up with songs/art/fashion based on their own interpretation? That's the beauty of art and music, imagine if she just wrote the song based on what the author of the book wrote, then wouldn't that just be copying? And this is her first time writing all her songs in the album and i love that the lyrics aren't just about the usual boy-meets-girl-falls-in-love or some nonsense. All her songs have a backstory and depth. It's really a shame how people can't appreciate art sometimes.
+PincessSakura9 just fyi, it was the 'korean publisher' that had an opinion about her song, not the author. therefore it was another 3rd party interpretation that is not reflective of the author's opinion
+Sotong_Q thank you for your clarification! I have edited my post accordingly :>
+Tuyết Nhi honestly she was talking about pedophile concepts but zeze was reflecting HERSELF. did you not understand that iu was challenging the music industry's views on girl images? we see all those 15 year old girls, wearing short short skirts, skimpy outfits, singing about their oppas. they are WORSHIPPED by uncle fans but when iu addresses this topic everyone back lashes on her. ius image was sexualized herself back then. started with marshmellow, boo, good day... she IS zeze and every character in her book is pieces of her.
Tuyết Nhi
In her apology letter, she mentioned that it wasn't the boy she found "sexy" but more the ambiguity of his temper or temper itself. Like how people find confidence sexy. So if i say i like seeing kids being confident does that automatically make me a pedophilia?? Because i think confidence is sexy. And wtf the hole in the tree???? Lets be real i dont think that signifies anything R-18, stop finding flaws with every single thing. It doesn't make sense. Next, you might as well say that her hair is disrespectful to cancer patients because that's how unrelated the hole in the tree is? As for the books, like her whole album and her song, 23 its just comparing contradictions. "Delicate" and "Discipline" are contradictions and the Leon book also represents contradictions because the character Leon is a twelve yr old girl who smokes and plays with guns and yet she's also delicate in a sense that she falls in love.
There's just so many ways to find fault/defend IU but my point is. As an artist, IU deserves to release songs creatively without being bashed and forced to apologize. How else will the artistic industry grow if not?
Yeah, like even the Producer of the movie "Hope" goes against her, the publisher of the book goes against her, 2/3 of Korean fans, 1/2 Chinese fans and almost all of Vietnamese fans... they all must be wrong. At least she apologize, but you know what, now her fans started to blamed her boyfriend for this, and her apology seems more like "yeah I admitted that it's my fault, whatever, it's you who interpreted it wrongly. Yeah the problem is you."
정말 대단하다 역경과고난 다 이겨내고 또한번 한국가요계의 정점에 올라섰네..
연기까지 대박 터지고...
10주년 축하하고 30주년 디너쇼까지 볼수있기를....그때까지 내가 살아있다면.ㅠㅠㅠ...아 슬프네...30주년이면 내가 80대네....
하....노래 존좋임....진짜 발상의 전환이다...개인적으로 고마운건 제제를 그냥 학대받은아이가 아니라 어쩔땐 악마같고 어쩔땐 순수한 그런 평범한 아이로 작사해줘서 고맙다 오히려 제제를 학대받은 아이로 치부하고 슬픈 발라드로 불렀다면 진짜...그거 만큼 허탈하지도 않았을듯...ㅠㅠ 여튼 아이유 마음이랑 싫은날 들었을때부터 진짜 작사실력은 끝내주구나라고 생각했는데....내가 생각하기엔 가창력도 가창력이지만 20대 여가수중 진짜배기중 진짜배기인듯....
노제희 ㅇㅈ
우와 이런 해석..최고다 찝찝했던 마음이 싹 가시네요 제제가 이 노래를 들으면 오히려 희열도 있을거 같아요 오히려 학대프레임을 갖고 100이면 100이 동정하는 것보다. 상처받은 아이에게 너도 못되기도 하고 순수하기도 한 그냥 한 아이구나 조명해준 느낌
어린시절에 학대를 겪었던 사람들이 이글을 보면 정말 가슴 아플거 같네요
죄송한데 제제를 주인공으로 쓴 가사가 아니에요 제3자를 주인공으로 했답니다 제제는 영감만 받았다네요 해명글에 나와있습니다.
물론 그런식으로 해석하신건 멋있는데 잘못된 정보를 많은분이 알고계실까봐
@@yeqbyeqb 예술엔 성역이 없죠....그 옛날 사람들도 성스러운것에 섹츄얼함을 느끼기도 하고 혐오스러운것에 아름다움을 느낀다고 히듯이...신성모독죄를 받았듯이...
학대 받은이들을 특별히 취급한 것보다 그냥 사람의 양면성을 나타낸걸로 보면 안될까요..? 저는 오히려 위로를 받았습니다.어릴때 제제만큼은 아니지만 아버제께 의자로 맞고 머리에 14바늘을 꼬맨적도 있는데 말이죠. 사람은 다 각자의 해석이 있지만 학대받은 이들을 싸잡아 대변하고 동정하진 말아주세요.
흥미로운 듯,
씩 올라가는 입꼬리 좀 봐
그 웃음만 봐도 알아 분명히 너는 짓궂어
아아, 이름이 아주 예쁘구나 계속 부르고 싶어
말하지 못하는 나쁜 상상이 사랑스러워
조그만 손가락으로 소리를 만지네
간지러운 그 목소리로 색과 풍경을 노래 부르네 yeah
제제, 어서 나무에 올라와
잎사귀에 입을 맞춰
장난치면 못써
나무를 아프게 하면 못써 못써
제제, 어서 나무에 올라와
여기서 제일 어린잎을 가져가
하나뿐인 꽃을 꺾어가
Climb up me
Climb up me
꽃을 피운 듯,
발그레해진 저 두 뺨을 봐
넌 아주 순진해 그러나 분명 교활하지
어린아이처럼 투명한 듯해도 어딘가는 더러워
그 안에 무엇이 살고 있는지,
알 길이 없어
당장에 머리 위엔 햇살을 띄우지만
어렴풋이 보이는 너의 속은 먹구름과 닿아있네 oh
제제, 어서 나무에 올라와
잎사귀에 입을 맞춰
장난치면 못써
나무를 아프게 하면 못써 못써
제제, 어서 나무에 올라와
여기서 제일 어린잎을 가져가
하나뿐인 꽃을 꺾어가
Climb up me
Climb up me
한 번 더 닿고 싶어
여기서 매일 너를 기다려
전부 가지러 오렴
다시 부르고 싶어
여기서 매일 너를 기다려
얄밉게 돌아가도 내일 밤에 또 보러 올 거지
제제, 어서 나무에 올라와
잎사귀에 입을 맞춰
장난치면 못써
나무를 아프게 하면 못써 못써
제제, 어서 나무에 올라와
여기서 제일 어린잎을 가져가
하나뿐인 꽃을 꺾어가
Climb up me
Climb up me
김영훈 .
옹 가사찾고있었는데
@이민재 그니까요 해석을 사람마다 다르게하겠지만 지은언니가 의도힌거란 다른 그해석을 가지고 악플다는건 이해가안가네요
@@도앵-y4s 스물셋도 지은언니 이야기같은데 왜계속 알지도못하는것들이 와서 로리타 ㅇㅈㄹ 큐큐ㅠㅠㅠㅠ 정말루 속상하네유ㅠㅠ
이민재 스물셋 뮤비땜에 그래요 ㅋㅋ.. 젖병빨기 크레파스로 입술 칠하기 얼굴에 시리얼 던져서 로리타 따라함
아이유 스물셋 가요대전 풀린 기념으로 챗셔 정주행 하러 왔습니다ㅠㅜㅜ진짜 이때도 지금도 이해안되는 제제 논란......아직도 확신하는 건 그때 아이유 깠던 것들은 나의라임오렌지나무 읽어보지도 않은 멍청한 것들임. 나는 이 노래 나왔을당시에 막 나의라임오렌지나무 읽고 빠져있을 때였는데 이 노래 듣고 진짜 오래 흥얼거리고 그랬었는데 이 책을 읽은 이상 그딴 말 입에 담을 수 없음 진짜..
스물셋 가요대전 풀렸다는게 어떤 말씀인가요?? 영상 금지였나요??
@@dongchiimii 원래 외국에서만 볼 수 있게 제한?설정? 그런 걸 영상에 해놨었는데 최근에 한국에서도 볼 수 있게 제한이 풀렸다는거에요! 그래서 스물셋 영상 댓글보시면 외국댓글은 다 오래됬고 한국어 댓글만 최근이에요!!!
@@ndapbeikkaa 아하 친절한 답변 감사합니다!
곡이 나왔을 당시에도 지금도 이해가 되지 않는 논란... 로리타고 성적 표현이라며 까대던 사람들 중 과연 그 책을 완독했던 사람들이 얼마나 될까 싶었다ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 책을 읽었다면 이 곡이 그렇게 들리진 않았을 텐데. 애초에 가사를 그런 식으로 해석했던 사람들은 대체 머릿속에 뭐가 들었을까 싶고.
As a Brazilian who read the book in its original language, if there is any difference, the only thing I can say is that people took the music very literally. I believe that nobody would write a song with that kind of intention. The book was probably used as a metaphor for what she really set out to say.
ㄹㅇ 그니깐 그때 그말했는사람들 지금 뭐하나 싶다 ㅋㅋㅋ
ㅋㅋ ㄹㅇ
까내릴게 없으니까 솔직히 다 억진데 사람들 거의 대부분 다 믿었음.. 몇몇 빼고는
이래서 페미가 문제임 베라 키즈모델 광고도 그렇고 어휴
우리 아이유언니의 천재성이 번뜩이는 이 노래 제제,,,
21년인데도 다시 보는 사람 누르고 가라
Those who commented negatively about this song didn't understood it, or even tried to. Furthermore if they just bought her album they would have understood it, it can be seen on Zeze track page, she was on a tree. Geez, the concept was her being somewhat Zeze, in the music industry.
Simple yet attractive! Well said ;)
This is actually my favorite track out of her whole album and it sounds amazing live. ;-;
이건 명곡이야!
라이브도 최고!
나의 daily play-list 첫번째 곡!
The decorations and everything else's as perfect!! 😌
I find it ridiculous that some critics are saying that IU "misinterpreted" the character of Zezé... lmao, it's up to the reader to interpret a character however he or she wants. Writing is a form of art, and all pieces of art are allowed to be defined differently by each person.
Jiwon Ha
Jiwon Ha who is zeze ?
EXACTLY
The korean publisher of the book of Zeze even said IU's interpretation was wrong and disturbing, and apologised on her behalf to the author
@@mogumogu7774 The publisher apologized to IU, few days after the start of the controversy, saying they were sorry for not respecting the diversity in interpretation.
오만 해석이 다 있었는데 댓글창 깔끔해진거 좋네 이렇게 사랑스러운 노래에 어떻게 그런 해석들이 가능한지..
해석은 대중들과 미디어가 한것이 맞는데, 사회적 인식이 아직 거기까지 따라가지 못하는것임.
그 때는 눈치 보면서 몰래 몰래 들었던 곡인데 이젠 당당하게 듣는다ㅎㅎ 꿋꿋하게 버텨준 아이유에게 너무 고마워.. 영웅호걸 나왔을 때부터 팬이었고 앞으로도 응원할게 항상 뒤에서 응원하는 팬들이 있다는 걸 알아주길... 아이유 사랑해
ㅋㅋㅈㄹ
@@한중수소 ㅋㅋㅈㄹ
@@한중수소 지가 없는걸 지 닉넴에다 써놨네
당당하게 듣는다고..? 소아성애자임?
this is wayyyy better than the actual audio seriously...
Love this performance soooo much !!
I love her voice and this album shows she matured. She will pass this witch hunt, her fans should stay strong beside her.
+noangeleyes2 Well said!
***** Not all Korean fans think like that, just some knetizens with too much time on their hands and hate. By the way, I'm not a fan of her, I'm Cassiopeia fan (I love TVXQ and JYJ) and a Cloud (Rain fan) and I know all this media manipulation and netizens craziness, to well. I just love the songs and think she has a great live voice.
Like I said, I'm not a fan so I don't know how bad things are, I don't follow Naver or Pan to read about IU. Hope things will go better for her 'coz she is a great young voice. If you are a fan of her and a Korean and have time maybe you should speak with other Korean fans and trying post good things about her and defend her. The more the merrier. Good luck, seems like she needs it.
I will never ever get why Kpeople are so adamant with their hate.
It's ok, I know that feeling, too.
아니 그 쇼미에서 누가 랩 할때 리듬을 딱 좋아하는 위치에 잘 강조해서 넣는다고 했는데 뭔소린가 했는데 아이유 제제 들으니까 그게 뭔지 대충 알겠다... 리듬감 미쳐...통통 튀는데 잔잔해...진짜 띵곡...
From the lyrics, I don't get why people hate her. Well, everyone have their own opinion. I still love IU and her music. She's really talented, unique and so cute
Somehow IU imaginary mind are so out there, she real but it not what people want, she just do what she thinks in her mind, i dont care what people say, i still really respect IU...
음원보다 이 라이브 버전이 더좋음 다운받아서 듣고있어여
이 노래에 뭐 순결을 가지러 오라고 하는 의미가 있다는 글도 봤었음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 충격적이다 아직도… 신비롭고 유니크한 걸 그렇게 해석하다니 그거에 선동된 사람들 수준이 딱 보인 사건…
I just recently started listening to IU and I absolutely love all her songs. She's so adorable!!
걍 노래 개좋음 ㅠㅠ
노래 들으러 왔는데 아이유 왤케 예뻐 미친....ㄷㄷㄷㄷ
지금 이거 되게 도발적이다... 되게 너무 공격적이고 너무 당돌해 보인다.. 지금 나온 삐삐의 영향인가 반항적으로 보이기까지 한다... 아이유 눈빛이 그래... 너무 ... 멋있다
애초에 출판사에서 해석의 가이드라인을 규정하고 이에 어긋나는 해석을 '틀리다'라고 간주한 것 자체가 출판사로서 자격미달이라고 생각함. 무슨 국어시간도 아니고
출판사 직원들도 주입식 교육의 피해자들인가...
그 사건으로 나의라임오렌지나무 판매율도 급상승하고 출판사입장에선 이득만 봤었음. 윗댓이 말한것처럼 ㄹㅇ노이즈마케팅이 아니였을까
독자(=아이유)에 대한 출판사태도가 이해되질 않앗는데 더 이해가 안됏던건 출판사를 발판삼아 아이유 묻어버리기에 동참했던 악플러 및 자칭페미들. 진짜 그 때 분위기 개살벌했었지
노이즈마케팅 맞았어요. 출판사 관리자가 제시한 가이드라인을 부정하는 내용이 심지어 책 안에 실려있음.
나도 예전에 이런식으로 썼다가 그당시에는 마녀사냥 당하고 있는중이라 비공 장난아니게 당함
IU is a great singer , I love this song
이 노래가 발매된 후 여러가지 논란이 있었고 몇 달이 지난 연말 콘서트에서 아이유는 "제가 변함없이 사랑하는 곡을 들려드리겠다"라며 제제를 불렀는데 개인적으로 2015년의 명장면 중에 하나가 아닐까 생각합니다. 소재가 더 자극적인 논란에 나는 그런 의도로 곡을 쓴 게 아니라는 걸 일관되게 말하는
one of her best songs, period.
this song is ooo good and addictive, i cant stop listening to it !!!
i think iu is amazing bc she admires the souls of people, not their outer appearances.
that's what she means by she likes the boy's charm
Whatever other people think, this is actually a GREAT song.
이때 사람들 아이유 끌어내리려고 별 것 다 했는데 아직까지도 음원 쓸고있네 멋지다
이 노래 말고도 스물셋도 여초카페를 중심으로 무슨 로리?? 컨셉 이라는둥 이상한 말 해대면서 진짜 미친듯이 까댓음
지금생각해도 너무 열받아
@승일현 자이제 그말같지도 않은글 그만쓰시고 한강물에 뛰어들으시면 됩니다 ㅎㅎ
어이구 항강물에 뛰어든다는 글을 수정하셨군요!
괜찮습니다
제가 기억하고 있거든요
그래서 글 남기고 갑니다 ㅋㅋㅋ
여초에서 진짜 싫어했지
악플도 심해서 고소당한애들도 많았음
여적여는 괜히나온말이아녀
@@intellj3 근데 여초가 뭐예요?
@@참참이-s7h 여자 초딩?
노래 진짜 좋음 아직까지 듣고있는 노래중 하나
Love the song. Love IU
난 노래하는 아이유가 가장 좋다😍
노래진심 너무 좋다...
난 이노래너무 조아함 ㅠㅠㅜ 중독성쩔고 이때 아이유가 젤이뻣음
lol i find it so funny that there are foreign fans here going on and on about the controversy, but i read most of the korean comments and they're all just saying how lovely iu is and how much they enjoy the song...
Exactly!! International fans need to realise that the translations are not going to be 100% accurate, for example the word 'dirty' in this is not meant in a sexual way but in the literal meaning 'dirty, filthy' as in dirt (it was symbolising the abuse and poverty).
lol true!
Jamie K. Thought that korean netizen was the first one bring out this controversy, that s why international fans defend for her.
Korean netizens are the ones who sparked this controversy though
The publisher of the book spoke up and even said her interpretation of Zeze was wrong tho
노래존나좋아..♡ 역시아이유♡
Its great seeing brazilian literature inspiring artists around the world, makes me really proud
진짜 아이유는 천재임 ㅇㅇ
레알 신동
민경훈이랑 비슷한케이스이긴하지만 민경훈은 넘사벽인 존재
정민규 민경훈보다 훨씬 잘하지 ㅋㅋ
장꾸답게 장난끼 가득한 라이브 ❤
고작 미니앨범 수록곡 하나로 대한민국을 떠들석하게한 슈스 아이유 너무멋있고 노래 너무좋다
아이유의노래를들을수있다는게 삶의크나큰행복,,