7:50 "Your turn to Roll" was the opening song for campaign 2! and no, they were playing "Uk'otoa", a board game avaliable from Darrington Press! a CR original! 10:54 I saw someone commenting on flashes in Keyleths visions about a volcanic island... Rumblecusp?
When Vex got pulled under by the anchor, my first thought was "We just saw how long she could hold her breath underwater with Percy. She'll be FIIIINE." lol
Sam said that Bard’s Lament would likely have never happened had Pike/Ashley been there, so I think this is a really neat “What If…” alternative scenario. Having Scanlan leave the same way now just wouldn’t hit the same. Keyleth storming off in a similar fashion though? Similar impact and feels WAY more consistent with the show
Yeahm just to reinforce your point this is a for Poligon from Sam: “My character in the original campaign had a big blow-up with the group,” says Riegel. “Over the arc of the season, it just didn’t seem right to end a season with Scanlan super pissed off at the rest of the group after what they had just gone through. It made sense in the campaign, because the campaign was ongoing.” He pauses and then makes a face, before adding, “And even in the campaign it didn’t make sense! Everybody at the table was mad at me for doing it.”
@andresfelipemanjarres7061 Yep. And, at this point of filming and recording: they didn't know if LoVM was getting renewed for a 4th season, so to end it with Scanlan super pissed at everyone would have been immensely tone deaf.
@@Cdog923 To be frank, even in the campaign it wasn't earned. It relied entirely on completely untrue justifications about the party ignoring him even though multiple players across many episodes did in fact try to check on Scanlan to see if Sam was just trying to be funny or if the character truly wasn't ok. Scanlan's persuasion stat as a high level bard is just so high that if he wants the other characters to not see hes lying about something then there's almost no way they will be able too do so without cheating. They never ignored him, Sam just used the game mechanics to stop them from even trying to help Scanlan.
I got confused by the headmaster talking smack about Keyleth's mom - she made it sound like Vilya disappeared trying to learn the Earth ritual. But then the other headmaster piped up and I realized that the first one was Uvenda, and she was probably talking about you-know-what from the campaign. It was just phrased kinda confusingly.
I understand why Bard’s Lament didn’t happen, and the version we got works for the show. It’s well executed, and enjoyable. Had I never watched the campaign, I’d have no complaints. I did watch the campaign, and I really wish we could see that moment animated. It’s too good,
Hot take, but Bard’s Lament was drama for drama’s sake so Sam could introduce a new character for a little while. Working in Keyleth’s Earth Trial as part of how they find Raishan is clever and means they don’t have to cram another Trial into season 4.
I'm not a critter, so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think the team has treated Scanlan bad enough for what people seem to be alluding to for the bards lament. Like, yes, they do dismiss him and underutilize him. An argument for taking him more seriously when he started acting more serious could have been a moment, but getting so upset that he left the group? Especially with all the support Pike privately gives him? I think it would have made him look like an ass. But I also think the way keyleth left the group made her look like an ass too.
@@brilobox2 I agree with your hot take! It was a rare moment of forced drama. The only interpretation that made sense to me was that Scanlan, a gnome in his early 70s who constantly refused to share about himself and constantly degraded himself with dirty jokes, suddenly got a mid-life crisis and decided to blame his party for all his problems. So yes, he was a major ass, and the rest of the party made that very clear when he returned. I'd been dreading Bard's Lament since S1 of TLoVM. The hints that were dropped looked pretty good, but would that make Scanlan's departure even worse? Seeing the whole thing reworked into Keyleth's leadership learning curve is really interesting but comes with its own challenges.
@@RPG_AngieAbsolutely true. I feel like Keyleth’s whole departure would have felt more earned if the writing committed to having the group dismiss her and ally with Raishan more. As it was we barely got any chumminess with Raishan and almost no antagonizing of Keyleth (something like the conversation about the Clasp in Emon comes to mind) so a Keyleth’s anger seems less justified.
Was a cool design choice to have it not be a typical foreign language, but more like a unique dialect. You can understand some words but still wouldn't get the meaning without knowing it.
You guys missed it because you didn’t have subtitles on, but when the tabaxi and vax are speaking the subtitles show some different dialogue because they are speaking in theives cant
Kinda but heavily changed. Basically the ending of the last episode this season. I liked it and it worked for the show but it's a different tone from the original
So Percy was killed by one of the guns made with Orthax right? Doesn't that mean that Orthax has his soul? I'm betting we get Percy back after Ripley is dead.
The Ashari constantly judging Keyleth for not doing her Aramente and saying these rituals are too dangerous and it's like "I'm sorry did you not see how many dragons and demons and devils and vampires I've been saving the world from?"
Keyleth going off on the Ashari council was a great moment. But her going off on the rest of the party... not so much. Like cool she ended up being right about Raishan but I think the whole party knew they couldn't really trust her. Rahsaan just presented them their only way forward. Like yea Keyleth, you kept saying don't trust her, she's up to something, but you also had no alternative plans. Everyone else was trying to find a way forward and Keyleth just shut every plan down without presenting one of her own. THATS why no one listened to her. Just because they knew it was probably a trap didn't change the fact that it was their only option.
I mean turning into a giant fire elemental is an efficient way of getting your point across but if Kiki is about to go from the earth, of the earth and to the earth, good thing she rooted herself
Listen, I love Kiki. She's great. But her reasons for running off like that, while understandable, are unreasonable. Yes, they ignored her warnings. Yes they questioned her choices. But she never, not once, offered a different solution outside of going along with Raishan's plan. She never said, what if we did this to defeat Thordak instead. She didn't provide an alternative, she just kept repeating, guys don't trust her! she's evil! and the team was really like, yeah we know but what u want us to do about it? then frustrated silence from Kiki. Like, come on. I get being mad that they questioned you, but their questions made sense given the fate of the entire world was at stake and u weren't offering any kind of solutions! Beyond that, this ep was awesome!
Well, the big problem was simply that they trusted her. Because they did, Raishan knew about all their plans and was able to prepare accordingly. Kiki didn’t need to have an alternate plan to know that trusting Raishan with their were-abouts was a bad idea. Her plan was “stop involving Raishan in our planning.”
@@calvinjohnson6242 From the moment Raishan contacted Vox Machina, they had no real choice about working with her. Unless they wanted to abandon Whitestone completely and disappear. Raishan could have betrayed them to Thordak any time she wanted to, and he would have either sent Vorugal there to destroy it, or he would have gone himself. So, yes, if they shouldn't have worked with Raishan at all (an open question), then there needed to be an actual plan about how to deal with the hidden dragon in the room.
I very much agree with this. No one was like 'yay I love raishan! She's awesome and we shouldn't listen to Kiki!' It was always that the team didn't have a better way to reach their goal. Raishan was right about the eggs and was truthful in the revelation to vax about thordak ruining his hometown. She did manipulate the team, but she would have lurked around to steal that dragon corpse. All raishan did was speed up the timeline of killing thordak, which they needed to do anyway because of all the hatchlings. This situation wouldn't have turned out differently. Raishan having ulterior motives isn't something that anyone else on the team would have denied.
@@calvinjohnson6242her knowing the plan didn't really change anything. All she needed was tail thordak until the team managed to kill him. Raishan just spurred them to do it quicker so that she could get to thordak's corpse before she became one. But the team couldn't have delayed to ensure raishan died first because they had a brood of dragon eggs as a ticking time bomb.
I very much agree with this. No one was like 'yay I love raishan! She's awesome and we shouldn't listen to Kiki!' It was always that the team didn't have a better way to reach their goal. Raishan was right about the eggs and was truthful in the revelation to vax about thordak ruining his hometown. All raishan did was speed up the timeline of killing thordak, which they needed to do anyway because of all the hatchlings. This situation wouldn't have turned out differently. Raishan having ulterior motives isn't something that anyone else on the team would have denied.
My biggest complaint with the show is Amazon didn't approve S4 earlier. The Critical Roll group gave everything they could each season, but could have fleshed things out more had they known S4 was assured with a possibility of S5.
No, absolutely we won't, but we know they could have easily done 5 or 6, and they have done an amazing job squeezing so much in. Also, appreciate the S2 and S3 easter eggs. I wish real hard for 9 seasons of M9 (could it be more poetic???) But I will be okay with 6.
The fact that they switched Vilya's disappearance from the water trial to the earth trial makes me think that they're going to change how that plotline gets resolved. Because while it was fun in the stream, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a scripted show to resolve a major plotline in a different show by characters who don't realize the implications of who they just found.
I really quite liked the story work this episode, unfortunately the audio engineering at Titmouse seems to have been done by an unpaid intern on this episode.
They wasted so much animation time on turning a simple Scrying spell into an episode long endeavor. Why didn't they just give her the spell like they did with Transportation Via Plants?? Because they wasted so much time, they didn't include arguably some of the most important aspect of the series. This and all the dumb stuff they're doing with Pike has just ruined this season and the overall story at large.
Is this about the Bard’s Lament? Because you know they couldn’t end this season that way - they thought they might not get a season four. Sam said they have plans to harken back to it in a later season, so y’all can make like a retired pilot, and cool your jets. Also, I love the Pike stuff. Zerxus is awesome. Blind faith is lame. The new story is giving her an arc she never got to really have in the original.
@calvinjohnson6242 not disagreeing, but the blind faith comment is incorrect. She's seen and talked to her God. A god that has guided and helped her. So it's not blind. Blind faith is extremely lame though.
@@irishbullmatt I understand your perspective. I suppose I’ve always been uncomfortable with the idea of putting all your faith in a powerful and immortal being who can’t possibly have all your best interests at heart. It’s more interesting to see faith challenged and reforged with less toxic boundaries, where perhaps the Everlight will realize she must not take Pike for granted, and respect her enough to let her make her own decisions. So far, the Everlight constantly seems to threaten Pike with removing her powers, and Pike relies on the Everlight a little too heavily. Maybe now we’ll see more of a symbiosis.
Man i was so excited for this finale, but they dropped the ball so hard that I don't even know how the rest of the story can happen now. I may not even watch season 4 if this is the kind of thing they're pulling. I want the money I gave to the original Kickstarter back.
For the sake of my sanity, I’m replying to let you and everyone else know that your opinion is the minority. Yes, the Raishan fight was a bit rushed, but the Thordak fight and everything else was so good, to me it doesn’t matter. This season was awesome. I find that most people who are angry with this finale are mostly upset about the lack of a Bard’s Lament, and are projecting that onto the rest of the season. The Lament needed to be moved because the way it was working out with not knowing if they had a fourth season, the last episode of this show could have been Scanlan leaving. Sam said the Lament will be harkened back to in a later season. Even if they did remove it, I think this attitude is a bit lame. With genuine respect and no intended malice, we don’t really want you here if you’re just going to just be bitter. Please find somewhere else to complain.
i totally desagree, is just think people where expecting one specific scene and that didnt happen because the character in the show where develop in different ways, in the end they get in the same place of the original arc but with out the drama and the miscomunication, because again in a show those arcs have to develop in other ways. And look if you dont like it and prefer th original thats ok and you are entitled to your opinion, but the whole "I want the money I gave to the original Kickstarter back" is just stupid, because that money was for the first season, if at this point you are whining that you dont like it that your fucking problem
@@andresfelipemanjarres7061It’s absolutely the Lament. People are using anger at one omission to go back and criticize everything about the show. Now that their “worst fears” are realized, they’ve become insufferable, which is honestly very sad. I was slightly disappointed we didn’t get the Lament, but I got over it in a few seconds. I think a lot of us did. There was minimal build up, and it wouldn’t have happened as it did in the show with Pike there to help Scanlan. However, all you got to do is a little research to realize they didn’t do the Lament for a very good reason, and they are planning on doing something similar to it in a oater season. That’s the worst bit about this complaining. The Lament is still happening!
@@calvinjohnson6242 Completle agree and the only extra thing i want to add is that this story and character are theirs to modiffy how they want, just like with the campaing a lot of people think that they just pay other people to write about this characters, but if you just follow them you know that at least in the show Travis, Sam, Liam and Marisha have writen or had imput in every episode, and the other cast have their opinion on the overall story. at the end of the day is ok if we dont like the way a scene was adapted (i personally prefer the way Ripley is deal with in the campaing) but at the end of the day they understand what is better for the character and the storie better than us so i respect any change or cut they deem necesary to make sense for a televition program
7:50 "Your turn to Roll" was the opening song for campaign 2! and no, they were playing "Uk'otoa", a board game avaliable from Darrington Press! a CR original!
10:54 I saw someone commenting on flashes in Keyleths visions about a volcanic island... Rumblecusp?
Rumblecusp would make so much sense esp in this context
When Vex got pulled under by the anchor, my first thought was "We just saw how long she could hold her breath underwater with Percy. She'll be FIIIINE." lol
Same. I was almost thrown off that they had her gasping for air after, and then I remembered water pressure is a thing at depth
Sam said that Bard’s Lament would likely have never happened had Pike/Ashley been there, so I think this is a really neat “What If…” alternative scenario. Having Scanlan leave the same way now just wouldn’t hit the same. Keyleth storming off in a similar fashion though? Similar impact and feels WAY more consistent with the show
Yea, for as iconic as ABL is within CR, the show version of Scanlan hasn't earned it.
Yeahm just to reinforce your point this is a for Poligon from Sam:
“My character in the original campaign had a big blow-up with the group,” says Riegel. “Over the arc of the season, it just didn’t seem right to end a season with Scanlan super pissed off at the rest of the group after what they had just gone through. It made sense in the campaign, because the campaign was ongoing.” He pauses and then makes a face, before adding, “And even in the campaign it didn’t make sense! Everybody at the table was mad at me for doing it.”
@andresfelipemanjarres7061 Yep. And, at this point of filming and recording: they didn't know if LoVM was getting renewed for a 4th season, so to end it with Scanlan super pissed at everyone would have been immensely tone deaf.
@@andresfelipemanjarres7061hey where can i watch or read this whole interview?
@@Cdog923 To be frank, even in the campaign it wasn't earned. It relied entirely on completely untrue justifications about the party ignoring him even though multiple players across many episodes did in fact try to check on Scanlan to see if Sam was just trying to be funny or if the character truly wasn't ok. Scanlan's persuasion stat as a high level bard is just so high that if he wants the other characters to not see hes lying about something then there's almost no way they will be able too do so without cheating. They never ignored him, Sam just used the game mechanics to stop them from even trying to help Scanlan.
I love that we got some onscreen Thieves Cant language between Cat-thew Mercer and Vax!
I don’t know if that’s ever been done before 😃
I've always wondered how an example of thieves cant would work in real life and it was very cool to actually see that come to fruition.
Spy x Family does it a few times with the characters talking while kanji on screen is 'what they're really saying'
They were playing UK'OTOA. Critical Role's own board game, which apparently also exists in universe.
uk'otoa
uk'otoa
uk'otoa
uk'otoa
Everyone misses the "You're turn to roll" reference
Not me, I thought it was neat
I caught it too!
Love the smile at Keyleth's mom never being seen again... 🙂
And that wasn't Cones of Dunshire, it was U'katoa, available now from Darrington Press.
U'katoa
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At first I thought it was Catan 😅
Stilben was the First Town, made for Liam's birthday DnD.
It can be seen in VM Origins comic volume 1
it was almost like coming home! the comic had the same feel.
I, for one, am here for the Weekend At Thordak’s
Keyleth turning into a giant fire elemental: Per my LAST EMAIL
I got confused by the headmaster talking smack about Keyleth's mom - she made it sound like Vilya disappeared trying to learn the Earth ritual.
But then the other headmaster piped up and I realized that the first one was Uvenda, and she was probably talking about you-know-what from the campaign. It was just phrased kinda confusingly.
I love that every one of the Bonus Action adverts are episode special 🤣
Cat Mercer, who used to be a Thundercat. Loved the Your turn to Roll reference.
These transitions to Bonus Action have been absolute gold😂😂😂
I understand why Bard’s Lament didn’t happen, and the version we got works for the show. It’s well executed, and enjoyable. Had I never watched the campaign, I’d have no complaints.
I did watch the campaign, and I really wish we could see that moment animated. It’s too good,
Hot take, but Bard’s Lament was drama for drama’s sake so Sam could introduce a new character for a little while. Working in Keyleth’s Earth Trial as part of how they find Raishan is clever and means they don’t have to cram another Trial into season 4.
I'm not a critter, so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think the team has treated Scanlan bad enough for what people seem to be alluding to for the bards lament.
Like, yes, they do dismiss him and underutilize him. An argument for taking him more seriously when he started acting more serious could have been a moment, but getting so upset that he left the group? Especially with all the support Pike privately gives him?
I think it would have made him look like an ass.
But I also think the way keyleth left the group made her look like an ass too.
@@brilobox2 I agree with your hot take! It was a rare moment of forced drama. The only interpretation that made sense to me was that Scanlan, a gnome in his early 70s who constantly refused to share about himself and constantly degraded himself with dirty jokes, suddenly got a mid-life crisis and decided to blame his party for all his problems. So yes, he was a major ass, and the rest of the party made that very clear when he returned.
I'd been dreading Bard's Lament since S1 of TLoVM. The hints that were dropped looked pretty good, but would that make Scanlan's departure even worse? Seeing the whole thing reworked into Keyleth's leadership learning curve is really interesting but comes with its own challenges.
@@RPG_AngieAbsolutely true. I feel like Keyleth’s whole departure would have felt more earned if the writing committed to having the group dismiss her and ally with Raishan more. As it was we barely got any chumminess with Raishan and almost no antagonizing of Keyleth (something like the conversation about the Clasp in Emon comes to mind) so a Keyleth’s anger seems less justified.
I like that we got to see Thieves Cant in use. Reminds me of Polari.
Was a cool design choice to have it not be a typical foreign language, but more like a unique dialect. You can understand some words but still wouldn't get the meaning without knowing it.
You guys missed it because you didn’t have subtitles on, but when the tabaxi and vax are speaking the subtitles show some different dialogue because they are speaking in theives cant
oh now I have to watch the episode again.
were there not hardcoded subs for that section? I don't think I ever have regular subs on but the subtitles for those lines still came up for me.
@@troikas3353they are hard coded.
They were playing.... "Ukatoaaaa"
I clapped for the “Cat”-thew Mercer bit, Jay 😂
Meow-thew Mercer is just as good. :)
This might just be considered Keyleth's "Earth Trial."
I appreciated the use of thieves cant in this episode.
6:00 the pun you were looking for might have been "meow do you want to do this?"
I was in the middle of something but then I saw this.... dropped everything
Season 4! I am already looking forward to another season of your reactions!
Scanlan hid all those papers the same place Wolverine hid his mask in Deadpool and Wolverine.
Cat-thew Purr-cer was also an option
6:50 the Adamonte got more out of me than it should’ve
Jay was on top of it with the puns in this one.
I believe the answer you're looking for is "Cere-grow"
Matthew Mercat
Lets go,Kiki! (And Peaches!)
Holy crap, I finished this episode like 30 seconds ago!
yeah im wondering if bards lament is gonna be this season or not
Nah, it’s going to be later, and very modified.
Kinda but heavily changed. Basically the ending of the last episode this season. I liked it and it worked for the show but it's a different tone from the original
@@tomjones8859 The actual Lament will probably occur later. Sam said as much.
Really wouldn’t mind just like 3-5 more of post episode gab
We seem to have lost sound on this video!
So Percy was killed by one of the guns made with Orthax right? Doesn't that mean that Orthax has his soul? I'm betting we get Percy back after Ripley is dead.
Jay is a prophet confirmed?
Hello Jay and Adam. You guys are great. Please do a Transformers One reaction.
The Ashari constantly judging Keyleth for not doing her Aramente and saying these rituals are too dangerous and it's like "I'm sorry did you not see how many dragons and demons and devils and vampires I've been saving the world from?"
Only people from the US and New Zealand would understand your prescription drug commercial joke
Cat-mew Purr-cer
Keyleth going off on the Ashari council was a great moment. But her going off on the rest of the party... not so much.
Like cool she ended up being right about Raishan but I think the whole party knew they couldn't really trust her. Rahsaan just presented them their only way forward. Like yea Keyleth, you kept saying don't trust her, she's up to something, but you also had no alternative plans. Everyone else was trying to find a way forward and Keyleth just shut every plan down without presenting one of her own. THATS why no one listened to her. Just because they knew it was probably a trap didn't change the fact that it was their only option.
Uk'atoa save Vex!
I mean turning into a giant fire elemental is an efficient way of getting your point across
but if Kiki is about to go from the earth, of the earth and to the earth, good thing she rooted herself
Yeah. I saw a couple things in this sequence that made wonder about the future and how some moments are going to land if they make it into animation.
Mathew purrser
Catt Meowcer
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Guys please watch the creature commandos trailer please
Listen, I love Kiki. She's great. But her reasons for running off like that, while understandable, are unreasonable. Yes, they ignored her warnings. Yes they questioned her choices. But she never, not once, offered a different solution outside of going along with Raishan's plan. She never said, what if we did this to defeat Thordak instead. She didn't provide an alternative, she just kept repeating, guys don't trust her! she's evil! and the team was really like, yeah we know but what u want us to do about it? then frustrated silence from Kiki. Like, come on. I get being mad that they questioned you, but their questions made sense given the fate of the entire world was at stake and u weren't offering any kind of solutions!
Beyond that, this ep was awesome!
Well, the big problem was simply that they trusted her. Because they did, Raishan knew about all their plans and was able to prepare accordingly.
Kiki didn’t need to have an alternate plan to know that trusting Raishan with their were-abouts was a bad idea. Her plan was “stop involving Raishan in our planning.”
@@calvinjohnson6242 From the moment Raishan contacted Vox Machina, they had no real choice about working with her. Unless they wanted to abandon Whitestone completely and disappear. Raishan could have betrayed them to Thordak any time she wanted to, and he would have either sent Vorugal there to destroy it, or he would have gone himself.
So, yes, if they shouldn't have worked with Raishan at all (an open question), then there needed to be an actual plan about how to deal with the hidden dragon in the room.
I very much agree with this. No one was like 'yay I love raishan! She's awesome and we shouldn't listen to Kiki!'
It was always that the team didn't have a better way to reach their goal. Raishan was right about the eggs and was truthful in the revelation to vax about thordak ruining his hometown. She did manipulate the team, but she would have lurked around to steal that dragon corpse.
All raishan did was speed up the timeline of killing thordak, which they needed to do anyway because of all the hatchlings. This situation wouldn't have turned out differently.
Raishan having ulterior motives isn't something that anyone else on the team would have denied.
@@calvinjohnson6242her knowing the plan didn't really change anything. All she needed was tail thordak until the team managed to kill him.
Raishan just spurred them to do it quicker so that she could get to thordak's corpse before she became one.
But the team couldn't have delayed to ensure raishan died first because they had a brood of dragon eggs as a ticking time bomb.
I very much agree with this. No one was like 'yay I love raishan! She's awesome and we shouldn't listen to Kiki!'
It was always that the team didn't have a better way to reach their goal. Raishan was right about the eggs and was truthful in the revelation to vax about thordak ruining his hometown.
All raishan did was speed up the timeline of killing thordak, which they needed to do anyway because of all the hatchlings. This situation wouldn't have turned out differently.
Raishan having ulterior motives isn't something that anyone else on the team would have denied.
My biggest complaint with the show is Amazon didn't approve S4 earlier. The Critical Roll group gave everything they could each season, but could have fleshed things out more had they known S4 was assured with a possibility of S5.
I doubt there will be a season 5 of vox machina, however i think the Mighty 9 getting 2 or 3 seasons is guaranteed at this point.
No, absolutely we won't, but we know they could have easily done 5 or 6, and they have done an amazing job squeezing so much in. Also, appreciate the S2 and S3 easter eggs. I wish real hard for 9 seasons of M9 (could it be more poetic???) But I will be okay with 6.
The fact that they switched Vilya's disappearance from the water trial to the earth trial makes me think that they're going to change how that plotline gets resolved. Because while it was fun in the stream, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a scripted show to resolve a major plotline in a different show by characters who don't realize the implications of who they just found.
I really quite liked the story work this episode, unfortunately the audio engineering at Titmouse seems to have been done by an unpaid intern on this episode.
Weakest episode of the so far great season (more than likely because it had to be made up to fit the shows canon), but what it sets up should be good.
They wasted so much animation time on turning a simple Scrying spell into an episode long endeavor. Why didn't they just give her the spell like they did with Transportation Via Plants?? Because they wasted so much time, they didn't include arguably some of the most important aspect of the series. This and all the dumb stuff they're doing with Pike has just ruined this season and the overall story at large.
so long
Is this about the Bard’s Lament? Because you know they couldn’t end this season that way - they thought they might not get a season four.
Sam said they have plans to harken back to it in a later season, so y’all can make like a retired pilot, and cool your jets.
Also, I love the Pike stuff. Zerxus is awesome. Blind faith is lame. The new story is giving her an arc she never got to really have in the original.
@calvinjohnson6242 not disagreeing, but the blind faith comment is incorrect. She's seen and talked to her God. A god that has guided and helped her. So it's not blind. Blind faith is extremely lame though.
@@irishbullmatt I understand your perspective. I suppose I’ve always been uncomfortable with the idea of putting all your faith in a powerful and immortal being who can’t possibly have all your best interests at heart.
It’s more interesting to see faith challenged and reforged with less toxic boundaries, where perhaps the Everlight will realize she must not take Pike for granted, and respect her enough to let her make her own decisions. So far, the Everlight constantly seems to threaten Pike with removing her powers, and Pike relies on the Everlight a little too heavily.
Maybe now we’ll see more of a symbiosis.
Makes you wonder how they're gonna explain Jester's scrying spell in the future
Man i was so excited for this finale, but they dropped the ball so hard that I don't even know how the rest of the story can happen now. I may not even watch season 4 if this is the kind of thing they're pulling. I want the money I gave to the original Kickstarter back.
bye
For the sake of my sanity, I’m replying to let you and everyone else know that your opinion is the minority.
Yes, the Raishan fight was a bit rushed, but the Thordak fight and everything else was so good, to me it doesn’t matter. This season was awesome.
I find that most people who are angry with this finale are mostly upset about the lack of a Bard’s Lament, and are projecting that onto the rest of the season.
The Lament needed to be moved because the way it was working out with not knowing if they had a fourth season, the last episode of this show could have been Scanlan leaving.
Sam said the Lament will be harkened back to in a later season.
Even if they did remove it, I think this attitude is a bit lame. With genuine respect and no intended malice, we don’t really want you here if you’re just going to just be bitter. Please find somewhere else to complain.
i totally desagree, is just think people where expecting one specific scene and that didnt happen because the character in the show where develop in different ways, in the end they get in the same place of the original arc but with out the drama and the miscomunication, because again in a show those arcs have to develop in other ways. And look if you dont like it and prefer th original thats ok and you are entitled to your opinion, but the whole "I want the money I gave to the original Kickstarter back" is just stupid, because that money was for the first season, if at this point you are whining that you dont like it that your fucking problem
@@andresfelipemanjarres7061It’s absolutely the Lament. People are using anger at one omission to go back and criticize everything about the show. Now that their “worst fears” are realized, they’ve become insufferable, which is honestly very sad.
I was slightly disappointed we didn’t get the Lament, but I got over it in a few seconds. I think a lot of us did. There was minimal build up, and it wouldn’t have happened as it did in the show with Pike there to help Scanlan.
However, all you got to do is a little research to realize they didn’t do the Lament for a very good reason, and they are planning on doing something similar to it in a oater season.
That’s the worst bit about this complaining. The Lament is still happening!
@@calvinjohnson6242 Completle agree and the only extra thing i want to add is that this story and character are theirs to modiffy how they want, just like with the campaing a lot of people think that they just pay other people to write about this characters, but if you just follow them you know that at least in the show Travis, Sam, Liam and Marisha have writen or had imput in every episode, and the other cast have their opinion on the overall story. at the end of the day is ok if we dont like the way a scene was adapted (i personally prefer the way Ripley is deal with in the campaing) but at the end of the day they understand what is better for the character and the storie better than us so i respect any change or cut they deem necesary to make sense for a televition program
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