Star Wars: The Fans Vs Disney
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2018
- George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney in 2012, the franchise has changed a lot since then and some say not for the better. Why have Star Wars Fans turned against Disney? Were they ever on board in the first place?
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We hit a Million views! Thanks to everyone who watched this it was my first of many Star Wars documentaries, sorry about the annoying music was simply a rookie mistake due to rushing this documentary but I promise the next one will be even better! May the force be with you my friends!
I watched the video just after 1M views! And I really enjoyed it :D
Don’t worry it’s well put together.
ur "hardcore fans vs casual fans" thing kinda turns me off. sure some people r more vocal than others but in the end the split goes between fans and people ho never cared and saw one random movie. its an overal money grab this days and the "hardcore fans" that did introduce star wars to their kids and kept the fever alive r less and less interested. star wars was allways about entertainment and its getting less and less entertaining, both in movies and games.. facts..
@Jag5tarZ agreed, but the OG ones are Geat but the new ones are 50/50 there Great and also not so great
thnx for including SC reviews, u earned a sub
I don't like Disney, it's coarse.. and rough.. ruins everything..
Not like you
*Looks at copies of all the Prequels and Originals*
Disney lost the high ground.
Joe Scott and I still have the high ground. How civilized
Im sorry for what they did to your son
And it gets everywhere
Disney: "YOU TURNED THEM AGAINST ME!"
Star Wars Fans: "You have done that yourself."
George Lucas: "you have done that yourself."
@@cyberchild7018 honestly I wouldn't be surpised if +Michael Connolly is right in this context. They would blame the fans for them ruining the franchise
Michael Connolly u serrated comment lmao u need more likes!
@@jakephreel I can't agree more, but I meant that Lucas was the one telling Disney that they're the ones.
George: "You were my brother Disney, your were suppose to help destroy the SJW's, not join them"
Disney: "I HATE'CH YOU!"
Fans: We don’t like Rey
Disney: You’re sexist and don’t like strong female characters
Ahsoka, Leia, and Padme: hold my beer
More like "Am I a joke to you?"
eyubeon aayla secura, luminara unduli, bariss offee, asajj ventress,
*boi*
@@kitsuneoffacade9120
Tenel Ka Djo, Jaina Solo, Mara Jade, Winter Celchu
NRubric EU should be canon
The Xenomorphian I agree
Jedi: Fallen Order:
Good
Mandalorian:
Good
Clone Wars:
Good
Rise of Skywalker:
...
We don't talk about that one.
"Rey is a Mary Sue"
If these kids could read they'd be very upset with you!
*points at KK, JJ Abrams, RIAN Johnson and SJW*
It was terrible, rushed, stupid, illogical and ruined the very cause the original and prequel trilogies exist.
TRoS relied too much on fan service to tug on our heart strings. I'll admit, I actually liked it on first viewing, but looking back on it, the story and overall payoff was not good
What about the prequels?
I agree about the rise of Sky-Zombie
Jedi: Fallen Order sucked as far as I'm concerned. Ya, lets have a SW game that glitches you right out of the game, over and over, has so little combat that you may as well not have a lightsaber at all, with such terrible game mechanics that you end up throwing your controller out the window, in frustration because you can't do anything properly. Oh boy, where do I sign up for THAT beta? The fact is, they ignored what the fans wanted, which was a TRUE sequel to battlefront 2, and 1313. But noo, they had to cancel those. Hell, they even sued the makers of the KotOR update, killing any chance we had of getting that. They didn't care what we wanted, and when they DID try to give us something (they thought) we wanted (TROS), they failed miserably with that too.
And TCW, they only made 1 season of that. They can hardly be credited with ANYTHING to do with that one, except giving us 1 season of a show that they realized they never should have cancelled in the first place. A better example would have been Rebels. It's not nearly as good as TCW, but it had it's charms. Personally, I only liked the first 2 seasons, then I was done with it.
How to ruin a franchise.
1. Sell to Disney
2. Sell to EA
1. In Cinemas
2. PCs XBox PS.
EA Battlefront 1 wasnt good, it was ok not good
EA Battlefront 2 too overhyped, was not good at launch, great currentlly due to Dice fighting for it with adding new stuff all the time
Storm I love the old battlefront 2 that was my childhood man
@@maxdavis897 k
@@M9Jenko marvel wasnt sold to EA
Star Wars fans: "I don't like Rey."
Disney: _"oh wowwwwwww typical sexist Star Wars fans hating on strong female protagonists!1!!!"_
The same Star Wars fans: *love Ahsoka Tano, Princess Leia, Bo Katan, Asajj Ventress, Padme, Hera Syndulla, and many other female characters the same as they love the male ones.
Yeah, we don't hate female leads. We hate characters that don't have any effort behind them.
@@CataciousAmogusevic exactly
I got berated on Twitter for saying that exact same thing, and that Disney is forcing political opinions on Star Wars
@@blazingn86 yikes. Literally I'm positive most Star Wars fans don't mind female characters (in fact, characters like Ahsoka Tano or Princess Leia for example are some of the most popular characters in all of Star Wars) Disney is just calling us sexist to justify their inability to write decent plots and complex characters.
Honestly! Rey is a poorly written character that has a horrible character arc. She doesn't deserve to be in star wars, but of course whenever a man says that they are characterized as being sexist even though they just want good writing. NO ONE CARES IF THE MAIN CHARACTER IS FEMALE OR MALE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD CHARACTER ARC NO ONE WILL LIKE THEM. Well, except for people who want to please the left... People just want good stories!Stop trying to bring politics into it! We need more Star Wars like The Clone Wars. I rest my case.
I'll NEVER forgive Disney for how they totally degraded and treated hero Luke Skywalker and completely ignored Anakin. Disney SW simply isn't Canon to me.
Damn right as far I'm concerned star wars ended at six just like terminator ended at two
I also believe what you believe sir.
My feelings exactly
If rumors are to be believed, the whole sequel trilogy won't be cannon to Disney either if all goes to plan hehe >:)
Timothy Zahn wrote the Thrawn trilogy which is still better than the Fraud Awakens by a few million times.
2:39 “most of the diehard fans feared that this would be too much Star Wars, and that the films would be horrible”
Well they weren’t wrong
If we hated the sequels because Rey was a girl, we wouldn't have boycotted Solo
George originally planned to have a female lead for the sequels too.
@@theajayyy - yeah, and she may have had an actual Character too.
Weston Robinson can’t we just have one male lead and one female lead
@@danielb.3515 - can't we just have good movies regardless of the sex of the leads?
Weston Robinson but if there was then maybe we could find some common ground
"The force is female" *Yoda becomes dissappointed in Rey for 800 more years*
Female it is gay I am not
“A Mary Sue, you are. Well developed, you are not.”
The force is anything that becomes controversial.
SK4rf Rey has nothing to do about It, this is KK
@@icecreamisyummy8490 I know but it is kinda about star wars too so i dont see whats wrong with that
Kathleen: he is very important to the saga
Mark hamil-literally Luke skywalker: WELL THATS GOOD TO HEAR
I swear he gonna get assassinated by a Disney hired bounty hunter
When All of California is SUS..........
@@jonathanadams7219 wha??
Disney: *delays episode 8 to "make it better"*
Fans after seeing it: *looks at Rian Johnson* "kill him, kill him now"
DEW IT
Jack ABoi He was too stupid to be kept alive...
@@stardustskywalker7327 Unlimiteddd, POWERRRR
DEW IT!
DEW IT!
Rey: “I’m a skywalker”
Fans: so it’s treason then
WE are the Senate!
Cito Gonzalez the council will make its own mind who is a skywalker, not Kathleen Kennedy
This comment made me laugh way to hard lol
I love democracy
AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHRRR! 🔃🔃🔃🔃
Disney: If it isn't in the original films, it's no longer canon.
Fans: Everything Disney Star Wars is not canon.
Fans matter more, so we win ;)
Maybe the problem is that the people in charge of the new star wars movies and games are prequel haters.
@@wafflestoast5228 their not prequel haters, there just star wars haters
@@wafflestoast5228 More likely the problem is that they weren't. At the time I would've called the prequels diabolical but that was fifteen years before I found out what the devil was _truly_ capable of.
The prequels were bad films, atrocious star wars films.
No one paid me any money to except their movies.
I remember watching the first two films of the sequels and thinking “You know, they aren’t the best, but you know, i’ll take it. Wasn’t expecting much since it’s coming from Disney.” Then when Rise of Skywalker came out and I had a friend come to me telling me he was about to spoil it against my wishes, but I would be grateful in the end. He told me Palpatine survived the 2nd death star and I kinda laugh and thought he was joking...
The original trailer for TRoS literally reveals Palpatine is back lols...
@ImOnIt4272 I watched TRoS for the Y-Wing
THE LAST JEDI WAS A GOOD MOVIE???!? Is that what I just heard? My poor ears, I don’t have enough insurance to fix the damage done to them.
It was a bad Star Wars movie for sure. But a far better and creative one than the 2 giant turds made by JJ Abrahams...
@Mustiboi Salman There is a different between liking something and thinking that something is objectively good or not. I like alot of movies that are badly made and not into good movies like the Shining or Jaws
@@MoreAwsomeMetal that's objectively false. Last Jedi made Force Awakens worse by creating plot holes it also copied Empire to a T and had the most contrived scenes in the series
I wanna see proof that Force Awakens is nearly as offensive as Last Jedi
Here is the thing Many people were in denial that episode 8 was bad. Basically they were in stage one of grief, no way Disney could a bad Star Wars even no way Disney could make a movie this bad. That what was happening. I didn't help that the media is a bunch a payed sheels glorifying it.
Anyone saying they liked The Last Jedi. Is in Denial(or still has rose tinted glasses on), A fucked Sheel, or just likes stuff other people hate.
It is a good individual movie, bad middle movie of a trilogy. Rise of Skywalker is the only shit movie in the Sequels. The main issue is that they never had a plan and let each director do their own thing, a recipe for disaster.
That "force is female" shirt is everything wrong with disney's star wars in one image.
Yup, and we're all men so therefore we hate Rey because she's a woman... Apparently
"Force is an unlikable female"
The Force is Female shirts had nothing to do with Star Wars. They were a Nike promotion that sounds Star Warsy. Then KK wore one and everyone lost it. Calm down.
@@iansmith6457 Cool story bro
@Comrade Gulag of OurTube its not that, its the horrible writing in rey’s character. And how Disney’s SW makes her such a Mary Sue
"Rian Johnson received so much praise for his work on the film-"
What!?
"-From Kathleen Kennedy and others at Lucasfilm."
Oh, gotcha.
Rian DID receive heaps of praise from most critics and audiences.
@@j-mshistorycorner6932
Look, I don't wanna get into the conspiracy theory that Disney paid off critics to leave glowing reviews of the movie...
But it's a helluva lot more plausible than Russian bots and trolls destroying the reputation of a great movie because it has women in it.
There were millions of people who saw the movie. Roughly half of those who saw it thought it was good and gave no more thought to it.
I can't find a Star Wars fan open to dialogue that doesn't think letting Rian get close to the script was a mistake, though.
We could have had a great script to go with the fantastic visuals. The directing Rian did is top-notch if you mute the TV.
@@eras1066 OK, the Russian trolls thing does sound suspect. (Great username, by the way.)
@@eras1066 it's legit bruh I remember looking at ratings for the movie when it came out and they were in the low 20s from audience and then 50k reviews got deleted to bump up the rating. Same shit happened to captain marvel
It can be a good movie, if it has some connection with the previous movie. I personally think letting different directors handling the same trilogy is not a good move
The force has NO GENDER, it’s a mystic form of magic.
This is the way!
legit
Not to Disney it's all about dumb strong female
Kathleen Kennedy says that the old starwars was mostly men but what about female leads like Princess Leia and Padmé Amidala
The original trilogy mostly focused on Luce Skywalker although the sequel trilogy was going to focus on Princess Leia.
Even Mark Hamill hated Last Jedi
Sure, reality can be whatever you want it to be.
@@Clay3613 that is the reality, he was constantly trying to tell people the movie wasn't going to be good.
Clay3613 i meann, watch any of his NUMEROUS interviews. you cannot tell me he liked it.
@@Clay3613 I think you're the one not living in reality bro. Go watch the many many interviews he had talking about how he didn't like the movie and what they did to Luke Skywalker.
@@ThatGuy76985 Yes, because clickbait taken out of context is truly what Mark Hamill thinks.
Disney needs to be stoped, they own 40% of the film industry atm
thats wild
And ironically Walt Disney himself fought against the studios for more independent producers back in the 50s
I wonder what Walt would think after seeing what a monster Disney has become... 😢
I don't know. History and National Geographic are perhaps the two companies that Disney has a reason to sell but either way, they should've been stopped decades ago after spending more than 3 decades of going really cheap in the live-action department to the point where nobody even cares about most of their live-action movies before 2000. Do you guys even realize that?
Smolby You may just get your wish. Keep an eye on the possible but out of Disney by Apple. Google it. Was just very recently & yes it has alot to do with the virus, virtually no one is going to movie theaters and not very many were before Corona Virus. Disney is well aware of the hatred for there films and they're finally getting it. It also has to do with their purchase of 21 St century Fox for which they had to pay over 30 billion if not more for and really, As farcas lucrative franchises go that Disney could capitalise on, there just aren't many there, aside from the 2 Alien & Planet of the Apes who's last entries didn't even make back their production costs so, it's for real & I hope it happens because if you thought what they did to star Wars was bad, wait until you see a Disney produced Alien film
@@chadwick4517
Most Alien movies got bad ratings from what I gathered and it's clear that people don't want anymore Alien films anyway. Plus, it's not like there's a possibility of toning down the violence because they *know* they'll get lots of hate if they do and the latest Predator movie remained R-rated. Case in point, people will want Disney to go R-rated because they especially expect thatt in Alien.
The last Jedi was a garbage of a movie.
True. But TFA and especially TROS were the bottom of the pit. JJ Abrahams is a complete fraud in the cinema industry...
@@MoreAwsomeMetal True, and remember: the whole Sequel Trilogy is garbage.
@@Sergeant_Camacho can we just agree that the sequels aren't part of star wars
@@Nigga.69 Yeah, we should just pretend the sequels dont exist and look forward to Favreu and Filoni, they will fix the franchise I assure you. Hope is a theme in Star Wars and is fans must have it so Star Wars may rise again into a good franchise, forget the sequels existed and remain positive for the future.
@@Nigga.69 absolutely!
"No one could live up to George, not even George."
- Happy Hogan, Far From Home
When did Happy said that?
@@abramsullivan7764 Far From Home
"Rian Johnson, a relatively unknown name to Star Wars Fans" Unfortunately we know his name now.
GiovanniPrince too well
I don't think he's a *bad* director but I do think he should've done a "Star Wars Story" ala Rogue One or Solo.
Ruin Johnson, Jar Jar Abrahms and Bad Reboot have fucked it all up.
Unfortunate to know the name of the director behind great films such as Brink and Looper? Shame :/
@Vino I have hopes Knives Out will at least give him a Wes Anderson appeal (saw it a few days ago at a film festival. It was great), but like Wes before him, TLJ pretty much guarantees working on more independent projects in the near future.
The fans did not turn on Star Wars, the fans turned on Disney, and their version of Star Wars. They destroyed it.
THIS COMMENT! WOW! Spoken like a true philosopher 10/10 congrats :)
the fans turned on Star Wars and George Lucas with prequels since that
Your my friend are now the best person
Yes, to me Star wars never failed me eve the prequels, but since the Evil Mouse took over Star wars has been going down a downward spiral.
AGREED Michael
i honestly really dislike how they have made star wars into more of a confusing comedy than an actual serious and full franchise
You know its bad when a fan makes a 50 minute documentary how you ruined a series
As Mark Hamil said “you need to think about the fans”
Mickey Mouse and his crew are only thinking about the credits. If they actually took some time to plan out the movie, it might not be as bad as it always turns out.
*Disney laughs*
DisnEAy: Lol, no
@@marni432 i bet Jaba the hut is behind this!
@@reddeaddude2187 clever girl...
“Did you ever hear the tragedy of The Last Jedi? I thought not. It's not a story George would tell you. It's a Rian legend. The Last Jedi was a dark piece of political and cultural subversion, so powerful and so wise it thought it could use the Franchise to influence the fandom to create everlasting riches… It had such knowledge of the dark side that it could even make the iconic characters they so cared about easily die. The dark, subversive side of the Franchise is a pathway to many narratives some consider to be unnatural. It became so powerfully hated … the only thing it was afraid of was losing money, which eventually, of course, Solo did. Unfortunately, George gave his apprentice everything he created, and then his apprentice killed it in his sleep. Ironic. George spent 40 years breeding a Golden Goose then sold it to a butcher.”
*clap clap clap* that was awesome!
munstrumridcully Preach!
Handclap
this has to be posted to prequel memes
Is it possible to learn this power?
Star Wars Fans: "you were the chosen one, it was said you would complete the saga, no leave it for darkness"
George Lucas: "you hated me!"
Me watching Disney Star Wars: “YOU’RE BREAKING MY HEART!”
Disney: “LIAR!!”
Prequel-Original Saga: I Hear, a new apprentice (Disney), you have, California, or should I call you.......Darth Calius?
California: Prequel-Original Saga, You Survived.................
Prequel-Original Saga: Surprised?
California: Your Arrogance BLINDS You, Prequel-Original Saga. Now, you will experience the full power of The Dark Side!
Nice synopsis, but you left out Disney attacking the fans who disliked TLJ, and Mark Hammill's months of dropping hints at his horror at working with Rian Johnson
he dropped hints since TFA that they were heading the hell direction
Is that Disney’s fault or Lucasfilms current management?
@@JRut99 Is Lucasfilms lack of character to protect its work from Disney. It's also Disney lack of vision and understanding of the franchise. Kennedy was to permissive with Bob Iger, she allowed him to treat Lucasfikm like it's Marvel Studios. Kennedy was in charge of chosing Jar Jar Abrams and Ruin Johnson, she was also not strong enough to protect Lucas involvement in the guidance of the new trilogy.
At the end Bob Iger took the fault, and declared that "it was too much, too fast". Kennedy said "We didn't realize this was not Marvel".
Julius Rutgers Disney bought Lucasfilms so there’s no difference. It’s all Disney’s fault.
Nobody wants dysmay, as the stories are not align with the original 6 films, as they attacked the fandom and called light sabres, laser swords is unforgivable, as making a mockery of luke skywalkers whole brilliant films by George lucas? How to crash star wars into the floor FACT!!
I WOULD HAVE PREFERED NO SEQUALS OVER THIS.
Preferred*
Sequels*
The funny thing is we don't need the Sequels for pretty much anything good in the series lately except for one neat little twist to start the later part of Fallen Order.
I personally never wanted a sequel trilogy, ROTJ ended the saga perfectly
NoChill you can go watch Deputy dog
you see, the fans are what's wrong with star wars, not the movies the fandom. people can't accept or appreciate these new films. if fans didn't drive Lucas up the wall he would have made the sequel trilogy. we made the death bed now we need to sleep in it.
The level of mismanagement of Star Wars under Disney has been so bad it's kind of hard to believe. This is the biggest franchise in the history of pop culture and they decided it would be a good idea to go into a new trilogy with no plan and the audacity to pull the plug on the old extended universe.
If there is anything you need to learn, it’s that if you ever own a really successful film company, don’t sell it to Disney. They will infamously screw it up.
Episode 9 failed, Fire Kathleen Kennedy
itwS okaY
@@noahowenst say that to its box office results
dark destoroyah metal wolf 468 yeah you’re right
@@dragonflamefilms5401 I saw it too and I think it is shit. I guarantee you all that money would go back if refunds were given
@@theotherbeatle707 Yep but Disney would never give up their money why...CAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT
I didn't even intentionally boycott Solo, I just forgot it existed. And I'm a huge Star Wars fan.
well it wasn't Star Wars so....
Honestly, I didn't forget. I just have some other things to deal with at the time instead.
I didnt see it because Solo is Harrison Ford, not some rando.
Exactly. You don't need an actual boycott. There's so much entertainment nowadays, you just need a lack of enthusiasm and that'll do it.
@bla blahblah lol oh he could be an awesome actor but naw, not down for them to write him like that and then be portrayed in such a way...just like what's happened with several of the other characters...it's a darn shame.
It's so sad that the fandom I love is dying under Kathleen Kennedy.
What if Star Wars and Disney shuts down?
*Disney* “We need to move away from the Skywalker family.”
*also Disney* Rey Skywalker
Everyone hated on the prequels and now look where that got us. Go back and watch the prequels and you'll see they don't deserve half the criticism they got.
The fans who were butthurt about how bad the prequels were are the reason George sold Lucasfilm to Disney. We can thank them for fuking Star Wars in the first place.
I still don't like ep1, the other two however are pretty enjoyable, despite the clumsy dialogues...
Prequels bad sequels bad.
Prequels are still bad though
Keep whining on about how the Prequels are perfect movies and how you "Never understood the hate they got" because you were a kid.
Disney: You turned the fandom against me!
Fans: you have done that yourself.
When you're happy with Disney that they're bringing Clone Wars back even though they were the ones that took it from you in the first place.
"You have allowed this dark lord to twist your mind."
REVENGE OF THE FANS
STOLEN! you stole the comment from someone on the same video, with 274 likes. Just scroll down and you'll find the OC
@Overkill XJ LOL "Where did we go wrong."
These are sociopathic narcissists. They don't think this way.
@Overkill XJ LOL "Where did we go wrong."
These are sociopathic narcissists. They don't think this way.
Rey: I'm a Skywalker now
The fanbase: "Skywalker or not, you must realize you are doomed."
Disney was one of the studios that turned down Star Wars back when George Lucas was trying to make the first one. Now that its a success they want it, and in a strange twist it has not been successful for them. Maybe they shouldn't have trashed George's outline for the sequels and ignored the rest of the EU stories and projects.
Kathleen Kennedy has completely ruined star wars
100%
Kathleen Kennedys didn't ruin star wars she was only sucking Disneys dick as all she is a puppet.
Jaiw, Disney has become her puppet now... no I’m not happy about it.
Disney reminds me of the CCP in China...😂😂😂 they think they knew what the public wanted but instead they just killed it without a care in the world but trying to bring in the money and now no one believes them anymore so it’s gonna be hard to do business in the future...it’s only the brainwashed die hard Star Wars fans that think anything after the force awakens film is good (which it wasn’t that good to be fair anyway but I was excited to see what they had to offer!) and now all I’m thinking to myself is that I don’t want to hand over my money to them anymore with their shit products....it’s such a shame to the fans and will never be the same again 😔 RIP Star Wars
Rip Lucasfilms you make some good shit but its over now sad
I still don't get the hate on the prequels. I loved them, always will.
They weren’t great but at least the contributed to the lore.
@@DH-fu7bx to each their own✌
Attack of the Clones had some issues
@derajalen I've never had a problem with Jar Jar or little Anakin, but I understand why others do. All that other stuff, I agree!
One name: Jar Jar Binks...
“The Force is Female” “Lando is pan-sexual”...wtf is wrong with these people?
Yea i hate how pretentious they make everything, even as lgbt i dont fucking care about anyones preferences i just want a good story worth watching.
Wow I just relieved several years of emotions and frustrations in under an hour. Great job Dude!
I'm afraid the boycott will be quite operational when Episode 9 arrives.
Nostalgia Works
Disney: you underestimate my powers!
The fans: Don’t try it!
Luke Huizenga JJs only talent is nostalgia-bait and plagiarism.
Disney : *Releases Sequels*
Fans : Brave, But foolish..
@@FirstnameLastname-us7mx shut the fuck up
I'm boycotting too, @Nostalgia Works
TLJ was pure GARBAGE
You have to keep in mind that all of this drama started with the judgmental stupidity of the "fans" in rejecting Lucas's original story plans in the first place, in response to which he gave up and sold it. The "fans" are directly responsible for this. If they didn't arrogantly think they knew better what Star Wars should be than the creator himself, we wouldn't be in this position.
I do think that Lucas could have done a better job in handling it by sharing the actual history and spiritual principles behind Star Wars and what he was trying to teach with the last trilogy, as I've been thinking about doing with my own TH-cam presence, but that doesn't excuse the "fans" from being self-absorbed arrogant idiots about it.
The bottom line is: this was Lucas's story and he has a right to tell it how he chooses. In general, movie fans are way too rigid and judgmental about movies and stories, and way too ignorant of how much work and passion goes into creating a good story. The disrespect was shameful, and I think the supposed fans who didn't trust his vision and proven storytelling abilities owe him an apology.
I disagree about Luca's ability to handle any story execution anymore, but I agree that it's ridiculous that fandom has this collective amnesia about how they trashed Lucas just as badly as they now trash Disney.
@@zippymufo9765 Anymore? He stopped making public films years ago. We don't know what he's capable of anymore, though some of us know that Filoni and Favreau are consulting with him and doing their best to follow his original vision as well as they can with someone else holding their leash.
I remember being so hyped for ep 7 before and after I walked out of the theatre.
No Star Wars film has given me that feeling yet
Disney: You turned the fans against me!
Lucas: You did that yourself, Disney!
Lucas: it’s over Disney everyone hates you
Disney: you underestimate my film making power
Lucas: don’t try it
@DejaVoodooDoll Nah Disney/Lucas films won't have to deal with its fans anymore. They will spend their money elsewhere and Star Wars will end probably for at least 10 years after episode 9. Bob Igerman has already said after 9 they are not making anymore for a while. So us fans will probably not get to invested in the franchise anymore. I for one will be waiting until episode 9 hits Redbox. Got better more important shit to do with my time and money instead of giving it to a company that does not like the fanbase of the property it bought.
@@MrChristofDracul all good things come to an end.
KinkyMustard 😅😅😅😅😅👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Lewis I agree with you my friend its over 40 years old it dam good just sad it not going with a blaze of glory
Kathleen Kennedy has no idea about Starwars and should have never been the lead person.
Just another example of a female getting an undeserved job on account of being female just so a mega corporation can appeal to their SJW audience for some reason. Also she can't be fired for her quite frankly, disgustingly offensive incompetence, because that would be sexist.
@@TheBigEmstos Fucking fire her or she's gonna be taken care of in uncivilized means.
@@protogensvisiontimelost254 What's your problem?
@@sprodersprack4257 She fucking sucks.
Classic Trials Channel AND THATS A FACT
NOT A SINGLE REAL FAN LIKES THE NEW TRILOGY PERIOD! 😒
watching this in the future where ep nine happened already... realizing the mandalorian is pretty much the only thing we have left right now.
The only good things of Disney Star Wars: Rogue One, Rebels, season 7 of cw, and the Mandalorian
Rebels was just a watered down, more kiddish version of Clone wars.
I like Mandalorian, but it’s definitely overrated
I liked force awakens
The last 5 minutes of rogue one being badass don't make it a good movie 😁
Rebels was kinda cool but solo?
Star Wars producers: "We will not be digitally recreate Princess Leia."
In other words, they will definitely digitally recreate Leia...
Subvert your expectations!
@@FirstnameLastname-us7mx they did, haven"t you seen the Episode 9 teaser? Rey hugs CGI Leia at around 1:34 timestamp
And they didn't just used deleted scenes from Force Awakens
They've done it once.
They'll do it again.
After all, they do enjoy 'Subverting our Expectations' (To sell toys)
Well, they did use a CGI Leia in Rogue One.
This documentary needs a sequel as the war between Disney vs fans has went to a whole new level
We're working on it, 2022 mate
This is the first time I heard Johnson say the title was singular. In all foreign languages it's plural. That's a bit strange because the property owners have final say over foreign titles, which can and often do change wildly. (The Godfather for example is called "The Big Powerful Boss" in Brazil)
Disney executed order 66 by claiming the Vader fan film
they gave it back, but it is up to people whether they forgive or not
@@Banana_Zach did they really? Surprised the greedy corporation did not double down on "man-babies" 🤣
To me, they executed Order 66 with TLJ, TFA was just to hook us and make money at the theaters for their next project so they could do the deed with TLJ, imo.🤢 Well, WE have "the high ground" now. 😠 So, they're gonna keep KK for another 3 yrs. huh? 🤦🏾♀️ Well, that'll be another 3 yrs. of money loses then. 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾🤣🤣🤣
WillFanofMany ya, Disney stepped in and said like undo what you have done.
Vader goes to anger management?!😹
"[D&D] were certainly talented"
Oh, oh... that claim didn't age well...
Honestly shitting myself for the D&D and Johnson trilogy 🙈
Well Kennedy selected them. What did you expect?
That woman certainly knows how to recognize talent...
@@electricdreams8237 I hope nobody tells her that D&D are MEN.
D&D are talented, they directed all of GoT after all, it's just that after they got word that Disney were offering that sweet sweet cash they peace'd out of GoT and dropped the series, that's why the last 2 seasons are rushed beyond belief, they wanted to get started on the Star Wars money boat as soon as possible. They're not bad writers or directors, they're bad people.
Hopesedge No, GOT went downhill after D&D ran out of source material.
I would of preferred movies based from an old era like when Darth Bane, Darth Nihilus, or Darth Revan was around over the new trilogy
And who could imagine that, in comparison to “The Rise of Skywalker”, “The Last Jedi” would be a masterpiece...
Remember Gorge lucas probably sold star wars to Disney because of all of the hate on him after the prequles
Fans really got what they deserved.
Its funny now that a crowd of people can apreciate the phantom menace now. I never hated any of the films when they came out when i was young. I thought this was pretty cool stuff! I loved thar robot with the one eye!
I loved the Prequels. I never ever understood the hate on them.
@@southdakotan5711 same man, same
Is there an interview or something he said about this? I'd really like to know.
I will never pay money for something related to star wars again until Kathleen Kennedy is fired!
Same for me! But I'll also wait R.Jonhson to be thrown into the pit of carkoon
Agreed
Exactly
I should’ve read this comment before I bought the Blu-rays for Episodes 7 & 8..
I haven't bought anything star wars since January 2013 😂
I love the prequels as i grew up with them, and everybody i know (who are into star wars) like them to, but a lot of older fans don't like them. This makes me wonder if in 10 years time, the new fans who are know kids will feel the same way. Although i doubt it since the new star wars films lack originality and/or creativity, and the mcu is basically a better alternative for kids now
Star Wars is generational people who grew up with the OT don’t like the PT, and from what’s going on so far people who grew up with the PT don’t like the ST or at least the majority of the prequel generation of fans don’t like the sequels
When i saw the title to the rise of skywalker i was so excited will anakin come back or luke i couldnt wait and then i saw that nobody rised i was so confused and disapointed
Just let Mark Hamill direct future Star Wars films. He listens to his fans.
A MAN??? You horrible sexist.
@@television1088 and a straight guy too??? What a shame...
@@television1088 Not even transgender, how bad
drunkenWilli ive been begging for that to happen!!! please disney!! come on!!!
Thomas Ley geaorge lucas was a fan. thats what made the movies so good. he made the movie because it was something he wanted to see himself.
"D&D are good writers." said no one after season 8 GOT.
yep.
The only problem was that it was rushed which wasn't it's fault. No the ceo of disney didn't write the sequels Lucasfilm did. Everyone was gonna hate the sequels they literally said before they made them its gonna suck and that's final.
"D and D", and "GOT" Writers? Speak English please.
@@NuclearNuke41 because you don't know the terminology doesn't mean they aren't speaking English
@@thebossmana I know they are acronyms, but how do I know they are English acronyms? She also expects everyone to know what they are too.
Did anyone notice that in the disney films (7+) they introduced coarse Language on a minor scale (Cr*p, Hell Etc.) that goes against the rest of the movies?
Can we go back to 2015, 2016? Where we all were excited? Where we all loved TFA? Where we were a bit worried but excited for Rouge One? Where we all thought Battlefront is a pretty good game? Honestly, I'll never forgot the hype for TFA, the whole world just said *"holy shit, fuckin starwars? epicccc"* I'll miss that time for the rest of my damn life.
Not to mention the 50.000 plotholes that completely break any continuity in TLJ. Nothing in this movie holds itself to any established rules. I was suprised Frodo didn't show up
SoulSc0rcher I recommend watching the CinemaWins video on TLJ.
STFU about TLJ already, it was a good movie. A lot of people think so, no need to jump on the band wagon
You can like it as much as you want. All the more power to you. It's still a bad movie that makes no sense and seeing how you know about the "bandwagon", then you also know the solid arguments being made for it's massive gaping holes and nonsensical story. I'll shut up about it the moment people actually acknowledge it's bad, but they still like it. There's movies that are bad that I like as well. I'm not gonna pretend they're great movies tho.
@@Souledge5 Except all the critics seemed to like it just fine....but not the ultra toxic fan base apparently. Let me guess, Disney bought all those reviews right? How about its score on cinemascore? You know the review site which asks people to rate the movie right when the leave the theater on opening day...yeah sitting at a solid "A". It has 91 percent on rotten tomatoes and 85 on metacritic (which averages all critic scores). You know the first week before all this toxic crap flooded the internet, TLJ had phenomenal user reviews as well. When I went, (on the 3rd day it was out), people clapped at the end. So don't give me that bullshit. People stopped enjoying the movie cause they went into it expecting to hate it. Idk if you know who Ben Shapiro is, but he is known for being a fairly impartial judge of pretty much anything. He didn't like TLJ, yet was able to come up with so many positive aspects of the film. However, every comment I see is like yours- over-dramatic, bandwagon on the hate train BULLSHIT. Frankly its easily one of the better star wars movies, especially when you consider Rian Johnson had to write this movie after that dumpster first, hot pile of garbage that was TFA. Haha and if you don't think EVERY single star wars movie has gaping plot holes (and some way worse than TLJ) then you are deluded.
@@emperormouse5487 it was not, TLJ broke star wars in many places(bending/tearing the established rules of the universe), TLJ didn't answer anything about The force awakens and basically didn't follow certain rules for movie making. TLJ is/was a bad movie, it's a simple fact.
Since George Lucas sold his company to Disney they have:
Shut down the fan loved and financially successful Clone Wars.
Shut down the financially successful Star Wars games division which were producing a game that through hype alone was guaranteed to be a success.
Released two god awful sequels which are so bad that fans have realised that the prequels are actually GOOD now.
Released several animated successors which have largely been rejected as regurgitated crap by the community.
Released SOLO, an alright film that was destroyed by fan rejection of the chaotic practices of Disney.
What's next? How much longer will they continue to insist and destroying our beloved franchise before they just give up and Star Wars is shelved for decades...
You forgot about nuking The EU
Wanderer628 Don’t forget that they confirmed and even got a director for a Boba Fett film, and then decided to cancel it
@Dovahgatr After they realised that the fans are getting annoyed
You forgot the battlefront mess
@@Phaileen001 That ain't on Disney's part. That's just good old EA being themselves.
The Sith Jedi Wars on Malachor would be a good movie or trilogy
What about a KOTOR era trilogy ?
The same thing
This is an amazing video. Good job on editing relaying of info, just stellar video
Well wasn't this just DEPRESSING to watch.
mr. plinkett: jj aka jar jar mystery box abbrams is the worst thing to happen to star wars since the birth of my son
I wonder if that poor guy who said he watched episode 3 at the same spot he is watching episode 7 at 10 years later with his sons after missing one of their births gave up on the franchise after episode 8...cause good god...poor dude..in one way you feel bad cause its just pure joy and hope and excitement and I hope he wasn't let down but in another way its kinda funny cause while loyalty matters its why we don't get better quality cause these media people know idiots will eat up anything with the name brand on it even if its low quality sadly and make as much money as they want off these fools without proving the right service and its an endless loop
@ThesuvW NO YOU
Yep
That’s for sure, it killed me to rewatch Disney destroying the EU
Jesus. I never actually internalized how completely and ruthlessly Disney demolished my faveourite franchise before I saw your video.
And I'm still only at 9:32
Yeah I cried so hard that robot chicken couldn't make a Star Wars show....GTFO
Truly sucks
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Star Wars?
This was a great video. Thanks for giving a factual account without all the fluff and noise normally found in YT fan videos
The Expanded universe is still canon in my eyes
And forever it will be canon
Yeah disney canon is not canon for me
It is more canonical then anything Disney makes because it's narratives were 'approved' by George Lucas. Thus they have more connection to the original creator and THAT is what defines cannon. People confuse canon with continuity, the former is defined by WHO made it, the later is a set of fictional history that is being used for derivative work.
Thesnaccattackishere hell yeah. I’ve read just over a hundred Star Wars novels and will not be told they didn’t happen
The Expanded Universe is definitely more canon than Disney's additions.
You left out continuous attacks on the fans by Kathleen and her cultists. Everything that I loved about SW was destroyed. I m done with SW
He also said the backlash against Felicity Jone's character was simply because she was a female lead so that might give you a hint as to why.
Kennedy put the J in the middle of SW.
@Filmfan Johnny You don't know me. You assume much. I even deleted the games
@Filmfan Johnny im probably the biggest star wars fan you'll meet and i havent seen nor will see Solo or The Last Jedi. Im not okay at all with their bullshit political stuff they keep pushing in the movies. Keep the SJW PC culture out of my star wars movies. I'll play Kotor 1&2, the real battlefront 2 and watch the prequels and originals all day every damn day but ill be damned if i ever rewatch TFA or even try to watch Solo or TLJ. TFA is a shitty remake of a new hope and the last jedi destroyed all the interesting things JJ had set up in TFA. I doubt ill watch another Star Wars media unless its made by Dave Filoni or its the Kenobi film, and only if that has Ewan McGregor playing Obi Wan again and they keep kathleen kennedys grubby sjw hands out of it. "THE FORCE IS FEMALE" shut the fuck up kathleen kennedy the force isnt a fucking sentient being its a god damn part of the entire fucking universe amd its not a fucking living thing its like gravity and atmospheres its just fucking there the damn sjw fucking cunt tries to SJW everything
@Filmfan Johnny Then why did solo flop?
George Lucas should’ve never sold it.
Am I the only person that loves the prequels? They’re definitely not perfect, but they expand the lore. Plus, the action, politics, and new characters (besides JarJar he sucks) are fantastic. Quigon Jin, Darth Maul, Count Doukou, and General Grievous are all fan favorites and iconic in the universe! I can understand why people don’t like them, since they don’t even come close to the originals, but they have a certain “regal” charm to them that I personally love!
As a casual Star Wars movie fan, I can safely say that The Last Jedi killed my entire interest in Star Wars. I’ll just stick with the OT. This is a sad time.
Completely agree. I went from being so hyped for the future of one of my favorite franchises to not giving a shit about it. I'll never forgive Disney
Unfortunately can totally agree with you. I have zero interest in rewarding Disney/KK for carefully dismantling the franchise into an unlovable entity.
TLJ is an awful, awful story. I love the sets, the FX, the acting, the costumes.
The story is just awful, awful, awful.
@@jumhed994 the story also deconstructs the entire story that came before it and shits all over it
The last jedi is awful. I hate it, and it ruined my love for Star Wars too. The fact it’s canon is insulting. I’m sticking with the Gearge era films
George Lucas: Where is Star Wars, is it safe, is it alright.
Fans: It seems in your anger you sold it to Disney
George: I couldn’t have. It was alive I felt it.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Only because the fans badmouth the prequels, causing George Lucas to sold to Disney.
😂
Kill him kill him now
Funny note: George Lucas actually voice Darth Vader’s No.
You will not take Star Wars from me!!!
We did not turned against star wars
Star wars turned against us
Disney: Rian Johnson will direct a new Star Wars trilogy. Me: God please no! No! NOOOOOOO!
He almost managed to kill an entire franchise single-handedly. And Abrams made the poor choice of trying to sort out the mess in Episode 9. He actually had a decent track record before that. I used to think that if Rian gets to do his trilogy, it will mean the end for Star Wars. But it seems more likely that everybody would just treat it like Sharknado instead, they would just pretend that it didn´t exist. So it would just mean a huge financial loss for Disney. I don´t care if his next movie wins 10 Oscars, I am never gonna pay to see his creations ever again. If nothing else, then as a protest against The Last Jedi. This is the kind of disdain that lasts an entire lifetime.
The most heart breaking part of all this is how crushed mark Hamill is. Disney got his hopes up that he would reprise one of the most iconic roles in movie history only to crush his dreams by ruining his character
Just the name “skywalker” sounds so badass. Shame on all of them. Even george lucas for handing his own life’s work completely over to a bunch of nutcases
I did feel sorry for him but Mark has turned out to be such a Twat , he hates me cause I dare hold different Political opinions to him.
Seems like a horrible human.
Please stop with this bullshit. Mark is fine.
@@Ihavehadmanynames7779just reminding you the reason George Lucas handed his work over is because of the “fans” ironic isn’t it?
Me when I find out clone wars is on Disney+ :
*YO HO YO HO A PIRATES LIFE FOR ME*
Ahoy! I too will raise the ol' Jolly Roger and plunder episodes!
You are A PIRATE!
Not me matey, The Last Jedi made me despise Star Wars so much I don't even bother to pirate their stuff anymore
All you ought remember this as the day you ALMOST caught captain jack sparrow
Ultimate Heresy man ye battle stations
most real, down to earth, truthful analysis on star wars
The Force Awakens had such good potential to set up a good trilogy. But none of the other movies after it were on the level that it was on. Even the trailer for TFA was better than the last 2 movies. It's absolutely my favorite of the sequels
DEAR DISNEY, these are a few of my favorite things:
Mary Sue's
Emo-Goth Whiny Tantrum-throwing Father-killers
Beloved characters randomly dying for no good reason
Broken hyperspace rules
Broken Force rules
Book-burnings
Unexplained Jedi-powers
Telling your child-audiences that they don't have to study or work hard to become good at something
Saving horses; but abandoning child-slaves
Illegal parking during a life-or-death mission
Dropping a life-or-death mission, resulting in the deaths of people... to save animals (because "priorities")
Passive-aggressiveness from someone who's supposed to be a "good guy" (or girl)
Nihilistic philosophy in a family-friendly film
Setting up storylines then dropping them, later on
"Empty gift-box" type subversiveness
Incompetent male-heroes
Incompetent female-heroes (while trying to tell us that they're awesome)
Turning a potential hero, who had a really good start, into a slapstick-humor "token black guy"
Telling your audience that they suck
Telling your audience that a cultural-icon of 40+ years that they love sucks, always has sucked, is a loser and should be forgotten... then killing him off, preventing anyone from ever correcting that statement, ever again
george must come back ..UTIL HES STILL ALIVE .without him ,theres no star wars ...theres no star wars
@@BitmapJack There is hope for the future. RTD continued Dr Who well back when it returned to the airwaves, and Manny Coto managed to turn ENT's last season into actual Trek, before it was cancelled. The problem here is JJ. Over time he's been shown to be a business man first, Director second. Which isn't bad... Directors need to manage budget's and teams etc, but since ep7, and the preceding Star Trek scuffle behind the scene's where he tried to shelf Prime Timeline Trek, I've come to see him as a businessman first, Director second... Fan third, if he ever was one.
A man who tries to shut down and shelf all Trek except his own isn't a fan. And while he was smart enough to develop a new ST universe, he wasn't smart enough to see ahead and plan the merch rights to work alongside existing Trek.
Don't forget the Vader mask in TFA !
Disney's a pretty decent fanfiction writer. But that's all they are and that's all they'll ever be.
and I'm not much for Star Wars fanfiction.
Let's just say most of the downsides are actually just Rose and Finn screen time and their incompetence...
Okay ahem
- Mary Sue's, boy Rey really took the cake on that one, i agree.
- Emo-Goth Whiny Tantrum-throwing Father-killers, I think he is very complicated and confused... but dark side and all, was Anakin better? I think he wasn't.
- Beloved characters randomly dying for no good reason, Okay... problem here,
Han Solo --> Harrison Ford asked for it
Leia is still alive --> dunno how much that'll help now :(
Luke --> He's one with the force... he could not be in a better position tbh. Would have liked to see him actually fight though, i admit that much
Phasma --> NVM, everyone's glad she died. (i hope for good, bringing her back would be so lame)
- Broken hyperspace rules. Well maybe, but it definitely was the most awesome collateral damage in movie history!
- Broken Force rules. Well I'm still glad they didn't just push and pull and mind trick anymore, i liked how they used the force in the movie
- book burning, THE HOLY WRITINGS OF THE JEDIIII, I liked the bubble bursting lightning tho
- Unexplained Jedi-powers. like the image-creating meditation? Luke's brain also created images in the dark cave of dagobah, I say it's possible. Want scientific proof? Because i sure would like to know how force lightning works then. I could probably think of an explanation myself, but same goes for any other "unexplained power" in the series.
- Telling your child-audiences that they don't have to study or work hard to become good at something. Well the force seems to change quite a bit, so what? Maybe the mediclorians realized the way things are they kinda suck? I personally don't prefer to eat the same meal every day. I think Sith and Jedi bitching at each other is old cheese. Been there, done that. Not sure if that's gonna continue forever, but I'd be glad about some sort of solution/unification.
- Saving horses; but abandoning child-slaves/Illegal parking during a life-or-death mission/Dropping a life-or-death mission, resulting in the deaths of people... to save animals (because "priorities")/Passive-aggressiveness from someone who's supposed to be a "good guy" (or girl)
---> can't argue with that, Rose and Finn completely suck.
- Nihilistic philosophy in a family-friendly film. Can't recall, but that doesn't sound good.
- Setting up story lines then dropping them, later on. I guess...
- "Empty gift-box" type subversiveness. Is this about Snoke? I think his death was perfect.
- Incompetent male-heroes. Finn and Poe
- Incompetent female-heroes (while trying to tell us that they're awesome). Rose and Holdo
- Turning a potential hero, who had a really good start, into a slapstick-humor "token black guy". Sad but true... this always happens.
- Telling your audience that they suck. Who needs Disneys opinion on that?
On my opinion at least not literally EVERYTHING sucks about it.
Didn't notice this is almost an hour long when I clicked on it.
I regret nothing.
I mean I would love to see a new trilogy, like new characters after episode 9. OR go back in time and do a Knights of the Old Republic 6 film series! There’s plenty of content for 6 movies. Revan, Malak, Bastila, HK-47, etc. there’s so many amazing The Old Republic cinematics and that there is so much that has been done that shows what can be done. Like the Old Republic Jedi vs. Sith trailer with the crashed ship into the Jedi temple. If you haven’t seen it you should
Bro no. Disney would just ruin it by making Bastila the main character and having Revan be some pathetic sidekick and Malak be defeated in 3 seconds by a barely trained Bastila
Hey at least Star Wars: Fallen Order was pretty freaking good.
It’s odd that the best aspects of Star Wars are now the spin off shows/movies and some of the games (well some of them) rather than the main movies.
My son to me: you fought in the fan wars?
The separatists were right all along. In the Clone Wars and in the fan wars...
Yes I was once a star wars fan, the same as my father.
Drath Kennedy is more commercial, and PC now than woman.
I am an Expanded Universe fan like other fans before me.
Elder74 before the dark times, before Kathleen Kennedy...
It is becoming pretty obvious that this whole franchise has become a heartless corporate cash grab
I don't understand with Disney how giving the people what they want isn't the best option. Literally if The Last Jedi was much better than it was. EVERYONE would be seeing it multiple times.
No, unfortunately it's not, it being a corporate cash grab would be fantastic, the Marvel movies are corporate cash grab, Star Wars however is caring more about being a vehicle for political ideas than trying to make money, it's too busy shoving diversity into every orifice it can manage and shunning anyone who complains about it
RDeathmark it’s better to listen to your fans than become pres of a once great filming company and use it only to get money.
Say whatever you want about TLJ but it was anything but a cashgrab.
@@usda_aproved2988because treating art like fast food meals is worst than simply disliking a film.
"DO YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE JAR JAR IN 3D??"
Yes, yes I want.
Imagine UY MUY with surround.