Timestamps: 5:35-6:04 "Cuck chairs are okay." -DN, 2024 8:48-17:45 Introduction and context 18:18-18:49 Mental Illness & Vtubing 18:50-28:28 Armcha1r's Thoughts on Hololive (& BilliBilli) 28:40-37:57 Nijisanji EN vs JP 37:58-45:22 Waifus, Tax Evasion & Sugarbabies 45:35-55:26 Vshojo & Talent-Centric PR 49:40 "I'm a f***ing coomer." -DN, 2024 55:40-59:13 We Hate TH-cam Shorts 59:14-1:03:43 Phase Connect's 'Menhera' PR 1:03:44-1:06:30 Monetising Your Menhera 1:10:34 "I should just f***ing take it in. Open my ass and let myself get lobotomised" -DN, 2024 (what did he mean by this?) 1:13:10-1:19:48 IdolEN's Interesting PR 1:20:04-1:30:33 AniLive, NEXAS & the Viability of a Vtubing Platform 1:30:34-1:31:40 DN is a massive Gosling Fan (He's Literally Me) 1:33:49-1:35:28 VAllure: Coming Onto the Scene 1:35:29-1:41:19 V4Mirai, Globie & Production Kawaii 1:41:20-1:42:12 V&U: Joining the Race to the Bottom 1:42:13-1:44:08 EIEN is keeping a low profile 1:44:09-1:44:26 VReverie Sent IP Assassins to the Stream 1:44:27-1:47:00 Flork's Vtubing Agency 1:47:32-1:50:09 How Vtuber Corpos' PR Models Evolve 1:50:10-1:52:24 We Forgor VSPO 1:52:25-1:54:15 How Vtuber Corpos' PR Models Evolve (continued) 1:54:20-1:55:30 Introducing the Termination PR Tierlist 1:57:40-1:58:36 Disclaimer & Demonstration (Ft. Zaion) 2:01:44-2:03:01 Coco Kiryu 2:04:01-2:05:20 Rushia 2:05:21-2:06:31 Yozora Mel 2:06:32-2:08:40 Vesper & Magni 2:08:45-2:13:39 Riro Ron 2:13:40-2:16:47 Amano Serafi (it's joever for V&U) 2:16:48-2:18:12 Neena Makurano 2:18:41-2:20:40 Oceane Otoishi 2:20:41-2:22:42 Riifu Evergreen 2:22:43-2:33:23 Fuura Yuri 2:33:24-2:36:10 Kaito Shindo (L) 2:36:11-2:38:26 Yugo Asuma 2:38:27-2:42:25 Selen Tasuki (& Ensuing Fiasco) 2:42:30-2:44:10 Kizuna Ai (& the Death of her Brand) 2:44:11-2:45:33 The Importance of Humanity to a Vtuber's Brand 2:45:34-2:50:41 NIJISANJI could've recovered from Selen but... 2:50:42-2:52:50 What Makes a Good CEO? 2:54:31 OtsuDN 2:54:48 Superchat Reading 3:19:10 I am foolish
2:39:59 Yugo was the first canary and he was chirping loudly and then suddenly silent. Zaion was the next one, and that canary died screeching. Then Matara and Kuro started singing in their new home, a stark contrast to how those canaries used to sound. Then the cheeriest, happiest canary of them all cried and ultimately died. Or maybe that cage had a fairy in it... it's a ghost now, and she seems happier for it. Then the laughing purple canary, or was it a lizard with feathery wings(?), stopped laughing. Then it was hurled out of the mine, beaten and bruised and very sad. When the Dragoons tried to take care of their yellow bird (odd, it was purple just then...) and make sure it could be happy again, start laughing again, the mine owners came to try to kill it. That's when the Dragoons, well, they did Dragoon things. I don't know what the mine owners expected, really. I mean, the little yellow bird's fans are named for a military unit after all.
2:09:45 I feel like the difference between Rio Ron and say, Nijisanji, is the source of damage they were inflicting to their images. Nijisanji is like a house built with a faulty foundation; the damages inflicted come from how Nijisanji built their house. Rio Ron on the other hand is like your kid accendently ramming your car into your house leaving a big hole in it; depending on the damages caused, it may or may not be structural, but it is certainly something the company would want to fix sooner than later.
2:49:55 if i remember correctly, NijiEN had a guy called Iwanagi as a their manager around 2021-22, arguably the best years of NijiEN imo. Unfortunately he got cancer, and after receiving treatment and some deliberation (i.e. deciding his vision for the ideal agency conflicts with anycolor) he left
Thank you for this VOD; it is astonishing how you analyze the Vtubers Corps by the PR they do. I enjoy what I have learned about VShojo's background team and how supportive they are with their talents giving them what they need to be happy. I do hope that Maybe some of what VShojo offers will go to the other Crops too. I do like them for letting their talents do other things while still being part of VShojo. I sadly don't know enough about how the other Corps works (Just got into Vtubers this year.) Though I do like how Holo way of letting their talents came back when they are ready and don't seem to push them back into the spotlight until they are ready.
Yagoo when a talent is struggling in Hololive: We will prepare multiple collabs and sponsors to help you grow Riku Tazumi when a talent is struggling in Kurosanji: Focus on our top talents!
Take this with a grain of salt, but Niji JP isn't doing so hot either IMHO: - June 2021, Suzuhara Lulu, a popular talent, left due to death threat and the suggested possible solution by Niji is to go indefinite hiatus aka to have no income until the problem's over - April 2022, Warabeda Meiji, AFAIK a music oriented talent, graduated - June 2022, Melissa Kinrenka, a music oriented talent, left supposedly due to dissatisfaction towards how Niji handles music rights - July 2022, Mayuzumi, a popular talent, left due to allegedly terrible Niji contract change - After the contract change event, talent hosted events appeared to be taken over by management one by one - Nov 2022, Axia Krone left, supposedly due to rabid GFE fans(Apparently, Axia want to be a normal fps streamer(?) while his fans insist he should be a GFE streamer) - May 2023, Asahina Akane, a music oriented talent, left - Jun 2023, Gundou baseball event and termination, later talked about her previous company being like a jail - Dec 2023, Aiba Uiha, which IMO a pretty popular talent, left - Jan 2024, Azuchi Momo, a veteran talent from 2018, and Yuki Chihiro, Niji 1st gen, left. Yuki Chihiro has expressed grief on how she was left alone to fight her anti, she won, but Niji supposedly swoop in and take all the credits. - Active veteran livers retweeted the account of Yuki Chihiro's reincarnation and then went to a long hiatus - Dunno if it's important, both the reincarnated Gundou and Yuki Chihiro followed Doki twitter account during the Selen event Looking back, I feel like the contract change event was Niji's turning point of descent from the golden age peak. The bottom of the valley was becoming more and more visible throughout 2023. EDIT: Wrong date on Lulu
Recommendation for future streams (both for the benefit of collaborators and listeners), instead of saying "here", it would be good to say the item on the screen that you're referencing. It was hard to follow without watching the screen, and it was obviously difficult for DN to keep track of at times, as well.
I think the visuals were fine. I'm just a listener more than a watcher because I like to listen while I go for a walk. I had to keep pulling my phone out of my pocket to see which quadrant you were placing the corpos into, and which category you were placing the vtubers. Regardless, though, it was an interesting discussion. Congrats on your first collab! May OBS treat you better in the future! @@theArmcha1rExpert
2:46:20 Nijisanji might have survived. They had an out with mikeneko talking about the mafu mafu situation. So shutting up and nuking the manager might have quelled the crowd not a black screen stream
Timestamps:
5:35-6:04 "Cuck chairs are okay." -DN, 2024
8:48-17:45 Introduction and context
18:18-18:49 Mental Illness & Vtubing
18:50-28:28 Armcha1r's Thoughts on Hololive (& BilliBilli)
28:40-37:57 Nijisanji EN vs JP
37:58-45:22 Waifus, Tax Evasion & Sugarbabies
45:35-55:26 Vshojo & Talent-Centric PR
49:40 "I'm a f***ing coomer." -DN, 2024
55:40-59:13 We Hate TH-cam Shorts
59:14-1:03:43 Phase Connect's 'Menhera' PR
1:03:44-1:06:30 Monetising Your Menhera
1:10:34 "I should just f***ing take it in. Open my ass and let myself get lobotomised" -DN, 2024 (what did he mean by this?)
1:13:10-1:19:48 IdolEN's Interesting PR
1:20:04-1:30:33 AniLive, NEXAS & the Viability of a Vtubing Platform
1:30:34-1:31:40 DN is a massive Gosling Fan (He's Literally Me)
1:33:49-1:35:28 VAllure: Coming Onto the Scene
1:35:29-1:41:19 V4Mirai, Globie & Production Kawaii
1:41:20-1:42:12 V&U: Joining the Race to the Bottom
1:42:13-1:44:08 EIEN is keeping a low profile
1:44:09-1:44:26 VReverie Sent IP Assassins to the Stream
1:44:27-1:47:00 Flork's Vtubing Agency
1:47:32-1:50:09 How Vtuber Corpos' PR Models Evolve
1:50:10-1:52:24 We Forgor VSPO
1:52:25-1:54:15 How Vtuber Corpos' PR Models Evolve (continued)
1:54:20-1:55:30 Introducing the Termination PR Tierlist
1:57:40-1:58:36 Disclaimer & Demonstration (Ft. Zaion)
2:01:44-2:03:01 Coco Kiryu
2:04:01-2:05:20 Rushia
2:05:21-2:06:31 Yozora Mel
2:06:32-2:08:40 Vesper & Magni
2:08:45-2:13:39 Riro Ron
2:13:40-2:16:47 Amano Serafi (it's joever for V&U)
2:16:48-2:18:12 Neena Makurano
2:18:41-2:20:40 Oceane Otoishi
2:20:41-2:22:42 Riifu Evergreen
2:22:43-2:33:23 Fuura Yuri
2:33:24-2:36:10 Kaito Shindo (L)
2:36:11-2:38:26 Yugo Asuma
2:38:27-2:42:25 Selen Tasuki (& Ensuing Fiasco)
2:42:30-2:44:10 Kizuna Ai (& the Death of her Brand)
2:44:11-2:45:33 The Importance of Humanity to a Vtuber's Brand
2:45:34-2:50:41 NIJISANJI could've recovered from Selen but...
2:50:42-2:52:50 What Makes a Good CEO?
2:54:31 OtsuDN
2:54:48 Superchat Reading
3:19:10 I am foolish
Thank you for the time stamps and all the best !
2:39:59 Yugo was the first canary and he was chirping loudly and then suddenly silent. Zaion was the next one, and that canary died screeching. Then Matara and Kuro started singing in their new home, a stark contrast to how those canaries used to sound. Then the cheeriest, happiest canary of them all cried and ultimately died. Or maybe that cage had a fairy in it... it's a ghost now, and she seems happier for it.
Then the laughing purple canary, or was it a lizard with feathery wings(?), stopped laughing. Then it was hurled out of the mine, beaten and bruised and very sad.
When the Dragoons tried to take care of their yellow bird (odd, it was purple just then...) and make sure it could be happy again, start laughing again, the mine owners came to try to kill it. That's when the Dragoons, well, they did Dragoon things. I don't know what the mine owners expected, really. I mean, the little yellow bird's fans are named for a military unit after all.
Perhaps the reason the purple -winged lizard- bird became yellow was because it had shed its skin and revealed its true colors of gold✨
2:09:45
I feel like the difference between Rio Ron and say, Nijisanji, is the source of damage they were inflicting to their images.
Nijisanji is like a house built with a faulty foundation; the damages inflicted come from how Nijisanji built their house.
Rio Ron on the other hand is like your kid accendently ramming your car into your house leaving a big hole in it; depending on the damages caused, it may or may not be structural, but it is certainly something the company would want to fix sooner than later.
28:20 I'm skeptical of the enforceability of a protection clause in China... Chinese courts tend to laugh foreign lawsuits right out of the courtroom
2:49:55 if i remember correctly, NijiEN had a guy called Iwanagi as a their manager around 2021-22, arguably the best years of NijiEN imo. Unfortunately he got cancer, and after receiving treatment and some deliberation (i.e. deciding his vision for the ideal agency conflicts with anycolor) he left
6:00 We have already been made aware of the artist rendering that has DN, Parrot and Rima
Thank you for this VOD; it is astonishing how you analyze the Vtubers Corps by the PR they do.
I enjoy what I have learned about VShojo's background team and how supportive they are with their talents giving them what they need to be happy. I do hope that Maybe some of what VShojo offers will go to the other Crops too.
I do like them for letting their talents do other things while still being part of VShojo.
I sadly don't know enough about how the other Corps works (Just got into Vtubers this year.)
Though I do like how Holo way of letting their talents came back when they are ready and don't seem to push them back into the spotlight until they are ready.
@Armcha1rExpert 1:01:35 I have heard that all Phase Connect members get PR training from the company, though I don't know if that's true
Looking at how effectively their talents advocate for themselves, it would not surprise me if that was the case
Pippa did a GOOD JOB with the gustavo thing, as mentioned in the last stream, so I think it's true
Yagoo when a talent is struggling in Hololive: We will prepare multiple collabs and sponsors to help you grow
Riku Tazumi when a talent is struggling in Kurosanji: Focus on our top talents!
Thanks for the vod!
5 am stream. I forgot, guess im vod gang today
Take this with a grain of salt, but Niji JP isn't doing so hot either IMHO:
- June 2021, Suzuhara Lulu, a popular talent, left due to death threat and the suggested possible solution by Niji is to go indefinite hiatus aka to have no income until the problem's over
- April 2022, Warabeda Meiji, AFAIK a music oriented talent, graduated
- June 2022, Melissa Kinrenka, a music oriented talent, left supposedly due to dissatisfaction towards how Niji handles music rights
- July 2022, Mayuzumi, a popular talent, left due to allegedly terrible Niji contract change
- After the contract change event, talent hosted events appeared to be taken over by management one by one
- Nov 2022, Axia Krone left, supposedly due to rabid GFE fans(Apparently, Axia want to be a normal fps streamer(?) while his fans insist he should be a GFE streamer)
- May 2023, Asahina Akane, a music oriented talent, left
- Jun 2023, Gundou baseball event and termination, later talked about her previous company being like a jail
- Dec 2023, Aiba Uiha, which IMO a pretty popular talent, left
- Jan 2024, Azuchi Momo, a veteran talent from 2018, and Yuki Chihiro, Niji 1st gen, left. Yuki Chihiro has expressed grief on how she was left alone to fight her anti, she won, but Niji supposedly swoop in and take all the credits.
- Active veteran livers retweeted the account of Yuki Chihiro's reincarnation and then went to a long hiatus
- Dunno if it's important, both the reincarnated Gundou and Yuki Chihiro followed Doki twitter account during the Selen event
Looking back, I feel like the contract change event was Niji's turning point of descent from the golden age peak.
The bottom of the valley was becoming more and more visible throughout 2023.
EDIT: Wrong date on Lulu
Recommendation for future streams (both for the benefit of collaborators and listeners), instead of saying "here", it would be good to say the item on the screen that you're referencing. It was hard to follow without watching the screen, and it was obviously difficult for DN to keep track of at times, as well.
Having clearer visuals for stuff like this is definitely something that I will be doing for future streams like this.
I think the visuals were fine. I'm just a listener more than a watcher because I like to listen while I go for a walk. I had to keep pulling my phone out of my pocket to see which quadrant you were placing the corpos into, and which category you were placing the vtubers. Regardless, though, it was an interesting discussion. Congrats on your first collab! May OBS treat you better in the future! @@theArmcha1rExpert
Name a better duo than Scuff and VTuber i shall wait lol
Damn forgot to set up the alarm, time to watch the vod
Gundou Mirei is missing but it's okay cuz she got a home run in the end
Vod gang, here I am.
2:46:20 Nijisanji might have survived. They had an out with mikeneko talking about the mafu mafu situation. So shutting up and nuking the manager might have quelled the crowd not a black screen stream
First for vod gang?