cold gas thrusters would do fine. unless they figure out how to counteract the ice build up or the problem that caused the vent that was stuck open cold gas thrusters or hot gas thrusters like what the old school boosters had would do fine.
He comes back and Tims like maybe what might be a good is…. And Elon cuts him off puts his hands over his ears and goes na na na na im a not listening na na na
Yeah I was laughing during the flight cuz Tim both put Elon on to using hot gas with his questions and diagnosed IFT-3's likely hot gas thruster failure in real time.
it was totally his fault yeah he definitely said "guys i got a great idea! put the hot gas thrusters on the ship!" yeah nah, he thought it was a dumb idea and Elon thought it was a good idea and since he has a room of yes men they just do whatever he says and now we're 3 flights in and all have had a catastrophic failure. they're testing their "the best part is no part" philosophy and so far they've only had to add parts that wouldve been suggested long ago.
It is quite funny but I highly doubt the engineers would allow the decision to go through if it wouldn't work, like someone else said it's probably that the vents simply froze over preventing the gas from leaving.
Most likely that the idea of Ullage thrusters on ship was already on the books to be implemented and all Tim did was double down and reinforce their idea.
Yeah as if Elon decides everything and doesn't listen to his engineers, I think the OP is actually playing the flute and thinks to be the genius of geniuses
There might be a hundred different reasons for various failures with IFT3. Until SpaceX and the FAA have concluded their investigation we really can't be sure what the ultimate cause for failure was. Honestly we should wait before calling out people (yeah Tim gave the idea but it isn't a bad idea necessarily and some tweaks might fix this problem, which SpaceX engineers might just have overlooked. This is why the whole iterative design process works in the first place, by learning from their mistakes)
Space x has the absolute best engineers on earth. These people are the pinnacle of their craft, I highly doubt this is a problem for more than a single test. Again, this is why they test.
Just so you know....They added more of them and The filters blocked up.....They then improved those filters and now it works just fine with some minor changes.
if the vessels are insulated according to the thermos principle, then there is not so much evaporation, because it partially turns back into a liquid state. during the shift, in the heat at TRZHK, I had to relieve the pressure once.
When the payload door opened the ship depressurized this caused the ship to lose control. This depressurized movement was why the door could not close.
@@ebenwaterman5858 The ship was pressurized otherwise it would have been crushed. As Ive heard many times from NSF that when the ship is not pressurized it's like an empty coke can.
It was pressurized in some way relative to space since it had smoke or some kind of gas swirling around in there that you could see rush out when they opened the payload door.
Tim Dodd, The Everyday Astronaut, is not above self-reflection on the outcome of past ideas and decision when necessary. It is possible that the hot gas thruster might have been a factor in the loss of ship 28 during the IFT-3 test. If the Hot gas cooled and froze within one or more of the ACS exhaust vent, that may have caused the loss of attitude control. It is the unlikely that anyone could has foreseen this issue during the Starship design and development. This is why testing under Real World condition, an not just in CGI conditions is important. Better to FAIL a test than LOSE an important PAYLOAD or A CREW.
Isn't the difference between hot gas thrusters and cold gas that the cold just pushes out gas whereas the hot gas mixes and burns gasses to create the thrust?
Well I wouldn't say the fact that they were using vented gas for attitude control was the main cause for the attitude control problems on IFT-3, the issue could have easily been something else. There are a lot of factors after all...
Lol, this was my very first thought when the ship was rolling around during IFT-3 that it was Tim's fault. However SpaceX have identified the issue and still believe in the idea, just beefed it up a bit for IFT-4
hahaha good one, however hot gas is not the problem, in space temps on average during the day around 120 to 125 Degrees Celsius, you boil rate is doubled that of what you get at sea level, Im sure space x knew to double or triple the size of your plumbing pipes and vents, was required but went with it anyways, also I doubt it was hot venting that caused Starship demise, it was cruising well below 200km, its exposed to atmospheric drag once engines where turned off ship began to turn,
Thing is and always has been with Tim, he thinks deep down he’s competent enough to be an engineer (lol) and that he can give valid commentary about all the physical calculations and mechanical design of various rockets. He can’t. His graphs and other first-principle topics in videos are so dumbed down they mean nothing. In reality, he used to be a wedding photographer and has an art degree. I pointed this out under one of his videos (where he was trying to critique starship design decisions like a chief PE) and I got absolutely lambasted for it. The last thing giving him any credibility was this and the moon mission, but I’m really happy to see where both have ended up lmao. Screw that guy and screw all his fan girl subs that think he’s rocketry god bc Tim tricks them into thinking you can competently introduce design decisions over chief engineers without an engineering degree. I’m all for fans of space travel, but the people getting inside access to Boca Chica as ‘influencers’ explaining these concepts should be actual engineers or else they paint a poor picture of the reality of engineering. Otherwise, in my opinion as an engineer (grad 2021), they do injustice to how hard it really is to get a degree in and work in engineering positions on things like this
What a terrible idea. Drastically complicate tank venting and if it fails in any way you lost your ship. Normally when you need something to be really reliable you reduce the amount of single points of failure and over-build the ones left over. Not everything needs to be reinvented.
I wonder how it happened, that the booster used one system and the ship used another. Maybe there were two teams, and one of them thought of it and the other one didn't?
I can see from the comments everyone loves this music, it makes me want to judge my ears out. I get the jab, it is funny, but...ouch. At least I now understand why grade school music teacher suicide rates are so high. 😐
The dor have bad mecanism, Tim idea is good , but make implement need work. In this F3 we see wath not work well and wath work well, back to work. My noob opinion.
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Ironman - "so how did you solve the icing problem?"
hahhahah thata funny🤣
By looking at it
The icing problem?
@@dakota4766 in the first Iron Man movie Tony flew the Iron Man suit high up and it accumulated a bunch of ice, causing it to malfunction🥶
@@jacobjones5716 lol I was trying to quote him saying “icing problem?” I added a the so didn’t get it right.
It was so sad when Everyday Astronaut held Elon and all the engineers at SpaceX at gunpoint and forced them to add hot gas thrusters to the ship 😰
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Its still a good idea and not a mistake,, i highly doubt SpaceX will change it other than make sure the vents dont freeze anymore.. 😆
We will see... The best idea wins. So let's see what Elon comes up with to solve it, maybe slowly venting always slightly will help. Who knows
What about on long term missions.
cold gas thrusters would do fine. unless they figure out how to counteract the ice build up or the problem that caused the vent that was stuck open cold gas thrusters or hot gas thrusters like what the old school boosters had would do fine.
@@TeslaTube elon aint coming up with shit, its the spaceX engineers who has to scramble to fix his idiotic ideas.
@@coolstorybrooooo7643 good point safety and reliability should be paramount even at loss of ability to manuever.
Can’t believe Tim blew up a multi-million spacecraft 😭
"But I'm just an everyday astronaut. I mean, I'm not a professional".
- Key statement of defendant
No more Starbase tours for Tim 🤣
He comes back and Tims like maybe what might be a good is…. And Elon cuts him off puts his hands over his ears and goes na na na na im a not listening na na na
Tim is there right now doing a star factory tour prior to IFT-4
The music has me dying laughing i couldn’t pay attention to the video
LOL I was thinking the same thing during the launch
Yeah I was laughing during the flight cuz Tim both put Elon on to using hot gas with his questions and diagnosed IFT-3's likely hot gas thruster failure in real time.
Roflol. Investigation complete. Launch ift4. My gosh. That flute was so perfect. ND the spiral at the end, lmao, priceless
Tim's going to have to wash a lot of dishes at Spacex to pay for this.
it was totally his fault yeah he definitely said "guys i got a great idea! put the hot gas thrusters on the ship!" yeah nah, he thought it was a dumb idea and Elon thought it was a good idea and since he has a room of yes men they just do whatever he says and now we're 3 flights in and all have had a catastrophic failure. they're testing their "the best part is no part" philosophy and so far they've only had to add parts that wouldve been suggested long ago.
Tim, look what you've done!🤷♂
Music is hillarious.... omg
tim is cooked😭🙏
Tim Cook
The thumbnail 😂. Not Tim's fault though, but funny video 😋
It is quite funny but I highly doubt the engineers would allow the decision to go through if it wouldn't work, like someone else said it's probably that the vents simply froze over preventing the gas from leaving.
It certainly can work. Like with anything new, it needs some real world testing, and that's what happened here.
Most likely that the idea of Ullage thrusters on ship was already on the books to be implemented and all Tim did was double down and reinforce their idea.
You don't know engineers very well.
Yeah as if Elon decides everything and doesn't listen to his engineers, I think the OP is actually playing the flute and thinks to be the genius of geniuses
Timmy Dudd - "...I'm literally going to the Moon....." and he actually believed it, lol. Timmy now have cry.
There might be a hundred different reasons for various failures with IFT3. Until SpaceX and the FAA have concluded their investigation we really can't be sure what the ultimate cause for failure was. Honestly we should wait before calling out people (yeah Tim gave the idea but it isn't a bad idea necessarily and some tweaks might fix this problem, which SpaceX engineers might just have overlooked. This is why the whole iterative design process works in the first place, by learning from their mistakes)
Huh, so it wasnt a leak. Not Tims fault for the actual SpaceX engineers who didnt think about ice buildup.
"Fire you? I just spent a million dollars training you!"
Definitely not Tim's fault, people need to stop bashing him.
LMAO i laughed so hard at this one haha!
Made my day!🤗
Oh man the music had me rolling on the floor. Priceless!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wait, wait, why don't they just use... warm gas thrusters?
You can contact me here to notify me of my Nobel prize.
April 1st is still a few weeks away 🚀🤣🤣
Space x has the absolute best engineers on earth. These people are the pinnacle of their craft, I highly doubt this is a problem for more than a single test. Again, this is why they test.
Tim is cooked here.
The choice of playing the theme music from "The Titanic" was hilarious. :)
Is that what that hideous noise in the background is? I stopped watching after two minutes of that.
Just so you know....They added more of them and The filters blocked up.....They then improved those filters and now it works just fine with some minor changes.
if the vessels are insulated according to the thermos principle, then there is not so much evaporation, because it partially turns back into a liquid state. during the shift, in the heat at TRZHK, I had to relieve the pressure once.
But they aren't. It's to much weight.
When the payload door opened the ship depressurized this caused the ship to lose control. This depressurized movement was why the door could not close.
I don't think the payload bay was pressurized.
Even if it did move the ship, thrusters should have been easily able to fix the rotation. They were too weak or did not work well.
@@Sonnell It was reported by Everyday Astronaut that the thrusters froze with ice.
@@ebenwaterman5858 The ship was pressurized otherwise it would have been crushed. As Ive heard many times from NSF that when the ship is not pressurized it's like an empty coke can.
It was pressurized in some way relative to space since it had smoke or some kind of gas swirling around in there that you could see rush out when they opened the payload door.
Responsible for 100 million 😂😂
This is golden
The music is hilarious so is Tim's monolog too. I totally forgive him because he really made me laugh.
Tim Dodd, The Everyday Astronaut, is not above self-reflection on the outcome of past ideas and decision when necessary.
It is possible that the hot gas thruster might have been a factor in the loss of ship 28 during the IFT-3 test.
If the Hot gas cooled and froze within one or more of the ACS exhaust vent, that may have caused the loss of attitude control.
It is the unlikely that anyone could has foreseen this issue during the Starship design and development. This is why testing under Real World condition, an not just in CGI conditions is important.
Better to FAIL a test than LOSE an important PAYLOAD or A CREW.
Coping and blame shifting.
Isn't the difference between hot gas thrusters and cold gas that the cold just pushes out gas whereas the hot gas mixes and burns gasses to create the thrust?
Well I wouldn't say the fact that they were using vented gas for attitude control was the main cause for the attitude control problems on IFT-3, the issue could have easily been something else. There are a lot of factors after all...
LOL! poor Tim! 😀
Where did you get that stabilized footage at the end from?
x.com/ophello/status/1768481359209849070?s=46&t=HlPfB-84MveM5j00DvHrVA
@@TeslaTubeThanks!
There's got to people at SX that knew better, but bit their tongue and said, "The boss wants vector control using cold gas ullage, fine. Fine "
Truth is hard sometimes 😂
I would report this video but there's no "Annoying Flute Playing In Background" report option.
If we can't report for flute, we can always report for terrorism 🗿
Fam out here tryna' "drown Hippasus"
Great edit of the stabilized Starhip reentry.
Facts bro, it's all his fault haha
Lol, this was my very first thought when the ship was rolling around during IFT-3 that it was Tim's fault. However SpaceX have identified the issue and still believe in the idea, just beefed it up a bit for IFT-4
I think cold gas thrusters are the way to go, no parts is spacex philosphy, i think making sure they dont freeze is gonna be an easy fix
Please tell me we're not gonna start seeing white streaks in the sky.
Great video but wft is thar music in the background with the flute out of tune? Like fingernails down a blackboard!
Theme from the movie Titanic … humorously performed by Matt Mulholland using the most gawdawful instrument ever made, the recorder.
Tim is riding on that, not sure if his mind has caught up with reality yet...
Worked on flight 4 though!
Who is the guy on Twitter who asked if they could just use all the engines on landing and shut the bad ones down?
hahaha good one, however hot gas is not the problem, in space temps on average during the day around 120 to 125 Degrees Celsius, you boil rate is doubled that of what you get at sea level, Im sure space x knew to double or triple the size of your plumbing pipes and vents, was required but went with it anyways, also I doubt it was hot venting that caused Starship demise, it was cruising well below 200km, its exposed to atmospheric drag once engines where turned off ship began to turn,
Thing is and always has been with Tim, he thinks deep down he’s competent enough to be an engineer (lol) and that he can give valid commentary about all the physical calculations and mechanical design of various rockets. He can’t. His graphs and other first-principle topics in videos are so dumbed down they mean nothing.
In reality, he used to be a wedding photographer and has an art degree. I pointed this out under one of his videos (where he was trying to critique starship design decisions like a chief PE) and I got absolutely lambasted for it. The last thing giving him any credibility was this and the moon mission, but I’m really happy to see where both have ended up lmao. Screw that guy and screw all his fan girl subs that think he’s rocketry god bc Tim tricks them into thinking you can competently introduce design decisions over chief engineers without an engineering degree. I’m all for fans of space travel, but the people getting inside access to Boca Chica as ‘influencers’ explaining these concepts should be actual engineers or else they paint a poor picture of the reality of engineering. Otherwise, in my opinion as an engineer (grad 2021), they do injustice to how hard it really is to get a degree in and work in engineering positions on things like this
Cry me a river.
@@lm1lm2lm3 Meh just an opinion. I think the ones crying a river are the ones who think he actually has something valid to say lol
How much money does EA owe SpaceX?
What a terrible idea. Drastically complicate tank venting and if it fails in any way you lost your ship. Normally when you need something to be really reliable you reduce the amount of single points of failure and over-build the ones left over. Not everything needs to be reinvented.
I wonder how it happened, that the booster used one system and the ship used another. Maybe there were two teams, and one of them thought of it and the other one didn't?
I can see from the comments everyone loves this music, it makes me want to judge my ears out. I get the jab, it is funny, but...ouch.
At least I now understand why grade school music teacher suicide rates are so high. 😐
They Call it Learning...
The dor have bad mecanism, Tim idea is good , but make implement need work. In this F3 we see wath not work well and wath work well, back to work. My noob opinion.
Tell the recorder instrumentalist to stop it
lol.
4:15 ... You should open the video with this........ that really spells it out.... and ffs come on did you do the backing track yourself
How the F is this going to work on long term trips? or when needing to land on the moon? or just orbiting?
Dumb idea.
Ooops... so that's why.
Is tim dodd the CEO of SpaceX now? Or are you incapable of accepting Elon makes mistakes?
😂 obviously it's Elon's mistake...
Tim must bear the responsibility for the destruction of Ship 28, no excuses!😎
I'll bet you can't figure out how to fold a paper plane genius
Jajaja
What the fuck Tim
not a failure
Why do you have the stupid flute
Loose the stupid recorder music please.
Do you even meme bro?