Part One: The Young, Evil God of Death: Reinhard Heydrich | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part One: The Young, Evil God of Death: Reinhard Heydrich | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined by Matt Lieb to discuss Reinhard Heydrich, the worst Nazi.
Original Air Date: July 6, 2021
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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"The worst thing about Nazis is their absolute commitment to style"
yknow, I really don't think that is the worst thing about Nazis
The irony is that Reinhard joining the Navy could have had a moderating effect on him, because the German Navy was staunchly conservative in a traditional sense, which made them heavily resistant to Nazism.
Real basic crash course on German/Austrian schools:
You start with Kindergarten, which is pretty much the same idea as the US version.
Then you have elementary school called "Grundschule" ("basic school") until 4th grade or so. Then you spend two years doing special tests and courses to determine what you should do for a living. When you finish that, you basically pick/get picked for one of the following three schools:
1. Hauptschule ("High School") - basically same idea as the US's high schools
2. Realschule ("Real school") - basically a vocational school
3. Gymnasium - basically a prep school for students who plan to go to university.
At the end of the Gymnasium you take a test and after passing it you get a special diploma called an Abitur (or "Matura" in Austria) and with that in hand, you can go to university. There are also professional/further education schools for Realschule and Hauptschule students. It's complicated... but this is basically the oversimplified version.
And while in the US we think of gymnasiums as places where you play sports... in ancient Greece they were also used for school/training as well as for athletics. This is where the German version originates.
Adding to this, "Gymnasium" is basically high school in most of Northern Europe - it's a word from Latin, I think? Something like that.
@@snorpenbass4196 The word is the Latin form of a Greek word. The old Greeks would go to these places to do sport mostly, being old Greeks, they would do that naked(gymnós), but when you get a bunch of Old Greeks with free time (because they were all the citizen upper class with nothing better to do) together you sooner or later get political and philosophical discussions. The Greek had a thing about being trained in body and mind.
Jesus....this was one of those men that I had never been taught about in History class. Then HBO released the made-for-TV movie "Conspiracy" and my HS teacher gave us credit for watching it. This man was a true monster.
Anyone that studies history honestly and has any basic humanity becomes a radical socialist.
Conspiracy is without a doubt the most frightening movie I've ever seen. This is REAL horror.
@@jenniferbrewer5370 You should view the German (then West German) television adaptation, "Die Wannseekonferenz," from 1984, which is far superior to the HBO adaptation. It is far less flashy, thusly far more frightening.
He was the only high-ranking Nazi assassinated by the Allies foe a reason
i take issue with calling kaiser wilhelm II the dumbest man in europe. tsar nicolas II was right there.
tsar nicolas II was just astoundingly stupid. it is pretty close between wili and nicky, ill give you that.
"uh russia isnt european" ah, shaddup. look at nicky, wili, and george v and tell me nicky wasnt a european monarch.
@@commandantcarpenter I think that Polish prince who went into battle on cavalry versus tanks qualifies as well.
@@snorpenbass4196 The charge at Krojanty during WW2? They didn't charge tanks... they charged infantry and were winning, but then some German armored cars showed up and shot them with machine guns, forcing the surviving Polish cavalry to flee. German propaganda proceeded to mock the Polish and claim they did a cavalry charge against tanks.
I would say Nicky was somewhat more in touch with reality than Willy, but not enough to save his skin.
My historian buddy likes to refer to Heydrich as “Hitler’s Darth Vader”, and the Naziest Nazi of them all (blonde, blue eyed, Heidelberg duelist, etc.)…
I think Heydrich may be more like Kylo Ren than Darth Vader.
@@MrGksarathy Nooo! Definitely Vader.
Or worse.
@@keysersoze5920 But he was the wannabe number 2, much like Kylo.
He was after Himmler's job.
That explains a few things about his death
watching this on a WED and having it end with lots of genocide planned for Thursday coupled with me having mandatory micro aggression training at work aligns very well
Ah yes, micro aggression training, the notorious first sign of genocide happening 🙄
Lol unless you mean the genocide of trans people that's currently trying to be done by conservatives
The 1984 German TV show/movie The Wannsee Conference is really good too. The script is derived from the minutes of the meeting and what is discussed.
up next on TLC: hanging with the heydrichs
its just 30 minutes of reinhard heydrich actually you know what technically i dont think i should say in a youtube comment but let's just say john c woods would probably be involved somehow.
Ben Shapiro is a violin player. Jus saying...
Best Fake German Accent Podcast, ever.
some additional info:
I'm assuming that the former con-man turned writer of popular "cowboy novels" is Karl May. His novels are still very popular in Germany, especially after WWII and were turned into adventure movies. His best known novels indeed feature a romanticized view on Native Americans during the expansion of the United States on the western frontier. They had a huge impact on the sympathy of ordinary Germans for Native American culture and history. Literary scholars in the 1980's noticed underlying homoeroticism in the description of characters and landscapes.
Other novels include travel adventures in Arabia and the Osman Empire, Mexico and Latin America.
Ian Kershaw in his two-volume Hitler biography reported about Hitler having once attended a public author's reading of Karl May from which Hitler came away disappointed because of May's pacifism.
The German "gymnasium" is a hybrid of high school and college similar to the french "lycée", children can enter it after 4 years of primary school. A succesful graduation at a gymnasium is mainly required for being allowed to study at a German university.
Schleswig-Holstein is the northernmost federal state in Germany with coastlines both at North Sea and Baltic Sea. Schleswig is the part with the recognized Danish minority living inside of Germany, the Südschleswiger.
It's also allegedly the origin for "Florin and Guilder" from the Princess Bride book (it's described as being between Germany and Sweden, which...is kinda true! And it also has some geographical features that fit the book and movie). I suspect William Goldman read a tourist guide at some point and went "Huh, that looks like a place where you could put an adventure story" and didn't want to bother doing more research.
@@snorpenbass4196 Between Germany and Sweden sounds more like Denmark, but it's the general Region. In the Middle Ages it was dominated by the trading cities, the Hanse. Those were governed by the merchants and guilds.
Didntknew he was,yeah i guess he was aproviating and part of that, but also sympathies?! Butgood toknow at least he was a pacifist.
In a way, Karl May's novels were as appropriating as Disney's Pocahontas today, with the tropes of noble savages and white saviours, but nearly a century before that. When colonialism was the norm of the day he put the indigenous population in a positive light.
"There are two living popes right now. I've seen that movie!'
Is the movie Popeback Mountain?
I'm at the 9:55 mark, and that middle name Eugen made me go: "Eugen, as in Eugenics? No, it's probably just coincidence."
Pronounced OY Ga En Gen (as in Ken or hen) in German. Eugene is the Greek name. Just saying but I do like your word association.
I think TLC just got it’s new show, “Nazi Wives.” I mean they could start with Orange County
Dearborn, Michigan would be more apropos in regard to that label.
Regarding the battle of Jutland there is an argument to be made that the Germans won tactically but the British won strategically. The Germans destroyed more British ships but retreated rather than face off against the combined grand fleet. Further the mutiny later in the war was also occurring when the British had launched many more ships and had a number of ships available to them that weren't at Jutland including American capital ships. I don't think many these days would blame the German sailors for not wanting to engage in a battle that at best strengthens the German negotiating position and at worst kills a very significant amount of them.
Fun personal experience with "Yes Man," I went to that movie as a date. We saw it at the Mann's Chinese Theatre. There's a scene in the movie where the leads are on a date. They went to a movie, at the Mann's Chinese Theatre. On top of that, they saw a Don Knott's movie and happened to feature a quote my mom used all of the time in the scene.
Maybe I should've bought the Lotto ticket that day..... 🤔
Robert is such a character in his own book. Which I mean obviously, but after reading After The Revolution I can't help but think about how well he would fit in in rolling fuck
Not saying Mike is a self-insert but...
Great episode. Also, more Sophie.
So, some things about the german navy part.
The reason they didn't sortie except for that one massive clash was that the Hochseeflotte _was all the germans had_ and the Royal Navy, even if it'd lost the Grand Fleet entirely, would have been able to pull in ships from various corners of the empire to make up the losses until replacements could be built.
The only reason the germans ever got within shouting distance of beating the british at sea was that britain had to patrol a globe-spanning empire and a single, massed fleet couldn't be everywhere it needed to be all at once.
Losing the Grand Fleet would have _hurt_ the brits, but it wouldn't have knocked them out of the naval war. Losing the Hochseeflotte would have been the end of ANY naval operations for Germany.
As for the battle of Jutland...Germany decisively lost that one. Yes, they did more damage than they took in return, but they failed to break the blockade that was killing them, which had been the whole point of having the battle, and they never again even got _close_ to a position where they could take another shot at breaking free.
Additional fun facts:
1.) One reason the germans did more damage at Jutland was that the royal navy had traditionally bought its ammunition on the open market...from _Krupp._ Since that source had understandably dried up, they had to set up their own shell production lines and the quality they got was kind of messy for the first few years of production. A lot of shells failed to detonate or detonated too early (i.e. on contact with the target's armor, not after penetrating it).
2.) Another was that the Royal Navy's internal politics had placed an admiral in charge who barely qualified as "mediocre" when it came to commanding a fleet at sea but who was _incredibly_ good at playing politics, getting rid of his opponents and placing his own guys in prestigious positions. In particular, his chief signals officer was an absolute moron who didn't know the first thing about his job and turned any attempts at complex maneuvering into a farce.
3.) And finally, a combination of lax safety measures and shortcuts being taken for maximum fire rate led to several british battlecruisers blowing up the moment they took a hit on a turret thanks to flash fires travelling all the way to the magazines.
Not to say the germans didn't fight well but they were extremely lucky to get as far as they did (and then escape during a series of confused night maneuvers where both sides were fumbling around blindly). They were _very_ badly outmatched from the start.
I won't claim to be an expert, but couldn't it be called a tactical victory and a strategic loss if they managed to do more damage while still failing at their longer term objectvies?
They left the enemy in control of the field. They withdrew in good order and having inflicted serious damage, but they withdrew.
Love from a Xanderhal and Vaush fan!
Barely started and just wanted to say, that's a supervillain ass sounding name. So probably perfectly fitting...
You ain't gettin' me, Robert! I'm straightedge because I like to remember how to walk when partying!
(Also a designated tripsitter, so there's that)
Evil incarnate = Heydrich.
I love to picture Kaiser Wilhelm saying "It's called a fucking Hail Mary, have you ever fucking heard of it?"
I assume Part 2 will discuss "Operation Reinhart" named after him.
Uff. This is gonna be a doozy.
Because his dad was a Freemason was not an indication of elitism, their membership has always been fairly egalitarian, the only real criteria is a belief in divinity and no moral faults or bad character. Clearly Heydrich wouldn't have gotten in
For a moment I thought Tim Heidecker was a guest on this episode.
Mustache Man was a fan of Opera, could be he got the "stabbed in the back" notion from there
I thought Ludendorf made that phrase popular?
Matt's German accent is very camp.
It always stuns me how little the guests and co-hosts seem to know. I wouldn't want them on my trivia team.
The guest actually watched CONSPIRACY, and completely forgot who the main historical character was.
Sigh kids these days , how can you possibly be anti Nazi and not know who Reinhardt Heydrich was ? Like pretty important
Because he's not taught about in school. "Kids these days" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, seems like starting with a simple fascists are bad, their ideology requires an out group to exploit and often murder to manipulate the bulk of followers. Getting preoccupied with an individual is like the origin story fixation Robert talked about. We'd be teaching kids about the dangers of the ideology, but that might disrupt the utility of fascism to capitalism.
Unless the person is a WWII buff, where Reinhard Heydrich is mentioned in many books (fiction and nonfiction), movies, etc.....they rarely teach about him in schools.
He has gained more notoriety in these last 10-20 years because of movies like Anthropoid and The Man With the Iron Heart. Also, many popular books like The Man With the Iron Heart (Turtledove), HHhH, Hitler's Hangman, etc.
The dude who led the watanasee conference, he was buddy with himmler whoraly liked him and he was involved in heinous revenge operations. (warcrimes cough cough)
he is alsoa villai butreally itsow character in the anime deus irae, i mean he is still the bad guy but one of the practically gods?! Weird. Butiguess makes sensse if he was deified by some people. Still.
I guess wartanasee conference is a good showcas how he is pretty bad.
Schleschwig-Holstein is literally the name of Germany's northernmost state.
Yeah, its pretty offensive to call the name of a state as terrible.
How would it be to mock massachusets. for being a name that just sucks,and , that would be terrible to mock an entire states name. I am not from there, ad i dontthinkit was knowingly, but who studying german would notknow shleswig hollstein is a state?!
Also i stand by, massachuets is a weirder if funny name, ut why so conplicated ::P