Being afraid IS NOT the same as being threatened. The number of people who use fear as a justification for murder and get away with it due to social paranoia should really be more of a concern than it is...
Right. Especially since many white people are afraid of black people, period, regardless of behavior. An objectively reasonable standard is best. If a person is standing on a door step and rings the bell, it is not objectively reasonable for the person inside to fear for their life. The subjective fear of the person inside (because they are paranoid and/or racist for example) should not allow for murder.
You’re absolutely right. Unfortunately, due to a number of systemic reasons, the lizard brain jn Americans will almost never listen to reason lol. Notice how in 2 decades we went from the “well regulated militia” to “anyone should be able to own a sawed off shotgun” and if you talked to a modern conservative, they seem to think this has been the norm since the countries founding. And these are the same people who want to go back to 1950s America lmfaoooo (to be fair, they want the social repression without any of the technological or modern advances being lost)
Because everything in America is an act of corruption, due to our capitalist system. Which is why we Americans are trained at a young age to reverse psychology ourselves in order to deal with and justify the crushing corruption.
Lobbying is one of those words that once had a very specific meaning and now has morphed into a more general term. You probably mean something different by it than the next person does. But I'll say that we certainly have the right to influence our government. We got some of the worst aspects of the post-Uvalde gun control stripped from the bill by calling our representatives and senators. Still, what remained is bad enough. We are seeing that now as the Biden admin is attempting to twist what IS in that law by creatively reinterpreting it much like the ATF is re-interpreting what is a gun never mind that the language itself in the law hasn't changed but rather what the ATF is SAYING it means has changed. Despite differences on the gun issue, I would think you would agree that suddenly deciding the same words mean something different now than at the time they were enacted is problematic to rule of law and basic fairness. Moreover, these laws are purposely vaguely written by Congressmembers who don't like gun rights specifically so the ATF can worm around like this. There was a court case in the USA checking the EPA's power because they were doing the same as the ATF in this regard. At the heart of it is a Constitutional principle because Congress is supposed to write the bills that become law not the bureaucrats in the executive branch. This is a rather involved discussion, but is really at the heart of much of these problems, and it is called Chevron deference if you want to look it up. Detailing it here would take a lot of space.
My former step-father (who is a complete a-hole) was recently in the news for pointing a gun at a woman who pulled into his driveway to turn around. His own Ring camera recorded it, which he freely gave to the police (that HE called, because he's a moron), and he was rightfully arrested.
Before this year I’ve never even thought of the possibility of being shot at for turning around in someone’s driveway. It’s absolutely insane to me that we are at this point. There’s literally nowhere safe in this country.
The situation with the people who went to the door, rang the bell, realized it was the wrong house and then left only for the homeowner to shoot at their car as they were going away is absurd. Even if he really thought he was in danger, they were leaving. What the hell are you hoping to accomplish? Same for the cheerleaders in the parking lot. Dude got out of his car and went over to them to shoot them.
As I understand it, they didn't even walk up to the house. They pulled into the driveway, realized their error and were in the process of leaving when the nutbag opened fire.
Technically once they left he wasn't no longer in danger. Not that he ever was. I realize most people on this channel have not met many of us left leaning folks who own firearms. Because we don't make it our personality like so many conservatives.
@@Chill-mm4pnThat's a double negative. Do you mean he was no longer in danger? Personally I think he should fuckong rot in jail. They were physically leaving and he killed an innocent person.
@@Chill-mm4pnThough I get your intention myself I think this comment could've used a little more clarity. If I understand your point right, you mean to say it's already a pretty open and shut case that he is *not* protected by the law the way Leeja made it sound, and you follow that up by referencing yourself as a left wing gun owner because you feel like most of the viewers are heavily biased liberals that don't understand valid uses of guns for self defense the way you do?
The use of “force “ in stand your ground law should be key. Someone ringing a doorbell , standing and waiting is not using force against anyone. So far from self defense.
I agree. Also I feel the, the cases mentioned at the beginning of the video are not evidence that the stand your ground laws or castle laws are not necessary. Do we really expect there to be no self defense cases where the shooting was clearly not justified? In a country of 330 Million people there are always going cases where things go wrong. Self defense does require people making correct choices. It's not a license to kill. Many self-defenses instructors will often warn people that even if they justifiably shoot someone in self-defense, they still might be sued, and will likely spend years in court no matter what, and their life will never really be the same.
I would say that the key should be the use of force or the threat of force. Someone threatening to bash your brain in with a bat while approaching you should be enough, you dont have to wait for the strike.
Castle Doctrine still requires a qualifying felony in order to justify use of force. It merely relieves a "duty to flee" if possible in public spaces, whereas one may put himself in danger within his own home, in turn causing a need for defensive force. Stand Your Ground laws have existed for a long time as interpreted state ConLaw in places like Kentucky. Their recent statutory enactment in many states is largely a reaction to malicious prosecutions after valid self defense incidents, that in theory doesn't change underlying criteria to use force at all. An unintended consequence has been with mutual encounters by gang bangers, where last man standing claims he was defending himself, even if the reality may be mutually aggressive combat. That's a consequence of corrupt politics and discriminatory drug laws causing a black market with huge financial benefits to lawyers, insurance, and prisons, among others, perpetrated as a fraud n society.
It is crazy complexe. If you think that a felony might be prevented by shooting to these people. That's why, in most country, you have to know how to write to make laws... But knowing how to write is suspect in USA...
@@pierregravel-primeau702an american has no call to action to prevent a felony. He also has no God or man given right to intrude on someone else's property, and open fire
@@CallMeBlazer Breaking into a home is very different from someone using their driveway to turn around, or knocking on a door having the wrong address by mistake.
Yes, but you only respect the parts that suit you. No one cares if Amazon and Walmart breach the first amendment rights of their employees by denying them the right to freedom of association by subverting, often with violence, the efforts of their workers to unionise. And now the Taliban the GOP wants to repeal the 19th amendment and de y women the right to vote or hold public office.
Well if that's the case is what you're saying is that freedom of speech and everything else you know like they're black people actually being people not like they were originally in the Constitution and how it change that can all change it's just software
Except that softwares evolve to be better. Modern progressism is backwards on all aspects, from leftist ideology to government supervision to the pedophile leaders in office
I see it as a hard rule the government isn't allowed to touch. While others like yourself see it as just suggestions that can be stripped away whenever convenient. Female body autonomy? Eh we don't like it anymore. Internment camps for citizens of a different race? Do process when we feel comfortable. Intellectual consistency is a better argument to me.
In 1988 I traveled through the US with a group of young Europeans and Australians. At one point we took an apparently wrong turn with our van (there was no navigation in the car yet) and we ended up on someone's property. A big pickup truck came at us and a guy jumped out with a shotgun. He threatened us directly. We had to turn around quickly. And even though we said that we had apparently misinterpreted the map, he remained aggressive towards us. That was the moment for me to think: Something is very wrong here in this country!
For a while I lived in an area where, in a certain season, you could pick up walnuts from the roadsides. So I was going along, picking walnuts, and the land owner at one place, told me he'd seriously been considering shooting me, for picking up roadside walnuts in front of, not on but in front of, his property.
i had a coworker once who casually mentioned that over the weekend he had sat in front of his window with his rifle in his lap, watching a guy cut across his yard while walking somewhere because he found that suspicious enough to have his firearm at the ready. way too many “responsible” gun owners just seem to be looking for any excuse at all to shoot someone and it’s chilling.
It's not the fact that your former coworker sat on the porch with a gun that really bothers me (it is still problematic), it's the fact that he thought at some point he had the right to shoot and kill a complete stranger solely based on his suspicion.
What you didn't ask is the crime rate in his neighborhood. How many homes have been broken into, items stolen, assaults committed? Those are facts, not your feelings on whether he was justified.
@@1guysopinion798 Truly the American way, always find an irrational fear to justify one violence because that way one can maintain the illusion/delusion that they’re still a “good Christian “ after the unjustified violence.
When i was a kid i can't begin to count the number of times an errant ball went into a neighbor's yard. When i went to retrieve the ball the neighbor might have been annoyed, but the worst thing that ever happened was getting "you kids get off my lawn" yelled at me. Nowadays people get shot for just going to get a ball. Something is seriously wrong with this country.
@@pauladufour7594 Lead. Look into the symptoms of cumulative atmospheric lead poisoning. the rage and utter stupidity americans are renowned for fits perfectly.
We have many guns in our home, never once have I felt the need to pull a gun on a person at the door. There was even times we had a rifle near the door.
@Oh_Ok0 it's not lamo. Do you live even here? You probably don't a make wild claims like this. This rarely happens, its highly frowed upon on, and it's illegal. But keep living in la la land and take your basic rights away and let the goverment tample you.
Does anyone remember the Japanese university student who was looking for a Halloween party. He knocked on the wrong door; a woman answered and then screamed. Her husband grabbed a gun and shot the student. Student died.
@@user-mn8lz7gf6dThose are the people who don't take firearm classes like the rest of us did. They probably bought it, barely take it out to stay proficient , never learned gun safety. They didn't learn that being a gun owner requires being levelheaded and your ego needs to be in check when dealing with others. I was taught to avoid unnecessary situations, to flee first and then call 911 because using a gun is the last option. One where you are unable to flee and imminent danger is present.
This "Stand Yoru Ground" madness has even extended out of the home in some circumstances. There was recently a man acquitted in Florida who shot and killed another man in a movie theater. The man who was killed had been in the theater watching a movie. When the film ended he left the theater but inadvertently left his cell phone in the seat. On his way home he realized that he left his phone there and returned to retrieve it. By this time another film was playing in the same theater and another man was sitting in the seat formally occupied by the first man. The first man asked the current occupant of the seat if he could look for the cell phone he left behind and the man refused. They got into a verbal argument and the man from the earlier film threw some popcorn on the man now occupying the seat. The man in the seat pulled out a pistol that he had in his jacket and shot the first man dead right there in the movie theater with a packed house of other patrons. He was brought to trial but found not guilty due to "stand your ground". I'm not sure about others but I know that I don't want to live in a country where a. people bring firearms into theaters b. are allowed to fire said firearms in theaters without any regard for the safety of the other patrons and c. ending another human's life because of a minor tiff, where no bodily harm occurred, or was even threatened, can be justified.
This. Scares the %^&* out of me when I hear some referring to guns as an "equalizer". I'm 6'5 and 210lbs and wherever I go have never felt a need to own or carry a gun. But some twitchy %^&* could end my life in an interaction with me because they "feel" threatened. Who's the snowflake now?
@@jeepwran You don't have to worry if you aren't the type to be attacking people. Your far more likely, if you are ever murdered, to be the victim of a violent person that some soft on crime law (ie soft on crime politicians) or some soft on crime judge refused to send to prison
And what's worse is that I'm sure some people would dare to blame the victim with lame excuses such as "he should have kept his phone in his pockets", as if shooting someone would be the normal and acceptable reaction.
Now imagine being a 6’ 2”, well built black man…an unacknowldged fear comes with many folks that happen to occupy the space that you dare tread. That ‘equalizer’, even if you’re just walking is in many scared American’s hands waiting for you.
This sounds suspiciously like the Michael Drejka incident a few years back where he decided to tell people where to park. The boyfriend of the woman in the car came out, gave Drejka a small shove, Drejka fell on his posterior, pulled his gun, fired it and hit the boyfriend in the chest. The boyfriend rertreated back into the store where he collapsed and ultimately died.
I only ever hear about the "stand your ground" laws when it comes to gun violence towards innocent people--but I am curious how it may be applied when it comes to people fighting their abusers (common example: a woman killing her abusive husband, or an assailant). Given how survivors are treated, and many women and AFAB people who use self defense are imprisoned for fighting their abusers...I doubt it would go well. Just some food for thought though.
It’s almost always white men using the self defense argument and usually against people of color, whereas the abuse victims are typically women, who don’t matter as much as men. Your success seems to depend on where you fall in the status quo in relation to your “victim.”
not only do women get imprisoned for defending themselves more often, but they also get imprisoned longer. men are sentenced to two to six years in prison on average for murdering a female partner (regardless of if it's self defense), but when women kill their male partners (often in self-defense) they get an average of 15 years, according to the ACLU. absolutely boggles my mind how this can happen and yet we watch murderers walk free because someone was loitering somewhere and it "scared them."
for some reason they never talk about gun usage that goes right. happens every day, has saved countless people, and is not talked about at all. news only sells when someone dies ig
As the owner and estimator of a residential painting business in TX, I'm absolutely terrified at the thought of arriving at the wrong house for an estimate. Being Mexican doesn't help much either.
Because of these few incidents? These are very rare. You have a far greater chance of dying in an auto accident on the way to your customer's house than (A) getting the wrong address and (B) having the person there shooting you.
@@Anon54387 i don't know if you've ever worked in the service industry, but his concerns are justified. It isn't as rare as you are saying. The shooting deaths for going to the wrong house might be, but first, do you really want to take the chance that you will be the next? And second, there are a lot of other things that happen to us, like people spitting on us, calling the cops on us, threatening and getting physical with us, letting their dogs out on us on purpose. I've had people show their guns as evidence that they were armed, and they didn't have to say a word, I knew that meant "turn around and leave." I don't know what your background is, but maybe you don't have to worry about it. I'm in hundreds of homes and businesses every month and have had to deal with a lot of crazy people. People like the three examples in the video are not sane people. You can't take the chance that you won't be next, especially if you have family or a business depending on you.
Move to California, much better than Texas in every way. And at the rate people are leaving it's getting more affordable by the day!!!! SO MUCH PROGRESS!!!
@@darkgardener9577 I moved here from Irvine California where I lived for about 5 years. Before that I lived in Vancouver, Canada. I'm a social democrat, and have spent a lot time in Scandinavian countries where I love to visit as often as possible. Texas is a complete joke. The only reason I live here is because it's sooooo much cheaper and was able to buy a house cash that much bigger and better than anything I could afford back in California or Canada. However, my wife and I are debating whether to sell the house and move back to Canada or go to Europe, even if we have to live in an apartment, but at least we wouldn't have to deal with the right wing insanity.
My father-in-law is growing old and one day he had an episode in which he seemed to be living a dream, as if he was asleep while walking around, he didn't recognize his own wife nor his home, he said it felt like it wasn't his home but it only looked like it. After this episode my mother-in-law filed a request to have his guns removed and given to one of his sons, it was ratified by the courts too. Everyone agrees that he shouldn't have a gun, he could stop recognizing anyone and "feel threatened" and start shooting at his own wife, needless to say he also lost his driver's license because he can't see nor hear well enough to drive either. Regulations are absolutely necessary to keep us safe, but since our own governor is a Christian nationalist himself, I doubt he will ever do anything to protect us from gun violence.
There's already a process to handle situations like this: it's called court adjudication. Also, most forms of proposed firearms regulations would be unenforceable without a comprehensive national firearms registration system. Which has been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in the past and has historically always led to mass confiscations which then led to eventual atrocities being committed against the population.
@@nil981 why do we need registration and insurance for our cars, but not for deadly weapons that were designed specifically for killing other human beings? It sounds to me like we need a constitutional amendment to allow a comprehensive gun registry.
Right. If they will maim a person they (theoretically) love more than most anybody in the world, what does that say for them handling situations with people they may not even know?
@@zshadowsIt runs much deeper than that. The bigger concern is that people who commit domestic violence tend to be petty, egotistical, and respond extremely poorly to perceived slights, 3 traits also extremely common among murderers
When I studied martial arts, my teacher told me about the Philosophy of Force. "When someone confronts you threateningly, your only goal should be to escape the situation using the least amount of force possible. First you Talk. Then you Walk. Then you Run. If none of those resolve the situation, only THEN do you Fight. The duty of those who possess the power to harm others is to avoid using that power at all costs." Anyone who uses force as a first resort is someone not fit to live in society.
Fun fact. The guy in charge of the fort at the FAR END of the Oregon Trail, been there for years, was so diplomatic he was able to keep peace with the 7 nationalities in the fort, the Spanish, the Russians, the several native tribes in the area, and the Americans! The fort never fired a shot in anger during his tenure. Look him up. Dr. John McLaughlin, Father of Oregon. Not exactly a gun slinging cowboy.
....and thats what these pudding brained gun fetishist seem to be unable to process. This fuck brained ahistorical idea of everyone in the 19th and 18th century carrying everywhere they went wasn't actually a thing. Outposts, forts, and new settlements, etc al would confiscate any firearms you had on you before entering, never-ending that whole thing where they purposely misread what the 2nd amendment actually says
Literal goosebumps hearing those opening stories. That's crazy. I can't for the life of me imagine how you could get gunned down for being at a wrong address...
@@The.QuasiOG Why not mention all the black on white crime, where the victims were little kids out riding their bikes or went to pick up a ball which went into the wrong yard?
Australian here: the gin reforms of the 1990s were passed by the Howard Government, a very conservative, neo-liberal administration. To this day, their actions in response to the Port Arthur Massacre remain one of the few issues that almost all Australians agree upon. It was a good decision and we are a safer country for it.
@@CuchulainADPS don’t worry too much. There’s still plenty of guns in Australia. We just don’t fetishise them like you do. We recognise their use as dangerous tools rather than as penile extensions/ substitutions.
@@philbydee And I bet everyone in Australia who owns a gun is a better shot than most of the bozos over here in the States flailing their arms and screaming about the government coming to take their guns away. It's amazing how smart they think they are when they cannot even comprehend the context in which the US Constitution was originally written plays a significant role in how it should be interpreted. Not to mention a million other things I could bring up... More and more, the thought of getting a passport & visa seems less daunting by the day...
I genuinely cant wrap my head around how a black kid in a hoodie walking down the street can scare someone so much that said person can legally shoot the kid but a woman (in many of those very same states) can be told by her doctor that her pregnancy is not viable and will most likely kill her, is not allowed to "stand her ground" and terminate the pregnancy. Am I the only one who sees this as just absolute bat shit crazy?
Agency and control over your own body should be sacrosanct. The right to not be shot because someone else judges that you 'might' commit a crime at some point should be equally sacrosanct.
What if the gun industry purposefully sells to those who are unwell to further encourage people to buy more guns whenever a unwell person decides to shoot someone? It just sounds like a very possible thing they could be doing ngl
The Fake self righteousness bought by voting against the persons right over themselves, is thought a ticket to heaven. Love your neighbor as yourself and we all wouldn't be in this situation.
Sadly, we are under the authority of shamelessly power hungry people who will do whatever they can to quench their never ending greed not including constantly fanning the fear and anger of their own base to keep them voting for them election after election.
I visited america for the first time recently. My first night, I was walking and witnessed someone break into a car. All I could think about was myself. What if they're armed and hurt me if I try to get a look at their face to report it? So I just stared forward and kept walking. It felt horrible to be a bystander like that, and I dont think I would have if I wasn't afraid of the threat of firearms. America has so many problems and I dont think they truly realise how bad it is.
The biggest problem is that many of us in the states *are* aware of the many issues surrounding us, but feel so powerless to do anything about it. Especially with how violent a response we've been met with whenever we take to the streets to protest. Exercising our right to protest is absolutely vital and it *should* be safe, but instead we're met with tear gas, riot shields, and unrelenting police brutality.
@@kazeboiii the unfortunate truth. We think we're fighting each other but in reality polling shows wide agreement, but without the money we can't compete.
Swiss Citizen here. We have in Switzerland percentage wise almost the same amount of weapons in private hands as Americans. But we have very few gun crimes in general. No school shootings or anything. You know why? Because we treat each other with respect and compassion.
I also bet that you, in Switzerland, don't coddle violent criminals. We certainly do in the USA, especially in states like mine. It is a rare homicide in California that doesn't end with the reporter saying and the suspect has a long history of violent crime. But the answer of the state government is never to keep those who've proved themselves capable of wanton violence behind bars for the safety of the rest of us, rather they always pass more gun control laws. If they were really, as they claim they are, interested in public safety they'd not let tens of thousands of violent people run loose on the streets.
In 1774 250 years ago England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!! Attempted gun confiscation by 8-900 English soldiers in Mass. on April 19-1775 started that 8-year war for American independence (1775-1783) & England almost won that war!! England came back in 1812-1815!!
Yeah it's probably also a mindset thing. Isn't Switzlerand one of those countries rated with highest happiness or something? A lot of shooters have some form of mental issue whether that be trauma or mental illness or whatever but if that happen less, the same result happens: less gun crime if there's no motive.
My friend was shot at while driving down the wrong drive way by mistake. No one was hurt thank goodness! It went to trial, but the judge declared a mistrial. She and her family did not want to pursue the case again as it was very draining on them emotionally. So he got away with it.
@@Furnominal Who cares. Anyone, regardless of race, who acts violently towards another person except in self defense, should be arrested. I believe guns are necessary, but abuse should be penalized to fit the seriousness of the crime.
@@scottwalker6897 Just goes along with this video.. That’s all. Adding some comments to help out Leeja. If you got a problem with it, move on. Buh-bye!
I just cannot understand the thought process behind shooting someone, who just knocked on your door, without warning, without hearing who they are or anything. How in gods name is that perceived as a "threat"? Reminds me of the guy that threatened a little girl who was selling cookies and the guy started telling her that next time she rang the doorbell, he'd shoot her. Absolutely insane.
I was thinking along the same lines. Some of the Founding Fathers appear to have been Deists, espousing an interesting combination of Rationalism and Gnosticism. Bible thumpers they were not!
Yup. They didn't put that 1st Amendment in there for kicks. Jefferson (perhaps the most revered of the Founding Fathers) was particularly adamant as to the importance of a WALL between Church and State. But right-wing special interest groups cherry-pick their Constitution the same way the cherry-pick their Bible, and they've spent an inordinate amount of money on buying politicians and judges to ensure that their perceived rights are _de facto_ enshrined in law (even though they are a small minority). There is no way the Americans who penned that document could ever have conceived of the state the nation finds itself today, and they would be profoundly horrified at how far things have strayed, and how their words have been interpreted in what is, in many ways, a completely different world to the one in which they lived.
Not true.... Most of the framers of the Constitution were Protestants and a few were Diests. Not a single framer of the Constitution was a secularists. They believed in either God, or the possibility of a god! The idea of the separation of Church and State is that the Government may not establish a state religion (state religions include the Church of England in England, Islam in Muslim countries, and Judaism in Israel). The separation of church and state does not mean that you can't have religious observances (prayer breakfasts, holidays, etc.).
@@jasonpenn5476 Exactly. There is no separation of church and state but there is no respecting an establishment or denomination of religion and that is not the same as a separation with no faith or God as we see faith and God not only on our monuments but also on our money and in the documents of the founders themselves.
@@jasonpenn5476 No, it's true. Secularist doesn't mean atheist. It means one who advocates separation of the state from religious institutions. So there are secular Muslims and Jews and many, MANY secular Christians, who believe in a god and worship that god, while working to ensure that government does not interfere with or influence religious practise and that religion isn't used to influence or interfere with government policy. The initial founding of America's colonies was done by people fleeing a nation where the government was intensely involved in religion, and so they understood the value of keeping the institutions apart.
My mother is so terrified of getting followed in her car and shot because of road rage (a rare but still existant occurrence) that she’ll drive around the neighborhood for almost 30 minutes sometimes if it looks like someone’s following her. Absolute madness in this country.
@@DirtyRobohobo Unfortunately in the area she lives, it’s not an incredible stretch to think that someone following her after she cut them off (accidentally ofc) or drove to slowly in front of could be ready to shoot someone :/ obviously she doesn’t drive 30 minutes every time but she’ll go till at least she knows they’re not following her
What a surprise, the damage being done in this decade starting 50 years ago, the 70s seem to be the starting point for a lot of the worlds problems today
Yep, and perhaps not 'coincidentally' it was also the start of the push for women's rights and minority rights, driving many folks of the 'white male' persuasion to _overcompensate_ (aka, the popular myth of acts of heroism by the 'good guy with a gun'). And 'fer sure it's also tied up w/ 'evangelicals', as we see on all the TH-cam channels not just about gun info., but also advocating for "God, Family, and Guns"!
I was going to say Reagan too. Between trickle down (ie Fuck those who need help), unions busting (give even more power to the employers), ignore "the gay disease" (until your friend dies, Rock Hudson) and let it spread for 4+ yrs unchecked. I truly think Reagan was the most evil president we've had in my lifetime. Never mind Iran-contra, welfare queens (that didn't exist), etc. Trump was bad, but he's an incompetent grifter, but Reagan and the 80's were the beginning of this crappy spiral that we've been in. The screw everyone, stomp them down if it helps you get ahead, etc, etc. Thanks Reagan, oh and don't forget mass incarceration and the war on drugs... I don't believe in hell , but if I did I hope he and Nancy have adjacent cells so they can still talk to each other...
The start of the problems was when the Dr. Spock generation of Moronic Psychologists that decided that spanking kids was bad, putting them in the corner and talking nice to them ,that was good didn't hurt their little feelings and didn't teach anything to them either .about paying for the consciences of their actions when you screw up, Then some dumb shit decided no child left behind would be a good thing, so That generation of morons not only didn't discipline children or make them get an education either , so now we have Proud boys and three percenters and bull crap like that
@@mattdonlan7745it started with Nixon actually. He was super incompetent though so Reagan had to come in later to see his vision of destroying the country through.
Since I moved out to a more rural area, the service people that come to my house are extremely cautious. The water guy knocked on my door to warn me he was going to work on my tank, and in his words said "so please don't shoot me!" He was trying to make light of it but god, what kind of insane world are we living in?
I lived in a rural area and the electric meter reader used to use a spotting scope to read people's meters rather than approach very closely. A spotting scope is a telescope of a type favored by target shooters, that can give you a very clear, magnified view from maybe 30-100 meters away.
If that's true, it's recent. I lived in outstate MN and outstate AZ most of my life, and never worried about being shot by my neighbors. The Border Patrol, maybe. Some of them are trigger happy idiots. But not my neighbors.
The story about the car one really hit me. It made me think of this time that i was in high school. I was with my then boyfriend at a convenience store while his dad waited for us in the car. We came back outside and were laughing and talking when we accidently got in the wrong car with this mom and daughter. Of course, they freaked out. We apologize repeatedly and got the fuck out of there as quickly as possible. While i understand completely why that would scare the shit out of someone, no one deserves to be killed over something like that Edit: typo
A lot of people in the US have this notion that any slight deserves death. Just in the last few days the story of a homeless man being choked to death because of a verbal argument has gotten the defense of a lot of people as being justified. We really are a sick nation
that car incident also happened to me. the car is exactly the same as mine. same brand and color. but when i sat down and looked inside the car, there i noticed i entered someone's car.
I've had strangers unintentionally get in my car and enter my house. None of these episodes "scared the shit" out of me. People make mistakes, accidents happen. Chill the fuck out. What is wrong with a nation that is so constantly on fear alert? Maybe its because they remember that they are a people who got where they are by stealing the nation from its original inhabitants, by kidnapping people to build the nation through slavery, that never misses a chance to intimidate and infiltrate other countries, that marginalized every immigrant who ever came to it. Only such amoral people could have perpetual fear that everyone else is even more amoral.
I would like to point out that the United States already does have a sort of pseudo licensing system which has more strict requirements in every state to own and carry a gun than to drive. In order to buy a new firearm, a person is required to take a background check and anyone with any significant criminal history or history of mental health issues, even people with a legal marijuana prescription, are prohibited from purchasing firearms, forever. And in most states in order to concealed carry a firearm, a person does have to get a license with restrictions on that license that vary by state.
I used to do DoorDash just before the Covid pandemic and would have to go to people's doors pretty constantly. There were more than a few times something happened that made me weary about my own safety doing a simple food delivery that would only take 30 seconds. 4 years later I hear these stories and can't fathom how they are real. I'm also glad I don't do DoorDash anymore. The thing that bothers me so much when it comes to "I was in fear of my life" and killing someone in self defense is this: a teenage girl/cheerleader opened your car door by accident, then (likely apologized) and backed away. You follow them and kill them and claim it's a self defense because of stand your ground and fear for your life. I just don't get that.
To many Americans identify their self with their stuff. And there is nothing more materialistic than an American Christian. They long sense gave up on anything deeper than the superficial and they fear any slight. Pathetic.
@@HectorGonzalez-fz6ws If the state in question has a "stand your ground" law, there is usually not a duty to retreat. If the jury can be convinced that the assailant at any point "felt threatened", then they can chase and pursue if they like.
As a Canadian, the frightening aspect of all this is that the American attitude toward guns has crept across the border and infected the conservatives in this country. Never was this point more driven home to me than when watching a protest on Parliament Hill many years ago when a group of gun owners were demonstrating against a new piece of gun control legislation. One of the protestors actually maintained that it was his constitutional right to bear arms. Of course, it was not; there is nothing in the Canadian constitution that accords specific rights to citizen to own, carry, and use firearms of any sort. But this was an example of how the NRA--a vociferous opponent of Canadian gun control legislation--was pulling the strings of pro-gun organizations and lobby groups in Canada. We now have the Conservative Party of Canada sounding more and more like the Republican Party in the US when it comes to guns and a citizen's rights to bear arms. In the past couple of decades the Conservatives have swung further and further to the right on this issue (and many others, unfortunately), to the extent that they have opposed any meaningful gun control legislation (and when in power actually weakened some of the laws already in place). The fact that Canadians are exposed to so much American culture does not help matters. Guns permeate every aspect of American culture, be it film, TV, music, books, etc., and because Canadians are so exposed to that culture, it's little surprise that some of the same mindset is beginning to take root here. In the United States there has and continues to be a glorification of the gun, and it has long been portrayed as the quintessential solution to almost any and all problems that might beset an individual, an institution, or a state. This idolatry of firearms has led to an almost semi-religious reverence of them, and at the same time has nurtured a decidedly cavalier treatment for devices whose inherent purpose is to maim and kill. Because of this, and because of how deeply entrenched in the American cultural zeitgeist the gun is, it seems unlikely that the issue of firearms-- and the far too many tragic outcomes that result from their--use will ever be resolved. Americans may believe in God, but they believe in guns even more.
@Bart Doo just what has your sentence got to do with the piece your are trying to supposedly comment on as no matter what country, ANY Leader/Prime Minister/ President comes from they WILL have a security team as they ARE the Leader of THAT country at the time.
@@micheledix2616 Show me the stats on politicians getting shot and where they are higher than the general public. Why shouldn't people be able to protect themselves?
I seen a show where they interview addicts and drug dealers. A drug dealer said that having someone overdose is free advertising for them. It is sad to see that the same is for the gun industry too.
I live in the area that the girls were shot in. It was a terrifying event for our county, and even though I live about 30 minutes away I never do u-turns in parking lots or nearby houses anymore
Then there's the weatherman from today's news who was openly tweeting about having his gun loaded and ready cause a child knocked on his door. It's shit like this that rules out me ever visiting the US. It's absolutely terrifying.
Have you seen the so called children now. Teenage girl deciding to repeatedly stab a girl in school, a elementary student shooting his teacher in the classroom, kids asking on social media for help in disposing the dead girl he killed in his house. A group of teens who beat a old man to death and seemed to be enjoying it as they filmed it. We treating the criminals as victims and the victims as criminals. Recently a security guard shot and killed a shoplifting person who rushed at him with a knife. The DA the one who should be about the law. Because of the video showing it was in self defense apologized for not being able to convict the security guard
@@lostboy8084 crap like that has been happening forever. The difference is places like Faux News(entertainment) riling up their predominantly old white base so they are deathly afraid of anyone without crows feet, but the false equivalence starts at the sheer number of CHILDREN being shot on a daily basis compared to these few splattered stories you hear on repeat from people like you. If you have any questions GOOGLE some shit.
Living in the US, I'm absolutely terrified at the idea of people walking around with knives and acid. Oh, and actually getting charged as a criminal if you defend yourself from someone breaking into your house doesn't sound too fun either.
@@lisettes.9598 People in the US get shot in their sleep, get shot while legally carrying, get shot playing with a nerf gun in an open carry state, get shot for having expired tags, get shot by children who find guns, and more. Your false equivalency fallacy ignores the magnitude of the gun problem, try again. (Hint - I'm pro gun and pro smart gun ownership)
@@TH-camSupportSucks heart disease and cancer are the leading causes of death in the US. By over 5 hundred thousand plus more people a year than guns. Guns don't even make the top ten. Most of those in the top ten are preventable illnesses or unintentional accidents. Yet people aren't getting hysterical about stopping the root causes of those deaths. Yet the government is way more concerned about taking away our protections than actually keeping us healthy.
@@TH-camSupportSucks 1000%. Smart, reasonable gun regulation does not mean no one can own guns. It just means that, when a person goes through the process of obtaining a gun, they're trained on the proper use of it, register it, and are licensed to use it. It's not rocket science and this nonsensical fearmongering is just that.
I visited the US last winter, and I drove to a friend's house in semi-rural NH. I mixed up the (very similar looking) driveways, realized my error when the automatic lighting came on, and reversed out. I picked up my buddy, told him what had happened and joked that I didn't fancy getting shot for mixing up the house numbers. Doesn't seem that funny anymore
That shit doesn't happen anywhere in the United States. I have lived her for 46 years and the only place I have seen a gun is on a cop or in a gun range. The level of nonsensical fear portrayed buy the brain washing in Europe is fanatical. Women sure get raped there a lot and why not. It's not like women are able to get to tools to defend themselves.
What proportion of Americans do you think are paranoid schizophrenics? Texas is the ONLY state in the Union where trespassing on private property is a Felony, and people are sometimes shot for stepping upon private, or rented property.
I live in the country and have had people drive up my driveway from time to time. I've been more than happy to discuss where and what they were looking for to get them safely to their intended destination. Holding up an anecdotal case of a tragic encounter with some deranged homeowner doesn't represent all homeowners or give any credence to civilian disarmament.
These sorts of topics are so fascinating but ima step out, as a Welsh person I just can never get over any example story about guns in the us. The casualness of the public to draw arms is crazy. Like lethal violence is so normalised beyond similar nations. I don't think I know a single person who would be able to just shoot at a person, especially without the other party drawing a weapon.
I feel like so much of it stems from our history and our media and its portrayal of guns. Manifest Destiny during the 1800’s basically gave people the right to go west to claim whatever land they could hold, and that meant stealing and defending it from the prior residents with firearms. Generations of Hollywood westerns featuring the noble white American cowboy defending his land from the “savages” and copaganda doesn’t help, but merely reinforces the idea that the gun was a necessary tool for building and defending the American empire. That ideology goes all the way down to the individual American that just wants to feel a touch of the power and agency that the system has robbed from them.
People from the US routinely defending the use of lethal force - using such grounds as ‘but they were a criminal’ or ‘they didn’t follow instructions’ or ‘they were later found to be armed’ or any number of things that seem to me a feeble justification for somebody needing to die.
@@kazeboiii Didn’t you hear? If you don’t immediately follow police instructions, or if you broke the law once, or if you happen to know someone who did those things… you are no longer really human, apparently 🙄
It’s because of gun violence that my husband and I have seriously considered leaving the country. We have two kids, and we don’t believe we can count on their safety anymore. It breaks my heart that we can’t feel safe in our own country.
Where exactly would you go? You are unlikely to get into Australia, here in Europe its much worse unless you are rich enough to own a castle and send your kids to Eton etc. So you're moving to Canada?
@@jp783 You understand the term "I'm going to wet you up?" Getting mugged at knifepoint in my country is as common as learning to ride a bike, it's just part of life for kids
The topic even baffles me, an American. I grew up with people who owned guns for hunting, but it wasn't an obsession with them. My grandfather owned hunting rifles, but he almost never talked about guns, never took the guns out and played with them, never talked about shooting people, etc. In fact, I think I saw the guns a grand total of two times and both times were when he was on his way to go on a hunting trip (deer, which he shot and then butchered himself for the meat). Otherwise, they were kept in a locked cabinet and they never came up. He just did not view them as anything other than a tool with which to kill animals for food, which I understand has its own ethical quandaries for some people, but it's definitely healthier than the people in our country who seem to revolve their entire lives around guns. Who seem to fantasize about getting to kill someone in "self-defense". It's horrifying.
Really, the only people I see orbiting this issue are anxious, meddling, busybody types. On a practical note, no _legit_ (emphasis on legit) gun owner wants to kill anyone.
It does seem like these gun nuts are just itching to be the next action hero. Too bad they can't separate fantasy from reality. I honestly hope that the sane gun owners like your grandpa will raise their voices and fight this issue.
@@Timboykee Exactly. This woman cherry picked the stories but she never mentioned the man at the shopping mall who was armed legally and was able to shoot an armed gunman who was engaged in creating his own mass murder story. Mr Dicken drew his pistol and put two bullets in the murderer at 40 yards distance saving the lives of countless shoppers that day. Now what would be the narrative if at each of these Mass Shootings a citizen was armed and able to end things at the beginning? This is why liberals want to prevent concealed Carry and maker more gun free zones. Gun Free Zones create areas where the only person armed will be the assailant creating a killing zone. The "Law abiding" will leave their guns outside or simply will refuse to shop there. The press will never interview the Concealed permit holder who would say that they could have stopped the mayhem but they chose to follow the law and people died because of it.
@@Timboykee I mean, that's so clearly not true. Clearly there ARE "legit" gun owners who do want to kill people. They literally talk about it all the time. They open carry in places like Target just to intimidate people. Multiple legal gun owners have shot people who just knocked on their door or pulled into their driveway. Obviously, it's a cultural problem.
I'm Australian, recently I had a parcel incorrectly delivered to my address, when I walked up the driveway of the correct address to deliver the parcel being shot was the furthest thing from my mind.
over 350million people in USA. As one of them, I also don't fear being shot. Tbh, I assume Im more likely to win the lottery, than I am likely to be shot, by walking up a driveway. Anti-USA propaganda seems to be working on you. The vast majority of us dont live in fear of murder. We live in fear of heart attacks and car accidents. Cell phone drivers scare me more than guns do. Sadly, I can't defend myself against the cars.
Guns were once banned in 1774 colonial America by England 250 years ago!! Then attempted gun confiscation on April 19 1775 by 8-900 English soldiers in Mass. started that 8-year war for American independence (1775-1783) & England almost won that war!!
I find it useful to replace words such as rights, freedom, and liberty with the word power. It's always about power. ETA: giving here in Canada it has always struck me how deeply religion has soaked into the American psyche. To the point that America itself has become a deity. It's disturbing, to say the least.
Well my friend how about you move to a country where it's 'leaders' on both sides of the aisle have murdered 4.5 MILLION people in the Middle East in the last few decades to profit the military industrial complex. Where the 'leaders' admittingly spy on the entire population. Where 25% of the worlds prison population exists, mostly for nonviolent crimes. Where the ATF has murdered women and children. Where it's tax collectors are being trained to use deadly force. Where soon half the country will be on psyche meds. Where government policies have turned our cities into Hunger Games style ghettos. How about you move to that country and then tell me that the population should not have a very serious ability to protect itself from the psychopaths in DC and the growing number of crazy pharma (or drug addicted) zombies. We are supposed to now trust that these psychopathic mass murderers have our best interest in mind and are just wonderful people, who care for us and love us? Give up your guns America, it will be fine. Trust me it will all be much safer. Ignore the millions of kids we killed for profit. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/23/washington-dc-the-psychopath-capital-of-america-218892/
Definitely not if she wants to have a child. These anti medical people have been holding medical back. There was a ruling a few weeks back in a Texas court that the provision in the ACA that requires all insurance to cover preventive care is somehow unconstitutional because jobs that offer medical were being forced to pay for birth control. They have been working on this for years. They couldn’t just make it so birth control wasn’t covered because of what someone’s boss “doesn’t believe in birth control “ they had to get rid of any preventative care. Insurance companies are evil as these religious nuts. They teamed up do do unimaginably evil 💩 Next will be the provision requiring preexisting conditions are covered. They have not liked being told they have to actually cover sick people as medical insurance.
In America, you are supposed to receive due process in the Courts and proportionate punishments. But citizens can summarily execute a person on suspicion of a property crime. Crazy!
I don't mean to be asshole bro, I'm sorry you had ti be a victim of some shit like that, but taking guns from good people will not change the nature of criminals.. it's that plain and simple, and I'd prefer to protect my family in the most efficient way possible ya know
@@achaean7615 no worries; I'm with you. I'm essentially saying that fictional world I mentioned doesn't exist. And 'criminal' extends to government officials using the military and police.
@@achaean7615 crime stories are overblown in America to keep white people scared of non white people. And your fantasy always has a fantasy rape element where you watch your women violated. It is a fantasy world that doesn’t exist in Canada Europe Japan Australia New Zealand or the rest of the first world nations.
It's exactly what I expected. For us non-Americans it seems an insane idea that every member of the public is allowed to carry a gun. I live in Australia but am from Switzerland, which is often mentioned by pro-gun pundits as an example of a place where people are allowed to carry guns... yes they are, but only on their way from home to national service and back, so twice a year.
Where do you get the idea anyone can get a gun you can't get one if you can't pass a background check I will never forget the reporter showing us how easy it was to get a gun he failed the background check
Even so it's relatively easy for civilians to obtain the same types of firearms available in the US if they live in places like Italy, the Czech Republic, or Finland. However concealed carry isn't common outside the US. I believe the Czech Republic allows concealed carry as well as Andorra but I could be incorrect on that. Concealed carry in the US is double edged sword as Leeja pointed out in the video using examples where people abused those laws and killed innocent people. However there's the other side as well which is when there a is a legitimate need for defense, especially against attackers who often have guns. In a good situation the police are maybe five minutes away, if you're like me and lived in a rural area they are twenty to thirty minutes away possibly. Most shootings are over in seconds. I've had had people try to open my door late at night, bodies have been left in the road sides with burned out cars to hide evidence of murder, road rage incidents crescendo into people brandishing guns both legal and illegal or outright shootings. Last month I drove to my wife's work to pick her up and ran across a shooting that had just happened, no one was hurt but there was a bullet hole in the windshield or a truck and police were pulling up to make a report, I don't know exactly what happened. You can easily pass a background check for a weapon in the US as long as you don't have a prior criminal record or admit to having any mental state that could prove dangerous. One shooting in Texas was carried out by a former Air Force member who was dishonourably discharged and sent to military prison for domestic and child abuse. The military failed to provide his records to the FBI so he cleared a background check to buy a weapon directly from a gun shop, I'm guessing he was even surprised at that. He shot up his ex wife's church and then was shot and chased down a highway by two random guys in a truck, one had grabbed a rifle from his house when he saw what was happening. They ran the shooter off the road and then rather than be finished off by the two in the truck on cought by police he ended himself. I say all this because I'm trying to give some perspective on the vicious cycle that causes a fair number of people to carry a handgun. It's similar to asking a villager in Somali, Sudan, or somewhere like that why they feel they need to carry an AK. It's not a good situation, and there are unfortunately tangible reasons to carry a firearm in the US and other parts of the world. Personally I'm looking for a safer place to live, going to try a different state first and if that doesn't work out I'll try to get a work visa or something to another country.
@@joshbonds3599 to further your point, I read some research recently that a huge number (i forget the exact number that was quoted) of mass shootings are carried out by people who have a history of domestic violence because for some reason domestic violence just isn't treated as seriously I guess? And doesn't bar people from getting a gun? Even though so many gun murders are domestic violence situations? And that maybe, just maybe, we could curb a great deal of gun violence by barring all people with even suspected domestic violence in their background,. but of course so many gun rights advocates would HOWL over that......wonder why.....
@@joshbonds3599 I agree, the gun-carrying by itself doesn't explain the violence. It would be good to know what socioeconomic, psychological and historical factors were involved. Maybe some day someone will do a study. Maybe someone someday will survey 1000 people in areas of equivalent population density in the US and Scandinavia and comprehensively find out what is different about attitudes in those places. If the gun lobby doesn't stop it.
I'm so glad you brought up the romanticism surrounding guns... as long as I can remember a gun was always the solution presented by Hollywood. What this country has become disgusts me. A well done information video. Thank you Leeja.
A firearm is a tool and is dangerous and many like yourself have a phobia. Firearms and men have kept you free. Now call a cop to save you. They won't show up in time or at all, they don't have to. You are on your own except mommy helps with your panties huh...
Given some of the sheer vehemence for and against woke agendas in Hollywood, particularly popular culture, I'm actually starting to think that a good proportion of Americans can no longer differentiate between Reality and Hollywood bullshit! But then, a good proportion of Americans, can no longer differentiate between Reality and crap in the Bible! In fact, I would postulate that for lots of Americans, Reality Itself is actually relative! And that you can make up your OWN Reality at will! AKA Insanity Rocks! And before some "smart arse" tries to introduce Einstein's Relativity into this equation, sure... Reality may bend and shift between differing observers, only when the mutual speed between them is great, and / or the mutual differences in gravity are substantial! So no, Americans do NOT have the luxury of making up their own version of Reality! And if you actually believe that, and believe that whatever shite comes out of Hollywood is Real and thus Important, then you need psychiatric help! Immediately!!!
Literally no one is defending the people mentioned at the beginning of this video. All of their actions were illegal, and of the dozens of gun owners I know, every last one of them would gladly see those people go to prison.
@@smileychessthe laws as they stand embolden killers to kill. That’s a fact. End of story. States where stand your ground goes into effect objectively see a rise in gun deaths. Sure, these psychos may go to jail for it because they still broke the law, but the law itself is what directly influences these people. They’re pleading not guilty for a reason, because they have enough reason and logic to think that they’re interpreting the law correctly. Those people are dead because one one thought they were legally entitled to kill them. That’s the issue, the fact that there is even a trial is the problem, killing people out of FEAR not out of THREAT
@bonglee66 - Can you? I spend a LOT of time around 2A advocates and gun owners. Misusing, mishandling, or illegally brandishing firearms is grounds to be shamed to the highest degree.
Actually, what you said was pretty-much exactly what I expected: a lot of Americans think that they’re special (thanks to that narrative being spoon-fed to them forever), and acting like decent human beings and admitting when they’ve got something like this so wrong is way too hard for their exceptional egos to bear. Don’t worry, we still love you - we’re just really concerned. ❤
@@thinkharder9332 I think that nit-picking over what the founding fathers (or the constitution) thought about firearms is completely irrelevant - they’re long gone. It’s 2023 FFS…America needs to have an honest discussion about itself TODAY, and reach a consensus about moving forward right now. History doesn’t deserve a seat at the table in this discussion and needs to be left outside, as it allows the waters to become way too muddy for any progress to happen.
@@aaronburdon221 lol, I couldn’t agree more…and all it takes is a brief look into America’s RECENT history to realise that they haven’t learned a goddamn thing from mass-shootings!
@@aaronburdon221 Then what about learning from the history of Germany in the 1930ies and kicking the Republican fascists to the curb? You are on a damn slippery slope, and American exceptionalism is at the core of it all. You are not special, other than believing you are.
@@thinkharder9332Meh, cherry pick what you will, the document you speak of (would you happen to know what the other amendments are?) is over 2 centuries old and doesn't really take in to consideration the extreme efficiency of the "arms", or killing machines, that we Americans get boners about. So there's that.
I was in year 5 at school living in Tasmania when the Port Arthur massacre happened. It was only an hour away from where we were. I still remember it today. My year 5 teacher lost her best friend. It was felt by everyone. Getting rid of guns was the best thing they did.
A word on the Christian right tradition and another connection to guns and freedom. There was research done on how various Americans view, value and express the idea of 'Freedom'. Most groups consistently agreed on things like freedom of speech, thought, association, movement and autonomy. Freedom of religion, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure also rated highly. But then the researchers found a big schism. One group identified the right to organize and work together to affect social structures, that part of freedom was in community structures and having a government that responded to their requests. But there was another group that specifically disagreed with that. They wanted the freedom FROM government. And then another quirk came up with that group. They identified their own right to control OTHER PEOPLES RIGHTS as Freedom. The researchers were so curious about this that they visited some areas where these answers had popped up, in order to follow up and get details. When they talked to people in those communities, they discovered a strong tradition stressing "the taming of the west", "cleansing the land for Jesus" and so on. The idea of Manifest Destiny and Christian Nationalism, that America was given to a specific group of Christians who arrived on the shores to discover that it was already occupied. So they proceeded to cleanse the land of its occupants for Jesus. One of the paintings shown in this clip had an angelic figure floating above settlers moving Westward; it's an old tradition. The researchers were told that the settlers had been cleansing the land in the name of freedom, purifying it for Jesus, and that dominating the land and killing the people who had lived here WAS PART OF THEIR FREEDOM. When you hear right wingers talking about the second amendment and guns defending their 'freedom', remember that they might not be talking about 'freedom' with the same meaning that you THINK it has.
This is interesting and terrifying all at once. I'm sure someone will cry that it's "not all Christians" the entire point of the religion is to conquer the world in the name of a god that would be absolutely appalled by the people who kiss his ass. It's completely insane. I'm so glad that the number of people who associate with a church is dwindling.
This is why they say they need to "re-claim" America. I used to be an evangelical (born into it). I recall sermons and teachings on how we had to wipe out the Natives People because, like Israel in the Bible, we had to tear down the high places (aka the worship of other gods). And that if god called us to do it again (take out people who worship other gods) we must be ready to obey. (Other gods are any that aren't evangelical so this includes other Christians) We were also taught that the only "real" rights anyone has are the rights given by god in Scripture and all other rights were evil. Since America was a "Christian nation" only Christians should be allowed to rule it. Taking away other people's rights (or lives if necessary) was holy and righteous because it would be in pursuit of a godly state. It's wasn't taught all the time when I was growing up, but I heard it enough for it to worry me because I didn't want to fight or force people into things. But it was framed as "either we do it to them or they'll do it to us." So this study makes a lot of sense.
Me I don't care I'll keep my guns and I'm always ready to defend myself I'd rather shoot first and ask questions later in other words I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six so armed with the knowledge and tools I have I'm prepared to bust a cap
Great video! I’ve always wondered why people ignored the first half of the second amendment when trying to defend their right to own as many guns of any kind for any reason. I live just 3 miles from the mall where the mass shooting in Allen Texas occurred recently, and if it had been one week later, my wife and son could very easily have been shopping there. I guess as long as rich people can buy politicians the rest of us just need to stay in our homes with the lights off and our heads down. America!
As a non American, the idea that there are people who think owning a firearm is a right is mind boggling. Like I can't imagine where I am from, someone pushing the idea that owning a weapon of mass destruction is a "right" enshrined in the constitution. Funnily enough they don't consider healthcare, affordable education and social security for the poor, things that actually better the lives of citizens, to be human rights!
Their believe is a gross misread of the 2nd. America's founders intended for states' militias to be the nation's defense. Today that would mean the National Guard of each state and D.C.
That's because we quite literally were formed as a frontier colony, there were no official law enforcement in most areas of our country so firearms were kinda necessary to keep the peace at first. These days it's just as necessary for that as police response times aren't instantaneous, especially so in rural areas. There are places in the US where I wouldn't tread without a gun and those places won't be any safer without the prescence of firearms. Though i do understand i have quite a bias for firearms as I have long had an interest of them. I have a fascination with firearms, I love to learn everything I can about them, to take them apart and put them back together and express myself in a way that I am truly passionate about. We do have Healthcare to an extent, there are programs for free Healthcare if you're desperate but the quality is dubious, however there are also programs that can greatly lessen the cost for medical procedures. Public schooling is also free as well (besides paid lunches, reimbursement for broken school property like chromebooks, and sometimes field trips) but the quality of schools differs from district to district. As for social security, there are programs for low income households as well, in fact the government spends quite a bit in offering lower cost apartments, EBT (card for food), disability, etc. It's not exactly the best of quality at times but it is still a safety net that has helped my family when times were especially tough.
The sad fact is that for many in the US, guns have become a literal fetish. Now when I say "fetish" I am using the original meaning of "an item required for the performance of a religious/spiritual ritual." In this case the religious ritual of "freedom". For many on the right "freedom" is not a political concept, it is a religious sacrament that requires it's fetishes to complete, namely; The flag, the bible, the constitution, and the gun. This is why the debate goes nowhere. For a lot of these people, guns are not a tool or a weapon, but a holy artifact.
The real problem is Black on Black gun violence. It dwarfs any other kind. Yet it's not mentioned once in the comment section. How is that? Right wing nuts don't come close to committing the carnage in the inner cities. In Baltimore alone, 2000!!! dead in just six years. that's just one city, and Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, LA, DC...it so outnumbers any other type of gun violence. None of those Black guys consider the Bible, the flag, the Constitution...
@@thomasoates3003 so your trying to tell me your only example of an amendment used to repeal an amendment is one that gave the privilege now you're try to use that to justify not taking away a privilege but a right to keep and bear arms
@blowinatranny No, I'm using it to point out the opposite. Amendment 18 brought in Prohibition, Amendment 21 repealed it. Congress could repeal Amendent 2 tomorrow; it has the power to do so.
It hasn't and there's a better than 90% chance that all the perpetrators will be found guilty. But that will take two or three years and won't make the news. So as of now the cheerleader shooting suspect, Pedro Tello Rodriguez Jr., 25, has been charged with deadly conduct, a third-degree felony. The New York man has been charged with murder. And the 84 year old Andrew Lester will face charges of assault in the first degree and armed criminal action.
You do realize most places in the US don't have "stand your ground laws" right? Usually self defense tends to be judged differently in different states. For example, in my state if you just shot somebody on your lawn and they happened to die then congrats! You've won a first class trip to a prison of the court's choice!
Shooting trespassers on land you owned or placing lethal boobytraps at the entrances of your home was legal in much of the US until the 1960s. "Trespassers will be shot" was a common warning sign on several properties when I was a kid. They meant it too. Only a Supreme Court case involving a Postal worker who found a lethal boobytrap when making a delivery ended that.
I think a lot of people just don't want to be held accountable. That's why they really don't want any kind of gun registration and required transfers of ownership. I think at least just that would cut down on some of the unregulated sales and straw purchases. But people won't even agree to do something that simple. Finland has a system like that and a very strong firearms culture in which 1.5 million out of 5.5 million people own guns and have many of the AR and AKs available here with high capacity magazines. There's barely any violent crime, let alone gun crime. But all men ages 18 to 28 are required to serve up to one year in the defense force and those men 18 to 60 years old are all reservists with periodic remediation exercises and training. So there's probably a pretty different mindset there overall. More trust between each other and the government too.
@@joshbonds3599 I broadly agree - we want freedoms without the responsibilities associated with those freedoms. This is exacerbated by the hyper-individualistic culture we've become over the last several decades. No sense of community means no sense of responsibility to others. But there are tons of other variables at play here, too. Political turmoil, wealth inequality, general economic hardship, lack of access to affordable childcare and healthcare, widespread disinformation / propaganda, etc. None of these things exists in a bubble; they're all interconnected and typically systemic. Which makes it hard to deal with any individual issue or create any significant improvements.
100% Leeja. Beau of the Fifth Column did a lot of work around this idea as well, especially the (right-wing) fabricated cultural fantasy of gun ownership, the glorification of violence/those who propagate it, and the extremely toxic, forced intersection between masculinity and firearms. Problematically, there are so many firearms currently in the United States that even if we were to melt down a thousand a day it would take many hundreds of years for us to be rid of them (and that's assuming no new ones are produced and everyone is on board). I think we need to start with a hard, cultural shift around firearms and agree with introducing legislation that begins to tighten regulations, especially around their storage and use.
Australian here, constitution, heck most Aussies wouldn't have a clue what's in our constitution, and nobody is holding our founders up as gods. That's not to suggest even for a second that we don't love our country, we do, but the founders aren't gods, just people.
Stop to think about how ridiculous it is that most Aussies don't even know what is in the document that sets up your government. Sadly, an increasing percentage of Americans don't know what OURS means which is why people like Leeja, Type Ashton, Representative Jamie Raskin have convinced so many Americans that it isn't a right. If they were informed they wouldn't fall for that lie.
Port Arthur was horrific. My brother was in the same class as one of the victims. She’d gone on holiday with her mum. Then there was Alannah and Madeline- they were hunted down! So yes! We were very keen to not have a repeat. And we haven’t. This is why Australians as a whole just don’t understand why America won’t do anything to stop it. Like ‘thoughts and prayers’ achieves anything! 💔
I'm an American who was at Port Arthur six months before, fortunately for me. And I agree that many Americans are absolutely nuts on gun issues. What can I say?
That was a Mos-sad and C.I.A. Operation to disarm it's Citizens , Wake up and stop drinking the cool aid . C.i.a has been caught so many times using False flags , setting up crazy people with radical Ideologies , And enticing them to 'gun free zones" . Please stop being biased because of mainstream media blowing smoke up your arse . And look at the Aussies now ? They are killing all of you slowly , you cannot even go down the street anymore before you are attacked by "men" and women with guns , Give me a Break .
@@danielcarroll3358 Yep yer Nutz ! Did you see all the Yemenis Children dead from the U.N. and the U.S.? Yep we hired 12 year old boys from Darfur trained them gave them fully automatic weapons to fight on the front line in Yemen , so many dead Children , I guess that's called stand your Ground and give me your tax money to disarm you and get attack by who ?? . HOWEVER WE NEED AMERICA TO GET RID OF YOUR GUNS , BORDERS OPENED AND RUSSIA AND CHINA IS GOING TO Attack , so lets hand in those firearms and bend over rover .👍 Good times , feeding emotional propaganda to make us soft and ready for the taking . I Love China , Good times . B.T.W my Wife is very upset seeing so many weak willed Women . She Loves her Glock's , Good Times .🙏
After one of the mass shootings, Chris Hayes on MSNBC made a passing description of all this gunplay as “sacrifices to Moloch.” Call me crazy (heck, I think it’s a crazy idea), but at this point maybe the young man was “on” to something…?
This woman is a coward and an idiot, go watch videos of people getting assaulted and murdered online, you'll see why I will never give up my weapons, it is the duty of strong men to protect themselves, their kin and their fellow citizens, do not try to take that from us, leave it to cowards to run for a fight.
We are living under the tyranny of the reinvention of the past. The 'originalists' invented that term to empower their personal, contemporary whims. That is why they ignore the past and rewrite laws to force their will on the majority.
I'm from Greece and I've been wondering this exact thing for a long while. I asked my father about it recently, and we had a conversation about it: He believes the reason connects to why Americans also love dogs. It goes back ages, back to when the US was a new nation. Being so vast, most people lived in extremely rural areas, entirely alone with their families, where the closest neighboor could be 30 miles away. In those scenarios, the only things that could protect you were guns and dogs. There was no police, no government close, nothing. While in most places in Europe we were too preoccupied trying not to choke to death on chemicals inside gigantic cities, in the US even children carried guns and walked with dogs, because what else can protect you in an area with wild animals than people? This also connects with the general strong distrust towards authority and the government. It eventually created a "F you, I know better than you!" attitude. And combined with guns, it goes south FAST. So many Americans these days are living with a 1800's mentality.
Even if one lives in a town or city, if someone does attack you the police take minutes to arrive. For instance, an elderly man in my area had someone decades younger than he attempt to beat him to death with a piece of lumber. The only reason his attacker didn't succeed was that the senior citizen was carrying his pistol. Are you really saying he and the rest of us should be defenseless? If you look at what governments do to people it is entirely logical that we distrust government and government power. That distrust is the very reason we have a Bill of Rights putting limits on government power.
In 1774 England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!1 Then attempted gun confiscation by 8-900 English soldiers on April 19 1775 in Mass. started that 8 year war (1775-1783) for American independence & England almost won that war & came back again in 1812-1815!!
A really eye-opening summation of the entrenched, greed-based justification of the right to bear as many arms as possible, the more deadly the better. Very well done.
The man who shot those cheer leaders was neither standing his ground nor defending his property, same as the guy who shot that girl in NY. If the person you are "defending" yourself against is fleeing from you, YOU ARE NOT DEFENDING YOURSELF! The man who shot that kid in the head wasn't standing his ground either. I've heard 2 stories about how this happened, if the kid was shot through a door, without making entry to the house, that man had no grounds to shoot him since his castle had not yet been invaded. If the other story is true, and that man opened his door to shoot, he still had no grounds to shoot because by opening the door, he was technically allowing the boy entry to his house.
You are right. And there should be regulation in place to make sure mentaly unstable people and people with bad character don't have access to these weapons.
Hold on a second. If I open my front door, that does not in any way give someone at the door "entry" to my house. It merely allows us to engage in a face-to-face conversation. I have to actively invite them in or If someone knocks on my door, I open the door, and they try to enter through me, they're going down as hard as I can put them down.
Aside from the part of the opening the door your are spot on with the rest, opening a door is not an invitation to enter. Sadly with the amount of guns and how easy they are to get there is going to be more mass shootings and school shootings as well as just random killings and such things. Every other free Country has dealt with this issue, yes we still have gun violence but with us it's rare in the U.S. it's a typical day.
@@arohk1579 you arw right. But you also can't shoot people loke that. Maybe asking what they want will clarify the situation. I also doubt the guy immediately entered the house. People most say something like I'm here for my brother. The guy brought the gun to answer the door.
@@puclopuclik4108 I was referring only to the part with what if the guy has a knife. and even then there is no need to shoot. Shooting anyone without just cause is flat out murder. I live in Canada where if this happened you would be arrested for murder without a doubt. When I said the opening the door part I ment that unless you say come in it's not an automatic invitation to enter, but shooting a person for just ringing your bell, well then he should be charged and all weapons removed and banned from owning anymore, as should be the case with all of them.
"Scalia then cherry picked some political writing that backed up his opinion, just like I cherry picked academic writing that backs up my opinion..." That's definitely one of the top ten most honest and fair things I've ever heard on the internet. Kudos.
If you don't like that ruling, I suggest training your ire on DC and their laughably excessive regulations, which gave the court the case from which to render this decision.
I found that framing a bit odd. It seems to be another way to say, "Scalia searched and found evidence that supported his argument, just like I searched and found evidence that supported my argument." Isn't that actually how arguments are supposed to go? The problem in this case is that Scalia is in a bought-and-paid for Supreme Court, not that he cited the evidence that supported his position.
The problem is that the criminal will always have access to weapons. No matter how restricted the law is. When you want to ban guns, you are not disarming the criminal. You are disarming the victims.
In Europe, criminals also have access to weapons. Even when there have been gun shootings in Denmark and Sweden, people feel safe and if someone wants a weapon, you need training and a licence. The shootings have been between criminal gangs.
But another problem is that in countries like the UK and Japan, both of which have strict gun laws, have much less gun violence. Even if criminals disregard the law it's still harder to get guns when they aren't sold in a public store. They have to go locate an actual gun dealer, meet up, try not to get caught on the way, and then they have a weapon. Probably more steps but it's still more complicated than just buying one from a gun store.
@@mariustan9275 But there is yet another problem. What do you care about, the general level of violence or specifically the level of gun violence? If the murderer didn't have a gun and stabbed the victim with a kitchen knife, would it make you feel better? I assume that no. Therefore, it makes sense to talk about the general level of violence, and not any specific one. Moreover, in order not to exclude self-defense cases, it makes sense to consider only cases of aggression performed by criminals. Surprisingly, there is absolutely no correlation between gun laws and crime rates. You know, there is such a country called Switzerland. It has some of the most permissive gun laws and one of the lowest crime rates. And yet there is Chicago, for example, with the opposite situation. And yes, life in Japan is actually quite calm, which I would not say about the UK though, but this has less to do with their gun laws and more to do with their immigration policy.
They act on behalf of manufacturers by persuading gun owners their interests are aligned. Most collectors I know would probably prefer the NRA try to bring down the price of ammo than ensure everyone at coachella can open carry
I dont support them as they support gun control in back room so they can fund raise to fight it in front room, while most the money goes to pay for their lifestyles.
I had to stop wearing hoodies. I have a skin condition where i sunburn within a few minutes, so when going to fetch the mail at the end of the block, I need to cover up, usually I wear my hoodie with the hood up. As I walked to the mailbox, nextdoor app lit up talking about a suspicious guy in a hoodie, then i got swarmed by a bunch of neighbors in golf carts. Just absolutely karenesque nightmare scenario. I was just staying with my gf at the time.. funny thing is I’m extremely blindingly white and they still did this. Imagine being black in the same situation…
WTF is it about Hoodies...? Millions are sold every year , yet they must all be worn by only "criminals"..... I also have a friend that is CONVINCED that everyone wearing a backpack is a drug dealer as well...... WTF....???
I was at a sci fi convention where they made us "peace bond" our fake weapons so that we couldn't actually hurt ourselves or someone with them and there were people walking around outside the hotel with actual automatic weapons entirely legally. It was wild....
In make believe land we make believe made some rules that compelled us to put our make believe weapons in a make believe place so we could be make believe safe. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm surprised you didn't mention that in the 60's when The Black Panthers started arming themselves that then Governor Reagan was swift 2 implement gun laws in California
So helpful to have this whole narrative spelled out. I despise the NRA and the cherry picking of constitutional arguments, but I appreciate you laying out that there’s a lot more to it! Didn’t even know about the Hollywood-ification of the Wild West. Another great video!
EVERYBODY despises the NRA, especially us progun folk They take pro-2a money and don't even *try* to challenge anything legally or pass anything to increase our rights
@@Drygon52 Well the claim they the idea that the 2nd protects an individual is new. The worrying is exactly the same "the right of the people" as in the 1st and 4th amendments so everyone assumed it was an individual right. This includes the supreme Court in Dred Scot decision in 1857. The court said that of Black people had rights it would be impossible to deny them guns. She also claimed that racism caused the "reasonable belief" standard to be adopted. At the time it was almost none of the prior it applied to would have ever seen a Black man. Englishmen rarely did when the common law was being formed. Want more? Oh right the idea that the founders only wanted guns available for the common good. Very windy considering the right applied to all agrees and both sexes and only 18-35 year old males served in the militia. Really if it wasn't a literal rewiring of the facts of Sam incident she got it wrong. Also not one of the cases she listed had saying to do with stand your ground.
According to THE NEW YORK TIMES, four states - Tennessee, along with Arizona, Georgia and Virginia - enacted laws in 2010 that explicitly allows loaded guns in bars. Again: loaded guns carried by patrons in bars and restaurants serving alcohol is legal in parts of the USA.
@@nashvegas4476 You're feasting on a lot of innocent dead bodies that BEFORE they were born ya'll supposedly cared so much about. We judge you all for very good reasons. Thinking what you wrote being some incredible and funny turn of a phrase is just one more iron the rest of us throw on the fire at this point and if that judgement makes you resentmentful... My answer is for you to live. That's all. Live... Another two, three, four decades. Squeeze the juices out of life. And then, while aged and surrounded by your loved ones and friends such as they are... Please shuffle off this mortal coil STILL being resentful that others thought your character, intelligence, judgement and morals were all trash. We all know that's what nearly every angle you guys take on every conceivable issue boils down to that anyway.
As a former Marine. I always like to point out that if guns make us safer, then why don't they just let the Marines have their guns on base and in the barracks? Definitely not safe!
I doubt you'll see a lot of drive-by shootings and home invasions on a military base. Spousal abuse and maybe rape, but those are almost always between people who know each other, not strangers.
Actually that was the case in the 70s. I was at Quantico and because I was married, I kept my M-14 at home. The only thing was that if you were married they didn't issue one with a selector switch.
My best friend in grade school and my maternal grandmother both died by gun "accidents." At 61, almost 62 years old, I cannot stand guns, don't want one near me, have no desire to own one and wish they didn't exist. I've suffered quite enough from those freaking things.
@@tneita3166 Seeing as how there's no way to know when someone will be subject to the stresses that snap a mind, a safer guideline would be "NO ONE should have access to guns, period." But of course sanity cannot be allowed to rule the day.
As an Australian we also have to have a license to own and use guns and if you’re found to do things against that you’ll have your guns taken away by the authorities. It makes me feel really safe
Fellow Aussie and same. I got told recently that us Aussies are actually jealous of American freedoms. Like we're really not. "you're jealous you can't keep yourself safe" from what, crazed gunmen? Don't have that problem here buddy
@@katerrinah5442 yeah, what on earth do they possibly think we are jealous of? We're perfectly happy with things the way they are re: the gun situation here, thank you very much! You always know somebody has no idea what is actually going on when they accuse you of being jealous of them.
@@philbydeeWhat y'all are describing is the bat shit lunacy gun-humping culture that has been allowed to be promoted in this country. The second amendment should have been repealed as soon as we had a full, standing military. I, personally, am envious of the swift and decisive action governments like yours and NZ took after mass shootings. We need legislators with balls here that will refuse to take money from the gun lobbyists and actually give a shit about what the citizens want. Public safety is just one of their responsibilities they consistently ignore. Sincerely, A jealous American.
@@philbydee One of the most disgusting things about Americans is that they have this incredibly stupid self-sucking belief that everyone in the world wants to be them. (Speaking as an American sick to death of HUAH jingo boys and girls.)
@@katerrinah5442as an American I think it’s the other way. I’m so jealous that Australia was able to reform gun laws and the statistics prove that gun reform is effective. Many Americans believe that owning a gun is so the government can’t become tyrannical. I always tell them that it made sense when the second amendment was written but nowadays if the us government becomes tyrannical they have access to drones and fighter jets like seriously how is a firearm suppose to counter a drone strike? I hate the second amendment and the bloodshed that it allows and nothing being done.
I think the key important difference between Australia and the U.S. is also time period. At the time of Australia's Federation era you had John Stuart Mill, and his macro-ethical frameworks of rule utilitarianism. This deeply influenced the idea of early Australian lawmakers not to see laws as if divinely inspired or crafted from some desire or contemplations of a categorical imperative, but rather at its core recognized the need for laws to be adapted, changed, and that humans are limited in aforethought as to time, place and resources--That humans are only human, and so are their laws. So we have none of that 'Founding Fathers' stuff. Hence why we also have no bill of rights, because the argument being that if laws cannot defend (or not stop) your responsibilities and rights on their own, they do not exist in praxis. We also tend to view 'rights' as inseparable of intellectual duties. You have the right to live in a democracy -> You have a duty to vote, failure to do so is failure to maintain a social contract underpinning democracy. You have freedom of association -> You have a duty to recognize collective bargaining and not impinge the material wellbeing of others in expressing theirs. It's a *very direct* form of rule utilitarianism, with a bit of neoplatonism and collective oneness of a society we (mostly) want to participate in. This can have its darker aspects--Like why when politicians want top appeal to a voter's feelings, they'll use words like 'fair go', 'egalitarianism', etc with the assumption their policies embody it or circumventing structuralist critiques in favour with the *assumption* that things are fine as they are. It tends to bias apathy or the status quo of relations (in that it's very, *very* difficult to understand personal inputs and collective wellbeing in any one moment), rather than making appeals to being the 'better angels of our nature' as your Abraham Lincoln put it so eloquently. But given Australia's seemingly high resistance to the overt right wing reactionaries and 'prelapsarian'/'Clash of Civilizations'/'Liberal end-stage-ism' rhetoric that crops up in Europe, Japan, South Korea or the U.S. and more, maybe I shouldn't be complaining (and yes... I recognize the hypocrisy of this statement and the one above it) ...
In 1774 250 years ago England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!! Attempted gun confiscation by 8-900 English soldiers in Mass on April 19-1775 started that 8-year war (1775-1783) for American independence & England almost won that war!! England came back in 1812-1815!!
When I was a kid, the NRA was a pretty good organization, mostly teaching gun safety and catering to collectors. In 1975 I got a questionnaire from them: “We want to know your thoughts on gun rights.” It consisted of three “questions”: 1) True or False, the US Constitution says “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” 2) True or False, the Constitution is the law of the land. 3) I want to support the NRA with the following contribution…
The NRA is to The LEFT what Planned Parenthood is to The RIGHT A SCAPEGOAT Neither The NRA NOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD are BAD organizations but they are BOTH SCAPEGOATED because BOTH The LEFT AND The RIGHT believe they need a BOOGEYMAN to HATE The LEFT HATES The NRA despite the FACT that they support GUN SAFETY and The RIGHT HATES Planned Parenthood even though they do MORE than JUST ABORTION and have done MORE to REDUCE ABORTION than The RIGHT-Wing EVER has by giving people BIRTH CONTROL AND CONDOMS and SUPPORTING sex education that focuses on SAFE SEX instead of that ABSTINENCE BULLSHIT that MANY on the RIGHT SUPPORT ABSTINENCE education does NOT REDUCE ABORTION and MARRIED FEMALES can still get UNWANTED PREGNANCIES SIMPLY WAITING UNTIL MARRIAGE does NOT MAGICALLY PREVENT females from having UNWANTED PREGNANCIES That’s a TOTAL LIE and it should NOT be taught in schools These organizations are treated like bad organizations NOT because they ARE but because The LEFT and RIGHT ALWAYS WANT a BOOGEYMAN to HATE
Back then, my dad would read between the lines, and he taught me to question and research. 30 years later, he turned into a Fox/Sinclair parrot conspiracy theorist. I was so sad.
Defunding schools has certainly helped make sure many people's understanding of the Constitution begins and ends with that excerpt from the 2nd Amendment.
@@Galaar The OTHER amendments are POINTLESS without The 2nd Amendment because without The 2nd Amendment It would be MUCH EASIER for the government to VIOLATE the OTHER amendments
As an Australian of five decades I have never even seen a hangun or a semi automatic weapon in real life. And that's even after working with police officers in a police building for a few years. I'm glad to keep it that way.
Last night I went to watch a movie in Florida, and all the security guards in the theatre were carrying guns. And there was like 4 of them at least that I saw. Absolutely wild.
Well, this is Florida. The guards were probably there to arrest anyone who cheered a gay character in the movie, or who suggested America kept slaves. You know, anyone who disagreed with Dear Leader Ron
Why does this women not have her own network talk show? She’s doing the research and lays out her show so well perfectly. Her ending that’s simply stated clear things wrong, and drawing our quick empathy reminded me of something John Oliver would do.
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person,” said Madison. this is the original authors first version of the second amendment before the government hacked it up
Even if that is true, it's irrelevant. The text that was voted on that eventually became the 2nd amendment (your so-called "hacked-up" version) is the only version that is legitimate. Drafts are often corrected or altered in order to achieve a consensus. You're portraying Madison as somehow divinely infallible or pure (a theme covered in the video). The fact that the final version differs from your alleged original draft should indicate to you that Madison's contemporaries and equals did not consider him so. Did Madison vote in favour of, or against, the text as it currently stands? That might also tell you something.
@@cottawalla You make some good points, except that both versions actually have the same basic meaning if you use good reading comprehension. The militias are comprised of individuals and individuals need to be able to own and operated weapons to protect. Same in both. The issue comes that others adaption of the original have left modern people confused, even though the meaning is basically the same. The original is context and context is everything!
@famseymour The final adopted version clearly says that States have the right to retain militias for the purpose of self defence, and to that end the federation of which it is a member shall not prevent the people of a state from bearing arms. State governments may, and do, legislate arms control, but not the federal government. That's very different to the original draft, which effectively says that the people shall not be prevented from bearing arms, neither by the federal government nor any state government. It refers to country rather than state.
It was made for white men in particular during that time. It was not made for us black folks or even for women at the time. Now we all can legally and responsibly own firearms. The problem is lack of representation so anybody on this side of the fence automatically assumes the person who has guns is white, male, conservative, christian, bigoted and unhinged. Those people exist. Remember the Klan in Charlottesville or the Proud Boys? They don't represent the rest of us though. And I believe in protecting vulnerable people against such groups.
@@Chill-mm4pnAs a former 2A nut that conveniently ignored history is one of my biggest problems with the reich wing gun crowd tho, and I for one think it's a big part of what's standing in the way of 2A individual rights actually leading to a decent freedom preserving society the way they claim to want it to. I still believe there's a potential for armed responsible and respectable citizens to serve some kind of check and balance role like the crowd claims and you seem to try to fulfill from the sounds of it, but the turbo alt rightist militia chuds are certainly no help to our rights, they're a massive liability to them. Always good to hear from gun owners that aren't rightist chuds tho. Love it or hate it gun ownership by minorities and liberals and leftists is one of the few actionable ways we can discourage the worst of the far rightist crowd, so they know it's not such a given that we'd be a "soft target" if they ever got the idea to actually try some shit.
My friends are pretty obesessed with their guns, and there's no way that I could ever feel that comfortable around them because it's like being near a huge factory machine that could kill you. Both you can be safe with if you're trained but even then, accidents happen. I feel like there's more chance of you getting screwed by having a gun than it actually coming in as a saving object (self-defense). Chances are your kid could somehow figure out the combo to your gun safe before anyone would break into your house.
The guns your friends own aren't going to jump out of the holster and shoot you themselves just like a machine in factory wont. You are more likely to kill a kid with your car than I am to kill a kid with my gun. you are a paranoid person who doesn't know a single thing about guns.
I've known of two people in my life killed by guns. One was (probably) an accident. The other was a suicide. I know some kids who lost their cousin in Uvalde. I grew up with a gun in my home. It's seriously frustrating that all these cowboy wannabes are the ones leading the narrative and making the gun laws in this country because most of the people with sense know there's a wide gulf between a total ban and the insane, laissez-faire deregulation going on now.
You do realize there are different type of safes right ? Also you should probably train your kid not tell them to never touch it. 😮💨 treat it like a stove
i think its interesting to think about WHEN the NRA changed to become partisan - the 70s. i wonder had happened in the 60s-70s to make people in the NRA suddenly so concerned about "self-defence" 🤔
@@tankiegirl And the overall civil unrest of the Civil Rights Movement, the anti-Viet Nam War protests, and the rise of the Counterculture. I was there; I supported all of these; and I can see now how terrifying they must have been to the “Silent Majority.”
@@jeanettewaverly2590 We need a return to our radical roots as a country, but unfortunately many of your era are not here today to pass on their traditions after the government declared war on activists and the AIDs genocide.
@@tankiegirl I appreciate the compliment, but I must admit that many of my generation are no longer with us due to our overly enthusiastic experimentation with questionable pharmaceuticals.
I've already subscribed, and this is another video I liked. You have said things I've been talking about for many decades. There is something I need to point out, which I have done elsewhere. When people talk about America, they forget whole segments of society. When it comes to gun control, there is a very important segment that you left out. I don't say this in malice, of course. In America's wars with Native Americans, they lost as often as they won. There was no end in the fighting as settlers continued to encroach and outright attack as we successfully fought back again and again. The government found its solution in offering peace treaties which they knew they would later violate. This hinged on getting our people to turn over their guns. We lived up to our end of the argument, the US government did not. Once we were unable to defend ourselves, we were progressively hemmed in, and the rest is bloody history; a history which continues to play out to this day with violence against Natives that goes unreported. As Americans talk about self-defense against a strong federal government, they also support that strong federal government against Native rights. Again, without arms, we are defenseless. When we did take up arms in self-defense, we created AIM-the American Indian Movement. Our leader is still in prison for the crime of speaking out for our people. This is a significant piece of the American mindset that is far more applicable than the fear of a boogieman. To be blunt: people know what they do to Natives can be done to them.
There was one school shooting in the UK and the government tightened up gun laws. Since then there hasn't been another school shooting, after guns were essentially banned. Now if you want gun you'll need either a shotgun or rifle licence, a reason why you need one like permission to hunt on a farmers land. It'll need to locked away in a gun safe, and the ammo will need to be locked in a separate ammo safe. Police can come round uninvited to carry out checks that the guns/s and ammo are safely stored.
Hi Leeja and thanks for the content. One thing people often forget is the Mulford Act. It basically took guns out of citizens (black citizens) because of the BPP walking into the California state house in protest armed with long guns. Advocates for the 2nd amendment forget this conveniently. Funny how January 6th was ok but BPP doing the same thing were out of lines and communist.
@@manniking233 Yes. The NRA did push the bill for gun control- gun control for blacks.Governor Ronald Reagan, who was coincidentally present on the capitol lawn when the BPP arrived, later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."
@@SD80 . The guntoting brigade are conveniently silent about that fact: Their lord and savior, Ronald Reagan, was a gun control advocate, especially, against black gun owners. I wonder why? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Jeffersonian republicanism, my black azz! 😅 I support gun rights... But from the point of view of the BPP. And proudly, if I may add. 😅
@@manniking233 LOL. Whats even more hilarious is how they negate guns away from blacks but then burn Rosewood and Tulsa down to the ground. Then later say pull your bootstraps up and create good , thriving communities. If the Klan didn’t have guns we would’ve whipped their asses
Plenty of firearm owners are aware of this and many don't support the NRA. There's a great many leftists who support 2A as well, and it's disingenuous to act as if all firearm owners are racist hickabily Republicans.
I’m always telling my students, “The Constitution doesn’t guarantee your right to own a car, but that doesn’t mean that the Big Bad Government has taken away all the cars. The Constitution doesn’t specifically guarantee your right to own most things. What is it that makes guns so special?”
I don't know. Ask the Black guys here in Baltimore. Six years, over 2000!!! murdered. Just one city. Those killers don't know anything about the Constitution.
@@Anon54387 Most likely they imagined that somewhere down the line there might be a despot president or senators that didn't represent the people enough for a revolution. And that there should be a volunteer militia ready to defend freedom. Much like they themselves did. And enumerating that within the Constitution would make it more difficult for said despot to dismantle their opposition. It was never meant to mean 'every man woman and child should have a gun!' Also, they would likely be horrified with the weapons we possess today. It took almost a minute to reload a single shot in their day. Compare that to high capacity magazines and automatic rifles. And ironically, this interpretation conveniently throws out the whole bit about a people's militia in favor of individual gun ownership. Which completely defeats the most likely original intention
@@Anon54387 so we didn't have a good shot at coming back to take back what the war oif independance won? (a. n. englishman) the 'well regulated militia' bit has pretty clear objectives, i'd say. & btw: well regulated militias were *extremely* rare (ie. no-one had one) in places we colonised.
Good video. I did actually learn some things. :) A favorite fictional law-enforcer liked to say, "Follow the money". Private gun ownership in the USA is an industry worth billions. So it is inevitable that the people making this money wish to keep doing so - meaning a chunk of money put into mass marketing, political influence and media. Amongst other results, the NRA changed - from an organization all about safety and education into this screaming thing whose response to any issue is always "WE NEED MORE GUNS!!!!!!" As an Australian, I can say that Australia's gun laws were generally much tighter than the USA's even before the Port Arthur horror. But it was all being done at the State level, and getting Australia's States to unanimously agree on ANYTHING has always been an uphill battle. So there was a great deal of inconsistency and numerous loopholes - most of which was eliminated after this tragedy. One anecdote from then. The Premier of Queensland (equivalent to a US State Governor) openly supported the new laws despite knowing full well it would cost him an impending election. But, as he said, "It was the right thing to do." Yes, he lost that election, but gained a lot of respect.
Killing the business model though guns are not like cars when they get better and old ones wear out ,guns just put holes in stuff and don't really wear out ,they are small though so you can have cupboards full of them though I guess.if you can't find something better to do with the money.or you could just steal some money for another gun I guess.
As a single woman who lives who lives in the middle of no where, i am of course a gun owner. And i believe that there are many valid points to be made for this "no guns argument". But i firmly believe that many of these gun deaths, are simply violent crime deaths. Being, we have a bigger fundamental problem than "they have a gun and used it". We need to be addressing violent crimes, and repeat offenders of violent crimes. Because when we take the guns away, it just turns i to people stabbing or bludgeoning each other. School shootings? Why aren't we addressing why so many kids want to kill other kids? Regulate, sure. But there are deeper issues we need to be dealing with.
Being afraid IS NOT the same as being threatened. The number of people who use fear as a justification for murder and get away with it due to social paranoia should really be more of a concern than it is...
Right. Especially since many white people are afraid of black people, period, regardless of behavior. An objectively reasonable standard is best. If a person is standing on a door step and rings the bell, it is not objectively reasonable for the person inside to fear for their life. The subjective fear of the person inside (because they are paranoid and/or racist for example) should not allow for murder.
You’re absolutely right. Unfortunately, due to a number of systemic reasons, the lizard brain jn Americans will almost never listen to reason lol. Notice how in 2 decades we went from the “well regulated militia” to “anyone should be able to own a sawed off shotgun” and if you talked to a modern conservative, they seem to think this has been the norm since the countries founding. And these are the same people who want to go back to 1950s America lmfaoooo (to be fair, they want the social repression without any of the technological or modern advances being lost)
I'm waiting for the current supreme court to decide that gay panic is a justifiable reason to kill gay people...
a lot of cops use this same excuse.....cant be a brave warrior if you get scared at the drop of a hat
@@keirangrant1607 Good point. Why is it that all those wannabe badasses are so afraid they insist they need a ton of firepower?
I'm always surprised of how what americans call "lobbying" in the rest of the world we call it "bribing"
Because "lobbying" sound much fancier and chic than saying "bribing" or "corruption"
Because everything in America is an act of corruption, due to our capitalist system. Which is why we Americans are trained at a young age to reverse psychology ourselves in order to deal with and justify the crushing corruption.
Lobbying is one of those words that once had a very specific meaning and now has morphed into a more general term. You probably mean something different by it than the next person does.
But I'll say that we certainly have the right to influence our government. We got some of the worst aspects of the post-Uvalde gun control stripped from the bill by calling our representatives and senators. Still, what remained is bad enough. We are seeing that now as the Biden admin is attempting to twist what IS in that law by creatively reinterpreting it much like the ATF is re-interpreting what is a gun never mind that the language itself in the law hasn't changed but rather what the ATF is SAYING it means has changed. Despite differences on the gun issue, I would think you would agree that suddenly deciding the same words mean something different now than at the time they were enacted is problematic to rule of law and basic fairness. Moreover, these laws are purposely vaguely written by Congressmembers who don't like gun rights specifically so the ATF can worm around like this. There was a court case in the USA checking the EPA's power because they were doing the same as the ATF in this regard. At the heart of it is a Constitutional principle because Congress is supposed to write the bills that become law not the bureaucrats in the executive branch. This is a rather involved discussion, but is really at the heart of much of these problems, and it is called Chevron deference if you want to look it up. Detailing it here would take a lot of space.
10000000%
Lobbying is just legal bribery.
My former step-father (who is a complete a-hole) was recently in the news for pointing a gun at a woman who pulled into his driveway to turn around. His own Ring camera recorded it, which he freely gave to the police (that HE called, because he's a moron), and he was rightfully arrested.
Lol!!
We live in a country where we are more afraid of the consequences of knocking on the wrong door than we are of the consequences of shooting someone.
@@synthstatic9889 True that.
Before this year I’ve never even thought of the possibility of being shot at for turning around in someone’s driveway. It’s absolutely insane to me that we are at this point. There’s literally nowhere safe in this country.
@@CampingforCool41 Pointing a gun at a driver doing the appropriate action to turn around? Three-point turns are the legal way of turning around.
The situation with the people who went to the door, rang the bell, realized it was the wrong house and then left only for the homeowner to shoot at their car as they were going away is absurd. Even if he really thought he was in danger, they were leaving. What the hell are you hoping to accomplish? Same for the cheerleaders in the parking lot. Dude got out of his car and went over to them to shoot them.
As I understand it, they didn't even walk up to the house. They pulled into the driveway, realized their error and were in the process of leaving when the nutbag opened fire.
The gun nuts are just looking for Any excuse to hurt somebody.
Technically once they left he wasn't no longer in danger. Not that he ever was. I realize most people on this channel have not met many of us left leaning folks who own firearms. Because we don't make it our personality like so many conservatives.
@@Chill-mm4pnThat's a double negative. Do you mean he was no longer in danger? Personally I think he should fuckong rot in jail. They were physically leaving and he killed an innocent person.
@@Chill-mm4pnThough I get your intention myself I think this comment could've used a little more clarity. If I understand your point right, you mean to say it's already a pretty open and shut case that he is *not* protected by the law the way Leeja made it sound, and you follow that up by referencing yourself as a left wing gun owner because you feel like most of the viewers are heavily biased liberals that don't understand valid uses of guns for self defense the way you do?
The use of “force “ in stand your ground law should be key. Someone ringing a doorbell , standing and waiting is not using force against anyone. So far from self defense.
I agree. Also I feel the, the cases mentioned at the beginning of the video are not evidence that the stand your ground laws or castle laws are not necessary. Do we really expect there to be no self defense cases where the shooting was clearly not justified? In a country of 330 Million people there are always going cases where things go wrong. Self defense does require people making correct choices. It's not a license to kill. Many self-defenses instructors will often warn people that even if they justifiably shoot someone in self-defense, they still might be sued, and will likely spend years in court no matter what, and their life will never really be the same.
These cases haven't even been tried yet
In the context of what a young male Negro is likely to do when waiting by a door late at night, it is self-defense.
I would say that the key should be the use of force or the threat of force. Someone threatening to bash your brain in with a bat while approaching you should be enough, you dont have to wait for the strike.
Castle Doctrine still requires a qualifying felony in order to justify use of force. It merely relieves a "duty to flee" if possible in public spaces, whereas one may put himself in danger within his own home, in turn causing a need for defensive force.
Stand Your Ground laws have existed for a long time as interpreted state ConLaw in places like Kentucky. Their recent statutory enactment in many states is largely a reaction to malicious prosecutions after valid self defense incidents, that in theory doesn't change underlying criteria to use force at all. An unintended consequence has been with mutual encounters by gang bangers, where last man standing claims he was defending himself, even if the reality may be mutually aggressive combat. That's a consequence of corrupt politics and discriminatory drug laws causing a black market with huge financial benefits to lawyers, insurance, and prisons, among others, perpetrated as a fraud n society.
Walking over to another car and shooting people is in no conceivable way "standing your ground". It's murder, plain and simple.
It is crazy complexe. If you think that a felony might be prevented by shooting to these people. That's why, in most country, you have to know how to write to make laws... But knowing how to write is suspect in USA...
@@pierregravel-primeau702an american has no call to action to prevent a felony. He also has no God or man given right to intrude on someone else's property, and open fire
Yeah that’s murder. But someone breaks into your house and you’re all alone that stand your ground law makes a lot more sense.
@@CallMeBlazer Breaking into a home is very different from someone using their driveway to turn around, or knocking on a door having the wrong address by mistake.
I like this channel, but anyone notice the sexist comment she made about making dinner for her ad? Girls?
You actually get it. The #1 problem with America is we treat our constitution as scripture instead of software.
Yes, but you only respect the parts that suit you. No one cares if Amazon and Walmart breach the first amendment rights of their employees by denying them the right to freedom of association by subverting, often with violence, the efforts of their workers to unionise. And now the Taliban the GOP wants to repeal the 19th amendment and de y women the right to vote or hold public office.
Well if that's the case is what you're saying is that freedom of speech and everything else you know like they're black people actually being people not like they were originally in the Constitution and how it change that can all change it's just software
Except that softwares evolve to be better. Modern progressism is backwards on all aspects, from leftist ideology to government supervision to the pedophile leaders in office
I see it as a hard rule the government isn't allowed to touch. While others like yourself see it as just suggestions that can be stripped away whenever convenient. Female body autonomy? Eh we don't like it anymore. Internment camps for citizens of a different race? Do process when we feel comfortable. Intellectual consistency is a better argument to me.
And like with scriptures the faithful pick and chose the bits they like and ignore the others.
In 1988 I traveled through the US with a group of young Europeans and Australians. At one point we took an apparently wrong turn with our van (there was no navigation in the car yet) and we ended up on someone's property. A big pickup truck came at us and a guy jumped out with a shotgun. He threatened us directly. We had to turn around quickly. And even though we said that we had apparently misinterpreted the map, he remained aggressive towards us. That was the moment for me to think: Something is very wrong here in this country!
For a while I lived in an area where, in a certain season, you could pick up walnuts from the roadsides. So I was going along, picking walnuts, and the land owner at one place, told me he'd seriously been considering shooting me, for picking up roadside walnuts in front of, not on but in front of, his property.
Yes people with serious mental health problems roaming free and carrying firearms.
Ah, nothing like anecdotal evidence to come to conclusions about an entire country.
You are correct. Something is very wrong here in this country.
@@bingosunnoon9341 Glad you think so. Stay in your basement and play video games.
i had a coworker once who casually mentioned that over the weekend he had sat in front of his window with his rifle in his lap, watching a guy cut across his yard while walking somewhere because he found that suspicious enough to have his firearm at the ready. way too many “responsible” gun owners just seem to be looking for any excuse at all to shoot someone and it’s chilling.
It's not the fact that your former coworker sat on the porch with a gun that really bothers me (it is still problematic), it's the fact that he thought at some point he had the right to shoot and kill a complete stranger solely based on his suspicion.
Report him to management. The next person he points a gun at could be you or your coworkers.😬
What you didn't ask is the crime rate in his neighborhood. How many homes have been broken into, items stolen, assaults committed? Those are facts, not your feelings on whether he was justified.
@@1guysopinion798 he sat by his window waiting for a opportunity to shoot someone based on a suspicion. Did you even read his comment you ass 😂
@@1guysopinion798 Truly the American way, always find an irrational fear to justify one violence because that way one can maintain the illusion/delusion that they’re still a “good Christian “ after the unjustified violence.
When i was a kid i can't begin to count the number of times an errant ball went into a neighbor's yard. When i went to retrieve the ball the neighbor might have been annoyed, but the worst thing that ever happened was getting "you kids get off my lawn" yelled at me. Nowadays people get shot for just going to get a ball. Something is seriously wrong with this country.
It's the fluoride...LOL
@@pauladufour7594 chemtrails...
It's the fear, division and impending sense of doom which is the current vibe of the nation.
@@pauladufour7594 The less TEETH these folks have the more guns they own.
@@pauladufour7594 Lead. Look into the symptoms of cumulative atmospheric lead poisoning. the rage and utter stupidity americans are renowned for fits perfectly.
Imagine believing you have the right to shoot someone ringing your doorbell.
We have many guns in our home, never once have I felt the need to pull a gun on a person at the door. There was even times we had a rifle near the door.
Uh, the second amendment does not give ANYONE the right to murder people.
The second amendment is NOT and NEVER has been a murder defense.
@nil981 too bad it's being used like one...
Only evil people like you imagines something like that.
@Oh_Ok0 it's not lamo. Do you live even here? You probably don't a make wild claims like this. This rarely happens, its highly frowed upon on, and it's illegal. But keep living in la la land and take your basic rights away and let the goverment tample you.
Does anyone remember the Japanese university student who was looking for a Halloween party. He knocked on the wrong door; a woman answered and then screamed. Her husband grabbed a gun and shot the student. Student died.
that's what happens when people aren't educated in when to shoot and when not to shoot.
Her husband is not her husband anymore. He is now someone's bich.
That's Texas for you.
@@joesmith-t2z Louisiana*
@@user-mn8lz7gf6dThose are the people who don't take firearm classes like the rest of us did. They probably bought it, barely take it out to stay proficient , never learned gun safety. They didn't learn that being a gun owner requires being levelheaded and your ego needs to be in check when dealing with others. I was taught to avoid unnecessary situations, to flee first and then call 911 because using a gun is the last option. One where you are unable to flee and imminent danger is present.
This "Stand Yoru Ground" madness has even extended out of the home in some circumstances. There was recently a man acquitted in Florida who shot and killed another man in a movie theater. The man who was killed had been in the theater watching a movie. When the film ended he left the theater but inadvertently left his cell phone in the seat. On his way home he realized that he left his phone there and returned to retrieve it. By this time another film was playing in the same theater and another man was sitting in the seat formally occupied by the first man. The first man asked the current occupant of the seat if he could look for the cell phone he left behind and the man refused. They got into a verbal argument and the man from the earlier film threw some popcorn on the man now occupying the seat. The man in the seat pulled out a pistol that he had in his jacket and shot the first man dead right there in the movie theater with a packed house of other patrons. He was brought to trial but found not guilty due to "stand your ground". I'm not sure about others but I know that I don't want to live in a country where a. people bring firearms into theaters b. are allowed to fire said firearms in theaters without any regard for the safety of the other patrons and c. ending another human's life because of a minor tiff, where no bodily harm occurred, or was even threatened, can be justified.
This. Scares the %^&* out of me when I hear some referring to guns as an "equalizer". I'm 6'5 and 210lbs and wherever I go have never felt a need to own or carry a gun. But some twitchy %^&* could end my life in an interaction with me because they "feel" threatened. Who's the snowflake now?
@@jeepwran You don't have to worry if you aren't the type to be attacking people. Your far more likely, if you are ever murdered, to be the victim of a violent person that some soft on crime law (ie soft on crime politicians) or some soft on crime judge refused to send to prison
And what's worse is that I'm sure some people would dare to blame the victim with lame excuses such as "he should have kept his phone in his pockets", as if shooting someone would be the normal and acceptable reaction.
Now imagine being a 6’ 2”, well built black man…an unacknowldged fear comes with many folks that happen to occupy the space that you dare tread. That ‘equalizer’, even if you’re just walking is in many scared American’s hands waiting for you.
This sounds suspiciously like the Michael Drejka incident a few years back where he decided to tell people where to park. The boyfriend of the woman in the car came out, gave Drejka a small shove, Drejka fell on his posterior, pulled his gun, fired it and hit the boyfriend in the chest. The boyfriend rertreated back into the store where he collapsed and ultimately died.
I only ever hear about the "stand your ground" laws when it comes to gun violence towards innocent people--but I am curious how it may be applied when it comes to people fighting their abusers (common example: a woman killing her abusive husband, or an assailant). Given how survivors are treated, and many women and AFAB people who use self defense are imprisoned for fighting their abusers...I doubt it would go well.
Just some food for thought though.
It’s almost always white men using the self defense argument and usually against people of color, whereas the abuse victims are typically women, who don’t matter as much as men. Your success seems to depend on where you fall in the status quo in relation to your “victim.”
not only do women get imprisoned for defending themselves more often, but they also get imprisoned longer. men are sentenced to two to six years in prison on average for murdering a female partner (regardless of if it's self defense), but when women kill their male partners (often in self-defense) they get an average of 15 years, according to the ACLU. absolutely boggles my mind how this can happen and yet we watch murderers walk free because someone was loitering somewhere and it "scared them."
They probably would not be freed as easily as the poor white man who was scared for his life by the black delivery pizza guy.
Most bi-racial crime the white person is the victim
for some reason they never talk about gun usage that goes right. happens every day, has saved countless people, and is not talked about at all. news only sells when someone dies ig
As the owner and estimator of a residential painting business in TX, I'm absolutely terrified at the thought of arriving at the wrong house for an estimate. Being Mexican doesn't help much either.
Because of these few incidents? These are very rare. You have a far greater chance of dying in an auto accident on the way to your customer's house than (A) getting the wrong address and (B) having the person there shooting you.
@@Anon54387 i don't know if you've ever worked in the service industry, but his concerns are justified. It isn't as rare as you are saying. The shooting deaths for going to the wrong house might be, but first, do you really want to take the chance that you will be the next? And second, there are a lot of other things that happen to us, like people spitting on us, calling the cops on us, threatening and getting physical with us, letting their dogs out on us on purpose. I've had people show their guns as evidence that they were armed, and they didn't have to say a word, I knew that meant "turn around and leave."
I don't know what your background is, but maybe you don't have to worry about it. I'm in hundreds of homes and businesses every month and have had to deal with a lot of crazy people. People like the three examples in the video are not sane people. You can't take the chance that you won't be next, especially if you have family or a business depending on you.
Move to California, much better than Texas in every way. And at the rate people are leaving it's getting more affordable by the day!!!! SO MUCH PROGRESS!!!
@@darkgardener9577 I moved here from Irvine California where I lived for about 5 years. Before that I lived in Vancouver, Canada. I'm a social democrat, and have spent a lot time in Scandinavian countries where I love to visit as often as possible. Texas is a complete joke. The only reason I live here is because it's sooooo much cheaper and was able to buy a house cash that much bigger and better than anything I could afford back in California or Canada. However, my wife and I are debating whether to sell the house and move back to Canada or go to Europe, even if we have to live in an apartment, but at least we wouldn't have to deal with the right wing insanity.
@@therealkakitron please don't move anywhere near central/eastern europe.
My father-in-law is growing old and one day he had an episode in which he seemed to be living a dream, as if he was asleep while walking around, he didn't recognize his own wife nor his home, he said it felt like it wasn't his home but it only looked like it. After this episode my mother-in-law filed a request to have his guns removed and given to one of his sons, it was ratified by the courts too. Everyone agrees that he shouldn't have a gun, he could stop recognizing anyone and "feel threatened" and start shooting at his own wife, needless to say he also lost his driver's license because he can't see nor hear well enough to drive either.
Regulations are absolutely necessary to keep us safe, but since our own governor is a Christian nationalist himself, I doubt he will ever do anything to protect us from gun violence.
If he's done it even once, why are you waiting for a court order?
@@anticarrrot nobody's waiting for anything, it's already done. He has no guns.
There's already a process to handle situations like this: it's called court adjudication.
Also, most forms of proposed firearms regulations would be unenforceable without a comprehensive national firearms registration system.
Which has been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in the past and has historically always led to mass confiscations which then led to eventual atrocities being committed against the population.
@@nil981 why do we need registration and insurance for our cars, but not for deadly weapons that were designed specifically for killing other human beings?
It sounds to me like we need a constitutional amendment to allow a comprehensive gun registry.
@@happyraver1958I’m against registering cars as well
Statistically speaking, denying guns to people with a history of domestic assault would go a LOOONG way
Right. If they will maim a person they (theoretically) love more than most anybody in the world, what does that say for them handling situations with people they may not even know?
technically they do but for obvious reasons it's very easy to get a hold of a gun by other methods
This is already a thing...
@@zshadowsIt runs much deeper than that. The bigger concern is that people who commit domestic violence tend to be petty, egotistical, and respond extremely poorly to perceived slights, 3 traits also extremely common among murderers
statistically, not letting violent felons walk free would do a lot more.
When I studied martial arts, my teacher told me about the Philosophy of Force. "When someone confronts you threateningly, your only goal should be to escape the situation using the least amount of force possible. First you Talk. Then you Walk. Then you Run. If none of those resolve the situation, only THEN do you Fight. The duty of those who possess the power to harm others is to avoid using that power at all costs." Anyone who uses force as a first resort is someone not fit to live in society.
Excellent thinking. So the order of events would be: Diplomacy/talk, Flight, and the last resort of Fight. I love this. Thanks.
Same here. My first Karate class 1973, the instructor began by explaining that your first defense is avoiding the trouble to begin with.
Or as Mr miyagi said in cobra kai: no be there
unfortunately being unreasonable/callous is the new normal.
@@user-mn8lz7gf6d That can be solved by putting ppl like that in the ground or in an urn.
Fun fact. The guy in charge of the fort at the FAR END of the Oregon Trail, been there for years, was so diplomatic he was able to keep peace with the 7 nationalities in the fort, the Spanish, the Russians, the several native tribes in the area, and the Americans! The fort never fired a shot in anger during his tenure. Look him up. Dr. John McLaughlin, Father of Oregon.
Not exactly a gun slinging cowboy.
A person who knew how to use their words!? That's crazy
....and thats what these pudding brained gun fetishist seem to be unable to process. This fuck brained ahistorical idea of everyone in the 19th and 18th century carrying everywhere they went wasn't actually a thing. Outposts, forts, and new settlements, etc al would confiscate any firearms you had on you before entering, never-ending that whole thing where they purposely misread what the 2nd amendment actually says
The mountain named for him is just to the West of me. I'm looking at it now. Climbed it several times over the years.
@@gregvetter5070 My several greats uncle.
Through his half breed wife.
Literal goosebumps hearing those opening stories. That's crazy. I can't for the life of me imagine how you could get gunned down for being at a wrong address...
I can’t imagine how you became poultry either.
They weren't gunned down for being at the wrong address, they were gunned down for being black
@@The.QuasiOG whatever makes you feel good
@@Hornet135 Raindrops on roses, whiskers on kittens, bright copper kettles, warm woolen mittens, brown paper packages tied up with strings
@@The.QuasiOG Why not mention all the black on white crime, where the victims were little kids out riding their bikes or went to pick up a ball which went into the wrong yard?
Australian here: the gin reforms of the 1990s were passed by the Howard Government, a very conservative, neo-liberal administration. To this day, their actions in response to the Port Arthur Massacre remain one of the few issues that almost all Australians agree upon. It was a good decision and we are a safer country for it.
Amazing
Yea you're well controlled and easily manipulated in Oz. True sheep.
@@CuchulainADPS don’t worry too much. There’s still plenty of guns in Australia. We just don’t fetishise them like you do. We recognise their use as dangerous tools rather than as penile extensions/ substitutions.
@@philbydee And I bet everyone in Australia who owns a gun is a better shot than most of the bozos over here in the States flailing their arms and screaming about the government coming to take their guns away. It's amazing how smart they think they are when they cannot even comprehend the context in which the US Constitution was originally written plays a significant role in how it should be interpreted. Not to mention a million other things I could bring up... More and more, the thought of getting a passport & visa seems less daunting by the day...
@@CuchulainADyou don't think you are in the U.S? 😂😂😂😂😂
I genuinely cant wrap my head around how a black kid in a hoodie walking down the street can scare someone so much that said person can legally shoot the kid but a woman (in many of those very same states) can be told by her doctor that her pregnancy is not viable and will most likely kill her, is not allowed to "stand her ground" and terminate the pregnancy.
Am I the only one who sees this as just absolute bat shit crazy?
Republicans, religion, hypocrisy, and their obsession to punish.
Agency and control over your own body should be sacrosanct. The right to not be shot because someone else judges that you 'might' commit a crime at some point should be equally sacrosanct.
What if the gun industry purposefully sells to those who are unwell to further encourage people to buy more guns whenever a unwell person decides to shoot someone? It just sounds like a very possible thing they could be doing ngl
The Fake self righteousness bought by voting against the persons right over themselves, is thought a ticket to heaven. Love your neighbor as yourself and we all wouldn't be in this situation.
Sadly, we are under the authority of shamelessly power hungry people who will do whatever they can to quench their never ending greed not including constantly fanning the fear and anger of their own base to keep them voting for them election after election.
I visited america for the first time recently. My first night, I was walking and witnessed someone break into a car. All I could think about was myself. What if they're armed and hurt me if I try to get a look at their face to report it? So I just stared forward and kept walking. It felt horrible to be a bystander like that, and I dont think I would have if I wasn't afraid of the threat of firearms. America has so many problems and I dont think they truly realise how bad it is.
The biggest problem is that many of us in the states *are* aware of the many issues surrounding us, but feel so powerless to do anything about it. Especially with how violent a response we've been met with whenever we take to the streets to protest. Exercising our right to protest is absolutely vital and it *should* be safe, but instead we're met with tear gas, riot shields, and unrelenting police brutality.
@@kazeboiii the unfortunate truth. We think we're fighting each other but in reality polling shows wide agreement, but without the money we can't compete.
You shouldn't snitch anyway
@@tankiegirl No you definitely should, or finish the job yourself.
@@kazeboiii This is another reason as to why the people carry weapons
Swiss Citizen here. We have in Switzerland percentage wise almost the same amount of weapons in private hands as Americans. But we have very few gun crimes in general. No school shootings or anything. You know why? Because we treat each other with respect and compassion.
I also bet that you, in Switzerland, don't coddle violent criminals. We certainly do in the USA, especially in states like mine. It is a rare homicide in California that doesn't end with the reporter saying and the suspect has a long history of violent crime. But the answer of the state government is never to keep those who've proved themselves capable of wanton violence behind bars for the safety of the rest of us, rather they always pass more gun control laws. If they were really, as they claim they are, interested in public safety they'd not let tens of thousands of violent people run loose on the streets.
In 1774 250 years ago England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!! Attempted gun confiscation by 8-900 English soldiers in Mass. on April 19-1775 started that 8-year war for American independence (1775-1783) & England almost won that war!! England came back in 1812-1815!!
Yeah it's probably also a mindset thing. Isn't Switzlerand one of those countries rated with highest happiness or something? A lot of shooters have some form of mental issue whether that be trauma or mental illness or whatever but if that happen less, the same result happens: less gun crime if there's no motive.
@@mariustan9275 it's not a mental health issue if that's what you're getting at.
The entire planet has a mental health crisis.
It’s just weird anyway, and I’m American.
I can understand people having 1 gun, I can’t understand people having an arsenal in their houses.
My friend was shot at while driving down the wrong drive way by mistake. No one was hurt thank goodness! It went to trial, but the judge declared a mistrial. She and her family did not want to pursue the case again as it was very draining on them emotionally. So he got away with it.
My friend was black and her son was with her. The shooter was white.
@@Furnominal Why am I not surprised
@@Furnominal Who cares. Anyone, regardless of race, who acts violently towards another person except in self defense, should be arrested. I believe guns are necessary, but abuse should be penalized to fit the seriousness of the crime.
@@Furnominal so what?
@@scottwalker6897 Just goes along with this video.. That’s all. Adding some comments to help out Leeja. If you got a problem with it, move on. Buh-bye!
I just cannot understand the thought process behind shooting someone, who just knocked on your door, without warning, without hearing who they are or anything. How in gods name is that perceived as a "threat"? Reminds me of the guy that threatened a little girl who was selling cookies and the guy started telling her that next time she rang the doorbell, he'd shoot her.
Absolutely insane.
You left out shooting someone through a locked front door.
It's called racism.
@@travelingjohn69 It's called great targeting.
A lot of people have been killed by kids in bigger cities,gangs use them all the time.
There was a recent story in the news about a lady "shot while knocking." In actuality, She was trying to kick down the door.
How ironic that the framers of the Constitution were largely secularists. Hence separation of church and state.
I was thinking along the same lines. Some of the Founding Fathers appear to have been Deists, espousing an interesting combination of Rationalism and Gnosticism. Bible thumpers they were not!
Yup. They didn't put that 1st Amendment in there for kicks. Jefferson (perhaps the most revered of the Founding Fathers) was particularly adamant as to the importance of a WALL between Church and State. But right-wing special interest groups cherry-pick their Constitution the same way the cherry-pick their Bible, and they've spent an inordinate amount of money on buying politicians and judges to ensure that their perceived rights are _de facto_ enshrined in law (even though they are a small minority). There is no way the Americans who penned that document could ever have conceived of the state the nation finds itself today, and they would be profoundly horrified at how far things have strayed, and how their words have been interpreted in what is, in many ways, a completely different world to the one in which they lived.
Not true.... Most of the framers of the Constitution were Protestants and a few were Diests. Not a single framer of the Constitution was a secularists. They believed in either God, or the possibility of a god! The idea of the separation of Church and State is that the Government may not establish a state religion (state religions include the Church of England in England, Islam in Muslim countries, and Judaism in Israel). The separation of church and state does not mean that you can't have religious observances (prayer breakfasts, holidays, etc.).
@@jasonpenn5476 Exactly. There is no separation of church and state but there is no respecting an establishment or denomination of religion and that is not the same as a separation with no faith or God as we see faith and God not only on our monuments but also on our money and in the documents of the founders themselves.
@@jasonpenn5476 No, it's true. Secularist doesn't mean atheist. It means one who advocates separation of the state from religious institutions. So there are secular Muslims and Jews and many, MANY secular Christians, who believe in a god and worship that god, while working to ensure that government does not interfere with or influence religious practise and that religion isn't used to influence or interfere with government policy. The initial founding of America's colonies was done by people fleeing a nation where the government was intensely involved in religion, and so they understood the value of keeping the institutions apart.
My mother is so terrified of getting followed in her car and shot because of road rage (a rare but still existant occurrence) that she’ll drive around the neighborhood for almost 30 minutes sometimes if it looks like someone’s following her. Absolute madness in this country.
I can only hope you're exaggerating. If not your mom needs mental help. That is by no measure a reasonable reaction.
@@DirtyRobohobo Unfortunately in the area she lives, it’s not an incredible stretch to think that someone following her after she cut them off (accidentally ofc) or drove to slowly in front of could be ready to shoot someone :/ obviously she doesn’t drive 30 minutes every time but she’ll go till at least she knows they’re not following her
What's crazy is I'd help her learn to shoot but also get her to install a rearview camera so that she can report them to the police.
What a surprise, the damage being done in this decade starting 50 years ago, the 70s seem to be the starting point for a lot of the worlds problems today
Yep, and perhaps not 'coincidentally' it was also the start of the push for women's rights and minority rights, driving many folks of the 'white male' persuasion to _overcompensate_ (aka, the popular myth of acts of heroism by the 'good guy with a gun'). And 'fer sure it's also tied up w/ 'evangelicals', as we see on all the TH-cam channels not just about gun info., but also advocating for "God, Family, and Guns"!
Reagan. Period.
I was going to say Reagan too. Between trickle down (ie Fuck those who need help), unions busting (give even more power to the employers), ignore "the gay disease" (until your friend dies, Rock Hudson) and let it spread for 4+ yrs unchecked. I truly think Reagan was the most evil president we've had in my lifetime. Never mind Iran-contra, welfare queens (that didn't exist), etc. Trump was bad, but he's an incompetent grifter, but Reagan and the 80's were the beginning of this crappy spiral that we've been in. The screw everyone, stomp them down if it helps you get ahead, etc, etc. Thanks Reagan, oh and don't forget mass incarceration and the war on drugs... I don't believe in hell , but if I did I hope he and Nancy have adjacent cells so they can still talk to each other...
The start of the problems was when the Dr. Spock generation of Moronic Psychologists that decided that spanking kids was bad, putting them in the corner and talking nice to them ,that was good
didn't hurt their little feelings and didn't teach anything to them either .about paying for the consciences of their actions when you screw up,
Then some dumb shit decided no child left behind would be a good thing, so That generation of morons not only didn't discipline children or make them get an education either
, so now we have Proud boys and three percenters and bull crap like that
@@mattdonlan7745it started with Nixon actually. He was super incompetent though so Reagan had to come in later to see his vision of destroying the country through.
Since I moved out to a more rural area, the service people that come to my house are extremely cautious. The water guy knocked on my door to warn me he was going to work on my tank, and in his words said "so please don't shoot me!" He was trying to make light of it but god, what kind of insane world are we living in?
The world in WHiCH politicians JUDGES prosecutors put criminals back on the street no MATTER WHAT they do.
¿The USA? This is not a universal fear...
I lived in a rural area and the electric meter reader used to use a spotting scope to read people's meters rather than approach very closely. A spotting scope is a telescope of a type favored by target shooters, that can give you a very clear, magnified view from maybe 30-100 meters away.
I live in Kansas, this never happens.
If that's true, it's recent. I lived in outstate MN and outstate AZ most of my life, and never worried about being shot by my neighbors. The Border Patrol, maybe. Some of them are trigger happy idiots. But not my neighbors.
The story about the car one really hit me. It made me think of this time that i was in high school. I was with my then boyfriend at a convenience store while his dad waited for us in the car. We came back outside and were laughing and talking when we accidently got in the wrong car with this mom and daughter. Of course, they freaked out. We apologize repeatedly and got the fuck out of there as quickly as possible. While i understand completely why that would scare the shit out of someone, no one deserves to be killed over something like that
Edit: typo
Yeah the girls even got out and went into another car. This guy chased them.
I did it once. The guy was annoyed and said: Hey, I;m not a taxi! I started laughing, explained it and we had a good laugh about it.
A lot of people in the US have this notion that any slight deserves death. Just in the last few days the story of a homeless man being choked to death because of a verbal argument has gotten the defense of a lot of people as being justified. We really are a sick nation
that car incident also happened to me. the car is exactly the same as mine. same brand and color. but when i sat down and looked inside the car, there i noticed i entered someone's car.
I've had strangers unintentionally get in my car and enter my house. None of these episodes "scared the shit" out of me. People make mistakes, accidents happen. Chill the fuck out. What is wrong with a nation that is so constantly on fear alert? Maybe its because they remember that they are a people who got where they are by stealing the nation from its original inhabitants, by kidnapping people to build the nation through slavery, that never misses a chance to intimidate and infiltrate other countries, that marginalized every immigrant who ever came to it. Only such amoral people could have perpetual fear that everyone else is even more amoral.
I would like to point out that the United States already does have a sort of pseudo licensing system which has more strict requirements in every state to own and carry a gun than to drive. In order to buy a new firearm, a person is required to take a background check and anyone with any significant criminal history or history of mental health issues, even people with a legal marijuana prescription, are prohibited from purchasing firearms, forever. And in most states in order to concealed carry a firearm, a person does have to get a license with restrictions on that license that vary by state.
I used to do DoorDash just before the Covid pandemic and would have to go to people's doors pretty constantly. There were more than a few times something happened that made me weary about my own safety doing a simple food delivery that would only take 30 seconds. 4 years later I hear these stories and can't fathom how they are real. I'm also glad I don't do DoorDash anymore. The thing that bothers me so much when it comes to "I was in fear of my life" and killing someone in self defense is this: a teenage girl/cheerleader opened your car door by accident, then (likely apologized) and backed away. You follow them and kill them and claim it's a self defense because of stand your ground and fear for your life. I just don't get that.
To many Americans identify their self with their stuff. And there is nothing more materialistic than an American Christian. They long sense gave up on anything deeper than the superficial and they fear any slight. Pathetic.
Of course he's going to plead stand your ground but the jury will convict because the fact is went after her after she retreated.
At least during Covid, you had contactless deliveries. Drop the bag and run.
I'm surprised the uniform for delivery people dosn't include Level 4 body armor and a kevlar helmet.
@@HectorGonzalez-fz6ws If the state in question has a "stand your ground" law, there is usually not a duty to retreat. If the jury can be convinced that the assailant at any point "felt threatened", then they can chase and pursue if they like.
As a Canadian, the frightening aspect of all this is that the American attitude toward guns has crept across the border and infected the conservatives in this country. Never was this point more driven home to me than when watching a protest on Parliament Hill many years ago when a group of gun owners were demonstrating against a new piece of gun control legislation. One of the protestors actually maintained that it was his constitutional right to bear arms. Of course, it was not; there is nothing in the Canadian constitution that accords specific rights to citizen to own, carry, and use firearms of any sort. But this was an example of how the NRA--a vociferous opponent of Canadian gun control legislation--was pulling the strings of pro-gun organizations and lobby groups in Canada.
We now have the Conservative Party of Canada sounding more and more like the Republican Party in the US when it comes to guns and a citizen's rights to bear arms. In the past couple of decades the Conservatives have swung further and further to the right on this issue (and many others, unfortunately), to the extent that they have opposed any meaningful gun control legislation (and when in power actually weakened some of the laws already in place).
The fact that Canadians are exposed to so much American culture does not help matters. Guns permeate every aspect of American culture, be it film, TV, music, books, etc., and because Canadians are so exposed to that culture, it's little surprise that some of the same mindset is beginning to take root here.
In the United States there has and continues to be a glorification of the gun, and it has long been portrayed as the quintessential solution to almost any and all problems that might beset an individual, an institution, or a state. This idolatry of firearms has led to an almost semi-religious reverence of them, and at the same time has nurtured a decidedly cavalier treatment for devices whose inherent purpose is to maim and kill. Because of this, and because of how deeply entrenched in the American cultural zeitgeist the gun is, it seems unlikely that the issue of firearms-- and the far too many tragic outcomes that result from their--use will ever be resolved.
Americans may believe in God, but they believe in guns even more.
Why doesn't Prime Minister Trudeau give up his armed security?
@@bartdoo5757 Weren't you reading? Because a bunch of Canadian gun nuts have infected the country and don't like him.
@@bartdoo5757 why won’t the NRA allow guns at their convention?
Just admit you want to FVK a gun.
@Bart Doo just what has your sentence got to do with the piece your are trying to supposedly comment on as no matter what country, ANY Leader/Prime Minister/ President comes from they WILL have a security team as they ARE the Leader of THAT country at the time.
@@micheledix2616 Show me the stats on politicians getting shot and where they are higher than the general public. Why shouldn't people be able to protect themselves?
I seen a show where they interview addicts and drug dealers. A drug dealer said that having someone overdose is free advertising for them. It is sad to see that the same is for the gun industry too.
I live in the area that the girls were shot in. It was a terrifying event for our county, and even though I live about 30 minutes away I never do u-turns in parking lots or nearby houses anymore
Then there's the weatherman from today's news who was openly tweeting about having his gun loaded and ready cause a child knocked on his door.
It's shit like this that rules out me ever visiting the US. It's absolutely terrifying.
FAIR
Have you seen the so called children now. Teenage girl deciding to repeatedly stab a girl in school, a elementary student shooting his teacher in the classroom, kids asking on social media for help in disposing the dead girl he killed in his house. A group of teens who beat a old man to death and seemed to be enjoying it as they filmed it. We treating the criminals as victims and the victims as criminals. Recently a security guard shot and killed a shoplifting person who rushed at him with a knife. The DA the one who should be about the law. Because of the video showing it was in self defense apologized for not being able to convict the security guard
@@lostboy8084 crap like that has been happening forever. The difference is places like Faux News(entertainment) riling up their predominantly old white base so they are deathly afraid of anyone without crows feet, but the false equivalence starts at the sheer number of CHILDREN being shot on a daily basis compared to these few splattered stories you hear on repeat from people like you. If you have any questions GOOGLE some shit.
@@lostboy8084 you are definitely a lost boy
@@illuminova why would you say that
Living in the UK, I find it absolutely terrifying Americans walk round concealing guns
SAAAAAAME
Living in the US, I'm absolutely terrified at the idea of people walking around with knives and acid. Oh, and actually getting charged as a criminal if you defend yourself from someone breaking into your house doesn't sound too fun either.
@@lisettes.9598 People in the US get shot in their sleep, get shot while legally carrying, get shot playing with a nerf gun in an open carry state, get shot for having expired tags, get shot by children who find guns, and more. Your false equivalency fallacy ignores the magnitude of the gun problem, try again.
(Hint - I'm pro gun and pro smart gun ownership)
@@TH-camSupportSucks heart disease and cancer are the leading causes of death in the US. By over 5 hundred thousand plus more people a year than guns. Guns don't even make the top ten. Most of those in the top ten are preventable illnesses or unintentional accidents. Yet people aren't getting hysterical about stopping the root causes of those deaths. Yet the government is way more concerned about taking away our protections than actually keeping us healthy.
@@TH-camSupportSucks 1000%. Smart, reasonable gun regulation does not mean no one can own guns. It just means that, when a person goes through the process of obtaining a gun, they're trained on the proper use of it, register it, and are licensed to use it. It's not rocket science and this nonsensical fearmongering is just that.
I visited the US last winter, and I drove to a friend's house in semi-rural NH. I mixed up the (very similar looking) driveways, realized my error when the automatic lighting came on, and reversed out. I picked up my buddy, told him what had happened and joked that I didn't fancy getting shot for mixing up the house numbers. Doesn't seem that funny anymore
Where are you from? I'm getting British vibes
That shit doesn't happen anywhere in the United States. I have lived her for 46 years and the only place I have seen a gun is on a cop or in a gun range. The level of nonsensical fear portrayed buy the brain washing in Europe is fanatical. Women sure get raped there a lot and why not. It's not like women are able to get to tools to defend themselves.
What proportion of Americans do you think are paranoid schizophrenics? Texas is the ONLY state in the Union where trespassing on private property is a Felony, and people are sometimes shot for stepping upon private, or rented property.
I live in the country and have had people drive up my driveway from time to time. I've been more than happy to discuss where and what they were looking for to get them safely to their intended destination. Holding up an anecdotal case of a tragic encounter with some deranged homeowner doesn't represent all homeowners or give any credence to civilian disarmament.
@@erth2man You are correct. Thank you.
6:44 The 16th century, back when guns were rare, expensive, and could only fire one shot before needing at least half a minute to reload.
These sorts of topics are so fascinating but ima step out, as a Welsh person I just can never get over any example story about guns in the us. The casualness of the public to draw arms is crazy. Like lethal violence is so normalised beyond similar nations. I don't think I know a single person who would be able to just shoot at a person, especially without the other party drawing a weapon.
I feel like so much of it stems from our history and our media and its portrayal of guns. Manifest Destiny during the 1800’s basically gave people the right to go west to claim whatever land they could hold, and that meant stealing and defending it from the prior residents with firearms. Generations of Hollywood westerns featuring the noble white American cowboy defending his land from the “savages” and copaganda doesn’t help, but merely reinforces the idea that the gun was a necessary tool for building and defending the American empire. That ideology goes all the way down to the individual American that just wants to feel a touch of the power and agency that the system has robbed from them.
People from the US routinely defending the use of lethal force - using such grounds as ‘but they were a criminal’ or ‘they didn’t follow instructions’ or ‘they were later found to be armed’ or any number of things that seem to me a feeble justification for somebody needing to die.
@@oldvlognewtricks It's an absolute, blatant disregard for human life that I find very hard to stomach, myself.
@@kazeboiii Didn’t you hear? If you don’t immediately follow police instructions, or if you broke the law once, or if you happen to know someone who did those things… you are no longer really human, apparently 🙄
The culture in the US can be boiled down to a simple phrase: F*ck you, gimme mine!
It’s because of gun violence that my husband and I have seriously considered leaving the country. We have two kids, and we don’t believe we can count on their safety anymore. It breaks my heart that we can’t feel safe in our own country.
If Trump becomes president again, expect a mass exidis from America
@@gregmayoaussie Exodus? lol
Where exactly would you go? You are unlikely to get into Australia, here in Europe its much worse unless you are rich enough to own a castle and send your kids to Eton etc. So you're moving to Canada?
@@tobiasmccallum9697 where the hell in Europe are you?!
@@jp783 You understand the term "I'm going to wet you up?" Getting mugged at knifepoint in my country is as common as learning to ride a bike, it's just part of life for kids
The topic even baffles me, an American. I grew up with people who owned guns for hunting, but it wasn't an obsession with them. My grandfather owned hunting rifles, but he almost never talked about guns, never took the guns out and played with them, never talked about shooting people, etc. In fact, I think I saw the guns a grand total of two times and both times were when he was on his way to go on a hunting trip (deer, which he shot and then butchered himself for the meat). Otherwise, they were kept in a locked cabinet and they never came up. He just did not view them as anything other than a tool with which to kill animals for food, which I understand has its own ethical quandaries for some people, but it's definitely healthier than the people in our country who seem to revolve their entire lives around guns. Who seem to fantasize about getting to kill someone in "self-defense". It's horrifying.
Really, the only people I see orbiting this issue are anxious, meddling, busybody types. On a practical note, no _legit_ (emphasis on legit) gun owner wants to kill anyone.
It does seem like these gun nuts are just itching to be the next action hero. Too bad they can't separate fantasy from reality. I honestly hope that the sane gun owners like your grandpa will raise their voices and fight this issue.
@@Timboykee Exactly. This woman cherry picked the stories but she never mentioned the man at the shopping mall who was armed legally and was able to shoot an armed gunman who was engaged in creating his own mass murder story. Mr Dicken drew his pistol and put two bullets in the murderer at 40 yards distance saving the lives of countless shoppers that day. Now what would be the narrative if at each of these Mass Shootings a citizen was armed and able to end things at the beginning? This is why liberals want to prevent concealed Carry and maker more gun free zones. Gun Free Zones create areas where the only person armed will be the assailant creating a killing zone. The "Law abiding" will leave their guns outside or simply will refuse to shop there. The press will never interview the Concealed permit holder who would say that they could have stopped the mayhem but they chose to follow the law and people died because of it.
@@Timboykee Yet the mass shootings keep happening.
@@Timboykee I mean, that's so clearly not true. Clearly there ARE "legit" gun owners who do want to kill people. They literally talk about it all the time. They open carry in places like Target just to intimidate people. Multiple legal gun owners have shot people who just knocked on their door or pulled into their driveway. Obviously, it's a cultural problem.
I'm Australian, recently I had a parcel incorrectly delivered to my address, when I walked up the driveway of the correct address to deliver the parcel being shot was the furthest thing from my mind.
As an Australian you might never have thought being locked down for months would have happened, but it did...
I live in a high crime area, and I've walked packages that were incorrectly delivered to me to their proper address and have never feared getting shot
over 350million people in USA. As one of them, I also don't fear being shot. Tbh, I assume Im more likely to win the lottery, than I am likely to be shot, by walking up a driveway. Anti-USA propaganda seems to be working on you. The vast majority of us dont live in fear of murder. We live in fear of heart attacks and car accidents. Cell phone drivers scare me more than guns do. Sadly, I can't defend myself against the cars.
Guns were once banned in 1774 colonial America by England 250 years ago!! Then attempted gun confiscation on April 19 1775 by 8-900 English soldiers in Mass. started that 8-year war for American independence (1775-1783) & England almost won that war!!
I find it useful to replace words such as rights, freedom, and liberty with the word power.
It's always about power.
ETA: giving here in Canada it has always struck me how deeply religion has soaked into the American psyche. To the point that America itself has become a deity. It's disturbing, to say the least.
It's all about power? No. Maybe for you, though. Watch yourself, see if you desire power over others. What drives YOU.
@@whiskeymike7364 I'll have to ask: Can a person be free without power?
Well my friend how about you move to a country where it's 'leaders' on both sides of the aisle have murdered 4.5 MILLION people in the Middle East in the last few decades to profit the military industrial complex. Where the 'leaders' admittingly spy on the entire population. Where 25% of the worlds prison population exists, mostly for nonviolent crimes. Where the ATF has murdered women and children. Where it's tax collectors are being trained to use deadly force. Where soon half the country will be on psyche meds. Where government policies have turned our cities into Hunger Games style ghettos. How about you move to that country and then tell me that the population should not have a very serious ability to protect itself from the psychopaths in DC and the growing number of crazy pharma (or drug addicted) zombies.
We are supposed to now trust that these psychopathic mass murderers have our best interest in mind and are just wonderful people, who care for us and love us? Give up your guns America, it will be fine. Trust me it will all be much safer. Ignore the millions of kids we killed for profit.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/23/washington-dc-the-psychopath-capital-of-america-218892/
@@whiskeymike7364 There's power OVER and there's power TO. Admittedly, this distinction is one that Americans tend not to give a damn about.
America isn't a deity, it's more like a cult.
Does a woman have a right to defend herself against a potentially deadly pregnancy???
"Does a woman have a right...?"
Good question
nope
Definitely not if she wants to have a child. These anti medical people have been holding medical back.
There was a ruling a few weeks back in a Texas court that the provision in the ACA that requires all insurance to cover preventive care is somehow unconstitutional because jobs that offer medical were being forced to pay for birth control. They have been working on this for years. They couldn’t just make it so birth control wasn’t covered because of what someone’s boss “doesn’t believe in birth control “ they had to get rid of any preventative care. Insurance companies are evil as these religious nuts. They teamed up do do unimaginably evil 💩
Next will be the provision requiring preexisting conditions are covered. They have not liked being told they have to actually cover sick people as medical insurance.
@@cherylbrown-m4i yes.
@@thekalenichannel1812 Not in some states
In America, you are supposed to receive due process in the Courts and proportionate punishments. But citizens can summarily execute a person on suspicion of a property crime. Crazy!
Due process has never existed in America it is a myth.
Not to mention the militarized police becoming the judge, jury and executioner.
@@kathrynpupos9103 why we need the 2nd Amendment, especially if you're Black. You can't trust the police not courts for protection.
As a victim of gun violence myself, I can honestly say that I will give away every one of my guns when criminals stop using guns.
I don't mean to be asshole bro, I'm sorry you had ti be a victim of some shit like that, but taking guns from good people will not change the nature of criminals.. it's that plain and simple, and I'd prefer to protect my family in the most efficient way possible ya know
@@achaean7615 no worries; I'm with you. I'm essentially saying that fictional world I mentioned doesn't exist. And 'criminal' extends to government officials using the military and police.
@@achaean7615you live in a fantasy world
@@AdianPryde-qz5it how exactly?
@@achaean7615 crime stories are overblown in America to keep white people scared of non white people. And your fantasy always has a fantasy rape element where you watch your women violated. It is a fantasy world that doesn’t exist in Canada Europe Japan Australia New Zealand or the rest of the first world nations.
It's exactly what I expected. For us non-Americans it seems an insane idea that every member of the public is allowed to carry a gun. I live in Australia but am from Switzerland, which is often mentioned by pro-gun pundits as an example of a place where people are allowed to carry guns... yes they are, but only on their way from home to national service and back, so twice a year.
Where do you get the idea anyone can get a gun you can't get one if you can't pass a background check I will never forget the reporter showing us how easy it was to get a gun he failed the background check
Even so it's relatively easy for civilians to obtain the same types of firearms available in the US if they live in places like Italy, the Czech Republic, or Finland. However concealed carry isn't common outside the US. I believe the Czech Republic allows concealed carry as well as Andorra but I could be incorrect on that.
Concealed carry in the US is double edged sword as Leeja pointed out in the video using examples where people abused those laws and killed innocent people. However there's the other side as well which is when there a is a legitimate need for defense, especially against attackers who often have guns. In a good situation the police are maybe five minutes away, if you're like me and lived in a rural area they are twenty to thirty minutes away possibly. Most shootings are over in seconds. I've had had people try to open my door late at night, bodies have been left in the road sides with burned out cars to hide evidence of murder, road rage incidents crescendo into people brandishing guns both legal and illegal or outright shootings. Last month I drove to my wife's work to pick her up and ran across a shooting that had just happened, no one was hurt but there was a bullet hole in the windshield or a truck and police were pulling up to make a report, I don't know exactly what happened.
You can easily pass a background check for a weapon in the US as long as you don't have a prior criminal record or admit to having any mental state that could prove dangerous. One shooting in Texas was carried out by a former Air Force member who was dishonourably discharged and sent to military prison for domestic and child abuse. The military failed to provide his records to the FBI so he cleared a background check to buy a weapon directly from a gun shop, I'm guessing he was even surprised at that. He shot up his ex wife's church and then was shot and chased down a highway by two random guys in a truck, one had grabbed a rifle from his house when he saw what was happening. They ran the shooter off the road and then rather than be finished off by the two in the truck on cought by police he ended himself.
I say all this because I'm trying to give some perspective on the vicious cycle that causes a fair number of people to carry a handgun. It's similar to asking a villager in Somali, Sudan, or somewhere like that why they feel they need to carry an AK. It's not a good situation, and there are unfortunately tangible reasons to carry a firearm in the US and other parts of the world. Personally I'm looking for a safer place to live, going to try a different state first and if that doesn't work out I'll try to get a work visa or something to another country.
@@joshbonds3599 No I agree there I just believe you shouldn't lose your right s because criminals are breaking the law
@@joshbonds3599 to further your point, I read some research recently that a huge number (i forget the exact number that was quoted) of mass shootings are carried out by people who have a history of domestic violence because for some reason domestic violence just isn't treated as seriously I guess? And doesn't bar people from getting a gun? Even though so many gun murders are domestic violence situations? And that maybe, just maybe, we could curb a great deal of gun violence by barring all people with even suspected domestic violence in their background,. but of course so many gun rights advocates would HOWL over that......wonder why.....
@@joshbonds3599 I agree, the gun-carrying by itself doesn't explain the violence. It would be good to know what socioeconomic, psychological and historical factors were involved. Maybe some day someone will do a study. Maybe someone someday will survey 1000 people in areas of equivalent population density in the US and Scandinavia and comprehensively find out what is different about attitudes in those places. If the gun lobby doesn't stop it.
I'm so glad you brought up the romanticism surrounding guns... as long as I can remember a gun was always the solution presented by Hollywood. What this country has become disgusts me. A well done information video. Thank you Leeja.
Yet, gun lovers blame California and liberals for wanting to take away their guns.
A firearm is a tool and is dangerous and many like yourself have a phobia. Firearms and men have kept you free. Now call a cop to save you. They won't show up in time or at all, they don't have to. You are on your own except mommy helps with your panties huh...
Politicians are always surrounded by guns.
Even unlocks doors and padlocks!
Given some of the sheer vehemence for and against woke agendas in Hollywood, particularly popular culture, I'm actually starting to think that a good proportion of Americans can no longer differentiate between Reality and Hollywood bullshit! But then, a good proportion of Americans, can no longer differentiate between Reality and crap in the Bible!
In fact, I would postulate that for lots of Americans, Reality Itself is actually relative! And that you can make up your OWN Reality at will! AKA Insanity Rocks!
And before some "smart arse" tries to introduce Einstein's Relativity into this equation, sure... Reality may bend and shift between differing observers, only when the mutual speed between them is great, and / or the mutual differences in gravity are substantial! So no, Americans do NOT have the luxury of making up their own version of Reality! And if you actually believe that, and believe that whatever shite comes out of Hollywood is Real and thus Important, then you need psychiatric help! Immediately!!!
IF you are persuing someone you do NOT fear for your life. Stand your ground laws give murderers the license to kill.
Literally no one is defending the people mentioned at the beginning of this video. All of their actions were illegal, and of the dozens of gun owners I know, every last one of them would gladly see those people go to prison.
@@smileychessthe laws as they stand embolden killers to kill. That’s a fact. End of story. States where stand your ground goes into effect objectively see a rise in gun deaths. Sure, these psychos may go to jail for it because they still broke the law, but the law itself is what directly influences these people. They’re pleading not guilty for a reason, because they have enough reason and logic to think that they’re interpreting the law correctly. Those people are dead because one one thought they were legally entitled to kill them. That’s the issue, the fact that there is even a trial is the problem, killing people out of FEAR not out of THREAT
@bonglee66 - Can you? I spend a LOT of time around 2A advocates and gun owners. Misusing, mishandling, or illegally brandishing firearms is grounds to be shamed to the highest degree.
Stand your ground laws do not. Stop talking about topics you clearly don't understand.
@@smileychess
It's also illegal
4:23 how the hell does someone knocking on your door or accidentally getting in the wrong car AMOUNT TO DEADLY FORCE?!
Actually, what you said was pretty-much exactly what I expected: a lot of Americans think that they’re special (thanks to that narrative being spoon-fed to them forever), and acting like decent human beings and admitting when they’ve got something like this so wrong is way too hard for their exceptional egos to bear.
Don’t worry, we still love you - we’re just really concerned. ❤
@@thinkharder9332 I think that nit-picking over what the founding fathers (or the constitution) thought about firearms is completely irrelevant - they’re long gone. It’s 2023 FFS…America needs to have an honest discussion about itself TODAY, and reach a consensus about moving forward right now.
History doesn’t deserve a seat at the table in this discussion and needs to be left outside, as it allows the waters to become way too muddy for any progress to happen.
@@superflea72 if you don't learn from history, you'll repeat it.
@@aaronburdon221 lol, I couldn’t agree more…and all it takes is a brief look into America’s RECENT history to realise that they haven’t learned a goddamn thing from mass-shootings!
@@aaronburdon221 Then what about learning from the history of Germany in the 1930ies and kicking the Republican fascists to the curb?
You are on a damn slippery slope, and American exceptionalism is at the core of it all. You are not special, other than believing you are.
@@thinkharder9332Meh, cherry pick what you will, the document you speak of (would you happen to know what the other amendments are?) is over 2 centuries old and doesn't really take in to consideration the extreme efficiency of the "arms", or killing machines, that we Americans get boners about. So there's that.
I was in year 5 at school living in Tasmania when the Port Arthur massacre happened. It was only an hour away from where we were. I still remember it today. My year 5 teacher lost her best friend. It was felt by everyone. Getting rid of guns was the best thing they did.
I lost friends in a school shooting. I still pack heat to protect myself. I won't be a victim.
@@LeeQuessenberry
You would be.
You're not the exception just factory grade.
@@BlackStar-hy1iy Dude literally, what are you talking about? You don't make sense with your replies. I'm factory grade? Thanks!
I would be what? A victim? From what or whom?
@@LeeQuessenberry
You'll probably shoot yourself in the foot
A word on the Christian right tradition and another connection to guns and freedom. There was research done on how various Americans view, value and express the idea of 'Freedom'. Most groups consistently agreed on things like freedom of speech, thought, association, movement and autonomy. Freedom of religion, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure also rated highly. But then the researchers found a big schism. One group identified the right to organize and work together to affect social structures, that part of freedom was in community structures and having a government that responded to their requests. But there was another group that specifically disagreed with that. They wanted the freedom FROM government. And then another quirk came up with that group. They identified their own right to control OTHER PEOPLES RIGHTS as Freedom. The researchers were so curious about this that they visited some areas where these answers had popped up, in order to follow up and get details. When they talked to people in those communities, they discovered a strong tradition stressing "the taming of the west", "cleansing the land for Jesus" and so on. The idea of Manifest Destiny and Christian Nationalism, that America was given to a specific group of Christians who arrived on the shores to discover that it was already occupied. So they proceeded to cleanse the land of its occupants for Jesus. One of the paintings shown in this clip had an angelic figure floating above settlers moving Westward; it's an old tradition. The researchers were told that the settlers had been cleansing the land in the name of freedom, purifying it for Jesus, and that dominating the land and killing the people who had lived here WAS PART OF THEIR FREEDOM. When you hear right wingers talking about the second amendment and guns defending their 'freedom', remember that they might not be talking about 'freedom' with the same meaning that you THINK it has.
It's always the Christians
After everything and all this time, Christianity is like the comic book villain that keeps coming back 😂
This is interesting and terrifying all at once. I'm sure someone will cry that it's "not all Christians" the entire point of the religion is to conquer the world in the name of a god that would be absolutely appalled by the people who kiss his ass. It's completely insane. I'm so glad that the number of people who associate with a church is dwindling.
@@danielcrafter9349 It's the NATIONALISTS. "My God given rights!" When the Bible only tells us commandments...
This is why they say they need to "re-claim" America. I used to be an evangelical (born into it). I recall sermons and teachings on how we had to wipe out the Natives People because, like Israel in the Bible, we had to tear down the high places (aka the worship of other gods). And that if god called us to do it again (take out people who worship other gods) we must be ready to obey. (Other gods are any that aren't evangelical so this includes other Christians) We were also taught that the only "real" rights anyone has are the rights given by god in Scripture and all other rights were evil. Since America was a "Christian nation" only Christians should be allowed to rule it. Taking away other people's rights (or lives if necessary) was holy and righteous because it would be in pursuit of a godly state. It's wasn't taught all the time when I was growing up, but I heard it enough for it to worry me because I didn't want to fight or force people into things. But it was framed as "either we do it to them or they'll do it to us." So this study makes a lot of sense.
Me I don't care I'll keep my guns and I'm always ready to defend myself I'd rather shoot first and ask questions later in other words I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six so armed with the knowledge and tools I have I'm prepared to bust a cap
And people try to shame you for texting someone you are there instead of knocking on the door.
Great video! I’ve always wondered why people ignored the first half of the second amendment when trying to defend their right to own as many guns of any kind for any reason. I live just 3 miles from the mall where the mass shooting in Allen Texas occurred recently, and if it had been one week later, my wife and son could very easily have been shopping there. I guess as long as rich people can buy politicians the rest of us just need to stay in our homes with the lights off and our heads down. America!
As a non American, the idea that there are people who think owning a firearm is a right is mind boggling. Like I can't imagine where I am from, someone pushing the idea that owning a weapon of mass destruction is a "right" enshrined in the constitution.
Funnily enough they don't consider healthcare, affordable education and social security for the poor, things that actually better the lives of citizens, to be human rights!
Their believe is a gross misread of the 2nd. America's founders intended for states' militias to be the nation's defense. Today that would mean the National Guard of each state and D.C.
//weapon of mass destruction//
More people die to knives in the US than mass shootings.
I fear you lack perspective.
So when someone breaks in your home be "right" and not have a firearm. I'll have a shotgun. You can use your hands and we'll see who comes out better.
That's because we quite literally were formed as a frontier colony, there were no official law enforcement in most areas of our country so firearms were kinda necessary to keep the peace at first.
These days it's just as necessary for that as police response times aren't instantaneous, especially so in rural areas. There are places in the US where I wouldn't tread without a gun and those places won't be any safer without the prescence of firearms.
Though i do understand i have quite a bias for firearms as I have long had an interest of them. I have a fascination with firearms, I love to learn everything I can about them, to take them apart and put them back together and express myself in a way that I am truly passionate about.
We do have Healthcare to an extent, there are programs for free Healthcare if you're desperate but the quality is dubious, however there are also programs that can greatly lessen the cost for medical procedures. Public schooling is also free as well (besides paid lunches, reimbursement for broken school property like chromebooks, and sometimes field trips) but the quality of schools differs from district to district.
As for social security, there are programs for low income households as well, in fact the government spends quite a bit in offering lower cost apartments, EBT (card for food), disability, etc.
It's not exactly the best of quality at times but it is still a safety net that has helped my family when times were especially tough.
@@dougroyce5784- I hope you never shoot a loved one because you thought there was a burglar.
The sad fact is that for many in the US, guns have become a literal fetish. Now when I say "fetish" I am using the original meaning of "an item required for the performance of a religious/spiritual ritual."
In this case the religious ritual of "freedom".
For many on the right "freedom" is not a political concept, it is a religious sacrament that requires it's fetishes to complete, namely; The flag, the bible, the constitution, and the gun.
This is why the debate goes nowhere. For a lot of these people, guns are not a tool or a weapon, but a holy artifact.
Perhaps that's because some of us have read history and seen what happens to the citizenry when government is the only entity which has the guns. . .
🎯Dead on.
seeing it from this standpoint, actually makes sense, that is also why they get so angry. For them u are attacking their cult
My goodness. Had never considered this but that is a spot on assessment.
The real problem is Black on Black gun violence. It dwarfs any other kind. Yet it's not mentioned once in the comment section. How is that? Right wing nuts don't come close to committing the carnage in the inner cities. In Baltimore alone, 2000!!! dead in just six years. that's just one city, and Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, LA, DC...it so outnumbers any other type of gun violence. None of those Black guys consider the Bible, the flag, the Constitution...
Anyone who claims "you can't change the second amendment" clearly doesn't understand that last word.
Shall not be infringed
@blowinatranny Any amendment can be cancelled out. Case in point; Amendment 21, which cancels out Amendment 18.
@@thomasoates3003 so your trying to tell me your only example of an amendment used to repeal an amendment is one that gave the privilege now you're try to use that to justify not taking away a privilege but a right to keep and bear arms
@blowinatranny No, I'm using it to point out the opposite. Amendment 18 brought in Prohibition, Amendment 21 repealed it. Congress could repeal Amendent 2 tomorrow; it has the power to do so.
@@thomasoates3003 it's literally the only amendment that says shall not be infringed
Thank you. I’ve always wondered how forming a militia became “I can shoot you on my lawn”. So glad I live in Europe!
It hasn't and there's a better than 90% chance that all the perpetrators will be found guilty. But that will take two or three years and won't make the news. So as of now the cheerleader shooting suspect, Pedro Tello Rodriguez Jr., 25, has been charged with deadly conduct, a third-degree felony. The New York man has been charged with murder. And the 84 year old Andrew Lester will face charges of assault in the first degree and armed criminal action.
They always forget the first 3 words, a well regulated....
You do realize most places in the US don't have "stand your ground laws" right? Usually self defense tends to be judged differently in different states.
For example, in my state if you just shot somebody on your lawn and they happened to die then congrats! You've won a first class trip to a prison of the court's choice!
Shooting trespassers on land you owned or placing lethal boobytraps at the entrances of your home was legal in much of the US until the 1960s. "Trespassers will be shot" was a common warning sign on several properties when I was a kid. They meant it too. Only a Supreme Court case involving a Postal worker who found a lethal boobytrap when making a delivery ended that.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 USA has only 50 states so how is 38 states with stand your ground laws equal most places don't have "stand your ground laws"?
I’m a combat veteran and a gun owner. The *refusal* to take any substantive action to address this horror has me ready to emigrate…
You know what a war means. So do most Europeans. Most Americans don´t, except for veterans that you, but who listens to what you have to say...?
I think a lot of people just don't want to be held accountable. That's why they really don't want any kind of gun registration and required transfers of ownership. I think at least just that would cut down on some of the unregulated sales and straw purchases.
But people won't even agree to do something that simple. Finland has a system like that and a very strong firearms culture in which 1.5 million out of 5.5 million people own guns and have many of the AR and AKs available here with high capacity magazines. There's barely any violent crime, let alone gun crime. But all men ages 18 to 28 are required to serve up to one year in the defense force and those men 18 to 60 years old are all reservists with periodic remediation exercises and training. So there's probably a pretty different mindset there overall. More trust between each other and the government too.
@@joshbonds3599 I broadly agree - we want freedoms without the responsibilities associated with those freedoms. This is exacerbated by the hyper-individualistic culture we've become over the last several decades. No sense of community means no sense of responsibility to others.
But there are tons of other variables at play here, too. Political turmoil, wealth inequality, general economic hardship, lack of access to affordable childcare and healthcare, widespread disinformation / propaganda, etc. None of these things exists in a bubble; they're all interconnected and typically systemic. Which makes it hard to deal with any individual issue or create any significant improvements.
Emigrate to where? You can't take your guns
* immigrate
100% Leeja.
Beau of the Fifth Column did a lot of work around this idea as well, especially the (right-wing) fabricated cultural fantasy of gun ownership, the glorification of violence/those who propagate it, and the extremely toxic, forced intersection between masculinity and firearms. Problematically, there are so many firearms currently in the United States that even if we were to melt down a thousand a day it would take many hundreds of years for us to be rid of them (and that's assuming no new ones are produced and everyone is on board). I think we need to start with a hard, cultural shift around firearms and agree with introducing legislation that begins to tighten regulations, especially around their storage and use.
yea he also enslaved women. No love for human traffickers.
His guns playlist was very educational for someone (me) who doesn’t know a heck of a lot about guns.
@@Jane-oz7pphe got off easy on it too. dudes a fed. no clue why people listen to what that loser has to say.
All here is open the door even wider for government tyranny.
@@Jane-oz7pp what?
Australian here, constitution, heck most Aussies wouldn't have a clue what's in our constitution, and nobody is holding our founders up as gods. That's not to suggest even for a second that we don't love our country, we do, but the founders aren't gods, just people.
Stop to think about how ridiculous it is that most Aussies don't even know what is in the document that sets up your government. Sadly, an increasing percentage of Americans don't know what OURS means which is why people like Leeja, Type Ashton, Representative Jamie Raskin have convinced so many Americans that it isn't a right. If they were informed they wouldn't fall for that lie.
remember how much you love your government next time they lock you in your house of a virus. lol tickets for going to the beach.
Port Arthur was horrific. My brother was in the same class as one of the victims. She’d gone on holiday with her mum. Then there was Alannah and Madeline- they were hunted down! So yes! We were very keen to not have a repeat. And we haven’t. This is why Australians as a whole just don’t understand why America won’t do anything to stop it. Like ‘thoughts and prayers’ achieves anything! 💔
Viewed from the outside - from Australia - the situation in the US is utterly psychotic (and not just in terms of guns violence).
I'm an American who was at Port Arthur six months before, fortunately for me. And I agree that many Americans are absolutely nuts on gun issues. What can I say?
That was a Mos-sad and C.I.A. Operation to disarm it's Citizens , Wake up and stop drinking the cool aid .
C.i.a has been caught so many times using False flags , setting up crazy people with radical Ideologies , And enticing them to 'gun free zones" . Please stop being biased because of mainstream media blowing smoke up your arse .
And look at the Aussies now ? They are killing all of you slowly , you cannot even go down the street anymore before you are attacked by "men" and women with guns , Give me a Break .
@@danielcarroll3358 Yep yer Nutz !
Did you see all the Yemenis Children dead from the U.N. and the U.S.?
Yep we hired 12 year old boys from Darfur trained them gave them fully automatic weapons to fight on the front line in Yemen , so many dead Children , I guess that's called stand your Ground and give me your tax money to disarm you and get attack by who ?? .
HOWEVER WE NEED AMERICA TO GET RID OF YOUR GUNS , BORDERS OPENED AND RUSSIA AND CHINA IS GOING TO Attack , so lets hand in those firearms and bend over rover .👍
Good times , feeding emotional propaganda to make us soft and ready for the taking . I Love China , Good times .
B.T.W my Wife is very upset seeing so many weak willed Women .
She Loves her Glock's , Good Times .🙏
After one of the mass shootings, Chris Hayes on MSNBC made a passing description of all this gunplay as “sacrifices to Moloch.” Call me crazy (heck, I think it’s a crazy idea), but at this point maybe the young man was “on” to something…?
just found this channel and it's so grounding to hear someone say it out loud. i feel like i've been going insane the past 6 years.
You're insane if you actually listen to this lady.
Something I hear a lot from this side 😂
This woman is a coward and an idiot, go watch videos of people getting assaulted and murdered online, you'll see why I will never give up my weapons, it is the duty of strong men to protect themselves, their kin and their fellow citizens, do not try to take that from us, leave it to cowards to run for a fight.
You watch too much TV.
@@rebeccalindley153 me?
We are living under the tyranny of the past. All laws should be reviewed and updated regularly.
Thomas Jefferson himself said the constitution should be completely scrapped and rewritten every few years to prevent this.
As was said by the founding fathers, but people conveniently forget that
"We are living under the tyranny of the past." I love this. Well said.
We are living under the tyranny of the reinvention of the past. The 'originalists' invented that term to empower their personal, contemporary whims. That is why they ignore the past and rewrite laws to force their will on the majority.
Love what you said❤
I'm from Greece and I've been wondering this exact thing for a long while. I asked my father about it recently, and we had a conversation about it:
He believes the reason connects to why Americans also love dogs. It goes back ages, back to when the US was a new nation. Being so vast, most people lived in extremely rural areas, entirely alone with their families, where the closest neighboor could be 30 miles away. In those scenarios, the only things that could protect you were guns and dogs. There was no police, no government close, nothing. While in most places in Europe we were too preoccupied trying not to choke to death on chemicals inside gigantic cities, in the US even children carried guns and walked with dogs, because what else can protect you in an area with wild animals than people? This also connects with the general strong distrust towards authority and the government. It eventually created a "F you, I know better than you!" attitude. And combined with guns, it goes south FAST. So many Americans these days are living with a 1800's mentality.
Even if one lives in a town or city, if someone does attack you the police take minutes to arrive. For instance, an elderly man in my area had someone decades younger than he attempt to beat him to death with a piece of lumber. The only reason his attacker didn't succeed was that the senior citizen was carrying his pistol. Are you really saying he and the rest of us should be defenseless?
If you look at what governments do to people it is entirely logical that we distrust government and government power. That distrust is the very reason we have a Bill of Rights putting limits on government power.
In 1774 England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!1 Then attempted gun confiscation by 8-900 English soldiers on April 19 1775 in Mass. started that 8 year war (1775-1783) for American independence & England almost won that war & came back again in 1812-1815!!
@@Anon54387Frankly with American police and their history I don't blame you for thinking police are just as criminal as... well criminals.
A really eye-opening summation of the entrenched, greed-based justification of the right to bear as many arms as possible, the more deadly the better. Very well done.
The man who shot those cheer leaders was neither standing his ground nor defending his property, same as the guy who shot that girl in NY. If the person you are "defending" yourself against is fleeing from you, YOU ARE NOT DEFENDING YOURSELF! The man who shot that kid in the head wasn't standing his ground either. I've heard 2 stories about how this happened, if the kid was shot through a door, without making entry to the house, that man had no grounds to shoot him since his castle had not yet been invaded. If the other story is true, and that man opened his door to shoot, he still had no grounds to shoot because by opening the door, he was technically allowing the boy entry to his house.
You are right. And there should be regulation in place to make sure mentaly unstable people and people with bad character don't have access to these weapons.
Hold on a second. If I open my front door, that does not in any way give someone at the door "entry" to my house. It merely allows us to engage in a face-to-face conversation. I have to actively invite them in or If someone knocks on my door, I open the door, and they try to enter through me, they're going down as hard as I can put them down.
Aside from the part of the opening the door your are spot on with the rest, opening a door is not an invitation to enter. Sadly with the amount of guns and how easy they are to get there is going to be more mass shootings and school shootings as well as just random killings and such things. Every other free Country has dealt with this issue, yes we still have gun violence but with us it's rare in the U.S. it's a typical day.
@@arohk1579 you arw right. But you also can't shoot people loke that. Maybe asking what they want will clarify the situation.
I also doubt the guy immediately entered the house. People most say something like I'm here for my brother. The guy brought the gun to answer the door.
@@puclopuclik4108 I was referring only to the part with what if the guy has a knife. and even then there is no need to shoot. Shooting anyone without just cause is flat out murder. I live in Canada where if this happened you would be arrested for murder without a doubt. When I said the opening the door part I ment that unless you say come in it's not an automatic invitation to enter, but shooting a person for just ringing your bell, well then he should be charged and all weapons removed and banned from owning anymore, as should be the case with all of them.
"Scalia then cherry picked some political writing that backed up his opinion, just like I cherry picked academic writing that backs up my opinion..." That's definitely one of the top ten most honest and fair things I've ever heard on the internet. Kudos.
If you don't like that ruling, I suggest training your ire on DC and their laughably excessive regulations, which gave the court the case from which to render this decision.
I found that framing a bit odd. It seems to be another way to say, "Scalia searched and found evidence that supported his argument, just like I searched and found evidence that supported my argument." Isn't that actually how arguments are supposed to go? The problem in this case is that Scalia is in a bought-and-paid for Supreme Court, not that he cited the evidence that supported his position.
@@migueldemaria3830 Who bought and paid for the court? Documentation, please?
@@bigjared8946 Amen! Just like they have started to meddle in a woman's right to control her own body again.
@@olwill1 Cute. Maybe google Clarence Thomas and try to keep up.
The problem is that the criminal will always have access to weapons. No matter how restricted the law is.
When you want to ban guns, you are not disarming the criminal. You are disarming the victims.
In Europe, criminals also have access to weapons. Even when there have been gun shootings in Denmark and Sweden, people feel safe and if someone wants a weapon, you need training and a licence. The shootings have been between criminal gangs.
@@word20 Sure, people in France felt especially safe this summer.
@@gr4tisfactionyh people are afraid in switzerland where everyone has a gun 😂
But another problem is that in countries like the UK and Japan, both of which have strict gun laws, have much less gun violence.
Even if criminals disregard the law it's still harder to get guns when they aren't sold in a public store. They have to go locate an actual gun dealer, meet up, try not to get caught on the way, and then they have a weapon. Probably more steps but it's still more complicated than just buying one from a gun store.
@@mariustan9275 But there is yet another problem. What do you care about, the general level of violence or specifically the level of gun violence? If the murderer didn't have a gun and stabbed the victim with a kitchen knife, would it make you feel better? I assume that no. Therefore, it makes sense to talk about the general level of violence, and not any specific one. Moreover, in order not to exclude self-defense cases, it makes sense to consider only cases of aggression performed by criminals.
Surprisingly, there is absolutely no correlation between gun laws and crime rates. You know, there is such a country called Switzerland. It has some of the most permissive gun laws and one of the lowest crime rates. And yet there is Chicago, for example, with the opposite situation.
And yes, life in Japan is actually quite calm, which I would not say about the UK though, but this has less to do with their gun laws and more to do with their immigration policy.
Great presentation! As a gun owner and some times gun totter, I have no ties to the NRA because of their increasing radical positions.
They act on behalf of manufacturers by persuading gun owners their interests are aligned. Most collectors I know would probably prefer the NRA try to bring down the price of ammo than ensure everyone at coachella can open carry
I dont support them as they support gun control in back room so they can fund raise to fight it in front room, while most the money goes to pay for their lifestyles.
I had to stop wearing hoodies. I have a skin condition where i sunburn within a few minutes, so when going to fetch the mail at the end of the block, I need to cover up, usually I wear my hoodie with the hood up. As I walked to the mailbox, nextdoor app lit up talking about a suspicious guy in a hoodie, then i got swarmed by a bunch of neighbors in golf carts. Just absolutely karenesque nightmare scenario. I was just staying with my gf at the time.. funny thing is I’m extremely blindingly white and they still did this. Imagine being black in the same situation…
WTF is it about Hoodies...? Millions are sold every year , yet they must all be worn by only "criminals".....
I also have a friend that is CONVINCED that everyone wearing a backpack is a drug dealer as well...... WTF....???
I was at a sci fi convention where they made us "peace bond" our fake weapons so that we couldn't actually hurt ourselves or someone with them and there were people walking around outside the hotel with actual automatic weapons entirely legally. It was wild....
One thing I love about sci fi is we can trial run how we wish the law and society worked ^_^
Automatic weapons are not legal to carry concealed. Nice try, though. 😊
@@ThesmartestTem don’t be dense. Semi-automatic*
@@ThesmartestTem also he didn't say they where concealed.😂
In make believe land we make believe made some rules that compelled us to put our make believe weapons in a make believe place so we could be make believe safe.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The right to bear arms is a spelling error. They meant short sleeved shirts in hot weather. The right to bare arms
no it's bear arms.
I want my furry arms.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that in the 60's when The Black Panthers started arming themselves that then Governor Reagan was swift 2 implement gun laws in California
Same! I was thinking when she was talking about the NRA in the 60’s.
So helpful to have this whole narrative spelled out. I despise the NRA and the cherry picking of constitutional arguments, but I appreciate you laying out that there’s a lot more to it! Didn’t even know about the Hollywood-ification of the Wild West. Another great video!
EVERYBODY despises the NRA, especially us progun folk
They take pro-2a money and don't even *try* to challenge anything legally or pass anything to increase our rights
She got pretty much everyone wrong. Why appreciate it?
Please tell us what she got wrong
@@Drygon52 Well the claim they the idea that the 2nd protects an individual is new. The worrying is exactly the same "the right of the people" as in the 1st and 4th amendments so everyone assumed it was an individual right. This includes the supreme Court in
Dred Scot decision in 1857. The court said that of Black people had rights it would be impossible to deny them guns.
She also claimed that racism caused the "reasonable belief" standard to be adopted. At the time it was almost none of the prior it applied to would have ever seen a Black man. Englishmen rarely did when the common law was being formed. Want more? Oh right the idea that the founders only wanted guns available for the common good. Very windy considering the right applied to all agrees and both sexes and only 18-35 year old males served in the militia. Really if it wasn't a literal rewiring of the facts of Sam incident she got it wrong.
Also not one of the cases she listed had saying to do with stand your ground.
Reeeeeeeee
According to THE NEW YORK TIMES, four states - Tennessee, along with Arizona, Georgia and Virginia - enacted laws in 2010 that explicitly allows loaded guns in bars. Again: loaded guns carried by patrons in bars and restaurants serving alcohol is legal in parts of the USA.
Freedom, its delicious.
@@nashvegas4476 needing to carry a gun everywhere you go in your own country is the opposite of freedom. reflect on that.
@@nashvegas4476carrying gun to protect yourself feels awesome
@@robdoe5433 Exactly.
@@nashvegas4476 You're feasting on a lot of innocent dead bodies that BEFORE they were born ya'll supposedly cared so much about. We judge you all for very good reasons. Thinking what you wrote being some incredible and funny turn of a phrase is just one more iron the rest of us throw on the fire at this point and if that judgement makes you resentmentful... My answer is for you to live. That's all. Live... Another two, three, four decades. Squeeze the juices out of life. And then, while aged and surrounded by your loved ones and friends such as they are... Please shuffle off this mortal coil STILL being resentful that others thought your character, intelligence, judgement and morals were all trash. We all know that's what nearly every angle you guys take on every conceivable issue boils down to that anyway.
As a former Marine. I always like to point out that if guns make us safer, then why don't they just let the Marines have their guns on base and in the barracks?
Definitely not safe!
Lmao former mariner against guns actually sad
I doubt you'll see a lot of drive-by shootings and home invasions on a military base. Spousal abuse and maybe rape, but those are almost always between people who know each other, not strangers.
You’re a pog
Actually that was the case in the 70s. I was at Quantico and because I was married, I kept my M-14 at home. The only thing was that if you were married they didn't issue one with a selector switch.
Garage guns are a thing. "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things. That's insane."
My best friend in grade school and my maternal grandmother both died by gun "accidents."
At 61, almost 62 years old, I cannot stand guns, don't want one near me, have no desire to own one and wish they didn't exist. I've suffered quite enough from those freaking things.
Haha, glad those idiots checked themselves out of the gene pool. They either weren't acting safely or had poorly maintained or cheap ass guns.
The utter, literal INSANITY of this obsession with guns is beyond me. I swear half the people in this country are raving lunatics.
@@Serai3lunatics should not have access to "GUNS", Period,,,.
@@tneita3166 Seeing as how there's no way to know when someone will be subject to the stresses that snap a mind, a safer guideline would be "NO ONE should have access to guns, period." But of course sanity cannot be allowed to rule the day.
The gun is the symptom, not the cause, so it's not logical to have an aversion to all of them.
As a cold-blooded American, I was with you, right up until you mentioned Oregon Trail.
Then I died of dysentery. 😮💨
You win :-)
that brought back too much trauma- GODDAMIT EVERY TIME
As an Australian we also have to have a license to own and use guns and if you’re found to do things against that you’ll have your guns taken away by the authorities. It makes me feel really safe
Fellow Aussie and same. I got told recently that us Aussies are actually jealous of American freedoms. Like we're really not. "you're jealous you can't keep yourself safe" from what, crazed gunmen? Don't have that problem here buddy
@@katerrinah5442 yeah, what on earth do they possibly think we are jealous of? We're perfectly happy with things the way they are re: the gun situation here, thank you very much!
You always know somebody has no idea what is actually going on when they accuse you of being jealous of them.
@@philbydeeWhat y'all are describing is the bat shit lunacy gun-humping culture that has been allowed to be promoted in this country. The second amendment should have been repealed as soon as we had a full, standing military. I, personally, am envious of the swift and decisive action governments like yours and NZ took after mass shootings. We need legislators with balls here that will refuse to take money from the gun lobbyists and actually give a shit about what the citizens want. Public safety is just one of their responsibilities they consistently ignore.
Sincerely,
A jealous American.
@@philbydee One of the most disgusting things about Americans is that they have this incredibly stupid self-sucking belief that everyone in the world wants to be them. (Speaking as an American sick to death of HUAH jingo boys and girls.)
@@katerrinah5442as an American I think it’s the other way. I’m so jealous that Australia was able to reform gun laws and the statistics prove that gun reform is effective. Many Americans believe that owning a gun is so the government can’t become tyrannical. I always tell them that it made sense when the second amendment was written but nowadays if the us government becomes tyrannical they have access to drones and fighter jets like seriously how is a firearm suppose to counter a drone strike? I hate the second amendment and the bloodshed that it allows and nothing being done.
I think the key important difference between Australia and the U.S. is also time period.
At the time of Australia's Federation era you had John Stuart Mill, and his macro-ethical frameworks of rule utilitarianism.
This deeply influenced the idea of early Australian lawmakers not to see laws as if divinely inspired or crafted from some desire or contemplations of a categorical imperative, but rather at its core recognized the need for laws to be adapted, changed, and that humans are limited in aforethought as to time, place and resources--That humans are only human, and so are their laws.
So we have none of that 'Founding Fathers' stuff.
Hence why we also have no bill of rights, because the argument being that if laws cannot defend (or not stop) your responsibilities and rights on their own, they do not exist in praxis.
We also tend to view 'rights' as inseparable of intellectual duties.
You have the right to live in a democracy -> You have a duty to vote, failure to do so is failure to maintain a social contract underpinning democracy.
You have freedom of association -> You have a duty to recognize collective bargaining and not impinge the material wellbeing of others in expressing theirs.
It's a *very direct* form of rule utilitarianism, with a bit of neoplatonism and collective oneness of a society we (mostly) want to participate in.
This can have its darker aspects--Like why when politicians want top appeal to a voter's feelings, they'll use words like 'fair go', 'egalitarianism', etc with the assumption their policies embody it or circumventing structuralist critiques in favour with the *assumption* that things are fine as they are.
It tends to bias apathy or the status quo of relations (in that it's very, *very* difficult to understand personal inputs and collective wellbeing in any one moment), rather than making appeals to being the 'better angels of our nature' as your Abraham Lincoln put it so eloquently.
But given Australia's seemingly high resistance to the overt right wing reactionaries and 'prelapsarian'/'Clash of Civilizations'/'Liberal end-stage-ism' rhetoric that crops up in Europe, Japan, South Korea or the U.S. and more, maybe I shouldn't be complaining (and yes... I recognize the hypocrisy of this statement and the one above it) ...
In 1774 250 years ago England banned guns/gunpowder in colonial America!! Attempted gun confiscation by 8-900 English soldiers in Mass on April 19-1775 started that 8-year war (1775-1783) for American independence & England almost won that war!! England came back in 1812-1815!!
When I was a kid, the NRA was a pretty good organization, mostly teaching gun safety and catering to collectors. In 1975 I got a questionnaire from them: “We want to know your thoughts on gun rights.” It consisted of three “questions”: 1) True or False, the US Constitution says “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” 2) True or False, the Constitution is the law of the land. 3) I want to support the NRA with the following contribution…
The NRA is to The LEFT what Planned Parenthood is to The RIGHT A SCAPEGOAT Neither The NRA NOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD are BAD organizations but they are BOTH SCAPEGOATED because BOTH The LEFT AND The RIGHT believe they need a BOOGEYMAN to HATE The LEFT HATES The NRA despite the FACT that they support GUN SAFETY and The RIGHT HATES Planned Parenthood even though they do MORE than JUST ABORTION and have done MORE to REDUCE ABORTION than The RIGHT-Wing EVER has by giving people BIRTH CONTROL AND CONDOMS and SUPPORTING sex education that focuses on SAFE SEX instead of that ABSTINENCE BULLSHIT that MANY on the RIGHT SUPPORT ABSTINENCE education does NOT REDUCE ABORTION and MARRIED FEMALES can still get UNWANTED PREGNANCIES SIMPLY WAITING UNTIL MARRIAGE does NOT MAGICALLY PREVENT females from having UNWANTED PREGNANCIES That’s a TOTAL LIE and it should NOT be taught in schools These organizations are treated like bad organizations NOT because they ARE but because The LEFT and RIGHT ALWAYS WANT a BOOGEYMAN to HATE
Back then, my dad would read between the lines, and he taught me to question and research. 30 years later, he turned into a Fox/Sinclair parrot conspiracy theorist. I was so sad.
@@dolliscrawford280 😢
Defunding schools has certainly helped make sure many people's understanding of the Constitution begins and ends with that excerpt from the 2nd Amendment.
@@Galaar The OTHER amendments are POINTLESS without The 2nd Amendment because without The 2nd Amendment It would be MUCH EASIER for the government to VIOLATE the OTHER amendments
As an Australian of five decades I have never even seen a hangun or a semi automatic weapon in real life. And that's even after working with police officers in a police building for a few years. I'm glad to keep it that way.
Last night I went to watch a movie in Florida, and all the security guards in the theatre were carrying guns. And there was like 4 of them at least that I saw. Absolutely wild.
What about the guns you didn't see? 😂😅 1 in 10 adults in Florida have Concealed Carry Permits. There were a lot more guns than that.
Well, this is Florida. The guards were probably there to arrest anyone who cheered a gay character in the movie, or who suggested America kept slaves.
You know, anyone who disagreed with Dear Leader Ron
Why does this women not have her own network talk show?
She’s doing the research and lays out her show so well perfectly.
Her ending that’s simply stated clear things wrong, and drawing our quick empathy reminded me of something John Oliver would do.
I think we have more than enough partisan hacks in the media right now thank you very much.
I think your second line answers your first.
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person,” said Madison. this is the original authors first version of the second amendment before the government hacked it up
Even if that is true, it's irrelevant. The text that was voted on that eventually became the 2nd amendment (your so-called "hacked-up" version) is the only version that is legitimate. Drafts are often corrected or altered in order to achieve a consensus. You're portraying Madison as somehow divinely infallible or pure (a theme covered in the video). The fact that the final version differs from your alleged original draft should indicate to you that Madison's contemporaries and equals did not consider him so. Did Madison vote in favour of, or against, the text as it currently stands? That might also tell you something.
@@cottawalla You make some good points, except that both versions actually have the same basic meaning if you use good reading comprehension. The militias are comprised of individuals and individuals need to be able to own and operated weapons to protect. Same in both. The issue comes that others adaption of the original have left modern people confused, even though the meaning is basically the same. The original is context and context is everything!
@famseymour The final adopted version clearly says that States have the right to retain militias for the purpose of self defence, and to that end the federation of which it is a member shall not prevent the people of a state from bearing arms. State governments may, and do, legislate arms control, but not the federal government.
That's very different to the original draft, which effectively says that the people shall not be prevented from bearing arms, neither by the federal government nor any state government. It refers to country rather than state.
It was made for white men in particular during that time. It was not made for us black folks or even for women at the time. Now we all can legally and responsibly own firearms. The problem is lack of representation so anybody on this side of the fence automatically assumes the person who has guns is white, male, conservative, christian, bigoted and unhinged. Those people exist. Remember the Klan in Charlottesville or the Proud Boys? They don't represent the rest of us though. And I believe in protecting vulnerable people against such groups.
@@Chill-mm4pnAs a former 2A nut that conveniently ignored history is one of my biggest problems with the reich wing gun crowd tho, and I for one think it's a big part of what's standing in the way of 2A individual rights actually leading to a decent freedom preserving society the way they claim to want it to. I still believe there's a potential for armed responsible and respectable citizens to serve some kind of check and balance role like the crowd claims and you seem to try to fulfill from the sounds of it, but the turbo alt rightist militia chuds are certainly no help to our rights, they're a massive liability to them.
Always good to hear from gun owners that aren't rightist chuds tho. Love it or hate it gun ownership by minorities and liberals and leftists is one of the few actionable ways we can discourage the worst of the far rightist crowd, so they know it's not such a given that we'd be a "soft target" if they ever got the idea to actually try some shit.
My friends are pretty obesessed with their guns, and there's no way that I could ever feel that comfortable around them because it's like being near a huge factory machine that could kill you. Both you can be safe with if you're trained but even then, accidents happen. I feel like there's more chance of you getting screwed by having a gun than it actually coming in as a saving object (self-defense). Chances are your kid could somehow figure out the combo to your gun safe before anyone would break into your house.
The guns your friends own aren't going to jump out of the holster and shoot you themselves just like a machine in factory wont. You are more likely to kill a kid with your car than I am to kill a kid with my gun. you are a paranoid person who doesn't know a single thing about guns.
I mean, why do anything at that point, since everything seems to always go awry? Just wrap yourself in bubble wrap and hide in a corner.
I've known of two people in my life killed by guns. One was (probably) an accident. The other was a suicide. I know some kids who lost their cousin in Uvalde. I grew up with a gun in my home.
It's seriously frustrating that all these cowboy wannabes are the ones leading the narrative and making the gun laws in this country because most of the people with sense know there's a wide gulf between a total ban and the insane, laissez-faire deregulation going on now.
You do realize there are different type of safes right ? Also you should probably train your kid not tell them to never touch it. 😮💨 treat it like a stove
@@gaarxeriss9692 stoves aren't designed to kill people :)
i think its interesting to think about WHEN the NRA changed to become partisan - the 70s. i wonder had happened in the 60s-70s to make people in the NRA suddenly so concerned about "self-defence" 🤔
The Black Panther Party
Always a bogeyman under the bed. Might as well say the Jchoos.
@@tankiegirl And the overall civil unrest of the Civil Rights Movement, the anti-Viet Nam War protests, and the rise of the Counterculture. I was there; I supported all of these; and I can see now how terrifying they must have been to the “Silent Majority.”
@@jeanettewaverly2590 We need a return to our radical roots as a country, but unfortunately many of your era are not here today to pass on their traditions after the government declared war on activists and the AIDs genocide.
@@tankiegirl I appreciate the compliment, but I must admit that many of my generation are no longer with us due to our overly enthusiastic experimentation with questionable pharmaceuticals.
I've already subscribed, and this is another video I liked. You have said things I've been talking about for many decades. There is something I need to point out, which I have done elsewhere. When people talk about America, they forget whole segments of society. When it comes to gun control, there is a very important segment that you left out. I don't say this in malice, of course. In America's wars with Native Americans, they lost as often as they won. There was no end in the fighting as settlers continued to encroach and outright attack as we successfully fought back again and again. The government found its solution in offering peace treaties which they knew they would later violate. This hinged on getting our people to turn over their guns. We lived up to our end of the argument, the US government did not. Once we were unable to defend ourselves, we were progressively hemmed in, and the rest is bloody history; a history which continues to play out to this day with violence against Natives that goes unreported. As Americans talk about self-defense against a strong federal government, they also support that strong federal government against Native rights. Again, without arms, we are defenseless. When we did take up arms in self-defense, we created AIM-the American Indian Movement. Our leader is still in prison for the crime of speaking out for our people. This is a significant piece of the American mindset that is far more applicable than the fear of a boogieman. To be blunt: people know what they do to Natives can be done to them.
There was one school shooting in the UK and the government tightened up gun laws. Since then there hasn't been another school shooting, after guns were essentially banned. Now if you want gun you'll need either a shotgun or rifle licence, a reason why you need one like permission to hunt on a farmers land. It'll need to locked away in a gun safe, and the ammo will need to be locked in a separate ammo safe. Police can come round uninvited to carry out checks that the guns/s and ammo are safely stored.
Hi Leeja and thanks for the content. One thing people often forget is the Mulford Act.
It basically took guns out of citizens (black citizens) because of the BPP walking into the California state house in protest armed with long guns.
Advocates for the 2nd amendment forget this conveniently. Funny how January 6th was ok but BPP doing the same thing were out of lines and communist.
Actually, the NRA called for more gun control after what the Black Panther Party did. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@manniking233 Yes. The NRA did push the bill for gun control- gun control for blacks.Governor Ronald Reagan, who was coincidentally present on the capitol lawn when the BPP arrived, later commented that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship on the honest citizen."
@@SD80 . The guntoting brigade are conveniently silent about that fact: Their lord and savior, Ronald Reagan, was a gun control advocate, especially, against black gun owners. I wonder why? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Jeffersonian republicanism, my black azz! 😅 I support gun rights... But from the point of view of the BPP. And proudly, if I may add. 😅
@@manniking233 LOL. Whats even more hilarious is how they negate guns away from blacks but then burn Rosewood and Tulsa down to the ground. Then later say pull your bootstraps up and create good , thriving communities. If the Klan didn’t have guns we would’ve whipped their asses
Plenty of firearm owners are aware of this and many don't support the NRA.
There's a great many leftists who support 2A as well, and it's disingenuous to act as if all firearm owners are racist hickabily Republicans.
TLDR: Scalia was a monster.
For a group of people "very wary of minority rule", they sure did set up a system that specifically rewarded and empowered minority rule.
I’m always telling my students, “The Constitution doesn’t guarantee your right to own a car, but that doesn’t mean that the Big Bad Government has taken away all the cars. The Constitution doesn’t specifically guarantee your right to own most things. What is it that makes guns so special?”
Some terrible teacher you are
Indeed. Why did they specifically enumerate that right, and say it shall not be infringed?
I don't know. Ask the Black guys here in Baltimore. Six years, over 2000!!! murdered. Just one city. Those killers don't know anything about the Constitution.
@@Anon54387
Most likely they imagined that somewhere down the line there might be a despot president or senators that didn't represent the people enough for a revolution. And that there should be a volunteer militia ready to defend freedom. Much like they themselves did. And enumerating that within the Constitution would make it more difficult for said despot to dismantle their opposition.
It was never meant to mean 'every man woman and child should have a gun!'
Also, they would likely be horrified with the weapons we possess today. It took almost a minute to reload a single shot in their day. Compare that to high capacity magazines and automatic rifles.
And ironically, this interpretation conveniently throws out the whole bit about a people's militia in favor of individual gun ownership. Which completely defeats the most likely original intention
@@Anon54387 so we didn't have a good shot at coming back to take back what the war oif independance won? (a. n. englishman)
the 'well regulated militia' bit has pretty clear objectives, i'd say. & btw: well regulated militias were *extremely* rare (ie. no-one had one) in places we colonised.
That phrase pretty well describes religion and politics in the US. "They cherry pick..."
Good video. I did actually learn some things. :)
A favorite fictional law-enforcer liked to say, "Follow the money". Private gun ownership in the USA is an industry worth billions. So it is inevitable that the people making this money wish to keep doing so - meaning a chunk of money put into mass marketing, political influence and media. Amongst other results, the NRA changed - from an organization all about safety and education into this screaming thing whose response to any issue is always "WE NEED MORE GUNS!!!!!!"
As an Australian, I can say that Australia's gun laws were generally much tighter than the USA's even before the Port Arthur horror. But it was all being done at the State level, and getting Australia's States to unanimously agree on ANYTHING has always been an uphill battle. So there was a great deal of inconsistency and numerous loopholes - most of which was eliminated after this tragedy.
One anecdote from then. The Premier of Queensland (equivalent to a US State Governor) openly supported the new laws despite knowing full well it would cost him an impending election. But, as he said, "It was the right thing to do." Yes, he lost that election, but gained a lot of respect.
Killing the business model though guns are not like cars when they get better and old ones wear out ,guns just put holes in stuff and don't really wear out ,they are small though so you can have cupboards full of them though I guess.if you can't find something better to do with the money.or you could just steal some money for another gun I guess.
As a single woman who lives who lives in the middle of no where, i am of course a gun owner. And i believe that there are many valid points to be made for this "no guns argument". But i firmly believe that many of these gun deaths, are simply violent crime deaths. Being, we have a bigger fundamental problem than "they have a gun and used it". We need to be addressing violent crimes, and repeat offenders of violent crimes. Because when we take the guns away, it just turns i to people stabbing or bludgeoning each other. School shootings? Why aren't we addressing why so many kids want to kill other kids? Regulate, sure. But there are deeper issues we need to be dealing with.