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The Shimano Stella is Great. Is it worth it???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ม.ค. 2019
- The Shimano Stella SW is a great spinning reel with many awesome features. However, in today's video I go over why I recommend some people don't buy it. I go over some negatives, some positives, some alternative spinning reels, and my personal assessment of the reel. This isn't a comprehensive review of all facets of the reel, please see Alan Hawk's review below for that:
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Brass is a decent material for gears it's semi self lubing. Just my 2¢.
I really liked this vid. Really good review in layman's terms, especially letting the viewers know a new version/model coming out this year, which most would not know. I've seen some of your other vids, Really like the Japan fishing one recently, and seen you with Vic from landshark.....so I've subbed...also have seen some of Allen hawks reviews...he is one in-depth dude.....that's a good thing. Can't wait to catch up on your previous vids. Tight lines 😎
you talking about Shimano Stella all the time
and you're showing the picture of "okuma makaira"
stella is crap.. the makaira is a better reel for hundreds less.. for many hundreds less, though heavier, the cabo will outlast the stella if I had to guess... for the money, the Ecooda Hornet is pretty damn good, actually, if all you are doing is vert jigging or live bait work.. just saying..
Yeah but Daiwa will love you for this. lol
I paid $825 for my 14K shipped from Ottos Tackle in Australia. No play anywhere. Love the reel. Been slaying fish with it for a few years now and no issues.
I have Saltiga 2015 model and Stella sw 2013 model.I have to say than saltiga feels like tank in all the ways.It also has better drag in smoothness .Stella is like plastic has play almost everywhere .It feels like a saragosa sw.I regretted buying stella over Saragosa.On the other hand Saltiga worth all the money i spend.
I agree with you on the plastic bits, even if it's for weight saving, it'd be better if they were metal, or at least covered with thin metal.
I am not sure if it has already been mentioned by somebody yet but the small amount of play disappears under load is most likely there for a calculated reason. Because all materials have a certain amount of flex/squish, and with the huge forces applied upon a spinning reel when fighting mega strong/heavy fish, that "play" allows gears to mesh better and things not to grind on themselves. Imagine it was made using ultra tight clearances between parts, then all that force is applied...the parts (especially meshing of gear teeth) would be actually pushing on each other and it would feel rougher, tighter & less smooth -than if the clearances were there to start with before loads are applied. Among other similar systems I installed motorcycle sprockets (chain drive gears) & chains for years as a motorcycle component technician and I would never install things that roll/move under heavy load super tightly, or with no room for "give". I have also installed and maintained many of Shimano's push bike gear systems- and there is engineered tolerances, movement & flex in these gear systems- that work under load also. Hope that might give you some answers? but yes cheap products do have unintentional "slop" between rolling/moving parts-Which seemingly similar in feeling when turned not under load, will not translate into less wear and smoother function when loaded up with the strain from some reef pig/pelagic donkey-like the movement/flex from the Stella SW would.
Nope, that not how things work under stress! High tolerances always been critical in precise components! I think engineers don't need that kind of tolerances in a reel, but for that money.. yeah!
You are so right about the areas on the Stella having play in them for the price point shouldn't be any play to be honest I have owned Shimano products and I was caught up in the Shimano hype until I touched a Daiwa... much more Superior product. The reels are built more solid have a sturdier feel have a more quality feel
I prefer my saltiga expedition over my Stella 14k but both are top notch spinners and I think the drag is superior on the saltiga also
aLLsTaR*617* At least you know what you’re talking about ;)
"It's the man behind the rod that catches the fish, not the rod."
Never had any issues with any of my shimano stuff including my stella
From an understanding of metallurgy having a little bit of play in some of those parts will be a benefit because a part that is to stiff has a tendency to shatter
Shimano changed that angle on their new reels, including the 2013 Stella SW, in a somehow controversial move. The foot of the Stella is now parallel to the main shaft, something that has caused problems to a number of users, particularly of bigger sizes 18K and up. The new parallel foot of the Stella SW meant that on standard jigging and popping rods the line would come out of the reel at such a sharp angle it would not remain seated on the line roller, which causes line damage and a weird feel when reeling. Following many complaints and a few videos that were posted by European anglers showing the issue. Source Alan Hawk in the saltiga expedition review.
I think that twin power is more interesting than stella because:
1) TP have aluminum body who is more unbreakable than stellas magnum body
2) price
Good video, bro!
Twin Power is a piece of junk! Catalina is so much better at a similar price
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Why do you think so?
Daiwas reels have a lot of problems for extreme fishing. For example mag sealed
@@FishingReviews yes, for the business secret, Daiwa official wouldn't leak or authorize any store to re-fill the mag sealed. It is truely a suck problem.
That’s why I went with the Exist. I love the fact it has the magseal. Since I fish Saltwater.
I used to have a Stella 8000PG (the blue one from 1999), and does have some play indeed but it does not affect at all the fishing though. The smaller ones (I had a Stella 2000 FA), and it was great! one of the best I ever had (ok, the certate is also very good), but the wuality back then used to be much better...
Super thorough review. I especially liked where you went over the play in areas where you wouldn't expect it. That makes me wonder if the reel is as watertight as they claim it is. Also, the plastic parts. Interesting facts about the 30000 being the same components as the 20000 with only the outside components changing, I could see how that could wind up with gear damage, especially if your targeting monsters. Hope your Japan trip is going well. Take care. Until next time, tight lines & good vibes.
thanks brother! It's tough to make engaging content changing locations all the time but I'm still trying!
Listen, for big offshoe fishing such as marlin pitching or tuna, the 30000 is definitely worth it over the 20000. It is not much heavier than the 20000 and stacks much more line than it. I have 700 yards of 80lb on the braid and can last me for ages
Also the drag on the Stella’s is 55lbs. The 30000 has 44.1lbs of drag, although this is less. Who is going to use 44 lbs of drag. It is too much drag in the first place and I have never had to push either my 14000 or my 30000 especially as the 30000 stacks so much line
The tighter everything is leads to more thing that could go wrong (ie gears/bearings and such). There should be "some" play.
As a passionate fisherman i think price matters.I had a lot of fishing reels ,i use only spinning reels.Last year i bought Shimano Twin Power XD 5000 and i can tell you this is the best reel i ever owned.Definitely im looking forward on buying 2019 Stella.
You'll like the Stella if you like the Twinpower, it is a significant upgrade mechanically.
I can get behind this. A Stradic is all the reel I need. I've nearly made the 10 to 1 club with them.
Get a Daiwa Saltiga if you are looking to buy a top of the line reel, they are much better!
One day, i will have that one beautiful shimano stella.
Entering their 38th year my BG15 and BG60 are still going strong lots of salt. I hope I can out live them and get something a bit tighter someday.
It sounds like they are going cheaper on their parts for more profits! Knowing that people will still buy the reel because its made a good name in the fishing community!
I use to be a Shimano fan but have switched to lessor price reels the problem I had was bearings would freeze up , I would send them back to Shimano factory they would charge only $ 25 never repaired but I would get a new reel every time great service but it takes about 3 weeks to get back. I would rinse after use and clean the best I could once I tried to take down to clean but my hands couldn't handle the little screws so I sent it to Shimano in a baggie they sent me a new reel WOW !
I now use Diawa and Tsunami and have had no issues.
Slammer 3 is the go to Imo good gears good drag very good durability all metal but probably weighs alot more.
I own the 4000 8000 14000 Stella and I have zero buyers remorse, rinse them off the fresh water after every session and they're good to go every time 🤙🏾🤙🏾
The plastic you refer to are only shrouds on the Hagane body which is a cast aluminum composite according to shimano and in ten years time I reckon we'd be able to 3d print new components if anything wears out.
Fast and furious 6 and dodge ball !
Hi Ryan....thx for the advice. Happy belated New Year and may u catch many more this year. Can't wait to see. 🍻🎣
Fantastic review, thanks. Please review the new 2019 version!!
Nothing can compare to the 08’ Stella. That thing was/still is a beast. The 2013 Stella didn’t live up to its expectations because of its predecessors magnitude in quality.
I was a big fan of the 08 version after they fixed the line roller issues.
Liked and subbed. Super informative and led to some sick fishing action from your vid library.
As a super keen rock fisho and TH-camr in NZ. I use the Fin-nor offshore reel. Heavy reel, super solid, simple, and reliable. And cheap when compared to others. Highly recommend if you can handle the extra weight.
Would be interested in your technical thoughts on the dogfight range though.
Not being able to get parts after 10 years is crap. I've got a cherry Penn Jigmaster from 1962 I got on ebay for $50. I can still get every part for it (although it works flawlessly).
I got a daiwa saltiga. I feel like overall its a better design then a stella.
Saved up for my 20000 $ 1400.00! Its large and its on the heavy side but its drag is what I was after. I bought it to go with a popping rod for casting out to tuna. No complaints whatsoever. By far my biggest investment in a reel. Its my 5th shimano reel, Abu garcia are my others.
Can’t beat the drags on Stellas👌🏼
I've had a 10K Stella and I'd never buy one again. It's a really nice reel but I have multiple Saragosa's and for the price you can't go wrong. Save $1,000 and just get the Gosa
10k?? Surely you meant 1k !
Pak De as in 10k, he means the 10000 version
Yep.
Got my SW for $940 and that was on Sale !!!
Apart from that. No complaints 👍
no frikkin' reel is worth $1000. but, people like to overpay for things. people with $$ like to brag about how expensive their toys were.
breathe and squeeze Like the Van Staals... Way overpriced and most are made in China. Too many VS fanboys here in Florida that don’t use em for their intended purpose
I would buy a reel for 1000$ to catch a blue fin worth lots more
And poor cheap people like to hate. If you like it and want it, then buy it. Don't worry about what others.
@@themagurofishermen9279 actually rich people are some of the cheapest, that's why they have their money. I like the reel, I've used my friend's, but I would never spend that amount on a reel. it ain't THAT much better.
I own a few "high end reels" - well worth the money in my opinion. Im not well off at all, I fish mainly salt water so spending the extra $$ on reels I know will last was worth the saving. I run Saltiga's though, not Stella's.
Can you please guide about the reel with following features
1. Long cast
2. Large capacity (min 300 meters for 0.6 mm line)
3. Sturdy atleast as fin nor or diawa BG
Love the review. Never used one but would agree with every point u made.
Mexico needs to start making knock off fishing reels. $600 Stella SW
China*
not sure if the parts you pointed out are plastic or not as a carp fisherman my Shimano aero technium reels have the Ci4 material which feels like plastic but is actually a alloy so it may be that
I have a Ci4 reel. It's a work of art!
This guys a goof like trump's review of a stella lmao
I love fishing but I don't love it that much to spend a k on 1 reel. Really enjoy watching your videos.
Great review, I know a guy who design's reels for a living I asked him about the Stella's and he recommend a reel a fraction of the price! He mentioned that the build on these reels for the price is pretty poor, he mentioned the gearing and materials used in the build should be a lot higher standard! I'm definitely a quality but value for money guy that way you don't have to worry about not being able to get parts after the reel has been discontinued you can just buy another one and the latest model great video thanks
What was the reel he recommended
@@loodytheleprican3079 it's the guy who has designed a lot of reels for ABU and is the main UK specialist for ABU, but the reel I'm talking about is a Akios MRV but now renamed as the Akios IRONLOOP but only available in one size unfortunately
Love the review and also appreciate your honesty
Choverine you’re the man!
I'm perfectly happy with my Nasci and at the price I wouldn't be too mad having to buy another if I ever had to. Totally different class of reel but I don't even get as much mileage out of the gear I do have.
I feel for you
I guess I can pay rent this month...
Excellent video also the Van Stall video the same,both very informative and helpful
if there was gt in my country I would go without hesitation for a saltiga expedition 8000
Why not buy the new saltiga? The expedition and dogfight are discontinued now.
Just a recommendation, look at the camera.
ShipMonster look at his right eye, he is looking at you
You deserve so many more subs man, best fishing channel on TH-cam in my opinion.
I have a Stella 8000H, didn't know it's not spool swappable with the 10k and 14k.
New here, thanks for the info on that reel. I use mostly Shimano reels and love them all, some from the early 90s and they all still work great.
I can use rifles to probably explain the "play" in the reel. People don't like how "sloppy" the bolt of how any Mauser type rifle feels. Its wobbly and has a ton of play. Everybody prefers how smooth a bolt on a Tikka feels for example, with very little play. But that play is there for a reason, and when sand, mud and other grit get on that bolt, the Mauser will always operate as it was intended. The Tikka will not. I suspect the Stella is the same. If Shimano built it without, a single grain of sand could cause it to bind up.
Jason's Fishing Again? Great explanation and one I’m going to borrow 👍
I have heard the same about Kalashnikov rifles.
Juno I like to see a video on the Penn spenfisher reel now I would like to see that
Love this video. Do the same kind of video on the 2019 Stella when it comes out.
Got the opportunity of comparing the slammer high speed to the stella and this newer model doesn't compare to the slammer 3. Only thing was slammer was heavier/ bulkier
1600 dollars here in AUSTRILIA IN some stores to 13000 dollars , I own the stella 18000surf reel 2020
I bought a 20000 Stella 12 plus years ago and it is a precision piece of engineering, not a thou of play in any part, as smooth as can be. About 2 or 3 years ago I decided to fork out for a 5000 model. I was disappointed, play in every part. The round handle even spun off center, not even close to the precise engineering of my older model. Of course I kicked up a stink and had the handle replaced and let the sales person know what I thought. I do wonder if like many things in this world maybe Shimano are simply having these latest reels manufactured cheaper and relying on their name to keep their price. Kiwis can fly!
Dude ...it was a perfect review...cant be as straight forward as this one ...thanks a lot
Digging the channel new sub. Advice tho, your looking at the wrong part of the camera just helping
A higher tolerance?? You mean less tolerance.
The play mentioned exists, but has been over exaggerated for the purpose of clickbaiting. You need to have a degree of backlash in the gearing for the reel to function properly. I have both a Stella and Saltiga and the latter does have slightly tighter back lash overall. I also have a spheros and saragosa and whilst they are great reels the drag systems are not in the same league as the top tier reels, and they have issues with the drag clicker, and the saragosa has a weird balancing issue in the 10k plus sizes. I also have a fin nor lethal lt100 which is a $100 reel and its fantastic for smoothness and has great drag. Each reel has a purpose, simply stating that someone should get x over y because y is lighter, is better sealed, or better drag isn't a good recommendation as you have to look at what that reel is going to be used for.
It’s a SW model therefore you should expect more plastics than metal to reduce saltwater corrosion
I can’t afford one anyway 😂
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me two
Buy what you can and enjoy
@@mrcina8621 yes im on my way
Take a Penn Slammer 3 anyday. I don’t mind dropping it and slamming it against rocks. $180 on Amazon, saving lots of money for gas and other gear.
I found you video very honest thanks for your review!!!!
excellent comment my dear juno, I always dreamed of buying a reel estella sw, but thank you great comment on this, and stop dreaming and I will look for other options, such as you indicate or maybe, opt for van staal you can help me with your opinion about this brand of reels. thank you brother and greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷.
Even the drag cap. If I feel ANYTHING flex under max drag pressure, it's worth no more than $300. A $300 reel can flex when maxed out, not a $500+ reel. If a $1000 reel flexes under what it's "rated" for by the maker, I'm telling the seller to sell something else for a $1000.
For a $1500 hammerhead reel, I better get inconel stainless steel gears, 4340 steel shaft, gaskets and o rings everywhere, water proof to 30 feet certified, double sealed and super greased up tungsten bearings, forged 7075-T6 aluminum body, grade 5 titanium rotor, magnetic bail, double sealed triple Kevlar drag discs up to 70lbs, baked on chemical finish, ZERO play EVERYWHERE/ANYWHERE, no plastic/abs, my signature etched in the body and rotor, a 10 year transferable warranty, spare rotor and small parts.
Daiwa saltiga more robust.. More solid.. More cranking power.. More drag.. And more smooth than stella.. And less weight.. If you dont believe.. Buy saltiga and stella.. And fishing monster fish.. U can feel the different saltiga and stella..
J&h tackle has a 2 speed fox sports spinning reel. Its 1500$ and 50 ounces and 40lbs of drag.
Hey man, great input! Can you do one on the Dog fight 8000 and maybe one where you compare both?
Yup, Daiwa Dogfight, Expedition or Penn Torque 2 all day. Still haven't seen the Makaira being sold, and I'm not a fan of the fixed handle like the Van Staals since I'm left-handed.
All great reels, all have their pros and cons
most people buy the newest iphone for a grand every year but think buying a real for a grand that will last a lifetime is insane
Nice I need a guy like you to watch I like to buy good stuff I’ve bought some reels that are not so good but I’ll be checking your vids out 👍🏼
Juno, Enjoyed your assessment. I have a question I can't find an answer to; I have a Stella 2500S. Is it possible to put a different spool on it that would allow me to put more line on?
When I use and/or exam their $200-$500 baitcasters, I can see the money. It makes sense. I just don’t see $1000 in the Stella. Never have. To each their own.
want to buy the SHIMANO Trevala 5'8 XXH for off shore lighter fishing . 30 lbs snapper . which stella reel should I pair with it?
This thing about really expensive spinning reels is a puzzle to me. No matter how much you spend, it's still a spinning reel. The drag is never going to be as good as a conventional reel. And the line has to take a right angle coming off the spool. If you crank on a fighting fish and don't make any line, you're just twisting.
Also, look at the parts diagram for the Stella. There's a million parts. Servicing and fixing that thing down the road is going to be a nightmare.
I just bought a Garcia Mitchell 302 Saltwater from about 1959. It's like new, never used. Made in France. They were actually made in Haute Savoie, near Switzerland. It's made like a watch. I paid $41. It's going to work great. Really smooth. The bail snaps shut with a satisfying "clink". I'm not planning to go swimming with it. It's actually pretty beefy. It's all metal. And the metal that's there is stainless where it counts. There's no plastic in it. If you rinse it off after getting salt on it, it will last another lifetime.
Spinning reels are better
Garth, I completely agree. I hate the damn things but I do use them if fishing with less than 8lb mono. But several of these u tube "stars" use them with success! I've asked a few of these "stars" why they use them and not a one has come up with a solid answer in my opinion. Maybe it's a generational thing. IDK.
@Robert Curtin I'm 53 and have been fishing with the San Diego long range fleet since my early 20's. If you walked on one of the long range boats with a quiver of rods sporting these "heavy duty" reels of course you could use them. But most if not all crews will tell you that "it's your possible trip of a lifetime, your chance at a world record". Like Juno said " it's your money , your decision". I try to make the choices that allow me the best chances for success.
The Pacific has been navigated by outrigger canoe but if I were going to attempt this same feat I'd much rather stack the odds in my favor by employing fiberglass, steel and deisel engines.
When I step into the alley to take on Goliath, I don't want a pinche(slang) sling shot. I want a brand new M2 50 Cal.
Just my opinion.
@Robert Curtin Yes, if you want to cast a 1/4oz lure with 4# test, then by all means use a spinning reel. My point is only that for salt water conventional reels are generally better, and there's no reason to spend big bucks on a spinning reel. They don't do the job any better than a less expensive one.
People today are targeting a lot bigger fish on spinning gear than they use to when watch makers turned to anglers. I too invested a small amount on an old Mitchell 302 saltwater. Near new (at least 50 years old) Worked a treat until I hooked a trophy snapper and had the spool implode. Now use an offshore fin-nor reel. Super tough, smooth as, well priced, a bit heavy (lots of metal), but seems to handle anything.
Great review/opinion, i Was contemplating the Stella 6000
this man not looking at the camera but a skript
I like Shimano except the price. Of all the alternatives you cited, which one is the best bang for the bucks ? I am leaning toward Okuma.. I am stepping up to tackle large giant tuna 200-400 lbs range.
That's why okuma left out the fresh water fishing cause their stuff ain't making the cut
I would much rather have marine grade brass than hardened steel. Do you have any idea how harsh and unsmooth it would feel with hardened steel?!
Love Shimano. Can't justify a Stella.
Saragosa sw is the way to go 🤙🏽
Thanks for the info. I have used Shimano for many years with good results but I will never drop a grand on a reel. We are a bit short of salt water up here in NW Arkansas. Thanks for the vid but now get your tail end back on the water and catch some fish...lol Always look forward to your next. Be safe and take care!
I always look forward to your comments Rick! Thanks for the continued support my friend.
I switch to shimano from Daiwa just because of there service department, I personal have had bad experience with Daiwa service department, I’ve had Daiwa reels take as long as 5 to 6 months to get back wich is absolutely unacceptable!!! Daiwa makes great reels don’t get me wrong, I actually think they feel more solid than most shimano reels and look better, but the fact that I can send a shimano reel in and have it fully rebuilt in under 2 weeks and pay little to nothing, u can’t beat it.
I fish the North East of long island just can't think of dropping that kind of money if I can't feel underwater i.e. Van staal or z bass
Please help,
I have the following Shimano Stella reels:
Shimano Stella 4000FB
Shimano Stella FW 4000S
I am looking to buy a slightly larger spare spool for each of the reel.
Can you tell me if the 5000 spools size (in the same series) will fit the 4000 size reels.
Saragosa prob the best bang for buck. But if I was gonna spend over a thousand, I would get a daiwa saltiga dogfight 8000. Nothing comes close
hi man,could u maybe do s review on the okuma makaira spinning reel plz
Alan Hawk gave that a great review
The fin-nor off shore is a tank unbreakable in my opinion
7 years good luck to you and your family if you can name the two movies in today’s video 👌🏼
Fast & Furious, Dodgeball...classics
Very objective opinion
Play in a handle kills it for me. If I am paying that kind of money it better be rock solid and move like butter.
Do u look at the camera screen and not your lens?
Yes
Hey, great video, very well thought out and presented. But, please stop saying "go ahead" and "went ahead". Those are usually fill in words that don't mean anything. "I'm going to go ahead and go to the store" vs "I am going to the store" See what I mean? I know it is a style of speaking that has taken over younger generations but it is very irritating to us old folks. Keep up the good work.
jbirdsall99 Good points! I’m always working on my public speaking, if you saw the amount of “takes” it required me to piece together a 15 min video, you’d laugh 😂
Why Stella 2019 just have 3 sizes for SW?8000,10000&14000..any idea?
Jheez, I bought a £50 carp reel and it didn’t have no where near as much play!
(I’m from uk, so yes I fish for carp)
The daiwa dogfight and the saltiga are more expencive than the stella
DAIWA CATALINA 😉
Shiiit you’re right they are in US markets. Fun fact, out here in Japan the Daiwas are actually cheaper than the Stellas.
a 30k stella costs as much if not more than a dogfight. here in australia anyway.
JunoRyan I work at shop in the US that sells both. A dogfight 8000h is $1099.00, and both the Stella18000SWBHG and 20k are $1259.00. A Saltiga 6500h is $999.95 / Stella 14000 is $1159.99
Hope that helps
JunoRyan Not more than the Exist. The Exist is more expensive in Japan and the U.S.
Was the play on the handle present out the box new or it turned out to have wiggle(play)..