Likes for Oshii Retrospective? SOURCES docs.google.com/document/d/19b-KleFMYFM6XfC4zCpf5bya92_3NgJtazOS2NOqX4Y/edit?usp=sharing Anime & footage Genocidal Organ Blade Runner Neuromancer Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner Akira Burst City SHUFFLE (シャッフル) megazone 23 bubblegum crisis Goku Midnight Eye Cyber City Oedo 808 AD Police Angel Cop Dominion Tank Police Harmagedon Construction Cancellation Order Little Nemo pilot Tetsuo The Iron Man 'Manga!' BBC TV Special GITS PS1 Game Ghost in the Shell Roujin z Black Magic M-66 Key The Metal Idol Battle Angel Alita Armitage III REAL DRIVE A.D. Police Files Parasite Dolls METROPOLIS Animatrix The Matrix Blame Alien Blame! Prologue Serial experiments Lain Innocence Baldr_Force_EXE Download Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex Paprika Dennou Coil Appleseed (2004) Memories Spiritied Away Steam Boy Freedom Electric Dragon 800000V (1999) Rideback Ghost in the Shell Arise Psycho-Pass Blame 2017 Deus Ex Human Revolution BLADE RUNNER 2049 Alita Battle Ghost In The Shell (2017) BLADE RUNNER 2049 - Black Out Altered Carbon Terminator-zero BLADE RUNNER BLACK LOTUS Ghost in the Shell SAC_2045 Cyberpunk Edgerunners Cyberpunk 2077 Rick Roderick on Baudrillard - Fatal Strategies starwars arcade game CNN Gulf War coverage MGS4 MGS2 MGSV Snatcher Metallic Rouge Pluto Music snatcher audio T-9508G_MX1 One Night In Neo Kobe City Karl Casey - Dark Synthwave Collection Vol. 2 - 14 Wicked City Nihilore - Katabasis Umurangi Generation i cri in da club The Bottom Barrel Baby Boys Silver Gate Kusabi Kusabi (2nd ver.) Furuya (Unused, 1st ver.) smt3 Jewelry RAG mgs4 Love Theme
I love oshii so much so that's something I'd absolutely go crazy over. It would be awesome if you went into some of the live action films he worked on too like Avalon
@@Stevem Ha, ok, but like, there's a band named Katabasis, and multiple bands who have done a track named Katabasis, and I haven't found the one you used yet, lol.
I don’t even know if you can say it fell off if it won Anime of the Year over Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan. It was big, everyone watched it, more anime came out. We aren’t going to watch the same anime over and over again until we die. There’s more to see.
No it does not. We have an oversaturation of the genre in media, and the genre itself has been appropriated by the kind of organisations that it speaks against.
There was an old 90's American animated show called Spicy City that came out in 1997. It was on HBO and was created by cult American animator Ralph Bakshi (Fritz the Cat, Wizards, American Pop, Lord of the Rings, Cool World) and was all Cyberpunk. I remember one episode being about two people meeting in a virtual space who fell in love but were complete opposites in real life. They ended up dying but had their memories and souls kept alive in the virtual program. Very cool stuff even back then.
After reading this comment I watched all of Spicy City, it really is cyber punk of the hood. I find funny how an episode like "Manos hands" is played out, a Japanese animation with that same story line would have been more existential. In spicy city its just a mafia misadventure hahahaha
You’re always outdoing yourself on every video man. I don’t think it’s about how good it does viewer wise (even though that does majorly help) but the amount of time & energy you put into every topic.. it’s astonishing. You are an inspiration & I’m not even working in the same field 😅
Outstanding video. This is a real gateway into this genre of anime for me, having only really watched a few including animatrix. I literally went throigh and wrote down every anime you referenced so I can go and start checking them out!!
Really wish this video got to the 10k likes... An Oshii retrospective would be amazing.. talking about some of my favorite anime of the 90s and early aughts.. always appreciate your historical perspectives.. keep up the great work.
I can't describe how important BGC was to my entrance into anime and into cyberpunk. The knight Sabers have a really outsized influence on my own interests or my own artistic interests even now.
I’m not even finished with this video yet, but I have to write this: this is an incredible essay. Everything about it. I don’t know how you don’t have a million subscribers. You are criminally underrated. Please keep making content, and I’m going to tell everyone I know about your channel!
I worked part time at a video store in the early 90's. Manga was being marketed to video rental throughout the U.S. and the tie ins with comic books announced when Cyberpunk films would hit theatres. Believe me, the producers knew what markets they were going after. The response from the public was predictable, but product had a hard time keeping up with demand. I had to travel from Rochester, N.Y. to Cleveland, Ohio just to see the premiere of AKIRA. And that was shown at a planetarium. Very cool ! Later on new companies started handling distribution to get product into the hands of customers.
that sounds quite nice, to watch the film is a planetarium, but yeah they also knew what they were doing over here they actively insighted some controversies for publicity
His recent anime series The Fire Hunter had epic worldbuilding and characters but was tragically under-funded and the inconsistent animation art and frequent use of still images shows. Still worth a watch IMO
@@hitachicordobait wasn't technically his but he had a part in the production it was an adaptation but one without a production committee hence why it was a fairly limited show
@@Stevem that's interesting info, it was only anime worth watching last year, it was somewhat convoluted but enjoyable (it's hard to find relatable anime when you're in the late 30s, like I don;t want to wrap myself up in the nostalgia cocoon and on the other hand, I'm not teenager anymore and there's full blown up war right beside the border)
Really cool video. I’ve been developing my own cyberpunk project for a few years now, and I love videos like this that give context to the genre, both so I can pay homage to the greats while avoiding ground that’s already well tread
your videos are incredible, I love the way you narrate and how you manage to put a bunch of information in such short videos (I know for some 35 mins may seem like long in nowadays internet but these are complex topics that cover more than 40 years of history, sumarizing that in 35 minutes is definitely hard). Keep it up!! When I find a new job I'll join your patreon!! (Nowadays the argentinian peso is pretty fucked up to pay monthly in us dollars lmao)
@@Stevem I found a job and I joined!!!!!!! I got in the lowest tear cause I'm still payed in a weak currency but hey, I said I'd do it. Hope you can buy a coffee or smt hahahah sorry
Thank you for covering Project Itoh and GENOCIDAL ORGAN. I'm re-reading the novel and it remains one of the most chilling SF novels I've ever read. Its sequel, HARMONY, was the last full novel Itoh wrote before he passed away in 2009.
I’ve used your videos like a quasi fine arts survey course over the past couple years; the ones you select are in my opinion; are usually the best entry into that genre. The first anime I picked to watch at the age of 30 was Knights of Sidonia; that was a few years ago. Just wanted to say your efforts are much appreciated. You always have a few that I haven’t seen yet; and they’re always worth checking out.
Knights was my first anime too! Also around 30. I really liked it at first, but then it got just… super weird about women. By season 2 it felt like a harem thing and I had to just check out. A shame it didn’t stick to such a compelling premise instead of… what ever it became
I feel like you touched on this briefly but watching this and noticing (now that you brought it up) the significant drop in cyberpunk anime it really does fell like maybe one of the big reasons we moved from cyberpunk is because we've already reached and to a degree surpassed the genre and its a nostalgia... but not for the 80's genre but for a time when we could look at this fantastical dystopian future rather than the disappointing dystopian reality we're stuck in. Like if medical costs are so exorbitant I really need a street doc the least I can get is cybernetic arm out of it, but no - all we get is Canadian insulin
as always, thank you for a wonderful video! this might be my favourite genre of all time (put neon lights and give me corporate/class struggle and im there), and i was so excited to see the release on patreon. a really cool dive into the genre's history, and definitely have a few things to check out.
As a cyberpunk fan since the late 80s, I can recommend some recent anime: Blade Runner Blackout 2022 and Black Lotus, Akudama Drive, Vivy Fluorite Eyes, The Gene of AI, Yurei Deco, Deca-Dence, Altered Carbon: Resleeved, Pluto and less recently Time of Eve, Planetarians and Ergo Proxy
Thank you.. this video is so amazing.. seeing all the anime listed took me back to my childhood.. in the UK, anime in the 80's and early 90's was such a small niche genre, I was absolutely addicted and would try and get my hands on as much as possible.. I wonder whether there could be a cyberpunk renaissance.
Long time fan of the genre, read lots of novels and I have a nice collection of cyberpunk anime, you got a new subscriber right here...by the way I respect someone who remembers Armitage III
I will always love the work you put into these man, I know it must take a lot of time and effort, absolutely love the sketches and narration as well, keep it coming
@@Stevem I love how the series elaborates on an idea that beyond our understanding of the techology there is a layer of supernatural. (A bit like Dimension W, a sci-fi manga/anime)
Fantastic video as always. I think the appeal of cyberpunk even beyond the detective noir is that one can take a true story and apply fictional/fantastical elements to emphasize the bleak reality. Thanks to its future setting, unlike fantasy which is usually set in the past, this seems plausible and we are more receptive of it. I recently watched Dennou Coil and loved it. And at the time (2004 methinks?) I think the glasses could have been an imagining of if we were actually able to fit a computer on our head and the addiction of computer usage which I think was already there in 2004. Of course there are many other themes, but I want to point out that the cyberpunk element takes something real (computers) and imagines it as future technology. Surprisingly today, there are genuine attempts in AR technology. I suppose that most of these hyperreal anime genuinely try to warn us of something based on the roots that the creators see taking place.
Your probably the first TH-camr I've ever heard mention Malice@doll! I picked that up a few years ago from a CEX, not knowing anything about it. But when I saw that Chiaki Konaka worked on it (Serial Experiment Lains, Armitage III, Vampire Princess Miyu etc) I was immediately intrigued. Have to say it's quite the underrated, misunderstood and trippy gem. I think some people may have criticized the ps1 looking animation, until you realise they were actually playing into the limitations of CGI at the time to create a kinda Stop-motion-esk CGI look, that seems appropriate given the setting and the Androids being in states of disrepair - thus their clunky walks etc. Definitely an animation worthy of discussion. Great video, I enjoyed watching! :)
@@Stevem oh awesome! So kind of like Jan Svankmajer's "Alice" from 1988(?) The stop motion in that was sure unsettling. An oh right okay, I did notice more of a drawn look towards the end of Malice@doll, especially some of the close-ups, and the end sequence where she is flying away, looked visually fantastic. Never knew thats how they pulled it off though, and great to see them trying to innovate like that. I'd love to see a high resolution version.
@@AniFAE_Productions there's a dvd version but that's a question i suppose it all depends if they still have the masters and files from the show or not if so they could rerender them out at a higher res if not making a hd version becomes a bit tricky
Ugh, your video essays/informationals are SO GOOD! You deserve more followers but I'm glad to see a healthy Patreon community. Do what you love! Keep it up!
Fantastic deep dive as always! I always learn things that I didn't even know I didn't know from these videos. While also the information feels familiar and friendly. Can't wait for the next one
Thanx for the good work. Many times I'd wonder if you would leave something out, only for it to show up a minute or so later, and then you'd go on to remind me of something I had forgotten about. =)
When you were talking about Lain, which I still haven't seen, I wondered if you would mention Den-noh Coil. I only watched it last year but was surprised how many of its concepts are now pretty much available in VR and AR. I really liked its darker undertones, and how the soul or mind could be locked in a digital world, only for the body to be left as an empty vessel in the real world.
Thanks for this! Loved your last vid! I have also live-translated huge parts of your last Ghibli video to my 10year old son (English 2 Finnish). Keep up the great work!
Ridley Scott was in Hong Kong a few months before starting to work on Blade Runner. The rainy dark city is really LA in a not too far Future. I remember the influence of Japan in the early 80's. The future was dirty and worn in Scotts's vision.
Some woke American journalist: Asian depiction in cyberpunk media is racist and bigoted! Japan: this is literally us And yes I do remember reading some article in Kotaku where they were criticising Cyberpunk2077 and the cyberpunk genre for always using Asian inspired cities as backdrops for cyberpunk dystopias.... Not taking into account that if you're looking for reference for a futuristic city, you're going to go to places in the world where the cities indeed look futuristic, and many such cities exist in Asia, Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, Shanghai etc.
I just recently started playing cyberpunk- figured it was a finished product finally- and it has pulled me into the genre. I had watched edgerunners previously and ADMITTEDLY I have adored the tie-ins. But it's not like the game doesn't stand on its own (now). I want to check out some of these older works you're bringing up- I vaguely remember seeing some of them as a younger lad. It's a difficult genre sometimes though when reality is beginning to feel closer and closer to cyberpunk.
Is exgerunners set before or after the game? I’m planning to play the game for the first time using he VR mod once the PSVR2 PC adapter comes out in a month or so. I’d watch the show, but don’t want any game spoilers since I’ve dodged them this long
Well done on yet another banger. Admittedly I wasn’t totally familiar with the genre outside of a few obvious things but this has certainly piqued my interest. I’m definitely going to watch some of the examples you’ve shown here.
@@Stevem the closer our reality comes to that dystopia, the more people prefer to be isekaied. Also, waiting for a let's play of metal gear 3 delta, when it comes out :)
@@lupinsensei7456 I was just thinking about that. Theres like 2 constants.... 1. the big trend at the time actually sucked, but 2. in the context of things, makes perfect sense. The 90s were a period of explosive experimentation following a period "complacency" for lack of a better word. The "Punk" in Cyberpunk being the embodiment of postulations for technology upsetting the norms of a stable, but arguably stifling period in history. Now that technology, despite still advancing at a rapid pace, its creating a new form of cultural stagnation. Fantasy is escapism; hopeful at best, toxic at worst. Popular in times of strife. Science Fiction, and the various punk sub-genres, are often cautionary in nature. Hopeful at best, prophetic at worst. Popular in times of stability, when we don't know what to do with ourselves. So color me surprised when the top 2 anime for this year are Slice of Life Fantasy anime, both being a direct response to the trend of isakai power fantasy. I can easily see this coming full circle back to SciFi again, when we're done wishing for the presumed simplicity of fantasy settings (see cottage core).
Saying cyberpunk is dead is the same as saying the mobster genre in cinema is dead, or rock/punk/disco is dead. The aesthetic may be a husk because the original values don’t translate anymore in relation to our reality. That doesn’t mean it’s dead. Rock is still around, in very different clothing (Strokes latest album) and message (IDLES entire discography). The same will happen to cyberpunk.
You mean a rerelease, or is there a very ill advised live action remake looming that I haven't heard of? I say "ill-advised" because, while I love that anime movie, and, yes, there are ways to adapt it successfully, I very much doubt anyone with the money needed would be interested in doing it justice. :)
i feel like cyberpunk anime went crazy from the 80's-90's and then fell off the face of the earth and then edgerunners came out of fucking nowhere and now we're back to the cyber-drought
Good video, but the truth about cyberpunk is that its true backbone lies not in media but in the TTRPG. Some periods will be more lively than others, but as long as the TTRPG keeps thriving, the genre as a whole will survive.
TTRPGs are a particular niche for those interested, but they aren't exactly the cultural centre of which where the genre formed so it didn't really seem worth mentioning here too much
its interesting if you look at the popularities of genre in different regions, its often tied to the current economic states of those countries. Things like the classic monsters like vampires, zombies, and wear wolfs rotate in popularity, even things like cyberpunk, sci-fi, phantasy, horror, they are all cyclic, though I would make the argument that cyberpunk never truly fades away during the other cycles. Its always there, being what it is, repressed but never quite out. Your right in saying that it serves as a warning more than anything else, and often times its a warning not headed as we drive seemingly head long into it.
I've seen and read literally every piece of media in the genre. I have played the TTRPG almost every week of my life since like 2018. I'm fucking desperate for more
I'm in my late thirties. Just about old enough to have gotten to experience the cyberpunk genre as a cool, but somber warning of the future, to it becoming irrelevant due to our civilization speedrunning into becoming just that kind of dystopia.
it had a small role for sure though maybe overstated in some ways, dallos sold something like 8k per volume, which was much better than they might have expected though the real move to ova doesnt happen until 85
@@Stevem True. I mostly meant that it was one of the first to try the OVA format. I get that it’s not as polished or interesting as the stuff he put out over the next several years, but I think it first establishes some of the themes and tropes he explores in his later work.
I love how so many works of fiction in the past just assumed there's going to be WW3 with nuclear weapons and built on top of that. There's rarely any dwelling on the how or why, it just happened and we moved on like nothing happened.
Hey, if you didn't read Genocidal Organ I highly recommend it to you. Basically the OAV removes about half of the book and make it waaaaaaay more sanitized for mass consumption. And the epilogue is more ambiguous. Same thing for , the book has a bit more content and different ending. is also very interesting stylisticly given just how it's written and this is something that can't be animated. PS : fair word of warning for Genocidal Organ, it's dark and because of how dark it is it was kind of a hard read even after having watched the movie adaptation.
What is the Ghost in the Shell as seen at 13:10? I don't recall seeing that one before! When did it come out? Its series name (other than the GITS part I mean)?
There were many cyberpunk influences before Blade runner came out in 1982. Metropolis is, for example, classic cyberpunk, except it was not called that and, sort of, it ended well. Closer to what we understand as cyberpunk is the French comics which were popular in the 1970’s and which resulted in the movie, Heavy metal in 1981. The 2nd story in the movie, Harry Canyon, is a classic high tech, low life story. This in turn was based on The Long Tomorrow by Mobius, which was first published in 1976 in the magazine Metal Hurlant.
the genre was only coined as a term in 1980, Metropolis is a very influential scifi work but i can't say it's part of a genre that hadnt been formed yet, also I do bring up The long tomorrow in this video i'm pretty sure which is defo a place of influence visually that cyberpunk works took from self admitted
Some other anime's which fit into the cyberpunk genre is Ergo Proxy (2006), UnGo (2011), AEon Flux (1991), Darker than Black (2007), Girls last Tour (2018) and Psycho Pass (2012).
@@Stevem I'll need to check my dad's basement out the next time I visit him to confirm, but I could have sworn that the VHS tape only had a single episode on it (maybe 20 minutes? I remember them being short) instead of 2-3 episodes per VHS like all the other anime released at the time. It was the same price as the others but a surprisingly short amount of content.
If we do get a Oshii video. I'll be psyched only because I love the Urusei Yatsura and Patlabor franchises. Be i would love more insight into Angel's Egg (can't wait for the physical copy to release), GITS and Jin-Roh.
yeah im going with likely a 10 video approach that will then be turned into one long video maybe with some extended sections, total Panzer Cop franchise will be covered, both GITS & Angel's Egg which i will be seeing in theatres this month
I finally got around to watching Armitage III this year and loved it. With respect to newer works, Cyberpunk Edgerunners was also fantastic. Metallic Rouge was a rare miss for the genre due to its convoluted story.
The 2023 French Mars Express film, made by the team behind LastMan S1, owns a lot to the cyberpunk anime of the 80s to 00s. An easy recommendation but packs an insane amount into under 90 minutes. Surprised that Texhnolyze or Ergo Proxy were MIA but you can´t name them all.
yeah it hasnt been released here yet, basically yeah you cant name them all i had plenty of examples i didnt really know where theyd come in outtside i think i gave a visual example to texholyze becasue of the writer
@@Stevem About half of LastMan is set in a cyberpunk future. S2 ends right before the main comic begins, Image has 66% of the volumes translated so far into English but we Germans got it way earlier. It's one of the bleakest and most violent animated shows ever with the main villain basically becoming French Griffith in S2. The comic is less dark (still edgy AF later on) and has a legit cyberpunk aesthetic whereas the show is more post-cyberpunk. S3 is in the works.
@@Stevem Jérémie Périn directed S1 of Lastman and the DyE: Fantasy music video that got his foot in the door a few years ago. S2 had to change up creatives due to Mars Express eating half the staff but S2 looks better than S1. One of the eps in S2 is a Running Man parody, well not really. It plays is straighter than the film despite the heavy satire. Another ep was basically Primal as a New French Extremity horror film with Genocyber levels of gore. The weebs don´t know what they are missing. The 8.5 on IMDb ain´t no lie.
I loved the Genocidal Organ adaptation, One shocking scene that stands out was the "Masked" operator still participating in a firefight after being Dismembered in a helo crash. I also see the similarity of it's plot with MGS4 and makes me wonder If the game was inspired by the late author's work who was long time friends with Hideo Kojima and that the Novel was written around the time of the 2007 Troop Surge. The "Masking" tech in G.O and MGS4's S.O.P system are identical in function.
Likes for Oshii Retrospective?
SOURCES
docs.google.com/document/d/19b-KleFMYFM6XfC4zCpf5bya92_3NgJtazOS2NOqX4Y/edit?usp=sharing
Anime & footage
Genocidal Organ
Blade Runner
Neuromancer
Dangerous Days: Making Blade Runner
Akira
Burst City
SHUFFLE (シャッフル)
megazone 23
bubblegum crisis
Goku Midnight Eye
Cyber City Oedo 808
AD Police
Angel Cop
Dominion Tank Police
Harmagedon
Construction Cancellation Order
Little Nemo pilot
Tetsuo The Iron Man
'Manga!' BBC TV Special
GITS PS1 Game
Ghost in the Shell
Roujin z
Black Magic M-66
Key The Metal Idol
Battle Angel Alita
Armitage III
REAL DRIVE
A.D. Police Files
Parasite Dolls
METROPOLIS
Animatrix
The Matrix
Blame
Alien
Blame! Prologue
Serial experiments Lain
Innocence
Baldr_Force_EXE
Download
Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex
Paprika
Dennou Coil
Appleseed (2004)
Memories
Spiritied Away
Steam Boy
Freedom
Electric Dragon 800000V (1999)
Rideback
Ghost in the Shell Arise
Psycho-Pass
Blame 2017
Deus Ex Human Revolution
BLADE RUNNER 2049
Alita Battle
Ghost In The Shell (2017)
BLADE RUNNER 2049 - Black Out
Altered Carbon
Terminator-zero
BLADE RUNNER BLACK LOTUS
Ghost in the Shell SAC_2045
Cyberpunk Edgerunners
Cyberpunk 2077
Rick Roderick on Baudrillard - Fatal Strategies
starwars arcade game
CNN Gulf War coverage
MGS4
MGS2
MGSV
Snatcher
Metallic Rouge
Pluto
Music
snatcher audio
T-9508G_MX1
One Night In Neo Kobe City
Karl Casey - Dark Synthwave Collection Vol. 2 - 14 Wicked City
Nihilore - Katabasis
Umurangi Generation
i cri in da club
The Bottom Barrel Baby Boys
Silver Gate
Kusabi
Kusabi (2nd ver.)
Furuya (Unused, 1st ver.)
smt3 Jewelry RAG
mgs4 Love Theme
I love oshii so much so that's something I'd absolutely go crazy over. It would be awesome if you went into some of the live action films he worked on too like Avalon
Great video, man! Question: what's the track that starts playing at 9:34? I've looked through your music list, but I couldn't find it.
@@TheDigitalArcanist katabasis
@@Stevem Ha, ok, but like, there's a band named Katabasis, and multiple bands who have done a track named Katabasis, and I haven't found the one you used yet, lol.
@@TheDigitalArcanistto be honest I lost the name of the group myself lol but just found it, it's a free song under the artist nihilore
It never fell off. Just wasn’t long enough. We need more cyberpunk anime
no let it remain a cult classic vibe
I don’t even know if you can say it fell off if it won Anime of the Year over Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan. It was big, everyone watched it, more anime came out. We aren’t going to watch the same anime over and over again until we die. There’s more to see.
@@creatorsfreedom6734 Elevate it to Cowboy Bebop status? Smart.
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"It never fell off" TRUUUUUU It's never been on. How is there a Rise and fall of something that hasn't been up yet?!!?!
Cyberpunk deserves a _Renaissance_
who knows what the future brings
Wasn't that kind of how they sold the Deus Ex prequels?
No it does not. We have an oversaturation of the genre in media, and the genre itself has been appropriated by the kind of organisations that it speaks against.
Like a _Second Renaissance_ ?
It never fell. Throughout the years, I've seen movies and stories that are undoubtedly cyberpunk. I see it even more in recent years.
You're slowly turning into Kavinsky.
lol
There was an old 90's American animated show called Spicy City that came out in 1997. It was on HBO and was created by cult American animator Ralph Bakshi (Fritz the Cat, Wizards, American Pop, Lord of the Rings, Cool World) and was all Cyberpunk. I remember one episode being about two people meeting in a virtual space who fell in love but were complete opposites in real life. They ended up dying but had their memories and souls kept alive in the virtual program. Very cool stuff even back then.
i guess at the times there were a fair few american or otherwise cyberpunk shows like Aeon Flux etc
Moenvision is a yt channel that posted spicy city if u want to rewatch.
After reading this comment I watched all of Spicy City, it really is cyber punk of the hood. I find funny how an episode like "Manos hands" is played out, a Japanese animation with that same story line would have been more existential. In spicy city its just a mafia misadventure hahahaha
I believe it was aired on Adult Swim, the late night programming on CARTOON NETWORK.
As always, you produce top-quality content. I'm constantly looking forward to when a new video drops. Well done, my man!
Thank yoU!
You’re always outdoing yourself on every video man. I don’t think it’s about how good it does viewer wise (even though that does majorly help) but the amount of time & energy you put into every topic.. it’s astonishing. You are an inspiration & I’m not even working in the same field 😅
I appreciate that!
Cyberpunk seems to be getting more real every day. It really fully stopped being science fiction over a decade ago, and it's just regular fiction now.
Outstanding video. This is a real gateway into this genre of anime for me, having only really watched a few including animatrix. I literally went throigh and wrote down every anime you referenced so I can go and start checking them out!!
Really wish this video got to the 10k likes... An Oshii retrospective would be amazing.. talking about some of my favorite anime of the 90s and early aughts.. always appreciate your historical perspectives.. keep up the great work.
You brought up every single cyberpunk ova, movie, or series i’ve ever seen. I love your videos.
Thank you,
There's probs more to mention texhnolyze, azuma drive, ergo proxy etc but I tried to show an eclectic selection
I can't describe how important BGC was to my entrance into anime and into cyberpunk. The knight Sabers have a really outsized influence on my own interests or my own artistic interests even now.
I’m not even finished with this video yet, but I have to write this: this is an incredible essay.
Everything about it. I don’t know how you don’t have a million subscribers. You are criminally underrated. Please keep making content, and I’m going to tell everyone I know about your channel!
Thanks so much, that kinda stuff really helps so i appreciate it !
I worked part time at a video store in the early 90's. Manga was being marketed to video rental throughout the U.S. and the tie ins with comic books announced when Cyberpunk films would hit theatres. Believe me, the producers knew what markets they were going after. The response from the public was predictable, but product had a hard time keeping up with demand. I had to travel from Rochester, N.Y. to Cleveland, Ohio just to see the premiere of AKIRA. And that was shown at a planetarium. Very cool ! Later on new companies started handling distribution to get product into the hands of customers.
that sounds quite nice, to watch the film is a planetarium, but yeah they also knew what they were doing over here they actively insighted some controversies for publicity
A series about Oshii would be awesome
you know what to do !
His recent anime series The Fire Hunter had epic worldbuilding and characters but was tragically under-funded and the inconsistent animation art and frequent use of still images shows. Still worth a watch IMO
@@hitachicordobait wasn't technically his but he had a part in the production it was an adaptation but one without a production committee hence why it was a fairly limited show
I'll watch it fanatically
@@Stevem that's interesting info, it was only anime worth watching last year, it was somewhat convoluted but enjoyable (it's hard to find relatable anime when you're in the late 30s, like I don;t want to wrap myself up in the nostalgia cocoon and on the other hand, I'm not teenager anymore and there's full blown up war right beside the border)
Really cool video. I’ve been developing my own cyberpunk project for a few years now, and I love videos like this that give context to the genre, both so I can pay homage to the greats while avoiding ground that’s already well tread
Well I hope it can help 🤞
It is always worth waiting for the next Stevem video.
Thanks for the shout out! 🙇
Any time!
your videos are incredible, I love the way you narrate and how you manage to put a bunch of information in such short videos (I know for some 35 mins may seem like long in nowadays internet but these are complex topics that cover more than 40 years of history, sumarizing that in 35 minutes is definitely hard). Keep it up!! When I find a new job I'll join your patreon!! (Nowadays the argentinian peso is pretty fucked up to pay monthly in us dollars lmao)
I appreciate the comment and support thank you very much !
@@Stevem I found a job and I joined!!!!!!! I got in the lowest tear cause I'm still payed in a weak currency but hey, I said I'd do it. Hope you can buy a coffee or smt hahahah sorry
Thank you for covering Project Itoh and GENOCIDAL ORGAN. I'm re-reading the novel and it remains one of the most chilling SF novels I've ever read. Its sequel, HARMONY, was the last full novel Itoh wrote before he passed away in 2009.
It didn't fell of its still good i hope for a season 2 where it follows another group
Great video man, a lot of work and research put into it
I’ve used your videos like a quasi fine arts survey course over the past couple years; the ones you select are in my opinion; are usually the best entry into that genre. The first anime I picked to watch at the age of 30 was Knights of Sidonia; that was a few years ago. Just wanted to say your efforts are much appreciated. You always have a few that I haven’t seen yet; and they’re always worth checking out.
Glad you're digging it there's probs more worth checking out than what I could stack in here of course!
Knights was my first anime too! Also around 30.
I really liked it at first, but then it got just… super weird about women. By season 2 it felt like a harem thing and I had to just check out. A shame it didn’t stick to such a compelling premise instead of… what ever it became
Mate your conclusion here was fantastic, and gave me so much to consider with respect to the new cyberpunk paradigm. Thank you so much. You legend
great stuff as always, thanks stevem
Very welcome!!!!
Thank you oh so much for putting the sources of these clips. Not nearly enough people do that
youre welcome!
I feel like you touched on this briefly but watching this and noticing (now that you brought it up) the significant drop in cyberpunk anime it really does fell like maybe one of the big reasons we moved from cyberpunk is because we've already reached and to a degree surpassed the genre and its a nostalgia... but not for the 80's genre but for a time when we could look at this fantastical dystopian future rather than the disappointing dystopian reality we're stuck in.
Like if medical costs are so exorbitant I really need a street doc the least I can get is cybernetic arm out of it, but no - all we get is Canadian insulin
trends are always moving for sure
It's a colourful world - even in Cyberpunk.
Fascinating stuff. Cheers.
as always, thank you for a wonderful video! this might be my favourite genre of all time (put neon lights and give me corporate/class struggle and im there), and i was so excited to see the release on patreon. a really cool dive into the genre's history, and definitely have a few things to check out.
As a cyberpunk fan since the late 80s, I can recommend some recent anime: Blade Runner Blackout 2022 and Black Lotus, Akudama Drive, Vivy Fluorite Eyes, The Gene of AI, Yurei Deco, Deca-Dence, Altered Carbon: Resleeved, Pluto and less recently Time of Eve, Planetarians and Ergo Proxy
You're very welcome!
Thank you.. this video is so amazing.. seeing all the anime listed took me back to my childhood.. in the UK, anime in the 80's and early 90's was such a small niche genre, I was absolutely addicted and would try and get my hands on as much as possible.. I wonder whether there could be a cyberpunk renaissance.
Don't know really the popular ips are still going but it would depend on wheres the money and staff coming from
You are really a quality anime channel. Both in production, and most importantly: research.
Thank you!
This cyberpunk era is why I can barely watch most anime. It set the bar high.
Long time fan of the genre, read lots of novels and I have a nice collection of cyberpunk anime, you got a new subscriber right here...by the way I respect someone who remembers Armitage III
Glad you enjoyed
Hell yeah man I'm gonna look a lot of these up. I haven't explored this genre much since my mid 20s
hope you enjoy!
@@Stevem blame mentioned! Immensely!
I will always love the work you put into these man, I know it must take a lot of time and effort, absolutely love the sketches and narration as well, keep it coming
thank you!!!!!
Just realized I've been following your videos for years. Awesome stuff man keep it up 👍🏿
thank you!!!
I think I'm gonna watch every video you mentioned to refresh all the feelz & zeel.
good luck!
My favourite genre made by my favourite youtuber
glad you enjoyed
Dennou Coil mentionned, I'm so happy, this work is fondamental to all my thinking about technology
As far as AR in anime it's certainly one of the most interesting
@@Stevem I love how the series elaborates on an idea that beyond our understanding of the techology there is a layer of supernatural. (A bit like Dimension W, a sci-fi manga/anime)
yeah its kinda interesting how tech mixes with folklore, even that shrines are free of certain influence
Fantastic video as always. I think the appeal of cyberpunk even beyond the detective noir is that one can take a true story and apply fictional/fantastical elements to emphasize the bleak reality. Thanks to its future setting, unlike fantasy which is usually set in the past, this seems plausible and we are more receptive of it.
I recently watched Dennou Coil and loved it. And at the time (2004 methinks?) I think the glasses could have been an imagining of if we were actually able to fit a computer on our head and the addiction of computer usage which I think was already there in 2004. Of course there are many other themes, but I want to point out that the cyberpunk element takes
something real (computers) and imagines it as future technology. Surprisingly today, there are genuine attempts in AR technology. I suppose that most of these hyperreal anime genuinely try to warn us of something based on the roots that the creators see taking place.
most of time theyre more wrong then right, but when theyre right we pay attention
So many classics displayed. Amazing video
Thanks so much!!
I love how I always learn some new shit every time I watch one of your videos
I'm glad!
Your probably the first TH-camr I've ever heard mention Malice@doll! I picked that up a few years ago from a CEX, not knowing anything about it. But when I saw that Chiaki Konaka worked on it (Serial Experiment Lains, Armitage III, Vampire Princess Miyu etc) I was immediately intrigued. Have to say it's quite the underrated, misunderstood and trippy gem. I think some people may have criticized the ps1 looking animation, until you realise they were actually playing into the limitations of CGI at the time to create a kinda Stop-motion-esk CGI look, that seems appropriate given the setting and the Androids being in states of disrepair - thus their clunky walks etc. Definitely an animation worthy of discussion. Great video, I enjoyed watching! :)
yeah they wanted it to look like Czech animation, they also draw on the top, it creates a unique look
@@Stevem oh awesome! So kind of like Jan Svankmajer's "Alice" from 1988(?) The stop motion in that was sure unsettling. An oh right okay, I did notice more of a drawn look towards the end of Malice@doll, especially some of the close-ups, and the end sequence where she is flying away, looked visually fantastic. Never knew thats how they pulled it off though, and great to see them trying to innovate like that. I'd love to see a high resolution version.
@@AniFAE_Productions there's a dvd version but that's a question i suppose it all depends if they still have the masters and files from the show or not if so they could rerender them out at a higher res if not making a hd version becomes a bit tricky
Ugh, your video essays/informationals are SO GOOD! You deserve more followers but I'm glad to see a healthy Patreon community. Do what you love! Keep it up!
thanks for the support!
Its your first compilation video where i have seen everything, even that red rouge
quite the accomplishment since there's a lot of titles and clips in this video
Great video. All those early cyberpunk titles need to be on streaming services.
Maybe some are depending on the county but honestly no clue always good to find a copy somewhere though
In the states you can find a some of them on Retro Crush
Bruh this is perfect im having terrible dental pain so this is perfectly timed i can forget about it and chill
I prescribe copious amounts of whisky applied to affected area as needed.
hope it helpss
Fantastic deep dive as always! I always learn things that I didn't even know I didn't know from these videos. While also the information feels familiar and friendly. Can't wait for the next one
glad you enjoyed!
Thanks for this very well made quality feature, man.
No problem!
Fall??? No ive been waiting for more of this !!
Thanx for the good work. Many times I'd wonder if you would leave something out, only for it to show up a minute or so later, and then you'd go on to remind me of something I had forgotten about. =)
Glad you enjoyed!
When you were talking about Lain, which I still haven't seen, I wondered if you would mention Den-noh Coil. I only watched it last year but was surprised how many of its concepts are now pretty much available in VR and AR. I really liked its darker undertones, and how the soul or mind could be locked in a digital world, only for the body to be left as an empty vessel in the real world.
yeah its certainly concepts that have been around in fiction for a good while, though theyre a bit more doable now
Thanks for this! Loved your last vid! I have also live-translated huge parts of your last Ghibli video to my 10year old son (English 2 Finnish). Keep up the great work!
That is awesome! hope they enjoyed
Ridley Scott was in Hong Kong a few months before starting to work on Blade Runner. The rainy dark city is really LA in a not too far Future. I remember the influence of Japan in the early 80's. The future was dirty and worn in Scotts's vision.
He's made some ungraceful remarks about his time there for sure
Some woke American journalist: Asian depiction in cyberpunk media is racist and bigoted!
Japan: this is literally us
And yes I do remember reading some article in Kotaku where they were criticising Cyberpunk2077 and the cyberpunk genre for always using Asian inspired cities as backdrops for cyberpunk dystopias.... Not taking into account that if you're looking for reference for a futuristic city, you're going to go to places in the world where the cities indeed look futuristic, and many such cities exist in Asia, Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, Shanghai etc.
Beautiful video
thank you ^^
As always great video Steve. Keep up the great work
(I don’t know why but the sound in this video is extra clean and crisp. I like it)
I was softer on post processing the audio i guess the preamp does and interface do most of the work so I just work on the levels now
Bro you got that Cyberpunk lighting going on too?
That's like, the one time the 'streamer' setup finally makes sense.
streaming the modern horrors of mankind
Hella interesting Video and good work. Thanks for this!
thank yoU!
This was not the video I thought it was would be watching but the video that I didn’t know I needed to see 👍 great video
thank you!"
I just recently started playing cyberpunk- figured it was a finished product finally- and it has pulled me into the genre. I had watched edgerunners previously and ADMITTEDLY I have adored the tie-ins. But it's not like the game doesn't stand on its own (now). I want to check out some of these older works you're bringing up- I vaguely remember seeing some of them as a younger lad. It's a difficult genre sometimes though when reality is beginning to feel closer and closer to cyberpunk.
Is exgerunners set before or after the game?
I’m planning to play the game for the first time using he VR mod once the PSVR2 PC adapter comes out in a month or so. I’d watch the show, but don’t want any game spoilers since I’ve dodged them this long
it's set before i think
@@Stevem thanks!
Well done on yet another banger. Admittedly I wasn’t totally familiar with the genre outside of a few obvious things but this has certainly piqued my interest. I’m definitely going to watch some of the examples you’ve shown here.
Im glad it peaked your interest !
Excellent vid my dude just one request - increase the gain on your microphone, your voice is super muted.
All those great anime could never be made in current Japan, how sad...
they were barely made during the time periods frankly
@@Stevem the closer our reality comes to that dystopia, the more people prefer to be isekaied.
Also, waiting for a let's play of metal gear 3 delta, when it comes out :)
@@lupinsensei7456 youll never catch me playing that lol
@@Stevem I know, it was a joke
@@lupinsensei7456 I was just thinking about that. Theres like 2 constants.... 1. the big trend at the time actually sucked, but 2. in the context of things, makes perfect sense. The 90s were a period of explosive experimentation following a period "complacency" for lack of a better word. The "Punk" in Cyberpunk being the embodiment of postulations for technology upsetting the norms of a stable, but arguably stifling period in history.
Now that technology, despite still advancing at a rapid pace, its creating a new form of cultural stagnation. Fantasy is escapism; hopeful at best, toxic at worst. Popular in times of strife. Science Fiction, and the various punk sub-genres, are often cautionary in nature. Hopeful at best, prophetic at worst. Popular in times of stability, when we don't know what to do with ourselves.
So color me surprised when the top 2 anime for this year are Slice of Life Fantasy anime, both being a direct response to the trend of isakai power fantasy.
I can easily see this coming full circle back to SciFi again, when we're done wishing for the presumed simplicity of fantasy settings (see cottage core).
your art is getting better. Great work on the video.
Thank you very much!
Saying cyberpunk is dead is the same as saying the mobster genre in cinema is dead, or rock/punk/disco is dead. The aesthetic may be a husk because the original values don’t translate anymore in relation to our reality. That doesn’t mean it’s dead. Rock is still around, in very different clothing (Strokes latest album) and message (IDLES entire discography).
The same will happen to cyberpunk.
When people talk about the death in genre they usually aren't talking literally but the original ethos like when people say "punk is dead"
@@Stevem I know, but that’s as reductive as saying history died as well
Oshii but you need to do a follow up when Angel's Egg drops in western theatres
You mean a rerelease, or is there a very ill advised live action remake looming that I haven't heard of?
I say "ill-advised" because, while I love that anime movie, and, yes, there are ways to adapt it successfully, I very much doubt anyone with the money needed would be interested in doing it justice. :)
Well I don't live in the states so I don't know what I'll be bringing to that but I will be going to see a showing in Australia next month
@@jmalmstenthe license was picked up expect a short us theatre release into a Blu-ray home release
i feel like cyberpunk anime went crazy from the 80's-90's and then fell off the face of the earth and then edgerunners came out of fucking nowhere and now we're back to the cyber-drought
thanks for making this specially for me
lol youre welcome
Good video, but the truth about cyberpunk is that its true backbone lies not in media but in the TTRPG. Some periods will be more lively than others, but as long as the TTRPG keeps thriving, the genre as a whole will survive.
TTRPGs are a particular niche for those interested, but they aren't exactly the cultural centre of which where the genre formed so it didn't really seem worth mentioning here too much
Very good review of these cyberpunk works; would add Silent Möbius as well
10 episodes was perfect, such great short story telling
its interesting if you look at the popularities of genre in different regions, its often tied to the current economic states of those countries. Things like the classic monsters like vampires, zombies, and wear wolfs rotate in popularity, even things like cyberpunk, sci-fi, phantasy, horror, they are all cyclic, though I would make the argument that cyberpunk never truly fades away during the other cycles. Its always there, being what it is, repressed but never quite out. Your right in saying that it serves as a warning more than anything else, and often times its a warning not headed as we drive seemingly head long into it.
Great stuff. Hello from Glasgow
Hello there!
Oshii video please😎. He is my favorite director!
I second this comment. Oshii's work is a cut above the rest
You all know what to do like the video and force your friends to like the video lol
I never even watch anime but I never miss a Stevem video. Strange but true
Interesting conundrum lol
@@Stevem Just here for the cool chill vibes mate. Even a non-anime watcher knows these videos are well-made!
@@milquetoastedwell I'll take it as a compliment glad you're enjoying it 😄
I've seen and read literally every piece of media in the genre. I have played the TTRPG almost every week of my life since like 2018. I'm fucking desperate for more
I'm in my late thirties.
Just about old enough to have gotten to experience the cyberpunk genre as a cool, but somber warning of the future,
to it becoming irrelevant due to our civilization speedrunning into becoming just that kind of dystopia.
i guess the signs were already there back then too
You've reminded me to watch Metallic Rouge. Thanks.
It's a bit contentious haha but it's interesting to see an new IP coming in
This was really good
thank you!
All hail to the most underrated channel on the platform
🎉
I’m glad you talked about Dennou Coil. I feel that series doesn’t get nearly enough attention or credit for its ideas and execution.
Edgerunners was a certified banger! Mardoc Scramble is also a hidden gem in the cyberpunk genre
i was thinking of mentioning the opening of mardoc scrambled but id already mentioned so many cityscape based things by that point
please i would KILL for an oshii video
you know what needs to be doneeeee
I would love to see an Oshii series. Nobody talks about Dallos despite its roll in starting the OVA boom.
it had a small role for sure though maybe overstated in some ways, dallos sold something like 8k per volume, which was much better than they might have expected though the real move to ova doesnt happen until 85
@@Stevem True. I mostly meant that it was one of the first to try the OVA format. I get that it’s not as polished or interesting as the stuff he put out over the next several years, but I think it first establishes some of the themes and tropes he explores in his later work.
@@jamesfreeman2758yeah I will be talking about it for sure
Beautifully done 👍
Thank you!
How you dare make me remember Snatcher soundtrack, by putting it in the background ;)
banging game
Great video dude!
Thanks!
New Stevem? Yeaaaaaaahhhhhhhh boi!
less gooooo
I love how so many works of fiction in the past just assumed there's going to be WW3 with nuclear weapons and built on top of that. There's rarely any dwelling on the how or why, it just happened and we moved on like nothing happened.
likely just a sideeffect of living through the cold war
Hey, if you didn't read Genocidal Organ I highly recommend it to you.
Basically the OAV removes about half of the book and make it waaaaaaay more sanitized for mass consumption. And the epilogue is more ambiguous.
Same thing for , the book has a bit more content and different ending. is also very interesting stylisticly given just how it's written and this is something that can't be animated.
PS : fair word of warning for Genocidal Organ, it's dark and because of how dark it is it was kind of a hard read even after having watched the movie adaptation.
i own the book for both, although i read both the book ending & movie endings back to back for a second run & it is all there in the movie at least
Greatness as always
thank you!!!
Please please please do a video about Oshii as he one of my fav anime directors.
you know what to do!
What is the Ghost in the Shell as seen at 13:10? I don't recall seeing that one before! When did it come out? Its series name (other than the GITS part I mean)?
it's from the ps1 game, which had some custom animated cutscenes that are much closer to the original manga
top content, as always!
thank you!
There were many cyberpunk influences before Blade runner came out in 1982. Metropolis is, for example, classic cyberpunk, except it was not called that and, sort of, it ended well. Closer to what we understand as cyberpunk is the French comics which were popular in the 1970’s and which resulted in the movie, Heavy metal in 1981. The 2nd story in the movie, Harry Canyon, is a classic high tech, low life story. This in turn was based on The Long Tomorrow by Mobius, which was first published in 1976 in the magazine Metal Hurlant.
the genre was only coined as a term in 1980, Metropolis is a very influential scifi work but i can't say it's part of a genre that hadnt been formed yet, also I do bring up The long tomorrow in this video i'm pretty sure which is defo a place of influence visually that cyberpunk works took from self admitted
Some other anime's which fit into the cyberpunk genre is Ergo Proxy (2006), UnGo (2011), AEon Flux (1991), Darker than Black (2007), Girls last Tour (2018) and Psycho Pass (2012).
Remembering Angel Cop as the series that sold a 15 minute episode on each VHS. Wild.
huh as in half and episode or was there something else on the tape
@@Stevem I'll need to check my dad's basement out the next time I visit him to confirm, but I could have sworn that the VHS tape only had a single episode on it (maybe 20 minutes? I remember them being short) instead of 2-3 episodes per VHS like all the other anime released at the time. It was the same price as the others but a surprisingly short amount of content.
@@thebunsenburner angel cop eps are like 25 mins to 30 mins i think but yeah wouldnt surprise me if there was only one on the tape
If we do get a Oshii video. I'll be psyched only because I love the Urusei Yatsura and Patlabor franchises. Be i would love more insight into Angel's Egg (can't wait for the physical copy to release), GITS and Jin-Roh.
yeah im going with likely a 10 video approach that will then be turned into one long video maybe with some extended sections,
total Panzer Cop franchise will be covered, both GITS & Angel's Egg which i will be seeing in theatres this month
I finally got around to watching Armitage III this year and loved it. With respect to newer works, Cyberpunk Edgerunners was also fantastic. Metallic Rouge was a rare miss for the genre due to its convoluted story.
ML felt like it whas trying to force a 24 episode outline of a 90's show into a 12 episode show.
Regardless of quality assessments I do think that it's interesting that bones would make an original IP in the genre
The 2023 French Mars Express film, made by the team behind LastMan S1, owns a lot to the cyberpunk anime of the 80s to 00s. An easy recommendation but packs an insane amount into under 90 minutes. Surprised that Texhnolyze or Ergo Proxy were MIA but you can´t name them all.
yeah it hasnt been released here yet,
basically yeah you cant name them all i had plenty of examples i didnt really know where theyd come in outtside i think i gave a visual example to texholyze becasue of the writer
@@Stevem About half of LastMan is set in a cyberpunk future. S2 ends right before the main comic begins, Image has 66% of the volumes translated so far into English but we Germans got it way earlier. It's one of the bleakest and most violent animated shows ever with the main villain basically becoming French Griffith in S2. The comic is less dark (still edgy AF later on) and has a legit cyberpunk aesthetic whereas the show is more post-cyberpunk. S3 is in the works.
@@residentgrigo4701 huh so the lastman have something to do with the staff of mars express i guess i see the connection
I loved Mars Express the ending kinda reminded me of how Her ended lol gotta checkout Lastman
@@Stevem Jérémie Périn directed S1 of Lastman and the DyE: Fantasy music video that got his foot in the door a few years ago. S2 had to change up creatives due to Mars Express eating half the staff but S2 looks better than S1. One of the eps in S2 is a Running Man parody, well not really. It plays is straighter than the film despite the heavy satire. Another ep was basically Primal as a New French Extremity horror film with Genocyber levels of gore. The weebs don´t know what they are missing. The 8.5 on IMDb ain´t no lie.
I loved the Genocidal Organ adaptation, One shocking scene that stands out was the "Masked" operator still participating in a firefight after being Dismembered in a helo crash. I also see the similarity of it's plot with MGS4 and makes me wonder If the game was inspired by the late author's work who was long time friends with Hideo Kojima and that the Novel was written around the time of the 2007 Troop Surge. The "Masking" tech in G.O and MGS4's S.O.P system are identical in function.
Id say kojimas read an earlier draft first I bet