It always amazed me how Valerie Harper had such a sustained, authentic New York City---Bronx--accent. It was stronger when she was Rhoda, on the MTM show, than on the Rhoda show. She was not a native New Yorker, as far as I know. She was a marvellous actress, and a wonderful person, according to so many people. I grew up watching V.H. on both sitcoms, starting when I was around 9 or 10 years old, and she was a real inspiration to me for many years.
...THIS changed my life, entirely...MANY years after this, I did something a bit nuts & flew to New Orleans...for some CDM coffee, in 1997....got a WHOOOLLLE lot more out of it, the long,tall love of my life and a couple more kids...ZERO regrets...do somethin’ crazy ONCE in your life kidz...;)!❤️
I wish Rhoda would stop begging Joe to come back. She is better alone, or can find somebody else. It degrades her when she keeps chasing him all the time.
Look up the reunion of Rhoda on Sally Jessy Raphael...even Joe is there...him and her (mostly her) explain why they think the show broke them up...I loved them as a couple 😢
I never really bought the idea of Joe suddenly not wanting to be married to her anymore. It seemed like it just came out of nowhere. But then again, I know from experience that you can have a relationship that can seem to be going good, and then suddenly it's over and you have no idea why it happened or what exactly you did wrong. But it still seems like his wanting to split up came out of nowhere... and suddenly Joe comes across as a jerk, who seems oblivious to Rhoda's feelings. He seemed to break up with her like it was no big deal. I didn't really buy that.
Yes indeed enjoy watching all these shows that I haven't seen for years and years. And I realize I don't like Joe at all. Rhoda was better off without him..R.I.P..valerie Harper..youll be missed
I'm 67, and I loved Rhoda. The fashions were similar to what I wore back then and still do. She enjoyed her weekend. Women back then, were supposed to be quiet and not have dreams.
The biggest problem with season 3 is that Nancy Walker and Harold Gould were on ABC this season. Rhoda did not have the parental support. I think Rhoda and Joe would have got back together if Ida provided guidance, I mean , interference.
I don't understand why this show never had much longevity. It was always great - there were not many bad episodes, or any! It lasted 4 1/2 seasons but then it was forgotten for years because it did not run much in reruns for years either. But not all that many people are enthusiastic about it. Then again, even Mary Tyler Moore herself regretted that her show also lost popularity and just showed its age faster than it should've.
So many people expect too much from their own lives, thinking the answer is somewhere else.I'm sure people who live in Paris or Hawaii get bored.What matters is that you are happy, satisfied, and content, even if all you are doing is eating Oreos, and reading a book.I don't have an exciting life, but I rarely feel bored.Rhoda must have money, to go to Paris.
She never had kids, lived in a rent controlled apartment, was a kick ass window dresser, there was no Covid 19, and Joe dumped her so I say she deserved and could afford the getaway
Oh, that awful ruffled bridesmaid dress! I once wore something worse. Picture it: Rainbow wedding with 6 bridesmaids (pink, blue, green, yellow, aqua, lavender), full length Maypole dance outfits complete with white pinafores (essentially aprons) with the final insult being what can only be described as dunce caps for hats. I wore yellow which isn't always a good color for a blond, and I ended up walking down the aisle with Ichabod Crane, the 19-yr-old cousin of the groom, 6'9" and about 130 lbs. Poor kid! I volunteered to walk with him since no one else would even consider it. I was the old married lady of the group (22). Very funny now. Not so much at the time.
Melanie Hamilton ....;)!! Great story and you sound like you were the bestest/most patient friend...Also...’Melanie Hamilton’...?...as in Melanie Hamilton Wilkes or is that just coincidence...;)?
u know they missed an opportunity here - they could have gotten a few episodes of her being in paris - throw in a little romance with someone there - he eventually moves to new york etc.
@@thesilentdiva From wikipedia - In the first episode of the third season during a particularly dramatic scene Joe leaves Rhoda and the two remain separated for the entire season, with Groh appearing in only nine of the season's episodes. A few weeks later, they mutually agree to see a marriage counselor where Joe reveals to a stunned Rhoda that he had never wanted to be married, and that he married her only because she had pressured him into it after he had invited her to live with him. Audiences were equally stunned and deserted the program in droves. Although the producers believed the plot development was essential, the fan response to Rhoda and Joe's separation was overwhelmingly negative and hostile. CBS was inundated with thousands of angry letters protesting the plot development, "Rhoda" and "Joe" received sympathy cards and letters of condolence, with Groh later reporting that he had received hate mail for as much as a year after the season had ended.
I'm going to say, even though it's been almost 50 years since I saw this episode, that it has about a minute or so of the scenes of her walking around "Paris edited out. I distinctly remember her strolling by herself sight seeing... Anybody else remember it that way?
Julie Kavner shines in every single episode, but this particular opener wherein she drinks the pancake batter sends me into a fit of giggles every time I watch it.
I was proud for Rhoda that she went to Paris, way to go! She doesn't need Joe, I always thought he was a downer. Plus, that mustache looked like it was glued on, and had a light dusting of powder over it.
Joe sucked as a partner for Rhoda!! Totally miscast!! Perfect husband for her would have been Alex Rieger,(Judd Hirsch), who just happened to be dating Rhoda later on in the series!! They waited too long, Hirsch would have been a perfect husband for Rhoda!!
Fernie Jackson: I couldn't disagree more about "the chemistry" between Harper/Rhoda and Groh/Joe, and that's something I've never heard anyone say before. The Joe character was poorly conceived and written from the beginning and David Groh lacked charisma and the comedic acting skills to keep up with the likes of Valerie Harper, Nancy Walker, Julie Kavner and Harold Gould. P.S.: I'm not sure "broadspectered" is a even a word in English, but if you mean that you think David Groh had a wide range as an actor, could you give some evidence that you think supports that?
Travis James The actor was NOT a problem on the set. Stop lying. He was let go because the writers couldn’t figure out how to write for a married Rhoda.
@@jaredjlinden INCORRECT!! HE WAS let go BECAUSE HE WANTED DIFFERENT STORY LINES!! Also the Suits thought Rhoda as a series would be better off without Joe!!
loeb95 The writers were terrible. A couple gets married and all of a sudden the writers run out of ideas of what to do with them? Nonsense. I read that the actor who played Joe had literally just bought a house right before they gave him the news that he was getting canned from the show. Poor guy. At that point, he & Rhoda were already separated but even he thought the separation was just temporary. Valerie Harper mentioned it in her book. I think the writers purposely made Joe's character seem more & more unlikeable so the audience wouldn't be upset that he was let go.
@@yolandagrady7232 I wondered if that was the case (of making his character unlikeable). First he demeans Rhoda by telling her she is dull, then he shows up with a few cheap carnations and tries to make her change her plans. Wow.
It was the producers who broke them up, they felt the show was better without him. I think the producers tried and succeeded to ruin the show. They are the ones who wanted her character to act that way. Even on Mary Tyler Moore show they wanted her character portrayed with a low self esteem.
One of my favorite episodes for some reason. I just love that Rhoda decides, "screw it!" and f**ks off to Paris for the weekend. I kind of wish Brenda went with her too. This episode inspires me to just do things some times. Also, I hate Joe and wish they had her single for season 1, date him for season 2, get married in season 3 and end with them happy and Brenda marrying in season 5. The divorce was just show ruining, as much as I hate Joe.
Adam P ...DO IT...;)! Just GO to ‘your Paris’, wherever and whatever it is, you won’t regret it...and IF you did, the ‘regret’of doing something that might not work out is SOOOO much less than the endless ‘what ifs’ of NOT having tried...;)
Yes,you are right...bigggggg mistake....they potrayed him once walking the sidewalk when she dated.....then drop her and nnot go back to her...lousy writers....I could write a better script...plus the writers copy alot of scenes from mary tyler moore...me and mom had a mary tyler moore show night.long night.....then next night rhoda....I noticed it then....I loved both shows
Dear Joe, Either sh*t or get off the pot. If you want Rhoda back, start acting like a man. Sweep her up into your arms and apologize for your games. Don't show up at the airport with flowers but no commitment. Go to Paris with her. Be a man. Dear writers of Rhoda, You know this was all your fault. You created Joe as a good guy. We want to hate Joe for what he did to Rhoda, but really, it's not his fault. It's yours. Now women 40 years later are left questioning their solid relationships. Because if Joe was that capable of a 180, no one's safe.
Exactly. Joe was good until they decided to drop him and split up the couple. They couldn’t have us blaming Rhoda, so they turned Joe into a creep and he got all the blame. The poor actor not only lost a job but apparently the public was harsh to him, confusing the actor with the character.
Dear Rhoda, Stop being a bitch. You want a husband but you want to play career woman too. You think being a feminist makes you Wonder Woman but it makes you a jerk. You want Joe back then treat him nice, stop bitching about everything, stop sharing your damn feelings about every issue. You need to tell your family to get the hell out of your house . Your insecurities are old news and they bore everyone ! Be a wife not a feminist bitch
I agree. I don't think it was in Joe's character to suddenly act like such a jerk... except the writers sadly decided to write him that way at that point.
I so tried to like this show when it aired but found it kinda depressing! And after all these years.... I still find it depressing! So much complaining and Focusing on the negative. Oh well will always love Valerie Harper!!!!!
Elaine Nardo and Tony Banta: characters from "Taxi" another James L. Brooks production that must have been named after the story editors of "Rhoda." Just noticed it in the ending credits.
oooh and originally Phyllis was supposed to be Marna lindstrom. Well, That name was used in the Lou Grant series as a witness or sorce for a Newspaper story.
THIS is the episode that I remember. Rhoda goes "to Paris----for the weekend!!! "Lets see if I'm right...…. ( course the title is a hint...BUT for the weekend ) 14:42 Yup!
Well my question is why did the writers change the whole Rhoda storyline from pilot. They went back to her lifestyle with MTM. And actually watching this series years later, the characters are so negative especially about themselves. I lost interest once Joe was written out. It was great seeing Rhoda move happily forward then the writers did a 360. The character Rhoda deserved to be happy & fulfilled. 😮
How ironic. Julie Kavner had never worked or even met him at this point. But, a decade later would appear in quite a few projects by Woody Allen. He called her a natural comedian. Who would've thought, huh?
OMG, my mother always told me: “Don’t ever make a man tell you twice that he doesn’t want you”. Joe has been continually telling Rhoda this for so long. Jeez, she calls him and wakes him up to ask him why he doesn’t want a relationship w her?! Episodes like this with this mindset is why women get so pathetic and learn so slowly - to never make a man tell you twice he doesn’t want you.
In a committed relationship - a marriage, especially - I don't know many people who take a one time "I don't want you" to be the final word. There is too much at stake. I've seen marriages go through some rough patches where one spouse said they wanted out, but they were eventually able to work it out and stayed together. Your mom's advice would mean the end of a lot of marriages that might otherwise be saved.
@@lisalu910 I agree. It's not like they were just casually dating. Then that would be different. But she married him and loved him, and she assumed he still loved her... so of course you would want to try for at least a few months to work it out. I wish I had tried harder to save my marriage. Maybe we could have gotten through the rough patch and still been together... who knows. But if I had any advice to give to anyone who is married (based on my own experience and regrets) is do everything you can to save a marriage... before you walk away from each other forever. I mean, unless there is verbal or physical abuse... or infidelities. But if you are simply having some regular kind of issues, don't just give up so easily. Even if one side seems like they want that (and I guess I came across that way in my own marriage), you should try to do everything you can, so that at least you can walk away knowing you tried your best. So many marriages call it quits too easily. And mine was a perfect example of that. It's the only regret I have ever had in my life. And it's something you never truly get over.
I wish I could do that! Just decide to hop a plane to Paris, and actually be able to do it. I'm with Brenda though... I wouldn't want to spend all that money just for a couple days. That would be like a tease, torture.. It would probably be better to not go at all than to just go for the weekend.. It would just leave you wanting more.
Emily Edwards I get what you're saying but I'd rather get a taste of Paris (or London, or wherever) than not see it at all. Besides, getting a glimpse would maybe inspire you to save for a real trip of a couple of weeks duration. I've been to Paris and would LOVE to go back. Same with London. Now, if I could only get to St. Petersburg (Russia, not Florida).
Rhoda was never dull! Joe was the dull one! She is a vivacious, fun, and always the most interesting woman you could ever meet! Rhoda, picked another loser and married him, poor choice as far as the writers are concerned. When he showed up at the airport with flowers for her, that was so ridiculous. He walks out on her and then comes in like gangbusters and is jealous because she is going to Paris and he tries to make her feel guilty because she may meet other men. Get over it Joe, while you are seeing other women!!! LOL!! I can't understand why she has to prove to him and validate her behavior to him. She never did it om the MTM show. Rhoda was Rhoda and that was it!!
Rhoda gave in too fast and too easily to Joe. She didn’t make him work for her. There was not thrill of the chase. Maybe that’s why he found her dull. But in general the writers could have done a better job with the character of Joe. Would have moved to see David Groh stay.
Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when he was 50 and she was 19, same deal as Soon-Yi and Woody Allen. He wasn't her father, barely saw her while she was growing up (she was Andre Previn's daughter) till she was in her late teens. Get over it!
Flying to Paris would not get me out of a rut, if I were in one. I'd worry about the expense. Good grief, I never knew anyone who lived the life of Frank Buck. Joe looks horrid with a mustache. Some men simply don't look good with one.
I met her four times. Believe me, her goodness and kindness shined. She had a light.
I would have loved to meet her. I always wondered if she wore her own clothes on the show. I know the girls on three's company did.
u a stalker?
You were very lucky.
Same, with husband.❤rip.
@@stumack9755🤡
RIP Valerie Harper. You were a good, decent, kind-hearted human being. The world was better with you in it.
Totally!
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Yep sure was.
How you know that ?
ouch...I hadn't known :(
I'd just wanted to marvel at how this show still amuses me. Acting is convincing too.
It always amazed me how Valerie Harper had such a sustained, authentic New York City---Bronx--accent. It was stronger when she was Rhoda, on the MTM show, than on the Rhoda show. She was not a native New Yorker, as far as I know. She was a marvellous actress, and a wonderful person, according to so many people. I grew up watching V.H. on both sitcoms, starting when I was around 9 or 10 years old, and she was a real inspiration to me for many years.
Valerie was a native New Yorker.
She could go to Minneapolis to see Mary. That would get her out of her rut.
Naw - that's more - going back in time rather than moving forward.
Brenda says , you can't be dull , if your dull I must be dead . That cracks me up 😀
...THIS changed my life, entirely...MANY years after this, I did something a bit nuts & flew to New Orleans...for some CDM coffee, in 1997....got a WHOOOLLLE lot more out of it, the long,tall love of my life and a couple more kids...ZERO regrets...do somethin’ crazy ONCE in your life kidz...;)!❤️
I LOVE this story (and not just because I'm from Louisiana). I'll think of you every time I think of Café Du Monde. Congratulations!
Suzanne Reilman beautiful story.
I did something like that. I took a vacation to San Diego for a whole week and it was amazing. I was by myself and i didn’t have any regrets either
@Diane Newman It is believable, in one of the episodes Rhoda had a couple of grand saved in her bank account. I don't recall her spending it.
@@bridgetnolan3947 She lent it to Joe for his company.
I wish Rhoda would stop begging Joe to come back. She is better alone, or can find somebody else. It degrades her when she keeps chasing him all the time.
Well they are married. It's Joe who is the loser.
Treasure Hunter UK yes she sounds desperate
Um, I think it was Joe chasing Rhoda in this episode.
@@Angelgirl44918 HE is chasing her. SHE gets on the plane. Desperate would be not getting on the plane.
@Cheryl Young No she's not. She's hurt. But in case you missed it? She got on the plane.
Joe was a man child and Rhoda was better off without him and his commitment issues. Too bad it takes her awhile to figure it out.
Rhoda made huge mistake when she married Joe... I made the same huge mistake when I married my husband...
I've never been married. I guess I'm like Joe!
@@horsespegasuses6609 oof. Me too. Coincidentally his name was Joe too.
@@davidsanderson5918 I hope not! Being single doesn’t make you like him!
Agreed!
I love that she said "Love is all around." That really made me smile. They quoted the theme song from The Mary Tyler Moore Show!!!
Danielle Aquila I was thinking that too. :)
Danielle Aquila to bad LOVE isn’t all around not in this world today I grew up in the 70’s best time ever !!!!
Me too. Made me smile.
I know! How in heck did that not get a laugh!!??
@@Angelgirl44918i agree and so did i.
Awww. Ben Stillers mom is the flight attendant. Ann Meara RIP 💔💔💔
Julie Kavner - one of the smartest people in show biz
Love Julie Kavner💕💕
Marge Simpson !
What a gig !
Valerie Harper did other sitcoms and even some made for tv movies. She was great too.
I was so worried she'd chicken out of going to Paris in the end. Glad she followed her instincts!
Meara was an amazing comedian Rest In Peace
But an airline stewardess? That didn't fit. But she was a good actress. 😊
@@RepentfollowJesus it does n todays world.
2019...RIP , Valarie Harper😚
*Valerie
I HATE the writers split them up for NO real reason
Look up the reunion of Rhoda on Sally Jessy Raphael...even Joe is there...him and her (mostly her) explain why they think the show broke them up...I loved them as a couple 😢
I never really bought the idea of Joe suddenly not wanting to be married to her anymore. It seemed like it just came out of nowhere. But then again, I know from experience that you can have a relationship that can seem to be going good, and then suddenly it's over and you have no idea why it happened or what exactly you did wrong. But it still seems like his wanting to split up came out of nowhere... and suddenly Joe comes across as a jerk, who seems oblivious to Rhoda's feelings. He seemed to break up with her like it was no big deal. I didn't really buy that.
"Ya see, I'm not dull anymore. Just stupid!" Great show, makes me laugh and cry.
So happy to see these episodes that I haven't seen since I was a kid...Look forward to watching the rest of them! Thanks for uploading them!
Yes indeed enjoy watching all these shows that I haven't seen for years and years. And I realize I don't like Joe at all. Rhoda was better off without him..R.I.P..valerie Harper..youll be missed
Me too !
You can't have it both ways, Joe.
Yes you can.
Rhoda was way too demanding.
She tried to change him.
Gotta accept people as they are, or walk away.
How could anyone think that Rhoda is dull? She's hot smart and fun to be around.
In the show what did they do as a couple that was fun?
She whines too much and talks too much
@@mircat28
Nothing...and WHAT is with the MooMoos???!!!!
Sure...men just LOVE that look!!!
@@oldyellerschannel4676 Women shouldn't be dressing for men.
an excuse
Love is all around referring to Mary Tyler Moore show!
I caught that to!❤️
the comedy really holds up. great writing, great cast.
Love that Brenda 😂
"How long have you been with Lufthansa?" ROFLMAO
Best line of the episode!
Woody Allen cast Julie Kavner in Hannah and Her Sisters because he was watching a rerun of Rhoda on tv one night and was very impressed by her.
I'll have to look for her 😄
She was also in Radio Days.
She was his assistant in one movie and the Mom in another.
Joe turned into a schmuck. I love that these reruns don't have ads.
I'm 67, and I loved Rhoda. The fashions were similar to what I wore back then and still do. She enjoyed her weekend.
Women back then, were supposed to be quiet and not have dreams.
Women were never
Quiet !
LOL
The biggest problem with season 3 is that Nancy Walker and Harold Gould were on ABC this season. Rhoda did not have the parental support. I think Rhoda and Joe would have got back together if Ida provided guidance, I mean , interference.
Teresa Pflaumer ....IKR..? Ida Morgenstern was nonpareil...;)!!
@@suzannereilman4516 they tried for their own show..... it failed
It was a ratings decision !
Happy couples are boring I guess.
I don't understand why this show never had much longevity. It was always great - there were not many bad episodes, or any! It lasted 4 1/2 seasons but then it was forgotten for years because it did not run much in reruns for years either. But not all that many people are enthusiastic about it. Then again, even Mary Tyler Moore herself regretted that her show also lost popularity and just showed its age faster than it should've.
Such a classic episode....God Love them all....Julie K. and Valerie H......
I think that Rhoda was so smart and amazing. Ann Meara was so brilliant performer, and never to be forgotten . Great writing is right Fay I agree.
Brenda looked gorgeous
And funny..... I drank pancakes.
LOL
Yeah she finally lost weight and looked good
In this 3rd season, what happened to Rhoda's window dressing job, her office, Myrna? It's like it all just disappeared.
“I drank pancakes.” I laughed so, so hard at that!! 🤣🤣🤣
So many people expect too much from their own lives, thinking the answer is somewhere else.I'm sure people who live in Paris or Hawaii get bored.What matters is that you are happy, satisfied, and content, even if all you are doing is eating Oreos, and reading a book.I don't have an exciting life, but I rarely feel bored.Rhoda must have money, to go to Paris.
She never had kids, lived in a rent controlled apartment, was a kick ass window dresser, there was no Covid 19, and Joe dumped her so I say she deserved and could afford the getaway
You know what they say?
Wherever you go there you are.
Lol
she said she was in Hawk for $1,000
Oh, that awful ruffled bridesmaid dress! I once wore something worse. Picture it: Rainbow wedding with 6 bridesmaids (pink, blue, green, yellow, aqua, lavender), full length Maypole dance outfits complete with white pinafores (essentially aprons) with the final insult being what can only be described as dunce caps for hats. I wore yellow which isn't always a good color for a blond, and I ended up walking down the aisle with Ichabod Crane, the 19-yr-old cousin of the groom, 6'9" and about 130 lbs. Poor kid! I volunteered to walk with him since no one else would even consider it. I was the old married lady of the group (22). Very funny now. Not so much at the time.
Melanie Hamilton ....;)!! Great story and you sound like you were the bestest/most patient friend...Also...’Melanie Hamilton’...?...as in Melanie Hamilton Wilkes or is that just coincidence...;)?
Oh that Brudesmaid dress! I wore one JUST like it in 1975! Hat and everything. Same color blue also.
A real 1970s bridesmaid dress & hat
Thank you for keeping Rhoda aliv
Boy that Joe turned out to be a real jerk and I bet he was seeing other women during their separation time. 😡
Oh ya he definitely must have been seeing other women if he felt Rhoda was dull...
Boy that rhoda tuned out to be a real feminist bitch and I bet she complained every second during their marriage
I think sadly the writers wrote him that way at that point. And I never really bought it.
He just decided one day that he doesn't want to be married. Joe was happy "dating"
Rhoda. 😢
I have a couple of those floppy hats. One In each color these women wore getting off the plane. Love them
u know they missed an opportunity here - they could have gotten a few episodes of her being in paris - throw in a little romance with someone there - he eventually moves to new york etc.
This whole season is just one heartbreak after another. I *hate* what the writers did to Joe. Apparently, David Groh did, too.
The viewers weren't very happy about it either - the show tumbled from #7 in season two, to #32 in season three.
@@SweptAway529 Neither was Valerie Harper
Yeah I just discovered this series this year and I'm not even happy with it.... The hell were they thinking....
@@SweptAway529 yes it totally ruined the show. Very bad decision
@@thesilentdiva From wikipedia - In the first episode of the third season during a particularly dramatic scene Joe leaves Rhoda and the two remain separated for the entire season, with Groh appearing in only nine of the season's episodes. A few weeks later, they mutually agree to see a marriage counselor where Joe reveals to a stunned Rhoda that he had never wanted to be married, and that he married her only because she had pressured him into it after he had invited her to live with him.
Audiences were equally stunned and deserted the program in droves. Although the producers believed the plot development was essential, the fan response to Rhoda and Joe's separation was overwhelmingly negative and hostile. CBS was inundated with thousands of angry letters protesting the plot development, "Rhoda" and "Joe" received sympathy cards and letters of condolence, with Groh later reporting that he had received hate mail for as much as a year after the season had ended.
Joe looks like Mike Brady!
Mike Brady was much more attractive than Joe.
@Diane Newman Ha ha! You don't think so? Maybe it's just me. :)
Haaaa haaaa he does....
We didn't get to see any Paris so disappointing
I would've liked to have seen her have a whirlwind romance and maybe a shot at the fashion world in Paris.
I'm going to say, even though it's been almost 50 years since I saw this episode, that it has about a minute or so of the scenes of her walking around "Paris edited out.
I distinctly remember her strolling by herself sight seeing...
Anybody else remember it that way?
Julie Kavner shines in every single episode, but this particular opener wherein she drinks the pancake batter sends me into a fit of giggles every time I watch it.
When it was cheap to fly and much less complicated pre 9-11
She's not dull! Agh, joe 😒
Kass Ayala ikr
If she doesn't know that, then it doesn't matter.
Good riddance Joe.
Me and grandma love watching this old TV show is cool👈👍👍
I was proud for Rhoda that she went to Paris, way to go! She doesn't need Joe, I always thought he was a downer. Plus, that mustache looked like it was glued on, and had a light dusting of powder over it.
Joe sucked as a partner for Rhoda!! Totally miscast!! Perfect husband for her would have been Alex Rieger,(Judd Hirsch), who just happened to be dating Rhoda later on in the series!! They waited too long, Hirsch would have been a perfect husband for Rhoda!!
Ironically, Julie Kavner was in Hannah & Her Sisters with Woody.
And the Mom in Radio Days (1987)
Removing Joe was a big mistake! The chemistry was great between Groh and Harper. Also he was such a broadspectered actor
Fernie Jackson The actor was allegedly a prob on the set. He was let go.
Fernie Jackson: I couldn't disagree more about "the chemistry" between Harper/Rhoda and Groh/Joe, and that's something I've never heard anyone say before. The Joe character was poorly conceived and written from the beginning and David Groh lacked charisma and the comedic acting skills to keep up with the likes of Valerie Harper, Nancy Walker, Julie Kavner and Harold Gould. P.S.: I'm not sure "broadspectered" is a even a word in English, but if you mean that you think David Groh had a wide range as an actor, could you give some evidence that you think supports that?
Travis James The actor was NOT a problem on the set. Stop lying. He was let go because the writers couldn’t figure out how to write for a married Rhoda.
Jared Linden That’s not what was said at the time. Who knows?
@@jaredjlinden INCORRECT!! HE WAS let go BECAUSE HE WANTED DIFFERENT STORY LINES!! Also the Suits thought Rhoda as a series would be better off without Joe!!
That bridesmaid dress. Make it pink and it’s Rachel from Friends!!!
Exactly!
Friends stole a lot of ideas from Rhoda.
I hate what they did to joe.
loeb95 The writers were terrible. A couple gets married and all of a sudden the writers run out of ideas of what to do with them? Nonsense. I read that the actor who played Joe had literally just bought a house right before they gave him the news that he was getting canned from the show. Poor guy. At that point, he & Rhoda were already separated but even he thought the separation was just temporary. Valerie Harper mentioned it in her book. I think the writers purposely made Joe's character seem more & more unlikeable so the audience wouldn't be upset that he was let go.
Blah blah blah
@@yolandagrady7232 I wondered if that was the case (of making his character unlikeable). First he demeans Rhoda by telling her she is dull, then he shows up with a few cheap carnations and tries to make her change her plans. Wow.
Me too
This is the first episode of Rhoda I seen and it is my favourite ❤️ and I love the episodes with Johnny venture lol
It was so much funnier at the time !
I remembered it for years & repeated the story to my children. Now when I saw it yesterday - not so much.
It was the producers who broke them up, they felt the show was better without him. I think the producers tried and succeeded to ruin the show. They are the ones who wanted her character to act that way. Even on Mary Tyler Moore show they wanted her character portrayed with a low self esteem.
One of my favorite episodes for some reason. I just love that Rhoda decides, "screw it!" and f**ks off to Paris for the weekend. I kind of wish Brenda went with her too. This episode inspires me to just do things some times. Also, I hate Joe and wish they had her single for season 1, date him for season 2, get married in season 3 and end with them happy and Brenda marrying in season 5. The divorce was just show ruining, as much as I hate Joe.
Adam P ...DO IT...;)! Just GO to ‘your Paris’, wherever and whatever it is, you won’t regret it...and IF you did, the ‘regret’of doing something that might not work out is SOOOO much less than the endless ‘what ifs’ of NOT having tried...;)
Yes. 1970 writers decision and we are all STILL mad. I hope the writers r alive and read this, lol
@Diane Newman .Sally in real life was Ben Stiller's mum(Anne Meara)
Yeah I wish Brenda went with her....
Your way would have been better👍🏻
So over Joe
The vacation to Paris was so short we didn't even see it.
😅🤣😂
I think the short scene of her walking around has been edited out.
At least that's what I remember seeing almost 50 years ago...
Best thing on Rhoda besides that awesome accent….Brenda
season 1 and 2 where good but separating joe and rhoda really killed it, this really sucks
Yes,you are right...bigggggg mistake....they potrayed him once walking the sidewalk when she dated.....then drop her and nnot go back to her...lousy writers....I could write a better script...plus the writers copy alot of scenes from mary tyler moore...me and mom had a mary tyler moore show night.long night.....then next night rhoda....I noticed it then....I loved both shows
.....PERsonally, I thought Rho was a buncha dynamite wrapped in habanero peppers ALLLL by her own self....;)!
With that moustache, Joe became Super Mario!
LOL picturing him walking into Rhoda's apartment and going
"Itsa Me! Mario!!" 😁
A needed laugh in 2020! Valerie Harper, Anne Meara, & all great. Realistic how ppl try to tell you how to be.
Dear Joe,
Either sh*t or get off the pot. If you want Rhoda back, start acting like a man. Sweep her up into your arms and apologize for your games. Don't show up at the airport with flowers but no commitment. Go to Paris with her. Be a man.
Dear writers of Rhoda,
You know this was all your fault. You created Joe as a good guy. We want to hate Joe for what he did to Rhoda, but really, it's not his fault. It's yours. Now women 40 years later are left questioning their solid relationships. Because if Joe was that capable of a 180, no one's safe.
Exactly. Joe was good until they decided to drop him and split up the couple. They couldn’t have us blaming Rhoda, so they turned Joe into a creep and he got all the blame. The poor actor not only lost a job but apparently the public was harsh to him, confusing the actor with the character.
Dear Rhoda,
Stop being a bitch. You want a husband but you want to play career woman too. You think being a feminist makes you Wonder Woman but it makes you a jerk. You want Joe back then treat him nice, stop bitching about everything, stop sharing your damn feelings about every issue.
You need to tell your family to get the hell out of your house . Your insecurities are old news and they bore everyone ! Be a wife not a feminist bitch
@@Shamonwhitehurst252 Right on !
Also - I am sure the husband would prefer Rhoda's relatives staying out of their home.
@@Shamonwhitehurst252 Threatened much by certain kinds of women?
I agree. I don't think it was in Joe's character to suddenly act like such a jerk... except the writers sadly decided to write him that way at that point.
I so tried to like this show when it aired but found it kinda depressing! And after all these years.... I still find it depressing! So much complaining and Focusing on the negative. Oh well will always love Valerie Harper!!!!!
Elaine Nardo and Tony Banta: characters from "Taxi" another James L. Brooks production that must have been named after the story editors of "Rhoda." Just noticed it in the ending credits.
oooh and originally Phyllis was supposed to be Marna lindstrom. Well, That name was used in the Lou Grant series as a witness or sorce for a Newspaper story.
I also love the name Charlotte Brown! I got a laugh out of that!
Back when you had to carry the entire phone.
Brenda/Julie Kavner looks like Carrie Fisher here.
I didn't like how much cast changes there was on this show over its run. Always coming and going.
It sucked when Rhoda and joe Broke up and Joe didn’t wanna get back together
Poor Brenda. Little Bo Peep lol
Joe's last appearance on the show.....
dm9542 no, he comes back when they see each other on and off when he grew mustache
Women’s bodies were natural on TV back then.
12:40 great idea!
THIS is the episode that I remember. Rhoda goes "to Paris----for the weekend!!! "Lets see if I'm right...…. ( course the title is a hint...BUT for the weekend ) 14:42 Yup!
I’ll go....I’ll go.... love Paris....
Well my question is why did the writers change the whole Rhoda storyline from pilot. They went back to her lifestyle with MTM. And actually watching this series years later, the characters are so negative especially about themselves. I lost interest once Joe was written out. It was great seeing Rhoda move happily forward then the writers did a 360. The character Rhoda deserved to be happy & fulfilled. 😮
Valeria Harper and Julie Kavner made a hell of a Team. You could take them for sisters.
Harold Gould
Nancy walker
Juliekravner
David white
Vivian vance
And Charlotte brown convinced the producers to drop david groh shame on you
I love mustaches but it doesn't look good on Joe. He has a handsome face without covering it.
How ironic. Julie Kavner had never worked or even met him at this point. But, a decade later would appear in quite a few projects by Woody Allen. He called her a natural comedian. Who would've thought, huh?
OMG, my mother always told me: “Don’t ever make a man tell you twice that he doesn’t want you”. Joe has been continually telling Rhoda this for so long. Jeez, she calls him and wakes him up to ask him why he doesn’t want a relationship w her?! Episodes like this with this mindset is why women get so pathetic and learn so slowly - to never make a man tell you twice he doesn’t want you.
In a committed relationship - a marriage, especially - I don't know many people who take a one time "I don't want you" to be the final word. There is too much at stake. I've seen marriages go through some rough patches where one spouse said they wanted out, but they were eventually able to work it out and stayed together. Your mom's advice would mean the end of a lot of marriages that might otherwise be saved.
@@lisalu910 I agree. It's not like they were just casually dating. Then that would be different. But she married him and loved him, and she assumed he still loved her... so of course you would want to try for at least a few months to work it out. I wish I had tried harder to save my marriage. Maybe we could have gotten through the rough patch and still been together... who knows. But if I had any advice to give to anyone who is married (based on my own experience and regrets) is do everything you can to save a marriage... before you walk away from each other forever. I mean, unless there is verbal or physical abuse... or infidelities. But if you are simply having some regular kind of issues, don't just give up so easily. Even if one side seems like they want that (and I guess I came across that way in my own marriage), you should try to do everything you can, so that at least you can walk away knowing you tried your best. So many marriages call it quits too easily. And mine was a perfect example of that. It's the only regret I have ever had in my life. And it's something you never truly get over.
Did anybody else hate it when that intercom would ring and Carlton would say, "Hello this is Carlton your doorman"?
It was a scene killer...augggh!
no. I love it.
Anybody remember scenes in this episode of her strolling around Paris?
Mary HAD to outshine Rhoda. It was impossible. That's why Rhoda got her own show
Brenda comes back from a wedding wearing blue and white as a bridesmaid ! going to paris ! thanks
So many people in this episode is no longer living. Harper, Silver, and Meara
Lorenzo Music, too.
I didn't like Rhoda being married, but I hate that they did that to Rhoda. Makes the audience feel hurt by Joe too.
I wish I could do that! Just decide to hop a plane to Paris, and actually be able to do it. I'm with Brenda though... I wouldn't want to spend all that money just for a couple days. That would be like a tease, torture.. It would probably be better to not go at all than to just go for the weekend.. It would just leave you wanting more.
Emily Edwards I get what you're saying but I'd rather get a taste of Paris (or London, or wherever) than not see it at all. Besides, getting a glimpse would maybe inspire you to save for a real trip of a couple of weeks duration. I've been to Paris and would LOVE to go back. Same with London. Now, if I could only get to St. Petersburg (Russia, not Florida).
Melanie Hamilton that's right :)
How did she pass away? I don't keep a connection to this stuff
Joe should have gone to Paris with her.
I like pina coladas and gettin caught in the rain.
Love show 🎉5/12/2024
4:03 Mary Tyler Moore Show reference
Rhoda was never dull! Joe was the dull one! She is a vivacious, fun, and always the most interesting woman you could ever meet! Rhoda, picked another loser and married him, poor choice as far as the writers are concerned. When he showed up at the airport with flowers for her, that was so ridiculous. He walks out on her and then comes in like gangbusters and is jealous because she is going to Paris and he tries to make her feel guilty because she may meet other men. Get over it Joe, while you are seeing other women!!! LOL!! I can't understand why she has to prove to him and validate her behavior to him. She never did it om the MTM show. Rhoda was Rhoda and that was it!!
Rhoda gave in too fast and too easily to Joe. She didn’t make him work for her. There was not thrill of the chase. Maybe that’s why he found her dull. But in general the writers could have done a better job with the character of Joe. Would have moved to see David Groh stay.
That dress may be out of place, but Brenda makes it look good.
Soon-Yi was only 5 when this episode was made.
Mia Farrow married Frank Sinatra when he was 50 and she was 19, same deal as Soon-Yi and Woody Allen. He wasn't her father, barely saw her while she was growing up (she was Andre Previn's daughter) till she was in her late teens. Get over it!
I was practically 5 too then,,Who cares
Weddings are rituals.
Flying to Paris would not get me out of a rut, if I were in one. I'd worry about the expense. Good grief, I never knew anyone who lived the life of Frank Buck. Joe looks horrid with a mustache. Some men simply don't look good with one.
He loved her🙏😢💜
Brenda is too old for Woody.
If you know what I mean.